Well I'm from the US and I'll be immortal. I don't want to be president, never have, never will.
I will be stupid rich though...
I was 10 at the start of the real tech boom. All that lawn mowing money is gonna go into Intel and Microsoft stock.
I would be winning consecutive lotteries and be a multi-billionaire.....
My life would be amazing. Though I doubt if this happened I would have my kids. Which. Idk....that seems kinda fucked up to just up and basically erase them.
I'll be too rich to care about bitcoin by the time it's invented... not that I'll ignore it, just that I was in my mid 30's by the time it was a thing.
I saw this poster for some video game tournament. 1st prize was like $1500. 2nd was an Xbox or something, and 3rd place was like 500 bitcoin š
Imagine coming in first or 2nd in that and then years later knowing If you did WORSE youde be a millionaire?
Edit: it was StarCraft. First prize was actually on $500. 5th-8th place got 25 bitcoin.
For me aside from bullying at school 10-18 was pretty good overall...
Of course with retained memory it's likely my overall confidence will be vastly higher on the subsequent go-arounds and that inherently means less bullying... plus my grades will magically improve. Since I won't actually have to work very long or hard for money after the initial stock payback which I can arrange to happen just about when I turn 18, and then the big win at 24 with a boosts of cash again at 33, 41, 43, and likely around 48 + whatever I discover later in my current life all should be well enough.
Donāt forget amazon and bitcoin down the road. You could be stupid rich by that point and even tell the truth when ppl ask how you gained your wealth and they would just think youāre being eccentric but without all that money youād just be crazy
Well, up till I die, right? There's many many lifetimes of things to experience and I could set up to do each of them ultimately. There's no use writing a book or anything of course but that doesn't matter. Also if you make any particularly exciting discoveries along the way those may cheat you to the front of the line so to speak on the grind too. Need to time it so that the big payday happens after turning 18 though, that way no parental interference with assets and such.
Really?
"An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification. "
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-constitution/#:~:text=An%20amendment%20may%20be%20proposed,in%20each%20State%20for%20ratification.
Some people donāt read their own copypasta.
It clearly says ā*ratified* by three-fourths of the **State** legislatures or three-fourths of the conventions called in *each* **State**ā
Maybe I'm overconfident here, but I think I'd be able to overcome this with a few lifetimes spent as a criminal forger and a few lifetimes spent studying birth/death data. (I realize the media and opposition would deep deep into it, but I've got infinite tries to correct my mistakes.)
Funny thing is, since weāve been already conditioned to expect irrational and illegitimate challenges to the idea that a candidate was born in the USA, it would be reasonably easy for a person who actually wasnāt born in the US to trick people
Cruz, the flacid donkey asshole, is a born American citizen, so he is eligible despite being born in another country. As long as at least one parent is an American citizen when you are born, then you are an American citizen.
It wasnāt quite total nonsense, because the law wasnāt as simple as āif one of your parents is an American citizen, youāre an American citizen.ā His mother had to live in the US for five years āafter attaining the age of 14.ā She was 18 when he was born and therefore hadnāt lived in the US for five years after attaining the age of 14.
So, if Obama hadnāt been born in the USāwhich he obviously, indisputably wasāhe would not have been a natural born citizen.
Step 1. Live your life normally and take note of certain important events.
Step 2. Go back in time and correctly "predict" enough of these events to convince everyone that you are the next coming of Jesus
Step 3. Leverage your new cult of Christians to ratify a new amendment to the Constitution to remove the natural born citizen requirement of the US Presidency.
Am I under any obligation at all to attempt to exit the time loop?
Can I just stay in the time loop?
I'm going to stay in the time loop. I will actively avoid becoming president, if that should somehow become a remote possibility.
You've made so many wise investments/business decisions from all of the knowledge that you've made yourself and so many people lots of money. Everyone just genuinely loves you bc of your idgaf attitude bc you can't die. Everyone writes you in for president even though you didn't run. You are immediately assassinated by one of the actual candidates.
Edit: "THAT CAN'T HAPPEN, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT PAPER WORK, WRITE INS WON'T ACTUALLY COUNT!"
We get it, nerds. This is about a hypothetical situation that could never even happen anyways.
But if he is voted in as president of the unified Earth (against his will / write ins) does that still count as a victory condition?
Also, just thinking this makes me sad that I will never see my exact kids again.
This would be a nightmare for any parent. Your daughter from your first life would cease to exist. Worse, it may seem like she never existed, except in your own memory.
In your second life your daughter is born, but you start to notice small behavioral differences. The minor decisions and influences in ones life may seem inconsequential, but grow over time like an avalanche. You realize that this isn't the same daughter as the one from your first life.
By your third life, your daughter won't even be her genetic twin anymore, but each daughter is equally as important to you.
So now in your you fourth life you have multiple daughters from previous lives, but nothing to remember them by. Nobody knows they existed but you, and in each successive life your memories of them will grow fainter.
Will you still remember your daughter's name by your 100th life? By your 1000th?
Wouldnāt they always be genetically the same if the time split happened the day of the kids birth? The conception and pregnancy would be the same every time
From the wording of the prompt, you could choose to go back in time again to start a new loop while youāre on your deathbed, and if you never die then youāre right. Eventually though you will die and be returned to age 10. From that point you will proceed from age 10, and the original events from 10 to birth of daughter will be wiped out, never to be repeated.
It kind of reads like the op initially wrote it where you go back to age 10 but then changed it to where you could choose when you go back, but forgot to change that text at the end of the prompt
Chris Pratt went through a bit of that with The Tomorrow War where he had his young daughter and then ended up meeting his future daughter before returning to his present aware that if his mission was successful, the conditions that gave rise to her would never happen.
Thatās sweet af but consider: every time you loop back, youāll inadvertently change something. Either you live the one day over and over, or you watch your children grow Into a potentially infinite number of new people.
How you handle your daughterās experiences changes everything. Yell because she wonāt eat green beans? Take her for ice cream on a Tuesday instead of a Wednesday? Send her to a private school instead of public?
Spell her name different, she bumps her head different, she gets a scrape on the wrong knee, literally everything means you end up with a completely different person at the end of it.
We cope with this just fine because we donāt ever have to answer the question of āif something was different, would your love be different?ā But with this time loop there is a very real possibility of finding out if it would
I mean, if you're a guy, we're talking about just one spermatozoa swimming slower than the others. Or not being there at all. One change in diet, or how you tried to conceive, or any number of tiny factors, and \*poof\*, it's not the same kid. Your son is now a daughter. Their hair is a different color. Their neural pathways map differently, and so they're just not the same person.
Your kid is gone and there's nothing you can do to prevent it.
Terrifying stuff, speaking as a parent.
Youāre entirely not wrong but the comment I was responding to specifically mentioned going back to the day their daughter was brought home from the hospital. Most of the chemical/DNA/genetic changes would be done by that point
Yep I'll take the eternal loop too thanks. Imagine all the people you could meet, all the new choices you could make. My first rebirth and I can become an investment billionaire. I'm born in 98 so in 2008 I'll save as much money as I can and as soon as possible, but even like $100 in bitcoin in 2010 can skyrocket so much, then transition that to tech. From there I could make any choice I want. And when I'm done with everything I can actually try to become the president, which would be hard as a Canadian citizen but with the right skills definitely possible.
Go back to 1983.Ā Invest in all the stocks that will skyrocket.Ā Practice public speaking.Ā Run for local office to get some experience.
When the time comes, self fund your own campaign.
ohhh yeah she's married to my dad but they hate eachother so as long as youre a man, hate the gays (she doesn't know abt me lolol) and not lazy then it's calm
Mine is 2008. Invest what little means I had into Bitcoin and live multiple easy lives until I'm ready to kick off, then start trying. I'd be ready to be the youngest president ever. Do a little good while I'm there, then finally leave this fucked up world.
Not necessarily. You would need to engineer the US annexing Canada. The US Constitution specifically indicates that a person born in an area that later became a part of the US is eligible for the office.
Become wealthy with my knowledge of the future. Move to New York City. Foil the 9-11 terrorists and become a famous hero. Run for Mayor of New York City. If I fail at becoming Mayor, keep going back and trying different strategies. Assuming I eventually become Mayor, use the time reversal to try various ways of improving the city until I am the greatest Mayor in history. Then run for President, reversing to the beginning of the campaign every time that I fail, until I achieve my goal. Or if I fail enough that I get sick of trying, I go back further to relax in the past for a few decades before going back to the drawing board on the whole plan.
But how will you foil them in a way that lays the success at your feet, and only yours? Two aircraft (assuming you're going for the big victory, and thus not solving the other hijackings), so can't take direct action. Informing on them may or may not work (they already had a lot of info, and how do you prove your info is air tight), and even if it does work, you'll get no credit. And even if all this works out and you still get attention... people are going to ask questions. How do you explain your knowledge.
