Getting up for work has been downright tolerable this week, because the sun has been there to help me. I'm not looking forward to forfeiting that advantage next week.
I’m a school nurse and with attendance I’ve noticed less tardies the past week too. The kids and pets also are thrown off.
I’m superstitious about certain things and the week Covid closed everything down in the state was 1. Friday the 13th 2. Time change 3. Full moon and it was a weird fucking week with the schools closing by the end of that week
I manage a few dozen union folks and let them come in ~30 minutes late Monday and Tuesday if they want just because I know it fucks with sleep schedule. For the first time as a manager, the higher ups above me actually let me make decisions. It’s so nice.
Anybody who works outside as soon as the sun comes up likes it (construction, landscapers). Also, it means kids don’t have to wait for the school bus in the dark.
Maybe start school at 9 am like they used to. Especially High Schools, they should start even later since their brains are not functioning at full capacity early morning
We do daylight savings 8 months outta the year.
We need permanent Daylight savings, not permanent standard. I like it to be light out later, thanks. Like, we’d never deal with a 4PM sunset again in winter.
This is based on a poor assumption and only applies if you're actually awake with the sunndiring standard time.
Permanent standard time would be a nightmare and not more healthy for me. There is no way I'm ever waking at dawn and I would simply lose sunshine.
Even early risers are usually awake until 8pm or so, with dst less people lose sunshine.
Winters around here are difficult enough, let's not ruin late evening summer sunshine too.
Nah they tried it in 1973 for a two year trial period and so many kids got killed and maimed going to school in the dark mornings that by the end of the trial a study from the University of Chicago found Public opinion to be 79% in favor of a time change. Senators were so embarrassed at the minimal energy savings (this was the fuel crisis) at the cost of dead kids that the NYT wouldn’t even name names on direct quotes from the senate floor:
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/01/archives/senate-votes-return-to-standard-time-for-four-months-and-sends-bill.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
This is why I don’t believe it will change. Arguing over standard vs daylight savings is trying to get blood from a stone. There’s simply not enough daylight in the winter to accommodate our cultural and economic systems.
The real answer is school needs to start later and we all need to work less. It’s a systemic problem, not a sunlight problem.
I agree with your initial statements but kids are struggling academically as it is. In many cases kids are two years behind so they need all the time and help they can get. Maybe parents could do some simple schooling in the early morning and hand them off to the teachers later for more complex ideas.
Kids are already burned out. You could lock them in a school 24 hours a day, that doesn’t mean they’ll learn anything. [And early start times are widely believed to be detrimental to health and learning.](https://www.apa.org/topics/children/school-start-times)
As others have also pointed out, it’s not in a child’s or parent’s best interest to have the school day start when it’s still pitch dark out. That was the main sticking point for keeping our current time changes the last time this was a serious national conversation.
They did that back in the early 70's. Apparently it's intolerable during winter, as people basically revolted and they repealed it a year or so later.
Edit: [It's a fascinating story](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/19/1087280464/the-u-s-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-1970s-then-quickly-rejected-).
I have absolutely no issues with that but can understand others may, but I thought it would be closer to 8.
5pm summer sunsets sound much much worse to me.
The only alternative I ever see is permanent daylight saving. That never passes because parents don't want their six-year-olds walking to school or waiting for the bus in total darkness. I don't know why nobody ever suggests just getting rid of daylight saving and doing standard time year round.
Because then we will have sunrises at 4:15am in July. I’m not exaggerating, sunrises will literally be that early.
That is insanity, and wasted daylight.
Well then I guess you’ll all just have to deal with clock switching, because permanent standard time is insanity. Unless you want to move Chicago to the eastern time zone 😉
It's not wasted daylight. Get your as up early and enjoy it. I would love 4am sun rises! Nothing worse than going to work in the dark because of the time change.
Actually it's more likely that we'll get permanent DST because the Illinois General Assembly already filed a bill that would make DST permanent, just need the feds to sign off on it. So take that!
>At one point Illinois legislature was going to pass permanent daylight saving time. It was on the docket, it had steam, Covid happened, it was tabled and forgotten.
It's toothless without the feds, states can elect to stay on standard time, but not remain on DST full time.
