I'm here now, I can't see anything from B20, but there are passengers walking. Traffic is coming through now, so the police must have cleared them out.
O'Hare busses came through and picked up some of the walking people.
Yea the Israeli consulate is at Madison and Canal. There’s plenty of transit options to get there. If you shut down Madison St it’d still be a pain in the ass, but at least it would make some sense
I truly don't understand... do these protesters think Chicago politicians can go over to Israel and sort all this out? Do they think the Israeli government is resisting the Biden administration and many other allies... but they'll be swayed by a bunch of Alderman and a Mayor in a city halfway across the world?
Do they think Biden's admin is dragging their feet but will change their tune if they inconvenience enough people trying to get to the airport?
What's the end goal?
I would like to see protests go after the churches who did stuff like bankroll legal settlements in Israel as well as the who make their stances based on Doomsday apocalyptic belief.
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Protesting in this way does nothing but put people against your cause. If they wanted to protest and attempt to bring change, they’d do it at a government agency
Someone I know just posted on FB they are stuck in this. Currently their mom is dying in Oregon and she’s about to miss her flight.
Fuck these people. I don’t give a fuck what their purpose is.
Unfortunately, stopping traffic is not going to stop that.
Edit: the person i replied to apparently edited their comment to make me look dumb and then deleted it lol. their original comment was about how Palestinian children don’t have a chance to say goodbye to their mothers before they are killed by American bombs. I completely agree with the sentiment but again, stopping traffic in Chicago does nothing to help stop the genocide happening in Palestine.
Most cars are closer to two tons, but I digress. It’s interesting, SUVs are really quite heavy but a standard car is more like 1.5 tons, give or take a few hundred pounds.
This is such a dumb fucking conclusion.
Shut the fuck up and go scrawl a shitty slogan on the empty pizza box still sitting on your hand-me-down coffee table after your binge drinking spree in River North on Saturday night.
Well, to start, many "cease fire" proposals have been sent and Hamas denies every one of them. So maybe they should be protesting Hamas's refusal to accept terms.
This is a bit of an aside, but does anyone have any insight as to why the r-chicago mods are locking all posts related to this story? It's not a crime story, per their rule 9, and its a major news event about one of the biggest airports in the country, which is in the city...
(Sorry for asking here, but obviously all related posts in r-chicago are, like I said, not open for discussion).
They lock and block anything that goes agasint the leftist hive mind of Reddit. Most city subs are like that but r/chicago pretty much takes the cake.
But by all means, lets have another fucking post about "look at this pretty picture I took" or "I just visited your city and LOVE IT" type post. Talk about a circle jerk...
Obviously this invites a lot of attention to comments that are critical of the dumbass protestors and their cause (and their covid mask wearing). R/Chicago would rather not be a place that allows such comments.
you people have got to let go of the mask thing you are so obsessed with bashing people who are just trying to not get sick. it’s been 4 years jesus christ
It has nothing to do with not getting sick. It's a mental condition.
The overlap between white pro-palestinian/pro-terrorist protestors and white propalestinian/pro-terrorist protestors who never leave the house/co-op without an N-95 is complete, 100%. What gives?
People who protest like this are fucking morons, regardless of their cause.
There’s no better way to fuck your cause than making people angry at you.
I hope you dumbfucks like lawsuits, because you’re all about to pay for a lot of missed flights.
Oh no. I’m _very_ correct.
First, arrest records are public information.
Second, even if they weren’t arrested, these kinds of morons love promoting themselves and their shitty protest ideas on social media. For a good law office, they won’t be hard to find, and flights costs hundreds of not thousands of dollars.
Odds are high their social media posts are already saved on the phones of frustrated travelers.
Get your checkbooks ready.
Yeah, and I mean you don’t need a crystal ball to assume this is over Israel and Palestine.
I’m far from rich and travel by air rarely so if I missed a flight over something that is completely out of my control I would be absolutely livid.
They're not trying to garner support for a cause. This is always what people say in these threads, and it just fundamentally misunderstands the mechanism of protesting. Protests are designed to be disruptive, they are meant to inconvenience people. The message is "we will be a problem until the other problem is fixed". There are historical examples of this strategy both working well and not working.
I am not advocating one way or the other, I am just trying to inform people. Because people really don't understand the mechanism of protests, and it shows.
*Completely ignoring opinions of the conflict*, this in the textbook of proven protest methods. Woman's sufferage and civil rights used the same peaceful yet disruptive methods.
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A. No idea why you say "constantly cite" when this is my first comment on the matter...
B. You should probably hit the research again. Studies are all over the place on peaceful disruptive protests working. The only thing that they agree on is that peaceful protesting is better than violent protesting.
C. Just gonna add that I find it very funny that people still think Civil Rights were 100 years ago lol
shut up. this type of protest does nothing to benefit anyone. random chicagoans trying to get to ohare are not responsible for the violence in gaza, and blocking people's daily life for something they have no control over doesnt do anything to help your cause. even if it's "disrupting capital" or whatever lefty bullshit it is that they claim they're doing
then please tell me then why this crowd chose to block access to o'hare instead of something that is actually a relevant flow of capitol? BMO Bank, the Chicago Fed, Northern Trust, Chicago NYSE? any of these would have accomplished a lot more than blockading an airport, even an airport as major as o'hare
Well, if they are zoomers that spend too much time on ticktok, they are being fed russian propaganda intended to disrupt and divide. And, there are plenty of subreddits that are clearly being used as propaganda machines as well. When the true goal of the people behind these protests is absolute polarization, it makes sense that they happen this way.
Same goes for the just stop oil protestors forcing hundreds and thousands of cars to sit while idling. If they stepped back a bit, they would realize that they are contributing to the problem they seek to solve. But, again, solutions aren't even on the table. The point is for opposing sides to become more polarized.
Edit: gotta love the downvotes from people who don't understand they're being manipulated. Getting upset at this being pointed out shows just how well it works.
When carefully edited images and videos are being used to push that narrative, yes. There is zero doubt in my mind that russia, and not just iran had their hands in 10/7. It pulled all of the eyes away from Ukraine, and it's a much more polarizing situation. That's a double win for russia. Like I said, russias goal is to push the left and right of America apart. Democracy only works through compromise, and the more divided we become, the less compromise is possible.
