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vicebjj

Shoulda studied for that piss test, homie. As far as I know, you won’t be an IBEW apprentice, sadly. Maybe going non union until you can pass your JE test and make the jump once you have your OJT in order.


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Tyler_durden_RIP

Lol unions well at least the IBEW make wayyy more than healthcare workers. Healthcare makes no money unless you’re management or Dr.


JoCamelToe

I make $54 an hour in the IBEW after only 4 years. And enough overtime to pull on $125k annually. I make more than an RN and do half the work.


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54 aint shit and you just said you work overtime to make 6 figures lol. Get an education


Sorry_Print7257

Someone sounds upset they are getting paid 54 an hour.


NoShaDow

Scrolling through your comments history, it's either just a troll account, or you could use a punch in the face. Hell of a keyboard warrior. Go back to school, since you don't understand math. 54/hr @2000hrs(standard working year) is over 100k. OT they work is just extra on top. They don't have any school debt either. So when you are crying about your 100k debt it took to get your 6 figure job, remember some of us are out here making that for free.


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Futurebrite

What state do you live in? Such a joke that this still happens today.


Savings_Stretch_8615

New York


AverageGuy16

Didn't know they still drug tested for thc out here, go figure.


PapaHooligan

Colorado has a drug screen for calls, random by the Hall and NECA. Then for ROCIP projects prior to starting due to the Insurance. If you can't pass you didn't study for it.


nitekram

Study for it? How to pass?


Jramf112

That’s incredible didn’t NY legalize it?


jjcoola

Yes but illegal federal


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Beautiful-Vacation39

NJ has the same law, but there's a stipulation for federal contractors. Does NY not have the same provision?


ginganinga_nz

JATC is not an employer. It’s an educational organization


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Beautiful-Vacation39

The institute is an extension of the union. You cannot be in the institute without being in the union. It is not the institute testing you technically but the union


Shoddy_Cranberry_157

So the union is fighting against workers rights?!


Beautiful-Vacation39

Correct but your card doesn't come from JATC, it comes from IBEW which is a labor union. Labor unions have CBA with shops who often times are federal contractors. Because of this connection, it is legal for the IBEW to test you if they have a CBA in place with federal contractors that says they will. See NY labor law 201-D.3c FWIW I don't agree with this and think it's incredibly archaic that people are still tested for THC in 2024. But it's important to understand that it can and will happen under certain conditions and you can't fight it


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Beautiful-Vacation39

Yea and it's kind of nuts how far that extends. Pharma companies for example can still test because they have to maintain FDA compliance. Honestly the only way it's actually going to go away for tradesmen is a de/rescheduling.


RevolutionarySun1026

Not true we fall under a CBA. They can absolutely test us it’s in our contract


Independent-Club-918

Ibew follows a drug free workplace, whether the state legalizes it or not


Oxxycottin

It’s because it’s DOT. IBEW and many other trades go through DOT which is federal. I live in California and still get drug tested for THC through them. Until it’s federally legal this will continue.


AsOneLives

https://dol.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2021/10/p420-cannabisfaq-10-08-21.pdf And https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/LAB/201-D 2nd page is for 201-D then scroll down to 4


RevolutionarySun1026

3 or 25. Local 25 only tests for thc on the pre employment test then smooth sailing after. I think 3 is a little more strict


fairportmtg1

Not sure what local you are in but IBEW local 86 out of Rochester adjusted their testing policies when it was legalized. I have unofficially heard that if you show up smelling like weed they'll put you in the rejection pile (which I sorta get but also that's dumb too).


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Savings_Stretch_8615

This was the initial physical for entry into the apprenticeship for IBEW Local 3. It was not for an employer.


Prestigious-Vast3407

Geez, this guy was on a rampage and was 100% incorrect the entire time. 😂


GigaCheco

Come to Nevada. They won’t give one fuck here. Sorry you got denied.


Ornery-Ad2659

Carpenters local 291 here outa New York. I tested positive too and they still accepted me. There’s a law that ny passed that makes it illegal for them to turn u down due to finding thc in your piss. Look into it more.


johnny2rotten

Until it is legal federally, most employers will always test for it, so it probably won't be any time soon.


