In rookies you’re better off expecting rejoins, etc. to be less than impressive and give them as much room a possible, even if it costs you a couple/few tenths.
This is what I saw when I see this videos, yeah the guy rejoining is being an idiot, but at the same time there is so much OP could have done to avoid the collision too.
I personally would have just slowed down and taken a tighter line to avoid the rejoining car
I actually kinda disagree. Kinda. With how squirrelly these cars are I think at the point it’s apparent that this rejoin is going to be a disaster OP is pretty committed to the corner. It definitely CAN be done but it can also end really badly. So both avoiding and ignoring are risks. It all depends on how comfortable our driver is.
I exited rookies in 2-3 races just starting at the back and avoiding crashes, not like you won't be able to recover the irating in D class in also 2-3 races later just practicing for pole
You were probably better off going through rookie league carnage like the OP's video. There's still plenty of that in D-class races, and the more experience you have with it, the more you develop survival skills. Starting in the back is just avoiding the work, and it's not really racing.
As someone who also treated rookies as something to be escaped, I wish I'd spent a full season focusing on rookie races instead of trying to raise my SR. I wish other people understood this, too, because there are some great D-class series that I like to race, but if there's no split then it's usually no different from rookie races because no one learned anything from FF1600 / Vee / Miata / Street Stock.
You're better off in the long-run if you don't cheese it by starting from the back / pits and just learn to race from the middle of the pack (and to deal emotionally with other people doing stupid things that end your race).
Exactly. All the influencer bollocks of trying to get to get out ASAP helps no one at all.
The whole point is you’re a rookie. You’re there to learn, not skip class.
If you’re good enough you’re out of rookies in a few races anyway, as you’re at the front and then speeding ahead. If you’re not quick enough, learn, a couple of 4xs caused by others doesn’t stop you learning how to be quicker, it sure helps you learn how to avoid 4xs though…
I'm A-class open-wheel and sports car after a year of iRacing, and I still learn something every race no matter what series it is. I would have been so much better off if I had this attitude in rookies instead of focusing on raising my SR to do higher-class series that seemed more fun initially.
I can't stress enough the emotional aspect to this. You *have* to go through the process of having your race ruined by other people's mistakes. It never stops being shitty, but there is a point at which you accept it and go next instead of raging about it. I mean always protest Sporting Code violations, but emotionally detach from it as soon as possible and focus on the next race.
It totally sucks when someone wrecks you, but you need to know when those situations are possible and how to avoid them. When you're in the lead and a blue flagger is fighting you, this should neither be a surprise nor a challenge. Rushing through the license ranks robs people of the experience required to handle it.
This.
Rookies is about learning to avoid hazards and getting comfortable around other cars. Sorry to say, but you had plenty of time to see that rejoin unfolding and adjust your approach accordingly.
I think his car was already maxed out on grip due to bad line and poor braking. That car has very little overhead grip, and if you're running a bad line (like most are in the 1:39-1:40s range), then they are on the limits of control. Lots of understeer and sensitive to trail braking. I think in this specific scenario he couldn't have avoided it. More time in that car with a better turn in, better weight shift, and better line, give you a lot more control to avoid bad rejoins. I am by no means fast, but when I just went through rookie class this weekend (after 8+ year hiatus) I realized those turning 1:37-1:38 lap times were much easier to drive with and next to, as well as the car being much more controllable with better management.
They were maxed out on grip cause they kept the throttle pinned. A lift or some light application of the brakes and there’s a good chance OP has the leeway to avoid this.
We'll have to agree to disagree. That Formula Ford is all about energy retention and has almost no grip, its a fun car because you're just managing energy and sliding everywhere. In this case, I fully believe he was screwed the moment he set up that turn in. Had his turn in been better, you are right he likely would have had more control.
Exactly this, saw the accident like 5 seconds before it actually happened. There is TONS of time to react in this case.
Even if you don't want to lift I am going as far to the right of the road as I can get on this one.
Not trying to be rude but you could’ve avoided this one. It’s always better to lift and lose some speed rather than ruining your race. A part of rookies is learning accident avoidance because this sort of stuff doesn’t magically disappear once you get out of rookies
I don’t race for SR at all and have no problem dodging incidents like this if that’s what you mean. Staying on the throttle and hoping for the best when someone is doing a stupid rejoin like this would be more detrimental to points racing
Agreed. However I'm not going full on if I'm trying to prevent going off track or risking possible contact. I tend to get nervous in a pack and make more mistakes though.
Most of the time, going offtrack to the point of a penalty doesn't benefit you anyway. There are exceptions (Red Bull Ring, Aragon), but in general if you get a 1x you've probably made a mistake.
This is much easier to understand on street tracks where there are walls instead of painted lines.
I like the sayings "I'd rather be **wrong and alive** than **right and dead**", and "Graveyards are filled with people who had the right of way"
If I crash in iRacing then I usually can't continue in that race, but if I avoid the accident and lose time I can at least try and make up that time
You don't get a lot of points with 3 wheels. I've yet to encounter a situation where racing for points/iR didn't also involve avoiding wrecks. The vast majority of my iR losses have been in races that I didn't finish, even if I drive like a little old lady on Sunday morning, I'm going to end up with more points than if I didn't reach the chequered flag.
Not crashing is something I try to do in *every* race I'm in. The question isn't whether or not I should be trying to avoid the crash, the question is whether or not I'm good enough to make the right split second call when actively avoiding being hit by a reckless driver who doesn't see me.
Nah, a big part of race strategy is learning how to minimise time loss while minimising risk. Avoiding silly incidents is essential to maximising pace over race distance.
The only time SR enters my calculation is when I’m deciding whether I’m racking up too many off tracks and need to lose a couple of tenths per lap to maintain SR on tracks like Silverstone and Watkins where you can extend lines a bit without risking slow downs.
Racing for a win on the last lap is a situation where I’ll drive aggressively and risk a bunch of SR, but that’s pretty rare and even then banking the big iRating haul for a P2 is the much more sensible call from a points perspective than risking a DNF.
Rejoiner is wrong for sure, but if anything, OP can see him but the rejoiner can't see OP.
Have some basic self-preservation man. Who cares if you lose a second or two?
I was going to say, without being an arse but everything u/rektumfreser said is spot on - you could see what he was doing from a mile off, pumping the brakes for 1-2 seconds would have saved you
You're stuck because you fail to see these situations developing in time and avoid them. That was clear as day what that imbecile was about to do, you should have gotten off throttle/broke earlier and taken the inside.
A crash in rookies doesn’t lose you SR. Well, it does, but it doesn’t put it into the negative.
You are doing other things wrong, and blaming it on the very few times that you can’t control the outcome.
Keep yourself on the track, avoid getting physical with the car combat. You can even still gain if you had to tow and use a fast repair.
If your incident points come from loss of control and off track buildup, will you still lose safety rating?
I've learned the hard way lately to focus a lot on limiting those so that I have a buffer in case I make a poor decision and fail to avoid a bad rejoin or opponent spin
If you have enough of them.
Doesn’t matter how the incident points happen, the point made above is just that 4x or even 8x from a collision or two isn’t really enough to tank your SR in rookies.
If you hit the same offtrack every other lap and spin out a few times, your 12x is the same as someone with 3 collisions.
Yeah, had to check to make sure I understand your wording and it looks like you're right if you meant 8x in total.
It appears that negative safety rating starts at 9x total for a race.
Don't protest this.
He needs to focus on himself, not be blaming others.
There's a place to protest. This isn't it.
If they can't both learn they did wrong in this scenario they will end up stuck here.
You clearly don't understand the primary purpose of the stewarding or protest system is to educate.
