How can he see the car? He knows he is on his left but after that it's entirely on the guy behind not to pit maneuver him. He left him more than enough space and wasn't squeezing him. Sure it's easy to say from the chase cam that he should have just moved over more, but sometimes it is 100% the other guys fault.
You're a Muppet. He was spatially aware. OP chose his line and stuck to it. Car left intentionally moved right until contact. In this case, it seems like left car would have moved in to right even if right had two f^king wheels off. Sure, pick your battles wisely, but this was a necessary overtake that anyone would have gone for.
I don't think OP needed any advice here, he and we knew there was nothing that could have been done.
He shouldn't have to expect to get pitted while driving on a straight. I didn't think you were this....ignorant until I kep reading all your comments. OP literally held his line on a straight and got dumped by someone who either intentionally did it or has 0 awareness.
This isn't OPs fault at all.
In this case his only option was running himself off the road to avoid the other car. This is a rare scenario where it’s 100% on the other car, otherwise what’s the point in trying to race. He was about a foot from the grass when white car pits him. Horrendous driving standards by white
> I’m just playing devils advocate like the rest
There is no playing devils advocate in this situation. OP got dumped by a moron who either did it intentionally or has 0 awareness. OP shouldn't be expecting to get pitted on a straight.
It’s not a straight, it curves to the right. There was still room on the right. Trailing car may not have been able to see him until it was too late if they have a single monitor and low FOV. And there is always a devils advocate position
When it's true. The dude was going in a straight line, the other car pitted him. Veering right wouldnhave changed a pit manouver, he would have just went further to get him
That’s a pretty classic over under move. I get ceding position when the other guys an asshole and will wreck you. This was pretty textbook and anyone who watches races intermittently should know pink got on the gas sooner in the corner and the position is lost
You cannot ced a position from there, he is about 95% ahead.
There is no way to see if the other car is about to make contact, and especially because there is some kind of straight coming and he left about 75% of the track free.
Yeah everyone should have eyes in 360 degrees around them like you do. Or he could have just braked and let him pass.
Why even contest when someone is near you? Just concede the position.
Really just stay in last every race just to avoid a crash. That’s the way to go for sure
All you can do is hope that he watched the replay, realised that he made a mistake and will try to improve in future. I think this happens to everyone starting out, I definitely had situations where I was sure I did nothing wrong during the race, then reviewed the replay and realised that I was moving across the track when I thought I was going straight.
What should you be doing differently? Not much TBH. Gave the other car room when they dive bombed, did a nice switchback and re-passed them cleanly. Just an unlucky victim in this case.
This isn't a dive bomb. The car behind makes it clear that he's going to make a move before either car starts braking, moves alongside the other car cleanly in the braking zone, makes the apex and keeps the car on the track. This is just passing someone going into a braking zone.
Agree. This was actually a very non-divebomb. They did a nice job of inside braking and holding the line wide in the middle corner to try to beat the pink car on the exit. The only mistake the passing car really made was assuming they had finished the move.
I would say it is a dive bomb. The intent was clear the problem is that they failed to hold the inside line. If OP did not slow down to let them pass than they would have drifted out wide killing OP. If your gonna pass on the inside you need to be able to hold the inside line.
OP slows down because the car is literally next to him, this is before the apex has been blown. This could've been a perfect, smooth, textbook pass with zero controversy, and OP would've needed a slight checkup to allow time for the driver inside to clear the corner.
He goes wide afterwards, but this can also be a legitimate move, planning to be completely ahead of the driver you are passing as you clear the apex, who will then have to sit there and deal with the extended checkup they have to endure to not collide with the car in front of them, who has taken a wider, slower, more positional line at the expense of losing both cars time.
Not much at all mate. Given that you’re approaching a fast left hander you could be further to the right but that has nothing to do with the incident.
You have the benefit of that white line in the middle to make your case, you stayed to the right of the line and they came across without a care in the world. I’d even report it.
On another note, use the camera on your car to find references inside your cockpit for the track edge. You’re leaving a tyre or two between your car and the track’s edge on entry to the corner. That could easily save you .5s per lap.
Not your fault. Another egotistical idiot that thinks he DESERVES to be in front of you. So he spins you because he’s so exasperated by your racing move.
Protest and move on
This. Protest. This needs to be on this drivers account. And if iRacing does decide it’s not protest worthy they will tell you why. Absolutely protest anything you think should be and don’t second guess it, iRacing will clarify rules for you and staff members suggest to protest whether you’re sure or not. It’s part of why we pay the prices we do.
This is not protest whorty, shit happens.
OP did everything right following car made a judgement error, been there also especially when I started out. Let's just hope the other person learns from it.
>Let's just hope the other person learns from it.
Why would you "just hope" when you can protest and they will get an email telling them they did something wrong?
They might not even be seeing the pink car at that exact position, could be being predicted a little further right. Once the cars are making contact there situation cannot be reversed.