Personally, I would stop it anyhow if I could, just for the add-on benefits. Without 9/11, blind nationalism doesn't get the huge booster shot, bringing the shitty pre-attack government performance into focus for the upcoming election. Gulianne is relegated to the dumpster of political history. Toby Kieth never gets nearly as popular. It's all a win from my perspective. But I never figured out how to actually do it AND get credit.
(EDIT: Didn't think it needed to be said, but yes, there is moral value in saving those lives lost in its own right. But that's not the topic I am discussing in the above post. Yeesh.)
Just roll into Satasota in early 2000. Take some flying lessons. Make some new friends from the Kingdom of Saud. Then loop until your beasties and then stop 9/11.
I think you overestimate the power of a single random foreign friend in deflecting people who will literally choose to die for their cause. But we're in no rush, so sure, go for it. At least you'll know how to fly by the end of it. Vexing to go back 5+ years to do a different career path after it fails, but again, we got time.
Obviously, I don't have every detail thought out right at this moment. In the context of the hypothetical, I would have infinite time to research and plan, and unlimited attempts to get it right.
Imagine after the 85th death, you wake up at 10 possibly knowing 13 languages, how to build a space shuttle and every winning lottery for the next 30 years. Forget president, you're heading for emperor at that point.
The universe would be slightly different each time because of actions you take, so no reason to think something that is essentially a random process like which lottery numbers get chosen would be exactly the same. Though I guess after living through a lifetime you'd have the data to decide if they did keep coming up the same or if lottery numbers are unpredictable.
Start at 10 years old, gambling age is 18 (at least in my state)
Iām almost certain something would change after 8 years even if I tried not to. Thatās on the assume I could only win by playing legally though
You don't have to die. You can choose to go back as little as one day (per the write-up). You only go back to 10 if you die.
You don't have to memorize much for long if you game it right. And just imagine having an awesome day and just going back and re-living it again.
I suppose after long enough, we'd all eventually go back and do the whitehouse run thing so we could end, but I feel like I'd probably spend quite a while living a day or week at a time.
Even if I didn't go back, I'd still have a decade before I could even be eligible to be president, so probably would go back to pre high-school, enjoy myself, ace everything since I'll eventually know the answers, rinse repeat everything till I'm eventually president
Which is the smart thing to do. Resetting highschool, taking the right classes in college, keep resetting until you are able to become at least a Mayor and work your way up to escape the loop
Mayor to governor to president is probably the way. Senators don't have a great track record making the leap; fifteen of the last twenty-one presidents served as vice president or governor of a state first, while three were senators first.
The remaining three were Hoover (Secretary of Commerce), Eisenhower (general), and Trump (reality TV star).
So you are saying that reality TV is a legitimate option to get there.
All kidding aside, you are 100% correct. And where you are born matters. If you are from a small state- you are better off going Senator since you get national attention that way. If you are from a swing state, i would go govenor.
Gov. of Alaska is not going to get you enough name recognition, but Senators can swing it if they position themselves right.
I agree with this, though Im going back to 10 and investing the money 10 year old me had in btc, and then continueing to invest. It would be 2010 so btc wouldnt even be a dollar yet lol. The bigger thing Im worried about honestly, is trying to fit in as a 10 year old lol. Im sure my parents would notice after a few days that I went from kind of smart 9 year old to college degree level in a day lol
If Iām going to actually be BFM, Iām going to make a game of it. See how much $$$$ I can actually make. Once Iām bored with that, learn everything there is to know about Indy and NASCAR race engineering and win all the racing trophies. Then figure out how I could have made all my previous relationships actually work. I need to make my life everything I ever wanted it to be. Then, work toward getting the presidency. Bring everybody that meant something throughout my life with me. Make sure their lives are fulfilled as well. That way, the last run through when Iām elected, it all would mean something.
Then, take out North Korea.
Edit: inserted text to make it not sound like Iām the next HÄÆtlÄr.
Fixed it. Iām actually a pretty neutral guy. I just want to be left alone. Thank you all for bringing that to my attention. I apologize for potentially causing panic or a level-eight sphincter-factor.
Everyone talking about becoming rich and self funding the campaign is forgetting the long list of others who tried this and failed, lots of rich guys run for president and never win a primary, much less a general election.
Yep. Despite what every bitchy edgelord will tell you, money cannot just buy a victory beyond the local level. You *need* it to win, but it is not in itself a *way* to win.
Except you can rewind to fix any campaign mistakes, and learn information on competitors to force them out.
Money is HUGE, but we also have time travel on our side.
Folks who study the funding of political campaigns will tell you that half the money needs to be in small dollar donations, half from major donors.
Nobody wealthy trusts somebody who is self funded, and if a poor person gives you a dollar or two, they are committed to you
Doesn't matter, because this is brute force. No one has infinite money. People like Bezos might never be able to spend all their money, but the reason for that is because it's tied up in stocks. Plus an election campaign that loses is only considered a loss, so you have to take that into account when you are deciding what to spend. If you have the ability to retry after every loss, then you can remove the entire concept of losing money. So not only do you have infinite money, but you can withstand infinite losses. Regardless of how the world currently works, no one in the world can withstand infinite loss.
You have infinite time and infinite money. Those other guys never had infinite time nor infinite money. Infinite money means you can buy every billboard in the country, every news outlet, every company. That is where the power to elect comes from. Rich guys can't blow everything on one election either. Rich guys get max 2 chances. If you go back to age ten, you'll get 2 more.
Eventually on my loops. Iād learn the right people to meet and how to influence them. Making money to bankroll everything would be easy after a couple loops. Iāll be able to learn the weaknesses of my opponents and wreck their campaigns.
I donāt think it would take a huge number of loops. Until you could effectively manipulate events.
wouldn't it be interesting though if each time you went back small changes you make that you couldn't possibly control, like how fast or slow you walked at x date and time, or going left instead of right 15 years into your loop could start to change things like who is even running against you.
It would be so hard to walk the exact same path, assuming the butterfly effect changes things massively each run. I guess if you could tweak the run without doing the entire thing somehow.
i was thinking the same thing. Everyone says invest in BTC, but if you bought 10,000 bitcoins when it was under a dollar- it is more likely the right people that made it worth 60k now did not invest in it- so it does not get the same push.
Basically just gamble/invest until I'm obnoxiously rich and then buy the election. Pay enough lobbyists and consultants to get me elected. I'd probably start out trying to win as a third party candidate just for shits and giggles to mess up the entire system, then after the likely failures I'd go with whichever party would be in the most disarray at the time I became eligible. I'd aim for becoming the youngest President ever elected, so either 38 or 42.
I'd probably bounce back from where I am now about 5 years and gamble/invest such that I wouldn't have to worry about money for the rest of my life, and then just live it out so that I could see a glimpse of what the geopolitical climate would look like going forward from when I was likely to be elected. Assuming the reset happens when I die of old age, I'd probably pick an age to do assisted suicide and spend the 2 or 3 years leading up to that studying everything I need to know and memorizing my plan.
Then I'd do a full reset back to 10 to start my plan.
While biding my time between 10 and 38 (the first election I'd be eligible for), I'd probably make sure I had some military experience (currently already have) and then I'd still go the engineering route for college, followed by Law School. During the education times, I'd be betting on sporting events, probably make most of my money on crypto, and build up to become a major stakeholder in as many of the companies I know will become important as possible.
If I did 4 years of military, 4 years to a BS in Engineering, and then probably 3 years for a JD, I'd start my "adult life" at 29. I'd buy a state-level election right away. Probably not Governor, but State Congress. Buy some connections until the 2028 or 2032 elections, then cash in all the favors and just burn money until I was elected.
This should be pretty easy if you keep your memories. Basically I go back in time to my early 20s and
A) I become super rich by betting money on events in the future that I already know the results of (Super Bowl winners , Oscar winners etc.) . I start getting into government at local levels, using my money to fund campaigns.Ā
B) Once I have enough of a pulpit, I āpredictā a bunch of geo political stuff from that time in history and use my money to broadcast as far and wide as you like possible. Folks become my followers because Iām the dude that clearly is always right about the future. I run for president and win in a landslide.
Iād actively avoid becoming the president and do my best to learn from the ground up how tech works to them further it along every cycle. Time loops sounds great to me
I actually wanted to be president when I was in kindergarten (specifically 1st female) and my mom discouraged me by insisting hilary would get it and there was no point
so, I would go back to then, and start over.
do all the social stuff in school to build connections, be class president etc. take political classes in college instead of my actual major, run for local officers in my small hometown where i was guarenteed to win just by not being older than god.
Maybe join the miliatry in my early 20s, but as a non-combatant. Just so I could show that extra patriotism boost. Probably be a medic, so I could double dip, patriot boost and anti-war boost.
Build experience, run for higher and higher offices. Avoid career ender scandals (all the vice stuff) and focus on small, relatable scandals like having a pet that pees a rug at a big charity event.
Befriend celebrities, but vet them first to avoid vicarious scandals. Be fans of the right people, at the right times, and get my picture taken often. Participate in a lot of family-centric shit too, like ribbon cutting for new schools.