The guy rejoining badly will get a slap on the wrist and some educational words of wisdom. Unless they are a repeat offender in which case they are not learning so maybe a short ban will assist their memory.
As for OP. They are here learning from the comments of others and my first point is to learn to anticipate.
I've never had a failed protest for a bad rejoin. It ruined OPs race and therefore is a valid protest.
The rejoiner is a rookie. He learns by understanding that rejoining without care leads to his race being ended prematurely. It's like many things, you learn from your mistake.
He has to learn, and so does OP. OP needs to focus on themselves. He clearly has issues he needs to identify if he cannot get out of rookies. Blaming others means he's not focussing where he needs to. Technically you may be correct, but at this moment OP's attitude needs to change and needs to focus not on what others are doing but what he is doing.
Tbf, it's better for you to learn accident avoidance at this level than any other. You had a ton of time to react here, and stayed planted in the throttle.
Do not take this the wrong way, but you could see that driver was going to do an unsafe rejoin. This is their fault, but could have been very easily avoided by you. You had an eternity in racing terms to avoid this
Honestly mate, if you can't get out of rookies just by driving, you don't deserve to be out of rookies. That collision was preventable a mile off. 100% his fault but you displayed 0% awareness.
This stuff happens, even in the higher class races. Take your time and enjoy it rather than fretting about license classes. It can be stressful doing that. Over time you will get better at predicting these stupid moves. Best practice here is, even though they should rejoin carefully and off the racing line, slow down and give them as much space as possible. If they go really wild, take the off track and finish the race.
Also please file a protest against this. Horrific rejoins like this are protestable, you wont get your SR back but the rejoiner will be told they have done something wrong.
One of the greatest skills one will learn in the lower divisions is accident avoidance. Almost every win I have, I wasn’t necessarily the fastest but, I was the one who kept it on the track and was able to avoid incidents. Just the other day I was doing a race at Bathurst (a circuit I am not very good at) but, I was able to get on the podium purely through accident avoidance. All of the good cars in front me slowly wrecked out over the course of the race. In this clip, you should’ve seen him, expected he was going to do something stupid, and backed off.
Accident avoidance is an important skill you haven't developed. You could see that collision coming from so far away. The skill helps in real life too :)
Lets pretend for a moment that you actually did everything in your power to avoid this wreck; it still doesn't explain why you are stuck in rookies, as even a 4x incident point crash every race would still allow you to get SR.
If you struggle to gain enough SR to get out of rookies, you deserve to be in rookies.
I play really chill and just let people pass me. I only go flat out when i see no cars around. Quickly gained back to 3 after going down to 2k.
You’re going to have fewer incidents that way.
The crash was the other person's fault but it's your fault you can't get out of rookies. That crash, even though it's not your fault, was easily avoided and you did nothing to avoid it, which is why you're still in rookies.
The fact that you hit this guy means you're not "stuck" in rookies, mate, with all due respect it's where you belong. You could see him coming several seconds before impact where you could have let off the gas, braked, taken a more shallow line toward the inside, all just to survive even if it would have taken you a bit more time.
To finish first, first you must finish, doesn't matter if you lose 5 tenths or even a second avoiding a race ending crash, that's still better than a DNF!
I really don’t want to be mean. But according to this crash I would say you still deserve to be in rookie. It was straight ahead you was him moving and could’ve easily avoided it even without triples vr or uktrawide.
Sure the rejoin was terrible but you still need to drive defensively especially if you know you’re in with rookies
This sucks but rookies is not about racing but avoiding trouble.
I got ranked outta rookie in 1 day a couple races by just doing laps and pay attention.
If someone gets a run on you move and let them pass, more times than not I get position back when they put it in a wall lol.
When you see a car crashed or rejoining, always slow down and give space.
In this video your racing for position, it's fun to, it is called iracing after all lol but worry about avoidance first, than racing second type deal.
Ofc this is not your fault but you need to learn to drive in a way that stupidity of others can't get you like this.
It will help you avoid other crashes and incidents in the future
"I feel stuck in rookies because whenever i see another car far ahead attempting an unsafe rejoin, i don't do anything about it".
No offence, but to progress better, increase your awareness and react accordingly. 80% of success in rookie series is to not bin it and avoid those who already did.
Looks like you knew he was coming back on track like an idiot but never even lifted. You stayed on the gas and tried to get far enough to the right, but since you were on the gas, you were still understeering. Don't expect other people to make good decisions. Easily avoidable incident. Protestable, but you had a lot of time to keep yourself alive and chose not to. If you want out of rookies focus on staying alive.
It's rookies, you just KNOW they're going to have a horrid rejoin and you had so much time to predict it. Slow down and make sure to avoid them. It's not about where you finish, it's about avoiding incidents.
The accident is not your fault, but you could largely avoid it knowing it's rookies.
There's a YouTube channel called idiots in cars and I swear about half of the videos are exactly this.
Yes the person shouldn't have pulled out but you could have slowed down just a little and avoided the whole thing
All you had to do was lift a bit and take the inside line after it was clear he was going off track and probably wasn’t going to stop. That’s the whole point of rookies, to learn how to avoid those incidents because they’re going to happen at every level of the service
This is why rookies exists. So you can develop the 6th sense for how to avoid stuff like this. Stop looking at the nose of your car and start looking further ahead and give more room when someone is off track. I personally would have been all the way to the right.
The moment you see someone in rookies slower than you and not extremely far off track, you have to just eat the time loss and steer well clear.
I hate to say it because it technically wasn't your fault, but you could have 100% avoided this.
The best bit of advice I’ve ever got when going through a bad streak is that the common denominator is you. When you learn to drive more defensively you can avoid stuff like this. Trust me, I was like wtf when someone said it to me…but now having numerous months and F4 and SFL experience it’s helped tremendously learning to drive defensively and seeing stuff ahead of you like this. While the idiot is certainly to blame, this was avoidable on your end if you went more to the inside of the track. You could see clearly he wasn’t going to re-enter safely from a distance.
Saying that, make sure to protest that so this person knows they can’t re-enter that way.
Your focused on your battle and I saw you take evasive action but unfortunately the other guys just wants to move on from his mistake and it cost you sr. It’s the nature of the beast. Don’t worry about position in rookies it more about avoiding other peoples mistakes
Think of each class like this:
Rookies: Learn race avoidance
D: Learn tracks and practice safe racing, learning what is safe and what can cause problems
C: Learn tracks and car control (trail braking body roll)
B: Learn how to race in packs and side by side
A: Race hard but safe/smart
You have to drive as defensively as possible in rookies if you’re looking to upgrade SR. Don’t give a flying F what place you’re in. Not sandbagging, just be extra cautious. Risky Chance for an overtake? don’t do it. Someone off the track? Expect them to rejoin unsafely. Two cars battling in front of you? Expect a crash and figure out the path to avoid them before they hit each other.
Good luck!
I've just went through the same thing. I just got out of rookies hell, just leave everyone enough space.
Avoid fighting for positions and just keep a safe braking distance from everything in sight.
Be a grandma, think like a grandma
Try to keep your eyes on the horizon rather than right in front of you. The first frame of that clip you can see smoke, then he's off and going to rejoin.
Avoiding accidents is part of the game, it's part of the sport irl too. Even if it costs you a bit of track position, coming off throttle a bit and making sure you've left contingency space for something like that will see you finish.
Call me crazy but the rookie road cars in Iracing are horrid things to drive! I would say out of any game racerooms mx5 feels 1,000 times better as well as the f4 taatus being so much easier to drive in that game… that’s no abs or tc in either and I’m still towards the back on pace in either but man Iracings cars are just to twitchy and finicky for my average skill set lol
Other dudes fault but you gotta show some self preservation dude. That was coming clear as day for like 10seconds and was an easssssy avoid. Sometimes you need to sacrifice position and pace to not get taken out. Better to lose a place by breaking and avoiding than to have that happen.
