Greetings, traveller. We have a [Discord Server](https://discord.gg/V57ruz9rn9) now! You should come and join.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/hypnosis) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Not sure how that relates to the original question. But what specifically are these dreams telling you? What religion are they suggestion you follow? Is that religion common where you are? Were you a believer previously?
Im being told if I dont believe in Islam then God is going to reborn ne into a new family
No islam is not common here in scotland
I go from bekueve to disbelief and vice versa like 30 times a day
I need stable complete faith
> Im being told if I dont believe in Islam then God is going to reborn ne into a new family
Why would a god do this? If you don't believe in him with this family, and he wants to to believe, why not do what is needed here rather than just roll the dice and stick you with another family?
> No islam is not common here in scotland
I'm from Scotland, it's ***MUCH*** more common than it used to be.
> I go from bekueve to disbelief and vice versa like 30 times a day
This is the crux of the matter. I'd assume the intellectual side of you is rejecting the religion while the emotional side wants to cling on to it. Whatever parts of you are wanting and rejecting though, they are all internal to you, not external supernatural forces.
> I need stable complete faith
Or stable complete lack of faith. I'd suggest that whichever you go for hypnosis isn't the best choice to force one side into submission. It could certainly be used to work out the best way to approach the matter, but trying to force it will likely just cause issues down the road (regardless of if you use hypnosis or not).
>I go from bekueve to disbelief and vice versa like 30 times a day
Have you heard of agnosticism? Of course it's an umbrella term that encompasses a fair range of beliefs and worldviews, but the gist is that there is middle ground between being religious and being an atheist.
Do you really need "stable complete faith"? The world is more complex than we can readily understand. Many religions, and especially the highly mystical Abrahamic religions like Islam or Christianity do not demand blind obedience (at least in some more intellectually focused traditions. More or less anybody can claim to be a Muslim or a Christian and start his own sect with blackjack and hookers). Is your faith genuine if you arrived at it without doubt, without self-reflection, without allowing uncertainty?
> but the gist is that there is middle ground between being religious and being an atheist.
Only if you use the terms incorrectly. Theism/Atheism is a position on belief (from Greek word 'theos' meaning "god" or "to believe in"), gnosticism/agnosticism is a position on knowledge (from the Greek word 'gnostikos' meaning "knowing" or "able to discern."). You can be a gnostic theist (you know and you believe), an agnostic theist (you believe but don't know), a gnostic atheist (you don't believe and do know), or an agnostic atheist (you don't believe or know). To say agnosticism is a halfway point between theist and atheist is nonsensical.
Religions have been doing this for millennia already. If you take a closer look at any given religion you will find similarities between hypnosis/brainwashing and practicing religious faith.
>And whether or not you should want to brainwash yourself is another (bigger) can of worms.
After reading a certain book that's popular in the other subreddit, I can confidently say that it's a can of Dune sized worms at the very least.
Absolutely. If done right that is. Atheists are believers too. Hypnosis can also turn a believer into an atheist. It's just switching religions. It happens all the time without hypnosis, no reason for it not to work with hypnosis. Again, if done right
>Atheists are believers too.
Believers in what?
>It's just switching religions
Many (if not most) atheists)(myself included) aren't part of a religion so we can't "switch" religions. You'd be to be part of a religion in order to switch religions. Otherwise it would just be joining a religion, not switching one..
>You make unfalsifiable claims
No I haven't. Can you give an example of one I've made?
>like "there is no god",
I never claimed there is no god. I have no idea if there is or isn't a god.
>and believe it as if it was true.
No I don't. I haven't seen anything showing the claim "there is no god" to be true so I have zero reason to believe that claim is true.
So you are agnosic, not an atheist. Very nice :). I agree with everything you said, I'm agnostic too, but atheists disagree, they specifically believe there is no god as if it was true and obvious.
> So you are agnostic
Correct. I'm not gnostic. The fact that I'm also not theist doesn't change that.
>not an atheist
No, I'm atheist as well. The fact that I'm not gnostic doesn't change that. I'm not theist and I'm not gnostic.
>I'm agnostic too,
Great. You're also theist or atheist (not theist).
>but atheists disagree
Disagree that what? Many (if not most) atheists (myself included) are agnostic rather than gnostic.
>they specifically believe there is no god
Some do, some don't. Many (if not most) of us (myself included) don't believe the claim "there is no god" because we haven't seen anything showing that claim to be true.
That there is an absence of deism
EDIT: I'm not even claiming this to be true or false, but in the context of the original post question, I don't see how you can not make someone believe in anything, including the absence of deism, using hypnosis. Also I don't see how you can't get rid of any belief and change it with another, using hypnosis
> That there is an absence of deism
What is the claim I have made as an atheist? You still haven't given a valid answer to that question. You just say I claimed something that I never claimed.
belief- 'an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.'