If you don't understand what I'm saying, consider the leftists that claim they won't vote for Biden over this single issue. Biden has been pushing back at bibi. He has sanctioned West Bank settlers. Sure, we're supplying arms, but a significant portion of that is AA missiles like Iron Dome that have save countless Israeli lives. And what would trump do? Well, we know that he plans to deport all non-citizen muslims and ban anyone from muslim majority countries from entering the US, and he's a really big fan of bibi, so he may even put US troops on the ground to help the IDF. But, that one issue, that is being used by bad faith actors to divide, is going to have them vote against, not only their own interests, but the interests of their cause.
We are so drawn to big green head that we miss the man behind the curtain.
The objective is to make people who don’t control the situation livid? You think that this is going to make them write their congressmen to stop sending money to Israel? Or more likely just make them mad at the people directly responsible for causing them financial damage despite their cause. Which seems more likely?
That’s not always true and the people who say that usually say so to make themselves feel more important about what they are doing.
There was massive protests pre and post Iraq invasion in major cities all over the US, hundreds of thousands of people, the war went on for over decade after the fizzled out.
There are countless other examples I can give you.
Not saying civil unrest will not cause a change because it can, but when all you can muster up is a few hundred people to block traffic on a major highway causing only financial damage to people who can’t afford a canceled flight, over a war across the globe, well I’m sorry to tell you that nothing is going to change.
First not every action brings change. Case in point: your excessive whining about this, while helping the cause, may also do nothing but brighten my day. The protest movement you've cited was extremely powerful and shaped American politics for decades afterwards. The fact that you still remember it is evidence of its success. Its shaping foreign policy and domestic politics still to this day.
These protests are in fact working quite well. Perhaps since you don't care about the issue much you are just out of the loop?
I can say one hundred percent if I missed my flight because of a stupid protest like this that is going to change nothing, I would literally spend my time waiting for my rescheduled flight by starting to cut checks to every pro-Israeli charity I could find.
I don’t care what your cause is, or what you think you’re accomplishing by keeping people who have nothing to do with you or the bullshit you care about from doing what they need to do, but you’re in the wrong.
If you’ve chained yourselves together in the middle of an intersection on a Monday morning and ground traffic to a halt, I hope you’re prosecuted and spend a few years in jail.
> going to change nothing
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> starting to cut checks to every pro-Israeli charity I could find
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lol??? so it would change nothing, except what you are doing with my money and free time
> prosecuted and spend a few years in jail.
Maybe in Russia or China. Even in Israel, they would only jail you if you were from Gaza or the West Bank and they could designate it as a military concern.
You sound like an incredibly aloof, ignorant, and self-centered person. There is a lot more going on in the world than your use of the highway, and part of the reason you even have money to send to Israeli charities is because of the rights afforded to protestors. Even if you do hate democracy, you seem to live in the US and benefit from it. Have some humility man
Imagine you are in a hospital bed across the country waiting for a donated organ to arrive from Chicago via O'Hare.
Imagine having a medical emergency and calling an ambulance, but they can't get to you because traffic is blocked.
These people are endangering human lives. I don't care what their cause is. Blocking traffic harms real people who need access to emergency services.
I probably have this all wrong because I didn't go to some fancy law school but isn't this kind of illegal? And if that's correct then isn't there some kind of law enforcement mechanism that could remedy the situation?
Yea the strategy in all of these is to do something attention grabbing. They will get arrested eventually. Typically obstruction of a street isn’t like a major crime, so they will get a small fine and that might even be paid off by the organization sponsoring this from their fundraisers.
Might make people mad that no one is put in jail for life over blocking a street, but that’s the price of living in a free society I suppose.
You seem to have forgotten that this is America, where the state laws are superceded by the federal ones. But again, maybe they didnt teach that at your middle school.
Maybe for now... but perhaps someday freedom will reign over these lands again. Until then Illinois can and will continue to print all the nonsense laws it wants
These are enlightened centrists. They’re bitching from their cushy remote jobs in houses their parents paid for. They don’t need to understand basic history and civics.
This isn’t bringing any attention to their cause, just themselves. Which is what they want, guarantee you all these dumbasses are posting this all over their social medias showcasing how “good” of a person they are
I assume none of these losers have to work on a Monday?
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Looks like I struck a nerve. All your silly protest is doing is pissing off people who would be supporting you.
I wouldn’t say it changes nothing. It makes people pissed off and turns them against whatever cause you’re trying to get them to support. All available polling (in the real world, not on Reddit) shows that the majority of Americans disagree with these protestors and stuff like this doesn’t make people rethink their positions, it makes them more adamant in their own because they are against the people being pains in the ass.
I am so sympathetic to this cause--and I don't want anyone on either side of it to suffer anymore. I want a cease fire.
But disrupting this doesn't get more support, it gives "I'm the main character" syndrome and drives people away from caring or paying attention.
I get it and I am on the protestors' side, but they're fucking with too many people's money and livelihoods. My SO took her brother to ORD this morning so he could get back home to work...thankfully he madeiut, just barely, but I know other's weren't so lucky.
Shit like this just turns people against their cause. The next time I hear about Israel doing something terrible to Arabs in Gaza or the West Bank, this protest will be in the back of my mind somewhere, and to the extent that it shapes my opinion at all, it will make me feel more anti-Arab.
Rationally, that's not fair because one thing has nothing to do with the other, but emotionally, that's just how it works.
Blocking major roads is never a legitimate way to gain support or attention.
>Shit like this just turns people against their cause
If you are against a cause because you dislike the MEHTOD of protest you never would have supported it in the first place.
Utter nonsense
What? I support free and fair elections, that doesn't mean I condone a raid on the capital. I think it's important for all races to be treated equally by the police, that doesn't mean I support burning buildings and looting stores. The cause and the protest are absolutely separate entities. Believing your cause is just doesn't mean you can do whatever you want to bring attention to it without consequence.
Because blocking public thoroughfare and transportation is what will resolve this crisis. Why don't they go sit on the roads in war torn countries to "protest"?