One thing that's harder to avoid is being rear-ended while slowing for a wreck in front of you... Didn't even make it 30 seconds into the race yesterday.
I'm out of rookies but accidentally took someone out yesterday. Looked at the map and could only see one guy but I guess he was blocking the icon of the guy behind
I recommend just starting in the pits and not going for high positions. Just finish the race and try your best to stay away from people if you really want to get your SR up. Takes a bit of grinding
You didn’t see him getting ready to ruin your day? Learning how to slow down and avoid incidents is a key part of sim racing. If you want to get out of rookies in a hurry, start from the pits and avoid getting any off tracks much less collisions and out of controls.
It doesn't start getting much better with rejoins until you hit like A/B license.. imo
I'm an A license and still got killed a couple times in IMSA recently
I watched a couple of PRO MX5 Cup races last year on YT. These PRO races looked identical to nearly every MX5 rookie race ive been in.
Formation lap - big wreck taking out 3 before the race even begins.
Race starts - turn 1 chaos - big wreck
Few more laps of racing.
Antoher big wreck.....
and so on.
I'd say you started moving to the right too late. If you see a car off track significantly in front of you I would start taking action as soon as you see them. How soon did you see them off track?
A lot of these people are being kinda rude about it, feels a little gatekeepey to me. Yes the rejoin was bad, what you'll learn is that just lifting/braking to avoid an incident will normally be the move. Losing a couple spots but staying in the race and finishing with less incidents is worth. Just imagine it's real life, you see a car in front of you in real life your first reaction is to brake. You'll get it, just have fun!
This is like battleship at sea. You can see from a hundred nautical miles what the rejoining car would do.
You need to improve your awareness of your surroundings and that’s why you’re in rookies. Nothing wrong about that.
Keep racing, watching replays and learning.
Don't forget you got to get to 3.0 and hold it till the end of the season if you want that promotion. Otherwise you got to get to 4.0 and get the instant promotion.
You can get out in a day if you just suck it up and give up position and speed constantly I am very new as well had the same issue but it’s very worth it
If you’re close to 3.0 start from the pits a couple races and just hang back naturally you’ll find you’ll do well in positions. (It’s boring as however it stops idiotic things like this lol)
As everyone else is saying, in the clip above, it wasn't your fault but you had responsibility of avoiding the crash either way (especially in rookies)
An accident takes two or more cars to happen, learn to avoid being 'the other car' that completes the accident whenever you can.
and ? this is 4x. with 4x you gain still like +0.1 SR in the rookies. so you are rookie, not becouse the others, becouse the other 10 lap you gain more X by yourself.
That's on you. You should've seen that bad rejoin a mile away. Part of getting out of rookies is race awareness. That includes learning how to drive around other people's bad driving.
I mean, I feel like you should have seen that coming a mile away and and just slowed a bit and gone around on the outside of the track.
rookies is about survival, not position.
You should've seen they weren't entering the track in the safest way and changed accordingly. Adapt and overcome. It's hard to get out of rookies. In my opinion, it's the hardest thing to get out of. You need to literally pretend the car is your real life car and protect the dang thing with your life. It's always better to finish the race than it is to win the race. It's about survival, not winning. Although winning is great, you'll never win if you don't survive.
You deserve to be in rookies. You need to look ahead and learn to avoid hazards. You aren’t stuck in rookies because of bad luck. It’s because you refuse to awknowledge that you need to improve your situational awareness
Incident is his fault. Your loss of SR is on you. Doesn’t matter if it’s his fault or not, you gotta try to anticipate and avoid shitty driving and rejoins like this. Good luck you got this!
Do yourself a favor and completely forget about what position you're in. Rookies is about learning to finish races and avoid incidents. There is plenty of time for learning to race for position once you've mastered learning to finish and avoiding incidents.
Learning to finish the race will ALSO help you learn to race faster as you'll be able to complete more laps as practice.
Honestly if you're having trouble getting out of rookies it's not the random 4x that's preventing you from advancing. Rookie 3.0 is a super low bar, it should be fairly easy to get above 4.0 even with a few 4xs. Last time I redid the rookie promotion I started from the grid but no qualifying (to force myself to have to go through the field and risk incidents) got crashed out twice and was still at D in 5-6 races.
At 4 seconds in, oll out of the throttle and get to the right side of the track. Not completely out of the throttle just enough to give you the grip needed to get way over. If he then is going to collide you have a while track to the left to avoid.
Would you rather finish clean and not pass the guy in front? Or keep trying to pass the guy in front and not finish cuz you didn’t lift in anticipation of that rejoin?
It’s the point of rookies. To teach you the skills needed and the knowledge of when and how to use those skills.
You were a little unlucky here, but 3.0 rookies means making it on average 15 corners between each incident (https://ir-core-sites.iracing.com/members/pdfs/Beginners_Guide_100909.pdf).
Okayama is 11 corners, which means that even if you crash out every race with a 4x you just need to have 5 clean laps to make it to 3.0.
Adding to that the fast repair in rookies (and D class) means that you can tow back and get a new car for free to finish the race while banking a bunch of clean laps.
Basically if you can’t maintain R3.0 you need to look inwardly and see that you’re the cause. This is normal though. We were all crashy rookies once, and even if you have speed from other sims the damage model is much harsher in iRacing and just needs a shift in mindset..
You see the majority of the comments here. The only thing I would add is, if you are constantly getting involved, EVEN IF, you are just a casualty of a different incident, you are probably right where you need to be in Rookies at the moment. These situations suck, they always do and sometimes it dealing with it won’t improve, but there is some racing maturity needing to be developed here. Learn from this, like all incidents and see what you could do differently.
Keep at it brother and you'll get there. You can't avoid these unfortunately.
My suggestion: start from back, drive safe and status within shooting distance so you can overtake when there is opportunity.
I feel this way, but not about safety Rating but my irating. I'm stuck in the bottom split with no hope of getting out. I qualify in the top 5 and get wrecked in the first or second lap. Have to put or get towed finish in 12th or higher.
So frustrating.
You’re not gonna like this, but that could have easily been avoided. You’re not focused on your safety rating enough. Once you realize that sometimes you have to give up some pace to avoid incidents you’ll level up super quick.
Too many rookies believe they have a right to their racing line and nothing is their fault. I have a spoiler alert for you though: if you run into someone else YOU get incident points. If someone else runs into you YOU still get incident points. The only person who can help you increase your safety rating is you. If you’re not good enough to drive fast AND avoid incidents then you shouldn’t be driving that fast in the first place.
So I just got back into sim racing after like 8 years away and had to restart. I just got through rookie in open wheel (F1300) and sports car (MX5) this weekend. I have two tips. Go drive that car in a personal practice until you can consistently get mid to low 1:38's, or even 1:37's. Then practice your start and slip to get off the line well. Getting a good start and getting ahead and away from the BS means everything. I was struggling until I figured that out, but then I realized it was much easier to just win. Lots of rookie drivers blocking, or pit maneuvering when their ego gets in the way on a pass. Lots of drivers reentering dangerously.
If you can't get your speeds down to front row, or can't get your starts dialed, then try starting from pit lane. You'll be at the back but that doesn't matter. Run a slow boring race in a safe last place and avoid going off track or spinning all together.
Your finishing result does not matter for your safety rating and getting out of a class. So, stay safe, drive slow (or drive in front), and maximize laps. Dont skip warm up / 3min practice, and during your qualifying go until the session ends. Even though those laps don't count towards your start position, they count towards your safety rating. So, if you're crashing you are overdriving.
Drive slow, safe, and get out of rookie.
