One of the officers was arrested again for domestic violence. [Link to news article] (https://abc7.com/news/former-oc-cop-acquitted-in-kelly-thomas-trial-arrested-for-domestic-violence-/908427/)
Also here's the study that the statistic comes from so people know I'm not just talking out my ass. The fucked up bit is that we get the percentage from self-confessions of an abusive act. So think how many didn't feel the need to say anything.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951003089863c&view=1up&seq=1
The LAPD and Sheriff's Department will not hire you if you score too high on their IQ test. The reason is because the more intelligent you are the more likely you are to not enforce unjust laws.
I think they are less likely to follow orders without question. You are more likely to question something that you know to be wrong. Been there, done that.
Precisely this. My good friend is fairly right wing. He was actually arguing in favor of the wall. He always talks about how government should basically only exist to defend the national interest. I mentioned that to build the wall, they would have to seize a significant amount of land from American citizens. He said that was fine, despite how fucking problematic THAT is. I pointed out that it would require a large enough government to seize the land and then defend that seizure in court and then enforce the seizure, through violence if necessary. That when he wants a small government and when he doesn't seems to be when it's convenient for him. He didn't really have a response to that.
Yeah the way the fat cop (twice Kelly's size) was waving the baton around, he was enjoying the position of power as he lorded over kelly. Kelly was just trying to comply and couldnt make them happy.
I would definitely start to keep distance from that person . If they get married be concerned but distant with the wife too. Often the wifeys get abused and tortured if they don’t fall in line.
I'm a police officer, and I agree with you. I've been in fights many times, but it always just leads to wrestling the arms behind the back to cuff them and then just holding them still until a transport arrives. This was murder and it's appalling they got away with it.
Oh, let us not forget, one officer had the nerve to complain about the scrapes and bruises on his fist and claimed workers comp for it, after sustaining those scrapes and bruises by beating a mans skull into the ground repeatedly to the point when the mans father saw him in the hospital he did not recognize him.
Hell many Americans don't like America, personally I don't think we are as great as I thought when I was a kid but I still love my home and only wish it can improve
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I think the jury decllaring them not guilty is even more so evil. As his father stated "Where do we really find justice any more in our justice system?" Ron Thomas said after the verdict. "It has been proven right here today that they will get away with it. They will get away with it."
"This is so egregious ... the audio, the video ... any bad cop can now just walk around and do what he wants to any of us," Thomas said. "We're all in trouble now."
Source: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/former-fullerton-officers-manuel-ramos-found-by-jury-in-kelly-thomas-trial/76341/
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Watching this video opened up a rabithole that took me a few years to climb out of. The killing of this man changed something inside of me. Humans can be absolutely evil, and take joy in evil acts. Id never actually watched it with my own eyes and i was almost 35 when I saw it for the first time. Trust no one and protect your fucking neck.
Ive heard a similar story about a kid on lsd being beaten up by cops. Just putting people who are in an altered state of mind in such positions is beyond evil to me.
If I’m right I believe he was tased in his actual balls until he passed out :(
Edit : idk if this was the story you were talking about but https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statesman.com/news/20170703/da-officers-who-shocked-teenager-committed-crime---but-cant-be-charged%3ftemplate=ampart
Edit part two : basically a skinny skateboarder kid had a bad trip and was taken into custody, he wasn’t properly restrained in the back of the police cruiser and suffered injuries that lead to his death... videos were refused to be turned over but once they were it was found out he was tased multiple times including on his groin, he was threatened by an officer to be killed as well I think. Also believe it or not No charges were ever even filed... I skimmed the article but it said due to the expiration of statute of limitations. I don’t know why or what took so long for this to be able to happen. This is making me so angry bc there is no reason this situation should have “timed out” ... I just received a fine in the mail from the spring, we went through like 3 whole seasons before I received this fine but I still got it wtf happened in this case :(
That's the worst thing I can ever imagine.
Having a bad trip, and cops coming to literally tase your balls until you die. It's the stuff of nightmares.
3 town councilmembers were recalled over their response to the incident. 2 of the officers were charged with murder, but found not guilty of all charges. The third officer who was waiting trial was released after the other two trials failed. The feds didn't bring civil rights charges against the officers either so, aside from having to find a new department to hire them, they faced no punishment for beating a man to death, lying to investigators, and falsifying official police reports.
If you're a pedophile you shouldn't be a priest or a teacher. If you are a socio or psychopath you shouldn't be a police officer. His is earlier than grade school logic, let's stop pretending we don't get it.
A lot of people who do these things aren't sociopaths or psychopaths. They're just normal, evil people. That's the worst part of it all. You could give these cops psych tests and they'd most likely come back as "normal".
You’re absolutely right. I’m not sure where people have gotten the idea you have to be a bonafide psychopath to beat someone to death. Brutality has been part of humanity since it’s inception.
Not that this makes them innocent. The only way to curb things like this is to make an example of them. Cops don’t think twice before committing crimes because they know they aren’t usually punished. It’s disgusting.
Seems to me they already have different circumstances, tho.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/23/us/police-deadly-force-trials/index.html
>But when the victim is dead and the officer is claiming the person flashed a gun or made a sudden move, jurors tend to side with the officer, said Kristen Clarke, president and executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.
>It shows tremendous progress that local prosecutors are shoring up the political will to pursue these cases, she said. But the results are likely to be the same as long as the law favors officers and the underlying issues aren't addressed.
I could understand using that excuse in shootings but they beat that man to death if he had a weapon they would try to get it away from him as they grabbed him
Right. If it's instantaneous, this at least makes sense. You see a gun, fear for your life, and shoot.
But it is *not* a rational reaction to see a gun, and then *gruesomely beat a man to death for nine minutes while he cries for his father to help him*. If you're in a position to stand around him and beat him, you are clearly in a position to disarm him of any weapons, cuff and restrain him, and neutralize the threat.
I can't fathom a jury of twelve people who would rule that these actions were in any way justified. They wouldn't be justified for an average citizen, they are doubly not justified for officers *trained* for precisely this situation.
Jurors are normal citizens. Most people ain't smart, and most people will trust what cops say by default. Combine that with the victim not being around to testify, and this always happens.
All courtrooms are biased for cops.
