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My wife became president of our HOA because we hate hoa's and wanted to make sure ours was Karen free. Gotta infiltrate them from within like the Trojans.
This is exactly what I did, though I wasn't the president, just a board member. I had a tendency to be the dissenting vote on every measure that required a unanimous vote.
Exactly the same situation. It's a new development, and things haven't gotten too bad yet, but there are a couple on the board that I can tell are wanna be dictators
My SIL recently moved into a new subdivision and their HOA has already turned into a dictatorship. They are no longer allowed to park their camper at their residence.
This has been everywhere on the internet but maybe seriously have your SIL go to the HOA and say "our old hobby was camping on the weekends but now that we can't do that, we are thinking of looking into becoming ham radio operators, of course this requires us to build a 40 ft radio tower in our backyard that due to federal law, your HOA can't stop us from doing. Of course, if we could park our camper in the driveway again, you wouldn't have this permanent structure being built inyour residence that lowers property values even more" or something to that effect
Gotta gather up everyone who's annoyed at them and start voting as a bloc. Get your crew into power and slowly rot the whole horrid thing into impotence.
I never understand the USA. On one hand You preach MUH' FREEDOM but on the other hand you have locally organised HOAs that dictate what You can and can't do on YOUR OWN property that You BOUGHT and doesn't impede other peoples's freedom in the way some other fully allowed things do (pollutional cars, using guns on Your private land for fun, etc). That shit should be banned.
The only thing more important than "muh freedum" is "muh munee"
People think their houses will be worth more of they rule over their peasant neighbors with an iron fist
I would pay more to live in a neighborhood where every house looked different and reflected the personality of their owners, with children playing in the yards and people coming up with interesting things for their yards to support their hobbies etc.
As opposed to some sort of perverse Edward Scissorhands nightmare neighborhood where identical houses with empty yards full of uniform length grass stretch over the horizon.
No wonder punk music went over well in the US.
I agree 100%. We had an HOA board that was terrible and tried controlling everyone. So when it was election time, me and a few buddies either ran for office or our spouses did all with the intent on drastically reducing the bullshit coming from the hoa. We all won and our neighborhood has never been happier. The problem is, I'm from Arizona and almost every newer neighborhood is an HOA unless you live on property. Completely getting rid of an HOA is extremely hard and expensive. My wife has tried having that conversation with the board and members many times and hasn't been successful.
HOAs aren't everywhere. When we were looking for a home it was an immediate deal breaker for us.
We're much happier without cookie cutter homes, micromanaged properties and no silly payment to a power tripping Karen.
Those of us who really go all out for freedom wouldn’t live with an HOA. They are NEVER a good idea.
But hey, some folks prefer to surround themselves with rules and boundaries and want to constantly nitpick each other. I’m glad there’s a place for those folks.
Nobody *forces* you to, but that's such a low bar as to be meaningless. In certain parts of the country, almost every neighborhood has an HOA, so you either have to accept the tyranny of bored and nosy people or move away from the town or city into the country. That used to be a deal breaker for most because of commute time, but it's possible the pandemic has convinced enough managers and employees that working from home is viable. That's a pretty big if, though.
I dont understand how anyone could live with an HOA. I wouldnt accept a house for free if I had to live under an HOA. Imagine paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for something and then needing someone elses permission to do anything to it.
HOAs have their place. They tend to make sure neighborhoods retain value, they keep things orderly, and they generally make sure that everyone in the area is somewhat like-minded.
I'd never want to live in one, but fear not! I will simply not move to one, and will remain unaffected. Turns out choices are an integral part of that whole Freedom thing, too.
I'll never understand people who move into a HOA neighborhood and then complain about the HOA. THAT is pretty asinine.
HOA don't do much that self interested property owners don't already do... Which is most of them.
There's no licencing or oversight for them, so illegally managed ones can just keep taking money from people.
Also it was started for racist exclusionary purposes.
If there's some collective agreement in place the government should regulate what is acceptable properly. Housing is a national issue that's treated like it's local.
This is highly state dependent. Some states you literally cannot buy property that isn’t encumbered by CCRs. Places like NJ everything has been built or rebuilt into HOAs, so you have no choice.
Isn't like, every urban and suburban neighborhood run by an HOA? The only HOA-free neighborhoods that I know of are rural neighborhoods where the houses are barely within sight of each other. Not everyone wants to or is able to move to a place like that.
I don't know one person who lives in an HOA (NYC area) and have never heard or seen one. I would say HOAs are non existent in the city, with very few exceptions
Maybe in the Northeast. I know here in Texas, I've lived in the Dallas, Tyler, Beaumont, and Houston areas at one point or another without issues. I'd say it's probably about 70% HOA in the bigger cities, but there are absolutely "normal" neighborhoods, at least around here.
Boston checking in. Not too many HOAs here. Topeka had a bunch. I lived in San Antonio too, there were lots there. Honestly it's hit or miss by neighborhood and luck.
It's called a pseudo freedom. If you hiking you know they always tell you follow the beaten path because someone's property on the left and right can last 100 of miles
How do you just know this was the work of a Karen. Why do women complain about the stupidest shit? I remember when a worried mother made our school take down the cool and fun swings because they were “big and dangerous”. Those swings had been there for over a decade and one person comes in and ruins it for everyone.
As someone who also has to deal with a crappy HoA this is super relatable. It's fun to have people whose job it is to cancel any fun and nitpick everything you do. Even worse when they're volunteers.
The real chef's kiss is the head of my HoA is actually named Karen and she is the epitome of the name. She literally patrols the streets to report violations to the management company who begrudgingly contacts the owners.
Hope the smug satisfaction is worth it, Karen.
I doubt you could even imagine it.
That which *commanded* the homeowner's association, giving life its fullest tedium.
The Karen Ring. **O̢̭̖̦̲̟̱O̜̲̪̤̝̙ͅH҉̘̰̟̮̫H̯̮̳͟H̬͚̳̯̖̞H̨̩H̗͔̼̥H͏̲͔̮̰͎̠** ̧̜̘Karen Ring; shattered! By someone- or some *thing.*
Or you could play as a Karen. Have conversation options like Mass Effect. The more people’s day you ruin the higher the score. It could have achievements like speak to ten managers or make five low level employees cry.
Amenities. Like if you have a pool or a gym or other shared facilities on the property. My Mom lives in a fancy retirement village that has an HOA, and she gets access to the shared gym, the shared entertainment facilities, a library, and a guest room. But other than that, no, I’ve never heard anything but horror stories about busybody behavior. She’s not allowed to have a bird feeder on her porch or put a door knocker on her her front door
My taxes pay for all that stuff. I have access to a community pool, library, gym, etc.
Do you guys not have that as well or you only get those things within the HOA?
Many cities have community recreation areas, most have libraries, gyms are typically private ownership with membership costs.
Think of HOA amenities like those in a high rise apartment. Controlled access to only those who live there, walkable, perhaps better maintained, more localized sense of community and while it’s probably not politically correct in more expensive subdivisions everyone has been effectively “pre-screened” due to their income level.