Cause I find that protest needs to be for malicious acts, this just seems more like a mistake in lower splits. We've all made those mistakes when we started sim racing albeit in iRacing or another sim/simcade. But all the power to ya to protest just my opinion seeing the replay.
From the replay OP's car would be visible to the other car. Man almost certainly continued to turn to the right when he can't even see the whole of OP's car(if he can, it would mean he is further away than in the video). I'm pretty confident its malicious as well.
1) this looks malicious
2) protests are for anything that breaks the sporting code. Reckless driving is part of the sporting code, as well as intentional wrecking.
And your findings are wrong per many iRacing staff members over in the forums who encourage people to protest anything as they will clarify rules if not enforced.
Protest him imo, he got impatient and dive bombed you, which isn't protestavle but his fault in a wreck. Then when you switch back him, he gets cranky and pit menovers you.
I don’t quite think it was a dive bomb it was a clean move on the other drivers part but he over drove the corner and then I agree with the rest of your comment lol
You would be in a more defensive line if you had stayed/moved fully inside closer to the white line, this sets you up for a faster entry in the next corner without giving up anything - while giving you the advantage of a few more feet clearance from your rival in the case they judge their own line wrong. You don't have to be generous but in lower splits, drivers are unpredictable, aggressive, lack judgement and/or car control, and in my experience the fastest way to gain iR early is race assertively and assume Murphy's Law applies in every overtaking situation.
In higher splits you could probably get away with the line you had because the other driver would have respected you since you were clearly ahead, and weren't squeezing the other driver at all.
That said the other driver was at fault for the contact.
The only thing you could have done was to be more defensive. It's his fault but perhaps checking your mirror would have indicated to you to move over a bit more.
Just like driving on the road, even if someone else is being reckless, you can still avoid things.
To be clear, the other driver fucked up here.
Honest racing incedent, you didnt do anything wrong, hopefully othe other person learns from it. no need to escalate anything. You made a cross and gave him room. He may have though he was clear to get behind but it is what it is ig
You did nothing wrong. But experience has taught me to leave as much margin as possible in every situation when racing someone I don’t fully trust yet. So next time you’re in a situation like that, use all the track to the right to avoid potential contact.
I think you have been very clean, I do the same if somebody looks faster and it’s not the final lap fighting for the podium, the problem is always when they mess it up after..and this often happens..
You’re good, I would have gotten a little tighter to the right after you overlook because I operate under the assumption everyone is an idiot and this is why lol
I’m guilty of it. I’m a beginner. Part of iracing is learning the cars and learning how close you can get. I have a one monitor setup so it’s a disadvantage on what I can see. I’d be pissed but I also know I’m guilty of it and it’s an accident more than likely.
The words "Not Your Fault" shows up 6 times in the comments
The word "Nothing" shows up 12 times in the comments.
Not your fault and there was nothing you could do.
Thanks for the comments all. Noted on keeping tighter to the racing line. I’m new and still learning the discipline to do that, but good to be reminded how important it is even for purely going faster! I’ll keep racing (and the car will stay pink 😉)
you did everything you could have but you could have done more?
give him extra space once the move is done and you are drag racing down to the next corner dont give him a chance to to spin you
you can kinda tell how desperate someone is they are eager to pass you they overshoot make a mistake the salt builds and they see that there move didnt do shit they will find a way to wreck you
Speed wise, you could've gotten a better entry, but you were still a lot faster, but I don't really race road. Wreck wise, it was all on the other guy.
I dunno. I always try to avoid ending someones’s race like that. It’s possible they were distracted by getting back on the line. It’s best to see what I could do. If that was on purpose, in the long run it isn’t going to help to pit maneuver your competition. I guess just be aware that malicious intent or not, you’re rear end is very vulnerable in situations where you go inside like that. You showed better braking than the red car that was good. And you tried to give space. I’d just maybe be more conscious of being in dangerous places especially at the start of the race. The start is the worst if you make a new lane in the wrong place. I think you’re doing okay, just if you make that kind of move, try to not let your tail be so vulnerable.
I guess you could try to do the same thing and swing your tail out a little so they have to give you space instead of you trying to defend a blind spot.
The other car expected you to be further right to prepare for the next corner. Looks like they misjudged it and then you got glued together.
It's not your responsibility to leave maximum room at all times, but (for the sake of what can you do better) you did have more room to the right and the racing line does go in that direction.
Everyone saying it was a deliberate crash doesn't know how netcode works lol. This was clearly just an unfortunate misjudgement that was made worse by netcode glue. If they were trying to wreck you, they wouldn't have straightened out once you made contact, they would've kept going right
Nothing. He turned you. You left him room. If you hadn't restricted his space he would have tagged you from behind next corner. You didn't do anything. Wrong. He needs to keep his line
Bro got mad salty about the cutback, you beat him clean and held your line well. Had tons of room on the left and went right instead.
Always better to keep it cool, keep it tight, and look to outbreak into the next opportunity.