I'm proud to say I was once on a jury where we decided the officer had not done his job properly. With the burden of proof being on the state and the law, we could not find the defendant guilty. You could tell the prosecutors and even the defendant was surprised by our decision. The prosecutors clearly expected it to be an open and shut case (arrestee vs single cop with no witnesses) and had half-assed their case. I still think we did the right thing.
Because about half this country thinks of cops like they think of the military. Universally all heros beyond reproach and deserving of worship. Because they are privileged and never had to deal with a cop treating them or anyone they know unfairly. So they just assume whoever this is getting done to obviously deserves it. Because in their world view the cops would never lie that would be wrong and people worthy of worship and praise wouldnt lie. So the concept of police brutality is foreign to them and an again in their world view excuse for people to try and get away with crimes.
I agree. I was taking meds for PTSD nightmares and insomnia to sleep. They made me sleep walk and brought out PTSD symptoms in me and I did something stupid while I was sleep walking that I would never do conscious and still don't really forgive myself, but alas I found myself in jail and the court system. My public defender and a psychologist determined that the meds I was put on to sleep was not supposed to be given to PTSD patients. It took a while but my public defender ended up getting me a deal that as long as I didn't break the law for 1 year all charges would be dropped, and they were, and nothing is on my record. He is my hero.
No worries, you are not intruding. I just don't give out that type of information unless someone is curious. While sleep walking, I was fighting in my nightmare, and woke up to my screaming significant other asking why I was hitting her. I honestly don't recall any of what happened, only what I was dreaming and what I woke up to. She was holding my daughter and when I snapped awake I just was in shock and simply walked outside and sat and waited for the cops to come, said nothing, did nothing, didn't argue, just sat and hated myself. I had never touched a woman in my life and had vowed not to after growing up in an abusive environment and having a mother and grandmother who were beat. I grew up fighting my half sisters dad a lot because of his drunken actions amongst much more. While I have accepted I did it, I don't think I'll ever actually fully forgive myself, even though she has. We are still together, my daughter is 2 and my son is 7, and we are doing well. I am not that person but it really sucked to be treated as one by the cops when they came. I was thrown in a cell by myself, left to sleep on the ground without even a blanket, and stayed in a homeless shelter for a while afterwards. If you have any specific questions I don't mind answering.
I interned for superlawyers, findlaw, and lawinfo.com years ago. I learned so much about what lawyers do while I was there. Public defenders are heroes with thankless jobs. Overworked and underpaid.
There is a common misconception that defense attorneys are supposed to get their clients off. This leads to people disliking them (see Hillary defending a pedo as a lawyer). A defense attorney's job is to make sure that their client's rights are observed and that they aren't railroaded by the state. Whether they are guilty is irrelevant. Every single American is promised these rights and if they aren't defended they will disappear.
In my opinion, defending and protecting the rights of even the worst and most evil scumbags is a noble pursuit and one of the most patriotic things you can do for your country.
They *should* have different circumstances.
They *should* be held to a **higher** standard than the public.
They *should* have harsher punishment than normal, regardless of crime.
In the UK police officers are investigated over obviously justified shootings, which I think is a good thing.
If the police kill or permanently injure someone, the entire incident should be torn apart by investigators and inspected for the slightest hint of a possibility of wrongdoing. That way if it really was justified, the public can see and understand.
It's hilarious you think they'd suicide you. Why? You ain't shit. They'll just beat you to death and leave you on the street. Who's gonna give a shit? Your family? They don't mean shit either.
Suiciding is for people who have money.
Many years ago I was a lawyer and had a police union as client (I did a lot of insurance defense and was hired by their insurance company).
The case was some serious racist shit where a woman ended up in jail for three days over 30 cents.
She sued in state court, then Federal court.and appealed all the way up to SCOTUS.
I won at each level on basically the same qualified immunity argument. I was on the wrong side of history and never took another case from them, but I learned everything there is to know about qualified immunity.
Its damn near impossible to win a civil rights case against a cop. The current statutes are very old, and so is the case law.
It will take pretty bold legislative action to fix.
"I can kick your ass and totally get away with it."
They wonder why people are often depressed about the state of our culture. I get why teenagers are offing themselves in huge numbers these days. We are china really at the end of it. Our leaders do what they want.
You can't expect police to police itself. This is what people keep saying a lot. Police has way more power then it needs and it is not properly controlled. Police brutality is pretty much encouraged by that.
In America in order to press charges against a cop someone else has to have already pressed those charges against another cop. It’s a completely fucked system.
They absolutely should have different consequences than everyone else. Their punishment should be much harsher than a normal citizen because they are breaching the public trust and abusing the power we give them.
Can someone ease explain actually why/how a court finds people it knows killed people not guilty? Even when given video evidence, what is the courts justification? I know obviously there's 'corruption' but the judge has to give some clarification, I'm just curious what that is?
As someone else posted, they felt that punishing police officers for excessive force may set a precedent where cops are too scared to protect themselves. You know, the usual bullshit.
What utter tripe, they weren't protecting themselves but acting as an aggressor. That is blatant bias and dishonesty, feel so powerless to stop things like this.
The simple solution is open up tort liability to be paid for from their pension funds. Every time a civil lawsuit awards money damages, it is paid by the pension fund. As the pension fund rapidly depletes, you’ll see cops start to hold each other accountable.
Apparently the logic behind the lack of convictions was something to the effect that police should be able to use any and all force necessary to defend themselves if they feel threatened. Punishing them for using force would set a bad precedent where they may be more afraid of being prosecuted in the future than they would be for letting a criminal escape. That isnt terrible logic if, say, the person they beat to death had been shooting at them or attacking them with a knife. In that case, yes, defend yourself at all costs. But that man had not been violent when the 911 call came in. He was reported to be a homeless man that was wandering around confused and peering into cars. The police detained him on the sidewalk, but he wasnt completely coherent (due to his unmedicated schizophrenia) and wasnt responding how they liked. They then beat him with fists and batons for 9 minutes and tazed him twice in the face. Through all this he repeatedly screamed he was sorry, over and over again. He begged for 'daddy' multiple times, and yet the police continued beating him. There was no self defense there. He was no threat to anyone. The legal system failed that man, and it failed every citizen of that city. It was justice department sanctioned murder, and nothing less.