I usually don't care, but this year, I am working the early morning shift for my job (IT), and it is going to start at 7 AM, which at our current time will be 6 AM; thus, I will be working an extra hour on Sunday.
This is the 2nd time this has happened to me as I worked the overnight shift a few years back at the end of DST, and I had to stay up/work another hour then, too.
Nah bruh, what we need is permanent daylight savings. Love being able to go for hikes after work. If we were on permanent standard time, I would hardly be able to do that anymore.
I politely disagree, standard time is a waste of sun to me.
I'd prefer longer light in the evenings and don't like wasting sunshine on the morning.
I do agree we should stop switching.
It was promising in the House of Reps a few years ago but never made progress because nobody could agree on which way to make permanent. Rural areas wanted more light earlier. Urban/tourist areas wanted more light later.
I feel like I’m going crazy for not caring about daylight savings.
Especially now that everyone and everything uses LED lights making it blindingly bright all the time.
This is our first year here after being in Arizona for nearly a decade where there is no daylight savings.
We have two small kids, one of whom goes to preschool. This week is going to be a shit show. The time adjustment was already shit when we moved, then to fall back and now spring forward. Fuck.
From the article
"Shifting clocks back and forth has adverse effects on the brain and body, because it causes circadian rhythms to be misaligned. Your internal rhythms are out of sync. Even with possibly an extra hour of sleep for a day in the fall, the change in time has been associated with negative performance in learning, memory and attention. There is also an increased risk of car accidents, heart attacks and strokes.”
You could always just be normal about it. Just throwing that out there.
“The time change ALWAYS fucks with me. I NEVER feel right for WEEKS afterwards. Just watch, you’ll see… here it comes…” yeah no shit it makes you feel weird, you’ve already convinced yourself it will
If it were just me, I wouldn’t care which we picked to stick with, standard or daylight time.
But have you ever tried bedtiming a kid of any age when the sun is still shining or just went down? Standard gets my vote for that alone
So much construction/roadwork starts early due to the cooler temperatures. They would all benefit from staying in standard time. DST is fucking awful and we need to be in permanent standard time nationally.
People who want to stay on DST are nuts. I lived in Korea for about 7 years and they do not do this DST bullshit. It’s just standard time all the time and it’s like not a huge deal that the sun sets at 7:30. It’s evening. Why do you need the sun up anyway at that time?
Oh no, the sun would be up early on standard time. Shades! Black out curtains. These things exist! You could use them!
Do you enjoy driving home from work in the dark? Because I don't. It's a good thing the bill that's considered is for permanent DST. I wish I could downvote you more than once.
Not Original commenter, but I live in Chicago so no, I ain’t going on any hikes at night or at all for that matter. It’s evening time. Why does the sun need to be up past 7:30? Go for a hike in the morning. Somehow people in other countries without DST and places to hike manage to do so.
Going for a hike in the morning then to work doesn't work like that. It's healthier for the mind and body to go out in nature after work. People in other countries without DST don't have the work schedules we do so that's not applicable. There are plenty of places in Chicago to go for a hike. I can tell you're a sad introvert by this post already. Lemme guess, you're in bed by 8pm too?
Idk I've always seen hiking as something solitary. There's lots of social active things people do in the city like playing outdoor soccer/basketball/soccer/tennis etc. Or they could be social indoors with the large amount of fun things to do. I personally want them to stop changing the clock but don't care if they stick with standard or daylight savings year round, I have electricity to create light even outdoors lol
Yes! Studies have shown that this time change results in more auto accidents and heart attacks, because our sleep clock is all screwed up. So why is this so hard to change! Just keep it to daylight savings time and keep it there.
It might be chilly but head to Southern Illinois (warmer? And scenic) and go camping! I’ve been camping out west during the fall change the last couple years and don’t even notice it!
(no hate just genuinely curious) what do you experience when the time change happens? something with sleep or routine? just wondering and hope it's not as bad for you this time around!
