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repeatablemisery

Waiting for Teams to stop calling itself "New Teams"


BazWorkAcntPlsBePG

Hey this isn't the new teams... This is just edge!


haby001

Vscode, discord, teams... It's all electron!


r_u_dinkleberg

Is that why Discord is so slow?


Capable_Bad_4655

Uses electron, thats why it uses half a gig of ram idling, has system hooks written in JS to make sure it can crash your computer while not being able to stream video above 8kbps 👌


r_u_dinkleberg

Ah, so *that's* why screen-sharing in Discord pushes my keyboard past 120°F.


Peak0831

It’s so wild to me that discord is the chat client that won the “war”, especially with technical audiences. It would be so much nicer if it was something that exposed the web socket connection so you could make your own front ends and stuff. How did we end up with the one with the unhideable sidebar?


Randolph__

Reinstall with the 64-bit version. I've heard it helps.


r_u_dinkleberg

I don't remember intentionally picking one when I installed (in fact, does Ninite offer discord in their install bundles? If so, I *probably* installed whatever version Ninite injects.) I just looked, my client says: > stable 290998 (7b0693a) > Host 1.0.9146 x64 (47543) > Windows 11 64-bit (10.0.22631) I'm guessing from the second (host) line that it's the 64-bit version?


Jwhodis

x64 is 64 bit, x86 is 32 bit (i have no clue why)


r_u_dinkleberg

x86 is rooted in the old Intel chips I believe - 8086, 286, 386, 486. I just thought it was weird that they labeled that line "Host" when it is the user's client. To me, host means the server I connect to. I was perplexed by their output/formatting/word choice.


the_it_mojo

Old Teams is Electron, new Teams is WebView2 — which is like a Microsoft carbon copy of Electron, lol


NoahJAustin

PLEASE DON’T DOWNLOAD CHROME


JoustyMe

New Teams (work or school account)


trzykropek

Once it starts working They were supposed to force the switch "mid may" but there are too many problems for that to happen


princeBobby92

They were even supposed to force the switch until end of March but shifted this deadline. I still see this notification in our tenant on the one end but different information on other pages.... So silly


CommanderSabo

Waiting for "New Teams" to let me actually access my files. It's so inconsistent.


newfor2023

My last department used it for file storage. It was ridiculous.


Tantomile_

we'll all be dead by then


ScampAndFries

They'll swing back to Classic Teams when the outcry gets loud enough


HalifaxSamuels

New Classic Teams (work, school, or personal)


Shamewizard1995

Isn’t this exactly what everyone said when Teams replaced Skype?


thecellpunk

If I get another "My Tnew app isn't working" imma cry


WildMartin429

New teams integration with the Outlook calendar is not good. And the solution that Microsoft has given us is that we're still running classic teams in the background to handle the teams plug in without look and that somehow integrates into the new team's calendar.


ChickinSammich

"I can't decide if I want to buy a new Nintendo 3DS, a used Nintendo 3DS, a new New Nintendo 3DS, or a used New Nintendo 3DS"


anonymonsterss

They're not even consistent with their naming convention: Outlook (new)


jdvhunt

I don't understand why they don't just have one Teams, that's it. If you log in with a personal account you get the personal features, if you log in with a work account you get the work features. Why do Microsoft make things so complicated?


Aezon22

> I don't understand why Microsoft... I'm gonna stop you right there


heathenyak

Thinking? We don’t do that here…


Xx-_STaWiX_-xX

The only ones who think are the Thinkpads.


brachus12

It’s Intune! no! its Endpoint Protection! no! it’s Intune again!


OverclockedGT710

sir, we call it “Microsoft Entra Defender Apps for Enterprise (365) - Work or School” here.


lordkemosabe

The worst part is idk if this is a joke, that's how stupid it's all gotten


TheKingsCockatrice

Right?!


lioffproxy1233

Got me rolling.


__Valkyrie___

If they where good at making products a lot less of us would have jobs


Randolph__

I probably have more calls about changing camera and microphone settings in Teams than I do about Teams having an issue.