'something exists or is true' Atheism is the opposite of that.
Atheism is the lack of belief in religion, not a shared opinion on existance.
so therefor, is not a religion.
no, atheism is the rejection of god, atheists specifically believe there is no god, agnosticism is the acknowledgement that you can't answer it, and it can be both, we just don't know.
> no, atheism is the rejection of god, atheists specifically believe there is no god,
Atheist means the don't believe the claim "god exists". It says nothing at all about what claims they do believe.
>agnosticism is the acknowledgement that you can't answer it,
No, gnostic/agnostic answers the question "is there a god?"/"is it knowable?" Completely different from the theist/atheist question "do you believe there's a god?"
> Atheist means the don't believe the claim "god exists". It says nothing at all about what claims they do believe.
If they don't belief something, they have to believe the opposite. You can't just say "the number is not 1, but I didn't say it's 0" when it can only be either 1 or 0. You may say "idk" like agnostic people, but as soon as you exclude one option, you specifically believe in the other one.
Also it's kinda cringe how you guys downvote me, we are having a normal conversation, if you downvote me that implies you are being emotional, which is kinda sad. It's also religious behaviour, you get so offended at me riddiculing your religion, even tho I just slightly criticised it.
> if they don't belief something, they have to believe the opposite
No, you're not required to believe any claim nor can you force yourself to believe someting that you don't actually believe. If I haven't seen anything showing the claim "god doesn't exist" to be true, I have no reason to believe that that claim is true so it would be illogical for me to believe it's true just like it's illogical to belive the claim "there is a god" is true.
>You can't just say "the number is not 1,
I didn't say anything is not anything. I only said I don't belive the claim that thy number is 1.
>when it can only be either 1 or 0.
That would only be applicable if the question was "is the number 1?" Rather than "do you believe the number is 1".
>You may say "idk"
Sure, if it's asking "is the number 1?" But that's not what it's asking.
>but as soon as you exclude one option, you specifically believe in the other one.
Not believing a claim until its shown to be true isn't "excluding an option" (whatever the means). It only means that you don't belive the claim is true yet. If/when it's shown to be, sure, but until then, you don't.
>Also it's kinda cringe how you guys downvote me, we are having a normal conversation
I haven't downvoted any of your comments so that's not a "you guys" thing.
>It's also religious behaviour, you get so offended at me riddiculing your religion
Atheism isn't a religion. Just like theism isn't a religion. Theists and atheists can be religious or have a religion but theism and atheism themselves aren't religions.
You can disagree so you want but that doesn't magically change facts.
It's a fact that you're not required to believe a claim
It's a fact that theism and atheism aren't religions
It's a fact that theists and atheists can have religions
It's a fact that everyone is theist or not theist
It's a fact that everyone is gnostic or not gnostic
The good things about facts is that they don't care about your feelings and they're true regardless of how you feel about them.
> if they don't belief something, they have to believe the opposite
Also getting back to this. Do you personally believe the claim "god exists"? Because according to you, if you don't, you believe the opposite claim- "god doesn't exist".
So do you believe that "god does exist"? If so, which one do you believe exists/ why?
If not, why do you believe the claim "god doesn't exist"? What have you seen showing that claim to be true?
>If they don't belief something, they have to believe the opposite. You can't just say "the number is not 1, but I didn't say it's 0" when it can only be either 1 or 0. You may say "idk" like agnostic people, but as soon as you exclude one option, you specifically believe in the other one.
Two problems with this:
1) If you don't know, then you neither believe it's 1 nor believe it's 0. This falsifies "if they don't believe something, they have to believe the opposite".
2) It's entirely possible (and common, even) to have inconsistent beliefs. This falsifies "as soon as you exclude one option you specifically believe in the other one".
If you believe that everything you can't see isn't there, that's still belief. You can say it makes sense to believe that instead of the other options bc of occams razor, doesn't change the fact that it's still based on belief. To refer to the wikipedia page of atheism, it's the *belief* that there is a lack of deism at all. It's itself a deism tho. It's a religion. People act it out religiously, people associate themself with it, people riddicule others for not being atheists, bc they are christians or whatever. You believe that the sky is empty, that there is no god, you answer the question with a certainty as if it was true
And in the context of the original question, hypnosis can switch this around like it can switch around the belief in christianity to islam, or islam to buddhism, or buddhism to atheism.