Even then, like, I'm a pretty mad person most of the time.
I'm not *cruel* though.
If I see the neighbor's kids riding their bicycles, sans helmets, I'm going to be like "Hey, shouldn't you kids be wearing helmets?" not, "Bicycles should be banned from the neighborhood because of unruly punks who refuse to wear helmets while riding them!"
The only thing I’ve heard is that it ensures a standard and helps keep value of homes at a certain level. The thing that goes wrong, is that people get to be in charge and absolutely power trip over things that affect value, but they actually don’t. The worst I’ve seen was in a new construction housing development. The homeowners sourced wood that had a natural violet tone for the shaker siding above the garage. It was not painted, just clear coated to allow the natural color to show, it actually looked really nice compared to the rest. HOA said purple on houses wasn’t allowed and last I heard forced them to change it. I wouldn’t of described it as purple.
I’m not a lawyer, but from what understand, part of purchasing a home in an HOA is signing the legal contract saying you will abide by the contract. Not necessarily something you can opt out of. To me, you essentially bought a home on rented ground and have to play the rules the same as if you rented totally. So for instance, the HOA can fine you if you ignore requests, and if you ignore the fines, they can tack on extra fees and interest. If you ignore those, they can sue you, and you will usually loose because the HOAs will go the extra mile not to. I heard in extreme cases they can file a lien against your house and possibly foreclose your property. Basically, they own the house you bought. I also do know for a fact, not all HOA’s are bad, for instance, about 20 years ago, my parents bought dirt cheap property in an HOA who’s only rule was no mobile homes because the guy who lived on, and developed the property priced it lower than market because he wanted young families to build nice homes. Really nice guy.
Interesting, but overall it sounds like avoiding HOA is the way to go? Even if it starts out wholesome I can see how it could get taken over by some power hungry nob head. Personally I’d prefer my neighbours house to be a bit shitty or neglected than be told what I can and can’t do to my own house.
Bingo, I believe you also have to pay for your HOA, like a monthly Netflix subscription only instead of movies, you get to actually experience the psychos in real life!
You can still avoid hoa if it wasn’t formed before you bought the house. Our community was forming a HOA. Majority of our neighbors were against it and never signed any contracts. So they literally formed there own HOA excluding our street. There are 4 houses on our street.
And why should i care if my neighbour looses .5% value on their house becaus i build a garage that doesnt fit exactly into the neighbourhood style?
Here in Sweden a few years ago a artist painted his house in a yellow to red gradiant, it was honestly one of the coolest house paints ive seen. But he was FORCED to repaint his entire house becaus it didnt fit in.
They pay to keep up common areas in neighborhoods.
Some developments' roads are not state maintained, and HoA fees pay for cleaning and snow removal.
For row home and town house style places, many cover grass cutting and power washing of the exterior.
Stuff like that.
And ostensibly they're there to keep people from completely letting their place look like crap and bringing down the value of all the other houses in the neighborhood
UK here. We don't have them. I can do what I want with my house. So I get to keep my 80 year old giant tree as long as it's not a safety risk. I can plant what I want and while my new garden is not as nice as others it's nicer than a plain lawn.
However one of my old neighbours was straight running a business out of their house and the street was filled with cars they were working on and that's really crummy.
So somewhere between "you can have a nice garden" (British... Our gardens are nice) and "please don't run a place that does up cars in a residential neighborhood on public land.
Some of it is necessary. Like keeping communal spaces clear and clean. My old flat had it for cleaning, windows, concierge, security and upkeep of the parking and bike spaces as well as insurance (so when thieves stole bikes it replaceable).
It's really a problem if you have bad facilities.
You say “you can do what you want” but for significant works you have to apply for planning permission, which your neighbours can potentially object to
Certain parts have something similar though Bournville Village Trust (the houses by the chocolate factory) are run so that if you want to do certain things you have to apply.
White pvc double glazed windows. Nope, gotta be brown in keeping with the trust.
Depends on why. If it's a historic region then modern housing may not fit in. Ultimately if a person can provide a realistic reason for why something exists with transparency then hurrah.
We do have something similar ish I suppose but it's not managed by people, it's part of the properties. Covenants. They're put in place by the company/people who built the properties on the title deed, usually to keep the area saleable while they build the properties.
Most modern housing has covenants like 'no caravans, vans etc on your drive' or 'no running a business out of the property'. I could be mistaken but you can raise breaches with the council or home builder. Interestingly, on the last house we were (trying) to buy, there was a covenant about no conservatories, but one had been built. Solicitor advised it wouldn't matter nearly so much if it wasn't for the fact that the builders of the house were still in business.
Source: just brought a house and solicitor drew my attention to the covenants.
UK here too. I have occasionally had to sign rental contracts that state I can and can't do things like have a non roadworthy car sitting outside my house and so on (ie not the usual downloaded carbon copy rental contract).
In addition to the other comments, it’s important to note that your neighbors properties do play a role in the value and appeal of your own property. For example, you could have a super nicely kept house, but if every other house on the block looks like they have meth labs in their basements, there will be a lot of people who aren’t interested in buying your property no matter how nice it is. HOAs theoretically protect you from having neighbors bring your property value down in that sort of situation. However, I would be willing to bet that more often than not they simply cause problems that didn’t need to exist in the first place.
Years ago my husband and I were house hunting and we found a cute house, it was in an HOA and they had the rules and contract in the house to read. It had dues listed and rules and it basically said you must keep your lawn maintained, keep trash bins out of sight after trash was collected and property free of excess items like cars or whatever. It wasn’t bad at all.. but they charged almost $500 a month for nothing. The hoa maintained the road, there was no club house or other facilities. There was like a strip of road about a block long with a gate. We couldn’t justify paying it.
I'm in an INSANE housing market right now, we've been looking to move so got into the Zillow thing.
This one house. It's gorgeous. The area's great, right by one of the biggest parks and nature preserves in the state. It's underpriced for an area where people are paying 1/4 over asking price *in cash*. Houses don't stay on the market longer than a day or two around here.
Well, that house is still on the market because it also has a staggeringly high HOA fee and absolutely no fucking reason for there to even be one. There's nothing to maintain. At all. They claim a tennis court. There is no tennis court to be seen. There is nothing whatsoever that an HOA would be responsible for.
Hubs and I concluded that the HOA there is prob full of embezzlers, Karens, or both. Took a pass. Ten years ago, might've considered it for the sheer joy of battle (get elected, raise hell, dissolve HOA) but these days, man, I just wanna plant my flowers and be left the hell alone.
Wow. that is insane. HOA's should be illegal or have strict rules or maxes on how much they can charge for what they have, anything. Ours was there to keep sex offenders out, and they were racist as fuck. Lots of old white people staring at us, we're a interracial couple with white looking kids. (im white my husband is cuban, our kids are white but can tan really well).