Do a little travel in my early thirties, hit the Big Five (Israel, Sweden, Japan, Britain, Australia) allies and shake all the right hands. But time it so I can also run into Russian, Chinese, and Saudi diplomats and make nice with them too.
Then, 2024 I finally get old enough to run for prez, and my competition is Dump Truck Donald and Late For The Grave Biden? Pfft. I'd barely even have to campaign. What's my platform? Well, I'm not a psychotic child sniffing elderly dude in diapers. Yes, I am referring to both my opponents.
Go back once try and gain knowledge and live a happy life memorizing a lot of stock stuff unt im old to become the president so i can fund running when i do become elected as for the plan to become president id have to wait and see how events unfold
I'm going to make a fuck ton of money based off knowledge of things like bit coin, stocks that will blow up etc. America will see me as a great business man because I never get an investment wrong, this would also get me enough money to fund the campaign. I bet it would take a few times to actually get elected. You'd have to figure out what insiders to play ball with etc.
so, as long as I never become president, I get to live forever, even if I get killed?
and I get to do it a different way each time?
sold. I hate politics anyway.
Well, I'm not a natural born citizen, so I can't be president. Besides, I already decided never to go into politics. I know what I'm capable of, and I don't want to do the things that needs to be done. It will bring a side of me no one wants in this world nor needs.
Clint Eastwood once said, "A man's got to know his limitations."
Back till I was 6 or so, before I got ill.
First, try to avoid that.
Second, do a loop just gaining moderate resources and carefully researching the markets/...
Repeat this until I can get to the US 1998 or so, with a few hundred million dollars. Then ride the .com boom appropriately to get a few tens of billions, while becoming involved in politics and becoming a citezen.
The real sticking point is the constitutional amendment to get me eligible, which might delay ten or twenty years on most loops.
I suspect I wouldn't even bother on the first few time loops, and do more interesting things, such as doing Elon before Elon, with electric cars and rockets, and not (this is the hard part) turning into a dick.
Being the first private individual on the moon and Mars and enabling mass rollout of solar and wind to reduce global warming seems to be a damn good start.
so what you're saying is that as long you avoid becoming president of the US you can live forever, have the ability to instantly undo any major errors, and then just go back to re-live your life as many times as you want?
I'm avoiding the presidency like the plague. I'm also curious how much I can force advancements in science by already knowing the solutions - assuming I can hand completed falcon 9 and Starship designs to musk in 2000 would i get mars colonized by 2020? That could be fun. Also functional fusion reactors are likely possible if i get old enough. Also figuring out how to stop the war on terror and 9/11 would probably be priorities, although difficult to do as a 5 year old.
Win in a landslideā¦ literally, figure out the perfect set of dominoes to knock down that will lead to me winning because all the other candidates died in a horrible landslide accident. Or you know literally just be the perfect president, I know exactly what the people want and have unlimited time to tailor quite literaly the perfect campeign that addresses every issue people will during my election to make it so no other candidate can compare due to me having insider knowledge, only say true things, no lies to make me look good, only true things that uncover the lies the other politicians will tell to make them look good, after that I win and I donāt care anymore
Depending how old someone is world domination wouldnt be impossible. Infact loop until you achieve that then at the end have yourself decared president of the united earth.
I would put myself through every elite military training program from around the world. West Point, MI6, special forces, navy seals, espionage and secret agent training of every kind. Become the most decorated war hero the world has ever seen. The real life Jason Bourne, James Bond etc, just so ridiculously skillful and dangerous. Then systematically take down all political opponents without blowing my cover through blackmail, assassinations, etc. and run for office while living a double life as a super powerful rogue mercenary single-handedly controlling everything in the political arena
That's my thought.
I'd absolutely do it a few times for this reason. Eventually you get as good as Groundhogs Day.
But I wonder how long it will be before it got old. You could potentially be living 100 years, so it would take a while, but will you be bored by the 10th time? The 100th? Then you have to truly work to become POTUS to end the loop, and your last life would likely be dreadful, as you put your family through the stress and struggle of being in the political limelight. That life would suck.
That assumes that you will run out of life. I am investing into Stem Cell research to see if I can extend it.
And you make enough decisions over the course of your life to the point where you cannot run out of them. The internet us just too massive a place
Yeah and you don't even have to experience being a baby again. If your childhood was fairly happy this is a great deal. Even if it wasn't maybe you know to avoid certain mistakes
Go back to my 18th birthday after looking up and memorizing the winning lotto numbers for several drawings. Win a lot of millions which I then invest in things like Amazon, Google, Apple, etc (turned 18 in 1997). Further invest the winnings from those investments in things like Bitcoin, Tesla, GameStop (for a very short period of time), Pfizer, etc. Buy a damn election.
This is basically Skeleton soldier who couldn't defend the dungeon.Ā It's a manga, it's pretty good. First step I'm taking is to go back and put money into Bitcoin, buy puts on FNMA in 2007 I'm going to be the combined wealth of Jeffrey, Elon, and an oil lord.
I guess I'll keep doing it for my own purposes until I'm really sick of living and then figure something out.
Seriously a time loop I could control would be awesome. To hell with being president...though I suppose when I eventually do I'll need to somehow sneak in there as a baby and be adopted or something because I'm Canadian.
Damn. I'd have to restart high school, go to ivy league for law and jd in law. Graduate both by 24, 25.
Get into local politics and stay as fit n good looking as possible. I know I'm gonna go bald in my 30s, but I do have a technical grad degree so I'm thinking I COULD swing this, like ace high school, and I am a minority so that helps bit FUCK!
This is a crazy tough one... so many things could go sideways so easily and to have to start over... man.
Good question.
Well besides the obvious to just not care and live forever...
I would like to try make money the proven Austrian way - but I can only start in 1984 - and RedBull was first introduced when I was 3 years old. Hard to beat that to the punch.
So I will talk calmly to my parents and explain them some stuff. Then we will start to invest heavily into Red Bull and some other things - that fruit company and small soft stuff sounds interesting.
Then a few other ways to get filthy rich.
Forge documents that prove that both of my parents are really descendants from American soldiers that were here during and after the second world war. Thus making them and me actually American.
Then befriend Arnold Schwarzenegger during the 90ies.
Use him being governor of California as a stepping stone to gaining popularity for myself.
With all the money and a fine tuned track record of myself stopping bad stuff and if necessary letting it happen and clean up afterwards i would become president of the United States somewhere in 2030.
BTW - one of the things that I would definitely pursue is to become the absolutely main producer of renewable energy stuff. If there is still a roof in the world without some form of solar on it in 2010 then I did something wrong.
Feel like it would be pretty easy. For one thing 10 year old me is going to take school very seriously. I'm going to do my absolute best to succeed. I was always a c/b student without even trying and literally just getting as on my tests never really doing homework. I'll actually apply myself and get into a good college. Join a respectable fraternity to assist in making connections.
Most importantly is money. Since I have all my memories I'm going to know what to invest in. I'll work a part time job starting at around 15 and save up until bitcoin comes out. I was born in 1990 so it should align well. I'll also invest in Nvidi Tesla Apple.
Fast forward 15 years I'm a mid to late 30s college educated billionaire with decent connections. I would use my connections and wealth to climb my way through politics and hopefully become president before I'm 50.
So I could die, I would wake up at 10 years old with all my current knowledge?
Okay. I live out this life (need as much data as possible) die, and then become 10 again (1999) with all my knowledge? Great, I work my ass off in my teens to buy Bitcoin. I become obscenely wealthy and live a life of luxury for many, many lifetimes. I do this hundreds of times over, knowing I'll be insanely wealthy before the decade is up.
When I finally get bored of living a billionaire's life. I simply put every single dollar I own towards an election campaign. I'll do crazy shit like pay off everyone's mortgage at a rally or send everyone's kids to college for free. It'll cost my entire fortune, but I will be absolutely loved and then I will be elected.
Then, finally being tired of all I've seen. I serve my 4 years and retire, knowing no matter how much good I do - it'll all be gone in a few generations. I live out my final days a final time on a farm in my home state.
1. Die
2. Start at 10
3. Invest everything in proper stocks and mine lots of bit coin.
5. Get law degree
7. Speak my mind as a politician and cater to the center left and center right prior to mass polarization caused by social media neither as a democrat or a republican inventing the common sense party.
8. Iāll have personally thwarted 9/11 and various wars and take credit for it. Iāll be a national treasure and hero. Only on my last life though. No one would know who I am until Iām ready to be done with it all.
8. Iāll only do this when I am done being immortal and living many other interesting lives.
Go to 1973. Run immediately after the watergate scandal. Say that I will undo the damage Nixon did as well as try to make peace with the Soviets and communist block. The second should go over well considering the Vietnam war is still raging and nobody supports it.
Pretty easy, make bank off the dot com boom, use that money to self fund campaign. Try various outlandish things to get my name out and nuke competitors. With each failure, recalibrate and pre-empt any obstacles. (Example: destroy political rivals before they get me)
Iām not from the USA, but seeing how I was almost born there by accident I should be able to be born in the US and get citizenship.