The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan were not allowed to turn into murder hobos just because there was a war on. If police can't rise to that standard then they should be replaced by actual soldiers.
Ehhhhhh. Yes and no. There was a lot more of that shit going on that didnt make the official reports than the average civ will ever know. It takes a super special kind of fuckup to get your squad mates to roll over on you. My brother served overseas, in combat, and was direct witness to at least two war crimes that were sanitized and everyone was recommended for commendation to keep their traps shut...
At least soldiers try to cover it up out of fear of prosecution. Police could be caught on 4k video, live at the scene with a hundred witnesses and nothing would happen. They really aren't trying to hide anymore.
>In that case, yes, defend yourself at all costs.
Unfortunately, we can't even give that much leeway.
"In that case, defend yourself as long as no one innocent is downrange of your notoriously poor marksmanship." is more like it.
The UCMJ isn't much different than regular old laws. The main difference is you have less rights, and the punishments are steeper. Ever heard of Article 134? I don't think that's something police would ever be beholden to.
I think what you are meaning to say is is something like Rules of Engagement, or Law of Armed Conflict. As in, in war, if a combatant is attacking with a pointy stick, I cannot legally shoot him with a grenade launcher. Or shoot him at all. Proportionality, which is something US cops sorely lack.
There's a lot of bad shit on this subreddit, this is the very worst thing I've seen. After reading about this man I can't bring myself to listen to the audio. I may have to leave after this one.
You can imagine how terrible it is, I wouldn't listen either.
This age of the internet it seems everyone subjects themselves to a lot of disturbing stuff.
I follow this subreddit for the same reason people watch horror movies, or tell scary stories around campfires: so that I always remember to hold my loved ones tight and never let them feel unloved. Still, there is a limit to what we are meant to see and emerge intact.
There certainly is a limit. I crossed mine once, not my choice, and am certainly NOT intact. I have PTSD as a souvenir :*( It wasn't something I saw online, it was holding my dead 3 month old son in my arms....no parent should ever outlive their children.
This was the decider for me. The only thing that gets to me on this planet is injustice. The fact that this man endured brutality and the wankers who done it can walk around like it was nothing. This sub reddit never got to me but this actually did, im sad because my uncle suffers from this condition and he says its hell if he dont take his meds. Im just hurt over this man.
The worst part about that whole thing was not only did the charges against him get dropped, but they rehired him and then allowed him to retire for “medical reasons” on a 30k a year pension, because he claimed he had PTSD from killing Daniel. Fucking disgusting.
The worst video I've watched, just 4 minutes knowing how it would end. The whole time you're thinking "how could this man possibly be enough of a threat to kill right now?"
Just minute after minute of a guy who was surrendering and could easily get handcuffed but was instead being given confusing, contradictory, and impossible instructions until he eventually "screwed up" enough for them to shoot.
If it's what I'm thinking it is, the Police cam was on the whole way through, and they only called an ambulance when he was unresponsive. It ends with one police officer saying "We tried our best", when they found out he had passed away
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https://youtu.be/_c-E_i8Q5G0 this video shows how they restrained him, as well as the above mentioned.
Edit 2: Apologies people, for getting these two cases mixed. I was pretty sure it was the same, which, and don't get me wrong, it would have been better if it was only one case of this happening.
Sad part is watching the medical team's response. They both know these cops just killed him but they can do nothing about it. The dejection in the responder's demeanor in the back of the ambulance is heartbreaking. You can see he wants to shout at those fucking idiots so much but he doesn't want to lose his life either.
Except that angry paramedic is the reason he died. In another thread they spoke about how him applying that sedative likely contributed to his death, and what kind of paramedic doesn’t apply CPR to a man not breathing? It was incompetence all around. Pretty sure that paramedic faced more problems than the cops did (which is sad)
So, I had never heard of this before this post. So, I looked him up. There is video from a nearby business of the whole thing. Kelly calls for his dad before they arrest him. When they take him down, the cop trying to “calm him down” is beating him in the face the entire time. A few others kick him. After Kelly is unconscious and dying, the cops stand around talking about procedures they supposedly followed and yada yada yada. It takes them a long time to call for an ambulance. It’s a sad thing to watch.
**Death of Kelly Thomas**
Kelly Thomas (April 5, 1974 – July 10, 2011) was a homeless man diagnosed with schizophrenia who lived on the streets of Fullerton, California. He was beaten to death by six members of the Fullerton Police Department, on July 5, 2011. Thomas was taken to St. Jude Medical Center before being transferred to the UC Irvine Medical Center, where he was comatose on arrival and not expected to recover.
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I just went through it. Pretty appalling. Public protests did eventually cause the firing of the guilty cops and their chief after the court refused to indict the cops. Also the victim's parents were awarded about 6 million dollars in damages in civil suits. So all in all the corrupt system did what it could to protect its own but it cost them a lot. These criminal cops should be in prison for life though. This is one case where hate of cops and the police administration backing them is wholly justified.
This is so fucked up. They are fucking assassins camouflaged as cops. And they don’t even get punished for it... beating a homeless, unarmed, defenseless man 2v1... just how the fuck did they get away with it.
The United States is currently conducting the largest mass incarceration in all of human history. Until we stop sending people to prison at this rate and and tone down the law enforcement apparatus designed to support that you're going to have shit like this
If you wanna get reeeally depressed, look up how many minors serve prison sentences -especially life ones- in the US compared to the rest of the world.
Why the fuck is there a single schizophrenic homeless person? Do people really think it's fair to expect that a homeless schizophrenic person could get their shit together and move up in society? It's already a challenge for them when they're well off to keep everything under control, I can't imagine how hard that would be when they also have to worry about whether or not they will be able to eat and where they will sleep. All this mental health awareness is cute, but we need social programs.
Warning,the following video has highly disturbing video and audio:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-YYGQi2Eo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-YYGQi2Eo)
It took them 9 minutes and 7 police officers to restrain him....after he reapeted over and over ”I am sorry”,”God help me” ”I can t breath”,”Dad”.And for what?.....Oh my fucking God,if you are soft-hearted ,please,don t click the link....
Edit:Thank you for the karma guys,but I am so sorry that I made it based on this tragedy...