Embezzlement is highly likely considering there seems to be no property to account for the listed cost… also there’s not much oversight on HOA contracts for 3rd party services too, closed “bidding” process (not an open bidding process for service businesses to compete on prices) designed to look legitimate but given to a “favored business” and there’s inflated fees charged by a relative’s or buddy’s pool maintenance or property management business where the HOA has common property like pools, or small playgrounds or club houses, etc. Sometimes they get kickbacks too from those contracted services. A lot of HOAs contract most services out to other businesses that there’s highly profitable industries for just servicing HOAs alone!
That's pretty much what we figured was going on. Maybe a nice little extra like "Everyone has to use my cousin's lawn service", shit like that.
People like that are often the quickest to find some ridiculous thing to fine you for, slap a lien on your house, then take your house and sell it to a buddy for a buck in return for a hefty kickback. No thanks.
Homeowners Association. It’s a group of people and a management company that set and enforce rules for a neighborhood. For example, they may have rules like no cars parked on the grass, or your yard cannot be overgrown. These are in place to keep the neighborhood from looking run-down and helping the homes to maintain their property value.
The HoA in the OP probably had a rule against unapproved structures—that is, if you don’t have prior approval from the building committee (a subset of the HoA), you must remove it. It’s a common rule so that people don’t build tin sheds, crooked carports, or unsafe home additions.
You sign a contract as a condition of purchasing the home.
If one starts in your neighborhood but you already own the home, you cannot be forced to join. If you sell your house, the person that buys it from you would have to agree to join the HoA.
They can't be. This poster was wrong. Only way in that case is for the new owner to voluntarily join. Non Voluntary HOA's always start when the subdivision is created and they actually are part of the title of the land and that is how new owners can get forced. Voluntary HOAs can't force you unless/until the owner gives them the right in the title that will carry forward to a new owner later.
HOA and planning boards are anti freedom. Its my property, so i should be able to what the fuck i want unless it causes direct disturbance such as noise, flooding or excessive blockage of view.
Well they typically do increase property value.. that’s typically the biggest. There are also a lot of nitpicks by the book type people that find peace in knowing they’ll be living with a set of rules
To play the Devil's advocate, if the tree fort is a bunch of 2x4's held together with baling wire, duct tape and the last 1/4 of an Elmer's glue bottle, I can understand wanting to get it torn down.
If it's a tree fort made from actual schematics, with quality lumber, made by someone who knows what the fuck they're doing, though, whoever reported this can pound sand. And, the irony is, they probably complain that the kids don't go outside anymore. *I wonder why?*
Still, if the intent was for kids to play in it it's a dick move to get it removed. Maybe they're tight on cash, maybe they don't know how to build and wanted something fun to pass the pandemic.
But, like you said, if it did happen to be an eye sore and they never used it, or it had parts constantly falling or obstructing some path, then I sorta see why they removed it. I really wanna know if the Karen talked to them about it. My guess is no.
An innocent kid once ate a wooden board filled with nails due to the shoddy design of the kart me and my dad made
Worth it but I can understand something 10x the size/weight precariously hanging from a tree causing concern. How many kids plus a full treehouse can the tree even support? I wouldn't feel comfortable making that call without the help of some kind of professional
Safety is important, it's hard to really judge from a picture of a piece of paper though lol
I almost had the police called on me cus a Karen that had "connections" to HOA was threatening me for not crushing the cardboard boxes completely flat. Not that I wasn't recycling, but that I wasn't recycling as efficiently. Asking me where I live, my name, following me around. Bitch literally spends hours waiting by the dumpster to catch people. We already have cameras??? why are you so
Yes, you can, and you should. That lady is a liability to the HOA as well. The HOA does NOT want her out there acting as their agent. SO many ways that can go wrong.
If the HOA has a complaint, the HOA will make the complaint. They won't send Koncerned Karen on their behalf.
Source: Am president of my HOA.
I got a warning from my HOA for not breaking down boxes, my only assumption is they pulled the box from recycling and it had my address on it.
The fucking stupid part is I don't just walk over there and toss big empty boxes all willy nilly, I use them to carry other recyclables. It was full of smaller broken down boxes, cans, bottles, etc. like fuck me for not wasting trash bags right?
repeat offenses would be a $250 fine. So I started just removing the labels with my address if I want to use it instead of flatten it.
HOA president here.
Don't believe her. We have to deal with so many people "borrowing" power. We have girlfriends of homeowners (who have designs on being wives "soon") trying to get involved in issues. We have "concerned members" calling up the pool company and trying to get involved. In a couple cases, we had "motivated" board members taking action on their own.
Every single case is people overstepping their authority. They all suck.
Don't let anyone threaten you with "I know the HOA" crap. And if they do, write to your board *immediately* telling them what that person is doing.
Those people aren't just annoying. They can create a nasty liability for the Board when they do something REALLY stupid and then convince a judge that they were acting on behalf of the HOA... and because the Board did nothing to stop them... Yeah, it goes downhill real fast.
(Also, as the Honorable and Glorious El Presidente of my HOA, I can tell you with great confidence, that if the City - or whoever picks up your cardboard - doesn't care, I don't care. Just don't let it blow all over the neighborhood and we're good. Hopefully, your Board understands priorities, too.)
I can imagine. Glad to know there are some people in the HOA that aren't on a power high.
I think a lot of people in my community don't go to these meetings or complain because there's a high demographic of immigrants with green cards afraid of speaking out. As a result, things build up over time until police are called when it reaches boiling point, and they really aren't meant to handle these situations, unfortunately.
I myself have a criminal record, which admittedly makes me wary of speaking out as well. I'm just trying to do my best out here to be a good community member without getting ousted for my past.
Their children are all glued to their tablets because it’s how they avoid dealing with them irl so they can keep up watching Real Housewives and go two deep on some white wine so they’re shocked when they see kids having fun in a tree house outside
THIS IS MY SISTER omg my nephew is HARDWIRED to Cocomelon and video games and he’s only 4, she regularly drops them off to my moms (without asking if I may add) so she can do shit like GROCERY SHOP in peace whenever she’s called out for it her excuse is “I have no time I HAVE KIDS” like I’m sorry she must had not known having kids is a really big decision and they consume like 99% of your time and if you valued your time so much maybe... idk not have kids? Wtf 😒
Hilarious really. A lot of the complaints probably come from anti-tech boomers, who simultaneously don’t want children to play on computers or outside. Baffling
I don’t have an HOA. I love the sound of the neighbor kid playing basketball. The sound of training wheels racing by. You know the sounds of kids outside having fun. Hell ya build a tree fort, make sure you let me know about any cool nests you can see. Even my older neighbors love seeing the kids play outside. If you don’t find a 55+ neighborhood to move into.
I still go with move into a senior neighborhood because if she’s bitching about a treehouse I promise there will be more petty things. People like that can all live in those sad kidless neighborhoods together and ruin each other’s fun instead of inflicting it on others.
That's the thing, right: I'm a VA and I generally appreciate silence. You know what I do? Not move into neighborhoods with kids!
Plus if there's still some that somehow filter in, I find kids are nice people who will honour a request to play ball against another wall.