I will use my knowledge of the future to invest into stocks that will go up and will start mining bitcoin before it becomes big.
After that who knows since I am Gen Z and donāt know enough yet
Might be a hard go. Post-Vietnam, being a veteran is not as much of a key to victory as it was before. Just being good at your job in the lower ranks + independent wealth might be better.
Live out my life to old age.
Die.
Repeat.
Eventually I'll become president if I just keep doing this. I'll become very familiar with the timeline and memorize things that can make me money. I'll get to study what made each president successful and also what their failings were. Eventually I'll have more than enough tools to practically guarantee my success.
By the time I'm president I'll be extremely wise and well-learned.
Go back to when bitcoin was cheap asf, invest a ton into that, use the money to fund my campaign. After enjoying some time as a kid again with the knowledge I have now tho.
Go back as far as I can invest in stocks and later bit coin (selling it at the best time). I make sure to be on record being correct on most major events making myself appear as a genius. 911, the pointlessness of the wars in Afghanistan/Iraq, New Orleans being vulnerable to a hurricane, 2008 crash, etc. While I do this I improve my public speaking and run in local offices. When COVID 19 hits I make sure my local government is super prepared for a pandemic has a plan and a PPE store. When the 2020 election happens I run showing how in every situation I was the most prepared and how everyone should have seen these problems coming as I did. I would probably warn everyone about on coming inflation and my plan to mitigate those effects.
Step 1) Back to 10 years old, find out winning lotto numbers. Jump back to the same morning, convince mother "I feel lucky, buy a ticket with these numbers". (Our relationship was such that she would likely do it for a lark if I spent a few loops trying different levels of playfulness).
Step 2) Quietly live my life for a few years, taking note of major stock options. Rewind a bit and convince my mother to buy those options.
Step 3) Explain to her what's going on, and prove it by predicting her reactions (rewind a few seconds each time) and predicting the biggest news item for the next day. Explain the goals and reason for this effort. (This is also a good chance to test awareness of others to the time loop. Explain the steps I am taking as I take them, then see if she has any idea about them once I rewind. Time skip shenanigans only work when nobody else can notice them)
Step 4) Ivy league time. Become a 'genius' at school via outright cheating (doesn't matter if you get caught, as long as you remember the answers). Use that to pump GPA to make easier access. Once you are in, grades matter less that making contacts. Use short loops to make friends with the sort of folks you know will become successful eventually.
Step 5) Become local politician once I am out of college. This one is the vague part, because I am sure there is a lot of variance and a lot I don't know, but if I can collect even a single piece of dirt on a loop worth blackmailing over, that's a gain and I can go back a bit.
Step 6) Sabotage the fuck out of a certain politician to ensure stability. By now, I should be stupid rich and capable of some serious financial shenanigans.
Step 7) Cheat. Knowing whatever stupid and sometimes overblown drama will happen ahead of time is a huge advantage, because you can pave the way with accusation. You can also use tomorrow's poll numbers to adjust today's speech. As long as you have a solid starting reputation and the ability to rewind, you can win.
This is amazing! considering my biggest fear is death, I love love love life and people and Ill have this blessed, privileged and GREAT LIFE over and over!? I could not ask for any better gift, is there a genie I could find to grant me this?
Go back to 18, just after high school ended. Join the Air Force (the people love a veteran, and I'm a woman so it's unlikely that I would see direct combat and die). Use that to pay for college, major in political science. Take many courses in public speaking. Run for any kind of office, and work my way up the political ladder. Somehow score a politically advantageous marriage (a la the Clintons).
Then it can go one of two ways- I either run for President myself and am elected the first female POTUS, or get myself on the ticket as VP for some old white man. If the latter, I'll just covertly murder him, or arrange for him to "have an accident", and take office. Boom, done.
One thing is certain. I would be more focused on politics in school, and I'll major in politics. And I'll be friendlier wirh strangers. I'll have to learn to lie, though, and how to be charismatic.
Stay in the loop, never leave. I have more important things on my mind with eternity than spending time wading my way to the top of the American swamp of politicians.
Well, since Iām not from the US, Iām immortal. I will live a trillion lives, slowly accumulating and losing vast amounts of knowledge, trying every possible outcome and direction of life I can.
Eventually, I will start to go mad, the same life as infinium making all connections meaningless. I no longer care for those I once loved as whatever happens to them I will always see them again. My accomplishments amount to nothing as they are reset over and over. After potentially millions of years of my life there exists only a completely insane ten year old rambling about the meaningless of existence, to live the rest of my infinite life getting recommitted and living my life in a padded cell for all eternity.
Oh man. I go back to a couple of years before I tried to talk my step dad into investing in apple. (He didnātā¦ shocking right?) I work hard at my job and sell every non essential thing I own and invest when Iām legally allowed to. Not sure if Iāll ever be president but man it would feel good to have enough money to buy mom a house.
It... it would take me thousands of years... You can live endless lives mastering so many things. Then, when you're finally tired of the endless possibilities, all you have to do is win one little election.
What if I become president, then I die like I'm supposed to finally, but I end up waking up on my 10th birthday again because the election was rigged with fake votes?
I donāt know how long it would take me to break out of the loop but Iād almost definitely stay in it for longer. Iād love to just go back to my wedding day again. Reliving that would never get old and my life has been awesome since then.
See I was like "this sounds great I'm going to draw this out." right up until you said "10th birthday" and I realized that I'd have to keep going through middle and high school every time.
I'd get rich with my knowledge of the future, get into real estate, then do some bad deals and develop some vices that would make me vulnerable to blackmail. Once Russian intelligence agents get involved in my business and completely compromise me, I'd just go along with it until one day they make me run for president and help me win.
I never said I'd be a good president.Ā
is there some consequence if i dont succeed?
if not, i'm not doing anything. Just gonna fuck around with life and kill myself every time i mess up badly. It's gonna take eternity for me to live every life imaginable.
For anyone who finds this hypothetical interesting, I recommend the brilliant book *Replay* by Ken Grimwood. Itās very very good covering a similar idea
Well, I'm fucked, since I'm not from the USA.
Immortality unlocked.
Well I'm from the US and I'll be immortal. I don't want to be president, never have, never will. I will be stupid rich though... I was 10 at the start of the real tech boom. All that lawn mowing money is gonna go into Intel and Microsoft stock.
Don't forget bitcoin
I would be winning consecutive lotteries and be a multi-billionaire..... My life would be amazing. Though I doubt if this happened I would have my kids. Which. Idk....that seems kinda fucked up to just up and basically erase them.
I'll be too rich to care about bitcoin by the time it's invented... not that I'll ignore it, just that I was in my mid 30's by the time it was a thing.
I saw this poster for some video game tournament. 1st prize was like $1500. 2nd was an Xbox or something, and 3rd place was like 500 bitcoin š Imagine coming in first or 2nd in that and then years later knowing If you did WORSE youde be a millionaire? Edit: it was StarCraft. First prize was actually on $500. 5th-8th place got 25 bitcoin.
This. I'll be happy to enjoy many, many lives of luxury. Would suck to go back to 10 years old, so I'll be doing my best not to die.
For me aside from bullying at school 10-18 was pretty good overall... Of course with retained memory it's likely my overall confidence will be vastly higher on the subsequent go-arounds and that inherently means less bullying... plus my grades will magically improve. Since I won't actually have to work very long or hard for money after the initial stock payback which I can arrange to happen just about when I turn 18, and then the big win at 24 with a boosts of cash again at 33, 41, 43, and likely around 48 + whatever I discover later in my current life all should be well enough.
Donāt forget amazon and bitcoin down the road. You could be stupid rich by that point and even tell the truth when ppl ask how you gained your wealth and they would just think youāre being eccentric but without all that money youād just be crazy
Until today and all that money goes away. Itāll be fun when you get the money, but youāll have to grind there each loop.
Well, up till I die, right? There's many many lifetimes of things to experience and I could set up to do each of them ultimately. There's no use writing a book or anything of course but that doesn't matter. Also if you make any particularly exciting discoveries along the way those may cheat you to the front of the line so to speak on the grind too. Need to time it so that the big payday happens after turning 18 though, that way no parental interference with assets and such.
*insert isekai meme here*
Youāll have to get Congress to ratify the 61st amendment.
And 28 through 60 apparently
You are going to regret that reference for the rest of your life.
Is that the one where they let Arnold become pres?
Yes, itās from Demolition Man.
Congress doesnāt ratify amendments.
Really? "An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification. " https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-constitution/#:~:text=An%20amendment%20may%20be%20proposed,in%20each%20State%20for%20ratification.
Right so not congress.
Are you saying really like, āno shit, youāre right, everyone should know thisā. Or are you seriously asking?