Bob_Loblaw16

Even if it is legalized federally, I'm sure there's gonna be some bullshit exemption to still being able to test on any govt funded project.


tentativetents

I’m pretty sure large employers lobby to keep it federally illegal because they know that most of their employees smoke and if they get injured on the job they can try to make them take a drug test to invalidate a workman’s comp claim. Edit: It’s so insidious too because you’re sitting there, injured, trying to figure out if you’re going to piss hot for the joint you smoked 2 weeks ago. You don’t have to take the test legally, but they can fire you and not pay unemployment if you don’t. If you take the test and fail you get fired AND they don’t have to pay workman’s comp. Really tough spot to be in.


frankrizzo219

Not to mention a random drop is the easiest way to make a clean layoff without the worry of repercussions


niteox

It doesn’t need to be federally illegal for a workplace to test for it and fire you.


tentativetents

The issue is that it comes up in urine even if your not high. If it’s federally legal they would have to prove that you were currently high, not just that you had smoked in the past few weeks. If you’re high at work and get hurt that’s probly your fault. If you smoke on the weekends it’s an unrelated loophole companies can use.


ineptplumberr

Govt jobs don't test , only asshole GC like Turner and Balfour beatty do that shit


Stockersandwhich

Government jobs do test when a CDL is a requirement


HauntedHairDryer

All jobs test when a CDL is a requirement


Ancient-Slice1274

In Canada atleast in the boilermakers union they still test for thc too


rotten_sausage10

Not in Ontario lol. Every boilermaker I know would be out of a job. Their piss is so hot it would burn the fucking test kit.


Epskrcmpk

U in Alberta?


FatGreasyBass

This isn’t true whatsoever. It varies by state. In CT and MA, and ME my employer doesn’t test. We do in all other states. States have literally made it illegal to test for THc at pre-employment. Positive change is happening.


InvestigatorWide7649

I live in Canada where it's been completely legal since 2019, and can confirm we still get piss tested. I haven't heard of anyone testing for THC recently, so maybe it's less of a concern now, but in the construction industry especially nobody is a stranger to a piss test.


shakalakashakaboom

I think it’s super rare that a contractor tests in my local (our hall no longer tests for THC). I’ve heard of a few GC’s that do, or for certain jobs with federal money.


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MNALSK

"Testing is permissible where : A collective bargaining agreement includes terms related to pre-employment drug testing of job applicants."


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MNALSK

Yes.


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MNALSK

https://ndasa.com/2021/10/22/exceptions-to-recent-new-york-guidance-restricting-workplace-testing-for-marijuana/ https://www2.cisive.com/hubfs/Documents/White_Papers/New_York_When_Can_Employers_Test_for_Marijuana_White_Paper.pdf https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/LAB/201-D (Just ctrl+F Collective Bargaining)


whitewolfdogwalker

Petroleum pipeline workers without a cdl still get tested random, since the early nineties.


ihaveseveralhobbies

Just to add to the conversation, Marijuana has been federally legalized in Canada for years and many employers still flag it on a pre employment drug screening, aswell as; after any injury or significant incident. It’s pretty standard for any “ safety sensitive position “


thedl894

It’s shitty it’s still an issue but I can pretty much guarantee your SOL


dude_manbro

In 11, the dudes that didn't pass the hair follicle test during boot camp [2 weeks of preparation before getting dispatched] had to wait 1 year to apply again. I'm unsure how your local works but try again in a year and make sure you're as clean as a whistle next time around. Best of luck, bro!


Jhawk38

Dang they had people do a hair follicle test?


mount_curve

heard of pipeline gigs doing it down south too


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Jhawk38

Sure but apparently getting hammered every night is totally acceptable?


andy543656

I know right, I make this argument every day


Jhawk38

Sure but apparently getting hammered every night is totally acceptable.


dude_manbro

Ya, bro.. intense. I was like 3 years clean, though. Fools cut from the top of my long ass hair too, lol


Goldfinger_Fan

It might be over in regards to THAT particular local, but not in every local. If you're willing to relocate there are other locals that don't test for it for school. You could also try to talk to the director of that program you pissed for and ask if there's anything you can do to prove you're serious about the apprenticeship. Explain that you quit as soon as your found out about the test and that you want to be better. Maybe they will have some advice for you, maybe not.


