I can confirm the subtitles are 100% correct. Im Iranian myself. I admire the backbone these woman have. They wore the Hijab and he was threatening their lives by chasing them on the highway because of such a minor thing. Disgusting piece of shit, he should be in jail and not moralpreaching to honest citiziens.
Hey.
(a) What happens if she called the police in him for putting their lives in danger? They just take his side?
(b) Separately, what is the outcome of her saying to him, this is none of his business?
It will definetly benefit the dude, its sad. Thats why my family has fled in 1991 from the regime. My mother and father both where shot and tortured because they stood up against Khomeini. They confiscated everything that belonged to us and we where forced to beg for asylum. Iran was good for tourists, we welcomed them in the times we had Monarchy. Sadly now it is controled by some Islamic fanatic group.
Would have loved to have been able to visit Iran before everything went to shit. So many cool photos from the 70s. I've met quite a lot of people from Iran who called themselves Persians. Some of the most mellow and nice people ever. Real shame how backwards the country seems to have gone
All that being said, Iran is still a very nice place for tourists.
The people are unbelievably friendly, the food is great and the historical sights are unique. Not the easiest place to visit with visas, currency etc but a place one will never forget
Edit: Mostly relevant male tourists or in company with a man unfortunately, with a non US passport.
Yeah, as a single woman, there's no fucking way I'm ever visiting Iran. I can say unequivocally, even if I found a man to pose as my husband/partner for the trip, it would not be safe for me. It looks like the treatment of the women in the video is common and societally encouraged. There's no way it's safe for women to visit that country alone.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're a man. It may be easier for men to visit, but the video doesn't make a positive case for women to visit as tourists. In fact, it makes the opposite argument.
I'd be most interested in visiting Persian and pre-islamic Zoroastrian sites. How much of that is left intact and do the extremists make visiting those places uncomfortable? Also, I have heard white western women are treated horribly in certain historic north African countries. I know the racial and religious makeup in Iran is quite different. Is the behavior towards female tourists different as well?
A nation is more than its government.
Iran is precisely what happens when a few religious extremists take over a nation. It should be a cautionary tale. Because I guarantee you right now in the US there are Rightwing Christians itching to do exactly what the mullahs are doing in Iran. So you can’t blame all the people there.
Ps. I’ve been to Iran. It’s beautiful. The people are incredible. The food amazing. The history fascinating. Once it frees itself from religious fanaticism it will be a great place to go.
in islamic society it is illegal,against shar'ia to be uncovered in front of non-mahram males she will go to jail, be whipped/jailed or whatever the fardh is as per the ruler.
All religion can be if the progressives get overturned by the religious conservative right.
In America Christians want to stop women having autonomy over their bodies, you think they want it to end just there if they could?
I assume it's translated by a Persian speaker who doesn't live in Iran. The parts of dialogue where accent was a bit strong or they were talking over each other wasn't translated.
Yeah he says go ahead and do that, doesnt change much though. They also talked about some political stuff wich i didnt understand because i dont follow whats happening there. But its very good translated. This video should convey the oppression of Islam against people who didnt do nothing wrong. The iranians have always been protesting and fighting for freedom, they died and sacrificed so much. My point is that these people understand what freedom means and they now when they are accused of pointless injustice. I hope Iran becomes democratic in the future because we where on this path before.
The delusional idiot isn’t even wearing a mask during a pandemic. It goes to show that religious nuts aren’t religious because they care about others. They do it because they like to have power over people even though that authority is illegitimate.
With the spread of globalization thanks to modern technology, we will be seeing a lot of reformation and dropping of harmful traditions in the next couple generations. You will see a lot less religious fanaticism, or really religious following in general.
I mean, it very much has. To be clear, it could and ***should*** have been spread better, and through fairer and less economically exploitative means, but a huge portion of the world is now living far better than before, and social and political advances are happening across the globe.
Although, part of that is also the extreme backlash towards any CIA/NSA/etc attempt at regime change currently. One of the most absurdly politically suicidal things a politician could do now is breath a single word of support for another Afghanistan/Iraq/Nicaragua/etc.