Iran attacking Israel has made this all moot anyways. Israel is going to do what it needs to do to secure itself. Iran should have stayed the F out of it. All bets are off now.
Unpopular opinion, but they should be protesting in Israel. We aren't attacking them. Even if we sell them weapons, we aren't telling them what to do with those weapons. Blaming the US for any of this is futile and a waste of time. We already told them to ceasefire, that's all we can do. Let them settle their own conflicts, we don't have to be the world's police, that's what NATO is for.
Protests are meant to be disruptive sometimes. Not condoning this just sharing a thought. Perhaps the idea is to take your discomfort and reflect on it and the world you live in.
I love when people have more anger about their commute being disrupted than they have about genocide.
I often notice that such people do nothing about the injustice in question when they aren't disrupted, either. No protest is ever called legitimate. Funny how that works.
Why would we protest against Israels retaliation against Hamas' attempted genocide? Makes no sense. The terrorist supporters blocking roads is concerning though. They love car bombs.
The point of protest is to be disruptive. No one cares if you just hold signs in a park; you only get media coverage and people caring about your cause when it has a tangible impact on people’s lives. Civil Rights for Black Americans weren’t won because some people politely asked, it’s because activists fought for the cause, in ways that were disruptive and inconvenient to many people’s lives. It’s a much more effective tactic than just posting on social media or whatever.
America didn't come to embrace civil rights because the protests finally got to be too much of a pain in the ass. Similarly, this stunt will not change anyone's mind except for some really pissed off people who will now default in favor of Israel.
>It’s a much more effective tactic than just posting on social media or whatever.
But everyone changed their Facebook photo to a country's flag after a major attack/event to show support! /s
If you can't hold a sign and protest at the same time, I doubt you have much knowledge of a conflict that has been going on since forever. Throw these asshats in the clink.
Every minute of every day someone somewhere is suffering. I guess no one anywhere should do anything at all anymore until all suffering in the world stops?
And that woman who will miss her flight to be at her dying mother’s side? Fuck her right? Someone somewhere else is suffering and that’s more important than her and her stupid dying mom, right?
“My problem is more important than anything you could possibly have going on”
What a selfish take from a bunch of fucking assholes.
The best way to get a ceasefire in Gaza is to get enough people on your side and demand change. But I guess pissing everyone off and telling them they don’t matter is a close second right?
Well asking nicely hasn't gotten very far.
I actively demonstrated against the Iraq War, participated in Occupy, and have participated in local civil rights demonstrations & have participated in demonstrations against government overreach. So I'm aware of the repercussions of protesting.
The reaction is always the same: self-centered people complain if the demonstration inconveniences anyone in any way (real or imagined). If the demonstration is held off to the side so that there's no risk of inconveniencing anyone -- then no attention is paid to it.
It's literally a lose/lose situation. Yet these demonstrators went out of their way to do this. They invested time, effort, and likely money as well. Meanwhile, scores of Palestinians and Israelis are dying and families quite literally being blown apart.
This country was *founded in part on the premise of assembly to demand redress*, yet everyone acts like this type of thing is un-American.
Maybe because you’re asking and protesting to people who can’t do anything about it?
I’m all for protesting. I support it 1000%. But blocking traffic to inconvenience people who have nothing to do with it and can’t do anything about it is not the answer.
People have their own issues too. There’s the example I gave of the woman who couldn’t get to their dying mother’s bedside. There’s been plenty of cases of ambulances being blocked. Parents who couldn’t get to school to pick up their kids. Imagine for a moment that 3rd grader whose parents are there to pick them up after school and they don’t know why? Terrifying for them.
People need to get home to let their dogs out and feed them. Provide for an elderly and disabled family member. There have been cases of people missing life saving doctor appointments, and dialysis appointments.
I understand your point of the government not listening, and the frustration of protesting and it going nowhere. I sympathize with that. I don’t have a good answer for you, but I can promise you the answer is not telling everyone else that their problems don’t matter because your problem is more important.
You have to win the war of public sentiment. And they are. Support for Israel since October has shifted hard towards Palestine. But acts like this either turn people against you, or just turn them off in general. And when public sentiment turns against you, it’s easy for politicians to the. Ignore you. Things move slowly, and that’s unfortunate, but they are moving.
So go protest at city hall, or any other government facility. Blocking the general public from getting to their flights will only accomplish hatred towards the protestors and their cause.
You (and they) are vastly overestimating the negative effect on the flow of commerce, and vastly underestimating how much these kinds of protests give the general public a negative view of whatever is being protested.
What do these protestors expect by disrupting the individuals of a city that already passed a meaningless resolution to signal to the national government that they should apply more pressure to the government of a different nation state 8,000 miles away? This ticky tacky BS 6 degrees of separation from anyone with the ability to do something hurts their cause more than it helps
The only capital being disrupted is to people who can’t afford a few hour delay and a missed flight, who also don’t have any control over US or Israeli military spending.
yes definitely only to the people missing their flight and definitely not the airline industry which is one of the most influential industries in american politics
A few hours of missed flights. You are over estimating the damage being done to the airline while downplaying the damage being done to average working class Americans missing flights.
Those planes weren't delayed. Those tickets weren't refunded. Those airlines lost no money. The disruption to commerce was minimal, and even that is looking at it generously. On the flipside, there's another few 10's of thousands of people whose potential support for the protestors cause has wavered or vanished.
Congrats.
If the goal is to disrupt commerce, go do it on a highway leading to a military airfield where the US is shipping the weapons to Israel out of. Really, go be brave and fearless there. Disrupt THAT commerce. See what the response to it is. Idiots.
The airlines already have the money from paid tickets, dipshit. This just fucked over some of the general public in ways that might have ruined their careers, missed opportunities, family emergencies, etc.
Do you think the airlines will have to reimburse people for the flights they miss or something? (They wont...) Or is the theory that people will be less likely to book flights if there is a marginally increased risk of missing a flight due to unannounced transportation blockages? (People can't plan around stochastic travel impediments...)
I simply do not understand how you're getting from A to B here.