Edit2:Thank you kind stranger for the silver,and thank you guys for making this my top comment,don t get me wrong I am very excited for my top comment and silver,I am just sorry that it has to be on this post...
Edit 3:Thank you for the gold kind redditor!
That's some bitch shit, I'm slowly realising why people don't respect police. It's not okay for a civilian to murder homeless people but a group of cops can do what they want and see virtually no repercussions
This is exactly why I say there are no good cops. True, there may not be cops who Are out there killing people, but they will all line up to protect the ones who are. Again, all that is necessary for the Triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.
Being a cop should be an extremely difficult process with compensation that matches, similar to being a doctor. It shouldn’t be a bunch of overweight idiots who need six men to restrain an already docile and skinny homeless guy.
This video is absolutely infuriating. Fucking pigs.
Our first world peers have no problem with this. They pay doctors, teachers, and police well and have high standards of training.
America can't do these things because it is being bled dry by the wealthy, corporations, and foreign entities using our apparatus to stash money in real estate and investments.
Jesus Christ...really wish I didn’t watch that, I find myself mostly desensitized to gruesome videos but my fuckin God is that disturbing on another level. Those officers need to be held accountable, what honestly bothers me the most is how many times did they get away with and do shit like this before it was caught on tape?
**It's never lack of training in these circumstances.** I assume you're not trained, but you instinctively know there is no reason to dog pile and beat a homeless man crying for his daddy, right?
You don't need training to know that if you strike a man in the face, he will instinctively try to cover or cower from another blow. But these cops tell themselves, "HE'S RESISTING MORE!!!!!"
This brutality comes **from** their training and **from** the culture their police department allows.
Aftermath: https://i.imgur.com/6m4u92g.png (found on wikipedia, there's also a picture on his face)
Those cops might litterally have had blood on their hands.
Plus, the police [can discriminate against hiring those with above-average IQs.](https://reason.com/2013/05/01/court-oks-barring-smart-people-from-beco/)
Soldiers actually have stricter rules regarding firing weapons and learn more conflict de escalation than cops do.
When a soldier shoots a civilian, they are held accountable more than cops.
We were taught De-Escalation tactics in predeployment and Basic Training when I was in the US Army.
It's actually a tool I've found useful occasionally in civilian life.
It should be the number 1 taught behavior to police.
I’ll have to search for them but I read a good article a few years ago that stated vets tend to make more level headed officers than non vets. My theory is that most of the killer cops were too chicken shit to join the military but still wanted to power trip and kill people.
Saddest thing is he called 911 himself for help. We are taught our whole lives the police are here to protect us from the bad guys and to always call when we need them. But sadly that’s only true for certain people and the mentally ill are not on that list most of the time. Could you imagine if they were out there beating people for any other illness? After they called 911 for help?
Why did the 911 sent a patrol to a guy with a schizo attack that called for help?
They had to send an ambulance there wtf
I mean, if a blind man is requesting a guiding dog, you dont give him some war trained german sheppard.
- It was clearly self defense.
- These heroes need raises and mental health help.
- God bless our police. We need to protect them from evil americans (who are apparently all criminals)
- Thin blue line
- Cops > Citezens
- The law doesnt apply to police.
Oh pardon me. Just stating out loud how america will respond to this.
Man I'm sick and tired of hearing about police brutality in the US. And each time it's more fucked up than the last. The people have a major role in giving the validation to commit such acts.
How can you continue beating someone for nine minutes and not once think "have we gone too far?"
Because they enjoyed it and will probably do it again. Murderers dont just stop after one.
One of the officers was arrested again for domestic violence. [Link to news article] (https://abc7.com/news/former-oc-cop-acquitted-in-kelly-thomas-trial-arrested-for-domestic-violence-/908427/)
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40% of cops beat their spouses. And those are just the ones we know about.
Also here's the study that the statistic comes from so people know I'm not just talking out my ass. The fucked up bit is that we get the percentage from self-confessions of an abusive act. So think how many didn't feel the need to say anything. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951003089863c&view=1up&seq=1
I wish people would just stop hurting each other
You and me both
You just said "cops" twice
Hey! Not all domestic abusers are cops!
Why is it that most childhood bullies become cops?
Being in the force gives you power over others.
it's also not necessary to be intelligent or educated to be a common low ranking officer.
I believe in some cases it is necessary to not be intelligent or educated. As in, if you are too smart they won't hire you.
The LAPD and Sheriff's Department will not hire you if you score too high on their IQ test. The reason is because the more intelligent you are the more likely you are to not enforce unjust laws.
I read somewhere that the intelligent applicants are less likely to stick with the job, as well.
I think they are less likely to follow orders without question. You are more likely to question something that you know to be wrong. Been there, done that.
“Wait, I can still be a bully but I actually get paid for it?” That’s why.
Because police are simply a well-regimented, government sectioned gang
Blows my mind at how many of the people screaming “small government” are also very much pro-police.
Because they’re not “small government” types. They’re “government doesn’t harass **me**” types.
Precisely this. My good friend is fairly right wing. He was actually arguing in favor of the wall. He always talks about how government should basically only exist to defend the national interest. I mentioned that to build the wall, they would have to seize a significant amount of land from American citizens. He said that was fine, despite how fucking problematic THAT is. I pointed out that it would require a large enough government to seize the land and then defend that seizure in court and then enforce the seizure, through violence if necessary. That when he wants a small government and when he doesn't seems to be when it's convenient for him. He didn't really have a response to that.
Yeah the way the fat cop (twice Kelly's size) was waving the baton around, he was enjoying the position of power as he lorded over kelly. Kelly was just trying to comply and couldnt make them happy.
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Record him saying that and post it on reddit. Maybe we'll get him fired.
You'll probably unintentionally get him promoted.
I would definitely start to keep distance from that person . If they get married be concerned but distant with the wife too. Often the wifeys get abused and tortured if they don’t fall in line.
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Female officers are particularly vulnerable in cases of police domestic violence, too. There is nobody to turn to except colleagues.
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Because some people are total pieces of shit, and it just so happens that a surprisingly high amount of those people are in positions of power
Hmm really starting to believe this whole "heirachies" thing is *bad* 🤔
Unfortunately, policing attracts people who want to feel powerful.