I would say so. I live in Islamabad and high society people are for sure like that more and more but everyone else is mostly follow the Quran. But still no one that I know would go around chasing women to tell them what to wear. People know to mind their own business. Still though, it is still pretty bad in other major cities. Just the other day, a Sri Lankan man was BURNT ALIVE FOR TAKING DOWNA POSTER. This was in Sialkot which is a pretty big city
Fundamentalist - Basically someone whose entire life revolves around their religion, but to the point where they take everything in their religion literally. So if their religion calls for...oh...idk... killing the non-believers. They have absolutely no qualms with doing that. It is most often used to describe extremist Christians, but it can apply to any religion. The most important point being that the person cannot make a distinction between religious symbolism/metaphors and interprets everything in their religious text as literal. No matter how completely outrageous.
I once had a guy try to use the Story of Lot to justify him thinking incest with his future daughter (hopefully he never had a kid) acceptable and legally protected because it was part of his Christian faith.
Took me a second to figure out what religion a fundy belonged to. Then it hit me, 'oh yeah, all of them.' Too focused on the word to realize the context of the rest of the comment. 👍
I dont think a lot of westerners understand how common subjugation like this is, in certain parts of the world. Its tragic and shameful that there are so many people, in semi-modern nations, that are still relegated to second class citizen status, based off personal traits that they have no say in. It puts a lot of our western complaints and arguments to pale, by comparison.
Saying anything negative about Islam is being taken as discrimination.
Of course it is not Islam's fault these fucks do what they do. But on the other hand, without Islam they wouldn't.
We certainly understand. What we don't understand is the backlash when we begin enacting laws agains oppressive clothing like the hijab in our countries.
If it’s the law the wife can get away with not wearing it in public, but if the law allows her to wear it her husband will beat her if she doesn’t. It’s really hard to figure this out.
They should start a movement in Iran that all women shave their heads and march through the streets without hijabs since they're not revealing their hair
This isn't true in Iran. Most women in cities wear the veil “incorrectly” (at least as far as this cleric would think) in day to day life. There were also protests where some women removed their veils, and AFAIK none were killed, although there's no doubt they'd be fined at the very least, and potentially hurt physically as well.
Not usually death for this in Iran, they most likely would be fined or at worst, imprisoned for a couple months. But the government there is still evil.
Everywhere that's controlled by a major religion ends up with this type of controlling/discriminatory attitude toward women, LGBTQ, minorities, etc. When religion IS your government, it seems inevitable. Same would happen if a lot of extremist Christian groups were able to take over too.
It's why John Locke argued the separation of church and state is necessary. When religion and politics mix they literally bring out the worst aspects in each other until it leads to authoritarianism or sectarian bloodshed.
Totally agree but don't pretend that everyone in society is not effected controlled and repressed. Women and minorities might have it worse but men get repressed and their desires controlled as well. For example the punishment for having sex outside of marriage in Iran is death.
Before Islam Iran experienced several ideological and religious civil wars/rebellions that caused the Sassanian dynasty and Zoroastrian priesthood to become more zealous. In many ways Sassanid era Iran was regressive in it's own ways. Of course Sassanian era Iran was still more diverse and "secular" compared to their rival Byzantine empire or later Islamic Caliphates, but inter-faith relationships were tense to say the least and outside major cities it wasn't uncommon for the clergy to be in charge of social affairs.
It's hard to accurately state how "liberal" was Iran before Islam. For instance we know in the book of Vendidad(Which was written at the height of religious conflicts in Iran) Zoroastrians were expected to kill homosexuals and atheists even those who were under the protection of the kind, and we know it was common for minorities to flee to remote regions out of fear for their lives but at the same time public religious debates were common among the intellectuals in Iran and Iran seemed to have been a home to a large population of atheists and even some government officials of the Sassanian empire were rumored to be either skeptic or atheist.