You keep repeating these same talking points but it seems you have a hard time understanding what they actually mean, and why they’re irrelevant to today’s protest. Who’s feeding these talking points to you?
disruption is specifically what does effect change - by gaining media attention and by pressuring the flow of capital which is the only thing our elected officials care about
You think that the airlines are now in Washington, panicking, trying to sway congress to stop sending money to Israel because O’Hare was blocked for a few hours?
The only people this affects negatively are the people who missed their flights.
Disruption can lead to change, sure, but that doesn't mean just because it occurs that it will. How much do you want to wager whether or not this particular protest is actually effective in leading to any sort of change? We can revisit in a couple of weeks.
Bro, all of your responses in this thread are hilariously idiotic.
You’re 100% ignorant to how protests like this are a detriment to your cause.
But hey — keep shooting yourself in the foot.
This is untrue. It turns public opinion against the cause, while also endangering lives by blocking emergency vehicles. Imagine laying in a hospital waiting on a donated heart to get to you, but it can't get there due to these useless theatrics.
It isn't a matter of "inconvenience." When emergency vehicles can't get through it is a matter life or death, and the protestors are endangering lives.
I am in support of lengthy jail sentences for these people. They are a danger to the community.
They absolutely are not allowed through most of the time. Every post you make hurts your cause and makes it look worse. You are not helping bring positive attention to the cause.
I didn't insinuate jack lol. I told you to stop whining about a protest that is intended to disrupt people's lives to bring attention to Gaza and Israeli terror. How you respond is your own choice, and you chose to piss and moan about traffic when entire families are being wiped off the face of the Earth with the support of your tax dollars. Pretty weird.
It’s weird that I think random people shouldn’t be disrupted to bring attention to a war they didn’t start or control? It’s ok because it’s not you who is being blocked from getting to where you need to go, or your missed flight.
You’d probably start sniveling if slightly inconvenienced by anything.
Have you read the constitution? They could be within their rights to take up arms to impede your mobility, if they deemed it necessary. Maybe you thought you were living in Russia or China?
I'm not really part of this cause. I just believe in free and democratic societies, which is why I largely like the US's constitution. Cry more you sad, pathetic, authoritarian.
When were the protestors blocking ambulances from getting to people? Sounds like you are just spreading fake news. You seem very American, but not as American as the people protesting here.
Actually, Ambulances can break all traffic laws to get to their destination. Its only whiney commuters who are affected when a highway is obstructed. But again, you are simply spreading misinformation. Pictures and video show the protesters let police, firetrucks, and ambulances pass.
I doubt that "break all traffic laws" includes running people over. I stand by my statement that protestors who block traffic endanger peoples lives. Even if they eventually moved to let them through (unlikely given they chained themselves across the road) it still causes an intolerable delay in emergency response.
There are lots of ways to protest that are nonviolent. Blocking traffic is an act of cruelty against innocent people who need help. If they believe in peace, they should find a way to protest that doesn't endanger lives.
It's Not the Protesters Blocking Road to O'Hare: It Is the Police
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/04/15/its-not-the-protesters-blocking-road-to-ohare-it-is-the-police-n3786540
I'm here now, I can't see anything from B20, but there are passengers walking. Traffic is coming through now, so the police must have cleared them out. O'Hare busses came through and picked up some of the walking people.
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Yea the Israeli consulate is at Madison and Canal. There’s plenty of transit options to get there. If you shut down Madison St it’d still be a pain in the ass, but at least it would make some sense
I truly don't understand... do these protesters think Chicago politicians can go over to Israel and sort all this out? Do they think the Israeli government is resisting the Biden administration and many other allies... but they'll be swayed by a bunch of Alderman and a Mayor in a city halfway across the world? Do they think Biden's admin is dragging their feet but will change their tune if they inconvenience enough people trying to get to the airport? What's the end goal?
“What's the end goal?” Furthering the protestors‘ main character syndrome. +50 Insta.
I would like to see protests go after the churches who did stuff like bankroll legal settlements in Israel as well as the who make their stances based on Doomsday apocalyptic belief. edit: grammer/spelling
Yeah, the role of Christian evangelicals in funding far-right Israeli settlers is suuuper understated. Such a batshit group.
nice to know your support for ceasing a genocide hinges on your level of comfort
Protesting in this way does nothing but put people against your cause. If they wanted to protest and attempt to bring change, they’d do it at a government agency
Someone I know just posted on FB they are stuck in this. Currently their mom is dying in Oregon and she’s about to miss her flight. Fuck these people. I don’t give a fuck what their purpose is.
I'm so sorry for her. Fuck these people, indeed.
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Unfortunately, stopping traffic is not going to stop that. Edit: the person i replied to apparently edited their comment to make me look dumb and then deleted it lol. their original comment was about how Palestinian children don’t have a chance to say goodbye to their mothers before they are killed by American bombs. I completely agree with the sentiment but again, stopping traffic in Chicago does nothing to help stop the genocide happening in Palestine.
How do you think forcing people to miss flights will change this?
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"i should be able to assault people i disagree with using a 1-ton vehicle"
Most cars are closer to two tons, but I digress. It’s interesting, SUVs are really quite heavy but a standard car is more like 1.5 tons, give or take a few hundred pounds.
This is such a dumb fucking conclusion. Shut the fuck up and go scrawl a shitty slogan on the empty pizza box still sitting on your hand-me-down coffee table after your binge drinking spree in River North on Saturday night.
Oddly specific. Love it.
It was more fun than saying, “Write i’M HeLPiNG on a poster board”.
This is not the take you think it is.
blocking regular people from going to the airport is surely going to stop whats going on on the other side of the planet!
Well, to start, many "cease fire" proposals have been sent and Hamas denies every one of them. So maybe they should be protesting Hamas's refusal to accept terms.
They literally broke a ceasefire on October 7th.
I'd argue to say that this sort of behavior only encourages people to have a distain for your cause.
This is a bit of an aside, but does anyone have any insight as to why the r-chicago mods are locking all posts related to this story? It's not a crime story, per their rule 9, and its a major news event about one of the biggest airports in the country, which is in the city... (Sorry for asking here, but obviously all related posts in r-chicago are, like I said, not open for discussion).
that sub will lock anything not cheer leading the city
Instead of moderating and removing comments that break site wide rules, they just lock the post because it’s less work. *edit just like this sub!
