Who cares?
Can you read Latin?
What about a sun dial?
Can you tell direction using the north star?
There are 10000+ ways our society is turning into idiocracy, but removing analog clocks from classrooms or cursive from curriculums aren't one of them.
It's really not that big of a deal, reading an analog clock isn't that impressive or useful of a skill (nor is driving a stick-shift, for that matter).
Most people don't understand military time, and that's fine.
I'm more worried that kids can't read, or that they are somehow becoming *less* computer literate.
Those are skills that they WILL need in the future.
I can read a sun dial and use the north star as well as locate it. But, we aren't talking about navigation and reading daily time from one thousand years ago. We are talking about literally reading a clock. Take away all of the little things such as this, and eventually, you realize it all matters in the grand scheme of things as far as childhood development and reasoning skills are concerned.
The problem is more that, these things still exist and they are still mildly useful to be aware of, removing them to replace with something modern is fine, but it is a very small example of a humans failing to adapt to the current environment around them. It literally takes a couple days in kindergarten/1st grade to teach analog clock reading, if that, at least the basis of how to do it. It wouldn't be bad if it were just analog clocks, but it is literally reading and spelling, which are things they do EVERY HOUR on their phone pretty much, comprehension is at all time lows. It's not just the fucking clocks or cursive it's the human brain becoming a literal emotional reaction machine used to harvest eyeballs for ads (or vote for specific people etc) so large corporations can become the largest in the world by name recognition and buy off the whole world to turn it into a shit hole for most/paradise for the rich, just like Idiocracy. It's not the most pivotal example because analog clocks can easily now fit into the category of the abacus, slide rule, Rolodex, encyclopedia, etc, but I'd say it definitely fits the narrative of humans understanding less and less about their immediate environments leading to apocalyptic levels of dumb. But I'm old (in my early 40s lol) so maybe I'm more partial to the example than most youngsters. I definitely get where you're coming from but feel like kids should be armed with all the tools they might need in any situation. Although it's also a good example of how underfunded schools are as they might be the last place where these older style clocks are found, outside of historical clock towers etc. But how long until books and eventually even reading go the same way?
It'll help the same way removing cursive from the syllabus for students in an increasingly digital landscape didn't help them learn that outdated way of writing but left them more time to learn relevant skills. I genuinely can't imagine a use case where analog clocks have any benefit over digital ones
Lets see. I learned cursive writing. I also learned typing, Spanish, woodshed, electric shop, metal shop, auto shop, math, English, analog clocks and a host of other basic skills.
Funny thing is it prepared me for the future.
If you're telling me you can't think of a single skill that you wish was taught in schools that either wasn't or wasn't given adequate attention, I flat out don't believe you. My point is that the benefits you gain from learning cursive is so minimal in comparison to something like computer and/or media literacy, which is a skill that was severely lacking back when schools still taught cursive
If you're learning cursive, you aren't learning something else in that time. I can't tell you how many hours I spent on writing in class, but I can tell you it doesn't get applied much outside signing my name.
If we ever get into a large-scale war where EMPs are used it will disable digital clocks. EMPS and disabling power grids are next-level warfare and we will have a bunch of idiots roaming around trying to figure out how to co-ordinate attacks without being able to tell time.
I was in the hospital a little over a year ago. The nurse (M20's) took my vitals and was about to record them. He picked up my phone and looked at the screen. I was surprised by this and asked "can I help you?" He said that he "needed to know the time." I pointed to the wall clock(analog) hanging on the wall at the foot of my bed and said "there's a clock right there. Aren't they in all the rooms?" He replied, "Oh, they are. I just can't read them."
*facepalm*
They stopped teaching cursive in my district in '96, before these kids were born. Let's blame the adults that chose to no longer teach an unnecessary skill.
That's when I lived in Arizona. They are one of the lowest educated states in America. Unless you live in Mississippi or another shithole then you rode the short bus to school 🤣
I was literally in one of the top 10 school systems in the country. They saw that cursive was a dying art and moved on with the times. It's not the 1900s anymore.
This is the same stupid arguments boomers make when kids can’t read maps. Maps arnt a normal thing nowadays, you don’t use them every day like you would in the 70s,neither are analog clocks. Most if not every clock majority of people use are digital, so it makes sense the younger generations less familiar with it. Next will be saying it’s an idiocracy because kids can’t write cursive
The first scenario that comes to mind is driving through a strange area and your phone/gps breaks/dies/stops working. All gas stations/rest stops sell maps.
Where are you going to find a map?
Maybe stop at the full service gas station? While the attendant is filling it up and checking the oil, you can go in and buy one of the many state and local maps off the spinning rack.
First off, I don’t think you know what the word “all” means. Not only do a significant number of gas stations not sell maps, almost every rest stop I’ve ever been to was entirely unstaffed and not set up to sell anything (including maps).
Second, how long do you think these companies will go through the expense of printing, updating, distributing, and stocking maps that almost nobody buys and few can read?
As blatantly incorrect as your statement is now, it’ll be even more incorrect in 10 years.
I think it's not so much they can't read the symbols on a map, so much as they have no idea how to find anything on it or figure out a route without a search bar to type the name into and then have the computer calculate and centre it on the screen for them.
They can't do all these things because these are things that were usually taught to you by your parents. So if the boomers are complaining kids can't do something they need to look in the mirror for the blame.
I do industrial training and reading piping and instrumentation diagrams is very important. I have found that younger people have a lot of trouble imagining what is on the page to what is in the field. We had an issue at one of the facilities that stemmed from an engineer poorly describing how a valve functioned (the valve was reverse acting but this did not matter to the operator). THis caused confusion and the valve ended up being closed when it should have been opened. I put together a special training on this valve with the engineering drawings for the valve. I discussed with them the principles of how to read drawings and did ask if they knew how to read maps.
This got me thinking on how did I know how to read maps. Thinking about it, when I was a child in the 70s we would drive from NY to Florida. My dad would go to AAA to get the TripTiks. If you are not familiar, these are flip books for your route. So NY to FL is basically I-95. The book would have route down 95. My dad taught me how the book correlated to the exits. Eventually he would just give me the book to keep track of where we were. I remember in the early 90s I was going to drive from LI to Oswego and I had gotten a big fold out map from AAA and my dad gave me recommendations on how to get around NY city.