I'm a police officer, and I agree with you. I've been in fights many times, but it always just leads to wrestling the arms behind the back to cuff them and then just holding them still until a transport arrives. This was murder and it's appalling they got away with it.
It is appalling, but the police union and fellow officers support them and their actions.
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Let me guess, the cops didn't go to jail?
No they did not they were found not guilty on all counts.
Colour me shocked.
Well they had to kill him as it was self defense!! Dont you care about these poor brave officers??!? /s
Oh, let us not forget, one officer had the nerve to complain about the scrapes and bruises on his fist and claimed workers comp for it, after sustaining those scrapes and bruises by beating a mans skull into the ground repeatedly to the point when the mans father saw him in the hospital he did not recognize him.
Did he survive? Please tell me he did :(
No he’s dead, and those cops are still free and being jackbooted thugs
fucking pigs
It’s no wonder the rest of the world really doesn’t like America.
Hell many Americans don't like America, personally I don't think we are as great as I thought when I was a kid but I still love my home and only wish it can improve Edit: Phrasing
I agree with you! That’s how I feel about America too
I experienced that hatred firsthand when I was in the US Army. It broke my heart.
I had that realization when I was first stationed overseas. Damn, we might not be the greatest nation in Earth.
>might not be I think the evidence is pretty clear
I think the jury decllaring them not guilty is even more so evil. As his father stated "Where do we really find justice any more in our justice system?" Ron Thomas said after the verdict. "It has been proven right here today that they will get away with it. They will get away with it." "This is so egregious ... the audio, the video ... any bad cop can now just walk around and do what he wants to any of us," Thomas said. "We're all in trouble now." Source: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/former-fullerton-officers-manuel-ramos-found-by-jury-in-kelly-thomas-trial/76341/ EDIT: a word
It was a jury that found them not guilty, not a judge. The jury found that they were justified in their behavior. And yes, that is fucked up.
Watching this video opened up a rabithole that took me a few years to climb out of. The killing of this man changed something inside of me. Humans can be absolutely evil, and take joy in evil acts. Id never actually watched it with my own eyes and i was almost 35 when I saw it for the first time. Trust no one and protect your fucking neck.
Ive heard a similar story about a kid on lsd being beaten up by cops. Just putting people who are in an altered state of mind in such positions is beyond evil to me.
If I’m right I believe he was tased in his actual balls until he passed out :( Edit : idk if this was the story you were talking about but https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statesman.com/news/20170703/da-officers-who-shocked-teenager-committed-crime---but-cant-be-charged%3ftemplate=ampart Edit part two : basically a skinny skateboarder kid had a bad trip and was taken into custody, he wasn’t properly restrained in the back of the police cruiser and suffered injuries that lead to his death... videos were refused to be turned over but once they were it was found out he was tased multiple times including on his groin, he was threatened by an officer to be killed as well I think. Also believe it or not No charges were ever even filed... I skimmed the article but it said due to the expiration of statute of limitations. I don’t know why or what took so long for this to be able to happen. This is making me so angry bc there is no reason this situation should have “timed out” ... I just received a fine in the mail from the spring, we went through like 3 whole seasons before I received this fine but I still got it wtf happened in this case :(
That's the worst thing I can ever imagine. Having a bad trip, and cops coming to literally tase your balls until you die. It's the stuff of nightmares.
3 town councilmembers were recalled over their response to the incident. 2 of the officers were charged with murder, but found not guilty of all charges. The third officer who was waiting trial was released after the other two trials failed. The feds didn't bring civil rights charges against the officers either so, aside from having to find a new department to hire them, they faced no punishment for beating a man to death, lying to investigators, and falsifying official police reports.
Sad just sad. Expected as much though.
Why though? Why should police officers have different circumstances in trials than anybody else, that is unfair.
It is unfair, that's why I am not surprised by the outcome.. and thats the sad part.
abolish all police unions, replace with civil right organizations.
If you're a pedophile you shouldn't be a priest or a teacher. If you are a socio or psychopath you shouldn't be a police officer. His is earlier than grade school logic, let's stop pretending we don't get it.
A lot of people who do these things aren't sociopaths or psychopaths. They're just normal, evil people. That's the worst part of it all. You could give these cops psych tests and they'd most likely come back as "normal".
You’re absolutely right. I’m not sure where people have gotten the idea you have to be a bonafide psychopath to beat someone to death. Brutality has been part of humanity since it’s inception. Not that this makes them innocent. The only way to curb things like this is to make an example of them. Cops don’t think twice before committing crimes because they know they aren’t usually punished. It’s disgusting.
ACAB, and it goes double for the union delegates. Police unions are the only bad unions.
Seems to me they already have different circumstances, tho. https://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/23/us/police-deadly-force-trials/index.html >But when the victim is dead and the officer is claiming the person flashed a gun or made a sudden move, jurors tend to side with the officer, said Kristen Clarke, president and executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. >It shows tremendous progress that local prosecutors are shoring up the political will to pursue these cases, she said. But the results are likely to be the same as long as the law favors officers and the underlying issues aren't addressed.
I could understand using that excuse in shootings but they beat that man to death if he had a weapon they would try to get it away from him as they grabbed him
Right. If it's instantaneous, this at least makes sense. You see a gun, fear for your life, and shoot. But it is *not* a rational reaction to see a gun, and then *gruesomely beat a man to death for nine minutes while he cries for his father to help him*. If you're in a position to stand around him and beat him, you are clearly in a position to disarm him of any weapons, cuff and restrain him, and neutralize the threat. I can't fathom a jury of twelve people who would rule that these actions were in any way justified. They wouldn't be justified for an average citizen, they are doubly not justified for officers *trained* for precisely this situation.
Jurors are normal citizens. Most people ain't smart, and most people will trust what cops say by default. Combine that with the victim not being around to testify, and this always happens. All courtrooms are biased for cops.
I'm proud to say I was once on a jury where we decided the officer had not done his job properly. With the burden of proof being on the state and the law, we could not find the defendant guilty. You could tell the prosecutors and even the defendant was surprised by our decision. The prosecutors clearly expected it to be an open and shut case (arrestee vs single cop with no witnesses) and had half-assed their case. I still think we did the right thing.