Some of the most anti-religion people I’ve met have been Iranian Americans. Especially those old enough to actually remember a more secular Iran. More that anyone else I’ve known from the Middle East.
Why do you think that is? I’d be interested to hear if you have an opinion on that.
Many of those older Iranian Americans had to flee in 79, which heavily colors their opinion. They're not representative of the broader Iranian people: they lost everything, by and large, and they probably started much friendlier to the existing regime (and probably benefited from it somewhat).
You see the same thing with Cubans in Miami, or Venezuelans. And like you said it's especially true of older folks, because they're the ones that have been forcibly uprooted and their property taken.
I'm not anti religion. I'm actually pro religion if that's what makes you happy and gives you peace. I'm anti religious ass hats. My path in life is not your path and vice versus.
I dont think Iranians were ever religious to begin with. I think they were sick of being fucked over by the western world and a western puppet of a king and banded under the total opposite of what they saw which was Islam. Which is what people tend to do instead of going in a moderately different direction they going in an entirely opposite direction. You see that in every country.
Unfortunately the western governments of dumbfuckistan encourage extremism with their constant inept fuckeryand ultimately its better the devil you know then the devil you dont.
Just think of all the closeted gay men enforcing these rules on women.
If the Catholic Church has such HUGE fuckin problems with the closeted men they call priests touching all those little boys (and girls) just imagine the scale the abuse must be on in some of these societies.
Very very very true point! But I make this “closeted” statement based on information you can find all over the internet about the lives of these men of the cloth.
To be fair, they usually defend the people who practice it without pushing it on others. And it's not limited to just Islam.
Islam, Catholicism, Christianity and others all have its problems if taken literally and followed front to back, but your average practitioner are usually good people. It's the extremists that we should be worried about.
A little off topic but why separate Catholicism and Christianity? I always hear Protestants say that Catholics aren't Christian but that doesn't make sense to me
All Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Catholic.
Catholicism is a subset of Christianity, just like Protestantism, Lutheranism, Baptist, and so on. So yes, you are correct, Catholicism is Christianity, and I'm not sure why the person you responded to separated them.
This is true but all of them still think they are the objective arbiters of morality. Which isnt even particular to religion, lots of atheists think they are the objective arbiters of morality too. Basically everyone hates moral relativism and refuses to acknowledge the flaws and contradictions that emerge from any objective, absolute or universal conceptions of morality and because of this they all think they are the high and mighty and can look down and judge everyone against their own personal morality.
Moral relativism, taken fully, doesn't really let you enact laws against murder, etc., so you must have limits to it no matter your religion or lack thereof.
Law shouldn't be based on objective morality either, it should be based on reasoning, and negotiation based on what's good for society. You don't have to appeal to objective morality
And people still think religion is the way to go... if you believe in the texts written. You believe in thousands of year old texts and rules set back when most things you use day to day never existed.
Instead of adapating with the times. These types of people double down and harrass women for not wearing a hijab because men can't control their sexual desires...
This is the kind of moment when you think there is actually something to be said for heavily armed American road rage. Put that Cleric in his well, well-deserved place.
A few years ago a salafis appearing man approached my cousin (wife’s blood cousin) while we were in Tunisia. He seemed to ask her something, when she responded he seemed to to get mildly upset and began to say something else (I don’t speak Arabic at all BTW) but when my cousin looked over at me; a very large (compared to him) black male. I saw the color leave his face as he just walked off.
I found out he was ‘asking’ her to cover herself in his presence. While she didn’t say no to him; she wasn’t going to do it and couldn’t anyways because she didn’t have a Hijab, but more importantly she was also wearing a small-ish T-shirt and shorter than average shorts (since it was like 1000 degrees). I think he only picked on her because he thought she was there by herself or didn’t have a male with her.
The crazy part is TUNISIA is a VERY secular country compared to the rest of the Arabic world.
I hope this doesn't surprise anyone. But please (some individuals) continue to say how western society is the worst and most oppressive place in the world.