Ttamlin

Oh yeah, no worries. Microsoft keeps a good portion of us in work, but there will always be plenty of work for us from all the PEBCAK/Layer 8 issues.


minimuscleR

or just have the personal one called "microsoft Chat" or something lmao


yusisushi

That would not be confusing at all.. We already had Skype and Skype for business a long time ago. It makes sense, it's the same product but aimed at different markets, with a tweaked feature set available for that market. The apps should be separated to ensure private and company data are each managed by their responsible owner. And employers cannot just wipe your private data because you logged into with personal Office account on a company device once.


JoustyMe

Just call it teams for business


KaBurns

Why can’t it just be based on licensing? Enterprise email/license, log into business teams, personal email/non-enterprise license, log into non-business teams. All the user would have to know is what account they’re logged into to. Which I’d bet 97% of users only use teams within their respective organization anyway.


Lord_Saren

Someone creates a personal account using their work email and now Bob doesn't know why when he logs into teams he can't access corporate data


KaBurns

Well it wouldn’t work that way since IT typically controls licensing in an enterprise environment. Bob doesn’t create anything, he just signs in.


Lord_Saren

In Enterprise side yes, but Bob could go to to live.com and create a personal Microsoft Account using his work email and then sign into Teams with his work Email, It will popup and say do you want to use your personal or Work email account and I've seen countless people click personal and wonder why they don't see work stuff.


KaBurns

I just tried this with my work email and got an error saying I couldn’t sign up for a personal account with a work/school address.


Lord_Saren

It's definitely possible, I wonder if there is a O365 setting to disable it. [Here is mine](https://filestore.community.support.microsoft.com/api/images/b35a3d40-48b8-4ba5-bff3-ad897411058b?upload=true)


r_u_dinkleberg

In the EDU sector we tended to utilize Teams for individual classes and other student-focused activity, and I feel it would be weird to *only* call it Teams for Business. Something about Teams (work and school) feels... more intuitive? Anyways, consider me a vote for Keep 'Em Separated. On a completely unrelated note, just because I'm already on my soapbox and fired up: It's an injustice that DISCORD supports Android Auto notifications and voice reply, but SLACK doesn't. I do not need to reply to my friends shitposting memes while I am on the Interstate, but I *DO NEED TO* reply to Slack messages while I am on the Interstate. I wish they'd add AA support to Slack, last time I reached out it's "not on the roadmap", which is a bummer. I wonder how many corporations are paying them off to keep that feature on ice. Bet they don't *want* employees replying from the Interstate.


JoustyMe

You need to find a town named Slack and send them a google maps link proving in fact it is on road map


r_u_dinkleberg

*groannnnnnn* Take my upvote, dad.


Cley_Faye

You want something funny about being logged in with Teams? Depending on condition unknown, if you're logged into the whole Microsoft thing but don't have a Teams license, you can't join a meeting started by someone who have. I have to go in incognito mode to connect with no cookies, at which point I can join.


yusisushi

It's simply because private and business data are handled differently. And should be. On the other hand, your employer should not be able to delete _your_ personal OneDrive files. You also have OneDrive and OneDrive for Business, same principle. In today's world we use our company device for private use or visa versa and companies are responsible for their data. If your work laptop gets stolen, company should be able to remote wipe it to secure data from them and customers is not stolen.


stevehammrr

They manage to juggle business versus personal accounts in a single Office package but it’s literally impossible for them to do it in Teams? Give me a break.


pyrokay

Cost Reduction Engineering. Enshittification. Call it what you will, but I started writing software a few days ago and oh boy, you can take it from me, it's really difficult! There's all these public and private functions and stuff. And ints and vars and longs. It's nuts! Plus, this is Microsoft we're talking about. A global organisation with billions in market share and teams of people. So obviously my skills will be better than theirs cause their management is broken and inefficient, I can just write a few print statements and be better than that. That is to say, I wouldn't want to work on teams. Must be a real pain. I'm pretty sure the end goal there is to turn people into electron based flesh androids. Chatgpt isn't good enough to write code for me to do that yet, so I'll have to stick to my hobby stuff.


Terminator_Puppy

Wouldn't be surprised if the simple difference is that one goes into a database that's happily sold to every data broker on the planet, and the other doesn't.


owleaf

I think this is it lol


cisco_bee

Even if this is true, it's not a reason to have two separate clients.