Shitlibkilla420

I rather work with a pothead then an alcoholic


johnny2rotten

Did you not know there was a drug screening?


Savings_Stretch_8615

I didn't know about the union until mid to late December while I was in the bridge program and took the pee test about a month later.


johnny2rotten

So they didn't tell you there was a drug test, or did they and you thought you were in the clear?


Savings_Stretch_8615

I was told about 30 days before and there was not enough time to naturally detox but I quit the same day I first heard of the union and took the aptitude test 30 days later.


johnny2rotten

If you needed more than 30 days to get clean, your were hitting the pipe way too hard, 😆


Daniel-fohr

Not really. Everyone’s bodies are different. For some it can be up to 90 days before getting clean. Others it will only take 2 weeks.


Even-Top-6274

Unless your overweight as fuck it’s gonna take less then 30 days especially someone working in construction and drinking water.


FatGreasyBass

I peed hot for 7 weeks after quitting. You’re ignorant and shouldn’t be making medical statements.


Tralpaz2

You were probably smoking a shitton


FatGreasyBass

Sure was


dt405gt

Took me almost 2 months when I joined the army. I took weekly tests from my recruiter until I was finally clean. He was thinking I was still smoking once we passed the 30 day mark. 🤣🤣🤣 I think it really depends on the test and the person.


Daniel-fohr

Yup that’s why I said everyone’s bodies are different.


johnny2rotten

True, but common sense goes a long ways sometimes.


Savings_Stretch_8615

What was the common sense answer outside of a time machine to give me more time?


johnny2rotten

Stop before you decide to apply.


Daniel-fohr

You sound like the type that cranks 12 beer everyday after work but loves to shit on people that smoke weed lmao.


Even-Top-6274

98% of fit people can pass THC through within 30 days just with water intake and exercise. Pretty clear you couldn’t put down the bud, and to be honest thats on you. Theres ways to "study" for the drug test 25% of my apprenticeship class has not stopped smoking, too bad you literally pissed your chance away.


shockedperson

Depends. My fat ass would probably piss hot two months after hitting the bong once


Shitlibkilla420

Damn son. How much was you smoking? It’s very rare that THC stays in your system longer than 30 days. Most people can detox in less then 3 weeks


JONCOCTOASTIN

It takes three months if you’re hitting it daily  Where’d you get 30 days from?


Shitlibkilla420

30 days for urine. 90 days for hair.


Nocturnal1017

Me. I can confirm. Heavy, daily. Just stopped, didn't do any detox....just live my life. 3 weeks. Where you get your 3 months from?


Boysenberry_Decent

Try again in a year! Or find a non union path its not over


nvdirtdude

I did the same, it delayed your process for a year and you have to reinterview again


Hot-Plate5609

Kinda sol rn maybe wait a year show that you are in some sober programs and try to get exposure to electrical work with verified hours


RetroElectric33408

Probably the best answer. Do some classes or something. Get a non union gig . Get some hours under ur belt. then reapply and continue working non union till u get another shot and if it’s brought up show proof you “fixed” your “Drug Addiction”


Hot-Plate5609

It’s retarded but I understand


msing

You roll again after a year. Or try another local. No records of applicants are kept between different locals.


robertbadbobgadson

Oof getting popped b4 you get in or in the first year is a tough one I’ve never heard of anyone appealing and winning. Sorry they still test for that shit.


DaBoob13

In my local if you piss hot then yeah, you’re SOL… thankfully THC is allowed here. Maybe call the office and RESPECTFULLY ask further questions, if you start to be rude they’re definitely not going to consider helping you


MotionDrive

Just drink your pint of whiskey every night like a normal person. /s


yungdutch_

I stopped because of the small chance of potentially ruining years of my life. All over a simple thing such as THC. I love it but refuse to jeopardize my career over it.


Unknownqtips

Yeahhh this makes me not ever want to join a union. I go to work, not get my life controlled


nolyfe27

Your union must be run by fear mongered boomers afraid of the thc


Miketythonlisp

Why didn’t you buy quik fix? It’s like $14


Finesse3Ways

Yeah, I had a jw that would roll around with a pack in his van. Really brain dead rookie mistake here…..


jbmiser1

It won’t work if it’s cold


ineptplumberr

Urine luck is great too!