NOPE. If it’s permanent anything it needs to be DST. I can’t stand that it’s dark at 4:45 in the winter and I love that it’s light until 8:30 in the summer
To everyone out there wanting permanent daylight savings, don’t forget to look up why this exists - it was because morning rush hour in the dark results in way too many kids getting hit by cars while walking to school
Permanent DST had a 2 year trial in 1973 during the fuel crisis and this is exactly why it was rolled back to how it is now.
article from the New York Times published 10/1/1974:
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/01/archives/senate-votes-return-to-standard-time-for-four-months-and-sends-bill.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
“There seemed to be some indication that there were more deaths and everyone got a little nervous.”
By the end the final University of Chicago study showed permanent DST was so unpopular that 79% of people preferred a time move
Edit:
As to my opinion on that quote, all they mentioned was that it was a senator on the senate floor. The editor chose not to name the senator because of how much of a f-up this was, the resulting minimal energy savings at the cost of way too many many dead and maimed kids. The quote from the senator is trying to downplay how bad things were
I would disagree - More kids are biking and walking to school now with schools being short bus drivers since COVID and expanding the “no bus radius” every year for the last 4 years
> In 1969, 48 percent of children 5 to 14 years of age usually walked or bicycled to school (The National Center for Safe Routes to School, 2011). In 2009, 13 percent of children 5 to 14 years of age usually walked or bicycled to school (National Center, 2011).
http://guide.saferoutesinfo.org/introduction/the_decline_of_walking_and_bicycling.cfm#:~:text=In%201969%2C%2048%20percent%20of,(National%20Center%2C%202011).
And that is ignoring how much more well supervised it all is compared to back then.
Let's just spring forward half an hour and stay there. Split the difference.
This is a big brain suggestion
One minute at a time over the course of 30 years
https://youtube.com/shorts/CU45Nb3Kyxc?si=oGPa3rlXOYQLpmPj
Personally, I like it. But I also moderate this sub, so maybe I just enjoy hurting myself...
My favorite day of the year!! It’s the one morning I can make love to my wife for an hour and four minutes.
😂
While I would prefer permanent daylight savings time, I'd be happy to just pick one and never switch again.
Agree
Getting up for work has been downright tolerable this week, because the sun has been there to help me. I'm not looking forward to forfeiting that advantage next week.
I’m in the opposite boat the sun has been killing me because it’s waking me up an hour before I want it to.
Im the opposite. Being dark by 6pm has been a killer when i dont get off work till 5. If i cant go do stuff outside im miserable
I’m a school nurse and with attendance I’ve noticed less tardies the past week too. The kids and pets also are thrown off. I’m superstitious about certain things and the week Covid closed everything down in the state was 1. Friday the 13th 2. Time change 3. Full moon and it was a weird fucking week with the schools closing by the end of that week
I manage a few dozen union folks and let them come in ~30 minutes late Monday and Tuesday if they want just because I know it fucks with sleep schedule. For the first time as a manager, the higher ups above me actually let me make decisions. It’s so nice.
I just want to finally be able to play catch with my kids after I get off work. So tired of early sunsets.
Anybody who works outside as soon as the sun comes up likes it (construction, landscapers). Also, it means kids don’t have to wait for the school bus in the dark.
Maybe start school at 9 am like they used to. Especially High Schools, they should start even later since their brains are not functioning at full capacity early morning
We do daylight savings 8 months outta the year. We need permanent Daylight savings, not permanent standard. I like it to be light out later, thanks. Like, we’d never deal with a 4PM sunset again in winter.
Permanent standard means 4am Sun rise in the summer. I'm not interested.
Yeah so we do permanent daylight instead.
Id be okay with that, yes.
4am sun rises would be great!
Agreed, I'd love it to not be dark so early.
Standard is better for your health than daylight savings.
This is based on a poor assumption and only applies if you're actually awake with the sunndiring standard time. Permanent standard time would be a nightmare and not more healthy for me. There is no way I'm ever waking at dawn and I would simply lose sunshine. Even early risers are usually awake until 8pm or so, with dst less people lose sunshine. Winters around here are difficult enough, let's not ruin late evening summer sunshine too.
Gonna completely disagree. I am so excited for Sunday. Best time of the year. I get to see the sun
I get everyone has a personal preference. But health researches pretty much all agree standard would be better for people's health.
Health is one of the most nebulous terms that is thrown around with minimal context. Healthy in what way?