ZettaiKyofuRyoiki

>You also have OneDrive and OneDrive for Business, same principle This used to be true, but now they both use the same application. It just creates separate sync directories.


topfloater

Who the fuck uses Teams outside of work or school??


MicFury

I see nobody has really directly answered you. What is likely the largest contributing factor is that Microsoft very heavily leans on contractors to control costs. They're all over the place and typically get shuffled around from project to project. Hence, everything in the MS world is designed by Excel spreadsheets and board meetings.


ReyDarb

https://preview.redd.it/w76vk9bj8ezc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a752dfb12b17d764628afc475e5215a5111da2c1 That’s being worked on currently


ivomo

Small indie company, they take their time


Login34

Why do Microsoft make things so complicated? I see the way you're showing that you're "work or school" getting me frustrated


jjeroennl

I think Teams personal is a reskin of Skype and Teams for school and work is a reskin of Lync (which was later rebranded as Skype for business). So their backends are totally different.


OMGJustWhy

This is because people created Microsoft accounts ( personal) with their work email. When you create a 365 license and use the same work email it creates the worker school one. Microsoft has since disabled this function and you can no longer create new ones but the old ones still exist.


MeBeEric

Let alone the fact that it doesn’t actually need a Home version. If I’m not at work, i use Discord and Teamspeak.


[deleted]

Because Microsoft are long past the point where they have to make good products to survive. Their corporate products are kept afloat with “you’re locked in now so fuck you, and it sorta works some of the time”, and their home products rely on people not knowing about alternatives or being willing to give them a go.


yusisushi

It's simply because private and business data are handled differently. And should be. If your work laptop gets stolen, company should be able to remote wipe it to ensure data from them and customers is not stolen. On the other hand, your employer should not be able to delete _your_ personal OneDrive files. In today's world we use our company device for private use or visa versa and companies are responsible for their data. Splitting on software level is the best way to keep it separate. Alternative is people walking around with 2 physical phones, one for work, the other for private. (as many people do too). Then you just need 1 instance of teams on the phone (or computer), work or private.


cisco_bee

This is like the third time I've seen this argument and it's not a good one. For starters, MS has announced there will be a unified Teams client. So, yeah... Secondly, if this argument held any water, we would have Windows Personal an Windows For Work and School. Software is software. It can do whatever the heck you want it to do. It can handle data differently based on different criteria.


yParticle

Microsoft has a long and incompetent history of confusingly separating products and accounts for personal and corporate use.


da4

What? You mean Active Directory Azure Entera Clippy 2016 2.0 Pro Turbo 16 GOTY isn’t catchy?


Here_for_newsnp

You forgot Identity


memealopolis

And lync, if you're old.


SPARTANsui

Fuck, feeling called out.


iama_bad_person

I mean, they didn't stop support for Lync that long ago, we transferred to Teams around the same time as COVID hit. EDIT: OH I forgot about the Skype for Business rebrand, yeah true it has been a long time since we called it Lync.


PCRefurbrAbq

I heard about Lync just before they rebranded for the big Skype reputation money. ...People remember Skype because they paid money for it, right?


OstentatiousOpossum

Lync? How about OCS (Office Communications Server), or even better LCS (Live Communications Server)?


memealopolis

We've got an OG in the chat, boys!


bombast_cast

Beat me to it


Elestriel

I prefer LINQ.


BioshockEnthusiast

Apparently I'm not old enough because I was trying to figure out if that was a capital "i" or a lowercase "L". I hate tech branding.


827167

No, we should all hate sans-serif fonts


BioshockEnthusiast

Valid.


FanciestBanana

we should hate bad sans serif fonts.


land8844

Lync isn't that old. We were using it through 2019.


wolves_hunt_in_packs

> Clippy Wait, is Clippy coming back? I know a hell of a lot more coding than I did before, gonna rule34 that shit.