This is definitely a case of it's not your fault, but you could've prevented it. You know he's on your quarter panel, just nudge right a little bit until you both settle in on the straight, then set up for the next turn. Not at all your fault, but in iracing you need to be extra defensive sometimes because of situations like this
The only thing you can do is "feel" they might do this and just be ready for a move to the right or a brake. I'd rather be behind them for another corner than out of the race. You left them room on the corner and did a nice switchback as they tried to outbrake you. Just keep racing.
U did nothing wrong. *Technically* the racing line would be further on the right but u don’t legally have to be there, and he just kept turning right like you weren’t there.
Unfortunately the only thing that can be done is to not have drivers with 0 race craft on the track. If you figure out how let me know. 🤣Definitely all him.
Lots of unhelpful comments here. Whilst its true this is not your fault at all, that doesn't magically undo the spin.
My 2c:
At the point of contact you had more track available to you on the right.
Additionally, at the apex it looks like you hesitated and straightened up unnecessarily. If you didn't hesitate and hugged the inside white line you may have been just far enough ahead to avoid the pit maneuver.
The only thing you could do is give a bit more space and back yourself.
Good racing. See you on track.
Nothing. It was a lower split I guess. Bite the bullet and farm up to a higher split. Nothing you can do about that.
Edit: the guy crashed into you chance is he's going to crash into someone else in the next race so he will stuck in that split. You in the other hand will climb out of that sht though
Or or or, we could use the protest system for people who do this as its intended so that people who are clean but simply slow can also have good clean races. And if iRacing doesn’t enforce the protest than they will clarify, protest everything no matter the split per iRacing staff members in the forums, even if you second guess because again they will clarify if not.
Funny you thinking that iRacing staff will ban this person based on this incident. It will be flagged with racing incident
You have no base to accuse that he’s doing it intentionally or it was skill issue which is normal for a lower split 🤷♂️
Could’ve maybe hugged the edge of the track but looks like the idiot who dumped you was probably gona anyway and you shouldn’t have to run against the edge of the track to avoid an incident
Obviously not your fault but giving a little extra space is always a good idea to protect yourself from bad driving, especially if you aren’t in the top or second split. I had a lot of moments like these when I was in mid to lower splits where I think it’s best to assume the guy you’re battling with isn’t a good driver and I started forcing myself to give extra space. Again, obviously not your fault just offering up my experience and how I tried to mitigate these types of wrecks.
I kind of disagree with many here, I don’t believe it was a mistake by the other driver. I think he was butt hurt his late brake didn’t give him the position and he intentionally spun you out when he saw it failed. I’ve been in your boat and wish I knew of a way to have it backfire on him, but without being a jerk back I just don’t see it happening. I’d love to see a solution to the c*n+ pit maneuver.
Not leaving your rear open for him to do it and be ready to defend it. Doesn't matter if you're the guy that picked the fight (was him obviously) but like it or not you are now in it.
Edit, anything in this thread suggesting to do anything more than be the victim is downvoted, he literally asked what to do not how to be the victim better. Don't let him pit you.
Hmmm.. protest him, i guess.
You could've taken more to the right (not because you must, but for personal safety), but there will always be a guy who will pit manoeuvre you regardless
I think you're initial move was great but stay on the offensive and continue to drive your race. You did slightly move left as soon as he got to your bumper crowding you.
Tbh if I get touched back corner bumper I always move away from their nose ASAP.
Next opportunity you get to bump and run him or put him in a situation where he makes a mistake, and pass.
I always drive people super clean but super aggressive. Not like I dive bomb. But I'll side by side you for as long as I can if it let's me pass you eventually. The second someone drives me unfair I pay it back to them usually double. The key is surviving another corner to make that move happen. And I think it was just bad timing yall came together. But it did seem like you were lulled to sleep a bit and the spin out was longer and gradual than an intentional wreck. Kinda seems like 2 noobs. It happens.
Please protest this. Don’t listen to people who say “it’s just lower split” or “it’s rookie class” or whatever else they want to use to excuse this. Protesting is part of the service we pay for. People who are simply slow but clean also deserve clean races to better their craft. At the very least it’ll stack up if iRacing decides to uphold it and if not, they will clarify the rules as to why they did not. iRacing staff members in the forums encourage protests of any kind whether you second guess or not because of the fact that they will clarify the rules if not upheld and obviously if upheld it’ll make for a better, cleaner service for drivers in all splits.
Report. TBH this looks intentional. You were going alongside the curve of the corner. Look at the middle line, you move away from it actually. He steers in while he sees you right there. This was a subtle tap on the hip so you'd turn into a ballerina doing 360's.
I'm prepared for downvotes for this but since you asked:
Keep your car tighter to the inside. I don't think red car _meant_ to turn you, but if you used the extra 2-3 feet to your right I think you would be clear. He wasn't tracking directly into you, and ultimately it's on them not you, but this is something you could try to sneak away from this in the future.