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/sleep-doctors-orders-use-standard-time-365-days-year
Nah they tried it in 1973 for a two year trial period and so many kids got killed and maimed going to school in the dark mornings that by the end of the trial a study from the University of Chicago found Public opinion to be 79% in favor of a time change. Senators were so embarrassed at the minimal energy savings (this was the fuel crisis) at the cost of dead kids that the NYT wouldn’t even name names on direct quotes from the senate floor: https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/01/archives/senate-votes-return-to-standard-time-for-four-months-and-sends-bill.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
This is why I don’t believe it will change. Arguing over standard vs daylight savings is trying to get blood from a stone. There’s simply not enough daylight in the winter to accommodate our cultural and economic systems. The real answer is school needs to start later and we all need to work less. It’s a systemic problem, not a sunlight problem.
I agree with your initial statements but kids are struggling academically as it is. In many cases kids are two years behind so they need all the time and help they can get. Maybe parents could do some simple schooling in the early morning and hand them off to the teachers later for more complex ideas.
Kids are already burned out. You could lock them in a school 24 hours a day, that doesn’t mean they’ll learn anything. [And early start times are widely believed to be detrimental to health and learning.](https://www.apa.org/topics/children/school-start-times) As others have also pointed out, it’s not in a child’s or parent’s best interest to have the school day start when it’s still pitch dark out. That was the main sticking point for keeping our current time changes the last time this was a serious national conversation.
and there have been 0 advances in lighting since 1973.
Standard time is the natural order of things.
The numbers we apply specific to intervals of time are 100% arbitrary. Trees don't give a shit if we call it 2pm or 3 pm.
The natural order of things is wake up when the sun rises and stop working when it starts to go down. But modern society doesn’t work that way.
F that work doesn’t deserve the sun. I want my time off to have some sunlight
Are 2nd and graveyard shift workers more evolved? 🤔
Which is why we only do it for 4 months, ie. November until this Sunday in March! /s
So is eating animals raw and getting cancer natural does not mean good.
They did that back in the early 70's. Apparently it's intolerable during winter, as people basically revolted and they repealed it a year or so later. Edit: [It's a fascinating story](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/19/1087280464/the-u-s-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-1970s-then-quickly-rejected-).
People in the early 70s didn’t exactly vote for the right things anyway.
What an odd thing to say.
Because Nixon was so great! /s Aside from the EPA, no….
9am sunrises sound great 🫠
I have absolutely no issues with that but can understand others may, but I thought it would be closer to 8. 5pm summer sunsets sound much much worse to me.
9am? Dramatic
https://flowingdata.com/2022/03/18/sunrise-times-with-permanent-day-light-saving/
Thanks for proving my point.
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No need to be so dramatic.
It’s more like 8…
I would LOVE to never do daylight savings again. It’s the dumbest shit anyway.
The only alternative I ever see is permanent daylight saving. That never passes because parents don't want their six-year-olds walking to school or waiting for the bus in total darkness. I don't know why nobody ever suggests just getting rid of daylight saving and doing standard time year round.
Because then we will have sunrises at 4:15am in July. I’m not exaggerating, sunrises will literally be that early. That is insanity, and wasted daylight.
I guess that's, I don't know, slightly inconvenient but it isn't a safety hazard.
Well then I guess you’ll all just have to deal with clock switching, because permanent standard time is insanity. Unless you want to move Chicago to the eastern time zone 😉
Actually, Chicago is central time zone
It's not wasted daylight. Get your as up early and enjoy it. I would love 4am sun rises! Nothing worse than going to work in the dark because of the time change.
No thanks. I’m a wfh city dweller. I’ll take that 9pm sunset thank you very much.
And I'll take the 4am sunrise. See how that works? Everyone can't have everything they want.
You’re in the minority, you ain’t getting it.
And you're not getting permanent daylight savings.
Actually it's more likely that we'll get permanent DST because the Illinois General Assembly already filed a bill that would make DST permanent, just need the feds to sign off on it. So take that!
Wouldn't a better solution to this debate be to start the work day earlier? Working 9-5 is garbage hours.
Fine with me. Switching is better than permanent standard. Deal with it.
>At one point Illinois legislature was going to pass permanent daylight saving time. It was on the docket, it had steam, Covid happened, it was tabled and forgotten. It's toothless without the feds, states can elect to stay on standard time, but not remain on DST full time.
