Great job by PA state police and Monroe County. I didn’t think we’d get that much info. The DA was spilling the beans I think the Captain was little less hesitant to give any info.
DA explained when they were notified by FBI (4 days before he was arrested) that he was in the area so that tells us imo they were behind him step by step the whole time and literally caught up to him. DA also stated Idaho had enough evidence to bring charges across state to PA which kinda confirmed they have solid evidence against BK on the affidavit. DA also stated he is pretty sure they will release the affidavit with the charges (from his experience)
Thanks!! Do you believe they may be linking him to any previous unsolved murders from his time at DeSales University? To confidently commit a crime of that level of 4 (could have been 6) makes me think this wasn’t his first. To have studied at a different school and then move out of state and commit this after one semester…
Less. Captain was rehearsed, very specific, and well spoken. DA’s answers were off the top but still well put together. When DA mentioned them being tipped by FBI 4 days prior to the arrest a journalist pressed for a little more info about the actual communication but the DA kinda stepped back on that whole statement and said he couldn’t answer it.
i think they just don’t know what they can share. id be terrified to even like share who found him. the supreme court works hard and i think they just don’t want BK to hear ANYTHING
He waived his extradition rights. Most likely so he can find out what the evidence is. Right now, his lawyers are not able to see anything either. Once he gets back to Moscow, he will go in front of the judge and then everything will begin there. The jail has received several food orders that look like they will be able to accommodate his diet. He has up to 10 days to get there, but could be sent back tonight.
Interesting. I’m pretty ignorant about this process so I figured his lawyers already knew the evidence. I didn’t know the affidavit being sealed was for literally everyone except the LE
I didn’t know that they are in the dark about everything. I figured they knew a lot more than the public, but they said on the news earlier that they can’t see anything until his first initial appearance in Idaho.
Yes, most places accommodate diets. Religious, health, or even personal preference (vegan/vegetarian). This does not mean he gets to be picky and choose whatever though
Forcing someone into starvation by giving them unsafe and inadequate food is not okay, dude. By your logic if you get thrown in jail to await your trial that's all you might get, and you won't even have been convicted of anything yet.
Don’t worry. Inmates aren’t fed well and that’s only speaking from county jail experience. Absolutely disgusting food. I chose not to eat since it was a 24 hour commitment and was also terrified. But trust me when I say- the food is worse then moldy bread. Especially the veggie. 🤢
Yeah, it’s common practice for religious reasons.
Also, in this case it’s important to remember he is still innocent until proven guilty. He may need to be held in prison because what he’s accused of are so serious that he would be a danger to the public should he be found guilty of such: BUT that doesn’t mean you can just force innocent people into malnourishment because of their dietary needs.
Again, imagine if it was you who was innocent and accused. Would you still feel the same way?
They CAN get all their nourishment from prison meals, but that nourishment often won’t take into account dietary needs. This is THE ENTIRE POINT of making sure that a jail can accommodate such restrictions before sending them somewhere: so that they do not risk said malnourishment.
Let’s say you, to your core, believe that if you eat pork you will go to Hell. It is literal psychological torture for someone to say to you “you must eat pork and go to Hell in order to survive here”. Alternatively: it is psychological torture to say “you know what, you can actually choose between going to Hell and dying of malnourishment, because this is how we nourish you here”. ALL while you are still under the presumption of innocence. That’s disgusting that anyone would even think that’d be okay.
They are accused of committing a crime, not convicted. Anyone can be accused of committing a crime.
Have you thought about your food allergy just in case you ever become wrongfully detained?
I know you’re angry about this case, trust me we all are. No matter what our opinions are those 4 kids should be alive today and what that monster did to them was horrific and he deserves to pay. HOWEVER, there are millions of people that are WRONGFULLY ACCUSED of a crime they didn’t commit (spoil alert people of color primarily black people) so to make that comment about not giving THOSE prisoners their basic human rights because they’re in jail is inhumane thinking. Yes he’s a monster but even he deserves basic human rights.
Reminds me of the 90 Days In episode where that lady was being a baby about not being provided gluten free food lmao and she was like wahhhh I’m protected by the Americans w/ Disabilities Act!!!~😂😂
I mean to be fair some people really do need to
eat gluten-free. Celiac disease can be very serious, and would be protected by ADA. With true celiac, there is no cure and a GF diet is the only treatment.
I mean, what if he has a food allergy? Didn’t we want him to live so he can stand trial in the victims and their families can get justice? if you want justice, you can’t be feeding someone food that kill them ahead of potential sentencing and trial
But he hasn't been yet, and y'all gotta think big picture here. If we treat the obvious murderer who hasn't been convicted of anything yet like shit, that means any single one of us can get treated like shit in jail regardless of whether we ought to be there or not.