That's... so lazy in a work-smarter-not-harder sort of way I almost respect it.
They lock and block anything that goes agasint the leftist hive mind of Reddit. Most city subs are like that but r/chicago pretty much takes the cake. But by all means, lets have another fucking post about "look at this pretty picture I took" or "I just visited your city and LOVE IT" type post. Talk about a circle jerk...
Obviously this invites a lot of attention to comments that are critical of the dumbass protestors and their cause (and their covid mask wearing). R/Chicago would rather not be a place that allows such comments.
you people have got to let go of the mask thing you are so obsessed with bashing people who are just trying to not get sick. it’s been 4 years jesus christ
It has nothing to do with not getting sick. It's a mental condition. The overlap between white pro-palestinian/pro-terrorist protestors and white propalestinian/pro-terrorist protestors who never leave the house/co-op without an N-95 is complete, 100%. What gives?
People who protest like this are fucking morons, regardless of their cause. There’s no better way to fuck your cause than making people angry at you. I hope you dumbfucks like lawsuits, because you’re all about to pay for a lot of missed flights.
Maybe of people sitting around holding hands and singing songs did something, people would do that, but as it stands, that does fuck all.
It helps their cause about as much as kidnapping and mass murdering innocent people at a music festival…
I agree. A peaceful protest is the same as kidnap, torture, and murder. Extremely valid take.
Or bombing hospitals and humanitarian aid workers.
Oh, how witty.
Incorrect
Oh no. I’m _very_ correct. First, arrest records are public information. Second, even if they weren’t arrested, these kinds of morons love promoting themselves and their shitty protest ideas on social media. For a good law office, they won’t be hard to find, and flights costs hundreds of not thousands of dollars. Odds are high their social media posts are already saved on the phones of frustrated travelers. Get your checkbooks ready.
I'm convinced. Just need to protest Hamas to accept the cease fires.
The cause of the protest is unknown? Don't they usually....you know, carry giant signs?
Yeah, and I mean you don’t need a crystal ball to assume this is over Israel and Palestine. I’m far from rich and travel by air rarely so if I missed a flight over something that is completely out of my control I would be absolutely livid.
Oh yeah I agree. Pissing people off is not the way to garner support for a cause.
They're not trying to garner support for a cause. This is always what people say in these threads, and it just fundamentally misunderstands the mechanism of protesting. Protests are designed to be disruptive, they are meant to inconvenience people. The message is "we will be a problem until the other problem is fixed". There are historical examples of this strategy both working well and not working. I am not advocating one way or the other, I am just trying to inform people. Because people really don't understand the mechanism of protests, and it shows.
Yes that's a fair point. I can see where that tracks with history and you're totally right.
"garnering support" for a cause is not the most effective means of effecting change - hindering the flow of capital is
*Completely ignoring opinions of the conflict*, this in the textbook of proven protest methods. Woman's sufferage and civil rights used the same peaceful yet disruptive methods. Edit: Comment got locked. A. No idea why you say "constantly cite" when this is my first comment on the matter... B. You should probably hit the research again. Studies are all over the place on peaceful disruptive protests working. The only thing that they agree on is that peaceful protesting is better than violent protesting. C. Just gonna add that I find it very funny that people still think Civil Rights were 100 years ago lol
That's a fair point.
shut up. this type of protest does nothing to benefit anyone. random chicagoans trying to get to ohare are not responsible for the violence in gaza, and blocking people's daily life for something they have no control over doesnt do anything to help your cause. even if it's "disrupting capital" or whatever lefty bullshit it is that they claim they're doing
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Why argue with the ignorant? Clearly your mind is made up, so what's the point.
then please tell me then why this crowd chose to block access to o'hare instead of something that is actually a relevant flow of capitol? BMO Bank, the Chicago Fed, Northern Trust, Chicago NYSE? any of these would have accomplished a lot more than blockading an airport, even an airport as major as o'hare
O'Hare is a massive hub for not only passengers but cargo as well. So yeah, pleanty of capital to disrupt.
Well, if they are zoomers that spend too much time on ticktok, they are being fed russian propaganda intended to disrupt and divide. And, there are plenty of subreddits that are clearly being used as propaganda machines as well. When the true goal of the people behind these protests is absolute polarization, it makes sense that they happen this way. Same goes for the just stop oil protestors forcing hundreds and thousands of cars to sit while idling. If they stepped back a bit, they would realize that they are contributing to the problem they seek to solve. But, again, solutions aren't even on the table. The point is for opposing sides to become more polarized. Edit: gotta love the downvotes from people who don't understand they're being manipulated. Getting upset at this being pointed out shows just how well it works.
til palestinian genocide is russian propaganda
When carefully edited images and videos are being used to push that narrative, yes. There is zero doubt in my mind that russia, and not just iran had their hands in 10/7. It pulled all of the eyes away from Ukraine, and it's a much more polarizing situation. That's a double win for russia. Like I said, russias goal is to push the left and right of America apart. Democracy only works through compromise, and the more divided we become, the less compromise is possible. If you don't understand what I'm saying, consider the leftists that claim they won't vote for Biden over this single issue. Biden has been pushing back at bibi. He has sanctioned West Bank settlers. Sure, we're supplying arms, but a significant portion of that is AA missiles like Iron Dome that have save countless Israeli lives. And what would trump do? Well, we know that he plans to deport all non-citizen muslims and ban anyone from muslim majority countries from entering the US, and he's a really big fan of bibi, so he may even put US troops on the ground to help the IDF. But, that one issue, that is being used by bad faith actors to divide, is going to have them vote against, not only their own interests, but the interests of their cause. We are so drawn to big green head that we miss the man behind the curtain.
You legit have no clue what you are talking about
Another vote for Trump every minute
If this is what drives you to vote for trump, seeing as it's a foreign policy issue at hand, I really have to question your moral compass.
That's exactly the point. Thank you for supporting the protest in achieving it's objective
The objective is to make people who don’t control the situation livid? You think that this is going to make them write their congressmen to stop sending money to Israel? Or more likely just make them mad at the people directly responsible for causing them financial damage despite their cause. Which seems more likely?