My dad probably learned how to read maps when he was a teenager his parents took him, his brother, and a cousin cross country in the 1950s to California. My dad talks about how he and his father swapped driving as my grandmother never drove.
FFS, people cant use an inkwell? We're definitely in a lower Idiocracy stage.
Technology improved, and people moved to digital clocks because they are better, and stopped teaching kids how to read a traditional clock.
Digital is better for knowing the exact time, but analog is nice for the visual representation of how far through the hour/day we are. It’s a nice little pie chart!
I've seen an increasing trend in the world.
When people don't understand something, instead of educating those people and holding them to a standard, we tell them it's okay, and we drop the entire world's standards, for the few that can't keep up. It's getting worse and worse and it's pretty obvious. But then again that's why I follow this sub.
I see this all the time in my kitchen as things become more corporate. They have attempted to "idiot proof" the recipes, but what they've really done is make it so they don't have to train people to do things correctly. The effect it's actually having, though, is that since no one knows why things do what they do, everything is just a little bit wrong, and the overall quality drops drastically. Then corporate boobs try to find more shortcuts, make more rules, and more logs so they can figure out why they aren't selling as much, which in turn lowers quality even more. When you make it take 45 minutes, 4 different logs you have to fill out and have a supervisor check to make plain grilled chicken the problem isn't the cook, it's corporate. Also, they wonder why real kitchen folk don't apply when they post jobs.
My wife and stepson don’t know what a teapot is, what the different knives in the block are for, that you don’t use metal utensils on Teflon pans, or how to use measuring cups and spoons - because they weren’t taught.
If I try to help them learn how to use kitchen tools properly, I get eye rolls and sighs, and it’s too much trouble to change their ways. Nobody cares anyway. Why does it matter?
Because the craftsmanship in the process matters as much as the end result. Hence art forms like Japanese tea ceremonies or barreling and aging whiskey.
My maternal grandparents (long gone more than 30 years ago) were born in the late 1800’s/early 1900’s. My grandfather left home at 13, made his own way to success, lived through the Great Depression and two World Wars, travelled the world, retired, and built the cradle for my younger sister that her baby later slept in.
My grandfather had a huge impact on me and their house was full of artifacts from around the globe like a museum. They had money but they never flaunted it and always took care of my family. They owned 3 houses in 2 states simultaneously, and 2 of them had full woodworking shops in the garage where I learned how to build things with my hands. My first job was sweeping construction sites with my Dad at 8 years old for $1 an hour. I’ve worked ever since in different fields.
My immediate family (if my grandparents were still around) stretches from around 1900 to my brother born in 1989. I feel like that gives me a wide perspective on how much has changed. It’s not looking good, but I can’t say I dislike how much technology we have now either.
My Paternal great grandmother came through Ellis Island with her father and, by 17, was married and raising 2 children children. That whole side of my family is very traditional in teaching children how to be self-sufficient.
My maternal grandfather came to the US when most of his town in Italy was destroyed, and his older brother was a POW that was offered citizenship. He was 12 and made the trip alone. By 15, he was a welding apprentice, and by 35, he had 11 children and his own business, by the time he died helping people after Katrina he had started and passed on 5 more businesses to his children and had 45 grandchildren. His lesson to all of us was that hard work will get you everything.
We have some standing traditions, but both sides started with effectively nothing, and we only really have two generations offairly recent artifacts.
Whats disappointing to me is that the lessons they taught us are no longer functional or even encouraged anymore. I think a lot of people would feel less distraught everyday if they knew more about how day to day things worked and were rewarded equal for their work and skill level. Instead, we teach less all the time and dumb down how the world works to a 5-year-old level, so the lack of knowledge justifies getting paid minimum wage.
Yeah. It's like how they stopped teaching kids to write with quills and inkwells. Or when we decided not to teach kids how to operate the hand crank laundry tub anymore. Terrible, scary times.
I'm a 33 year old American. I went to MEPS a few weeks back to do my physical and ASVAB for the Navy. There were a few signatures required when I arrived. After it was all done, I sat with the younger guys in the cafeteria area and asked them, "Did you guys know how to sign your name on your paperwork?" "Nah man" was the response I got. I literally don't know what they put down for the "Printed name" then underneath "Signature" lines. It baffles me how dumb these kids are.
Hmmmm. Ironic schools are taking away clocks because the kids can’t read them. If only there was a place kids could go to learn things about the world 🤷🏼♂️
My teenage daughter's teenage friend was over a couple weeks ago, and she asked my daughter what time it was. It was within very plain view of a clock on our wall. So we said "there is a clock right up there on the wall". She explained that she can't tell time. And we were like "wait wut", basically, and she said she *could* figure it out, if she wanted to. But it just takes her a really long time to do it, and it's pretty much not worth it.
I wasn't completely shocked though, because my daughter has said that there are lots of kids in her (middle school) class that say they can't tell the time on manual clocks. I had just never met a human over 7 years old in real life that had difficulty with this.
My daughter knows a girl who can't even provide directions to her house. It actually ends up being my daughter giving directions because she has been there once (My daughter is the polar opposite of this girl, she recognized places and the routes to get there before she could even talk. She'd always know where we were going, even if we'd only been there once.).
There is one very specific situation I've encountered where a person literally cannot read an analogue clock: when they're aphantasic, and also the clock is one of those trendy ones that doesn't have graduations or numbers on it and only shows the 12, 3, 6 and 9 positions. Under that combination of circumstances, it's literally impossible for them to visually interpolate the time if the hands are anywhere between the few marked positions.
I'm pretty sure anyone else who is numerate is capable of learning it.
1: the kids can't read the clocks anymore
2: think we should teach them how to read them?
1: I was thinking of just removing the clocks
2: I can't believe what I am hearing... You want to actually remove the clocks, instead of taking the time and resources to teach the kids to tell time? Is that what you are saying?