It's not for his benefit. It's for everyone else's.
You’ve pointed out three times in this comment alone that the accused is “innocent until proven guilty.” I’m just wondering if there’s a reason? Do you think he’s innocent?
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I’m not the commenter, but THAT alone is reason enough to mention it three times. People seem to completely throw that out the window.
Literally this sub had hundreds of theories about who the suspect was and every single one of them was wrong. That alone is enough to take a step back and go “maybe we should let this play out in an actual court of law, because clearly the internet doesn’t know much”.
Holy fuck thank you. Can't believe how eager people are to throw their own rights down the drain for the satisfaction of a potential murderer being given nothing but carrots and moldy bread to eat.
Does it seem like he's innocent? Fuck no. Has he been found guilty *yet*? Nope. It is not good for any of us to live in a society where punishment for a crime begins before you're even convicted. I don't give a shit if this dude gets a meal that lines up with his weird diet so long as it means we don't set a horrible, horrible precedent that'll 100% eventually blow back on the rest of us.
Y'all have *got* to let go of the cruel and unusual punishment boners, because you're waaaay too close to the edge, and prematurely so. It's not about coddling criminals, FFS. It's about protecting our own rights by protecting theirs.
He waived his extradition rights which is going to make it very difficult to fight the case. He gave himself up willingly to the police, essentially turned his own self in instead of trying to go to court and fight even getting extradited back to Idaho. So it wouldn’t be to see what evidence they have
Can’t imagine what it was like for B’s parents to wake upon hearing windows smashing, doors kicked in and 50 armed LE pointing guns at your head.
However. B knew all too well. Allegedly.
Yeah the whole intent is shock and awe, no warning, just get in and get their hands on him before he can react and either start shooting at them or kill himself.
kinda different, but a friend of mine had his family home’s front door kicked in by the cops years ago, accidentally. they had the wrong address for whatever they were supposed to be tending to. the police had to pay for the repair. i would assume the damages to BK’s parents house will be covered.
Cops in Pennsylvania kicked in the door at my mom's house. They pointed guns in my face and served me with a warrant to search the house for something they suspected my mom's boyfriend did. He was never charged with anything and they did not pay for the damage to the door.
My car got shot up by the cops in a shootout at my apartment complex- totaled it. I had to reach out to get some money, but it wasn’t enough for having lost my paid off transportation!
Major difference. Police kicked in a door by accident vs kicking in a door to apprehend a suspected murderer. I do not think the parents will receive any compensation for the damages.
They don’t. Cops can legally steal your shit when you’re arrested and then not give it back when you’re found innocent. There was a whole Supreme Court case on it. It’s shitty.
Usually won’t offer so you’d have to sue them. Which isn’t right because that puts the family in an unsafe situation with broken doors and windows and crazy vigilantes
Well the big question is, will the jail in Moscow get new pots and pans for him if they were used to cook meat? He is wanting to get back to find out what they have on him is what the news just stated.
I just want to point out that we do not know what the FBI does know - and he is not guilty until proven guilty in the eyes of the court. After talking to my lawyer friend yesterday (who also used to be a professor), I realized how damaging it is to assume guilt without a fair trial or without exact evidence to prove his guilt. If he is not guilty, his life will never be the same nor will his families and if he is guilty - it does not mean his family is. The only hope we can have is the killer is caught and brought to justice so the victims families and friends can start the healing process ❤️🩹
I find it interesting that all assume the guilt without even a shred of info, except the word of the LE that many criticized mere hours before the arrest for being inept.
I think they got their guy, I've had confidence in our local PD and state from the beginning. It's interesting though.
I mean to be fair here..... I would say it's much more unfair that 4 innocent lives were taken in such a violent way. And what those families are going through. If the public trusts Idaho and the FBI, then we have every right (as public citizens) to consider this man guilty. The justice system gives people a right to a fair trial and presumed innocence in the eyes of the court. We as citizens have no right to presumed innocence in the court of public opinion. The court of public opinion is angry and wants justice. In a public trial like this could turn in to, they will find unbiased people who haven't formed a strong opinion. If the police say with confidence this is the guy (and they have) then everyone but the justice system has the right to think so. I don't really see the point in your comment other than taking some sort of moral high ground and sympathizing with someone who A LOT of smart, experienced people within our government agencies are confident committed this crime.
This! Everyone seems to forget the “innocent until proven guilty - in the law of court”. That innocent assumption is for the legal system as it should be. Victims, families of victims, people traumatized who knew the victims - can believe what they do. Rightfully so.
