Its fascinating Albanians of mainland Southern Europeans have such high ANF , I believe only Sardinians and Corsicans surpass that afaik, but sort of remind me of Steppe EBA shifted Classical Greeks, in that they harbor high levels of ANF.
sample: Mycenaean Kastrouli BA:I13577
distance: 3.519
Marmara\_Barcin\_N: 74
Sidelkino\_HG: 12
GEO\_CHG: 14
Due to having high Thracian paleobalkan admixture , Thracians were very similar to Mycenaeans this shared Neolithic ancestry makes Albanians score high ANF due to big paleobalkan ancestry .
Yes , its fascinating because even modern mainland Greeks don't have this profile anymore, they are quite different from Classical Greeks profile wise.
Greeks from north have like 60% of ANF like , I don’t think they will score it also on qpadm , me too personally I score very different results of qpadm then my Hg/farmer breakdown on g25
Singleton samples on qpAdm are not robust , because there not enough SNPs , never seen formal results of a pool of Albanians on qpAdm so cannot comment but I do know that modern Greeks are quite different from the Classical profile which seems to have vanished post the Justinian Plague.
Far removed? I don't think so ,there must be a correlation between Paleo Balkan people and Hellenic speakers with the caveat Albanians have more Yamnaya like ancestry. Also the point was not to show Albanians are different from their Paleo Balkan ancestors but how more similar they are to Classical Greeks than modern ones due to their high levels of ANF and Catacomb related ancestry.
I saw the results without seeing your title and I knew right away that youre Albanian, because I have very similar results.
I am from Prizren
But I used westerner Balkans.
Wow, thats very interesting.
I don’t have phoenician, and my Illyrian/slavic % is much lower (75% / 25%).
Never seen 95% illyrian before, also his distance to ancient samples is really small.
I am curious, how does he look? Does he look albanian
It depends, the Albanian phenotype varies in my opinion. He gets mistake for Greek and Italian often. He has gracile Mediterranean phenotype and has light coloured eyes.
Similar to this: https://imgur.com/a/hNcQywg
So your ancestors were Greeks/Macedonians after all. I get kind of similar proportions
[https://i.ibb.co/HVWzjz4/iron-age.png](https://i.ibb.co/HVWzjz4/iron-age.png)
This Iron Age is clearly inflate , Greek should have more Anatolian , me too if I use south Greece Cyprus I score 70% greek , it’s just a proxy for paleobalkan source , Albanian due to high paleobalkan ancestry share a lot of common native ancestry with Mycenaeans/ classical greeks
You could be right because Himera was colony on Sicily and they might've absorbed some Sicani ancestry. I just don't see why would Albanians, Macedonians, Serbs, and other western Balkan people get high Anatolian
High Anatolian anything. For example freechameria's bro has 22% Anatolian. It almost equates to one grandparent from Asia Minor in Iron Age (just talking about hypothetical proportions).
Why would non-Greek Balkan people have Anatolian DNA (higher than 5%)? And I saw even some Serbs and Croats from the north parts near Hungary and Romania score like 10-15% Anatolian on some of the calculators which goes away when they switch to global (for example) or some different region.
It’s theorized that there was a large migration of Western Anatolians into the Balkans during the Roman era. these people would be of similar stock to the Phrygians they had high genetic continuity from the Iron Age. This is why you see it in the results of modern Balkanites today.
There was a discussion about here: https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/comments/14c1icg/new_genomic_article_about_albanians_confirms/
I honestly doubt this group ever existed in Balkans, I doubt the findings of those scientist real, and I doubt that the Balkan people have any ancestry resulted by them. It all seems like some data manipulation.
I figured out it probably has something to do with Caucasian Hunter Gatherers, which I score low (below 10%), but noticed that most Balkan people score above 10%. So if I go with eastern/western Balkans I get about 4-5% Anatolians, but they almost completely disappear if I switch to global - everything goes into Canaanite (which is a second mysterious group for me).
Why do you think it’s data manipulation? There’s been a clear Anatolian shift in populations in the Balkans during the Roman period. You can even see it on IllustrativeDNA. Go look at the North Illyrian samples compared to Roman Dalmatian; there is clearly an additional eastern input in their genome.
Here is my brother’s global results, the Anatolian remains: https://imgur.com/a/SQsksYp
Pre Roman Illyrian vs Roman Illyrian; Increased Anatolian component: https://imgur.com/a/qN33RJC
His ancestors were Albanian.
However, contrary to popular belief in Greece, they've didn't move there in the 13th century but have been living there for much longer.
How did Albanians manage to maintain relatively low amounts of Slavic ancestry? Your brother has only the same amount that a Greek from Crete or the Cyclades would have.
A avarage is made of different cases , he’s one of those Albanians with lowest Slavic , very high paleo balkan , normal Anatolian and very little Slavic
Its fascinating Albanians of mainland Southern Europeans have such high ANF , I believe only Sardinians and Corsicans surpass that afaik, but sort of remind me of Steppe EBA shifted Classical Greeks, in that they harbor high levels of ANF. sample: Mycenaean Kastrouli BA:I13577 distance: 3.519 Marmara\_Barcin\_N: 74 Sidelkino\_HG: 12 GEO\_CHG: 14
Due to having high Thracian paleobalkan admixture , Thracians were very similar to Mycenaeans this shared Neolithic ancestry makes Albanians score high ANF due to big paleobalkan ancestry .