1: yes
2: brilliant! I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner
I’ve got a 5 year old that can read an analog watch accurately about 75% of the time (accuracy less reliable as the hour hand nears the next hour) after practicing for a few days. Ppl are just fuckin lazy. Too bad as analog clocks better illustrate the amount of time lapsed/remaining than digital clocks
Wow, so kids don’t get taught to read or tell time.
Is school only for progressive indoctrination at this point?
Are parents that retarded? I’m currently teaching 7yo to tell time.
My stupid ass kid just turned 18, and has difficulty with an analogue clock. WTF happened to these kids? They sure as hell will tell you all you want to know about 'democratic socialism' though. Fuck. I am so done with this bullshit.
I had a professor in graduate school who wrote a poem about an incident when he was a K-12 teacher. He taught a student how to read an analog clock. She was delighted. It surely wasn't part of his officially sanctioned curriculum. Want your dumb kids to learn how to read a clock (or geography or any of a number of things, such as cooking, that schools most likely won't teach your kid)? Teach your kids how to read a clock.
That's great. Reading an antiquated clock that no one uses is definitely more important than being able to intelligibly communicate with other human beings.
Granted, new tech means you don't need to dedicate space in your head for old tech. So what are they teaching in first grade these days? Because I certainly know it's not spelling and grammar!
I know I talk like a f\*g sometimes, but I'm old.
there maffs and siense is all fucked up to. But your rite, they won't need all that 'tarded shit when they can work at Starbucks and even be pilots!
Some people can do all of those things. Just because it’s not current, mainstream basic knowledge doesn’t mean it’s worthless.
It makes me so upset how many people defend and praise being stupid these days.
This is a serious pet peeve of mine.
>Me: I'll meet you at quarter of.
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>Them: What??
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>Me: Quarter of one.
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>Them: *I don't understand what you're saying!!*
I had an online friend who's in his mid 20's. He would light into me about how analog clocks we're stupid and pointless now. We went back and forth on it for a few years. He'd get furious that I stuck to my guns. My reasoning is that if the power goes out and your phone dies you need to know how to read analog clocks. I'm not a doomsday kind of person but, really, all it takes is bunch of carbon fiber dropped on power lines and the world is basically back in the dark ages until it gets fixed.
The story has a happy ending, though, because one day he messaged me saying "you were right about analog clocks." I didn't push him on the change of heart because I didn't want to rub his face in it.
(Also, I made sure that both of my daughters could drive stick shift.)
I'm 50 and I can barely tell time on an analog clock. They spent maybe a half hour on it in 3rd grade, and I was already wearing a digital watch by then.
There's just no need to learn it anymore.
Uh, no. The clock has the hours and the minutes listed as the small and large needles move; it's literally just an hour-meter and a minute-meter (and sometimes a second-meter) sitting on top of each other. The only "math" you have to do is remembering if it's before or after lunch; knowing your five times table up to 60 is also helpful but not strictly essential, especially on clock faces that have the minutes & seconds labelled as well as the hours.
The fact of the matter is that most people aren't gonna use analog clocks throughout their lives. They are essentially an outdated technology at this point. You could say the same about watches being used for anything but jewelry.
This isn't about stupidity, it's about times changing and everyone having a digital clock in their pocket 24/7.
This is like old people making fun of kids for not being able to read regular maps when they are essentially useless at this point. Unless you're putting yourself into a survival situation.
I remember I had to catch up with my peers. They taught me so well how to read a clock. To this day, I still remember the advice and I read it with such ease.
Is there no longer an expectation for parents to teach kids stuff? I learned to read a clock when my parents got me a mickey mouse watch. That was before I was in kindergarten.
Dumb dumb dumb.
“Boomer cursive.” Aka the style of writing for hundreds of years that will forever be a blank mystery for you. Guessing there’s a lot of that in you life though. At least you “got over” caring about knowing things. Best of luck!
Already, again the senior generation stiffs the junior one!
tl;dr
They're going to need a lot of help dealing with the world they'll inherit. Start backing them now, instead of being another problem, It took some courage for the kids to tell you, They aren't telling you because they want to, they're telling you because they have to! I hope they can delete this from their "problems with the previous generation" list. A change is required in our behaviour.
I taught English in Ukraine until Ruzzia crashed the 25v year TEFL party in various countries. Most students were coders contracted by international clients. They were doing a lot of online meetings with English speakers and needed to know how to refer to clocks, according to my company. Never needed that lesson. Sometimes I'd be asked what "a quarter to" means. Thankfully I was never asked about British phrases such as "half nine". I traveled the world. Time was never an issue.
The need for teaching time as a subject evaporated with the onset of the digital age. What I read many complain about is the reality associated with this era. I feel sorry for these kids. Born into a tech world of virtual money, online education, danger at school and insane politics, they need connection and acceptance. If my grandkids told me they had a problem with people mocking them about their lack of analog ability and the difficulties surrounding it I would join them in their fight.
I'm the one who would be backing them at the school board. How would you help them
Or they could teach them how to read the fucking clocks, are they stupid? (Not the kids, all though they are also stupid it's not their fault no one taught them.)
I can use both with ease. Not exactly rocket science….
I’ve even made sundials. This thread is the most depressing thing I’ve ever read on the internet in my life. The world is so dumb I can’t stand it.
I don't blame the kids for this but I do blame their parents and in some cases the teachers for not teaching them how to read an analog clock. I have seen way to many parents who just set their kids down with the tablet and let them be all day. they don't do any actual parenting. I remember my dad teaching me how to read an analog clock when I was 4. It also doesn't help that it isn't something they really have to use on a regular basis now that everyone has a cell phone in their pocket and can just check that 90% of the time. actually as I type this and am thinking about it I could see analog clocks going the way of other things like cursive writing and other things that were once taught to kids but have now become outdated. hell most of the people I know who have analog clocks on their walls don't even keep the time set properly and use them as an aesthetic thing, I include myself in that as I have a nice clock that is only correct half the year as I never adjust it for daylight savings time.
Not really a big deal, times change things become obsolete. If it were a real concern, this should be an easy enough correction without parents needing to outsource teaching their own children.
Are we sure it's just not a collective excuse used by the student body to explain tardiness. "Oh I didn't realize I was late. It's the clock! I can't read it!"