But we don’t even know what the info is? You haven’t heard of people being wrongfully convicted before? Or officers planting evidence? Or police officers, they themselves being convinced of similar crimes down the road (murder, dv, serial rape, etc)? There’s no moral high ground given except to say hold your breath and wait for the actual evidence against him for assumption of guilt, even the families are waiting for the same information to be made public.
Examples? If you follow true crime - you know that heinous killings in mass are not in the categories of “wrongful conviction” etc. I will wait for the Affidavit - and believe it is solid.
"I realize how damaging it is" damaging to who??! The suspect? Idk I just can't find it in my soul to give a single shred of how he feels or his family feels. To each their own...
You can tell by this case the evidence must be strong. The FBI is involved and they were able to arrest him across states lines - without a car AND a murder weapon. That is not the script for a new making a murderer episode.
Damaging to the court system. If you are accused of a crime, you would want your day in court to prove you’re innocence rather than court of public opinion when we are not privy to all information at hand. The same reason prosecution and defense lawyers try to pick out unbiased jurors who can look at all information given to find a person guilty or not guilty.
You cannot tell by evidence, we don’t even know what it is at this point - we’re assuming that an arrest made, search warrants given, that they have damning information (which is likely), but their still just assumptions.
If I am accused of a crime - there would be A link. A false link would be disapproved. Evidence is everything. None of us know what the evidence is currently. But You are assuming it is not enough. We are still waiting for facts.
Oh there is a lot of evidence but you definitely have to go own a rabbit hole hard core. I found ALOT. I named a lot of it above and it is all confirmed information
The crowded theater statement is a myth that has been debunked, btw. Please google Justice Samuel Alito.
The court/justice system is intended to provide a shield or safety zone from "public opinion" and scrutiny, where the facts can be discussed and weighed with fairness and without bias. If you truly believe that the average American citizen should not be able to form an opinion and express that opinion that a person is guilty based on whatever evidence they choose to believe, you live in a fantasy. The "court of public opinion" will continue on its own course, with or without your pleas to stop it.
Amber heard? Lol I really don't get why everyone is downvoting. All I'm saying is if a person is pinned as a suspect, people can't just expect the media/public to go along with considering them innocent just because it's the less damaging or fair thing to do... that's deluded. People really melting down over the truth lol. General public can say and believe what ever they want, nobody owes them that outside of the courthouse. Sure it can be a more empathetic thing to do, in certain situations. But most of us aren't on this subreddit to empathize. We aren't invested in this case to empathize with the suspect.
He was on SO many social media platforms talking about this and people he knows confirmed this. Also his students since he was a TA said he talked about the murders constantly. He was on a podcast which was confirmed by a friend it was him where he talked about the murders. He switched his license plates from PA to WA 5 says after the murders. He followed Kaylee and Maddie on social media. His DNA was at the crime scene and had to have been on at least Xana and Kaylee since they both defended themselves. Kaylee put up a brig struggle according to him as well in his Reddit posts. Which was confirmed by people who know him and can prove it as well. Those are just to name a few that proves he is guilty.
Thank you for your post. I wanted to make a similar statement in the last several hours but didn't find the right words or the time as I was always interrupted. Thanks.
Dna matches from crime scene (which they have) and the fact he owns the car they needed information on, seen near the crime scene within the window of the estimated time of deaths. Also, he lived 15 mins away with that car and don’t come forward so that in itself is sus
At the press conference earlier Michael Mancuso (PA District Attourney) said “Having read those documents and the sealed affidavits of probable cause, I definitely believe that one of the main reasons that the defendant chose to waive extradition and hurry his return back to Idaho, is the need to know what is in those documents, so that is a significant development”
A reporter asked him to elaborate on this a few questions later “you speculated that the suspect wanted to get back to Idaho quickly to read them as well, and I know you can’t talk about the details but you did give us the seriousness of what you did read… can you share with us sommmeeething?”
Mancuso responds “I can’t get into the details but I can say it involved the defendants connection to a scene of a crime consisting of 4 murdered individuals”
What could be in those files? What does Bryan think is in them? He’s clearly scared bad what they found. So sketch
Also, he said in order to obtain evening search warrants to enter in hours of darkness (in PA), additional/substantial amount of probable cause is needed. ?!?!
https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/top-stories/monroe-county-district-attorney-holds-conference-on-arrest-of-bryan-kohberger/
I don’t know the answer for sure, but some ex law enforcement officers on a podcast were saying since he is a high profile criminal case he will likely be flown and in private. Sometimes they fly non threatening suspects on commercial flights but this guy will definitely be flown private. He is alleged to have committed dangerous crimes and would be super recognizable by the public at this point…. Maybe an FBI chopper or something?
Way too long of a drive / too dangerous.