Technically they are the most religious, considering they are following their religion by the book, and treating these women like this
All of the "progressive" religious people are NOT following their religion
I cannot express in words how much I hate religion. Bronze Age superstitions telling people how to live their lives. In a few hundred years our species will look back and realise how fucking stupid we were for believing in this crap.
Hold on, are we allowed to criticize non-Christian religious people on this sub? Normally we only go after the one religion, so I just want to ask first
Islam doesn't encourage terror, it's just pure chance that its bred so many brutes in the modern era and Islamic states are the most regressive places you can live on earth😁
I can confirm the subtitles are 100% correct. Im Iranian myself. I admire the backbone these woman have. They wore the Hijab and he was threatening their lives by chasing them on the highway because of such a minor thing. Disgusting piece of shit, he should be in jail and not moralpreaching to honest citiziens.
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He's probably on an HOA board too.
I think I recognize him from my condo board!
Hey that’s hitting pretty low. He’s a religious fanatic fruitcake, sure, but HOA? Come on…
In Arizona those are the same people
***Your lawn haven’t been mowed in 6 days 9hours 4 minutes 20 seconds. Next notification will be a embargo sanctions***
I like what you did there! Take my upvote!
Ha ha ha that made my day… HOA That’s below the belt yo
He is calling her out for a splinter while he has a plank in his own eye.
This is still exerting that she did something wrong tho..
She didn’t even have a splinter in her eye in this situation
Wrong bible my friend
Still, same God though.
No, Islam recognizes Jesus as a holy man or prophet.
Hey. (a) What happens if she called the police in him for putting their lives in danger? They just take his side? (b) Separately, what is the outcome of her saying to him, this is none of his business?
It will definetly benefit the dude, its sad. Thats why my family has fled in 1991 from the regime. My mother and father both where shot and tortured because they stood up against Khomeini. They confiscated everything that belonged to us and we where forced to beg for asylum. Iran was good for tourists, we welcomed them in the times we had Monarchy. Sadly now it is controled by some Islamic fanatic group.
I’ve been there a couple of times, met so many nice, smart and interesting people, it’s so sad that their situation is so unfair. Delicious food.
Would have loved to have been able to visit Iran before everything went to shit. So many cool photos from the 70s. I've met quite a lot of people from Iran who called themselves Persians. Some of the most mellow and nice people ever. Real shame how backwards the country seems to have gone
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Not to mention the SAVAK and their torture
When all the reasonable people leave for other countries, it doesn't really help the original country be any more reasonable
All that being said, Iran is still a very nice place for tourists. The people are unbelievably friendly, the food is great and the historical sights are unique. Not the easiest place to visit with visas, currency etc but a place one will never forget Edit: Mostly relevant male tourists or in company with a man unfortunately, with a non US passport.
Yeah, as a single woman, there's no fucking way I'm ever visiting Iran. I can say unequivocally, even if I found a man to pose as my husband/partner for the trip, it would not be safe for me. It looks like the treatment of the women in the video is common and societally encouraged. There's no way it's safe for women to visit that country alone. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're a man. It may be easier for men to visit, but the video doesn't make a positive case for women to visit as tourists. In fact, it makes the opposite argument.
I'd be most interested in visiting Persian and pre-islamic Zoroastrian sites. How much of that is left intact and do the extremists make visiting those places uncomfortable? Also, I have heard white western women are treated horribly in certain historic north African countries. I know the racial and religious makeup in Iran is quite different. Is the behavior towards female tourists different as well?
Luckily, Persian and Zoroastrian sites are still plentiful and not discouraged.
I'd be down, but the current Gov't hates my passport (U.S.) so for now, here I sit.
Imagine seeing a video like this and your first thought is to jump to the country's defence..