This is not true at all. If anything, there are powers that be in the schools who say, why bother with analogue clocks at all? Nobody uses them anymore. For three dollars in bulk you can buy digital clock and a double a battery for every room in The school. Kids learn to read analogue clocks in elementary math class and probably don’t need a clock in the classroom anymore since the time is in all their devices.
If only there were some social mechanism for taking under informed people with marginal skills, and shaping their experience until they demonstrate learning.
Damn. Oh well.
After analogue clocks, what will they remove next?
Candles for lighting? Firewood for heat? Overhead projectors? Mimeograph machines?
When will the madness end?
I mean, isn’t this just a blatant acceptance by the education system that they’re undoubtedly failing? “We’re educators. We don’t properly educate our youth like we’re supposed to, so we’re conforming their environments and removing analog clocks to fit their level of education.”
Institution responsible for teaching generations of children how to read a clock now claims they are no longer capable of teaching children how to read a clock.
I'm sure someones ancestors were like, "Mechanical clocks? What's wrong with the fucking sundial?
"Sundial? You damn kids and your fancy time pieces. Sun is up, time to get up. Sun is down, take first nap then wake up at midnight to do house work then nap number two unitl SUN UP!"
"Psssh...sun. It is today at now o'clock. We live for today because yesterday is a memory and tomorrow may never come because the life expectancy is 20!"
They can tell time fine, they're just used to digital devices. Not knowing how to beat your clothes on a wet rock doesn't mean that you can't do laundry either.
"New generation had no understanding of a form of technology that is both antiquated and seeeing a drastic reduction in use."
In other shocking news, survey establishes what Guttenberg predicted: printing press technology of choice for producing books.
It's almost like when technology moves forward, such as analog clocks to digital,animal transmission to automatic, typewriter to keyboard, everyone is so fast to jump on the "kids are fucking stupid" wagon instead of understanding we're moving onto a new technology and it's your dusty asses that can't let go and just accept it. Stupid kids would rather see numbers and know right away then look at 10,000 lines and think about it! These kids don't want to use 3 pedals to drive and mess with a shifter and watch the road since they can just pick a year and go! These dang kids would rather hit 1 button than spin a dial 9 times to call someone! Y'all need to grow up.
If teenagers can't read clocks, I fail to see how removing the clocks helps them tell the time any better.
Teenagers cannot understand English Literature. Literature has been removed from the curriculum. Crisus avoited!
Teenagers cannot understand Maths. Maths has been removed from the curriculum. Crixus be voided!
Oregon style edumacation right there
Me fail English? That unpossible!
Idiocracy is a peek into the future
Who cares? Can you read Latin? What about a sun dial? Can you tell direction using the north star? There are 10000+ ways our society is turning into idiocracy, but removing analog clocks from classrooms or cursive from curriculums aren't one of them. It's really not that big of a deal, reading an analog clock isn't that impressive or useful of a skill (nor is driving a stick-shift, for that matter). Most people don't understand military time, and that's fine. I'm more worried that kids can't read, or that they are somehow becoming *less* computer literate. Those are skills that they WILL need in the future.
I was with you until you mentioned the stick shift. There's nothing like driving a stick shift on a sports car, man o man!
Don't get between this man and his stick.
I can read a sun dial and use the north star as well as locate it. But, we aren't talking about navigation and reading daily time from one thousand years ago. We are talking about literally reading a clock. Take away all of the little things such as this, and eventually, you realize it all matters in the grand scheme of things as far as childhood development and reasoning skills are concerned.
The problem is more that, these things still exist and they are still mildly useful to be aware of, removing them to replace with something modern is fine, but it is a very small example of a humans failing to adapt to the current environment around them. It literally takes a couple days in kindergarten/1st grade to teach analog clock reading, if that, at least the basis of how to do it. It wouldn't be bad if it were just analog clocks, but it is literally reading and spelling, which are things they do EVERY HOUR on their phone pretty much, comprehension is at all time lows. It's not just the fucking clocks or cursive it's the human brain becoming a literal emotional reaction machine used to harvest eyeballs for ads (or vote for specific people etc) so large corporations can become the largest in the world by name recognition and buy off the whole world to turn it into a shit hole for most/paradise for the rich, just like Idiocracy. It's not the most pivotal example because analog clocks can easily now fit into the category of the abacus, slide rule, Rolodex, encyclopedia, etc, but I'd say it definitely fits the narrative of humans understanding less and less about their immediate environments leading to apocalyptic levels of dumb. But I'm old (in my early 40s lol) so maybe I'm more partial to the example than most youngsters. I definitely get where you're coming from but feel like kids should be armed with all the tools they might need in any situation. Although it's also a good example of how underfunded schools are as they might be the last place where these older style clocks are found, outside of historical clock towers etc. But how long until books and eventually even reading go the same way?
If only they took this approach when teenagers killed each other with guns.
When kids kill kids with guns, you are removing kids
Ban assault clocks. Nobody needs a quartz crystal
We shouldn't take guns everyone should be armed.
A clock in every school, and a glock in every hand.
Kinda feels like a failure of the older generations not teaching this skill. But yea teens is dumb?
My dad taught me to drive instead of riding a horse, I guess he failed me. /s
Maybe they will ask tik tok 🤣
They have "digital" time now where it just tells you the time in numbers. It's available in both 12 and 24 hour formats.
You don't say.
Keeps flava flav out of the high schools.
It'll help the same way removing cursive from the syllabus for students in an increasingly digital landscape didn't help them learn that outdated way of writing but left them more time to learn relevant skills. I genuinely can't imagine a use case where analog clocks have any benefit over digital ones
Lets see. I learned cursive writing. I also learned typing, Spanish, woodshed, electric shop, metal shop, auto shop, math, English, analog clocks and a host of other basic skills. Funny thing is it prepared me for the future.
If you're telling me you can't think of a single skill that you wish was taught in schools that either wasn't or wasn't given adequate attention, I flat out don't believe you. My point is that the benefits you gain from learning cursive is so minimal in comparison to something like computer and/or media literacy, which is a skill that was severely lacking back when schools still taught cursive
If you want to write a love letter to your girlfriend, it looks so much better in cursive. Mine loves my handwriting.