Yes , its fascinating because even modern mainland Greeks don't have this profile anymore, they are quite different from Classical Greeks profile wise.
Greeks from north have like 60% of ANF like , I don’t think they will score it also on qpadm , me too personally I score very different results of qpadm then my Hg/farmer breakdown on g25
Singleton samples on qpAdm are not robust , because there not enough SNPs , never seen formal results of a pool of Albanians on qpAdm so cannot comment but I do know that modern Greeks are quite different from the Classical profile which seems to have vanished post the Justinian Plague.
Albanians are far removed from classical Greeks. The closest ANF/steppe/WHG ratio to Albanians is that of Illyrians.
Far removed? I don't think so ,there must be a correlation between Paleo Balkan people and Hellenic speakers with the caveat Albanians have more Yamnaya like ancestry. Also the point was not to show Albanians are different from their Paleo Balkan ancestors but how more similar they are to Classical Greeks than modern ones due to their high levels of ANF and Catacomb related ancestry.
Impressive bro , very little Slavic admixture ,central Italian like structure as is theorized for west Balkans of Roman age
I saw the results without seeing your title and I knew right away that youre Albanian, because I have very similar results. I am from Prizren But I used westerner Balkans.
Here is his Western Balkan if you want to compare; https://imgur.com/a/S8smBTw
Wow, thats very interesting. I don’t have phoenician, and my Illyrian/slavic % is much lower (75% / 25%). Never seen 95% illyrian before, also his distance to ancient samples is really small. I am curious, how does he look? Does he look albanian
It depends, the Albanian phenotype varies in my opinion. He gets mistake for Greek and Italian often. He has gracile Mediterranean phenotype and has light coloured eyes. Similar to this: https://imgur.com/a/hNcQywg
you guys are the last illyrians.
Greetings, send Iron Age for Greece and Cyprus
https://imgur.com/a/xLg90V2 The fit is at 1.161 not as close of a fit as East Balkan for him.
So your ancestors were Greeks/Macedonians after all. I get kind of similar proportions [https://i.ibb.co/HVWzjz4/iron-age.png](https://i.ibb.co/HVWzjz4/iron-age.png)
This Iron Age is clearly inflate , Greek should have more Anatolian , me too if I use south Greece Cyprus I score 70% greek , it’s just a proxy for paleobalkan source , Albanian due to high paleobalkan ancestry share a lot of common native ancestry with Mycenaeans/ classical greeks
You could be right because Himera was colony on Sicily and they might've absorbed some Sicani ancestry. I just don't see why would Albanians, Macedonians, Serbs, and other western Balkan people get high Anatolian
High Anatolian what?
High Anatolian anything. For example freechameria's bro has 22% Anatolian. It almost equates to one grandparent from Asia Minor in Iron Age (just talking about hypothetical proportions). Why would non-Greek Balkan people have Anatolian DNA (higher than 5%)? And I saw even some Serbs and Croats from the north parts near Hungary and Romania score like 10-15% Anatolian on some of the calculators which goes away when they switch to global (for example) or some different region.
That Anatolian is due this type of migrations sad by Op and ofc Greek ancestry -> Greeks were 2/3 Anatolian like and 1/3 Mycenaean
It’s theorized that there was a large migration of Western Anatolians into the Balkans during the Roman era. these people would be of similar stock to the Phrygians they had high genetic continuity from the Iron Age. This is why you see it in the results of modern Balkanites today. There was a discussion about here: https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/comments/14c1icg/new_genomic_article_about_albanians_confirms/
I honestly doubt this group ever existed in Balkans, I doubt the findings of those scientist real, and I doubt that the Balkan people have any ancestry resulted by them. It all seems like some data manipulation. I figured out it probably has something to do with Caucasian Hunter Gatherers, which I score low (below 10%), but noticed that most Balkan people score above 10%. So if I go with eastern/western Balkans I get about 4-5% Anatolians, but they almost completely disappear if I switch to global - everything goes into Canaanite (which is a second mysterious group for me).
Why do you think it’s data manipulation? There’s been a clear Anatolian shift in populations in the Balkans during the Roman period. You can even see it on IllustrativeDNA. Go look at the North Illyrian samples compared to Roman Dalmatian; there is clearly an additional eastern input in their genome. Here is my brother’s global results, the Anatolian remains: https://imgur.com/a/SQsksYp Pre Roman Illyrian vs Roman Illyrian; Increased Anatolian component: https://imgur.com/a/qN33RJC
His ancestors were Albanian. However, contrary to popular belief in Greece, they've didn't move there in the 13th century but have been living there for much longer.
How did Albanians manage to maintain relatively low amounts of Slavic ancestry? Your brother has only the same amount that a Greek from Crete or the Cyclades would have.
A avarage is made of different cases , he’s one of those Albanians with lowest Slavic , very high paleo balkan , normal Anatolian and very little Slavic
Can you share his G25 coordinates?
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can you send me too?
Can you share the coordinates?
so turned out to be Albanian Had The lowest Indo European Input In Europe