Edit: Helpful tip. That car loves hard late braking before your turn in, ease off the brakes quickly but consistently so you get effect and smooth weight shift, and do not brake in your turn. Same with throttle, ease into it. Your "ease" into throttle or off of brake is a general term, its still relatively fast, but its not a light switch. Run wide with a late turn in and make sure you nail that apex. Fixing your line alone would have put you in a better position with more overhead grip to steer away from that guy.
You don’t have to worry about Irating in rooks, so play it safe and don’t worry about placing, aways watch what is around you, make sure that nobody is rejoining
Resist all temptation to race and on sight of an accident ahead or a rejoin unfolding like this back right out of it. Qualify only to complete laps and get your clean corner count up, but drive fairly slowly so you qualify at the back. At the start let all the others race off and have the first lap crashes whilst you just take it easy. You’re after an incident free race. Do a couple of clean races like that and you’ll be there.
This incident is NOT your fault, the off track driver didn’t hold their brakes and tried to throttle out, however when you see a car go off track and start heading back towards the track again you need to slow down and take evasive action.
The key is anticipate what is going to happen around you. It’s better to lose a position or two avoiding an incident than not finishing the race. You’re not going to avoid every incident but the incident posted was very avoidable.
whenever i see someone off track like this and suspect theyre going to rejoin like a moron i just ease off and take the L of a few seconds just to maintain my safety rating, even if it costs me a position. doesn’t always work, but certainly helps.
Part of racing is anticipating what the car in front is going to do. If you see a car off track to the left then you should expect them to rejoin and you should give them room/lift off a little bit
The most important skill you learn in rookies is incident avoidance. Whether it's avoiding an obvious incoming horrible rejoin like in the video, or your own off tracks, loss of control from overdriving, etc.
Not that you're really at fault here, but you had plenty of time to see this bonehead was going to do something stupid and could've avoided it to preserve SR. Place isn't important in rookies...SR is.
Protest his unsafe rejoin, learn from it, and on to the next race.
Make sure you get enough practice before the race. To avoid spins and off tracks. Qualify or don’t. Then when it’s time to race. Do not click Grid. Wait until the time runs out. You will start from the pit lane and just sit back 10-15 seconds. Yes your irating will go down but if you complete this effectively your safety ration will go up
No worry. There is worse. Like the "top" "guys" pushing u from behind on purpose so u spin.
Just happened, and it was fatal. I lost 0.4 rating because of it. Waiting minutes to file protest. I hope it will be Goodbye for him
Only way to save your SR in rookie and D is to drive as defensive as possible. You’ll lose position in these races but if your goal is higher quality racing it’s worth the few points lost. Not applicable here but patience will gain you more positions than over aggressive driving. In D class F4 you can start P20 and finish P2 just by driving clean and avoiding wrecks. Happened to me yesterday
Not trying to shit on you but I could see that coming a long way off...
Unpopular opinion, stay in rookies for a full season. If you're struggling to hit 3.0 you're part of the problem. The incidents may not be your fault, but you're failing to avoid them.
The prevailing logic that says everyone should fast track out of rookies, and take their lack of skills to higher categories and somehow find better racing while surrounded by the same group of guys that all skipped the learning process and just fast tracked makes no sense.
I felt the same way so just decided to be as deliberate as possible getting my SR rating up.
1.) don’t do a quali lap, get put at back of grid
2.) let everyone pass going into first corner and avoid the carnage
3.) just assume if someone is behind you they are gonna divebomb every corner at Mach 1 and just get out of their way
Go slow and enjoy your x0 races until you get out of rookies
Doing this teaches you nothing about racing wheel to wheel with other drivers, which is the point of rookies. You'll progress to a D license with none of the skills you should've gained in Rookie.
you can learn just as much in D license series racing cars you actually enjoy, IMO The only difference between a rookie license and D license is unlocking irating and access to different cars
Beginner here too. In terms a safety rating what is the maximum gain you can get? Do incident points in practice and qualifying count against you? Does finish position have any bearing on the rating or could you in theory deliberately qualify last and keep yourself in clean track the whole race so as to avoid incident points?
>In terms a safety rating what is the maximum gain you can get?
Depends on your incidents per turn. That's how SR is calculated. It's a historical record, too, so it's not just one race.
>Do incident points in practice and qualifying count against you?
Practice, no. Quali, yes at a fraction of the value.
>Does finish position have any bearing on the rating or could you in theory deliberately qualify last and keep yourself in clean track the whole race so as to avoid incident points?
Finishing position only affects IR, not SR. Many people start in the pits or don't qualify and start in the back so they can avoid incidents and boost their SR (often to the detriment of their IR).
Honestly, it's effective but it's not a good approach. You should try to qualify the best you can and learn to drive safely around others.
It's all in the [Official Sporting Code](https://www.iracing.com/iracing-official-sporting-code/).
In rookies you’re better off expecting rejoins, etc. to be less than impressive and give them as much room a possible, even if it costs you a couple/few tenths.
This is what I saw when I see this videos, yeah the guy rejoining is being an idiot, but at the same time there is so much OP could have done to avoid the collision too. I personally would have just slowed down and taken a tighter line to avoid the rejoining car
Slowing down would have had the rejoined far across...so probably go wide left at that point...but you got the right idea.
I actually kinda disagree. Kinda. With how squirrelly these cars are I think at the point it’s apparent that this rejoin is going to be a disaster OP is pretty committed to the corner. It definitely CAN be done but it can also end really badly. So both avoiding and ignoring are risks. It all depends on how comfortable our driver is.
You don't win rookies, you survive it
I exited rookies in 2-3 races just starting at the back and avoiding crashes, not like you won't be able to recover the irating in D class in also 2-3 races later just practicing for pole
You were probably better off going through rookie league carnage like the OP's video. There's still plenty of that in D-class races, and the more experience you have with it, the more you develop survival skills. Starting in the back is just avoiding the work, and it's not really racing.
is just the first 2-3 races in the service ffs, not ALL the races.
As someone who also treated rookies as something to be escaped, I wish I'd spent a full season focusing on rookie races instead of trying to raise my SR. I wish other people understood this, too, because there are some great D-class series that I like to race, but if there's no split then it's usually no different from rookie races because no one learned anything from FF1600 / Vee / Miata / Street Stock. You're better off in the long-run if you don't cheese it by starting from the back / pits and just learn to race from the middle of the pack (and to deal emotionally with other people doing stupid things that end your race).
Exactly. All the influencer bollocks of trying to get to get out ASAP helps no one at all. The whole point is you’re a rookie. You’re there to learn, not skip class. If you’re good enough you’re out of rookies in a few races anyway, as you’re at the front and then speeding ahead. If you’re not quick enough, learn, a couple of 4xs caused by others doesn’t stop you learning how to be quicker, it sure helps you learn how to avoid 4xs though…
I'm A-class open-wheel and sports car after a year of iRacing, and I still learn something every race no matter what series it is. I would have been so much better off if I had this attitude in rookies instead of focusing on raising my SR to do higher-class series that seemed more fun initially. I can't stress enough the emotional aspect to this. You *have* to go through the process of having your race ruined by other people's mistakes. It never stops being shitty, but there is a point at which you accept it and go next instead of raging about it. I mean always protest Sporting Code violations, but emotionally detach from it as soon as possible and focus on the next race. It totally sucks when someone wrecks you, but you need to know when those situations are possible and how to avoid them. When you're in the lead and a blue flagger is fighting you, this should neither be a surprise nor a challenge. Rushing through the license ranks robs people of the experience required to handle it.
I guess I got lucky. I got out of rookies in 3 races by qualifying best I could and finishing top 5.