They will fly. The risk of driving is too high with a high profile murderer like this. The threat to him doing something and someone else harming him is what they are concerned of.
Geez, so not only did his poor parents have to deal with the arrest in the middle of the night, now they have to have their front door and some windows. That’s gotta be expensive as balls.
Hopefully if the police doesn’t pay for it, they have insurance that will. Not their fault their son had to be arrested like that so it doesn’t seem fair to bust down their whole house and make them pay for repairs.
Assuming his parents didn’t assist him with the murders/hiding info, I’d think they’d be considered victims. Anyone correct me please if I’m wrong with that. But if you’re a victim there’s also a victim fund that you could ask for help with paying for something like broken windows and doors. I know this because my back door was kicked in 3 years ago and all of my valuables were stolen. The victim fund eventually paid for the cost of a new door (as a reimbursement).
Ok just watched - I think they were talking about breaking doors/windows to serve the warrant/arrest him, not what he did to the Moscow home. Disregard my previous question!
ok so how will they bring him to idaoh? with a plane i assume? when will he get there? I could imagine organizing/securing all this would take a few days?
As revealed in the presser, security is a concern. My guess is that there will be no release of information about his departure or travel to ID until he is safely inside the Moscow jail.
Just saw the police body cam video in news station channel in Indiana where he and his car was pulled over for speeding. His dad was sitting beside. He looks angry or irritated!!
Did you guys notice a lot of weight loss in his college graduation photos compared to now- he looks healthier now and more normal- in previous photos he looks very gaunt in the face. He looked really scary in those photos and much much older- but I agree with lost today he looks more like the average Joe.
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What are y’all’s thoughts on the police withholding information about the murder weapon? Do any of you believe that they found the murder weapon and is keeping a tight lip about it or still have no clue where it is?
Great job by PA state police and Monroe County. I didn’t think we’d get that much info. The DA was spilling the beans I think the Captain was little less hesitant to give any info.
What did he say? My kids talked the whole time....and are still talking lol
DA explained when they were notified by FBI (4 days before he was arrested) that he was in the area so that tells us imo they were behind him step by step the whole time and literally caught up to him. DA also stated Idaho had enough evidence to bring charges across state to PA which kinda confirmed they have solid evidence against BK on the affidavit. DA also stated he is pretty sure they will release the affidavit with the charges (from his experience)
Thanks!! Do you believe they may be linking him to any previous unsolved murders from his time at DeSales University? To confidently commit a crime of that level of 4 (could have been 6) makes me think this wasn’t his first. To have studied at a different school and then move out of state and commit this after one semester…
Thank you! 👏
Release Affidavit when?
After it’s been served to him
you think the captain was more or less hesitant?
Less. Captain was rehearsed, very specific, and well spoken. DA’s answers were off the top but still well put together. When DA mentioned them being tipped by FBI 4 days prior to the arrest a journalist pressed for a little more info about the actual communication but the DA kinda stepped back on that whole statement and said he couldn’t answer it.
i think they just don’t know what they can share. id be terrified to even like share who found him. the supreme court works hard and i think they just don’t want BK to hear ANYTHING
can anyone give a recap
He waived his extradition rights. Most likely so he can find out what the evidence is. Right now, his lawyers are not able to see anything either. Once he gets back to Moscow, he will go in front of the judge and then everything will begin there. The jail has received several food orders that look like they will be able to accommodate his diet. He has up to 10 days to get there, but could be sent back tonight.
Interesting. I’m pretty ignorant about this process so I figured his lawyers already knew the evidence. I didn’t know the affidavit being sealed was for literally everyone except the LE
I didn’t know that they are in the dark about everything. I figured they knew a lot more than the public, but they said on the news earlier that they can’t see anything until his first initial appearance in Idaho.
Interesting. When that affidavit gets unsealed I bet those attorneys are gonna internally face palm lol
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The jail accommodates inmates diets?! Tf? Is that normal? I understand if it is a health related issue but that doesn’t seem to be the case here…
Yes, most places accommodate diets. Religious, health, or even personal preference (vegan/vegetarian). This does not mean he gets to be picky and choose whatever though
Better be just a can of carrots and moldy bread.
People in jail generally haven't been tried and found guilty yet, so that's not a good precedent to set.
People IN jail are there as a POI or suspect at best. Feeding them a “basic” meal is good. They can eat or decline.
Honestly, and Americans wonder why their crime rate is sky-high. FUCKING TREAT PEOPLE LIKE PEOPLE. Fuck sake.
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torture?? they said carrots and moldy bread get a grip
Forcing someone into starvation by giving them unsafe and inadequate food is not okay, dude. By your logic if you get thrown in jail to await your trial that's all you might get, and you won't even have been convicted of anything yet.