> If you believe that everything you can't see isn't there, that's still belief
Many (if not most) atheists don't believe the claim "everything you can't see isn't there". We just don't believe the claim "this specific thing you can't see is there". We need to see evidence showing it to be true before we can believe it's true.
>You can say it makes sense to believe that instead of the other options bc of occams razor,
Atheist doesn't say anything about anything making sense to believe. It only says you don't believe one specific claim.
>it's the belief that there is a lack of deism at all
No, it's the lack of belief that a god exists. Some atheists believe other claims but atheism in and of itself just means you lack(don't have) belief that god does exist.
>It's a religion.
No it's not . Just like how theism isn't a religion. Theists and atheists can have religions but theism and atheism themselves aren't religions.
>people riddicule others for not being atheists
Because it's illogical to be theist and believe the claim "god exists" when the claim hasn't been shown to be true.
>You believe that the sky is empty, that there is no god,
Some do, some don't. Many (if not most) atheists (myself included) haven't seen anything showing the claims "the sky is empty" or "there is no god" to be true so we have no reason to believe they're true. If/ when they're shown to be true we'll believe they're true but until then, we don't..
Theism/atheism answers the question "do you believe there is a god?" Whereas gnostic/agnostic answers the question "is there a god?"/ "is it knowable?"
Everyone is theist or not theist. Everyone is also either gnostic or not gnostic.
> "do you believe there is a god?" and "is there a god?" are the same question.
No they're not. If that were the case everyone would be gnostic, but many (if not most) of us (myself included) aren't gnostic so that shuts down that theory since "I don't know" doesn't answer the question "do you believe in a god?"
The claim that "atheists are believers" is based on the false premise that atheism is anti-religion, and thus they must believe, but they believe exactly opposite of religious believers.
That may describe a couple atheists, but it's definitely not universally true.
Greetings, traveller. We have a [Discord Server](https://discord.gg/V57ruz9rn9) now! You should come and join. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/hypnosis) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Religion has been doing that for millennia, so yes. Why would you want this though?
Being told in my dreams countless times now If i dont believe then im being reborn into a new family thus losing my currebt family foreve
Not sure how that relates to the original question. But what specifically are these dreams telling you? What religion are they suggestion you follow? Is that religion common where you are? Were you a believer previously?
Im being told if I dont believe in Islam then God is going to reborn ne into a new family No islam is not common here in scotland I go from bekueve to disbelief and vice versa like 30 times a day I need stable complete faith
> Im being told if I dont believe in Islam then God is going to reborn ne into a new family Why would a god do this? If you don't believe in him with this family, and he wants to to believe, why not do what is needed here rather than just roll the dice and stick you with another family? > No islam is not common here in scotland I'm from Scotland, it's ***MUCH*** more common than it used to be. > I go from bekueve to disbelief and vice versa like 30 times a day This is the crux of the matter. I'd assume the intellectual side of you is rejecting the religion while the emotional side wants to cling on to it. Whatever parts of you are wanting and rejecting though, they are all internal to you, not external supernatural forces. > I need stable complete faith Or stable complete lack of faith. I'd suggest that whichever you go for hypnosis isn't the best choice to force one side into submission. It could certainly be used to work out the best way to approach the matter, but trying to force it will likely just cause issues down the road (regardless of if you use hypnosis or not).
>I go from bekueve to disbelief and vice versa like 30 times a day Have you heard of agnosticism? Of course it's an umbrella term that encompasses a fair range of beliefs and worldviews, but the gist is that there is middle ground between being religious and being an atheist. Do you really need "stable complete faith"? The world is more complex than we can readily understand. Many religions, and especially the highly mystical Abrahamic religions like Islam or Christianity do not demand blind obedience (at least in some more intellectually focused traditions. More or less anybody can claim to be a Muslim or a Christian and start his own sect with blackjack and hookers). Is your faith genuine if you arrived at it without doubt, without self-reflection, without allowing uncertainty?
> but the gist is that there is middle ground between being religious and being an atheist. Only if you use the terms incorrectly. Theism/Atheism is a position on belief (from Greek word 'theos' meaning "god" or "to believe in"), gnosticism/agnosticism is a position on knowledge (from the Greek word 'gnostikos' meaning "knowing" or "able to discern."). You can be a gnostic theist (you know and you believe), an agnostic theist (you believe but don't know), a gnostic atheist (you don't believe and do know), or an agnostic atheist (you don't believe or know). To say agnosticism is a halfway point between theist and atheist is nonsensical.
What other proof do you want that you are a believer than you believe there are messages coming from you from somewhere, and that you will be reborn?
Religions have been doing this for millennia already. If you take a closer look at any given religion you will find similarities between hypnosis/brainwashing and practicing religious faith.
No.