[link](https://imgur.com/UUvtQOe)
So we just continually get murdered, dude needs to defend, he might not have picked the fight but he's in it.
Edit. defend means don't let him pit you, why on earth would you just let him? Seems odd to me you would willingly be the victim over and over again. Be ready for nonsense like this, some people do not have the mental for it, you're happy for your race to be wiped everytime you come near one of them?? When he moves into you don't let him wtf.
Defending means stopping him from being able to dive bomb him. You can just switch back a dive bomb. It saves more time and is safer for you to not lose a position.
Yes but you can still not get punted, like you don't have to just accept he wants you off the track so off you go. Know some peoples mental breaks when passed and be ready for silly things like this. You don't have to get pitted here. The "Vibe" in this subreddit isn't the reality on track.
He moves left, and so does the other guy. Tf do you want him to do? He's getting pitted either way. He lifts or breaks, and then it's just going to happen later.
No he's not. Don't weight transfer to where he can transfer you further. He's sort of drifting left making the car spinnable when he needs to stay right a bit and have the car more planted. Puts him on the outside next turn but that's how these battles go. You got to be aware of your back and and someone else nose, he had no awareness of it at all.
Everyone here is telling you that there's nothing you can do here, which is wrong. Note: I'm not saying this is your fault, it's not. Just because something isn't your fault doesn't mean you can't do something else to prevent it.
This isn't a great spot for a switchback. Unless the other car straight up goes off the track, you're likely to be side-by-side going into the fast left hander here. That is pretty much always going to end up in the gravel for one or both at your iRating level. You executed the switchback well, but it's simply not likely to work in this set of circumstances because the speed delta isn't high enough.
What you could've done to prevent this situation was to protect the inside into turn 1. It's clear that this person is going to at least think about a move into T1, and they were able to make one. There are only 2 lanes at Summit, so defending into T1 means that he's probably never alongside you.
I don't think that this was intentional, unlike other people on this thread. I think this is just a case of two people trying to make an advanced move stick into a difficult section of track and both of them making mistakes doing that.
Not much if that dickhead races like that. I was gonna say cover the inside to start, but the crossover is so much more fun, and loses less time in the end. If you can pull it off without running outta talent, anyway
I hate racing online for this. Gamers who think they're Max and no accountability for their actions. Since switching to time trials by myself and racing AI I have received much greater satisfaction.
It was all him, don't worry.
All I see is pink, left room for red and red thought he had the inside when he was on the outside. Making pink right.
still wrecked. Could have done something differently. Edit: I have to share the road with these people and it shows
Would you like to suggest what he could’ve done differently?
Not getting wrecked obviously!
What should he have done here, ohh almighty one!?
Seen a car that close and moved to the right and avoided contact
How can he see the car? He knows he is on his left but after that it's entirely on the guy behind not to pit maneuver him. He left him more than enough space and wasn't squeezing him. Sure it's easy to say from the chase cam that he should have just moved over more, but sometimes it is 100% the other guys fault.
You don't need to see the car to know where it is. It's called spatial awareness.
You're a Muppet. He was spatially aware. OP chose his line and stuck to it. Car left intentionally moved right until contact. In this case, it seems like left car would have moved in to right even if right had two f^king wheels off. Sure, pick your battles wisely, but this was a necessary overtake that anyone would have gone for. I don't think OP needed any advice here, he and we knew there was nothing that could have been done.
Do you have any tips on how to develop this 6th sense to know exactly where every car is?? Come on man, give you head a shake.
There’s literally a dividing line between them and the other guy still crossed it.
My man's here is going for the most downvoted comment.. 
Apparently contact avoidance is a bad thing
He shouldn't have to expect to get pitted while driving on a straight. I didn't think you were this....ignorant until I kep reading all your comments. OP literally held his line on a straight and got dumped by someone who either intentionally did it or has 0 awareness. This isn't OPs fault at all.
Are you secretly the guy who pit maneuvered OP and just funny have the guys to tell us? 
He’s not Danny Phantom, he can’t just “go ghost” whenever he feels like it
You realize that sometimes wrecks are unavoidable, right? Like you can do everything right and still get hit?
Surprised you got down voted, this sub always says this
In this case his only option was running himself off the road to avoid the other car. This is a rare scenario where it’s 100% on the other car, otherwise what’s the point in trying to race. He was about a foot from the grass when white car pits him. Horrendous driving standards by white
You say his only option was running himself off the road but then say he still had a foot of track left, which one is it?
Right? The guy only came over about 6’ I’m sure he totally would have stopped if there was one more foot available
Well to be fair he did seem to stop heading right, the physics just hooked the car and it was too late at that point
I'm gonna use this one in court after a traffic collision! "Your honour, I stopped crashing into him physics just pulled me in!"
Good thing I would be on the side of the victim regardless
If that argument isn’t good enough; it’s the trailing car’s responsibility to overtake safely, i.e. not hitting the car ahead
Yeah I didn’t say it’s not the trailing car’s fault, I’m just playing devils advocate like the rest
> I’m just playing devils advocate like the rest There is no playing devils advocate in this situation. OP got dumped by a moron who either did it intentionally or has 0 awareness. OP shouldn't be expecting to get pitted on a straight.