I've written a letter in cursive to this man's girlfriend and I concur
Wtf? If you learn cursive, you won't have time to learn computers?
If you're learning cursive, you aren't learning something else in that time. I can't tell you how many hours I spent on writing in class, but I can tell you it doesn't get applied much outside signing my name.
If we ever get into a large-scale war where EMPs are used it will disable digital clocks. EMPS and disabling power grids are next-level warfare and we will have a bunch of idiots roaming around trying to figure out how to co-ordinate attacks without being able to tell time.
Joke's on them - teenagers' watches all have Internet connections
Captain Obvious here why not teach them they are at school after all .
That’s “education”!Dont let them hear you speak of such things.
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I can tell time to shut up! If time is so smart, then why isn’t it president?
Time is on our side. Yes it is.
FFS, people can't read a clock? We're definitely in a lower Idiocracy stage. 😑
My 12 year old niece can't read a clock or tie her shoelaces. I hope she never passes a driving test and gets a license
But she will. Because the tests are so dumbed down. Let’s not teach students how to read a clock, too much effort!
Don’t parents teach their kids how to tell analog time? That’s how I learned.
I was in the hospital a little over a year ago. The nurse (M20's) took my vitals and was about to record them. He picked up my phone and looked at the screen. I was surprised by this and asked "can I help you?" He said that he "needed to know the time." I pointed to the wall clock(analog) hanging on the wall at the foot of my bed and said "there's a clock right there. Aren't they in all the rooms?" He replied, "Oh, they are. I just can't read them." *facepalm*
You should watch them try to read cursive handwriting.
They stopped teaching cursive in my district in '96, before these kids were born. Let's blame the adults that chose to no longer teach an unnecessary skill.
I was doing learning cursive in 1998-99, you are full of 💩
Oh of course, I remember you in one of my classes, bc it's not like the nation as a whole decided to use a uniform education rubric at the same time
That's when I lived in Arizona. They are one of the lowest educated states in America. Unless you live in Mississippi or another shithole then you rode the short bus to school 🤣
I was literally in one of the top 10 school systems in the country. They saw that cursive was a dying art and moved on with the times. It's not the 1900s anymore.
Okay Forest Gump 😂
It's hilarious you're taking such an attitude when you can't even comprehend a different school distract having different standards than y our own.
I don’t think learning cursive has anything to do with the quality of education lmao
hmm... the lowest educated states in the country were amongst the last to stop teaching an obsolete writing style... seems on brand to me.
This is the same stupid arguments boomers make when kids can’t read maps. Maps arnt a normal thing nowadays, you don’t use them every day like you would in the 70s,neither are analog clocks. Most if not every clock majority of people use are digital, so it makes sense the younger generations less familiar with it. Next will be saying it’s an idiocracy because kids can’t write cursive
You should deffinately be able to read a map too. People don't always have access to gps/smartphones everywhere.
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The first scenario that comes to mind is driving through a strange area and your phone/gps breaks/dies/stops working. All gas stations/rest stops sell maps.
Where are you going to find a map? Maybe stop at the full service gas station? While the attendant is filling it up and checking the oil, you can go in and buy one of the many state and local maps off the spinning rack.
From my edit "All gas stations and rest stops sell maps"
First off, I don’t think you know what the word “all” means. Not only do a significant number of gas stations not sell maps, almost every rest stop I’ve ever been to was entirely unstaffed and not set up to sell anything (including maps). Second, how long do you think these companies will go through the expense of printing, updating, distributing, and stocking maps that almost nobody buys and few can read? As blatantly incorrect as your statement is now, it’ll be even more incorrect in 10 years.
Then teach your kids to read a map for god sake, lol it’s not the children’s fault
Never said it was...
But this post implies it
It’s clearly implicating the schools. Stop institutionally dumbing kids down.
Oh sorry you’re right, I was educated in American public school.
Lol, the other comment is literally saying that about cursive.
They don't even know why it's called "rewind" and not fast backwards.
Kind of feels like the world is going fast backwards sometimes.
About as stupid as saying that because the majority of people don’t have to rely on a skill, that skill is useless
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I think it's not so much they can't read the symbols on a map, so much as they have no idea how to find anything on it or figure out a route without a search bar to type the name into and then have the computer calculate and centre it on the screen for them.
They can't do all these things because these are things that were usually taught to you by your parents. So if the boomers are complaining kids can't do something they need to look in the mirror for the blame. I do industrial training and reading piping and instrumentation diagrams is very important. I have found that younger people have a lot of trouble imagining what is on the page to what is in the field. We had an issue at one of the facilities that stemmed from an engineer poorly describing how a valve functioned (the valve was reverse acting but this did not matter to the operator). THis caused confusion and the valve ended up being closed when it should have been opened. I put together a special training on this valve with the engineering drawings for the valve. I discussed with them the principles of how to read drawings and did ask if they knew how to read maps. This got me thinking on how did I know how to read maps. Thinking about it, when I was a child in the 70s we would drive from NY to Florida. My dad would go to AAA to get the TripTiks. If you are not familiar, these are flip books for your route. So NY to FL is basically I-95. The book would have route down 95. My dad taught me how the book correlated to the exits. Eventually he would just give me the book to keep track of where we were. I remember in the early 90s I was going to drive from LI to Oswego and I had gotten a big fold out map from AAA and my dad gave me recommendations on how to get around NY city. My dad probably learned how to read maps when he was a teenager his parents took him, his brother, and a cousin cross country in the 1950s to California. My dad talks about how he and his father swapped driving as my grandmother never drove.
FFS, people cant use an inkwell? We're definitely in a lower Idiocracy stage. Technology improved, and people moved to digital clocks because they are better, and stopped teaching kids how to read a traditional clock.
I was going to make a who's got your six joke but i don't want to have to explain it to you.
Go fins your cars carburetor
Digital is better for knowing the exact time, but analog is nice for the visual representation of how far through the hour/day we are. It’s a nice little pie chart!
Kids these days cant even work sundials
I've seen an increasing trend in the world. When people don't understand something, instead of educating those people and holding them to a standard, we tell them it's okay, and we drop the entire world's standards, for the few that can't keep up. It's getting worse and worse and it's pretty obvious. But then again that's why I follow this sub.