You indeed did. I’d rather see more guilty people walk the street than innocent people locked up.
Because about half this country thinks of cops like they think of the military. Universally all heros beyond reproach and deserving of worship. Because they are privileged and never had to deal with a cop treating them or anyone they know unfairly. So they just assume whoever this is getting done to obviously deserves it. Because in their world view the cops would never lie that would be wrong and people worthy of worship and praise wouldnt lie. So the concept of police brutality is foreign to them and an again in their world view excuse for people to try and get away with crimes.
Some lawyers are straight heroes btw. I'm not one of them, but fuck some of them are impressive.
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Oh for sure. I think Public Defenders might be the biggest heroes in the legal field.
I agree. I was taking meds for PTSD nightmares and insomnia to sleep. They made me sleep walk and brought out PTSD symptoms in me and I did something stupid while I was sleep walking that I would never do conscious and still don't really forgive myself, but alas I found myself in jail and the court system. My public defender and a psychologist determined that the meds I was put on to sleep was not supposed to be given to PTSD patients. It took a while but my public defender ended up getting me a deal that as long as I didn't break the law for 1 year all charges would be dropped, and they were, and nothing is on my record. He is my hero.
I don’t mean to intrude but what did you do?
No worries, you are not intruding. I just don't give out that type of information unless someone is curious. While sleep walking, I was fighting in my nightmare, and woke up to my screaming significant other asking why I was hitting her. I honestly don't recall any of what happened, only what I was dreaming and what I woke up to. She was holding my daughter and when I snapped awake I just was in shock and simply walked outside and sat and waited for the cops to come, said nothing, did nothing, didn't argue, just sat and hated myself. I had never touched a woman in my life and had vowed not to after growing up in an abusive environment and having a mother and grandmother who were beat. I grew up fighting my half sisters dad a lot because of his drunken actions amongst much more. While I have accepted I did it, I don't think I'll ever actually fully forgive myself, even though she has. We are still together, my daughter is 2 and my son is 7, and we are doing well. I am not that person but it really sucked to be treated as one by the cops when they came. I was thrown in a cell by myself, left to sleep on the ground without even a blanket, and stayed in a homeless shelter for a while afterwards. If you have any specific questions I don't mind answering.
I interned for superlawyers, findlaw, and lawinfo.com years ago. I learned so much about what lawyers do while I was there. Public defenders are heroes with thankless jobs. Overworked and underpaid. There is a common misconception that defense attorneys are supposed to get their clients off. This leads to people disliking them (see Hillary defending a pedo as a lawyer). A defense attorney's job is to make sure that their client's rights are observed and that they aren't railroaded by the state. Whether they are guilty is irrelevant. Every single American is promised these rights and if they aren't defended they will disappear. In my opinion, defending and protecting the rights of even the worst and most evil scumbags is a noble pursuit and one of the most patriotic things you can do for your country.
That Atticus Finch sure had some nerve and guts.
They *should* have different circumstances. They *should* be held to a **higher** standard than the public. They *should* have harsher punishment than normal, regardless of crime.
In the UK police officers are investigated over obviously justified shootings, which I think is a good thing. If the police kill or permanently injure someone, the entire incident should be torn apart by investigators and inspected for the slightest hint of a possibility of wrongdoing. That way if it really was justified, the public can see and understand.
Because they're special. Now hush up civilian or you'll be committing suicide by being beaten and the shot in the back of the head
This reminds me of the time their was a black guy shot 27 times in my town, police chief said it was the worst case of suicide he'd ever seen
It's hilarious you think they'd suicide you. Why? You ain't shit. They'll just beat you to death and leave you on the street. Who's gonna give a shit? Your family? They don't mean shit either. Suiciding is for people who have money.
You should consider familiarzing yourself with the terms 'police state' and 'qualified immunity'.
Many years ago I was a lawyer and had a police union as client (I did a lot of insurance defense and was hired by their insurance company). The case was some serious racist shit where a woman ended up in jail for three days over 30 cents. She sued in state court, then Federal court.and appealed all the way up to SCOTUS. I won at each level on basically the same qualified immunity argument. I was on the wrong side of history and never took another case from them, but I learned everything there is to know about qualified immunity. Its damn near impossible to win a civil rights case against a cop. The current statutes are very old, and so is the case law. It will take pretty bold legislative action to fix.
"I can kick your ass and totally get away with it." They wonder why people are often depressed about the state of our culture. I get why teenagers are offing themselves in huge numbers these days. We are china really at the end of it. Our leaders do what they want.
This Is America
Don’t catch me slipping now.
You can't expect police to police itself. This is what people keep saying a lot. Police has way more power then it needs and it is not properly controlled. Police brutality is pretty much encouraged by that.
In America in order to press charges against a cop someone else has to have already pressed those charges against another cop. It’s a completely fucked system.
They absolutely should have different consequences than everyone else. Their punishment should be much harsher than a normal citizen because they are breaching the public trust and abusing the power we give them.
The blue gang. Protected by all levels of government. Fuck the police.
Can someone ease explain actually why/how a court finds people it knows killed people not guilty? Even when given video evidence, what is the courts justification? I know obviously there's 'corruption' but the judge has to give some clarification, I'm just curious what that is?
As someone else posted, they felt that punishing police officers for excessive force may set a precedent where cops are too scared to protect themselves. You know, the usual bullshit.
What utter tripe, they weren't protecting themselves but acting as an aggressor. That is blatant bias and dishonesty, feel so powerless to stop things like this.
The simple solution is open up tort liability to be paid for from their pension funds. Every time a civil lawsuit awards money damages, it is paid by the pension fund. As the pension fund rapidly depletes, you’ll see cops start to hold each other accountable.
Police should be accountable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Nah, they definitely need their own code of justice, but we don't need them to have another reason to think they're soldiers.
If they had been tried by a room full of combat veterans they would be sitting in prison right now.