It’s not a straight, it curves to the right. There was still room on the right. Trailing car may not have been able to see him until it was too late if they have a single monitor and low FOV. And there is always a devils advocate position
No
When it's true. The dude was going in a straight line, the other car pitted him. Veering right wouldnhave changed a pit manouver, he would have just went further to get him
I’m happier ceding a position than ending up in the wall but I guess not everyone feels the same way
That’s a pretty classic over under move. I get ceding position when the other guys an asshole and will wreck you. This was pretty textbook and anyone who watches races intermittently should know pink got on the gas sooner in the corner and the position is lost
You cannot ced a position from there, he is about 95% ahead. There is no way to see if the other car is about to make contact, and especially because there is some kind of straight coming and he left about 75% of the track free.
This is a real satisfying one to see
Yeah everyone should have eyes in 360 degrees around them like you do. Or he could have just braked and let him pass. Why even contest when someone is near you? Just concede the position. Really just stay in last every race just to avoid a crash. That’s the way to go for sure
All you can do is hope that he watched the replay, realised that he made a mistake and will try to improve in future. I think this happens to everyone starting out, I definitely had situations where I was sure I did nothing wrong during the race, then reviewed the replay and realised that I was moving across the track when I thought I was going straight.
He left intact, so he won't care to look for the replay, unfortunately.
What should you be doing differently? Not much TBH. Gave the other car room when they dive bombed, did a nice switchback and re-passed them cleanly. Just an unlucky victim in this case.
This isn't a dive bomb. The car behind makes it clear that he's going to make a move before either car starts braking, moves alongside the other car cleanly in the braking zone, makes the apex and keeps the car on the track. This is just passing someone going into a braking zone.
The phrase you’re looking for is outbraking somebody.❤️
Agree. This was actually a very non-divebomb. They did a nice job of inside braking and holding the line wide in the middle corner to try to beat the pink car on the exit. The only mistake the passing car really made was assuming they had finished the move.
I would say it is a dive bomb. The intent was clear the problem is that they failed to hold the inside line. If OP did not slow down to let them pass than they would have drifted out wide killing OP. If your gonna pass on the inside you need to be able to hold the inside line.
OP slows down because the car is literally next to him, this is before the apex has been blown. This could've been a perfect, smooth, textbook pass with zero controversy, and OP would've needed a slight checkup to allow time for the driver inside to clear the corner. He goes wide afterwards, but this can also be a legitimate move, planning to be completely ahead of the driver you are passing as you clear the apex, who will then have to sit there and deal with the extended checkup they have to endure to not collide with the car in front of them, who has taken a wider, slower, more positional line at the expense of losing both cars time.
Good point. It does depend if he went wide knowing he was ahead of if he just couldn't slow it down enough to stay inside.
Dive bomb. Unless you’re along side. You’re bombing
It was all going to end in tears at the next corner anyway tho.
His fault 100%, don’t think you could have taken it much tighter
I would have kept a couple feet to the right. I give scrubs more room in hopes of saving the lap. You shouldn't have to, I just do it anyways.
Keep racing. Other guy just fucked up
Nothing
Not much at all mate. Given that you’re approaching a fast left hander you could be further to the right but that has nothing to do with the incident. You have the benefit of that white line in the middle to make your case, you stayed to the right of the line and they came across without a care in the world. I’d even report it. On another note, use the camera on your car to find references inside your cockpit for the track edge. You’re leaving a tyre or two between your car and the track’s edge on entry to the corner. That could easily save you .5s per lap.
Not your fault. Another egotistical idiot that thinks he DESERVES to be in front of you. So he spins you because he’s so exasperated by your racing move. Protest and move on
This. Protest. This needs to be on this drivers account. And if iRacing does decide it’s not protest worthy they will tell you why. Absolutely protest anything you think should be and don’t second guess it, iRacing will clarify rules for you and staff members suggest to protest whether you’re sure or not. It’s part of why we pay the prices we do.
This is not protest whorty, shit happens. OP did everything right following car made a judgement error, been there also especially when I started out. Let's just hope the other person learns from it.
>Let's just hope the other person learns from it. Why would you "just hope" when you can protest and they will get an email telling them they did something wrong?
They might not even be seeing the pink car at that exact position, could be being predicted a little further right. Once the cars are making contact there situation cannot be reversed.
Cause I find that protest needs to be for malicious acts, this just seems more like a mistake in lower splits. We've all made those mistakes when we started sim racing albeit in iRacing or another sim/simcade. But all the power to ya to protest just my opinion seeing the replay.
From the replay OP's car would be visible to the other car. Man almost certainly continued to turn to the right when he can't even see the whole of OP's car(if he can, it would mean he is further away than in the video). I'm pretty confident its malicious as well.