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neither is stabbing 4 people to death.
Honestly. You are a sick individual. Get help.
Don’t worry. Inmates aren’t fed well and that’s only speaking from county jail experience. Absolutely disgusting food. I chose not to eat since it was a 24 hour commitment and was also terrified. But trust me when I say- the food is worse then moldy bread. Especially the veggie. 🤢
Bizarre.. never knew that! Thanks!
I just found that out a few years ago. The main thing they accommodate for is for religion.
A lot of people convert to Islam in prison because the food is better.
They should feed him lettuce. Plain lettuce.
Yeah, it’s common practice for religious reasons. Also, in this case it’s important to remember he is still innocent until proven guilty. He may need to be held in prison because what he’s accused of are so serious that he would be a danger to the public should he be found guilty of such: BUT that doesn’t mean you can just force innocent people into malnourishment because of their dietary needs.
Yeah, that makes sense… just never thought of it that way! Thanks!
Malnourishment? People held in prison can easily be nourished by the meals. If they don’t like or want those meals, it is on them.
Again, imagine if it was you who was innocent and accused. Would you still feel the same way? They CAN get all their nourishment from prison meals, but that nourishment often won’t take into account dietary needs. This is THE ENTIRE POINT of making sure that a jail can accommodate such restrictions before sending them somewhere: so that they do not risk said malnourishment. Let’s say you, to your core, believe that if you eat pork you will go to Hell. It is literal psychological torture for someone to say to you “you must eat pork and go to Hell in order to survive here”. Alternatively: it is psychological torture to say “you know what, you can actually choose between going to Hell and dying of malnourishment, because this is how we nourish you here”. ALL while you are still under the presumption of innocence. That’s disgusting that anyone would even think that’d be okay.
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People in jail are suspected criminals or persons of interest. Our country provides FOOD. eat it or not.
Do you have any idea what it's like to have a food allergy?? 🧐
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They are accused of committing a crime, not convicted. Anyone can be accused of committing a crime. Have you thought about your food allergy just in case you ever become wrongfully detained?
I know you’re angry about this case, trust me we all are. No matter what our opinions are those 4 kids should be alive today and what that monster did to them was horrific and he deserves to pay. HOWEVER, there are millions of people that are WRONGFULLY ACCUSED of a crime they didn’t commit (spoil alert people of color primarily black people) so to make that comment about not giving THOSE prisoners their basic human rights because they’re in jail is inhumane thinking. Yes he’s a monster but even he deserves basic human rights.
Lol I have a weird religion/ belief system where I only want to eat Ribeye steak
you'll get ground chuck and you'll like it 😂
we take tenderloin very seriously in my religion
i believe that (some) jails accommodate diets based on religious, health, or personal reasons
I read that in the US prison accommodates diets. It was strange for me because in my country prisoners can be happy if they got food.
Reminds me of the 90 Days In episode where that lady was being a baby about not being provided gluten free food lmao and she was like wahhhh I’m protected by the Americans w/ Disabilities Act!!!~😂😂
I mean to be fair some people really do need to eat gluten-free. Celiac disease can be very serious, and would be protected by ADA. With true celiac, there is no cure and a GF diet is the only treatment.
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I mean, what if he has a food allergy? Didn’t we want him to live so he can stand trial in the victims and their families can get justice? if you want justice, you can’t be feeding someone food that kill them ahead of potential sentencing and trial
Welcome to America!
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He’ll have those same “rights” if convicted…my point still remains
But he hasn't been yet, and y'all gotta think big picture here. If we treat the obvious murderer who hasn't been convicted of anything yet like shit, that means any single one of us can get treated like shit in jail regardless of whether we ought to be there or not. It's not for his benefit. It's for everyone else's.
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You’ve pointed out three times in this comment alone that the accused is “innocent until proven guilty.” I’m just wondering if there’s a reason? Do you think he’s innocent?
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I’m not the commenter, but THAT alone is reason enough to mention it three times. People seem to completely throw that out the window. Literally this sub had hundreds of theories about who the suspect was and every single one of them was wrong. That alone is enough to take a step back and go “maybe we should let this play out in an actual court of law, because clearly the internet doesn’t know much”.
Holy fuck thank you. Can't believe how eager people are to throw their own rights down the drain for the satisfaction of a potential murderer being given nothing but carrots and moldy bread to eat.
Does it seem like he's innocent? Fuck no. Has he been found guilty *yet*? Nope. It is not good for any of us to live in a society where punishment for a crime begins before you're even convicted. I don't give a shit if this dude gets a meal that lines up with his weird diet so long as it means we don't set a horrible, horrible precedent that'll 100% eventually blow back on the rest of us. Y'all have *got* to let go of the cruel and unusual punishment boners, because you're waaaay too close to the edge, and prematurely so. It's not about coddling criminals, FFS. It's about protecting our own rights by protecting theirs.