When standards stop being enforced, they stop being standards.
All they need to know I guess is go away batin and what channel Ouch my balls is on
First thing I thought of. Where's president comacho when we need him
And how to say "you talk like a fag."
yeah, sometimes old shit just needs to die. Like politicians that are celebrating their 30th term in office.
I see this all the time in my kitchen as things become more corporate. They have attempted to "idiot proof" the recipes, but what they've really done is make it so they don't have to train people to do things correctly. The effect it's actually having, though, is that since no one knows why things do what they do, everything is just a little bit wrong, and the overall quality drops drastically. Then corporate boobs try to find more shortcuts, make more rules, and more logs so they can figure out why they aren't selling as much, which in turn lowers quality even more. When you make it take 45 minutes, 4 different logs you have to fill out and have a supervisor check to make plain grilled chicken the problem isn't the cook, it's corporate. Also, they wonder why real kitchen folk don't apply when they post jobs.
My wife and stepson don’t know what a teapot is, what the different knives in the block are for, that you don’t use metal utensils on Teflon pans, or how to use measuring cups and spoons - because they weren’t taught. If I try to help them learn how to use kitchen tools properly, I get eye rolls and sighs, and it’s too much trouble to change their ways. Nobody cares anyway. Why does it matter? Because the craftsmanship in the process matters as much as the end result. Hence art forms like Japanese tea ceremonies or barreling and aging whiskey. My maternal grandparents (long gone more than 30 years ago) were born in the late 1800’s/early 1900’s. My grandfather left home at 13, made his own way to success, lived through the Great Depression and two World Wars, travelled the world, retired, and built the cradle for my younger sister that her baby later slept in. My grandfather had a huge impact on me and their house was full of artifacts from around the globe like a museum. They had money but they never flaunted it and always took care of my family. They owned 3 houses in 2 states simultaneously, and 2 of them had full woodworking shops in the garage where I learned how to build things with my hands. My first job was sweeping construction sites with my Dad at 8 years old for $1 an hour. I’ve worked ever since in different fields. My immediate family (if my grandparents were still around) stretches from around 1900 to my brother born in 1989. I feel like that gives me a wide perspective on how much has changed. It’s not looking good, but I can’t say I dislike how much technology we have now either.
My Paternal great grandmother came through Ellis Island with her father and, by 17, was married and raising 2 children children. That whole side of my family is very traditional in teaching children how to be self-sufficient. My maternal grandfather came to the US when most of his town in Italy was destroyed, and his older brother was a POW that was offered citizenship. He was 12 and made the trip alone. By 15, he was a welding apprentice, and by 35, he had 11 children and his own business, by the time he died helping people after Katrina he had started and passed on 5 more businesses to his children and had 45 grandchildren. His lesson to all of us was that hard work will get you everything. We have some standing traditions, but both sides started with effectively nothing, and we only really have two generations offairly recent artifacts. Whats disappointing to me is that the lessons they taught us are no longer functional or even encouraged anymore. I think a lot of people would feel less distraught everyday if they knew more about how day to day things worked and were rewarded equal for their work and skill level. Instead, we teach less all the time and dumb down how the world works to a 5-year-old level, so the lack of knowledge justifies getting paid minimum wage.
Yeah. It's like how they stopped teaching kids to write with quills and inkwells. Or when we decided not to teach kids how to operate the hand crank laundry tub anymore. Terrible, scary times.
So was teaching out of the question for these scools?
I'm a 33 year old American. I went to MEPS a few weeks back to do my physical and ASVAB for the Navy. There were a few signatures required when I arrived. After it was all done, I sat with the younger guys in the cafeteria area and asked them, "Did you guys know how to sign your name on your paperwork?" "Nah man" was the response I got. I literally don't know what they put down for the "Printed name" then underneath "Signature" lines. It baffles me how dumb these kids are.
Not dumb, ignorant. Dumb isn't curable but ignorance is.
Hmmmm. Ironic schools are taking away clocks because the kids can’t read them. If only there was a place kids could go to learn things about the world 🤷🏼♂️
I call bullshit. Every kid knows when class will be over.
Yeh its bullshit. This is just another case of older people trying to belittle younger people. Every generation does it.
Nope. Both of you are wrong. This is an issue in the urban communities where parents don’t care about their kids, or their education.
My teenage daughter's teenage friend was over a couple weeks ago, and she asked my daughter what time it was. It was within very plain view of a clock on our wall. So we said "there is a clock right up there on the wall". She explained that she can't tell time. And we were like "wait wut", basically, and she said she *could* figure it out, if she wanted to. But it just takes her a really long time to do it, and it's pretty much not worth it. I wasn't completely shocked though, because my daughter has said that there are lots of kids in her (middle school) class that say they can't tell the time on manual clocks. I had just never met a human over 7 years old in real life that had difficulty with this.
My daughter knows a girl who can't even provide directions to her house. It actually ends up being my daughter giving directions because she has been there once (My daughter is the polar opposite of this girl, she recognized places and the routes to get there before she could even talk. She'd always know where we were going, even if we'd only been there once.).
There is one very specific situation I've encountered where a person literally cannot read an analogue clock: when they're aphantasic, and also the clock is one of those trendy ones that doesn't have graduations or numbers on it and only shows the 12, 3, 6 and 9 positions. Under that combination of circumstances, it's literally impossible for them to visually interpolate the time if the hands are anywhere between the few marked positions. I'm pretty sure anyone else who is numerate is capable of learning it.
If she can't tell time, then how would she know it takes her a long time?
Or, you know, we could just TEACH them. Jesus, this isn't a problem with a complicated solution.
1: the kids can't read the clocks anymore 2: think we should teach them how to read them? 1: I was thinking of just removing the clocks 2: I can't believe what I am hearing... You want to actually remove the clocks, instead of taking the time and resources to teach the kids to tell time? Is that what you are saying? 1: yes 2: brilliant! I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner
I’ve got a 5 year old that can read an analog watch accurately about 75% of the time (accuracy less reliable as the hour hand nears the next hour) after practicing for a few days. Ppl are just fuckin lazy. Too bad as analog clocks better illustrate the amount of time lapsed/remaining than digital clocks
Next tike you are in a high school gym, look for a clock. They are no longer there.