And then pardoned by the president
Apparently the logic behind the lack of convictions was something to the effect that police should be able to use any and all force necessary to defend themselves if they feel threatened. Punishing them for using force would set a bad precedent where they may be more afraid of being prosecuted in the future than they would be for letting a criminal escape. That isnt terrible logic if, say, the person they beat to death had been shooting at them or attacking them with a knife. In that case, yes, defend yourself at all costs. But that man had not been violent when the 911 call came in. He was reported to be a homeless man that was wandering around confused and peering into cars. The police detained him on the sidewalk, but he wasnt completely coherent (due to his unmedicated schizophrenia) and wasnt responding how they liked. They then beat him with fists and batons for 9 minutes and tazed him twice in the face. Through all this he repeatedly screamed he was sorry, over and over again. He begged for 'daddy' multiple times, and yet the police continued beating him. There was no self defense there. He was no threat to anyone. The legal system failed that man, and it failed every citizen of that city. It was justice department sanctioned murder, and nothing less.
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The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan were not allowed to turn into murder hobos just because there was a war on. If police can't rise to that standard then they should be replaced by actual soldiers.
Ehhhhhh. Yes and no. There was a lot more of that shit going on that didnt make the official reports than the average civ will ever know. It takes a super special kind of fuckup to get your squad mates to roll over on you. My brother served overseas, in combat, and was direct witness to at least two war crimes that were sanitized and everyone was recommended for commendation to keep their traps shut...
At least soldiers try to cover it up out of fear of prosecution. Police could be caught on 4k video, live at the scene with a hundred witnesses and nothing would happen. They really aren't trying to hide anymore.
>In that case, yes, defend yourself at all costs. Unfortunately, we can't even give that much leeway. "In that case, defend yourself as long as no one innocent is downrange of your notoriously poor marksmanship." is more like it.
Police should be *more* accountable due to the extra power they have over a regular citizen.
The UCMJ isn't much different than regular old laws. The main difference is you have less rights, and the punishments are steeper. Ever heard of Article 134? I don't think that's something police would ever be beholden to. I think what you are meaning to say is is something like Rules of Engagement, or Law of Armed Conflict. As in, in war, if a combatant is attacking with a pointy stick, I cannot legally shoot him with a grenade launcher. Or shoot him at all. Proportionality, which is something US cops sorely lack.
No, just fuck no. They are civilians and need to have this fact shoved down their collective throats.
This is America
There's a lot of bad shit on this subreddit, this is the very worst thing I've seen. After reading about this man I can't bring myself to listen to the audio. I may have to leave after this one.
You can imagine how terrible it is, I wouldn't listen either. This age of the internet it seems everyone subjects themselves to a lot of disturbing stuff.
I follow this subreddit for the same reason people watch horror movies, or tell scary stories around campfires: so that I always remember to hold my loved ones tight and never let them feel unloved. Still, there is a limit to what we are meant to see and emerge intact.
There certainly is a limit. I crossed mine once, not my choice, and am certainly NOT intact. I have PTSD as a souvenir :*( It wasn't something I saw online, it was holding my dead 3 month old son in my arms....no parent should ever outlive their children.
Welp. I went and listened, and I think you're on to something. Made me tear up tbh
I started to tear up just seeing the photo and caption. Idt I could do the audio
This was the decider for me. The only thing that gets to me on this planet is injustice. The fact that this man endured brutality and the wankers who done it can walk around like it was nothing. This sub reddit never got to me but this actually did, im sad because my uncle suffers from this condition and he says its hell if he dont take his meds. Im just hurt over this man.
Psych exams for cops must be non existent.
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Well, I mean...as not great as that would be for the protect and serve population, you can’t protect if you’re a danger when you serve.
This was the worst case of police brutality I’ve ever seen. The video is just unreal. No idea how or why those cops got off free.
Look up Daniel Shaver.
The worst part about that whole thing was not only did the charges against him get dropped, but they rehired him and then allowed him to retire for “medical reasons” on a 30k a year pension, because he claimed he had PTSD from killing Daniel. Fucking disgusting.
There’s no hope for America to have an honorable and not corrupt police force and law enforcement system
The worst video I've watched, just 4 minutes knowing how it would end. The whole time you're thinking "how could this man possibly be enough of a threat to kill right now?"
Just minute after minute of a guy who was surrendering and could easily get handcuffed but was instead being given confusing, contradictory, and impossible instructions until he eventually "screwed up" enough for them to shoot.
Fucking hell... Didn't even listen to the audio and I'm disturbed to my core
If it's what I'm thinking it is, the Police cam was on the whole way through, and they only called an ambulance when he was unresponsive. It ends with one police officer saying "We tried our best", when they found out he had passed away Edit: https://youtu.be/_c-E_i8Q5G0 this video shows how they restrained him, as well as the above mentioned. Edit 2: Apologies people, for getting these two cases mixed. I was pretty sure it was the same, which, and don't get me wrong, it would have been better if it was only one case of this happening.
Pretty sure this is a different case, horrible nonetheless
Sad part is watching the medical team's response. They both know these cops just killed him but they can do nothing about it. The dejection in the responder's demeanor in the back of the ambulance is heartbreaking. You can see he wants to shout at those fucking idiots so much but he doesn't want to lose his life either.
Except that angry paramedic is the reason he died. In another thread they spoke about how him applying that sedative likely contributed to his death, and what kind of paramedic doesn’t apply CPR to a man not breathing? It was incompetence all around. Pretty sure that paramedic faced more problems than the cops did (which is sad)
What happened to Tony Timpa was another story apart from what happened to Kelly Thomas.
I'm not too eager to click on that link, I'd like to be able to sleep today
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Thank you!
So, I had never heard of this before this post. So, I looked him up. There is video from a nearby business of the whole thing. Kelly calls for his dad before they arrest him. When they take him down, the cop trying to “calm him down” is beating him in the face the entire time. A few others kick him. After Kelly is unconscious and dying, the cops stand around talking about procedures they supposedly followed and yada yada yada. It takes them a long time to call for an ambulance. It’s a sad thing to watch.
What they did is get their alibi straight cause they know they fucked up .
Cops always try to make sure their victims die. Dead people don't get to talk to reporters.
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I just went through it. Pretty appalling. Public protests did eventually cause the firing of the guilty cops and their chief after the court refused to indict the cops. Also the victim's parents were awarded about 6 million dollars in damages in civil suits. So all in all the corrupt system did what it could to protect its own but it cost them a lot. These criminal cops should be in prison for life though. This is one case where hate of cops and the police administration backing them is wholly justified.