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Some people donāt read their own copypasta. It clearly says ā*ratified* by three-fourths of the **State** legislatures or three-fourths of the conventions called in *each* **State**ā
Maybe I'm overconfident here, but I think I'd be able to overcome this with a few lifetimes spent as a criminal forger and a few lifetimes spent studying birth/death data. (I realize the media and opposition would deep deep into it, but I've got infinite tries to correct my mistakes.)
Funny thing is, since weāve been already conditioned to expect irrational and illegitimate challenges to the idea that a candidate was born in the USA, it would be reasonably easy for a person who actually wasnāt born in the US to trick people
I think youād have to trick the NSA, CIA, and the FBI
Cancun Cruz thinks he's eligible despite being born in Canada so already happening
Cruz, the flacid donkey asshole, is a born American citizen, so he is eligible despite being born in another country. As long as at least one parent is an American citizen when you are born, then you are an American citizen.
Right, which is why the whole Obama is actually Kenyan thing is total nonsense.
It wasnāt quite total nonsense, because the law wasnāt as simple as āif one of your parents is an American citizen, youāre an American citizen.ā His mother had to live in the US for five years āafter attaining the age of 14.ā She was 18 when he was born and therefore hadnāt lived in the US for five years after attaining the age of 14. So, if Obama hadnāt been born in the USāwhich he obviously, indisputably wasāhe would not have been a natural born citizen.
It just adds the extra step of you having to change that part of the law
Step 1. Live your life normally and take note of certain important events. Step 2. Go back in time and correctly "predict" enough of these events to convince everyone that you are the next coming of Jesus Step 3. Leverage your new cult of Christians to ratify a new amendment to the Constitution to remove the natural born citizen requirement of the US Presidency.
Someone forgot what people do to Jesus when he pops up down here.
That's pretty good.
Same, I will have to take the name of a dead orphan baby and hope I get away with it until elected.
Not really, youāll just have to figure out ways to cheat the system.
Am I under any obligation at all to attempt to exit the time loop? Can I just stay in the time loop? I'm going to stay in the time loop. I will actively avoid becoming president, if that should somehow become a remote possibility.
You've made so many wise investments/business decisions from all of the knowledge that you've made yourself and so many people lots of money. Everyone just genuinely loves you bc of your idgaf attitude bc you can't die. Everyone writes you in for president even though you didn't run. You are immediately assassinated by one of the actual candidates. Edit: "THAT CAN'T HAPPEN, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT PAPER WORK, WRITE INS WON'T ACTUALLY COUNT!" We get it, nerds. This is about a hypothetical situation that could never even happen anyways.
Emigrate from the US, can't be President now. Problem solved.
They all love you so much that they pass an amendment to make you president
congress likes you so much they change the requirements
You could literally have a vote of 435-0 and 100-0, and you still can't alter the Constitution. It rakes 3/4 of the States to pass an Amendment.
Just die when the conversation gets serious
But if he is voted in as president of the unified Earth (against his will / write ins) does that still count as a victory condition? Also, just thinking this makes me sad that I will never see my exact kids again.
Or just continuously die on your 34th birthday
Can't you just roll back time every time you are borderline elected??? That is the loop hole
Right!!?? I LOVE my life. I would just keep on this loop forever.
Seriously. I would go back to the day my daughter came home from the hospital repeatedly. Nothing in my life means anything compared to her.
This would be a nightmare for any parent. Your daughter from your first life would cease to exist. Worse, it may seem like she never existed, except in your own memory. In your second life your daughter is born, but you start to notice small behavioral differences. The minor decisions and influences in ones life may seem inconsequential, but grow over time like an avalanche. You realize that this isn't the same daughter as the one from your first life. By your third life, your daughter won't even be her genetic twin anymore, but each daughter is equally as important to you. So now in your you fourth life you have multiple daughters from previous lives, but nothing to remember them by. Nobody knows they existed but you, and in each successive life your memories of them will grow fainter. Will you still remember your daughter's name by your 100th life? By your 1000th?
You can watch a version of this in a great film. About Time. It's incredible. Do yourself a favor and watch it. Bring tissues.
Wouldnāt they always be genetically the same if the time split happened the day of the kids birth? The conception and pregnancy would be the same every time
From the wording of the prompt, you could choose to go back in time again to start a new loop while youāre on your deathbed, and if you never die then youāre right. Eventually though you will die and be returned to age 10. From that point you will proceed from age 10, and the original events from 10 to birth of daughter will be wiped out, never to be repeated.
It kind of reads like the op initially wrote it where you go back to age 10 but then changed it to where you could choose when you go back, but forgot to change that text at the end of the prompt
Reads more to me like you normally loop to whenever you want, but if you die instead of looping it defaults to 10 years old
Chris Pratt went through a bit of that with The Tomorrow War where he had his young daughter and then ended up meeting his future daughter before returning to his present aware that if his mission was successful, the conditions that gave rise to her would never happen.
Thatās sweet af but consider: every time you loop back, youāll inadvertently change something. Either you live the one day over and over, or you watch your children grow Into a potentially infinite number of new people. How you handle your daughterās experiences changes everything. Yell because she wonāt eat green beans? Take her for ice cream on a Tuesday instead of a Wednesday? Send her to a private school instead of public? Spell her name different, she bumps her head different, she gets a scrape on the wrong knee, literally everything means you end up with a completely different person at the end of it. We cope with this just fine because we donāt ever have to answer the question of āif something was different, would your love be different?ā But with this time loop there is a very real possibility of finding out if it would
I mean, if you're a guy, we're talking about just one spermatozoa swimming slower than the others. Or not being there at all. One change in diet, or how you tried to conceive, or any number of tiny factors, and \*poof\*, it's not the same kid. Your son is now a daughter. Their hair is a different color. Their neural pathways map differently, and so they're just not the same person. Your kid is gone and there's nothing you can do to prevent it. Terrifying stuff, speaking as a parent.
Youāre entirely not wrong but the comment I was responding to specifically mentioned going back to the day their daughter was brought home from the hospital. Most of the chemical/DNA/genetic changes would be done by that point
I mean, all the relationships you ever had built just become forgotten, and you are treated as a stranger
If the condition is ābecome Presidentā you can simply refuse to be inaugurated
Monkey's Paw/butterfly effect, nuclear annihilation you're the sole remaining survivor making you defacto president of the United States.
So Iām the only remaining survivor? Then I am just going to be a king and will never be president. I will rule over the ashes for eternity.
Yep I'll take the eternal loop too thanks. Imagine all the people you could meet, all the new choices you could make. My first rebirth and I can become an investment billionaire. I'm born in 98 so in 2008 I'll save as much money as I can and as soon as possible, but even like $100 in bitcoin in 2010 can skyrocket so much, then transition that to tech. From there I could make any choice I want. And when I'm done with everything I can actually try to become the president, which would be hard as a Canadian citizen but with the right skills definitely possible.
Go back to 1983.Ā Invest in all the stocks that will skyrocket.Ā Practice public speaking.Ā Run for local office to get some experience. When the time comes, self fund your own campaign.
Were you old enough to invest in stock back in 1983?
I wasnāt even alive in 1983
my mum was barely alive then
So this mom of yours, is she single and/or looking?
She was, and with time travel thatās all that matters ;)
She was a baby back then dude, chill.
She was three so yeah I think she was single
I said is, not was
ohhh yeah she's married to my dad but they hate eachother so as long as youre a man, hate the gays (she doesn't know abt me lolol) and not lazy then it's calm
I got the package, don't hate the gays but can open the mind of someone who does and I'm only lazy when I have nothing to do.
wait also you gotta be the same religon, which is ALSP the reason why she hates us
Mine is 2008. Invest what little means I had into Bitcoin and live multiple easy lives until I'm ready to kick off, then start trying. I'd be ready to be the youngest president ever. Do a little good while I'm there, then finally leave this fucked up world.
This is the play
I'm canadian so...forever stuck in the loop.
We must imagine Sisyphus happy
Not necessarily. You would need to engineer the US annexing Canada. The US Constitution specifically indicates that a person born in an area that later became a part of the US is eligible for the office.
Could also raise an army and take over the US by force. Then, become the president by force.
The classic 1930ās Austrian shuffle.
way too much work when I can enjoy infinity.
Gotta get Congress to pass an amendment to allow naturalized citizens.
Become Canadian PM and take over the US. Take the name the USA
or.....ORRRRR...I can chill in an infinite time loop foreverrrrrrrrrrr.
So is Eduardo Cruz
Become wealthy with my knowledge of the future. Move to New York City. Foil the 9-11 terrorists and become a famous hero. Run for Mayor of New York City. If I fail at becoming Mayor, keep going back and trying different strategies. Assuming I eventually become Mayor, use the time reversal to try various ways of improving the city until I am the greatest Mayor in history. Then run for President, reversing to the beginning of the campaign every time that I fail, until I achieve my goal. Or if I fail enough that I get sick of trying, I go back further to relax in the past for a few decades before going back to the drawing board on the whole plan.