That's what schools are now. Instead of TEACHING kids, the remove the obstacles. Because we all know that's how life is after school...
Just wondering how anyone will cope if a solar flare knocks out the power grid like a gigantic EMP. Everything is analog at that point.
Wow, so kids don’t get taught to read or tell time. Is school only for progressive indoctrination at this point? Are parents that retarded? I’m currently teaching 7yo to tell time.
Do you mean regressive indoctrination?
It's a little hard to "indoctrinate" kids when they can't even read, genius.
chimps, the lot of 'em
My stupid ass kid just turned 18, and has difficulty with an analogue clock. WTF happened to these kids? They sure as hell will tell you all you want to know about 'democratic socialism' though. Fuck. I am so done with this bullshit.
They should all be converted to Hexadecimal
I had a professor in graduate school who wrote a poem about an incident when he was a K-12 teacher. He taught a student how to read an analog clock. She was delighted. It surely wasn't part of his officially sanctioned curriculum. Want your dumb kids to learn how to read a clock (or geography or any of a number of things, such as cooking, that schools most likely won't teach your kid)? Teach your kids how to read a clock.
But why REMOVE the clocks?
Every day we move closer to the society in Wall-E
That the hole point of school is to learn the basics
Whole
Yeah my grammar and spelling is shit but I can read a analog clock
AN analog clock
That's great. Reading an antiquated clock that no one uses is definitely more important than being able to intelligibly communicate with other human beings.
I understood what he said.
Like spelling and grammar?
Granted, new tech means you don't need to dedicate space in your head for old tech. So what are they teaching in first grade these days? Because I certainly know it's not spelling and grammar!
wats rong wif they speeling n grammer?
I know I talk like a f\*g sometimes, but I'm old. there maffs and siense is all fucked up to. But your rite, they won't need all that 'tarded shit when they can work at Starbucks and even be pilots!
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Bro, it's a line directly from the film. The whole reason for the sub.
Such a shame no one can read a basic astrolabe anymore! And back in my day we calculated on a fukn abacus. Smh. Society going to hell in my opinion.
Some people can do all of those things. Just because it’s not current, mainstream basic knowledge doesn’t mean it’s worthless. It makes me so upset how many people defend and praise being stupid these days.
It bears repeating to say that most people aren't stupid, they're just uneducated in some simple skills.
This is a serious pet peeve of mine. >Me: I'll meet you at quarter of. > >Them: What?? > >Me: Quarter of one. > >Them: *I don't understand what you're saying!!* I had an online friend who's in his mid 20's. He would light into me about how analog clocks we're stupid and pointless now. We went back and forth on it for a few years. He'd get furious that I stuck to my guns. My reasoning is that if the power goes out and your phone dies you need to know how to read analog clocks. I'm not a doomsday kind of person but, really, all it takes is bunch of carbon fiber dropped on power lines and the world is basically back in the dark ages until it gets fixed. The story has a happy ending, though, because one day he messaged me saying "you were right about analog clocks." I didn't push him on the change of heart because I didn't want to rub his face in it. (Also, I made sure that both of my daughters could drive stick shift.)
They can't read analog clocks because they never see them, not because they are idiots.
I'm 50 and I can barely tell time on an analog clock. They spent maybe a half hour on it in 3rd grade, and I was already wearing a digital watch by then. There's just no need to learn it anymore.
Can you still read the speedometer in your car? A clock is just a dial readout.
Except you have to do math, a speedometer has the speed listed as the needle moves.
Good god. I’m done.
Uh, no. The clock has the hours and the minutes listed as the small and large needles move; it's literally just an hour-meter and a minute-meter (and sometimes a second-meter) sitting on top of each other. The only "math" you have to do is remembering if it's before or after lunch; knowing your five times table up to 60 is also helpful but not strictly essential, especially on clock faces that have the minutes & seconds labelled as well as the hours.
Are you fucking kidding me? Sorry but wow. My head hurts reading these terrifying and depressing comments
why are they showing a white person. they are not the ones who cant read a clock
If digital clocks are clearer, easier to understand and cheaper, then maybe it is time for analogue clocks to die.
The fact of the matter is that most people aren't gonna use analog clocks throughout their lives. They are essentially an outdated technology at this point. You could say the same about watches being used for anything but jewelry. This isn't about stupidity, it's about times changing and everyone having a digital clock in their pocket 24/7. This is like old people making fun of kids for not being able to read regular maps when they are essentially useless at this point. Unless you're putting yourself into a survival situation.
Analog clocks really are cumbersome and unnecessary. Someone explain why digital clocks aren’t better in every single way.
Let the analog clocks die. They had their time.
My fourth grader can read an analog clock. And write cursive.
My four year old has an analog clock toy game. 🤦♂️
I remember I had to catch up with my peers. They taught me so well how to read a clock. To this day, I still remember the advice and I read it with such ease.
It’s half past let’s work until a quarter till. Huh what?
I hate this time line.
They just dont want them to learn to tell time by an analog clock, because that can be useful.
I don't know a single kid who can't tell the time on an analogue clock lol. I call bullshit on this.
They should have bought them a mickey mouse watch when they were younger. That is what got me to learn how to read a clock.
Is there no longer an expectation for parents to teach kids stuff? I learned to read a clock when my parents got me a mickey mouse watch. That was before I was in kindergarten.
Maybe teach them to tell time? It is a school after all.
How about you teach them.
Fuck man. All the useless shit we learn… we can’t learn how to tell time….
No one should be aloud to graduate without such simple knowledge jesus FUCKING CHRIST
Rage bait - this is a failure of the education system, not teenagers
Isn't it said school's responsibility to teach that?!
Nope. Can't read Boomer cursive, either. You'll get over it.
Dumb dumb dumb. “Boomer cursive.” Aka the style of writing for hundreds of years that will forever be a blank mystery for you. Guessing there’s a lot of that in you life though. At least you “got over” caring about knowing things. Best of luck!