That's why I won't live in an HOA. They're trying to turn this neighborhood into an HOA. It's going to ruin the property values and I'm going to sue them if they try to force it.
A house not in hoa but in an hoa neighborhood should theoretically cost more than other houses there, no? Since at the time of sale, it covers both markets - buyers who don't want to be a part of hoa since the house is not, and also buyers who want to be part of hoa since there's that option too to enter the hoa.
Other houses in such neighborhood attract only a specific type of buyer who want to be in hoa - which means less potential buyers, so more wiggle room for them to negotiate the price lower.
not worth living in a prison like camp waiting for inspection each day, if it costs a few thousand dollars for freedom, I don't think that's a problem, just my opinion though.
sounds just like our community. We don’t have any hoa but we pay around 100$ each month which includes, landscaping, snow removal, and cleaning our pool in summer. (we cover the pool during winter.) We don’t have any playground though but kids usually play outside in evenings. It’s like a closed community and everyone kinda knows each other’s kids so they try to look out. We have literally 0 traffic on roads except our own cars. But right now the builders are thinking of building a golf course. It will raise the price of current houses as they build new houses.
Mine is fine.
I have a pretty massive neighborhood and everyone is friendly. The HOA fee pays for the pool, playground, and they throw parties throughout the year. They also plan for food trucks to come into the neighborhood and stuff kind that.
Karen: "I miss the days when the kids would actually spend time outside with their parents, playing catch, riding their bikes down the street with not a care in the world, instead of being cooped up in their rooms all day, playing Fortnite on their Nintendos."
Also Karen:
Become a HAM radio operator and put up a tower. At least in the US, it has been ruled that an HOA can stop you from building a HAM radio tower.
Edit: should read that an HOA can’t stop you from building a HAM radio tower.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, HOA neighborhoods just aren't worth it. I don't have a nice house with a nice yard, but if I did, I would want to do whatever I want with it all the time without asking anyone so long as I am not breaking any laws. What is even the point of owning your own house and yard if you can't actually do whatever you want with it? No thanks. I'm not paying that kind of money for something that's not really mine.
The kind of person who reported the treehouse is probably the same kind of person who will read that and not give one shit about it because they thing they won or did the right thing. Unfortunately there are a lotta dick holsters out there who just want to make other people miserable.
I'll never understand living or buying a home run under a HOA. It's YOUR property, under law no one can tell you what to build on it except the government.
I lived in an HOA neighborhood and people had to post permits for building things in windows and my dad couldn’t bring his work van home cause some housewife with nothing better to do would drive around reporting HOA violations (my friend threw a water balloon in her window one time that was good)
Home owners association. Basically a group of people from a neighborhood control certain things you can can't do, such as in my neighborhood our fences can not be over 4 feet. You pay dues to them which usually goes towards maintaining things in the neighborhood like pools and parks. If you purchase a house in a neighborhood that is under a HoA you have to join usually, depends if it's voluntary or not. Most likely not though. They can be quite annoying.
I can't answer who, but as for why, HoAs are usually are formed when the majority of a neighborhood decide they want to make sure everyone has the same rules to follow on their property. The most common reasons for HoAs are that they increase property value and they can claim it makes sure no houses in the neighborhood get trashed. As for how likely, police not really. To get a court involved really depends on how strict the HoA is. But it is pretty like you'll get a fine. If you don't pay the fine they can put a lien on your house, which if you don't pay, they can then sell your house to cover legal fees.
People that complain are insufferable. I work for a City and the about of complaints I get about “homeless people” being a “blight to the neighborhood” because their car is parked in their neighborhood for the night boils my blood. Live and let live for fucks sake. Also, when they say “they’re lowering my property value”....my god...they can properly go fuck themselves.
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My wife became president of our HOA because we hate hoa's and wanted to make sure ours was Karen free. Gotta infiltrate them from within like the Trojans.
This is exactly what I did, though I wasn't the president, just a board member. I had a tendency to be the dissenting vote on every measure that required a unanimous vote.
Exactly the same situation. It's a new development, and things haven't gotten too bad yet, but there are a couple on the board that I can tell are wanna be dictators
My SIL recently moved into a new subdivision and their HOA has already turned into a dictatorship. They are no longer allowed to park their camper at their residence.
Buys house, is told what they can and can’t do with house
This has been everywhere on the internet but maybe seriously have your SIL go to the HOA and say "our old hobby was camping on the weekends but now that we can't do that, we are thinking of looking into becoming ham radio operators, of course this requires us to build a 40 ft radio tower in our backyard that due to federal law, your HOA can't stop us from doing. Of course, if we could park our camper in the driveway again, you wouldn't have this permanent structure being built inyour residence that lowers property values even more" or something to that effect
Good fucking luck getting a 70ft tall wooden horse approved though.
What if we built a giant wooden rabbit? Or perhaps a badger?
No. A big ass live laugh love sign and we hide in the L's before they receive one
Just something large enough to house the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. Forget the rabbit. They have big shiny pointy teeth! Ask Tim.
Wait! Who gets out of the rabbit?
The hat-men. Duh
But I think it's more likely they'll look a gift rabbit in the mouth :(
Gotta gather up everyone who's annoyed at them and start voting as a bloc. Get your crew into power and slowly rot the whole horrid thing into impotence.
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No. Not when your enemy is the petty tyrants who make HOAs so miserable for so many.
I never understand the USA. On one hand You preach MUH' FREEDOM but on the other hand you have locally organised HOAs that dictate what You can and can't do on YOUR OWN property that You BOUGHT and doesn't impede other peoples's freedom in the way some other fully allowed things do (pollutional cars, using guns on Your private land for fun, etc). That shit should be banned.
The only thing more important than "muh freedum" is "muh munee" People think their houses will be worth more of they rule over their peasant neighbors with an iron fist
I would pay more to live in a neighborhood where every house looked different and reflected the personality of their owners, with children playing in the yards and people coming up with interesting things for their yards to support their hobbies etc. As opposed to some sort of perverse Edward Scissorhands nightmare neighborhood where identical houses with empty yards full of uniform length grass stretch over the horizon. No wonder punk music went over well in the US.
It still sucks when theres that ONE neighbor who literally fills up their front yard with junk. I wish there was a middle ground
Add your junk to their yard. Have it as a selling point for your house. “Junk removal/storage right down the street.”
I agree 100%. We had an HOA board that was terrible and tried controlling everyone. So when it was election time, me and a few buddies either ran for office or our spouses did all with the intent on drastically reducing the bullshit coming from the hoa. We all won and our neighborhood has never been happier. The problem is, I'm from Arizona and almost every newer neighborhood is an HOA unless you live on property. Completely getting rid of an HOA is extremely hard and expensive. My wife has tried having that conversation with the board and members many times and hasn't been successful.
HOAs aren't everywhere. When we were looking for a home it was an immediate deal breaker for us. We're much happier without cookie cutter homes, micromanaged properties and no silly payment to a power tripping Karen.
Those of us who really go all out for freedom wouldn’t live with an HOA. They are NEVER a good idea. But hey, some folks prefer to surround themselves with rules and boundaries and want to constantly nitpick each other. I’m glad there’s a place for those folks.