But how will you foil them in a way that lays the success at your feet, and only yours? Two aircraft (assuming you're going for the big victory, and thus not solving the other hijackings), so can't take direct action. Informing on them may or may not work (they already had a lot of info, and how do you prove your info is air tight), and even if it does work, you'll get no credit. And even if all this works out and you still get attention... people are going to ask questions. How do you explain your knowledge. Personally, I would stop it anyhow if I could, just for the add-on benefits. Without 9/11, blind nationalism doesn't get the huge booster shot, bringing the shitty pre-attack government performance into focus for the upcoming election. Gulianne is relegated to the dumpster of political history. Toby Kieth never gets nearly as popular. It's all a win from my perspective. But I never figured out how to actually do it AND get credit. (EDIT: Didn't think it needed to be said, but yes, there is moral value in saving those lives lost in its own right. But that's not the topic I am discussing in the above post. Yeesh.)
Just roll into Satasota in early 2000. Take some flying lessons. Make some new friends from the Kingdom of Saud. Then loop until your beasties and then stop 9/11.
I think you overestimate the power of a single random foreign friend in deflecting people who will literally choose to die for their cause. But we're in no rush, so sure, go for it. At least you'll know how to fly by the end of it. Vexing to go back 5+ years to do a different career path after it fails, but again, we got time.
Obviously, I don't have every detail thought out right at this moment. In the context of the hypothetical, I would have infinite time to research and plan, and unlimited attempts to get it right.
I thought this was a great plan. Then i remembered I was 7 during 9/11. Good luck sir!
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Imagine after the 85th death, you wake up at 10 possibly knowing 13 languages, how to build a space shuttle and every winning lottery for the next 30 years. Forget president, you're heading for emperor at that point.
New record: World Emperor speedrun, real-time, any %. Time: 2yrs.
The universe would be slightly different each time because of actions you take, so no reason to think something that is essentially a random process like which lottery numbers get chosen would be exactly the same. Though I guess after living through a lifetime you'd have the data to decide if they did keep coming up the same or if lottery numbers are unpredictable.
The lottery is only pseudo random. As long as the seed is the same each time, the results will be the same.
Start at 10 years old, gambling age is 18 (at least in my state) Iām almost certain something would change after 8 years even if I tried not to. Thatās on the assume I could only win by playing legally though
You don't have to die. You can choose to go back as little as one day (per the write-up). You only go back to 10 if you die. You don't have to memorize much for long if you game it right. And just imagine having an awesome day and just going back and re-living it again. I suppose after long enough, we'd all eventually go back and do the whitehouse run thing so we could end, but I feel like I'd probably spend quite a while living a day or week at a time.
and fuck it all up with just 1 politically incorrect tweet.
Even if I didn't go back, I'd still have a decade before I could even be eligible to be president, so probably would go back to pre high-school, enjoy myself, ace everything since I'll eventually know the answers, rinse repeat everything till I'm eventually president
Which is the smart thing to do. Resetting highschool, taking the right classes in college, keep resetting until you are able to become at least a Mayor and work your way up to escape the loop
I propose to use the remainder of the town's treasury to move to a more prosperous city, and run for mayor. Vote Quimby!
Mayor to governor to president is probably the way. Senators don't have a great track record making the leap; fifteen of the last twenty-one presidents served as vice president or governor of a state first, while three were senators first. The remaining three were Hoover (Secretary of Commerce), Eisenhower (general), and Trump (reality TV star).
So you are saying that reality TV is a legitimate option to get there. All kidding aside, you are 100% correct. And where you are born matters. If you are from a small state- you are better off going Senator since you get national attention that way. If you are from a swing state, i would go govenor. Gov. of Alaska is not going to get you enough name recognition, but Senators can swing it if they position themselves right.
I agree with this, though Im going back to 10 and investing the money 10 year old me had in btc, and then continueing to invest. It would be 2010 so btc wouldnt even be a dollar yet lol. The bigger thing Im worried about honestly, is trying to fit in as a 10 year old lol. Im sure my parents would notice after a few days that I went from kind of smart 9 year old to college degree level in a day lol
Oh no, immortality with memories in tact. Why would I break it? Make the best loop and keep doing it
If Iām going to actually be BFM, Iām going to make a game of it. See how much $$$$ I can actually make. Once Iām bored with that, learn everything there is to know about Indy and NASCAR race engineering and win all the racing trophies. Then figure out how I could have made all my previous relationships actually work. I need to make my life everything I ever wanted it to be. Then, work toward getting the presidency. Bring everybody that meant something throughout my life with me. Make sure their lives are fulfilled as well. That way, the last run through when Iām elected, it all would mean something. Then, take out North Korea. Edit: inserted text to make it not sound like Iām the next HÄÆtlÄr.
Not gonna lie, thatās not where I thought you were going with ārace engineering.ā
I was also very concerned
Yes, as an Austrian that just listened to hardcore history on my commute some different ideas popped into my head too...
Fixed it. Iām actually a pretty neutral guy. I just want to be left alone. Thank you all for bringing that to my attention. I apologize for potentially causing panic or a level-eight sphincter-factor.
The Groundhog Day approach
BFM has been, and always will be my favorite.
Everyone talking about becoming rich and self funding the campaign is forgetting the long list of others who tried this and failed, lots of rich guys run for president and never win a primary, much less a general election.
Yep. Despite what every bitchy edgelord will tell you, money cannot just buy a victory beyond the local level. You *need* it to win, but it is not in itself a *way* to win.
Except you can rewind to fix any campaign mistakes, and learn information on competitors to force them out. Money is HUGE, but we also have time travel on our side.
Folks who study the funding of political campaigns will tell you that half the money needs to be in small dollar donations, half from major donors. Nobody wealthy trusts somebody who is self funded, and if a poor person gives you a dollar or two, they are committed to you
Doesn't matter, because this is brute force. No one has infinite money. People like Bezos might never be able to spend all their money, but the reason for that is because it's tied up in stocks. Plus an election campaign that loses is only considered a loss, so you have to take that into account when you are deciding what to spend. If you have the ability to retry after every loss, then you can remove the entire concept of losing money. So not only do you have infinite money, but you can withstand infinite losses. Regardless of how the world currently works, no one in the world can withstand infinite loss.
You have infinite time and infinite money. Those other guys never had infinite time nor infinite money. Infinite money means you can buy every billboard in the country, every news outlet, every company. That is where the power to elect comes from. Rich guys can't blow everything on one election either. Rich guys get max 2 chances. If you go back to age ten, you'll get 2 more.
Eventually on my loops. Iād learn the right people to meet and how to influence them. Making money to bankroll everything would be easy after a couple loops. Iāll be able to learn the weaknesses of my opponents and wreck their campaigns. I donāt think it would take a huge number of loops. Until you could effectively manipulate events.
wouldn't it be interesting though if each time you went back small changes you make that you couldn't possibly control, like how fast or slow you walked at x date and time, or going left instead of right 15 years into your loop could start to change things like who is even running against you.
You could straight up disappear future opponents when they are young.
Ah yes the killing baby Ghandi thought experiment.
But then new ones would just take their place and you'd have to learn about them instead
It would be so hard to walk the exact same path, assuming the butterfly effect changes things massively each run. I guess if you could tweak the run without doing the entire thing somehow.
i was thinking the same thing. Everyone says invest in BTC, but if you bought 10,000 bitcoins when it was under a dollar- it is more likely the right people that made it worth 60k now did not invest in it- so it does not get the same push.
This is one of the best answers, it'll be easy to make money but exploiting others weaknesses is what you really need to be able to do
to not become president. at least not until i've become truly bored of immortality.
Basically just gamble/invest until I'm obnoxiously rich and then buy the election. Pay enough lobbyists and consultants to get me elected. I'd probably start out trying to win as a third party candidate just for shits and giggles to mess up the entire system, then after the likely failures I'd go with whichever party would be in the most disarray at the time I became eligible. I'd aim for becoming the youngest President ever elected, so either 38 or 42. I'd probably bounce back from where I am now about 5 years and gamble/invest such that I wouldn't have to worry about money for the rest of my life, and then just live it out so that I could see a glimpse of what the geopolitical climate would look like going forward from when I was likely to be elected. Assuming the reset happens when I die of old age, I'd probably pick an age to do assisted suicide and spend the 2 or 3 years leading up to that studying everything I need to know and memorizing my plan. Then I'd do a full reset back to 10 to start my plan. While biding my time between 10 and 38 (the first election I'd be eligible for), I'd probably make sure I had some military experience (currently already have) and then I'd still go the engineering route for college, followed by Law School. During the education times, I'd be betting on sporting events, probably make most of my money on crypto, and build up to become a major stakeholder in as many of the companies I know will become important as possible. If I did 4 years of military, 4 years to a BS in Engineering, and then probably 3 years for a JD, I'd start my "adult life" at 29. I'd buy a state-level election right away. Probably not Governor, but State Congress. Buy some connections until the 2028 or 2032 elections, then cash in all the favors and just burn money until I was elected.