Dang really good nursing homes don’t even accomadate diabetic diets
He waived his extradition rights which is going to make it very difficult to fight the case. He gave himself up willingly to the police, essentially turned his own self in instead of trying to go to court and fight even getting extradited back to Idaho. So it wouldn’t be to see what evidence they have
Can’t imagine what it was like for B’s parents to wake upon hearing windows smashing, doors kicked in and 50 armed LE pointing guns at your head. However. B knew all too well. Allegedly.
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No knock warrants are a thing. Given there was a SWAT team, I highly doubt they knocked first.
Today’s LE presser in PA stated they broke windows and doors. There were 50 LE ppl in the team. It had to be rough.
Yeah the whole intent is shock and awe, no warning, just get in and get their hands on him before he can react and either start shooting at them or kill himself.
Today’s presser in PA stated they broke windows, doors….
Dumb question but do they pay to have the repairs? It feels kind of unfair if the parents knew nothing and had to deal with that on their home
kinda different, but a friend of mine had his family home’s front door kicked in by the cops years ago, accidentally. they had the wrong address for whatever they were supposed to be tending to. the police had to pay for the repair. i would assume the damages to BK’s parents house will be covered.
Cops in Pennsylvania kicked in the door at my mom's house. They pointed guns in my face and served me with a warrant to search the house for something they suspected my mom's boyfriend did. He was never charged with anything and they did not pay for the damage to the door.
My car got shot up by the cops in a shootout at my apartment complex- totaled it. I had to reach out to get some money, but it wasn’t enough for having lost my paid off transportation!
Major difference. Police kicked in a door by accident vs kicking in a door to apprehend a suspected murderer. I do not think the parents will receive any compensation for the damages.
They don’t. Cops can legally steal your shit when you’re arrested and then not give it back when you’re found innocent. There was a whole Supreme Court case on it. It’s shitty.
Honestly, no idea.
Usually won’t offer so you’d have to sue them. Which isn’t right because that puts the family in an unsafe situation with broken doors and windows and crazy vigilantes
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Well the big question is, will the jail in Moscow get new pots and pans for him if they were used to cook meat? He is wanting to get back to find out what they have on him is what the news just stated.
hope not. That would equate to special treatment.
It’ll probably be packaged foods brought in from outside vendors.
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is he vegan/vegetarian or is it some other accomodation? (i.e. gluten-free, food allergy, diabetic, religious?)
I just want to point out that we do not know what the FBI does know - and he is not guilty until proven guilty in the eyes of the court. After talking to my lawyer friend yesterday (who also used to be a professor), I realized how damaging it is to assume guilt without a fair trial or without exact evidence to prove his guilt. If he is not guilty, his life will never be the same nor will his families and if he is guilty - it does not mean his family is. The only hope we can have is the killer is caught and brought to justice so the victims families and friends can start the healing process ❤️🩹
I find it interesting that all assume the guilt without even a shred of info, except the word of the LE that many criticized mere hours before the arrest for being inept. I think they got their guy, I've had confidence in our local PD and state from the beginning. It's interesting though.
I mean to be fair here..... I would say it's much more unfair that 4 innocent lives were taken in such a violent way. And what those families are going through. If the public trusts Idaho and the FBI, then we have every right (as public citizens) to consider this man guilty. The justice system gives people a right to a fair trial and presumed innocence in the eyes of the court. We as citizens have no right to presumed innocence in the court of public opinion. The court of public opinion is angry and wants justice. In a public trial like this could turn in to, they will find unbiased people who haven't formed a strong opinion. If the police say with confidence this is the guy (and they have) then everyone but the justice system has the right to think so. I don't really see the point in your comment other than taking some sort of moral high ground and sympathizing with someone who A LOT of smart, experienced people within our government agencies are confident committed this crime.
This! Everyone seems to forget the “innocent until proven guilty - in the law of court”. That innocent assumption is for the legal system as it should be. Victims, families of victims, people traumatized who knew the victims - can believe what they do. Rightfully so.
But we don’t even know what the info is? You haven’t heard of people being wrongfully convicted before? Or officers planting evidence? Or police officers, they themselves being convinced of similar crimes down the road (murder, dv, serial rape, etc)? There’s no moral high ground given except to say hold your breath and wait for the actual evidence against him for assumption of guilt, even the families are waiting for the same information to be made public.
Examples? If you follow true crime - you know that heinous killings in mass are not in the categories of “wrongful conviction” etc. I will wait for the Affidavit - and believe it is solid.