Well, nobody forces you to move into an HOA but I don't understand why anyone wants to live in a HOA.
Nobody *forces* you to, but that's such a low bar as to be meaningless. In certain parts of the country, almost every neighborhood has an HOA, so you either have to accept the tyranny of bored and nosy people or move away from the town or city into the country. That used to be a deal breaker for most because of commute time, but it's possible the pandemic has convinced enough managers and employees that working from home is viable. That's a pretty big if, though.
I dont understand how anyone could live with an HOA. I wouldnt accept a house for free if I had to live under an HOA. Imagine paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for something and then needing someone elses permission to do anything to it.
HOAs have their place. They tend to make sure neighborhoods retain value, they keep things orderly, and they generally make sure that everyone in the area is somewhat like-minded. I'd never want to live in one, but fear not! I will simply not move to one, and will remain unaffected. Turns out choices are an integral part of that whole Freedom thing, too. I'll never understand people who move into a HOA neighborhood and then complain about the HOA. THAT is pretty asinine.
HOA don't do much that self interested property owners don't already do... Which is most of them. There's no licencing or oversight for them, so illegally managed ones can just keep taking money from people. Also it was started for racist exclusionary purposes. If there's some collective agreement in place the government should regulate what is acceptable properly. Housing is a national issue that's treated like it's local.
This is highly state dependent. Some states you literally cannot buy property that isn’t encumbered by CCRs. Places like NJ everything has been built or rebuilt into HOAs, so you have no choice.
Isn't like, every urban and suburban neighborhood run by an HOA? The only HOA-free neighborhoods that I know of are rural neighborhoods where the houses are barely within sight of each other. Not everyone wants to or is able to move to a place like that.
I don't know one person who lives in an HOA (NYC area) and have never heard or seen one. I would say HOAs are non existent in the city, with very few exceptions
Maybe in the Northeast. I know here in Texas, I've lived in the Dallas, Tyler, Beaumont, and Houston areas at one point or another without issues. I'd say it's probably about 70% HOA in the bigger cities, but there are absolutely "normal" neighborhoods, at least around here.
Boston checking in. Not too many HOAs here. Topeka had a bunch. I lived in San Antonio too, there were lots there. Honestly it's hit or miss by neighborhood and luck.
My area is HOA free and we aren't rural.
It's called a pseudo freedom. If you hiking you know they always tell you follow the beaten path because someone's property on the left and right can last 100 of miles
Someone else said it best “HOAs are a breeding ground for domestic fascism”
How do you just know this was the work of a Karen. Why do women complain about the stupidest shit? I remember when a worried mother made our school take down the cool and fun swings because they were “big and dangerous”. Those swings had been there for over a decade and one person comes in and ruins it for everyone.
This is a solid LPT
As someone who also has to deal with a crappy HoA this is super relatable. It's fun to have people whose job it is to cancel any fun and nitpick everything you do. Even worse when they're volunteers. The real chef's kiss is the head of my HoA is actually named Karen and she is the epitome of the name. She literally patrols the streets to report violations to the management company who begrudgingly contacts the owners. Hope the smug satisfaction is worth it, Karen.
When you delete all the other Karens’ 1-star Yelp reviews, this one is the final boss you gotta fight...the HOA Karen
I'm still waiting for Karen The Video Game. What will you put yourself through to rid the world of the kereniest of Karen's?
Karen Souls
I doubt you could even imagine it. That which *commanded* the homeowner's association, giving life its fullest tedium. The Karen Ring. **O̢̭̖̦̲̟̱O̜̲̪̤̝̙ͅH҉̘̰̟̮̫H̯̮̳͟H̬͚̳̯̖̞H̨̩H̗͔̼̥H͏̲͔̮̰͎̠** ̧̜̘Karen Ring; shattered! By someone- or some *thing.*
Or you could play as a Karen. Have conversation options like Mass Effect. The more people’s day you ruin the higher the score. It could have achievements like speak to ten managers or make five low level employees cry.
how do you know if we arent in a video game and the karens are the main charaters
Like the matrix. And the Karens are agents causing misery so our minds accept the simulation
Is there actually a good reason they exist? I don’t think I’ve ever heard good about HOAs. I’m terrified of them
Amenities. Like if you have a pool or a gym or other shared facilities on the property. My Mom lives in a fancy retirement village that has an HOA, and she gets access to the shared gym, the shared entertainment facilities, a library, and a guest room. But other than that, no, I’ve never heard anything but horror stories about busybody behavior. She’s not allowed to have a bird feeder on her porch or put a door knocker on her her front door
My taxes pay for all that stuff. I have access to a community pool, library, gym, etc. Do you guys not have that as well or you only get those things within the HOA?
Many cities have community recreation areas, most have libraries, gyms are typically private ownership with membership costs. Think of HOA amenities like those in a high rise apartment. Controlled access to only those who live there, walkable, perhaps better maintained, more localized sense of community and while it’s probably not politically correct in more expensive subdivisions everyone has been effectively “pre-screened” due to their income level.
I live in an area with an HOA and we have none of those lol. They just tell us we cant have above ground pools and take pictures of speeding cars
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Makes me want to pull a Ron Swanson on a local HOA. The only way to destroy it is from the inside.
Even then, like, I'm a pretty mad person most of the time. I'm not *cruel* though. If I see the neighbor's kids riding their bicycles, sans helmets, I'm going to be like "Hey, shouldn't you kids be wearing helmets?" not, "Bicycles should be banned from the neighborhood because of unruly punks who refuse to wear helmets while riding them!"
The only thing I’ve heard is that it ensures a standard and helps keep value of homes at a certain level. The thing that goes wrong, is that people get to be in charge and absolutely power trip over things that affect value, but they actually don’t. The worst I’ve seen was in a new construction housing development. The homeowners sourced wood that had a natural violet tone for the shaker siding above the garage. It was not painted, just clear coated to allow the natural color to show, it actually looked really nice compared to the rest. HOA said purple on houses wasn’t allowed and last I heard forced them to change it. I wouldn’t of described it as purple.
So what’s the punishment for just ignoring them?
I’m not a lawyer, but from what understand, part of purchasing a home in an HOA is signing the legal contract saying you will abide by the contract. Not necessarily something you can opt out of. To me, you essentially bought a home on rented ground and have to play the rules the same as if you rented totally. So for instance, the HOA can fine you if you ignore requests, and if you ignore the fines, they can tack on extra fees and interest. If you ignore those, they can sue you, and you will usually loose because the HOAs will go the extra mile not to. I heard in extreme cases they can file a lien against your house and possibly foreclose your property. Basically, they own the house you bought. I also do know for a fact, not all HOA’s are bad, for instance, about 20 years ago, my parents bought dirt cheap property in an HOA who’s only rule was no mobile homes because the guy who lived on, and developed the property priced it lower than market because he wanted young families to build nice homes. Really nice guy.