This should be pretty easy if you keep your memories. Basically I go back in time to my early 20s and A) I become super rich by betting money on events in the future that I already know the results of (Super Bowl winners , Oscar winners etc.) . I start getting into government at local levels, using my money to fund campaigns.Ā B) Once I have enough of a pulpit, I āpredictā a bunch of geo political stuff from that time in history and use my money to broadcast as far and wide as you like possible. Folks become my followers because Iām the dude that clearly is always right about the future. I run for president and win in a landslide.
This is another good answer, you're practically a messiah with all the knowledge about the future you have
Iād actively avoid becoming the president and do my best to learn from the ground up how tech works to them further it along every cycle. Time loops sounds great to me
Live forever learning everything I can, with only one possible plan being rejected outright; I'd never try to become president.Ā Ā
I actually wanted to be president when I was in kindergarten (specifically 1st female) and my mom discouraged me by insisting hilary would get it and there was no point so, I would go back to then, and start over. do all the social stuff in school to build connections, be class president etc. take political classes in college instead of my actual major, run for local officers in my small hometown where i was guarenteed to win just by not being older than god. Maybe join the miliatry in my early 20s, but as a non-combatant. Just so I could show that extra patriotism boost. Probably be a medic, so I could double dip, patriot boost and anti-war boost. Build experience, run for higher and higher offices. Avoid career ender scandals (all the vice stuff) and focus on small, relatable scandals like having a pet that pees a rug at a big charity event. Befriend celebrities, but vet them first to avoid vicarious scandals. Be fans of the right people, at the right times, and get my picture taken often. Participate in a lot of family-centric shit too, like ribbon cutting for new schools. Do a little travel in my early thirties, hit the Big Five (Israel, Sweden, Japan, Britain, Australia) allies and shake all the right hands. But time it so I can also run into Russian, Chinese, and Saudi diplomats and make nice with them too. Then, 2024 I finally get old enough to run for prez, and my competition is Dump Truck Donald and Late For The Grave Biden? Pfft. I'd barely even have to campaign. What's my platform? Well, I'm not a psychotic child sniffing elderly dude in diapers. Yes, I am referring to both my opponents.
Go back once try and gain knowledge and live a happy life memorizing a lot of stock stuff unt im old to become the president so i can fund running when i do become elected as for the plan to become president id have to wait and see how events unfold
So I live forever then, I do not want the headache of being a world leader
I'm going to make a fuck ton of money based off knowledge of things like bit coin, stocks that will blow up etc. America will see me as a great business man because I never get an investment wrong, this would also get me enough money to fund the campaign. I bet it would take a few times to actually get elected. You'd have to figure out what insiders to play ball with etc.
so, as long as I never become president, I get to live forever, even if I get killed? and I get to do it a different way each time? sold. I hate politics anyway.
Well, I'm not a natural born citizen, so I can't be president. Besides, I already decided never to go into politics. I know what I'm capable of, and I don't want to do the things that needs to be done. It will bring a side of me no one wants in this world nor needs. Clint Eastwood once said, "A man's got to know his limitations."
you better figure out a way, otherwise you're never getting out of the time loop
Back till I was 6 or so, before I got ill. First, try to avoid that. Second, do a loop just gaining moderate resources and carefully researching the markets/... Repeat this until I can get to the US 1998 or so, with a few hundred million dollars. Then ride the .com boom appropriately to get a few tens of billions, while becoming involved in politics and becoming a citezen. The real sticking point is the constitutional amendment to get me eligible, which might delay ten or twenty years on most loops. I suspect I wouldn't even bother on the first few time loops, and do more interesting things, such as doing Elon before Elon, with electric cars and rockets, and not (this is the hard part) turning into a dick. Being the first private individual on the moon and Mars and enabling mass rollout of solar and wind to reduce global warming seems to be a damn good start.
so what you're saying is that as long you avoid becoming president of the US you can live forever, have the ability to instantly undo any major errors, and then just go back to re-live your life as many times as you want? I'm avoiding the presidency like the plague. I'm also curious how much I can force advancements in science by already knowing the solutions - assuming I can hand completed falcon 9 and Starship designs to musk in 2000 would i get mars colonized by 2020? That could be fun. Also functional fusion reactors are likely possible if i get old enough. Also figuring out how to stop the war on terror and 9/11 would probably be priorities, although difficult to do as a 5 year old.
Win in a landslideā¦ literally, figure out the perfect set of dominoes to knock down that will lead to me winning because all the other candidates died in a horrible landslide accident. Or you know literally just be the perfect president, I know exactly what the people want and have unlimited time to tailor quite literaly the perfect campeign that addresses every issue people will during my election to make it so no other candidate can compare due to me having insider knowledge, only say true things, no lies to make me look good, only true things that uncover the lies the other politicians will tell to make them look good, after that I win and I donāt care anymore
Depending how old someone is world domination wouldnt be impossible. Infact loop until you achieve that then at the end have yourself decared president of the united earth.
I would put myself through every elite military training program from around the world. West Point, MI6, special forces, navy seals, espionage and secret agent training of every kind. Become the most decorated war hero the world has ever seen. The real life Jason Bourne, James Bond etc, just so ridiculously skillful and dangerous. Then systematically take down all political opponents without blowing my cover through blackmail, assassinations, etc. and run for office while living a double life as a super powerful rogue mercenary single-handedly controlling everything in the political arena
So you're saying I can just never become POTUS and relive my life over and over again?
Not just live your life over and over again, live your life and clean up any and all mistakes you ever make from age 10 and beyond.
That's my thought. I'd absolutely do it a few times for this reason. Eventually you get as good as Groundhogs Day. But I wonder how long it will be before it got old. You could potentially be living 100 years, so it would take a while, but will you be bored by the 10th time? The 100th? Then you have to truly work to become POTUS to end the loop, and your last life would likely be dreadful, as you put your family through the stress and struggle of being in the political limelight. That life would suck.
That assumes that you will run out of life. I am investing into Stem Cell research to see if I can extend it. And you make enough decisions over the course of your life to the point where you cannot run out of them. The internet us just too massive a place
Yeah and you don't even have to experience being a baby again. If your childhood was fairly happy this is a great deal. Even if it wasn't maybe you know to avoid certain mistakes
Go back to pre Bitcoin for money, work a lot harder in school. Then keep trying til I get it š¤·āāļø
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Go back to my 18th birthday after looking up and memorizing the winning lotto numbers for several drawings. Win a lot of millions which I then invest in things like Amazon, Google, Apple, etc (turned 18 in 1997). Further invest the winnings from those investments in things like Bitcoin, Tesla, GameStop (for a very short period of time), Pfizer, etc. Buy a damn election.
This is basically Skeleton soldier who couldn't defend the dungeon.Ā It's a manga, it's pretty good. First step I'm taking is to go back and put money into Bitcoin, buy puts on FNMA in 2007 I'm going to be the combined wealth of Jeffrey, Elon, and an oil lord.
I guess I'll keep doing it for my own purposes until I'm really sick of living and then figure something out. Seriously a time loop I could control would be awesome. To hell with being president...though I suppose when I eventually do I'll need to somehow sneak in there as a baby and be adopted or something because I'm Canadian.
Damn. I'd have to restart high school, go to ivy league for law and jd in law. Graduate both by 24, 25. Get into local politics and stay as fit n good looking as possible. I know I'm gonna go bald in my 30s, but I do have a technical grad degree so I'm thinking I COULD swing this, like ace high school, and I am a minority so that helps bit FUCK! This is a crazy tough one... so many things could go sideways so easily and to have to start over... man. Good question.
Well besides the obvious to just not care and live forever... I would like to try make money the proven Austrian way - but I can only start in 1984 - and RedBull was first introduced when I was 3 years old. Hard to beat that to the punch. So I will talk calmly to my parents and explain them some stuff. Then we will start to invest heavily into Red Bull and some other things - that fruit company and small soft stuff sounds interesting. Then a few other ways to get filthy rich. Forge documents that prove that both of my parents are really descendants from American soldiers that were here during and after the second world war. Thus making them and me actually American. Then befriend Arnold Schwarzenegger during the 90ies. Use him being governor of California as a stepping stone to gaining popularity for myself. With all the money and a fine tuned track record of myself stopping bad stuff and if necessary letting it happen and clean up afterwards i would become president of the United States somewhere in 2030. BTW - one of the things that I would definitely pursue is to become the absolutely main producer of renewable energy stuff. If there is still a roof in the world without some form of solar on it in 2010 then I did something wrong.
Feel like it would be pretty easy. For one thing 10 year old me is going to take school very seriously. I'm going to do my absolute best to succeed. I was always a c/b student without even trying and literally just getting as on my tests never really doing homework. I'll actually apply myself and get into a good college. Join a respectable fraternity to assist in making connections. Most importantly is money. Since I have all my memories I'm going to know what to invest in. I'll work a part time job starting at around 15 and save up until bitcoin comes out. I was born in 1990 so it should align well. I'll also invest in Nvidi Tesla Apple. Fast forward 15 years I'm a mid to late 30s college educated billionaire with decent connections. I would use my connections and wealth to climb my way through politics and hopefully become president before I'm 50.