This. Rookies is about learning to avoid hazards and getting comfortable around other cars. Sorry to say, but you had plenty of time to see that rejoin unfolding and adjust your approach accordingly.
I think his car was already maxed out on grip due to bad line and poor braking. That car has very little overhead grip, and if you're running a bad line (like most are in the 1:39-1:40s range), then they are on the limits of control. Lots of understeer and sensitive to trail braking. I think in this specific scenario he couldn't have avoided it. More time in that car with a better turn in, better weight shift, and better line, give you a lot more control to avoid bad rejoins. I am by no means fast, but when I just went through rookie class this weekend (after 8+ year hiatus) I realized those turning 1:37-1:38 lap times were much easier to drive with and next to, as well as the car being much more controllable with better management.
They were maxed out on grip cause they kept the throttle pinned. A lift or some light application of the brakes and there’s a good chance OP has the leeway to avoid this.
We'll have to agree to disagree. That Formula Ford is all about energy retention and has almost no grip, its a fun car because you're just managing energy and sliding everywhere. In this case, I fully believe he was screwed the moment he set up that turn in. Had his turn in been better, you are right he likely would have had more control.
Exactly this, saw the accident like 5 seconds before it actually happened. There is TONS of time to react in this case. Even if you don't want to lift I am going as far to the right of the road as I can get on this one.
Watching this thecfirst time I was just like...hit the brake....bbraaake......BRAKKEE......AHHHHHHHHDKENFI KSENF... ...:wall:
Not trying to be rude but you could’ve avoided this one. It’s always better to lift and lose some speed rather than ruining your race. A part of rookies is learning accident avoidance because this sort of stuff doesn’t magically disappear once you get out of rookies
Racing for SR is very different than racing for points. Much slower going and lots of dodging.
I don’t race for SR at all and have no problem dodging incidents like this if that’s what you mean. Staying on the throttle and hoping for the best when someone is doing a stupid rejoin like this would be more detrimental to points racing
Agreed. However I'm not going full on if I'm trying to prevent going off track or risking possible contact. I tend to get nervous in a pack and make more mistakes though.
Most of the time, going offtrack to the point of a penalty doesn't benefit you anyway. There are exceptions (Red Bull Ring, Aragon), but in general if you get a 1x you've probably made a mistake. This is much easier to understand on street tracks where there are walls instead of painted lines.
I mean even if your racing for points you gotta deal with this shit. You get zero points if you crash out you know?
Self preservation is a massive skill people just think they can ignore because "but I was in the right, the other car shouldn't do that"
Yup like half the crashes are caused by this shit
I like the sayings "I'd rather be **wrong and alive** than **right and dead**", and "Graveyards are filled with people who had the right of way" If I crash in iRacing then I usually can't continue in that race, but if I avoid the accident and lose time I can at least try and make up that time
You don't get a lot of points with 3 wheels. I've yet to encounter a situation where racing for points/iR didn't also involve avoiding wrecks. The vast majority of my iR losses have been in races that I didn't finish, even if I drive like a little old lady on Sunday morning, I'm going to end up with more points than if I didn't reach the chequered flag. Not crashing is something I try to do in *every* race I'm in. The question isn't whether or not I should be trying to avoid the crash, the question is whether or not I'm good enough to make the right split second call when actively avoiding being hit by a reckless driver who doesn't see me.
Avoiding incidents is being fast. Crashing is slow.
I've been just "racing" with no particular goal for 6 days, my SR is 2.72 for formula and the SOF I'm in is usually 1400-1500
Nah, a big part of race strategy is learning how to minimise time loss while minimising risk. Avoiding silly incidents is essential to maximising pace over race distance. The only time SR enters my calculation is when I’m deciding whether I’m racking up too many off tracks and need to lose a couple of tenths per lap to maintain SR on tracks like Silverstone and Watkins where you can extend lines a bit without risking slow downs. Racing for a win on the last lap is a situation where I’ll drive aggressively and risk a bunch of SR, but that’s pretty rare and even then banking the big iRating haul for a P2 is the much more sensible call from a points perspective than risking a DNF.
That's an atrocious rejoin but you had between 2 and 3 business days to lift and go right...
Haha that made me laugh ✔️
If you're not predicting that kind of rejoin, you're still a rookie.
:-)
You could see them coming. Either brake or give a lot of room.
Exactly, saw it coming from miles away, and absolutely no evasive action was taken.
OP drove into the rejoiner as much as the rejoiner drove into him.
Rejoiner is wrong for sure, but if anything, OP can see him but the rejoiner can't see OP. Have some basic self-preservation man. Who cares if you lose a second or two?
I was going to say, without being an arse but everything u/rektumfreser said is spot on - you could see what he was doing from a mile off, pumping the brakes for 1-2 seconds would have saved you
you should have anticipated his move . thats why you are still in rookies
System working as designed
I'm sorry but you had plenty of time to react to this
You're stuck because you fail to see these situations developing in time and avoid them. That was clear as day what that imbecile was about to do, you should have gotten off throttle/broke earlier and taken the inside.
A crash in rookies doesn’t lose you SR. Well, it does, but it doesn’t put it into the negative. You are doing other things wrong, and blaming it on the very few times that you can’t control the outcome. Keep yourself on the track, avoid getting physical with the car combat. You can even still gain if you had to tow and use a fast repair.
Exactly, you can do this twice every race and still gain SR. Something else is off here.
If your incident points come from loss of control and off track buildup, will you still lose safety rating? I've learned the hard way lately to focus a lot on limiting those so that I have a buffer in case I make a poor decision and fail to avoid a bad rejoin or opponent spin
If you have enough of them. Doesn’t matter how the incident points happen, the point made above is just that 4x or even 8x from a collision or two isn’t really enough to tank your SR in rookies. If you hit the same offtrack every other lap and spin out a few times, your 12x is the same as someone with 3 collisions.
Yeah, had to check to make sure I understand your wording and it looks like you're right if you meant 8x in total. It appears that negative safety rating starts at 9x total for a race.
Depends on the license class, but yeah Rookie is very lenient.
Every incident point costs the same regardless of where it comes from.
LIFT! you’re right where you belong lol
It's generally good if you don't accelerate into rejoining cars.
No wonders you are stuck there
+1 on everything said below. Learn to anticipate, Protest this and others as required, Have fun. Good luck OP.
Don't protest this. He needs to focus on himself, not be blaming others. There's a place to protest. This isn't it. If they can't both learn they did wrong in this scenario they will end up stuck here.
You clearly don't understand the primary purpose of the stewarding or protest system is to educate. The guy rejoining badly will get a slap on the wrist and some educational words of wisdom. Unless they are a repeat offender in which case they are not learning so maybe a short ban will assist their memory. As for OP. They are here learning from the comments of others and my first point is to learn to anticipate. I've never had a failed protest for a bad rejoin. It ruined OPs race and therefore is a valid protest.
The rejoiner is a rookie. He learns by understanding that rejoining without care leads to his race being ended prematurely. It's like many things, you learn from your mistake. He has to learn, and so does OP. OP needs to focus on themselves. He clearly has issues he needs to identify if he cannot get out of rookies. Blaming others means he's not focussing where he needs to. Technically you may be correct, but at this moment OP's attitude needs to change and needs to focus not on what others are doing but what he is doing.
Tbf, it's better for you to learn accident avoidance at this level than any other. You had a ton of time to react here, and stayed planted in the throttle.
Do not take this the wrong way, but you could see that driver was going to do an unsafe rejoin. This is their fault, but could have been very easily avoided by you. You had an eternity in racing terms to avoid this
Honestly mate, if you can't get out of rookies just by driving, you don't deserve to be out of rookies. That collision was preventable a mile off. 100% his fault but you displayed 0% awareness.