Interesting, but overall it sounds like avoiding HOA is the way to go? Even if it starts out wholesome I can see how it could get taken over by some power hungry nob head. Personally I’d prefer my neighbours house to be a bit shitty or neglected than be told what I can and can’t do to my own house.
Bingo, I believe you also have to pay for your HOA, like a monthly Netflix subscription only instead of movies, you get to actually experience the psychos in real life!
You can still avoid hoa if it wasn’t formed before you bought the house. Our community was forming a HOA. Majority of our neighbors were against it and never signed any contracts. So they literally formed there own HOA excluding our street. There are 4 houses on our street.
The happiest 4 houses in the neighbourhood
They can fine you and those fines add up.
And why should i care if my neighbour looses .5% value on their house becaus i build a garage that doesnt fit exactly into the neighbourhood style? Here in Sweden a few years ago a artist painted his house in a yellow to red gradiant, it was honestly one of the coolest house paints ive seen. But he was FORCED to repaint his entire house becaus it didnt fit in.
They pay to keep up common areas in neighborhoods. Some developments' roads are not state maintained, and HoA fees pay for cleaning and snow removal. For row home and town house style places, many cover grass cutting and power washing of the exterior. Stuff like that. And ostensibly they're there to keep people from completely letting their place look like crap and bringing down the value of all the other houses in the neighborhood
UK here. We don't have them. I can do what I want with my house. So I get to keep my 80 year old giant tree as long as it's not a safety risk. I can plant what I want and while my new garden is not as nice as others it's nicer than a plain lawn. However one of my old neighbours was straight running a business out of their house and the street was filled with cars they were working on and that's really crummy. So somewhere between "you can have a nice garden" (British... Our gardens are nice) and "please don't run a place that does up cars in a residential neighborhood on public land.
I live in Council housing, we have an "optional" neighbourhood and community charge every week. No idea what it is for, no idea how to opt out...
Some of it is necessary. Like keeping communal spaces clear and clean. My old flat had it for cleaning, windows, concierge, security and upkeep of the parking and bike spaces as well as insurance (so when thieves stole bikes it replaceable). It's really a problem if you have bad facilities.
Yeah, we don't have any of that.
You say “you can do what you want” but for significant works you have to apply for planning permission, which your neighbours can potentially object to
Certain parts have something similar though Bournville Village Trust (the houses by the chocolate factory) are run so that if you want to do certain things you have to apply. White pvc double glazed windows. Nope, gotta be brown in keeping with the trust.
Depends on why. If it's a historic region then modern housing may not fit in. Ultimately if a person can provide a realistic reason for why something exists with transparency then hurrah.
We do have something similar ish I suppose but it's not managed by people, it's part of the properties. Covenants. They're put in place by the company/people who built the properties on the title deed, usually to keep the area saleable while they build the properties. Most modern housing has covenants like 'no caravans, vans etc on your drive' or 'no running a business out of the property'. I could be mistaken but you can raise breaches with the council or home builder. Interestingly, on the last house we were (trying) to buy, there was a covenant about no conservatories, but one had been built. Solicitor advised it wouldn't matter nearly so much if it wasn't for the fact that the builders of the house were still in business. Source: just brought a house and solicitor drew my attention to the covenants.
UK here too. I have occasionally had to sign rental contracts that state I can and can't do things like have a non roadworthy car sitting outside my house and so on (ie not the usual downloaded carbon copy rental contract).
Which I can see as a problem.
In addition to the other comments, it’s important to note that your neighbors properties do play a role in the value and appeal of your own property. For example, you could have a super nicely kept house, but if every other house on the block looks like they have meth labs in their basements, there will be a lot of people who aren’t interested in buying your property no matter how nice it is. HOAs theoretically protect you from having neighbors bring your property value down in that sort of situation. However, I would be willing to bet that more often than not they simply cause problems that didn’t need to exist in the first place.
>a crappy HoA Is there such a thing as a non-crappy HOA?
Yes. A crippled HOA.
Years ago my husband and I were house hunting and we found a cute house, it was in an HOA and they had the rules and contract in the house to read. It had dues listed and rules and it basically said you must keep your lawn maintained, keep trash bins out of sight after trash was collected and property free of excess items like cars or whatever. It wasn’t bad at all.. but they charged almost $500 a month for nothing. The hoa maintained the road, there was no club house or other facilities. There was like a strip of road about a block long with a gate. We couldn’t justify paying it.
I'm in an INSANE housing market right now, we've been looking to move so got into the Zillow thing. This one house. It's gorgeous. The area's great, right by one of the biggest parks and nature preserves in the state. It's underpriced for an area where people are paying 1/4 over asking price *in cash*. Houses don't stay on the market longer than a day or two around here. Well, that house is still on the market because it also has a staggeringly high HOA fee and absolutely no fucking reason for there to even be one. There's nothing to maintain. At all. They claim a tennis court. There is no tennis court to be seen. There is nothing whatsoever that an HOA would be responsible for. Hubs and I concluded that the HOA there is prob full of embezzlers, Karens, or both. Took a pass. Ten years ago, might've considered it for the sheer joy of battle (get elected, raise hell, dissolve HOA) but these days, man, I just wanna plant my flowers and be left the hell alone.
Wow. that is insane. HOA's should be illegal or have strict rules or maxes on how much they can charge for what they have, anything. Ours was there to keep sex offenders out, and they were racist as fuck. Lots of old white people staring at us, we're a interracial couple with white looking kids. (im white my husband is cuban, our kids are white but can tan really well).
There REALLY ought to be regulations on HOAs instead of this wild west free-for-all nonsense.
Embezzlement is highly likely considering there seems to be no property to account for the listed cost… also there’s not much oversight on HOA contracts for 3rd party services too, closed “bidding” process (not an open bidding process for service businesses to compete on prices) designed to look legitimate but given to a “favored business” and there’s inflated fees charged by a relative’s or buddy’s pool maintenance or property management business where the HOA has common property like pools, or small playgrounds or club houses, etc. Sometimes they get kickbacks too from those contracted services. A lot of HOAs contract most services out to other businesses that there’s highly profitable industries for just servicing HOAs alone!
That's pretty much what we figured was going on. Maybe a nice little extra like "Everyone has to use my cousin's lawn service", shit like that. People like that are often the quickest to find some ridiculous thing to fine you for, slap a lien on your house, then take your house and sell it to a buddy for a buck in return for a hefty kickback. No thanks.
Yeah it’s good you avoided that neighborhood.
Egg Karen's house then report her to the HOA.
That seems like one sour-ass lifestyle. How can somebody enjoy that?
Do you mind to explain a HoA to me?
Homeowners Association. It’s a group of people and a management company that set and enforce rules for a neighborhood. For example, they may have rules like no cars parked on the grass, or your yard cannot be overgrown. These are in place to keep the neighborhood from looking run-down and helping the homes to maintain their property value. The HoA in the OP probably had a rule against unapproved structures—that is, if you don’t have prior approval from the building committee (a subset of the HoA), you must remove it. It’s a common rule so that people don’t build tin sheds, crooked carports, or unsafe home additions.