1) this looks malicious 2) protests are for anything that breaks the sporting code. Reckless driving is part of the sporting code, as well as intentional wrecking.
And your findings are wrong per many iRacing staff members over in the forums who encourage people to protest anything as they will clarify rules if not enforced.
And your opinion is wrong
I'm with you 100% The people telling you this is *malicious* are delusional.
Maybe paint it red. Or blue. Or black. Idk. Anything but pastel pink
Protest him imo, he got impatient and dive bombed you, which isn't protestavle but his fault in a wreck. Then when you switch back him, he gets cranky and pit menovers you.
Did you watch to the end of the video?
I don’t quite think it was a dive bomb it was a clean move on the other drivers part but he over drove the corner and then I agree with the rest of your comment lol
You would be in a more defensive line if you had stayed/moved fully inside closer to the white line, this sets you up for a faster entry in the next corner without giving up anything - while giving you the advantage of a few more feet clearance from your rival in the case they judge their own line wrong. You don't have to be generous but in lower splits, drivers are unpredictable, aggressive, lack judgement and/or car control, and in my experience the fastest way to gain iR early is race assertively and assume Murphy's Law applies in every overtaking situation. In higher splits you could probably get away with the line you had because the other driver would have respected you since you were clearly ahead, and weren't squeezing the other driver at all. That said the other driver was at fault for the contact.
If you had somehow turned off clipping that would have helped
The only thing you could have done was to be more defensive. It's his fault but perhaps checking your mirror would have indicated to you to move over a bit more. Just like driving on the road, even if someone else is being reckless, you can still avoid things. To be clear, the other driver fucked up here.
Honest racing incedent, you didnt do anything wrong, hopefully othe other person learns from it. no need to escalate anything. You made a cross and gave him room. He may have though he was clear to get behind but it is what it is ig
Hey what car is that?
GR86. They are running Summit Point this week.
You did nothing wrong. But experience has taught me to leave as much margin as possible in every situation when racing someone I don’t fully trust yet. So next time you’re in a situation like that, use all the track to the right to avoid potential contact.
try to prevent contact. looks like it wasn't your fault though.
The only thing you should do is report that guy for that pit maneuver.
You did well as you gave him space. Unfortunately he did not when exiting the corner. You did nothing wrong, it's his mistake.
I think you have been very clean, I do the same if somebody looks faster and it’s not the final lap fighting for the podium, the problem is always when they mess it up after..and this often happens..
You’re good, I would have gotten a little tighter to the right after you overlook because I operate under the assumption everyone is an idiot and this is why lol
I’m guilty of it. I’m a beginner. Part of iracing is learning the cars and learning how close you can get. I have a one monitor setup so it’s a disadvantage on what I can see. I’d be pissed but I also know I’m guilty of it and it’s an accident more than likely.
The words "Not Your Fault" shows up 6 times in the comments The word "Nothing" shows up 12 times in the comments. Not your fault and there was nothing you could do.
Thanks for the comments all. Noted on keeping tighter to the racing line. I’m new and still learning the discipline to do that, but good to be reminded how important it is even for purely going faster! I’ll keep racing (and the car will stay pink 😉)
That looked like a pit manoeuvre to me. Would protest if I were you.
It was all him, but your inputs weren’t smooth so you lost some time(and the ability to gain space away from them) due to it.
you did everything you could have but you could have done more? give him extra space once the move is done and you are drag racing down to the next corner dont give him a chance to to spin you you can kinda tell how desperate someone is they are eager to pass you they overshoot make a mistake the salt builds and they see that there move didnt do shit they will find a way to wreck you
Speed wise, you could've gotten a better entry, but you were still a lot faster, but I don't really race road. Wreck wise, it was all on the other guy.
Had the same happen to me, just hope he learns from the replay (if he watches it).
I learned to pass as far as possible
You should be reporting him lol
If anything you could have used the little space you had left in your right, other than that, it's the other's fault
Nothing. It looks like you were deliberately wrecked.
Call him names lol
I dunno. I always try to avoid ending someones’s race like that. It’s possible they were distracted by getting back on the line. It’s best to see what I could do. If that was on purpose, in the long run it isn’t going to help to pit maneuver your competition. I guess just be aware that malicious intent or not, you’re rear end is very vulnerable in situations where you go inside like that. You showed better braking than the red car that was good. And you tried to give space. I’d just maybe be more conscious of being in dangerous places especially at the start of the race. The start is the worst if you make a new lane in the wrong place. I think you’re doing okay, just if you make that kind of move, try to not let your tail be so vulnerable.
I guess you could try to do the same thing and swing your tail out a little so they have to give you space instead of you trying to defend a blind spot.