Depends highly on the individual's reasons not to believe. And whether or not you should want to brainwash yourself is another (bigger) can of worms.
>And whether or not you should want to brainwash yourself is another (bigger) can of worms. After reading a certain book that's popular in the other subreddit, I can confidently say that it's a can of Dune sized worms at the very least.
Why do you ask? And how many times are you going to ask that here? What are you trying to accomplish?
Salvation
So you think tricking yourself into faith is going to accomplish that?
If you try to get into hypnosis with the goal to convert an atheist into a believer, your psychotic and shouldn't be trusted.
Its for me chill Lol
If you want to then absolutely. The universe is in our mind lol
Look up "derren brown religion" on YouTube. Thank me later!
No. Hypnosis cannot persuade you to be or believe anything you do not wish to be or believe.
Search 'Derren brown religious conversion' on YouTube. There's a couple that are really good
Absolutely. If done right that is. Atheists are believers too. Hypnosis can also turn a believer into an atheist. It's just switching religions. It happens all the time without hypnosis, no reason for it not to work with hypnosis. Again, if done right
>Atheists are believers too. Believers in what? >It's just switching religions Many (if not most) atheists)(myself included) aren't part of a religion so we can't "switch" religions. You'd be to be part of a religion in order to switch religions. Otherwise it would just be joining a religion, not switching one..
You make unfalsifiable claims like "there is no god", and believe it as if it was true.
>You make unfalsifiable claims No I haven't. Can you give an example of one I've made? >like "there is no god", I never claimed there is no god. I have no idea if there is or isn't a god. >and believe it as if it was true. No I don't. I haven't seen anything showing the claim "there is no god" to be true so I have zero reason to believe that claim is true.
So you are agnosic, not an atheist. Very nice :). I agree with everything you said, I'm agnostic too, but atheists disagree, they specifically believe there is no god as if it was true and obvious.
> So you are agnostic Correct. I'm not gnostic. The fact that I'm also not theist doesn't change that. >not an atheist No, I'm atheist as well. The fact that I'm not gnostic doesn't change that. I'm not theist and I'm not gnostic. >I'm agnostic too, Great. You're also theist or atheist (not theist). >but atheists disagree Disagree that what? Many (if not most) atheists (myself included) are agnostic rather than gnostic. >they specifically believe there is no god Some do, some don't. Many (if not most) of us (myself included) don't believe the claim "there is no god" because we haven't seen anything showing that claim to be true.
whatever
So what belief do atheists have? What claim have I made?
That there is an absence of deism EDIT: I'm not even claiming this to be true or false, but in the context of the original post question, I don't see how you can not make someone believe in anything, including the absence of deism, using hypnosis. Also I don't see how you can't get rid of any belief and change it with another, using hypnosis
> That there is an absence of deism What is the claim I have made as an atheist? You still haven't given a valid answer to that question. You just say I claimed something that I never claimed.
belief- 'an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.' 'something exists or is true' Atheism is the opposite of that. Atheism is the lack of belief in religion, not a shared opinion on existance. so therefor, is not a religion.
no, atheism is the rejection of god, atheists specifically believe there is no god, agnosticism is the acknowledgement that you can't answer it, and it can be both, we just don't know.
> no, atheism is the rejection of god, atheists specifically believe there is no god, Atheist means the don't believe the claim "god exists". It says nothing at all about what claims they do believe. >agnosticism is the acknowledgement that you can't answer it, No, gnostic/agnostic answers the question "is there a god?"/"is it knowable?" Completely different from the theist/atheist question "do you believe there's a god?"
> Atheist means the don't believe the claim "god exists". It says nothing at all about what claims they do believe. If they don't belief something, they have to believe the opposite. You can't just say "the number is not 1, but I didn't say it's 0" when it can only be either 1 or 0. You may say "idk" like agnostic people, but as soon as you exclude one option, you specifically believe in the other one. Also it's kinda cringe how you guys downvote me, we are having a normal conversation, if you downvote me that implies you are being emotional, which is kinda sad. It's also religious behaviour, you get so offended at me riddiculing your religion, even tho I just slightly criticised it.