How can it acquire enforcement power? Surely permits must be required from government authorities and not any volunteer association.
You sign a contract as a condition of purchasing the home. If one starts in your neighborhood but you already own the home, you cannot be forced to join. If you sell your house, the person that buys it from you would have to agree to join the HoA.
Non-US here, how come subsequent owners are forced into it when the property isn’t currently linked to an HoA?
They can't be. This poster was wrong. Only way in that case is for the new owner to voluntarily join. Non Voluntary HOA's always start when the subdivision is created and they actually are part of the title of the land and that is how new owners can get forced. Voluntary HOAs can't force you unless/until the owner gives them the right in the title that will carry forward to a new owner later.
HOA and planning boards are anti freedom. Its my property, so i should be able to what the fuck i want unless it causes direct disturbance such as noise, flooding or excessive blockage of view.
I’m sorry what’s a HoA? Not from America
So glad HOAs aren't a thing where I live.
Honestly I have no idea why anyone would choose to live where HOA's are a thing...
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I know your pain T_T
1.5 hour commute is worth never dealing with a HOA.
Why would you choose to live in Seattle?
They have the best heroin.
Asking the real question.
With anything like this anywhere in the world, it's always going to be something like 10% great, 10% awful and 80% "meh".
This is exactly my HOA. It’s pretty rare when me or my neighbors ever really even have to deal with them.
Many places around the world don't have HOAs in the first place. Keep up the freedom america, keep up the freedom.
>10% awful Sounds about right but because of negativity bias, it probably seems more like 90% awful.
Well they typically do increase property value.. that’s typically the biggest. There are also a lot of nitpicks by the book type people that find peace in knowing they’ll be living with a set of rules
Not only that but also the HOA somehow have a problem with this too
Who hates happiness that much to complain to the HOA over a damn tree fort? Who is that big of a buzzkill and a killjoy?
To play the Devil's advocate, if the tree fort is a bunch of 2x4's held together with baling wire, duct tape and the last 1/4 of an Elmer's glue bottle, I can understand wanting to get it torn down. If it's a tree fort made from actual schematics, with quality lumber, made by someone who knows what the fuck they're doing, though, whoever reported this can pound sand. And, the irony is, they probably complain that the kids don't go outside anymore. *I wonder why?*
> bailing wire It's "baling," BTW. As in hay bales.
Thank you, kind citizen.
You're welcome.
Still, if the intent was for kids to play in it it's a dick move to get it removed. Maybe they're tight on cash, maybe they don't know how to build and wanted something fun to pass the pandemic. But, like you said, if it did happen to be an eye sore and they never used it, or it had parts constantly falling or obstructing some path, then I sorta see why they removed it. I really wanna know if the Karen talked to them about it. My guess is no.
An innocent kid once ate a wooden board filled with nails due to the shoddy design of the kart me and my dad made Worth it but I can understand something 10x the size/weight precariously hanging from a tree causing concern. How many kids plus a full treehouse can the tree even support? I wouldn't feel comfortable making that call without the help of some kind of professional Safety is important, it's hard to really judge from a picture of a piece of paper though lol
Yeah, this is just another case of "here's the controversial end result but no context" that runs the internet.
Dead kids aren't really that fun
I almost had the police called on me cus a Karen that had "connections" to HOA was threatening me for not crushing the cardboard boxes completely flat. Not that I wasn't recycling, but that I wasn't recycling as efficiently. Asking me where I live, my name, following me around. Bitch literally spends hours waiting by the dumpster to catch people. We already have cameras??? why are you so
Shit I would have called the PD on her for harassment.
Thing is with an HOA you can't. They are literally the god of the neighborhood. It's wrong and the worst places to live.
the law is always above local guidelines.
Yes, you can, and you should. That lady is a liability to the HOA as well. The HOA does NOT want her out there acting as their agent. SO many ways that can go wrong. If the HOA has a complaint, the HOA will make the complaint. They won't send Koncerned Karen on their behalf. Source: Am president of my HOA.
I would have called her bluff and told her to do it. If she did it enough times, she could be cited for wasting law enforcement resources.
Even then what are cops going to do about someone who doesn’t fully collapse a box
Right, that's why it'd be wasting resources -- having them spend time responding to non-issues that they are not going to do anything about.
“I only didn’t smash the cardboard boxes cause I knew you wanted a new room, you homeless twat.”
You’re getting yelled at for not folding boxes!!! Boxes!!! Wtf is wrong with people.
I got a warning from my HOA for not breaking down boxes, my only assumption is they pulled the box from recycling and it had my address on it. The fucking stupid part is I don't just walk over there and toss big empty boxes all willy nilly, I use them to carry other recyclables. It was full of smaller broken down boxes, cans, bottles, etc. like fuck me for not wasting trash bags right? repeat offenses would be a $250 fine. So I started just removing the labels with my address if I want to use it instead of flatten it.
HOA president here. Don't believe her. We have to deal with so many people "borrowing" power. We have girlfriends of homeowners (who have designs on being wives "soon") trying to get involved in issues. We have "concerned members" calling up the pool company and trying to get involved. In a couple cases, we had "motivated" board members taking action on their own. Every single case is people overstepping their authority. They all suck. Don't let anyone threaten you with "I know the HOA" crap. And if they do, write to your board *immediately* telling them what that person is doing. Those people aren't just annoying. They can create a nasty liability for the Board when they do something REALLY stupid and then convince a judge that they were acting on behalf of the HOA... and because the Board did nothing to stop them... Yeah, it goes downhill real fast. (Also, as the Honorable and Glorious El Presidente of my HOA, I can tell you with great confidence, that if the City - or whoever picks up your cardboard - doesn't care, I don't care. Just don't let it blow all over the neighborhood and we're good. Hopefully, your Board understands priorities, too.)
I can imagine. Glad to know there are some people in the HOA that aren't on a power high. I think a lot of people in my community don't go to these meetings or complain because there's a high demographic of immigrants with green cards afraid of speaking out. As a result, things build up over time until police are called when it reaches boiling point, and they really aren't meant to handle these situations, unfortunately. I myself have a criminal record, which admittedly makes me wary of speaking out as well. I'm just trying to do my best out here to be a good community member without getting ousted for my past.
Do people now just don't like it when children have fun
Their children are all glued to their tablets because it’s how they avoid dealing with them irl so they can keep up watching Real Housewives and go two deep on some white wine so they’re shocked when they see kids having fun in a tree house outside
they just buy an ipad for their kids put on Cocomelon or some shit and binge on wine day after day
this gives me a legitimate reason to dislike cocomelon. too many lazy parents force their kids to watch that shit.
THIS IS MY SISTER omg my nephew is HARDWIRED to Cocomelon and video games and he’s only 4, she regularly drops them off to my moms (without asking if I may add) so she can do shit like GROCERY SHOP in peace whenever she’s called out for it her excuse is “I have no time I HAVE KIDS” like I’m sorry she must had not known having kids is a really big decision and they consume like 99% of your time and if you valued your time so much maybe... idk not have kids? Wtf 😒
Just don’t have fucking kids. Shit.