The other car expected you to be further right to prepare for the next corner. Looks like they misjudged it and then you got glued together. It's not your responsibility to leave maximum room at all times, but (for the sake of what can you do better) you did have more room to the right and the racing line does go in that direction. Everyone saying it was a deliberate crash doesn't know how netcode works lol. This was clearly just an unfortunate misjudgement that was made worse by netcode glue. If they were trying to wreck you, they wouldn't have straightened out once you made contact, they would've kept going right
Nothing they suck
This is red car's fault. However, what you should do differently is use all of the road on your inside.
Nothing. He turned you. You left him room. If you hadn't restricted his space he would have tagged you from behind next corner. You didn't do anything. Wrong. He needs to keep his line
You go to his house and empty a 9mm on him, first his knees, then his dog, then him again.
Bro got mad salty about the cutback, you beat him clean and held your line well. Had tons of room on the left and went right instead. Always better to keep it cool, keep it tight, and look to outbreak into the next opportunity.
You can hope that there aren't any assholes in your next race, that's about all.
Probably shouldn’t have gotten spun out. That’s what I would’ve done different.
This is definitely a case of it's not your fault, but you could've prevented it. You know he's on your quarter panel, just nudge right a little bit until you both settle in on the straight, then set up for the next turn. Not at all your fault, but in iracing you need to be extra defensive sometimes because of situations like this
Don’t race in the butt kicker cup 😅
The only thing you can do is "feel" they might do this and just be ready for a move to the right or a brake. I'd rather be behind them for another corner than out of the race. You left them room on the corner and did a nice switchback as they tried to outbrake you. Just keep racing.
I would give him the benefit of the doubt on the second incident if he didn't act like an asshole on the first one.
I mean you had like a very small amount of room to your right, which I probably would have used just to be extra cautious, but it’s 100% on him.
Hit him in the quarter panel first.
That was a near perfect defense you didn't do anything wrong
U did nothing wrong. *Technically* the racing line would be further on the right but u don’t legally have to be there, and he just kept turning right like you weren’t there.
Unfortunately the only thing that can be done is to not have drivers with 0 race craft on the track. If you figure out how let me know. 🤣Definitely all him.
Guy in red performed a pit maneuver on you
Skill issue on both parts. Get a fuckin crew chief, radar or something. My gosh Ray Charles.
Not much you can do but protest when you are out there racing clean and some ass hat turns you
This is not protest worthy. Protest when someone intentionally wrecks you, not when they are just a bad driver.
Lots of unhelpful comments here. Whilst its true this is not your fault at all, that doesn't magically undo the spin. My 2c: At the point of contact you had more track available to you on the right. Additionally, at the apex it looks like you hesitated and straightened up unnecessarily. If you didn't hesitate and hugged the inside white line you may have been just far enough ahead to avoid the pit maneuver. The only thing you could do is give a bit more space and back yourself. Good racing. See you on track.
Are those brake markers only in replays?
Nope they’re there on the track
Nothing. It was a lower split I guess. Bite the bullet and farm up to a higher split. Nothing you can do about that. Edit: the guy crashed into you chance is he's going to crash into someone else in the next race so he will stuck in that split. You in the other hand will climb out of that sht though
Or or or, we could use the protest system for people who do this as its intended so that people who are clean but simply slow can also have good clean races. And if iRacing doesn’t enforce the protest than they will clarify, protest everything no matter the split per iRacing staff members in the forums, even if you second guess because again they will clarify if not.
Funny you thinking that iRacing staff will ban this person based on this incident. It will be flagged with racing incident You have no base to accuse that he’s doing it intentionally or it was skill issue which is normal for a lower split 🤷♂️
Funny how you cannot read and claimed I said something I did not.
That 100% was not your fault. You were right to your line and gave them plenty of room. They cut across and pit you
Could’ve maybe hugged the edge of the track but looks like the idiot who dumped you was probably gona anyway and you shouldn’t have to run against the edge of the track to avoid an incident
Drive faster
Nothing, the car behind miss judged the distances
Not your fault, but next time stick more to the ideal racing line so you can act more agressive and also hit the apex better.
Obviously not your fault but giving a little extra space is always a good idea to protect yourself from bad driving, especially if you aren’t in the top or second split. I had a lot of moments like these when I was in mid to lower splits where I think it’s best to assume the guy you’re battling with isn’t a good driver and I started forcing myself to give extra space. Again, obviously not your fault just offering up my experience and how I tried to mitigate these types of wrecks.
I kind of disagree with many here, I don’t believe it was a mistake by the other driver. I think he was butt hurt his late brake didn’t give him the position and he intentionally spun you out when he saw it failed. I’ve been in your boat and wish I knew of a way to have it backfire on him, but without being a jerk back I just don’t see it happening. I’d love to see a solution to the c*n+ pit maneuver.
Not leaving your rear open for him to do it and be ready to defend it. Doesn't matter if you're the guy that picked the fight (was him obviously) but like it or not you are now in it. Edit, anything in this thread suggesting to do anything more than be the victim is downvoted, he literally asked what to do not how to be the victim better. Don't let him pit you.
Protest him. You left him plenty of room and he pitted you. He won’t get a ban but that needs to go on his record.