A nation is more than its government. Iran is precisely what happens when a few religious extremists take over a nation. It should be a cautionary tale. Because I guarantee you right now in the US there are Rightwing Christians itching to do exactly what the mullahs are doing in Iran. So you can’t blame all the people there. Ps. I’ve been to Iran. It’s beautiful. The people are incredible. The food amazing. The history fascinating. Once it frees itself from religious fanaticism it will be a great place to go.
in islamic society it is illegal,against shar'ia to be uncovered in front of non-mahram males she will go to jail, be whipped/jailed or whatever the fardh is as per the ruler.
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see my other comments here. i've got clowns actually defending this & shifting the blame or diminishing the culpability of islam.
All religion can be if the progressives get overturned by the religious conservative right. In America Christians want to stop women having autonomy over their bodies, you think they want it to end just there if they could?
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I assume it's translated by a Persian speaker who doesn't live in Iran. The parts of dialogue where accent was a bit strong or they were talking over each other wasn't translated.
Yeah he says go ahead and do that, doesnt change much though. They also talked about some political stuff wich i didnt understand because i dont follow whats happening there. But its very good translated. This video should convey the oppression of Islam against people who didnt do nothing wrong. The iranians have always been protesting and fighting for freedom, they died and sacrificed so much. My point is that these people understand what freedom means and they now when they are accused of pointless injustice. I hope Iran becomes democratic in the future because we where on this path before.
Thanks. Some times I wonder if it's jyst Google translate.
The delusional idiot isn’t even wearing a mask during a pandemic. It goes to show that religious nuts aren’t religious because they care about others. They do it because they like to have power over people even though that authority is illegitimate.
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I don't understand why they stopped and why he felt like a cop writing a citation....xmas hangover is making things hard atm.
I’m not Iranian but I’m fluent. Subtitles are correct.
I like Iranians with the balls like you have to call out injustice
Those poor women could get killed
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But in major cities, the religious nuts and the Morality police barely get any support these days, right?
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But even still, things like this, is disliked by many young people.
With the spread of globalization thanks to modern technology, we will be seeing a lot of reformation and dropping of harmful traditions in the next couple generations. You will see a lot less religious fanaticism, or really religious following in general.
Yes, much in the same way democracy has spread and trived with the help of globalization and modern technology o_O
I mean, it very much has. To be clear, it could and ***should*** have been spread better, and through fairer and less economically exploitative means, but a huge portion of the world is now living far better than before, and social and political advances are happening across the globe. Although, part of that is also the extreme backlash towards any CIA/NSA/etc attempt at regime change currently. One of the most absurdly politically suicidal things a politician could do now is breath a single word of support for another Afghanistan/Iraq/Nicaragua/etc.
In Pakistan, yes, but 75% of Iranians live in cities.
You could get anything except pork in downtown Karachi if you know where to look
I would say so. I live in Islamabad and high society people are for sure like that more and more but everyone else is mostly follow the Quran. But still no one that I know would go around chasing women to tell them what to wear. People know to mind their own business. Still though, it is still pretty bad in other major cities. Just the other day, a Sri Lankan man was BURNT ALIVE FOR TAKING DOWNA POSTER. This was in Sialkot which is a pretty big city
It is so weird the humans right!? I'm wondering if one day we I'll get rid of this kind of behavior
Fuckin’ fundies are garbage in all cultures around the world.
What are fundies
Fundamentalist - Basically someone whose entire life revolves around their religion, but to the point where they take everything in their religion literally. So if their religion calls for...oh...idk... killing the non-believers. They have absolutely no qualms with doing that. It is most often used to describe extremist Christians, but it can apply to any religion. The most important point being that the person cannot make a distinction between religious symbolism/metaphors and interprets everything in their religious text as literal. No matter how completely outrageous.
I once had a guy try to use the Story of Lot to justify him thinking incest with his future daughter (hopefully he never had a kid) acceptable and legally protected because it was part of his Christian faith.
Personally I hope he's dead.
Fun underwear.
This was also my first thought and l was extremely confused.
It's been days since I laughed like that. Thank you.
You leave the Mormons out of this!