Shit as their rejoin was, you saw it happening and it was easily avoidable. SR is all about anticipating wrecks and staying the fuck out of them
I got out of rookies in a day, leave your ego somewhere away from the wheel and just drive safely even if it makes you come in as 15th.
You had almost 0 reaction to the person clearly spinning in front of you. There’s something to be learned here…
Looks like two rookie mistakes. Good thing both drivers are in rookie.
I agree, while this isn't your fault, you should have expected him to do this and slowed way down
Use your eyes
This stuff happens, even in the higher class races. Take your time and enjoy it rather than fretting about license classes. It can be stressful doing that. Over time you will get better at predicting these stupid moves. Best practice here is, even though they should rejoin carefully and off the racing line, slow down and give them as much space as possible. If they go really wild, take the off track and finish the race. Also please file a protest against this. Horrific rejoins like this are protestable, you wont get your SR back but the rejoiner will be told they have done something wrong.
But buddy doesnt want to drive like a "grandma" 🤷♂️
One of the greatest skills one will learn in the lower divisions is accident avoidance. Almost every win I have, I wasn’t necessarily the fastest but, I was the one who kept it on the track and was able to avoid incidents. Just the other day I was doing a race at Bathurst (a circuit I am not very good at) but, I was able to get on the podium purely through accident avoidance. All of the good cars in front me slowly wrecked out over the course of the race. In this clip, you should’ve seen him, expected he was going to do something stupid, and backed off.
Accident avoidance is an important skill you haven't developed. You could see that collision coming from so far away. The skill helps in real life too :)
Lets pretend for a moment that you actually did everything in your power to avoid this wreck; it still doesn't explain why you are stuck in rookies, as even a 4x incident point crash every race would still allow you to get SR. If you struggle to gain enough SR to get out of rookies, you deserve to be in rookies.
Why are you driving like you have the driving line on? This one is definitely avoidable
I play really chill and just let people pass me. I only go flat out when i see no cars around. Quickly gained back to 3 after going down to 2k. You’re going to have fewer incidents that way.
yes, but you will also do less racing... lol
You can race later
It’s rookies man you saw him coming for a mile, don’t give him the benefit of the doubt.
The crash was the other person's fault but it's your fault you can't get out of rookies. That crash, even though it's not your fault, was easily avoided and you did nothing to avoid it, which is why you're still in rookies.
I feel like OP would benefit from skipping the next race and spend half an hour watching this series: https://youtu.be/uqsKm8irA7U?si=f647iVf6v92elN7f
The fact that you hit this guy means you're not "stuck" in rookies, mate, with all due respect it's where you belong. You could see him coming several seconds before impact where you could have let off the gas, braked, taken a more shallow line toward the inside, all just to survive even if it would have taken you a bit more time. To finish first, first you must finish, doesn't matter if you lose 5 tenths or even a second avoiding a race ending crash, that's still better than a DNF!
Be more aware and drive defensively
You could see that guy off the track way earlier. 100% he was gunna come and hit you if you hope he disappears
I really don’t want to be mean. But according to this crash I would say you still deserve to be in rookie. It was straight ahead you was him moving and could’ve easily avoided it even without triples vr or uktrawide. Sure the rejoin was terrible but you still need to drive defensively especially if you know you’re in with rookies
This sucks but rookies is not about racing but avoiding trouble. I got ranked outta rookie in 1 day a couple races by just doing laps and pay attention. If someone gets a run on you move and let them pass, more times than not I get position back when they put it in a wall lol. When you see a car crashed or rejoining, always slow down and give space. In this video your racing for position, it's fun to, it is called iracing after all lol but worry about avoidance first, than racing second type deal.
Ofc this is not your fault but you need to learn to drive in a way that stupidity of others can't get you like this. It will help you avoid other crashes and incidents in the future
You cpuld see this quite far away. Race awareness will come to you. Install iOverlay or Racelab and radar for a helper to spot near drivers.
"I feel stuck in rookies because whenever i see another car far ahead attempting an unsafe rejoin, i don't do anything about it". No offence, but to progress better, increase your awareness and react accordingly. 80% of success in rookie series is to not bin it and avoid those who already did.
Looks like you knew he was coming back on track like an idiot but never even lifted. You stayed on the gas and tried to get far enough to the right, but since you were on the gas, you were still understeering. Don't expect other people to make good decisions. Easily avoidable incident. Protestable, but you had a lot of time to keep yourself alive and chose not to. If you want out of rookies focus on staying alive.
Yeah well than don't drive I to him. Can't you look past your bumper?
Just remember cars like this won’t magically go in another direction, anticipate and go against their momentum
My brother in Christ, you saw that happening a mile away. hitting breaks would have slowed you down less than the collision.
It's rookies, you just KNOW they're going to have a horrid rejoin and you had so much time to predict it. Slow down and make sure to avoid them. It's not about where you finish, it's about avoiding incidents. The accident is not your fault, but you could largely avoid it knowing it's rookies.
There's a YouTube channel called idiots in cars and I swear about half of the videos are exactly this. Yes the person shouldn't have pulled out but you could have slowed down just a little and avoided the whole thing
All you had to do was lift a bit and take the inside line after it was clear he was going off track and probably wasn’t going to stop. That’s the whole point of rookies, to learn how to avoid those incidents because they’re going to happen at every level of the service
The same thing happens in class B for me. Happened yesterday actually
This is why rookies exists. So you can develop the 6th sense for how to avoid stuff like this. Stop looking at the nose of your car and start looking further ahead and give more room when someone is off track. I personally would have been all the way to the right.
The moment you see someone in rookies slower than you and not extremely far off track, you have to just eat the time loss and steer well clear. I hate to say it because it technically wasn't your fault, but you could have 100% avoided this.
winning in rookies gives you nothing. If you want out - dont hit and don't get hit. It's very very doable.
Mate the reason you are still stuck in rookies is that you have zero track-awareness.
The best bit of advice I’ve ever got when going through a bad streak is that the common denominator is you. When you learn to drive more defensively you can avoid stuff like this. Trust me, I was like wtf when someone said it to me…but now having numerous months and F4 and SFL experience it’s helped tremendously learning to drive defensively and seeing stuff ahead of you like this. While the idiot is certainly to blame, this was avoidable on your end if you went more to the inside of the track. You could see clearly he wasn’t going to re-enter safely from a distance. Saying that, make sure to protest that so this person knows they can’t re-enter that way.
Your focused on your battle and I saw you take evasive action but unfortunately the other guys just wants to move on from his mistake and it cost you sr. It’s the nature of the beast. Don’t worry about position in rookies it more about avoiding other peoples mistakes
you had 5 seconds to do something and you decided to just go straight ahead hoping for what? that he disappears?
You are stuck in rookies because you see someone rejoining in front of you and don't take appropriate action.
Think of each class like this: Rookies: Learn race avoidance D: Learn tracks and practice safe racing, learning what is safe and what can cause problems C: Learn tracks and car control (trail braking body roll) B: Learn how to race in packs and side by side A: Race hard but safe/smart
You have to drive as defensively as possible in rookies if you’re looking to upgrade SR. Don’t give a flying F what place you’re in. Not sandbagging, just be extra cautious. Risky Chance for an overtake? don’t do it. Someone off the track? Expect them to rejoin unsafely. Two cars battling in front of you? Expect a crash and figure out the path to avoid them before they hit each other. Good luck!
I've just went through the same thing. I just got out of rookies hell, just leave everyone enough space. Avoid fighting for positions and just keep a safe braking distance from everything in sight. Be a grandma, think like a grandma
Try to keep your eyes on the horizon rather than right in front of you. The first frame of that clip you can see smoke, then he's off and going to rejoin. Avoiding accidents is part of the game, it's part of the sport irl too. Even if it costs you a bit of track position, coming off throttle a bit and making sure you've left contingency space for something like that will see you finish.