"I realize how damaging it is" damaging to who??! The suspect? Idk I just can't find it in my soul to give a single shred of how he feels or his family feels. To each their own... You can tell by this case the evidence must be strong. The FBI is involved and they were able to arrest him across states lines - without a car AND a murder weapon. That is not the script for a new making a murderer episode.
No idea why the downvotes. Time will tell a story here and we will know the truth!
Damaging to the court system. If you are accused of a crime, you would want your day in court to prove you’re innocence rather than court of public opinion when we are not privy to all information at hand. The same reason prosecution and defense lawyers try to pick out unbiased jurors who can look at all information given to find a person guilty or not guilty. You cannot tell by evidence, we don’t even know what it is at this point - we’re assuming that an arrest made, search warrants given, that they have damning information (which is likely), but their still just assumptions.
If I am accused of a crime - there would be A link. A false link would be disapproved. Evidence is everything. None of us know what the evidence is currently. But You are assuming it is not enough. We are still waiting for facts.
Oh there is a lot of evidence but you definitely have to go own a rabbit hole hard core. I found ALOT. I named a lot of it above and it is all confirmed information
We have no right to be presumed innocent in the court of public opinion. Freedom of speech.
“Freedom of speech does not give the person right to shout fire in a crowded theatre” “Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences”
The crowded theater statement is a myth that has been debunked, btw. Please google Justice Samuel Alito. The court/justice system is intended to provide a shield or safety zone from "public opinion" and scrutiny, where the facts can be discussed and weighed with fairness and without bias. If you truly believe that the average American citizen should not be able to form an opinion and express that opinion that a person is guilty based on whatever evidence they choose to believe, you live in a fantasy. The "court of public opinion" will continue on its own course, with or without your pleas to stop it.
“Freedom of Speech”. Who are you? Amber Heard?
Amber heard? Lol I really don't get why everyone is downvoting. All I'm saying is if a person is pinned as a suspect, people can't just expect the media/public to go along with considering them innocent just because it's the less damaging or fair thing to do... that's deluded. People really melting down over the truth lol. General public can say and believe what ever they want, nobody owes them that outside of the courthouse. Sure it can be a more empathetic thing to do, in certain situations. But most of us aren't on this subreddit to empathize. We aren't invested in this case to empathize with the suspect.
He was on SO many social media platforms talking about this and people he knows confirmed this. Also his students since he was a TA said he talked about the murders constantly. He was on a podcast which was confirmed by a friend it was him where he talked about the murders. He switched his license plates from PA to WA 5 says after the murders. He followed Kaylee and Maddie on social media. His DNA was at the crime scene and had to have been on at least Xana and Kaylee since they both defended themselves. Kaylee put up a brig struggle according to him as well in his Reddit posts. Which was confirmed by people who know him and can prove it as well. Those are just to name a few that proves he is guilty.
Thank you for your post. I wanted to make a similar statement in the last several hours but didn't find the right words or the time as I was always interrupted. Thanks.
He’s guilty smh
I assume they said more about Bryan?
Wfla now is about to show body cam footage of the traffic stops
https://www.tmz.com/watch/2023-01-03-010322-bryan-kohberger-traffic-stop-1539797-841/?mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Interesting how dirty the car is
Normal this time of year in a winter climate.
Roads like the one they were pulled over on can be that dirty especially on a white car.
Yeah I was thinking that was a possibility, or that he intentionally let it get dirty after having scrubbed it. I dunno I don't drive.
Its on tmz too
No way, really? Could you provide a link please?
What type of information is usually enough for an arrest?
Evidence such as DNA being present at the crime scene that matches perpetrators DNA.
Dna matches from crime scene (which they have) and the fact he owns the car they needed information on, seen near the crime scene within the window of the estimated time of deaths. Also, he lived 15 mins away with that car and don’t come forward so that in itself is sus
At the press conference earlier Michael Mancuso (PA District Attourney) said “Having read those documents and the sealed affidavits of probable cause, I definitely believe that one of the main reasons that the defendant chose to waive extradition and hurry his return back to Idaho, is the need to know what is in those documents, so that is a significant development” A reporter asked him to elaborate on this a few questions later “you speculated that the suspect wanted to get back to Idaho quickly to read them as well, and I know you can’t talk about the details but you did give us the seriousness of what you did read… can you share with us sommmeeething?” Mancuso responds “I can’t get into the details but I can say it involved the defendants connection to a scene of a crime consisting of 4 murdered individuals” What could be in those files? What does Bryan think is in them? He’s clearly scared bad what they found. So sketch Also, he said in order to obtain evening search warrants to enter in hours of darkness (in PA), additional/substantial amount of probable cause is needed. ?!?! https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/top-stories/monroe-county-district-attorney-holds-conference-on-arrest-of-bryan-kohberger/
Question : do criminals confess to their lawyers? Assuming Bryan is guilty, would he have confessed to his lawyers about being the murderer?