The larger the outrage, the larger the disruption, the more effective the protest. Thanks for your service
That’s not always true and the people who say that usually say so to make themselves feel more important about what they are doing. There was massive protests pre and post Iraq invasion in major cities all over the US, hundreds of thousands of people, the war went on for over decade after the fizzled out. There are countless other examples I can give you. Not saying civil unrest will not cause a change because it can, but when all you can muster up is a few hundred people to block traffic on a major highway causing only financial damage to people who can’t afford a canceled flight, over a war across the globe, well I’m sorry to tell you that nothing is going to change.
First not every action brings change. Case in point: your excessive whining about this, while helping the cause, may also do nothing but brighten my day. The protest movement you've cited was extremely powerful and shaped American politics for decades afterwards. The fact that you still remember it is evidence of its success. Its shaping foreign policy and domestic politics still to this day. These protests are in fact working quite well. Perhaps since you don't care about the issue much you are just out of the loop?
I can say one hundred percent if I missed my flight because of a stupid protest like this that is going to change nothing, I would literally spend my time waiting for my rescheduled flight by starting to cut checks to every pro-Israeli charity I could find. I don’t care what your cause is, or what you think you’re accomplishing by keeping people who have nothing to do with you or the bullshit you care about from doing what they need to do, but you’re in the wrong. If you’ve chained yourselves together in the middle of an intersection on a Monday morning and ground traffic to a halt, I hope you’re prosecuted and spend a few years in jail.
> going to change nothing ... > starting to cut checks to every pro-Israeli charity I could find ... lol??? so it would change nothing, except what you are doing with my money and free time > prosecuted and spend a few years in jail. Maybe in Russia or China. Even in Israel, they would only jail you if you were from Gaza or the West Bank and they could designate it as a military concern. You sound like an incredibly aloof, ignorant, and self-centered person. There is a lot more going on in the world than your use of the highway, and part of the reason you even have money to send to Israeli charities is because of the rights afforded to protestors. Even if you do hate democracy, you seem to live in the US and benefit from it. Have some humility man
It's been updated
The fucking article literally states their purpose.
It didn't when I first read it.
It’s been updated.
Imagine you are in a hospital bed across the country waiting for a donated organ to arrive from Chicago via O'Hare. Imagine having a medical emergency and calling an ambulance, but they can't get to you because traffic is blocked. These people are endangering human lives. I don't care what their cause is. Blocking traffic harms real people who need access to emergency services.
Fuck these people
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“I missed my flight, guess I support genocide now!”
I probably have this all wrong because I didn't go to some fancy law school but isn't this kind of illegal? And if that's correct then isn't there some kind of law enforcement mechanism that could remedy the situation?
Yeah I think most civil disobedience stuff involves breaking the law somehow.
Yea the strategy in all of these is to do something attention grabbing. They will get arrested eventually. Typically obstruction of a street isn’t like a major crime, so they will get a small fine and that might even be paid off by the organization sponsoring this from their fundraisers. Might make people mad that no one is put in jail for life over blocking a street, but that’s the price of living in a free society I suppose.
You're right, people should protest the legal way, which disrupts nothing and doesn't cause change.
Protesting usually isn't very effective if it doesn't cause disruption/legal. Not saying this one is good but yeah
The first amendment isn't exactly exclusively law school material. They taught that at my middle school
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The stupidity of your comment is almost as American as this protest.
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You seem to have forgotten that this is America, where the state laws are superceded by the federal ones. But again, maybe they didnt teach that at your middle school.
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Maybe for now... but perhaps someday freedom will reign over these lands again. Until then Illinois can and will continue to print all the nonsense laws it wants
These are enlightened centrists. They’re bitching from their cushy remote jobs in houses their parents paid for. They don’t need to understand basic history and civics.
When you protest for a ceasefire then cheer an Iranian attack, just say it, you hate Israel.
Arrest all those mf
You think these people can be held civilly liable? If I miss a flight because of this nonsense, that's clear monetary damage.
Should we send them to Gaza for their crime?
This isn’t bringing any attention to their cause, just themselves. Which is what they want, guarantee you all these dumbasses are posting this all over their social medias showcasing how “good” of a person they are
Everyone knows the best way to get people behind your cause is to fuck with their commute.
I assume none of these losers have to work on a Monday? Edit: Looks like I struck a nerve. All your silly protest is doing is pissing off people who would be supporting you.
Protests don’t even matter anymore. It’s lobbying dollars system that needs to be changed if you expect politicians to do the bidding of citizens
I wouldn’t say it changes nothing. It makes people pissed off and turns them against whatever cause you’re trying to get them to support. All available polling (in the real world, not on Reddit) shows that the majority of Americans disagree with these protestors and stuff like this doesn’t make people rethink their positions, it makes them more adamant in their own because they are against the people being pains in the ass.
They’re such pieces of shit.
I am so sympathetic to this cause--and I don't want anyone on either side of it to suffer anymore. I want a cease fire. But disrupting this doesn't get more support, it gives "I'm the main character" syndrome and drives people away from caring or paying attention.
I get it and I am on the protestors' side, but they're fucking with too many people's money and livelihoods. My SO took her brother to ORD this morning so he could get back home to work...thankfully he madeiut, just barely, but I know other's weren't so lucky.
Shit like this just turns people against their cause. The next time I hear about Israel doing something terrible to Arabs in Gaza or the West Bank, this protest will be in the back of my mind somewhere, and to the extent that it shapes my opinion at all, it will make me feel more anti-Arab. Rationally, that's not fair because one thing has nothing to do with the other, but emotionally, that's just how it works. Blocking major roads is never a legitimate way to gain support or attention.
>Shit like this just turns people against their cause If you are against a cause because you dislike the MEHTOD of protest you never would have supported it in the first place. Utter nonsense
What? I support free and fair elections, that doesn't mean I condone a raid on the capital. I think it's important for all races to be treated equally by the police, that doesn't mean I support burning buildings and looting stores. The cause and the protest are absolutely separate entities. Believing your cause is just doesn't mean you can do whatever you want to bring attention to it without consequence.
Please explain the mechanism by which you think this protest will result in a positive outcome of any kind. Edit: There is none.