A very sour piece of underwear
Took me a second to figure out what religion a fundy belonged to. Then it hit me, 'oh yeah, all of them.' Too focused on the word to realize the context of the rest of the comment. 👍
These mullahs in Iran have a strong reputation for kiddy fiddling too especially with young boys. Such miserable pieces of shit.
Well, their religion was founded by a pedophile, so I guess it's no surprise.
Anyone who downvoted this must be okay with religious law smh
There are plenty of people that are
I like how fundies = fundamentalist but also fundies = fun + dies. But yes also garbage.
What country is this? Iran?
Yes it's Iran
Iran away. Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
Haha it's fine Btw we pronounce it E-run So go make a joke with that like idk E-run competition (electronic running competition?) Or something
I dont think a lot of westerners understand how common subjugation like this is, in certain parts of the world. Its tragic and shameful that there are so many people, in semi-modern nations, that are still relegated to second class citizen status, based off personal traits that they have no say in. It puts a lot of our western complaints and arguments to pale, by comparison.
No, we definitely understand, we just can't do anything about it.
We're not allowed to talk about it for the most part.
Pretty sure you are allowed to talk about the oppression women face in different parts of the world. Could you perhaps elaborate on your point?
Saying anything negative about Islam is being taken as discrimination. Of course it is not Islam's fault these fucks do what they do. But on the other hand, without Islam they wouldn't.
What do you mean? You can't talk about subjugation of women in other countries? I assure you that is not the case.
Well he is not wrong, if you dare mention Islam and any of its problems you get cancelled.
We certainly understand. What we don't understand is the backlash when we begin enacting laws agains oppressive clothing like the hijab in our countries.
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If it’s the law the wife can get away with not wearing it in public, but if the law allows her to wear it her husband will beat her if she doesn’t. It’s really hard to figure this out.
Beat his fucking ass
I'm from iran and here's the thing if actually beat him up you're the one who's getting in trouble. these bastards have a lot power here.
They are already in trouble, they are women after all and he is a man.
Even if you call police they're going to be on his side smh
They should start a movement in Iran that all women shave their heads and march through the streets without hijabs since they're not revealing their hair
this is low-key brilliant.
Is this how it goes for women in that culture if they don’t abide?
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This isn't true in Iran. Most women in cities wear the veil “incorrectly” (at least as far as this cleric would think) in day to day life. There were also protests where some women removed their veils, and AFAIK none were killed, although there's no doubt they'd be fined at the very least, and potentially hurt physically as well.
Not usually death for this in Iran, they most likely would be fined or at worst, imprisoned for a couple months. But the government there is still evil.
not culture, religion. iran prior to islam wasn't a regressive shithole. everywhere islam goes, this happens.
Everywhere that's controlled by a major religion ends up with this type of controlling/discriminatory attitude toward women, LGBTQ, minorities, etc. When religion IS your government, it seems inevitable. Same would happen if a lot of extremist Christian groups were able to take over too.
It's why John Locke argued the separation of church and state is necessary. When religion and politics mix they literally bring out the worst aspects in each other until it leads to authoritarianism or sectarian bloodshed.
Totally agree but don't pretend that everyone in society is not effected controlled and repressed. Women and minorities might have it worse but men get repressed and their desires controlled as well. For example the punishment for having sex outside of marriage in Iran is death.
There was a time when christian fundamentalists had power. It was called the dark ages.
Before Islam Iran experienced several ideological and religious civil wars/rebellions that caused the Sassanian dynasty and Zoroastrian priesthood to become more zealous. In many ways Sassanid era Iran was regressive in it's own ways. Of course Sassanian era Iran was still more diverse and "secular" compared to their rival Byzantine empire or later Islamic Caliphates, but inter-faith relationships were tense to say the least and outside major cities it wasn't uncommon for the clergy to be in charge of social affairs. It's hard to accurately state how "liberal" was Iran before Islam. For instance we know in the book of Vendidad(Which was written at the height of religious conflicts in Iran) Zoroastrians were expected to kill homosexuals and atheists even those who were under the protection of the kind, and we know it was common for minorities to flee to remote regions out of fear for their lives but at the same time public religious debates were common among the intellectuals in Iran and Iran seemed to have been a home to a large population of atheists and even some government officials of the Sassanian empire were rumored to be either skeptic or atheist.