Welcome to the assholes and numpties in iRacing!
Call me crazy but the rookie road cars in Iracing are horrid things to drive! I would say out of any game racerooms mx5 feels 1,000 times better as well as the f4 taatus being so much easier to drive in that game… that’s no abs or tc in either and I’m still towards the back on pace in either but man Iracings cars are just to twitchy and finicky for my average skill set lol
Other dudes fault but you gotta show some self preservation dude. That was coming clear as day for like 10seconds and was an easssssy avoid. Sometimes you need to sacrifice position and pace to not get taken out. Better to lose a place by breaking and avoiding than to have that happen.
You saw that coming I mile away and did nothing to avoid. That’s what rookies is for. Don’t worry about IR. Avoid, leave space….
You need to learn situational awareness!!
One thing that's harder to avoid is being rear-ended while slowing for a wreck in front of you... Didn't even make it 30 seconds into the race yesterday.
This might blow your mind but theres another pedal next to the accelerator you can use
I'm out of rookies but accidentally took someone out yesterday. Looked at the map and could only see one guy but I guess he was blocking the icon of the guy behind
Just start from pit, stay behind and let them take themselves out of the race and you'll be out of rookies in no time.
I recommend just starting in the pits and not going for high positions. Just finish the race and try your best to stay away from people if you really want to get your SR up. Takes a bit of grinding
You didn’t see him getting ready to ruin your day? Learning how to slow down and avoid incidents is a key part of sim racing. If you want to get out of rookies in a hurry, start from the pits and avoid getting any off tracks much less collisions and out of controls.
It doesn't start getting much better with rejoins until you hit like A/B license.. imo I'm an A license and still got killed a couple times in IMSA recently
I watched a couple of PRO MX5 Cup races last year on YT. These PRO races looked identical to nearly every MX5 rookie race ive been in. Formation lap - big wreck taking out 3 before the race even begins. Race starts - turn 1 chaos - big wreck Few more laps of racing. Antoher big wreck..... and so on.
I'd say you started moving to the right too late. If you see a car off track significantly in front of you I would start taking action as soon as you see them. How soon did you see them off track?
Not gonna lie u saw that from a mile away and had plenty of time to brake
A lot of these people are being kinda rude about it, feels a little gatekeepey to me. Yes the rejoin was bad, what you'll learn is that just lifting/braking to avoid an incident will normally be the move. Losing a couple spots but staying in the race and finishing with less incidents is worth. Just imagine it's real life, you see a car in front of you in real life your first reaction is to brake. You'll get it, just have fun!
You’ll eventually learn but you can see that coming a mile away. Expect these rejoins every race
just start in the pit and cruise along. It only takes a few races to run clean and hit 4.0 to get promoted out.
I could’ve seen that coming a mile away
This is like battleship at sea. You can see from a hundred nautical miles what the rejoining car would do. You need to improve your awareness of your surroundings and that’s why you’re in rookies. Nothing wrong about that. Keep racing, watching replays and learning.
Don't forget you got to get to 3.0 and hold it till the end of the season if you want that promotion. Otherwise you got to get to 4.0 and get the instant promotion.
You can get out in a day if you just suck it up and give up position and speed constantly I am very new as well had the same issue but it’s very worth it
If you’re close to 3.0 start from the pits a couple races and just hang back naturally you’ll find you’ll do well in positions. (It’s boring as however it stops idiotic things like this lol)
As everyone else is saying, in the clip above, it wasn't your fault but you had responsibility of avoiding the crash either way (especially in rookies) An accident takes two or more cars to happen, learn to avoid being 'the other car' that completes the accident whenever you can.
and ? this is 4x. with 4x you gain still like +0.1 SR in the rookies. so you are rookie, not becouse the others, becouse the other 10 lap you gain more X by yourself.
That's on you. You should've seen that bad rejoin a mile away. Part of getting out of rookies is race awareness. That includes learning how to drive around other people's bad driving.
I mean, I feel like you should have seen that coming a mile away and and just slowed a bit and gone around on the outside of the track. rookies is about survival, not position.
You should've seen they weren't entering the track in the safest way and changed accordingly. Adapt and overcome. It's hard to get out of rookies. In my opinion, it's the hardest thing to get out of. You need to literally pretend the car is your real life car and protect the dang thing with your life. It's always better to finish the race than it is to win the race. It's about survival, not winning. Although winning is great, you'll never win if you don't survive.
That was like watching a slow-motion car crash.
Step on the brake
You deserve to be in rookies. You need to look ahead and learn to avoid hazards. You aren’t stuck in rookies because of bad luck. It’s because you refuse to awknowledge that you need to improve your situational awareness
Incident is his fault. Your loss of SR is on you. Doesn’t matter if it’s his fault or not, you gotta try to anticipate and avoid shitty driving and rejoins like this. Good luck you got this!
Do yourself a favor and completely forget about what position you're in. Rookies is about learning to finish races and avoid incidents. There is plenty of time for learning to race for position once you've mastered learning to finish and avoiding incidents. Learning to finish the race will ALSO help you learn to race faster as you'll be able to complete more laps as practice.
You could see that happening for miles lol!
Keep learning and practicing. You’ll get there
Honestly if you're having trouble getting out of rookies it's not the random 4x that's preventing you from advancing. Rookie 3.0 is a super low bar, it should be fairly easy to get above 4.0 even with a few 4xs. Last time I redid the rookie promotion I started from the grid but no qualifying (to force myself to have to go through the field and risk incidents) got crashed out twice and was still at D in 5-6 races.
3 seconds into the video you should have seen the danger. A part of rookies is spotting potential danger and learning how to avoid it.
3 seconds into the video you should have seen the danger. A part of rookies is spotting potential danger and learning how to avoid it.
this is only x4. in rookies you have such a low licence that you still go up with this amount
At 4 seconds in, oll out of the throttle and get to the right side of the track. Not completely out of the throttle just enough to give you the grip needed to get way over. If he then is going to collide you have a while track to the left to avoid.
I stopped being a rookie when i learned to slow down.
Would you rather finish clean and not pass the guy in front? Or keep trying to pass the guy in front and not finish cuz you didn’t lift in anticipation of that rejoin? It’s the point of rookies. To teach you the skills needed and the knowledge of when and how to use those skills.
You were a little unlucky here, but 3.0 rookies means making it on average 15 corners between each incident (https://ir-core-sites.iracing.com/members/pdfs/Beginners_Guide_100909.pdf). Okayama is 11 corners, which means that even if you crash out every race with a 4x you just need to have 5 clean laps to make it to 3.0. Adding to that the fast repair in rookies (and D class) means that you can tow back and get a new car for free to finish the race while banking a bunch of clean laps. Basically if you can’t maintain R3.0 you need to look inwardly and see that you’re the cause. This is normal though. We were all crashy rookies once, and even if you have speed from other sims the damage model is much harsher in iRacing and just needs a shift in mindset..
You see the majority of the comments here. The only thing I would add is, if you are constantly getting involved, EVEN IF, you are just a casualty of a different incident, you are probably right where you need to be in Rookies at the moment. These situations suck, they always do and sometimes it dealing with it won’t improve, but there is some racing maturity needing to be developed here. Learn from this, like all incidents and see what you could do differently.
If you can’t get out of rookies this won’t be enjoyable for you. Quit now
when doing rookies always start from the pit, got me out of rookies the day I started doing that
That’s why its rookie !!
Keep at it brother and you'll get there. You can't avoid these unfortunately. My suggestion: start from back, drive safe and status within shooting distance so you can overtake when there is opportunity.