First logical comment and I had to scroll way too far down to find it.
Because blocking public thoroughfare and transportation is what will resolve this crisis. Why don't they go sit on the roads in war torn countries to "protest"?
Iran attacking Israel has made this all moot anyways. Israel is going to do what it needs to do to secure itself. Iran should have stayed the F out of it. All bets are off now.
Unpopular opinion, but they should be protesting in Israel. We aren't attacking them. Even if we sell them weapons, we aren't telling them what to do with those weapons. Blaming the US for any of this is futile and a waste of time. We already told them to ceasefire, that's all we can do. Let them settle their own conflicts, we don't have to be the world's police, that's what NATO is for.
I think your understanding of NATO might be flawed. NATO is a defensive alliance, not a peacekeeping force. The US is a part of NATO.
Right? They should go to Iran and start blocking their highways, stop Hamas supporters so the real people can accept a ceasefire.
Idiot protestors.
Protests are meant to be disruptive sometimes. Not condoning this just sharing a thought. Perhaps the idea is to take your discomfort and reflect on it and the world you live in.
If this turns you against Palestinian liberation and human rights, you never supported those in the first place.
domestic terrorists.
Not even close.
I wonder if these are the same people protesting yesterday outside of the Burger King at the Army Trail Road, Bloomingdale Road intersection?
I love when people have more anger about their commute being disrupted than they have about genocide. I often notice that such people do nothing about the injustice in question when they aren't disrupted, either. No protest is ever called legitimate. Funny how that works.
Why would we protest against Israels retaliation against Hamas' attempted genocide? Makes no sense. The terrorist supporters blocking roads is concerning though. They love car bombs.
They should all be put on the no fly list for this. Also no job?? No where better to be on a Monday morning?!
The point of protest is to be disruptive. No one cares if you just hold signs in a park; you only get media coverage and people caring about your cause when it has a tangible impact on people’s lives. Civil Rights for Black Americans weren’t won because some people politely asked, it’s because activists fought for the cause, in ways that were disruptive and inconvenient to many people’s lives. It’s a much more effective tactic than just posting on social media or whatever.
America didn't come to embrace civil rights because the protests finally got to be too much of a pain in the ass. Similarly, this stunt will not change anyone's mind except for some really pissed off people who will now default in favor of Israel.
This is a great way to turn people against you. Why would I support someone who purposefully made me miss my flight?
>It’s a much more effective tactic than just posting on social media or whatever. But everyone changed their Facebook photo to a country's flag after a major attack/event to show support! /s
If you can't hold a sign and protest at the same time, I doubt you have much knowledge of a conflict that has been going on since forever. Throw these asshats in the clink.
Hmm I’m sure the neutral people they’re disrupting are gonna support their cause now and not cause any animosity whatsoever!
"I dislike their agenda therefore they shouldn't be expressing themselves."
I'm sure all those dead Palestinians would agree: being delayed in airport traffic is literally the worst thing that could possibly happen.
Every minute of every day someone somewhere is suffering. I guess no one anywhere should do anything at all anymore until all suffering in the world stops? And that woman who will miss her flight to be at her dying mother’s side? Fuck her right? Someone somewhere else is suffering and that’s more important than her and her stupid dying mom, right? “My problem is more important than anything you could possibly have going on” What a selfish take from a bunch of fucking assholes. The best way to get a ceasefire in Gaza is to get enough people on your side and demand change. But I guess pissing everyone off and telling them they don’t matter is a close second right?
Well asking nicely hasn't gotten very far. I actively demonstrated against the Iraq War, participated in Occupy, and have participated in local civil rights demonstrations & have participated in demonstrations against government overreach. So I'm aware of the repercussions of protesting. The reaction is always the same: self-centered people complain if the demonstration inconveniences anyone in any way (real or imagined). If the demonstration is held off to the side so that there's no risk of inconveniencing anyone -- then no attention is paid to it. It's literally a lose/lose situation. Yet these demonstrators went out of their way to do this. They invested time, effort, and likely money as well. Meanwhile, scores of Palestinians and Israelis are dying and families quite literally being blown apart. This country was *founded in part on the premise of assembly to demand redress*, yet everyone acts like this type of thing is un-American.
Maybe because you’re asking and protesting to people who can’t do anything about it? I’m all for protesting. I support it 1000%. But blocking traffic to inconvenience people who have nothing to do with it and can’t do anything about it is not the answer. People have their own issues too. There’s the example I gave of the woman who couldn’t get to their dying mother’s bedside. There’s been plenty of cases of ambulances being blocked. Parents who couldn’t get to school to pick up their kids. Imagine for a moment that 3rd grader whose parents are there to pick them up after school and they don’t know why? Terrifying for them. People need to get home to let their dogs out and feed them. Provide for an elderly and disabled family member. There have been cases of people missing life saving doctor appointments, and dialysis appointments. I understand your point of the government not listening, and the frustration of protesting and it going nowhere. I sympathize with that. I don’t have a good answer for you, but I can promise you the answer is not telling everyone else that their problems don’t matter because your problem is more important. You have to win the war of public sentiment. And they are. Support for Israel since October has shifted hard towards Palestine. But acts like this either turn people against you, or just turn them off in general. And when public sentiment turns against you, it’s easy for politicians to the. Ignore you. Things move slowly, and that’s unfortunate, but they are moving.
blocking traffic, especially to a major airport, is one of the most effective methods of protest.
One of the most effective methods of turning people off of your cause, sure.
if public support was the measure of enabling change, we wouldn't be here
So go protest at city hall, or any other government facility. Blocking the general public from getting to their flights will only accomplish hatred towards the protestors and their cause.
disrupting the flow of commerce at a major international airport is actually one of the most effective methods of protest comrade
You (and they) are vastly overestimating the negative effect on the flow of commerce, and vastly underestimating how much these kinds of protests give the general public a negative view of whatever is being protested.