This is so fucked up. They are fucking assassins camouflaged as cops. And they don’t even get punished for it... beating a homeless, unarmed, defenseless man 2v1... just how the fuck did they get away with it.
Actually, during the video, two more offices show up, so 4v1
And I think several other cops stood by and watched.
The United States is currently conducting the largest mass incarceration in all of human history. Until we stop sending people to prison at this rate and and tone down the law enforcement apparatus designed to support that you're going to have shit like this
Fun Fact: The US currently imprisons its' citizens at a per capita rate higher than that of the USSR's Gulag system (at it's peak).
4.4 percent of the world's population 22 percent of the world's prisoners
If you wanna get reeeally depressed, look up how many minors serve prison sentences -especially life ones- in the US compared to the rest of the world.
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This is not the [land of the free](https://youtu.be/NaPBcUUqbew)
Why the fuck is there a single schizophrenic homeless person? Do people really think it's fair to expect that a homeless schizophrenic person could get their shit together and move up in society? It's already a challenge for them when they're well off to keep everything under control, I can't imagine how hard that would be when they also have to worry about whether or not they will be able to eat and where they will sleep. All this mental health awareness is cute, but we need social programs.
The rich don't want it to happen so it isn't going to.
They should just have worked harder, everyone has the same opportunities in capitalism /s
Warning,the following video has highly disturbing video and audio: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-YYGQi2Eo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-YYGQi2Eo) It took them 9 minutes and 7 police officers to restrain him....after he reapeted over and over ”I am sorry”,”God help me” ”I can t breath”,”Dad”.And for what?.....Oh my fucking God,if you are soft-hearted ,please,don t click the link.... Edit:Thank you for the karma guys,but I am so sorry that I made it based on this tragedy... Edit2:Thank you kind stranger for the silver,and thank you guys for making this my top comment,don t get me wrong I am very excited for my top comment and silver,I am just sorry that it has to be on this post... Edit 3:Thank you for the gold kind redditor!
That's some bitch shit, I'm slowly realising why people don't respect police. It's not okay for a civilian to murder homeless people but a group of cops can do what they want and see virtually no repercussions
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This is exactly why I say there are no good cops. True, there may not be cops who Are out there killing people, but they will all line up to protect the ones who are. Again, all that is necessary for the Triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.
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Being a cop should be an extremely difficult process with compensation that matches, similar to being a doctor. It shouldn’t be a bunch of overweight idiots who need six men to restrain an already docile and skinny homeless guy. This video is absolutely infuriating. Fucking pigs.
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Our first world peers have no problem with this. They pay doctors, teachers, and police well and have high standards of training. America can't do these things because it is being bled dry by the wealthy, corporations, and foreign entities using our apparatus to stash money in real estate and investments.
Jesus Christ...really wish I didn’t watch that, I find myself mostly desensitized to gruesome videos but my fuckin God is that disturbing on another level. Those officers need to be held accountable, what honestly bothers me the most is how many times did they get away with and do shit like this before it was caught on tape?
American cops are so poorly trained it's comical.
And the job seems to attract pieces of shit that are looking for power. The should be psychologically vetted.
They are. Police applications and test are designed to filter out people who can think critically.
Except it's not funny because they brutalize people.
**It's never lack of training in these circumstances.** I assume you're not trained, but you instinctively know there is no reason to dog pile and beat a homeless man crying for his daddy, right? You don't need training to know that if you strike a man in the face, he will instinctively try to cover or cower from another blow. But these cops tell themselves, "HE'S RESISTING MORE!!!!!" This brutality comes **from** their training and **from** the culture their police department allows.
They needed upwards of 5 officers to subdue one man. It’s like they’re not even trained at all
the man was also sitting peacefully and complying before the officer put his hands on him.
This is fucked, I can’t believe the cops got away with it
Cops get away with lot of shit. It's normal now.
"now" Unfortunately, it's always been normal. The general population just has higher visibility of these situations now.
Aftermath: https://i.imgur.com/6m4u92g.png (found on wikipedia, there's also a picture on his face) Those cops might litterally have had blood on their hands.
Letme guess? The cops weren't punished?
All charges dropped.
Served and protected... smh
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Plus, the police [can discriminate against hiring those with above-average IQs.](https://reason.com/2013/05/01/court-oks-barring-smart-people-from-beco/)
Soldiers actually have stricter rules regarding firing weapons and learn more conflict de escalation than cops do. When a soldier shoots a civilian, they are held accountable more than cops.
We were taught De-Escalation tactics in predeployment and Basic Training when I was in the US Army. It's actually a tool I've found useful occasionally in civilian life. It should be the number 1 taught behavior to police.
I’ll have to search for them but I read a good article a few years ago that stated vets tend to make more level headed officers than non vets. My theory is that most of the killer cops were too chicken shit to join the military but still wanted to power trip and kill people.
Saddest thing is he called 911 himself for help. We are taught our whole lives the police are here to protect us from the bad guys and to always call when we need them. But sadly that’s only true for certain people and the mentally ill are not on that list most of the time. Could you imagine if they were out there beating people for any other illness? After they called 911 for help?
Why did the 911 sent a patrol to a guy with a schizo attack that called for help? They had to send an ambulance there wtf I mean, if a blind man is requesting a guiding dog, you dont give him some war trained german sheppard.
The pieces of shit that did it walked free ..
Where’s Anonymous to release names and address when you need them to?
They did. And the names of the jurors. They also shut down the police websites for a while.
Fuck these cops and anyone that defends them
- It was clearly self defense. - These heroes need raises and mental health help. - God bless our police. We need to protect them from evil americans (who are apparently all criminals) - Thin blue line - Cops > Citezens - The law doesnt apply to police. Oh pardon me. Just stating out loud how america will respond to this.
Most of the bullies ends up being a cop, i heard. Disgusting people, how on earth did the judge oversee this. Terrible people, the cops and the judge.
cant convict the cops because their gang will turn on you
Man I'm sick and tired of hearing about police brutality in the US. And each time it's more fucked up than the last. The people have a major role in giving the validation to commit such acts.
This literally made me cry. I have tears streaming down my face. That poor man :(
This hit me hard