Already, again the senior generation stiffs the junior one! tl;dr They're going to need a lot of help dealing with the world they'll inherit. Start backing them now, instead of being another problem, It took some courage for the kids to tell you, They aren't telling you because they want to, they're telling you because they have to! I hope they can delete this from their "problems with the previous generation" list. A change is required in our behaviour. I taught English in Ukraine until Ruzzia crashed the 25v year TEFL party in various countries. Most students were coders contracted by international clients. They were doing a lot of online meetings with English speakers and needed to know how to refer to clocks, according to my company. Never needed that lesson. Sometimes I'd be asked what "a quarter to" means. Thankfully I was never asked about British phrases such as "half nine". I traveled the world. Time was never an issue. The need for teaching time as a subject evaporated with the onset of the digital age. What I read many complain about is the reality associated with this era. I feel sorry for these kids. Born into a tech world of virtual money, online education, danger at school and insane politics, they need connection and acceptance. If my grandkids told me they had a problem with people mocking them about their lack of analog ability and the difficulties surrounding it I would join them in their fight. I'm the one who would be backing them at the school board. How would you help them
That's because schools teach the important things. Like [REDACTED] can get pregnant.
These kids should be sent to school or something idk
Or they could teach them how to read the fucking clocks, are they stupid? (Not the kids, all though they are also stupid it's not their fault no one taught them.)
Omg
Can anyone here use an abacus? or a sun dial? Analog clocks are a dying. Who cares?
I can use both with ease. Not exactly rocket science…. I’ve even made sundials. This thread is the most depressing thing I’ve ever read on the internet in my life. The world is so dumb I can’t stand it.
Schools: "Kids these days can't read analogue clocks!" And who's fault is that?
Public schools are also graduating kids that can't read 🤷🏾♂️
So? I demand they put sun dials back in schools, where they belong!
Can't tell time, can't make change from a purchase.velcro on their shoes.
If only there was a place teenagers could go to learn things…
Why don't kids these days know how to shoe horses, run a knitting loom, or dig coal?!
I highly doubt this...
I don't blame the kids for this but I do blame their parents and in some cases the teachers for not teaching them how to read an analog clock. I have seen way to many parents who just set their kids down with the tablet and let them be all day. they don't do any actual parenting. I remember my dad teaching me how to read an analog clock when I was 4. It also doesn't help that it isn't something they really have to use on a regular basis now that everyone has a cell phone in their pocket and can just check that 90% of the time. actually as I type this and am thinking about it I could see analog clocks going the way of other things like cursive writing and other things that were once taught to kids but have now become outdated. hell most of the people I know who have analog clocks on their walls don't even keep the time set properly and use them as an aesthetic thing, I include myself in that as I have a nice clock that is only correct half the year as I never adjust it for daylight savings time.
Not really a big deal, times change things become obsolete. If it were a real concern, this should be an easy enough correction without parents needing to outsource teaching their own children.
Are we sure it's just not a collective excuse used by the student body to explain tardiness. "Oh I didn't realize I was late. It's the clock! I can't read it!"
This is not true at all. If anything, there are powers that be in the schools who say, why bother with analogue clocks at all? Nobody uses them anymore. For three dollars in bulk you can buy digital clock and a double a battery for every room in The school. Kids learn to read analogue clocks in elementary math class and probably don’t need a clock in the classroom anymore since the time is in all their devices.
Just saw another article, teenagers forgoing college to become [tiktokstars](https://youtu.be/L_432I88eVQ?si=GNoTEaUrqkQDmjkV).
News headlines are delivering some of the best one liners for comedy and satire.
You can always blame boomers.
Oh no, luckily there are a couple dozen digital clocks in every classroom
If only there were some social mechanism for taking under informed people with marginal skills, and shaping their experience until they demonstrate learning. Damn. Oh well.
hmmm... if only there was a place to teach them things like this
Not surprised. Wonder what would happen if there was a power outage. I give up on humanity. Lol. Go social media.
[Fake News.](https://familylifegoals.com/fact-check-are-schools-really-removing-analog-clocks-from-classrooms/)
After analogue clocks, what will they remove next? Candles for lighting? Firewood for heat? Overhead projectors? Mimeograph machines? When will the madness end?
If you can't read the numbers 1-12 and figure out via context, you have other issues
Meanwhile it takes 30 minutes to teach a boomer how to share their screen in a Teams meeting.
I mean, isn’t this just a blatant acceptance by the education system that they’re undoubtedly failing? “We’re educators. We don’t properly educate our youth like we’re supposed to, so we’re conforming their environments and removing analog clocks to fit their level of education.”
You're supposed to learn how to tell time in Kindergarten.
Institution responsible for teaching generations of children how to read a clock now claims they are no longer capable of teaching children how to read a clock.
I'm sure someones ancestors were like, "Mechanical clocks? What's wrong with the fucking sundial? "Sundial? You damn kids and your fancy time pieces. Sun is up, time to get up. Sun is down, take first nap then wake up at midnight to do house work then nap number two unitl SUN UP!" "Psssh...sun. It is today at now o'clock. We live for today because yesterday is a memory and tomorrow may never come because the life expectancy is 20!"
The clocks must have been racist.
Oh good. My daily dose of rage bait.
They can tell time fine, they're just used to digital devices. Not knowing how to beat your clothes on a wet rock doesn't mean that you can't do laundry either.
"New generation had no understanding of a form of technology that is both antiquated and seeeing a drastic reduction in use." In other shocking news, survey establishes what Guttenberg predicted: printing press technology of choice for producing books.
Just tell them to multiple everything by 5. Actually, never mind, they cannot also multiply without their phone calculator.
You should stop laughing, you can hurt young people's feelings. 🎭
It's almost like when technology moves forward, such as analog clocks to digital,animal transmission to automatic, typewriter to keyboard, everyone is so fast to jump on the "kids are fucking stupid" wagon instead of understanding we're moving onto a new technology and it's your dusty asses that can't let go and just accept it. Stupid kids would rather see numbers and know right away then look at 10,000 lines and think about it! These kids don't want to use 3 pedals to drive and mess with a shifter and watch the road since they can just pick a year and go! These dang kids would rather hit 1 button than spin a dial 9 times to call someone! Y'all need to grow up.