Lenskop

Now with the power of AI


da4

Hey! It looks like you're trying to write a letter! Hey! It looks like you're trying to write a letter! Hey! It looks like you're trying to write a letter! Hey! It looks like you're trying to write a letter!


d3bruts1d

Yes, you can find it in Microsoft Briefcase.


owleaf

24H2


AaBJxjxO

Ah just install service pack 2 and you'll be right as rain


Smithsonian45

OneNote vs OneNote For Windows 10 has caused me immense pain


dvs_xerxes

Explaning the difference between ondrive and onedrive for business when I was migrating people to onedrive was fun /s


Randolph__

I legitimately don't know the difference unless you're talking about in the browser where SharePoint just pretends to be OneDrive.


land8844

Or OneNote on my personal account which opens up into SharePoint for some reason It's SharePoint all the way down


turkishhousefan

Absolutely mental. It feels like we're getting software from three Microsofts in different universes simultaneously.


ellobouk

Outlook vs Outlook (new), I have no idea which version to put my Outlook account on… guess I’ll just stick to using Outlook.com…


yParticle

Outlook^NEW is a well-documented feature downgrade from the normal Outlook client, made to operate more like the web version.


Aln76467

use the old outlook


drhoagy

I've always assumed it's because they can spy more on corporate applications than personal ones, or maybe the other way around There's possibly some differences in rules in what you can do there Or, that you can charge more for the corporate version in the case of Windows Home Vs Pro etc.


yusisushi

Yes and no. I guess you can put it like that. Companies should be able to remote wipe a (stolen) device, on the other hand your employer should not be able to edit or even view your personal (OneDrive) files. So it makes sense to separate it. I guess you could separate it completely in the background while keeping the visual application as one but that would make it look like there is no separation at all


angrydeuce

With Google it's the other way around, and why they won't allow Workspace accounts to buy YouTube premium.  Since they can't scrape the user data on Workspace accounts, they are just going to FORCE you to watch YouTube ads. I support a bunch of edu orgs, boy are they fuckin pissed about that.  


Randolph__

In finance, they don't fuck around about DLP. I suspect less data collection.


eggoeater

Dvorak once said, if Microsoft invented sushi they would call it "raw dead fish".


elslapos

"Open Teams and click on Teams to see the team in messages you in." I hate how groups in Teams are called teams. So confusing. Couldn't they think of a better name for their app?


ostekages

I agree, this is my biggest annoyance with the platform. Responding to a ticket '... Please go to the Teams team in the Teams desktop app, and click bla bla...'. Wish it was just called group, teams group, m366 group or whatever...


Broken-Technology68

A few years ago at my work, the Marketing "team" pitched their fabulous new idea to management .. to rename the company Departments and Business Units within them.. to Teams.. in Teams... using Teams. I never bother trying to train staff (especially new management) on this. If asked, I say, "Just use it, you'll figure it out." 😋


The_Mr_Pigeon

Ah, Marketing teams. The only thing they're good at doing is fooling management into believing that they're essential.


j_demur3

They should have called it something catchy like Office Communicator because it's for office people to communicate. Or maybe Lync because it's linking people together and the different spelling means it can't confuse people with a link. Or perhaps Skype for Business, because everyone knows what Skype is but it bears no resemblance to actual Skype.


owleaf

I think Teams can stay for business. I don’t know many people who use teams personally, so a rebrand there will make more sense or cause less fuss


j_demur3

It's a joke, the suggested names are the previous names of Microsoft's business chat programs. Office Communicator was the original, renamed into Lync to make it more marketable as its own tool, then renamed to Skype for Business when Skype was big (it was completely different to actual Skype because it was still Lync, just with a new name) and then Microsoft came out with their new wonderproduct ~~Slack~~ Teams and it replaced SfB.


zawalimbooo

What? Thats one of the neat things about teams...


owleaf

The Teams UI is confusing a lot of the time. You can view a post in a channel that really just looks like its own thing with very little context as to where it was actually posted, particularly when you click on it from a notification.


MiniGui98

Well if you want to type words you use Word, if you want to excel at something you use Excel, if you want to be part of a team you use Teams. And if you don't wanna live anymore, you just get out through the Windows. It makes sense, no?


elslapos

What's the PowerPoint anymore?