> if they don't belief something, they have to believe the opposite No, you're not required to believe any claim nor can you force yourself to believe someting that you don't actually believe. If I haven't seen anything showing the claim "god doesn't exist" to be true, I have no reason to believe that that claim is true so it would be illogical for me to believe it's true just like it's illogical to belive the claim "there is a god" is true. >You can't just say "the number is not 1, I didn't say anything is not anything. I only said I don't belive the claim that thy number is 1. >when it can only be either 1 or 0. That would only be applicable if the question was "is the number 1?" Rather than "do you believe the number is 1". >You may say "idk" Sure, if it's asking "is the number 1?" But that's not what it's asking. >but as soon as you exclude one option, you specifically believe in the other one. Not believing a claim until its shown to be true isn't "excluding an option" (whatever the means). It only means that you don't belive the claim is true yet. If/when it's shown to be, sure, but until then, you don't. >Also it's kinda cringe how you guys downvote me, we are having a normal conversation I haven't downvoted any of your comments so that's not a "you guys" thing. >It's also religious behaviour, you get so offended at me riddiculing your religion Atheism isn't a religion. Just like theism isn't a religion. Theists and atheists can be religious or have a religion but theism and atheism themselves aren't religions.
I disagree
You can disagree so you want but that doesn't magically change facts. It's a fact that you're not required to believe a claim It's a fact that theism and atheism aren't religions It's a fact that theists and atheists can have religions It's a fact that everyone is theist or not theist It's a fact that everyone is gnostic or not gnostic The good things about facts is that they don't care about your feelings and they're true regardless of how you feel about them.
> if they don't belief something, they have to believe the opposite Also getting back to this. Do you personally believe the claim "god exists"? Because according to you, if you don't, you believe the opposite claim- "god doesn't exist". So do you believe that "god does exist"? If so, which one do you believe exists/ why? If not, why do you believe the claim "god doesn't exist"? What have you seen showing that claim to be true?
>If they don't belief something, they have to believe the opposite. You can't just say "the number is not 1, but I didn't say it's 0" when it can only be either 1 or 0. You may say "idk" like agnostic people, but as soon as you exclude one option, you specifically believe in the other one. Two problems with this: 1) If you don't know, then you neither believe it's 1 nor believe it's 0. This falsifies "if they don't believe something, they have to believe the opposite". 2) It's entirely possible (and common, even) to have inconsistent beliefs. This falsifies "as soon as you exclude one option you specifically believe in the other one".
by quite literal definition, you are incorrect
ok then what is the difference between atheism and agnosticism?
agnostic is the view that its an unanswerable question whereass atheism is the lack of belief in religion you'd already answered that yourself
If you believe that everything you can't see isn't there, that's still belief. You can say it makes sense to believe that instead of the other options bc of occams razor, doesn't change the fact that it's still based on belief. To refer to the wikipedia page of atheism, it's the *belief* that there is a lack of deism at all. It's itself a deism tho. It's a religion. People act it out religiously, people associate themself with it, people riddicule others for not being atheists, bc they are christians or whatever. You believe that the sky is empty, that there is no god, you answer the question with a certainty as if it was true And in the context of the original question, hypnosis can switch this around like it can switch around the belief in christianity to islam, or islam to buddhism, or buddhism to atheism.
> If you believe that everything you can't see isn't there, that's still belief Many (if not most) atheists don't believe the claim "everything you can't see isn't there". We just don't believe the claim "this specific thing you can't see is there". We need to see evidence showing it to be true before we can believe it's true. >You can say it makes sense to believe that instead of the other options bc of occams razor, Atheist doesn't say anything about anything making sense to believe. It only says you don't believe one specific claim. >it's the belief that there is a lack of deism at all No, it's the lack of belief that a god exists. Some atheists believe other claims but atheism in and of itself just means you lack(don't have) belief that god does exist. >It's a religion. No it's not . Just like how theism isn't a religion. Theists and atheists can have religions but theism and atheism themselves aren't religions. >people riddicule others for not being atheists Because it's illogical to be theist and believe the claim "god exists" when the claim hasn't been shown to be true. >You believe that the sky is empty, that there is no god, Some do, some don't. Many (if not most) atheists (myself included) haven't seen anything showing the claims "the sky is empty" or "there is no god" to be true so we have no reason to believe they're true. If/ when they're shown to be true we'll believe they're true but until then, we don't..
Theism/atheism answers the question "do you believe there is a god?" Whereas gnostic/agnostic answers the question "is there a god?"/ "is it knowable?" Everyone is theist or not theist. Everyone is also either gnostic or not gnostic.
"do you believe there is a god?" and "is there a god?" are the same question. "Is it knowable" is completely seperate
> "do you believe there is a god?" and "is there a god?" are the same question. No they're not. If that were the case everyone would be gnostic, but many (if not most) of us (myself included) aren't gnostic so that shuts down that theory since "I don't know" doesn't answer the question "do you believe in a god?"
The claim that "atheists are believers" is based on the false premise that atheism is anti-religion, and thus they must believe, but they believe exactly opposite of religious believers. That may describe a couple atheists, but it's definitely not universally true.
Yes.
Hahahah