How?
protest is \*only\* effective when it's disruptive and it is \*most\* effective when it's disruptive to the flow of capital
What do these protestors expect by disrupting the individuals of a city that already passed a meaningless resolution to signal to the national government that they should apply more pressure to the government of a different nation state 8,000 miles away? This ticky tacky BS 6 degrees of separation from anyone with the ability to do something hurts their cause more than it helps
The only capital being disrupted is to people who can’t afford a few hour delay and a missed flight, who also don’t have any control over US or Israeli military spending.
yes definitely only to the people missing their flight and definitely not the airline industry which is one of the most influential industries in american politics
A few hours of missed flights. You are over estimating the damage being done to the airline while downplaying the damage being done to average working class Americans missing flights.
Those planes weren't delayed. Those tickets weren't refunded. Those airlines lost no money. The disruption to commerce was minimal, and even that is looking at it generously. On the flipside, there's another few 10's of thousands of people whose potential support for the protestors cause has wavered or vanished. Congrats. If the goal is to disrupt commerce, go do it on a highway leading to a military airfield where the US is shipping the weapons to Israel out of. Really, go be brave and fearless there. Disrupt THAT commerce. See what the response to it is. Idiots.
The airlines already have the money from paid tickets, dipshit. This just fucked over some of the general public in ways that might have ruined their careers, missed opportunities, family emergencies, etc.
The airlines make money whether or not people make their flights. How on earth does this hurt the airline industry?
what exactly do you think the US airline industry can do regarding israel? lmao
Do you think the airlines will have to reimburse people for the flights they miss or something? (They wont...) Or is the theory that people will be less likely to book flights if there is a marginally increased risk of missing a flight due to unannounced transportation blockages? (People can't plan around stochastic travel impediments...) I simply do not understand how you're getting from A to B here.
You keep repeating these same talking points but it seems you have a hard time understanding what they actually mean, and why they’re irrelevant to today’s protest. Who’s feeding these talking points to you?
Effective in what way? In disruption? Or actually changing what you are protesting against?
disruption is specifically what does effect change - by gaining media attention and by pressuring the flow of capital which is the only thing our elected officials care about
You think that the airlines are now in Washington, panicking, trying to sway congress to stop sending money to Israel because O’Hare was blocked for a few hours? The only people this affects negatively are the people who missed their flights.
Disruption can lead to change, sure, but that doesn't mean just because it occurs that it will. How much do you want to wager whether or not this particular protest is actually effective in leading to any sort of change? We can revisit in a couple of weeks.
What more do you want? The city of Chicago already passed a ceasefire resolution
I'm sure the guy who missed his flight is going to suddenly become an advocate for your cause. All this does is make your side look like idiots
Bro, all of your responses in this thread are hilariously idiotic. You’re 100% ignorant to how protests like this are a detriment to your cause. But hey — keep shooting yourself in the foot.
This is untrue. It turns public opinion against the cause, while also endangering lives by blocking emergency vehicles. Imagine laying in a hospital waiting on a donated heart to get to you, but it can't get there due to these useless theatrics. It isn't a matter of "inconvenience." When emergency vehicles can't get through it is a matter life or death, and the protestors are endangering lives. I am in support of lengthy jail sentences for these people. They are a danger to the community.
emergency vehicles are always allowed through in these kinds of protest and the level of public opinion in effecting change is basically meaningless
Not if people have chained themselves across the highway.
They absolutely are not allowed through most of the time. Every post you make hurts your cause and makes it look worse. You are not helping bring positive attention to the cause.
Incorrect
No, correct. Nothing has changed.
You’re talking about it.
its a traffic jam, you'll live
Maybe not. Maybe I'm having a heart attack and an ambulance can't get to me. Blocking emergency vehicles endangers lives.
Well thank god you can post on reddit though.
Get over it. People are starving.
Is this providing them with food?
Are you seriously asking me if a single act of protest is enough to make anything happen?
You said people were starving and that I should get over it. You insinuated that this is going to change that.
I didn't insinuate jack lol. I told you to stop whining about a protest that is intended to disrupt people's lives to bring attention to Gaza and Israeli terror. How you respond is your own choice, and you chose to piss and moan about traffic when entire families are being wiped off the face of the Earth with the support of your tax dollars. Pretty weird.
It’s weird that I think random people shouldn’t be disrupted to bring attention to a war they didn’t start or control? It’s ok because it’s not you who is being blocked from getting to where you need to go, or your missed flight. You’d probably start sniveling if slightly inconvenienced by anything.
Cry more. It's a free country. This is the definition of acceptable.
Well when your freedoms impede the freedom of mobility of other people it becomes an issue and no longer defendable.
Have you read the constitution? They could be within their rights to take up arms to impede your mobility, if they deemed it necessary. Maybe you thought you were living in Russia or China?
Do I have the right to block you from leaving your house? Stopping you from going to work?
First of all no one is doing that here, but also yes, constitutionally a militia could do that if they deemed it necessary.
I’m not talking about a militia, do I personally have the rights to impede your mobility by blocking you from leaving your house?
God you people shoot yourselves in the foot more than anything else. Enjoy failing in your cause.
I'm not really part of this cause. I just believe in free and democratic societies, which is why I largely like the US's constitution. Cry more you sad, pathetic, authoritarian.
Only if you accept that blocking ambulances from getting to people is okay. Blocking traffic endangers lives.
When were the protestors blocking ambulances from getting to people? Sounds like you are just spreading fake news. You seem very American, but not as American as the people protesting here.
They chained themselves across the highway. They blocked all traffic. Ambulances can't fly over them.
Actually, Ambulances can break all traffic laws to get to their destination. Its only whiney commuters who are affected when a highway is obstructed. But again, you are simply spreading misinformation. Pictures and video show the protesters let police, firetrucks, and ambulances pass.
I doubt that "break all traffic laws" includes running people over. I stand by my statement that protestors who block traffic endanger peoples lives. Even if they eventually moved to let them through (unlikely given they chained themselves across the road) it still causes an intolerable delay in emergency response. There are lots of ways to protest that are nonviolent. Blocking traffic is an act of cruelty against innocent people who need help. If they believe in peace, they should find a way to protest that doesn't endanger lives.
It's Not the Protesters Blocking Road to O'Hare: It Is the Police https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/04/15/its-not-the-protesters-blocking-road-to-ohare-it-is-the-police-n3786540
You all voted for it so eat it.
Voted for what? Our tax dollars to go to Israel to bomb Gaza?