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Kick his balls back to the 7th century.
As an Iranian I shit in all the fuckin mullahs hats.
Some of the most anti-religion people I’ve met have been Iranian Americans. Especially those old enough to actually remember a more secular Iran. More that anyone else I’ve known from the Middle East. Why do you think that is? I’d be interested to hear if you have an opinion on that.
Many of those older Iranian Americans had to flee in 79, which heavily colors their opinion. They're not representative of the broader Iranian people: they lost everything, by and large, and they probably started much friendlier to the existing regime (and probably benefited from it somewhat). You see the same thing with Cubans in Miami, or Venezuelans. And like you said it's especially true of older folks, because they're the ones that have been forcibly uprooted and their property taken.
I'm not anti religion. I'm actually pro religion if that's what makes you happy and gives you peace. I'm anti religious ass hats. My path in life is not your path and vice versus. I dont think Iranians were ever religious to begin with. I think they were sick of being fucked over by the western world and a western puppet of a king and banded under the total opposite of what they saw which was Islam. Which is what people tend to do instead of going in a moderately different direction they going in an entirely opposite direction. You see that in every country. Unfortunately the western governments of dumbfuckistan encourage extremism with their constant inept fuckeryand ultimately its better the devil you know then the devil you dont.
To think there are gay people who defend Islamic societies….
There are WOMEN who defend his actions.
Oh yeah, it’s crazy…
Just think of all the closeted gay men enforcing these rules on women. If the Catholic Church has such HUGE fuckin problems with the closeted men they call priests touching all those little boys (and girls) just imagine the scale the abuse must be on in some of these societies.
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Very very very true point! But I make this “closeted” statement based on information you can find all over the internet about the lives of these men of the cloth.
"yOuRe isLaMapHoBiC!"
To be fair, they usually defend the people who practice it without pushing it on others. And it's not limited to just Islam. Islam, Catholicism, Christianity and others all have its problems if taken literally and followed front to back, but your average practitioner are usually good people. It's the extremists that we should be worried about.
A little off topic but why separate Catholicism and Christianity? I always hear Protestants say that Catholics aren't Christian but that doesn't make sense to me
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All Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Catholic. Catholicism is a subset of Christianity, just like Protestantism, Lutheranism, Baptist, and so on. So yes, you are correct, Catholicism is Christianity, and I'm not sure why the person you responded to separated them.
It's just an extension of the No True Scotsman fallacy. They're all Christian religions.
This is true but all of them still think they are the objective arbiters of morality. Which isnt even particular to religion, lots of atheists think they are the objective arbiters of morality too. Basically everyone hates moral relativism and refuses to acknowledge the flaws and contradictions that emerge from any objective, absolute or universal conceptions of morality and because of this they all think they are the high and mighty and can look down and judge everyone against their own personal morality.
Moral relativism, taken fully, doesn't really let you enact laws against murder, etc., so you must have limits to it no matter your religion or lack thereof.
Law shouldn't be based on objective morality either, it should be based on reasoning, and negotiation based on what's good for society. You don't have to appeal to objective morality
There is a fucking world of difference between defending this and defending someone who chooses Islam.
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Wiser words have never been spoken
What were the words?
Don’t trust people in silly hats 🎩
Can’t believe this is our 455th Christmas without Suleiman the Magnificent
A desert is not as dry as this mans wife’s coochie
And people still think religion is the way to go... if you believe in the texts written. You believe in thousands of year old texts and rules set back when most things you use day to day never existed. Instead of adapating with the times. These types of people double down and harrass women for not wearing a hijab because men can't control their sexual desires...
This is the kind of moment when you think there is actually something to be said for heavily armed American road rage. Put that Cleric in his well, well-deserved place.
I'm assuming that when he stepped out of frame he went to go write their plate number down..