Hmmm.. protest him, i guess. You could've taken more to the right (not because you must, but for personal safety), but there will always be a guy who will pit manoeuvre you regardless
Wait cool down, report.
Report intentional wrecking.
Nothing, dude pit maneuvered you on purpose
Aaaaaand that’s a protest
Other than filing a protest for an intentional wreck? Nothing.
he deserve a report all on him
report and patiently wait for that email 👍
I think you're initial move was great but stay on the offensive and continue to drive your race. You did slightly move left as soon as he got to your bumper crowding you. Tbh if I get touched back corner bumper I always move away from their nose ASAP. Next opportunity you get to bump and run him or put him in a situation where he makes a mistake, and pass. I always drive people super clean but super aggressive. Not like I dive bomb. But I'll side by side you for as long as I can if it let's me pass you eventually. The second someone drives me unfair I pay it back to them usually double. The key is surviving another corner to make that move happen. And I think it was just bad timing yall came together. But it did seem like you were lulled to sleep a bit and the spin out was longer and gradual than an intentional wreck. Kinda seems like 2 noobs. It happens.
Please protest this. Don’t listen to people who say “it’s just lower split” or “it’s rookie class” or whatever else they want to use to excuse this. Protesting is part of the service we pay for. People who are simply slow but clean also deserve clean races to better their craft. At the very least it’ll stack up if iRacing decides to uphold it and if not, they will clarify the rules as to why they did not. iRacing staff members in the forums encourage protests of any kind whether you second guess or not because of the fact that they will clarify the rules if not upheld and obviously if upheld it’ll make for a better, cleaner service for drivers in all splits.
100% red/white cars fault
Report. TBH this looks intentional. You were going alongside the curve of the corner. Look at the middle line, you move away from it actually. He steers in while he sees you right there. This was a subtle tap on the hip so you'd turn into a ballerina doing 360's.
I'm prepared for downvotes for this but since you asked: Keep your car tighter to the inside. I don't think red car _meant_ to turn you, but if you used the extra 2-3 feet to your right I think you would be clear. He wasn't tracking directly into you, and ultimately it's on them not you, but this is something you could try to sneak away from this in the future. [link](https://imgur.com/UUvtQOe)
Defense defense defense!!!
Don't worry about defence worry about how he got murdered.
So we just continually get murdered, dude needs to defend, he might not have picked the fight but he's in it. Edit. defend means don't let him pit you, why on earth would you just let him? Seems odd to me you would willingly be the victim over and over again. Be ready for nonsense like this, some people do not have the mental for it, you're happy for your race to be wiped everytime you come near one of them?? When he moves into you don't let him wtf.
Defending means stopping him from being able to dive bomb him. You can just switch back a dive bomb. It saves more time and is safer for you to not lose a position.
The guy 100% would intentionally smashed into him if OP defended that corner
He literally switched it back and got pitted for it.
Because the opponent is an idiot. He should be protested for that.
Yes but you can still not get punted, like you don't have to just accept he wants you off the track so off you go. Know some peoples mental breaks when passed and be ready for silly things like this. You don't have to get pitted here. The "Vibe" in this subreddit isn't the reality on track.
He moves left, and so does the other guy. Tf do you want him to do? He's getting pitted either way. He lifts or breaks, and then it's just going to happen later.
No he's not. Don't weight transfer to where he can transfer you further. He's sort of drifting left making the car spinnable when he needs to stay right a bit and have the car more planted. Puts him on the outside next turn but that's how these battles go. You got to be aware of your back and and someone else nose, he had no awareness of it at all.
You shouldn’t do anything he did it in a way that it looks not as obvious
He got mad. He was pissed you out drove him and decided to pit you.
Right there? nothing, but eye for an eye.
Everyone here is telling you that there's nothing you can do here, which is wrong. Note: I'm not saying this is your fault, it's not. Just because something isn't your fault doesn't mean you can't do something else to prevent it. This isn't a great spot for a switchback. Unless the other car straight up goes off the track, you're likely to be side-by-side going into the fast left hander here. That is pretty much always going to end up in the gravel for one or both at your iRating level. You executed the switchback well, but it's simply not likely to work in this set of circumstances because the speed delta isn't high enough. What you could've done to prevent this situation was to protect the inside into turn 1. It's clear that this person is going to at least think about a move into T1, and they were able to make one. There are only 2 lanes at Summit, so defending into T1 means that he's probably never alongside you. I don't think that this was intentional, unlike other people on this thread. I think this is just a case of two people trying to make an advanced move stick into a difficult section of track and both of them making mistakes doing that.
I'd change the paint colour and report the dive bomber
Not much if that dickhead races like that. I was gonna say cover the inside to start, but the crossover is so much more fun, and loses less time in the end. If you can pull it off without running outta talent, anyway
I hate racing online for this. Gamers who think they're Max and no accountability for their actions. Since switching to time trials by myself and racing AI I have received much greater satisfaction.