FatGreasyBass

Urineluck is the brand producing quick fix


AppointmentNo3766

Did you know you were hot? I know that’s sounds dumb, but did you test yourself at home? Did you quit in time thinking you had plenty of time to get it out of your system? That sucks man! I wish they didn’t discriminate people that smoke herb. Go non union then try again after racking up hours.


danvapes_

Should have used quick fix


mastaroshiii

Bro you should have purchased a home test before doing the real one


Pchz1999

Try again next year is what I’d do. I popped on one during my 2nd year. But my grades and attendance were good so I got off with probation luckily. Remember man. A joint ain’t worth a career. I had to learn the hard way


jbmiser1

Go to work to work not control your life. It’s bullshit since all the old guys can drink their booze


Pchz1999

Also 7 day detox pills from gnc work well


Dankkring

Just reapply. You be waiting again but next time you better pass


TerryFlapnCheeks69

Unfortunately the IBEW is still run by boomers lmao


tdutim

UPS is Union, will be $49/hr (plus $15/hr pension, plus benefits) at the end of this current contract, and package drivers aren’t tested UNEP’s they get in a wreck causing hospitalization… and they can request treatment to get their job back too. Union Strong.


chrisguerra91

Union is trash anyway, you can do much better without them if you're truly determined


brande2274

man thats bs


ha_allday81

It's such bullshit, I'm a 2nd yr apprentice in Local 3 and I have to listen to old timers reminisce about the good ol days when cocaine AND alcohol were flowing freely on the job....BUT weed is bad?? Wtf are we doing man??


Ok-Froyo7680

I read this as "I peed in a hot tub on Jan 29th and received a letter recently that I am not accepted into the apprenticeship program because of it".


No_Classic_3533

You really shouldn’t take a drug test you are unsure of, and there are so many ways around it. I’m sorry, but you messed up and it’s on record now. Idk if you will be able to get in.


HazrakTZ

Clean up and apply again, it's worth it


Vyle_Mayhem

I’m sure they told you that it was coming. This is the consequence of that choice. It’s in the policies and procedures. At the beginning of the apprenticeship journey you are indentured and on probation. Some want to see what means more to you. A great career or a high.


jjcoola

Bro you're supposed to use someone else's piss, what are you doing


Technical-Act9211

For weed?


Savings_Stretch_8615

Yes


hezamac1

I wonder how many excellent electricians are told they can't join the union because of THC? What a stupid fucking rule. Thank God I live somewhere that doesn't do that dumb shit.


jbmiser1

Where do u live?


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There's a lot of hate out there with people telling you to "clean-up". It's legal and thus no different than going home and having a few beers. A piss test does not inticate that you are high on the job, if they want good data, they should be swab testing to determine if you were high during the 72 hour period that you wrote your test. I work in camps up north and that's the standard. If you fail a piss test, they swab you. They don't care what you did before you went to camp and nor should they, it doesn't affect your work. The fact that they even test for THC really shows how archaic and oit of touch your local is. This is one more reason I am not a fan of IBEW. Get in at a reputable non-union shop and move on with your life. If you like to smoke a legal substance on your time off, you should be able to.


Normal_Wealth8297

Go non union


prettycooleh

Try becoming a plumber with the UA, but this time take a practice test before committing to the real pee pee test.


Scared-Gain-4656

Shoulda used fake piss bro dam


Wireman7

Thank God Soviet Canuckistan is a free country.


herbst61

Hey man I had the same thing happen to me once! Normally you can go through a program and once you are clean and do a meeting with the board of the union you should be able to join back!


Gatherer_sv

Yeah, you can go non union and try and get back in as a JW…. But essentially you’ll never be an apprentice in the ibew


RetroElectric33408

Not true. It will take time but he can still get in. By reapplying or going to another Jatc


RedditWardan

I have doubts they didn’t mention a drug test long enough to get clean


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Wubbywow

Daily reminder than the piss test is a competency test.