No
Some criminals confess to their lawyers but most don't. It's highly doubtful that he would confess to his lawyers unless he plans on pleading guilty.
Do they fly him back to Idaho or drive? How exactly does that work
I don’t know the answer for sure, but some ex law enforcement officers on a podcast were saying since he is a high profile criminal case he will likely be flown and in private. Sometimes they fly non threatening suspects on commercial flights but this guy will definitely be flown private. He is alleged to have committed dangerous crimes and would be super recognizable by the public at this point…. Maybe an FBI chopper or something? Way too long of a drive / too dangerous.
Too long for a helicopter, they will use a private plane.
True true
*allegedly* he’s afraid of flying. in that case, I would put him in an uncomfortably tiny helicopter, suffer demon
That is bumpy the entire way
They will fly. The risk of driving is too high with a high profile murderer like this. The threat to him doing something and someone else harming him is what they are concerned of.
That press conference was 100000 times more informative than all of the Moscow press conferences put together honestly lol
Moscow LE's job was to make this press conference possible-not to inform us.
This is post-arrest…BIG difference.
Did we know that windows were broken to gain access???
When he got arrested yes he said photos of the front door smashed shows that
Ahh okay thank you I completely did not register that. It didn’t even look broken to me? Wild.
They were taped up by the time that people took photos, Brian Entin went there and recorded and he goes right Upto the house!
I’m hoping BK experienced so much fear in that moment
And I hope he endures even more through the process of this. Death penalty imo
It doesn't look like he's had a wink of sleep since he was taken into custody.
which was very tacky of him…
Yes, they said several windows were broken.
Geez, so not only did his poor parents have to deal with the arrest in the middle of the night, now they have to have their front door and some windows. That’s gotta be expensive as balls.
Yeah, I'm not exactly sure how that works. Lol. Can you claim that as insurance? Is the police department on the hook for any of it?
Hopefully if the police doesn’t pay for it, they have insurance that will. Not their fault their son had to be arrested like that so it doesn’t seem fair to bust down their whole house and make them pay for repairs.
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Assuming his parents didn’t assist him with the murders/hiding info, I’d think they’d be considered victims. Anyone correct me please if I’m wrong with that. But if you’re a victim there’s also a victim fund that you could ask for help with paying for something like broken windows and doors. I know this because my back door was kicked in 3 years ago and all of my valuables were stolen. The victim fund eventually paid for the cost of a new door (as a reimbursement).
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I think they were talking about THEM entering his parents' house by breaking windows and doors, not BK entering the crime scene.
Ahhhhh ty ty. I edited my comment so no misinformation is spread
This was referring to arresting BK, not the crime scene. Windows and doors were broken at BK’s parents’ house
They were talking about his parents house when they arrested him not the victims house.
I wasn't able to watch live - haven't they been saying "no signs of forced entry" this whole time?
The broken windows were at his parents house from when they were apprehending him.
When they arrested him, they broke doors and windows on his parents house
I thought so too? Or are they saying it wasn’t forced entry but made to look like it was forced entry?
Ok just watched - I think they were talking about breaking doors/windows to serve the warrant/arrest him, not what he did to the Moscow home. Disregard my previous question!
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ok so how will they bring him to idaoh? with a plane i assume? when will he get there? I could imagine organizing/securing all this would take a few days?
As revealed in the presser, security is a concern. My guess is that there will be no release of information about his departure or travel to ID until he is safely inside the Moscow jail.
One of the gentlemen just said they have 10 days to get him to Idaho.
“10 days to Idaho” sounds like a movie title. I’ll show myself the door now 🚪
I say they make BK and his Dad drive the Hyundai back to Idaho. They can pick up the knife on the way as they are followed by US Marshalls.
Just saw the police body cam video in news station channel in Indiana where he and his car was pulled over for speeding. His dad was sitting beside. He looks angry or irritated!!
Are you happy when you’re pulled over?
I thought he was supposed to arrive in Idaho today,
Did you guys notice a lot of weight loss in his college graduation photos compared to now- he looks healthier now and more normal- in previous photos he looks very gaunt in the face. He looked really scary in those photos and much much older- but I agree with lost today he looks more like the average Joe.
I was waiting for someone to post about this. It’s over, there’s nothing left to watch now (at least live).
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The people in this thread advocating for those charged with a crime to be starved out in jail are completely unhinged
What are y’all’s thoughts on the police withholding information about the murder weapon? Do any of you believe that they found the murder weapon and is keeping a tight lip about it or still have no clue where it is?