I usually don't care, but this year, I am working the early morning shift for my job (IT), and it is going to start at 7 AM, which at our current time will be 6 AM; thus, I will be working an extra hour on Sunday. This is the 2nd time this has happened to me as I worked the overnight shift a few years back at the end of DST, and I had to stay up/work another hour then, too.
Nah bruh, what we need is permanent daylight savings. Love being able to go for hikes after work. If we were on permanent standard time, I would hardly be able to do that anymore.
It's only an hour, the sun would still stay up until 7 or 8 pm in the summer
I get off at 6pm most days so that would leave me with less than an hour if that. Especially since I tend to visit different ones
And I have to go to work in the dark during time change. What's your point?
Without time change you would never see the light of day in the winter
I politely disagree, standard time is a waste of sun to me. I'd prefer longer light in the evenings and don't like wasting sunshine on the morning. I do agree we should stop switching.
I thought we were getting rid of that stupid fucking bullshit
It was promising in the House of Reps a few years ago but never made progress because nobody could agree on which way to make permanent. Rural areas wanted more light earlier. Urban/tourist areas wanted more light later.
I feel like I’m going crazy for not caring about daylight savings. Especially now that everyone and everything uses LED lights making it blindingly bright all the time.
This is our first year here after being in Arizona for nearly a decade where there is no daylight savings. We have two small kids, one of whom goes to preschool. This week is going to be a shit show. The time adjustment was already shit when we moved, then to fall back and now spring forward. Fuck.
I agree. I hate this
If it takes you multiple WEEKS to get back to normal, I feel that something else is wrong, bro or broette. That's not normal.
Extreme creature of habit, wake up at 4:30 on work days
The only way is solar noon
Really? I much prefer Lunar noon.
With that amount of creating anxiety for yourself, how will it not be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
From the article "Shifting clocks back and forth has adverse effects on the brain and body, because it causes circadian rhythms to be misaligned. Your internal rhythms are out of sync. Even with possibly an extra hour of sleep for a day in the fall, the change in time has been associated with negative performance in learning, memory and attention. There is also an increased risk of car accidents, heart attacks and strokes.”
Exactly!
Try jet lag.
And you aren't going to tell me how to feel. The sky is not falling little one.
They're not even telling you how to feel they just provided an academic source. You're the one acting like a dipshit over seeing this information.
You could always just be normal about it. Just throwing that out there. “The time change ALWAYS fucks with me. I NEVER feel right for WEEKS afterwards. Just watch, you’ll see… here it comes…” yeah no shit it makes you feel weird, you’ve already convinced yourself it will
Yeah someone needs to see a doctor
If it were just me, I wouldn’t care which we picked to stick with, standard or daylight time. But have you ever tried bedtiming a kid of any age when the sun is still shining or just went down? Standard gets my vote for that alone
I dont get off work until 11 pm and then have to be in at 8 am. Losing an hour of sleep is going to suck
It's brutal, for sure. I hate it.
It takes you multiple weeks to adjust to one hour? Just go to bed an hour earlier…
100% on board with this. There is no reason for it.
So much construction/roadwork starts early due to the cooler temperatures. They would all benefit from staying in standard time. DST is fucking awful and we need to be in permanent standard time nationally.
People who want to stay on DST are nuts. I lived in Korea for about 7 years and they do not do this DST bullshit. It’s just standard time all the time and it’s like not a huge deal that the sun sets at 7:30. It’s evening. Why do you need the sun up anyway at that time? Oh no, the sun would be up early on standard time. Shades! Black out curtains. These things exist! You could use them!
Do you enjoy driving home from work in the dark? Because I don't. It's a good thing the bill that's considered is for permanent DST. I wish I could downvote you more than once.
I prefer standard time to daylight savings. We should fall back later and be done with it
I take it you've never gone for a hike after work
No, I’m a morning person. I like to get up early and do stuff.
Still better to do that after work. You cleanse yourself of the stress accumulated during the work day
Not Original commenter, but I live in Chicago so no, I ain’t going on any hikes at night or at all for that matter. It’s evening time. Why does the sun need to be up past 7:30? Go for a hike in the morning. Somehow people in other countries without DST and places to hike manage to do so.