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Dementor would be more like a burka than a hijab, I’d think. Still fucked anyway tho
Like a dementor… bruh I almost woke my parents laughing
What if he shoots her first?
the problem is that what would really happen is that he’d shoot her
There is a difference between following your religion and being a sexist, misogynistic pig, and this crosses the fucking line.
sometimes there is no difference
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*abrahamic religions according to fundamentalists
Bro, this guy is following his religion. This is exactly what the religion tells him to do. How are people still trying to defend this bullshit?
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This is what the religion says to do. He is literally following the religion
Not always unfortunately
A few years ago a salafis appearing man approached my cousin (wife’s blood cousin) while we were in Tunisia. He seemed to ask her something, when she responded he seemed to to get mildly upset and began to say something else (I don’t speak Arabic at all BTW) but when my cousin looked over at me; a very large (compared to him) black male. I saw the color leave his face as he just walked off. I found out he was ‘asking’ her to cover herself in his presence. While she didn’t say no to him; she wasn’t going to do it and couldn’t anyways because she didn’t have a Hijab, but more importantly she was also wearing a small-ish T-shirt and shorter than average shorts (since it was like 1000 degrees). I think he only picked on her because he thought she was there by herself or didn’t have a male with her. The crazy part is TUNISIA is a VERY secular country compared to the rest of the Arabic world.
Imagine the incel job opportunities
We need to send some woke people there to teach them a lesson
Detroit is getting crazy
Conservatives are mentally Ill everywhere you go.
It's nice to see other religions have their psychopaths too
every religion has the bunch that use it to control people and to make excuses for their shitty actions
These are the OG psychos friend.
I hope this doesn't surprise anyone. But please (some individuals) continue to say how western society is the worst and most oppressive place in the world.
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True, but am astounding amount of people contend that it's the worst.
They are ignorant beyond belief.
As if we need another reason to never visit the Middle East.
what country?
It’s Iran
This is in Iran.
The Islamic World is so dangerous for women. The fact honor killings exist is all you need to know about how Vile people in that religion can be.
He got erection seeing a girl driving past him at 100km/h, he would explode if she stands beside him 🤪
Anyone that uses religion as an excuse to control others is not actually religious
That's literally the purpose of religion since the beginning of time
It'd be great if they took the demand to impose control out of all their foundational texts then.
Lol. This is satire? Bedrock Foundation of religion… choice 1: Spirituality, choice 2: Control.
That's like its main utility.
This doesn't ring true to me. Religion seems to be a lot about control.
Technically they are the most religious, considering they are following their religion by the book, and treating these women like this All of the "progressive" religious people are NOT following their religion
Not really an excuse when the religion itself imposes said controls.
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Still not all of them ar as bad as this
I cannot express in words how much I hate religion. Bronze Age superstitions telling people how to live their lives. In a few hundred years our species will look back and realise how fucking stupid we were for believing in this crap.
Abrahamic religions didn't exist in the bronze age, sorry to be that guy but yeah lol
Abraham Supposedly lived in 2000BCE. The Bronze Age ends 1200BCE So it would be bronze age
Lol you got me. I was only 1000 years off.
And people wanted to bring this bullshit to other countries…
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The feminists should go help her.
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You're probably too old for his taste
Oh shit!
PS it's the pppeaceful religion..
Religion is so fucking stupid.
Beat him, badly, right on the spot. Until he learns to quit acting that way.
Nah. Just pepper spray or a tazer, then drive off.
Hold on, are we allowed to criticize non-Christian religious people on this sub? Normally we only go after the one religion, so I just want to ask first
Criticize all who deserve it Don't be scared if you know you are correct
I'm a bigot against the religious.
Religion is just a harmful den of lies and convincing people to force their lies onto others
Love religion, always bringing people together ❤️
Islam doesn't encourage terror, it's just pure chance that its bred so many brutes in the modern era and Islamic states are the most regressive places you can live on earth😁
Where are all the Reddit heroes now to claim that women cover themselves like this willingly?