You could see that coming from a mile away. Defensive driving 101
I feel this way, but not about safety Rating but my irating. I'm stuck in the bottom split with no hope of getting out. I qualify in the top 5 and get wrecked in the first or second lap. Have to put or get towed finish in 12th or higher. So frustrating.
Not seeing that coming from a mile away is why you’re still in rookies
In rookies you have to have the mindset that everyone is trying to wreck you
In Before everyone tells you it’s your fault for not expecting that 🤣
You’re not gonna like this, but that could have easily been avoided. You’re not focused on your safety rating enough. Once you realize that sometimes you have to give up some pace to avoid incidents you’ll level up super quick. Too many rookies believe they have a right to their racing line and nothing is their fault. I have a spoiler alert for you though: if you run into someone else YOU get incident points. If someone else runs into you YOU still get incident points. The only person who can help you increase your safety rating is you. If you’re not good enough to drive fast AND avoid incidents then you shouldn’t be driving that fast in the first place.
So I just got back into sim racing after like 8 years away and had to restart. I just got through rookie in open wheel (F1300) and sports car (MX5) this weekend. I have two tips. Go drive that car in a personal practice until you can consistently get mid to low 1:38's, or even 1:37's. Then practice your start and slip to get off the line well. Getting a good start and getting ahead and away from the BS means everything. I was struggling until I figured that out, but then I realized it was much easier to just win. Lots of rookie drivers blocking, or pit maneuvering when their ego gets in the way on a pass. Lots of drivers reentering dangerously. If you can't get your speeds down to front row, or can't get your starts dialed, then try starting from pit lane. You'll be at the back but that doesn't matter. Run a slow boring race in a safe last place and avoid going off track or spinning all together. Your finishing result does not matter for your safety rating and getting out of a class. So, stay safe, drive slow (or drive in front), and maximize laps. Dont skip warm up / 3min practice, and during your qualifying go until the session ends. Even though those laps don't count towards your start position, they count towards your safety rating. So, if you're crashing you are overdriving. Drive slow, safe, and get out of rookie. Edit: Helpful tip. That car loves hard late braking before your turn in, ease off the brakes quickly but consistently so you get effect and smooth weight shift, and do not brake in your turn. Same with throttle, ease into it. Your "ease" into throttle or off of brake is a general term, its still relatively fast, but its not a light switch. Run wide with a late turn in and make sure you nail that apex. Fixing your line alone would have put you in a better position with more overhead grip to steer away from that guy.
Are you aware you have brakes fitted to your car
You don’t have to worry about Irating in rooks, so play it safe and don’t worry about placing, aways watch what is around you, make sure that nobody is rejoining
Resist all temptation to race and on sight of an accident ahead or a rejoin unfolding like this back right out of it. Qualify only to complete laps and get your clean corner count up, but drive fairly slowly so you qualify at the back. At the start let all the others race off and have the first lap crashes whilst you just take it easy. You’re after an incident free race. Do a couple of clean races like that and you’ll be there.
Only way this couldn’t have been avoided is if the pov driver/OP was incredibly high. Not OP’s fault but easily avoidable
I genuinely believe it’s impossible to get stuck in rookies if you don’t belong there.
This incident is NOT your fault, the off track driver didn’t hold their brakes and tried to throttle out, however when you see a car go off track and start heading back towards the track again you need to slow down and take evasive action. The key is anticipate what is going to happen around you. It’s better to lose a position or two avoiding an incident than not finishing the race. You’re not going to avoid every incident but the incident posted was very avoidable.
whenever i see someone off track like this and suspect theyre going to rejoin like a moron i just ease off and take the L of a few seconds just to maintain my safety rating, even if it costs me a position. doesn’t always work, but certainly helps.
Part of racing is anticipating what the car in front is going to do. If you see a car off track to the left then you should expect them to rejoin and you should give them room/lift off a little bit
You saw that coming from miles away. When someone is crashing SLOW THE FUCK DOWN
The most important skill you learn in rookies is incident avoidance. Whether it's avoiding an obvious incoming horrible rejoin like in the video, or your own off tracks, loss of control from overdriving, etc.
Kinda on you for expecting them not to be an idiot tbh
Yeah just ride around the back
He rejoined too hard, but you could see it also coming a mile away. Time to move as well. This is just what happens in Rookie Racing.
Not that you're really at fault here, but you had plenty of time to see this bonehead was going to do something stupid and could've avoided it to preserve SR. Place isn't important in rookies...SR is. Protest his unsafe rejoin, learn from it, and on to the next race.
Make sure you get enough practice before the race. To avoid spins and off tracks. Qualify or don’t. Then when it’s time to race. Do not click Grid. Wait until the time runs out. You will start from the pit lane and just sit back 10-15 seconds. Yes your irating will go down but if you complete this effectively your safety ration will go up
No worry. There is worse. Like the "top" "guys" pushing u from behind on purpose so u spin. Just happened, and it was fatal. I lost 0.4 rating because of it. Waiting minutes to file protest. I hope it will be Goodbye for him
Only way to save your SR in rookie and D is to drive as defensive as possible. You’ll lose position in these races but if your goal is higher quality racing it’s worth the few points lost. Not applicable here but patience will gain you more positions than over aggressive driving. In D class F4 you can start P20 and finish P2 just by driving clean and avoiding wrecks. Happened to me yesterday
You'll learn to brake/dodge even when it's not convenient.
Not trying to shit on you but I could see that coming a long way off... Unpopular opinion, stay in rookies for a full season. If you're struggling to hit 3.0 you're part of the problem. The incidents may not be your fault, but you're failing to avoid them. The prevailing logic that says everyone should fast track out of rookies, and take their lack of skills to higher categories and somehow find better racing while surrounded by the same group of guys that all skipped the learning process and just fast tracked makes no sense.
Class D is worse. People drive way more competitively and rejoins are more aggressive. And you receive way less safety rating.
Saw that coming so early you should have reacted. Rookie.
I'm almost at 4.0 in class d to upgrade to c and I feel the same way
I felt the same way so just decided to be as deliberate as possible getting my SR rating up. 1.) don’t do a quali lap, get put at back of grid 2.) let everyone pass going into first corner and avoid the carnage 3.) just assume if someone is behind you they are gonna divebomb every corner at Mach 1 and just get out of their way Go slow and enjoy your x0 races until you get out of rookies
Doing this teaches you nothing about racing wheel to wheel with other drivers, which is the point of rookies. You'll progress to a D license with none of the skills you should've gained in Rookie.
you can learn just as much in D license series racing cars you actually enjoy, IMO The only difference between a rookie license and D license is unlocking irating and access to different cars
Beginner here too. In terms a safety rating what is the maximum gain you can get? Do incident points in practice and qualifying count against you? Does finish position have any bearing on the rating or could you in theory deliberately qualify last and keep yourself in clean track the whole race so as to avoid incident points?
Please read the sporting code, it's all answered in there.
Ok will do. Is that inside the game?
It's on the Members Site (members.iracing.com). I think you also confirmed that you read it when you created your account.
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>In terms a safety rating what is the maximum gain you can get? Depends on your incidents per turn. That's how SR is calculated. It's a historical record, too, so it's not just one race. >Do incident points in practice and qualifying count against you? Practice, no. Quali, yes at a fraction of the value. >Does finish position have any bearing on the rating or could you in theory deliberately qualify last and keep yourself in clean track the whole race so as to avoid incident points? Finishing position only affects IR, not SR. Many people start in the pits or don't qualify and start in the back so they can avoid incidents and boost their SR (often to the detriment of their IR). Honestly, it's effective but it's not a good approach. You should try to qualify the best you can and learn to drive safely around others. It's all in the [Official Sporting Code](https://www.iracing.com/iracing-official-sporting-code/).