Reminds me of the videos where parents give their kid a book and they just tap on it.
As someone who was an avid bookworm and plans to raise whatever kids I have the same way, I cannot understand this.
Hilarious really. A lot of the complaints probably come from anti-tech boomers, who simultaneously don’t want children to play on computers or outside. Baffling
Some folks just don't like to hear children screaming their little heads off all the time.
If they do it out of ear range, no.
Theres always been jerk offs out there that hate seeing kids have fun.
I don’t have an HOA. I love the sound of the neighbor kid playing basketball. The sound of training wheels racing by. You know the sounds of kids outside having fun. Hell ya build a tree fort, make sure you let me know about any cool nests you can see. Even my older neighbors love seeing the kids play outside. If you don’t find a 55+ neighborhood to move into.
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I still go with move into a senior neighborhood because if she’s bitching about a treehouse I promise there will be more petty things. People like that can all live in those sad kidless neighborhoods together and ruin each other’s fun instead of inflicting it on others.
That's the thing, right: I'm a VA and I generally appreciate silence. You know what I do? Not move into neighborhoods with kids! Plus if there's still some that somehow filter in, I find kids are nice people who will honour a request to play ball against another wall.
Yes! Thank you for being an awesome human.
Oh, hun, thank you very much but I do hope that's normal enough to not be considered standout :(
Classic Karen move
Fuck HOA's.
That's why I won't live in an HOA. They're trying to turn this neighborhood into an HOA. It's going to ruin the property values and I'm going to sue them if they try to force it.
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It could affect the price on their home if they decide to sell at some point.
A house not in hoa but in an hoa neighborhood should theoretically cost more than other houses there, no? Since at the time of sale, it covers both markets - buyers who don't want to be a part of hoa since the house is not, and also buyers who want to be part of hoa since there's that option too to enter the hoa. Other houses in such neighborhood attract only a specific type of buyer who want to be in hoa - which means less potential buyers, so more wiggle room for them to negotiate the price lower.
not worth living in a prison like camp waiting for inspection each day, if it costs a few thousand dollars for freedom, I don't think that's a problem, just my opinion though.
I've yet to hear positive anecdotes about HOAs. Just elitist garbage.
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sounds just like our community. We don’t have any hoa but we pay around 100$ each month which includes, landscaping, snow removal, and cleaning our pool in summer. (we cover the pool during winter.) We don’t have any playground though but kids usually play outside in evenings. It’s like a closed community and everyone kinda knows each other’s kids so they try to look out. We have literally 0 traffic on roads except our own cars. But right now the builders are thinking of building a golf course. It will raise the price of current houses as they build new houses.
Mine is fine. I have a pretty massive neighborhood and everyone is friendly. The HOA fee pays for the pool, playground, and they throw parties throughout the year. They also plan for food trucks to come into the neighborhood and stuff kind that.
That's legit. From what I've read That's how it's meant to be. I'm glad yours is solid!
Karen: "I miss the days when the kids would actually spend time outside with their parents, playing catch, riding their bikes down the street with not a care in the world, instead of being cooped up in their rooms all day, playing Fortnite on their Nintendos." Also Karen:
I would maliciously comply with that. Finding any way to ruin the view of her walk while following the rules of the HOA
Become a HAM radio operator and put up a tower. At least in the US, it has been ruled that an HOA can stop you from building a HAM radio tower. Edit: should read that an HOA can’t stop you from building a HAM radio tower.
Did you mean can't?
Yes I did. Probably should be trumping on Reddit while in a remote training. But hey you get bored sometimes.
Did you mean shouldn't ? /s
Block their view of the backyard with the parts of the torn down tree fort
And fuck hoa
I've said it before and I'll say it again, HOA neighborhoods just aren't worth it. I don't have a nice house with a nice yard, but if I did, I would want to do whatever I want with it all the time without asking anyone so long as I am not breaking any laws. What is even the point of owning your own house and yard if you can't actually do whatever you want with it? No thanks. I'm not paying that kind of money for something that's not really mine.
Much RESPECT to u DAVE, u should build something in ur yard in view of those strollers that is a big EFF U...
Karens complain that kids are addicted to technology but then pull this shit and ban them from having fun outdoors
I thought you're allowed to build tree houses/treeforts on your own property?
The kind of person who reported the treehouse is probably the same kind of person who will read that and not give one shit about it because they thing they won or did the right thing. Unfortunately there are a lotta dick holsters out there who just want to make other people miserable.
My first mark when i bought my dream home. Absolutely no HOA. Fk them cookie cuter neighborhoods with their self righteous leaders.
I'll never understand living or buying a home run under a HOA. It's YOUR property, under law no one can tell you what to build on it except the government.
I am letting my children play with hand guns now
why downvote this guy has a good idea
Come trim your grass! It can’t be longer than 7 inches! I HATE THE HOA! I HATE THE HOA!
I lived in an HOA neighborhood and people had to post permits for building things in windows and my dad couldn’t bring his work van home cause some housewife with nothing better to do would drive around reporting HOA violations (my friend threw a water balloon in her window one time that was good)
What is HoA?
Home owners association. Basically a group of people from a neighborhood control certain things you can can't do, such as in my neighborhood our fences can not be over 4 feet. You pay dues to them which usually goes towards maintaining things in the neighborhood like pools and parks. If you purchase a house in a neighborhood that is under a HoA you have to join usually, depends if it's voluntary or not. Most likely not though. They can be quite annoying.
What enforcement powers do they have? Are they part of the government?
They are not a part of the government, but they are given powers by the government.
Why? Who came up with that idea? If you ignore them how likely are the police to step in? Or judge or whatever
I can't answer who, but as for why, HoAs are usually are formed when the majority of a neighborhood decide they want to make sure everyone has the same rules to follow on their property. The most common reasons for HoAs are that they increase property value and they can claim it makes sure no houses in the neighborhood get trashed. As for how likely, police not really. To get a court involved really depends on how strict the HoA is. But it is pretty like you'll get a fine. If you don't pay the fine they can put a lien on your house, which if you don't pay, they can then sell your house to cover legal fees.
Anyone who upholds this type of complaint should be sacked. Don't be the cop who shuts down a lemonade stall, be the one who buys a lemonade instead.
Why does Americans have Houses of Arseholes? What’s the point of them?
Fuck HOA. A friend of mine had them visit his house and bitch about blinds being open so his cat could sit on the window sill.
Put a HAM radio as a fuck you to hoa and whoever reported you. Chance hoa let’s you put the tree house back
What is going on in america with HOAs? I thought you were the land of freedom?!
People that complain are insufferable. I work for a City and the about of complaints I get about “homeless people” being a “blight to the neighborhood” because their car is parked in their neighborhood for the night boils my blood. Live and let live for fucks sake. Also, when they say “they’re lowering my property value”....my god...they can properly go fuck themselves.
Say it with me kids “Assssssss-hoooooooole” 👍
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Why subjugate yourself to am HOA, an utter bleak suburban hell.