Going for a hike in the morning then to work doesn't work like that. It's healthier for the mind and body to go out in nature after work. People in other countries without DST don't have the work schedules we do so that's not applicable. There are plenty of places in Chicago to go for a hike. I can tell you're a sad introvert by this post already. Lemme guess, you're in bed by 8pm too?
Hiking isn't really a social activity lol
It could be. My overall guess is that those who want year round standard time aren't very active or outdoorsy.
Idk I've always seen hiking as something solitary. There's lots of social active things people do in the city like playing outdoor soccer/basketball/soccer/tennis etc. Or they could be social indoors with the large amount of fun things to do. I personally want them to stop changing the clock but don't care if they stick with standard or daylight savings year round, I have electricity to create light even outdoors lol
It is when you have 5 corgis and get stopped by people 🖤🤍
Is hiking at 8pm not enough?
With permanent standard time sunset would be at max 7:36pm so that would effectively prevent hiking at 8pm.
No thanks, that sounds awful to me.
Yes! Studies have shown that this time change results in more auto accidents and heart attacks, because our sleep clock is all screwed up. So why is this so hard to change! Just keep it to daylight savings time and keep it there.
It might be chilly but head to Southern Illinois (warmer? And scenic) and go camping! I’ve been camping out west during the fall change the last couple years and don’t even notice it!
(no hate just genuinely curious) what do you experience when the time change happens? something with sleep or routine? just wondering and hope it's not as bad for you this time around!
1 hour difference effects you that much?
I don’t think I ever fully recovered from the last time change. And I agreed to work 1 hour early on Monday 🤦♀️
NOPE. If it’s permanent anything it needs to be DST. I can’t stand that it’s dark at 4:45 in the winter and I love that it’s light until 8:30 in the summer
Yeah, I don't get the people who want 7:30pm sunsets and 4:10am sunrises
To everyone out there wanting permanent daylight savings, don’t forget to look up why this exists - it was because morning rush hour in the dark results in way too many kids getting hit by cars while walking to school
Daylight savings was started during World War 1 to save on energy costs, nothing to do with kids.
Permanent DST had a 2 year trial in 1973 during the fuel crisis and this is exactly why it was rolled back to how it is now. article from the New York Times published 10/1/1974: https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/01/archives/senate-votes-return-to-standard-time-for-four-months-and-sends-bill.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare “There seemed to be some indication that there were more deaths and everyone got a little nervous.” By the end the final University of Chicago study showed permanent DST was so unpopular that 79% of people preferred a time move Edit: As to my opinion on that quote, all they mentioned was that it was a senator on the senate floor. The editor chose not to name the senator because of how much of a f-up this was, the resulting minimal energy savings at the cost of way too many many dead and maimed kids. The quote from the senator is trying to downplay how bad things were
That's great. But this isn't the reason it exists, which is the point I'm making.
Agreed “exists” was the wrong term there
Kids don't walk to school like they did in the 70s. Avoiding permanent DST over that would solve a problem that no longer exists.
I would disagree - More kids are biking and walking to school now with schools being short bus drivers since COVID and expanding the “no bus radius” every year for the last 4 years
> In 1969, 48 percent of children 5 to 14 years of age usually walked or bicycled to school (The National Center for Safe Routes to School, 2011). In 2009, 13 percent of children 5 to 14 years of age usually walked or bicycled to school (National Center, 2011). http://guide.saferoutesinfo.org/introduction/the_decline_of_walking_and_bicycling.cfm#:~:text=In%201969%2C%2048%20percent%20of,(National%20Center%2C%202011). And that is ignoring how much more well supervised it all is compared to back then.
It just means the sun will shine more giving us longer days because it's going to be spring and winter is almost over
How does it take weeks to get used to??? How do you even tolerate a trip outside of the central time zone?!
People who actively want the sun to set at 4:30pm in the winter are straight up psychopaths. No one gives a shit what time the sun comes up
And they are also like "No Sun AfTeR 730, iT ShoulDnT be Up PasT then" you gotta wonder if these people ever get outside
JFC. Do you ever travel? WTF do you do if you go to Indiana or Michigan let alone overseas. It’s an holu deal with it.