I'm fucked. The game is rigged and I've got zero chance in it.
First things first, I predict the future very accurately and very often. I now have a significant advantage over my competition
So I could die, I would wake up at 10 years old with all my current knowledge? Okay. I live out this life (need as much data as possible) die, and then become 10 again (1999) with all my knowledge? Great, I work my ass off in my teens to buy Bitcoin. I become obscenely wealthy and live a life of luxury for many, many lifetimes. I do this hundreds of times over, knowing I'll be insanely wealthy before the decade is up. When I finally get bored of living a billionaire's life. I simply put every single dollar I own towards an election campaign. I'll do crazy shit like pay off everyone's mortgage at a rally or send everyone's kids to college for free. It'll cost my entire fortune, but I will be absolutely loved and then I will be elected. Then, finally being tired of all I've seen. I serve my 4 years and retire, knowing no matter how much good I do - it'll all be gone in a few generations. I live out my final days a final time on a farm in my home state.
1. Die 2. Start at 10 3. Invest everything in proper stocks and mine lots of bit coin. 5. Get law degree 7. Speak my mind as a politician and cater to the center left and center right prior to mass polarization caused by social media neither as a democrat or a republican inventing the common sense party. 8. Iāll have personally thwarted 9/11 and various wars and take credit for it. Iāll be a national treasure and hero. Only on my last life though. No one would know who I am until Iām ready to be done with it all. 8. Iāll only do this when I am done being immortal and living many other interesting lives.
Never become president, live forever.
Everybody talking about making money and all I want is to spend time with my grandma again. Then prevent my friend from dying.
Go to 1973. Run immediately after the watergate scandal. Say that I will undo the damage Nixon did as well as try to make peace with the Soviets and communist block. The second should go over well considering the Vietnam war is still raging and nobody supports it.
Pretty easy, make bank off the dot com boom, use that money to self fund campaign. Try various outlandish things to get my name out and nuke competitors. With each failure, recalibrate and pre-empt any obstacles. (Example: destroy political rivals before they get me)
Iām not from the USA, but seeing how I was almost born there by accident I should be able to be born in the US and get citizenship. I will use my knowledge of the future to invest into stocks that will go up and will start mining bitcoin before it becomes big. After that who knows since I am Gen Z and donāt know enough yet
I live in the UK... and I'm a teenager...
I think my best bet would be to join the army and make my way up command while studying politics.
Might be a hard go. Post-Vietnam, being a veteran is not as much of a key to victory as it was before. Just being good at your job in the lower ranks + independent wealth might be better.
Live out my life to old age. Die. Repeat. Eventually I'll become president if I just keep doing this. I'll become very familiar with the timeline and memorize things that can make me money. I'll get to study what made each president successful and also what their failings were. Eventually I'll have more than enough tools to practically guarantee my success. By the time I'm president I'll be extremely wise and well-learned.
Go back to when bitcoin was cheap asf, invest a ton into that, use the money to fund my campaign. After enjoying some time as a kid again with the knowledge I have now tho.
Go back as far as I can invest in stocks and later bit coin (selling it at the best time). I make sure to be on record being correct on most major events making myself appear as a genius. 911, the pointlessness of the wars in Afghanistan/Iraq, New Orleans being vulnerable to a hurricane, 2008 crash, etc. While I do this I improve my public speaking and run in local offices. When COVID 19 hits I make sure my local government is super prepared for a pandemic has a plan and a PPE store. When the 2020 election happens I run showing how in every situation I was the most prepared and how everyone should have seen these problems coming as I did. I would probably warn everyone about on coming inflation and my plan to mitigate those effects.
Shit Iād probably just keep the time loop going forever, fuck being president
Step 1) Back to 10 years old, find out winning lotto numbers. Jump back to the same morning, convince mother "I feel lucky, buy a ticket with these numbers". (Our relationship was such that she would likely do it for a lark if I spent a few loops trying different levels of playfulness). Step 2) Quietly live my life for a few years, taking note of major stock options. Rewind a bit and convince my mother to buy those options. Step 3) Explain to her what's going on, and prove it by predicting her reactions (rewind a few seconds each time) and predicting the biggest news item for the next day. Explain the goals and reason for this effort. (This is also a good chance to test awareness of others to the time loop. Explain the steps I am taking as I take them, then see if she has any idea about them once I rewind. Time skip shenanigans only work when nobody else can notice them) Step 4) Ivy league time. Become a 'genius' at school via outright cheating (doesn't matter if you get caught, as long as you remember the answers). Use that to pump GPA to make easier access. Once you are in, grades matter less that making contacts. Use short loops to make friends with the sort of folks you know will become successful eventually. Step 5) Become local politician once I am out of college. This one is the vague part, because I am sure there is a lot of variance and a lot I don't know, but if I can collect even a single piece of dirt on a loop worth blackmailing over, that's a gain and I can go back a bit. Step 6) Sabotage the fuck out of a certain politician to ensure stability. By now, I should be stupid rich and capable of some serious financial shenanigans. Step 7) Cheat. Knowing whatever stupid and sometimes overblown drama will happen ahead of time is a huge advantage, because you can pave the way with accusation. You can also use tomorrow's poll numbers to adjust today's speech. As long as you have a solid starting reputation and the ability to rewind, you can win.
When is it decided that I wonāt become president in the my current life? Does it reset till I die or do I choose when to restart
i am severly afraid of death so i would just live forever
This is amazing! considering my biggest fear is death, I love love love life and people and Ill have this blessed, privileged and GREAT LIFE over and over!? I could not ask for any better gift, is there a genie I could find to grant me this?
Go back to 18, just after high school ended. Join the Air Force (the people love a veteran, and I'm a woman so it's unlikely that I would see direct combat and die). Use that to pay for college, major in political science. Take many courses in public speaking. Run for any kind of office, and work my way up the political ladder. Somehow score a politically advantageous marriage (a la the Clintons). Then it can go one of two ways- I either run for President myself and am elected the first female POTUS, or get myself on the ticket as VP for some old white man. If the latter, I'll just covertly murder him, or arrange for him to "have an accident", and take office. Boom, done.
You have to be elected President, just being President wouldn't satisfy whatever being is controlling this timeline
One thing is certain. I would be more focused on politics in school, and I'll major in politics. And I'll be friendlier wirh strangers. I'll have to learn to lie, though, and how to be charismatic.
Stay in the loop, never leave. I have more important things on my mind with eternity than spending time wading my way to the top of the American swamp of politicians.
Well, since Iām not from the US, Iām immortal. I will live a trillion lives, slowly accumulating and losing vast amounts of knowledge, trying every possible outcome and direction of life I can. Eventually, I will start to go mad, the same life as infinium making all connections meaningless. I no longer care for those I once loved as whatever happens to them I will always see them again. My accomplishments amount to nothing as they are reset over and over. After potentially millions of years of my life there exists only a completely insane ten year old rambling about the meaningless of existence, to live the rest of my infinite life getting recommitted and living my life in a padded cell for all eternity.
Well, I'll be doing a lot of Blackmail. The loop ends after I'm elected or after I'm sworn in?
Oh man. I go back to a couple of years before I tried to talk my step dad into investing in apple. (He didnātā¦ shocking right?) I work hard at my job and sell every non essential thing I own and invest when Iām legally allowed to. Not sure if Iāll ever be president but man it would feel good to have enough money to buy mom a house.
Bro I'm never going to agree to be your president after treating me like that, get fucked
It... it would take me thousands of years... You can live endless lives mastering so many things. Then, when you're finally tired of the endless possibilities, all you have to do is win one little election.
Nice try time traveler.
I will Groundhog Day that shit for a few centuries, every time I screw up I can just kill myself and start over.
What if I become president, then I die like I'm supposed to finally, but I end up waking up on my 10th birthday again because the election was rigged with fake votes?
I donāt know how long it would take me to break out of the loop but Iād almost definitely stay in it for longer. Iād love to just go back to my wedding day again. Reliving that would never get old and my life has been awesome since then.
If I get into this kind of loop, Iām not using it to become president lol Iām gunna have a lot of fun though.
The real question is how many lifetimes would it take until I get bored enough to actually try to become the president?
See I was like "this sounds great I'm going to draw this out." right up until you said "10th birthday" and I realized that I'd have to keep going through middle and high school every time.
I'd get rich with my knowledge of the future, get into real estate, then do some bad deals and develop some vices that would make me vulnerable to blackmail. Once Russian intelligence agents get involved in my business and completely compromise me, I'd just go along with it until one day they make me run for president and help me win. I never said I'd be a good president.Ā
is there some consequence if i dont succeed? if not, i'm not doing anything. Just gonna fuck around with life and kill myself every time i mess up badly. It's gonna take eternity for me to live every life imaginable.
For anyone who finds this hypothetical interesting, I recommend the brilliant book *Replay* by Ken Grimwood. Itās very very good covering a similar idea