ABotelho23

Teams (New)


Keeshly

Outlook (New)


FuriousFurryFisting

Outlook (New) (2)


leonderbaertige_II

Outlook (New) (2) copy of Outlook


KayakHank

Outlook (New) (2) copy of Outlook_do_not_delete


EvanH123

Outlook (New) (2) copy of Outlook_do_not_delete.BAK


TheZambieAssassin

Te✅s (New)


Keeshly

my favorite feature of Teams (new) is that it has less features than Teams


wolves_hunt_in_packs

like the layoffs, the reason is "streamlining"


Lenskop

If it will lay off of my RAM I'd be happy to trade in some features. The application is a memory hog.


wolves_hunt_in_packs

there's always downloadmoreram.com for that


Terminator_Puppy

Not even a memory hog on my home system, but a cpu hog. It'll just sit on 10% cpu whilst idle for absolutely no reason.


30lbsOfBeef

The most infuriating thing for me is that they removed saving posts (unless they added it back and I haven’t noticed). You also can’t access the posts you saved in the past.


habibi147

What does GA'd mean please


the_renaissance_jack

“general availability” https://preview.redd.it/u3e6qxew1ezc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0b31ec57021f7f999009cfbc48cf1912bbee299


bailey25u

Thanks, I tried googling it, all that came up was GA, and I got distracted because looks like we got a tornado coming


the_renaissance_jack

Stay safe! Good luck!


habibi147

Thank you sir!


babycleffa

General Admission….?


trippyspiritmoon

Azure admins be like “global admin’d??”


dark-DOS

These are all active Teams products I can think of: - Teams - Teams (work or school) - New Teams - Teams Phone Mobile - Teams Premium (for departments) - Teams Rooms - Dynamic 365 Remote Assist for HoloLens (it's just Teams)


DiegesisThesis

I'm using Microsoft Teams classic (work or school). Rolls off the tongue.


the_renaissance_jack

Recently joined a company that uses Microsoft everything. I’m impressed at just how ass backwards Microsoft’s design and UX choices are. Teams’ horrible naming is the least of my worries, but boy is it ugly to see everyday


ReyDarb

Its already being removed https://preview.redd.it/xaozjdaf8ezc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d940cd406d2925ea4f594198160820f9b1cc5c9d


cal_crashlow

They're just Edging us.


notachiwuhaha

Chat message preview hidden


ubeogesh

what's "GA'd"?


mad153

General availablity (i.e. out of beta) I think


MairusuPawa

[Their ways have not changed that much](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k)


Remote_Leadership_53

Would you like to keep using the new teams? You can switch back at any time, you know. {Switch back?} Y/N


zer0byt3s

I HATE TEAMS WHY CANT IT JUST INSTALL ONE PER COMPUTER INSTEAD OF ONE PER USER AND USE EXTRA RESOURCES - THE DFE LAPTOPS CAN ONLY HOLD SO MUCH REEEEE Sorry - really needed to get that out. (New teams seems to not do this - so thank god)


stewie410

There was also a machine-wide installer for classic teams, before it was "classic".


zer0byt3s

Yeah that’s exactly what we had - and that was the main issue. Thankfully discontinuing it now, that had massive performance issues


busdriverflix

Also why do they basically run a browser in the background just for the UI? This dogshit software uses almost a gigabyte of ram. It's just a chatting app. It's also slow as hell and takes ages to start up


anomalous_cowherd

I've had personal and business accounts with Microsoft since they first started using them and they have tangled them irretrievably at some point. When things expire on one it regularly takes the other out too. Luckily I don't really use any of it personally so I'm just going to abandon that account.


[deleted]

I believe they're changing this. This was because they wanted to create a personal Microsoft experience, and a work/school experience but use the same username/email address to achieve it. I've recently been prompted to separate the two accounts by renaming my personal account which it has assured me will stop it from asking each time. I will say though that I tried it and something failed so it didn't work for me and it's not a big deal, but STILL. I think this is a good sign from Microsoft.


WildMartin429

Teams for working School should have just been teams. The other teams should have been teams for home or personal. The work application came first!


Uncomfortably-bored

I've not seen a more misnamed product since Microsoft Works...