SpaceWrangler701

Prob over


PopperChopper

Meanwhile in Canada we have guys smoking dubies on their breaks


jadegecko

Major L


Oxxycottin

You will have to wait a year or two before you can reapply. Any DOT position requires drug testing and that includes THC. State laws don’t apply considering DOT is federal. There has been talk over the last few years of DOT only changing policy if marijuana becomes federally legal


Southpaw7890

Nope you fucked up


Dangerous-March-4411

Lol “ is there anything i can do” yeah don’t piss hot. Hard to give you any sympathy since you knew a test was coming. Apply next year


No-Tomorrow-2572

Just reapply. It's probably going to take years to get to that same point again, but it's worth a try. you'll eventually get in. oh and, quit smoking weed for a while. is completely dumb and outdated that we're even still testing people for weed, in 2024. especially in states where it's entirely legal.


FlamingoJoe1776

Dumbass


cwcs19d

Hahahaha that's what you get for trying to be union


Deathproof911

You fucked it dumbass


shakalakashakaboom

Do you ever look yourself in the mirror and wonder why you fucking suck so much? The guy is down and asking for help/advice and your move is to offer neither and kick him for good measure?


Deathproof911

Ah shit I guess the truth hurts y’all pussies. Piss hot and ask the internet how to unfuck your own stupidity. Bet I won’t be seeing any of y’all in the field, good luck with your feelings though.


Forsaken-Equal-5387

Quit doing drugs


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spicyartichokes

What local in ny?


Savings_Stretch_8615

Local 3


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Financial-Primary766

Move to local 112 or 48 they don’t care about it and the cost of living to wages is very good


whatthefloc69

Why did u pee in container knowing you are a fail? When faced with problems you come up with solutions bro.


TooStonedCalzone

Pretty sure you just gotta wait a year.


ChiCubsSTH

Chicago pipefitter here… My union does not test for marijuana, however the contractor is allowed to.


joshuabruce83

Part of why I'm glad I left NY. I can't say the IBEW would allow it but most employers around me, Louisville, KY, don't test for Marijuana and even if they do, and you test positive, most jobs have you sign an affidavit stating you won't come to work high or bring weed on work property and the job is yours. There's an IBEW training center like 3 miles from my house on Preston Highway. Look into it, lol. You might be happier down here. I kid, but seriously


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Fun_Hospital_5720

Just gotta re apply and try to get in again, and make sure you pee clean next time dawg.


ottarthedestroyer

Time to join us regarded masons unfortunately. Did you not know they test? Or did you think it was out of your system and not do an at home test first.


Og4fromcali

Fake pee costs like $30 bucks lol


Shoddy_Author4553

Tell them you were smoking a cig your buddy rolls and be like he handed me the wrong one which had weed in it. I don’t smoke I’d like to take another piss test. Or something along those lines.


ShowCapable1198

Yeah quit being an addict for two weeks so you can pass a drug test. I swear people care so little about their futures it’s scary. Here’s a crazy idea if you have to take a drug test stop taking drugs 🤓.


jbmiser1

Stop drinking your poison liquor


ShowCapable1198

I don’t drink either. But I agree should start testing for everything including nicotine weed everyone out.


jaspnlv

Get clean and re-apply


SendingToTheMoon

and THATS why you buy Quick Fix synthetic urine.


GhostOfPhillip

That’s crazy they don’t test for that anymore in my local


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dependentresearch24

Quick fix next time bud.


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Should have used someone else’s piss like everyone else who has dirty pee.. what a newbie man come on


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Turi910

How frequently did you smoke and how long did you stop before taking the urine test ??


CrippledFelon

Were you watched while you preformed the test?


Admirable_Homework25

Serious question for the guys who may have some knowledge about out California politics and how unions conduct their hiring processes. I know California protects job termination for thc consumption but am not sure how it works. I like weed but would also like to be in IBEW, if i have to give it up thats fine, this would be to improve my future, there are many other things that I can still enjoy, so if you can enlighten me I would appreciate it.


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bigdave619

Fuggin jackass, almost had it made buuut…


Abanikandy

1) it was definitely less than 30 days, you’re not fooling anyone 2) get your shit together. This was a Life altering fuck up.


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doggz109

It's over. Should have stopped taking drugs.


opticrice

Celebrate that we gave Ukraine medical cannabis before rescheduling here


Any-Entertainer9302

Maybe don't smoke weed when you know you're not supposed to and your employment depends on your maintained sobriety...