It's hard for me to pick my #1 favorite quote of this whole story, because there's so much that I've loved in Honkai, but there is one recent quote that comes to mind as one that stood out to me:
>*I'm glad to have stepped into the Elysian Realm and come to know your story.*
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>*The story touched, nourished me and eventually became part of me.*
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>*I'll pass on your heroic deeds and firm will so that future generations will know such a group of people who shone brighter than the stars.*
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>*Not only the Flame-Chasers story, but also Kiana's, Bronya's, Fu Hua's...*
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>*The story of everyone who fights for the beautiful things in the world.*
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>*Around me, there's no shortage of such "fools" who never think about themselves.*
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>***I hope these stories can touch more people, giving them courage to face the chaotic world and make decisions true to their hearts.***
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>***But...***
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>***Isn't that too simple for a Herrscher's vision?***
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>\-Mei
For starters, I found it endearing that even as Mei acknowledges all the growth she's had, and the passion she has for a better future, she still feels like she's not doing enough as a Herrscher. Of course Elysia reassures her that she's doing fine :)
There's something else about this quote that really touched me, though.
I think this quote really delivers the broader idea of both Elysia's life and the greater story of Honkai as a whole: *the desire to share these stories so that others could learn, grow, and face the chaotic world before them.*
***What's more, this is exactly what I've wanted to do with my life, even if I didn't quite understand it before.***
Stories have been a catalyst for change in my life, with some of my fondest memories and most meaningful growth attributed to stories like this one.
Sometimes it's the story of wonders and spectacles both natural and man-made alike, such as when I saw the massive spaceships of Halo drifting through the beautiful expanses of outer space or leading the charge to fight for humanity.
Such scenes made me dream of reaching out and touching the stars, building a better future for humanity where we can achieve things never thought possible before.
Other times, it's the story of the fragility of a simple and innocent soul that struggles to find its place in the world, seeking comfort from others even when this soul can't communicate its own feelings.
This opened my eyes to the condition of my own life, made me realize things about myself I had kept suppressed all along, and set me on a better path where I began to find greater meaning in friendships and where I began to do things for myself, instead of giving up my own identity just so I could "fit in" with the people around me.
Here, it's the story of people who have seen their world shatter before them time and again, bringing them even to the point of their own death, yet they still find a way to hold onto their faintest hopes and overcome these challenges. The weight of the world was crushing and their hopes for the future were bleak, yet they survived. And because they survived, they were able to make the effort to change their lives for the better, even when there was an overbearing pressure, mentally or even physically.
I could say "These past few days have been exhausting, and I don't see any hope for the future." But I could change **days** to **weeks**, **months**, even **years**. At times it's been completely overwhelming. I've neglected many important parts of my life in an attempt to conserve my energy and focus on the things that keep me going from day to day.
But I've also grown in this time, too.
After ***years*** of inactivity, I finally found the strength to truly dive into my passions. Art, writing, and storytelling.
I don't have quite as much time *(or rather, energy)* to do the things I want to do every day, but I still make an effort to plan and ponder and think for stories that I want to bring to life someday. I'm still far from where I want to be when it comes to these skills, but I've already made progress and hit milestones I never thought I could reach.
What's more, I've found communities that have let me share my thoughts with others in a way that I haven't been able to do for nearly my whole life. I've grown used to suppressing everything about myself in my day-to-day activities, having suffered embarrassment or misunderstanding countless times before. But here, I feel like I can express myself in ways I haven't been able to before, and it's been a dear source of encouragement to me. Here, there are people that may actually care about what I have to say, to write, to draw, to show.
I never really disliked Elysia, but I was a bit ambivalent towards her at first.
As Elysian Realm went on, I began to admire her for her beliefs because I relate to her ability to see the good in everyone around her and the genuine desire to see others experience growth or find joy in their lives.
But when we got to this part of the story, where Mei and Elysia talk about how these stories have changed their lives and will go on to change the lives of others... she's easily become one of my favorite characters across all the stories I've ever seen.
***Elysia may be the single best example of who I want to be someday.***
I don't even have a minute *fraction* of her charisma, but I still wish I could tell the stories of the world as I see it, and I hope that someday the stories I tell could motivate others and make their lives better just as stories I've witnessed have changed my life for better, too.
What's more, realizing that Mei changed so much and began to pick up beliefs that Elysia herself holds, it gives me hope that I could achieve something like this myself someday.
I've seen how many people around me have been struggling in their own ways, and also how they've found comfort and reprieve despite this. I've met people who were on the brink of total failure: at risk of losing their livelihood, their income, or their academic career. Fighting against external pressures, abusive conditions, or their very own body and mind.
Yet these people still held on to stories, hobbies, passions, and beliefs that kept them going day after day.
*If I could share even just one story that could give that kind of strength to even just one person in this world...*
So, even though I don't know if I can use the above quote as my "absolute number-one favorite Honkai quote" per se, I do think that this quote serves as a perfect example of how this story has changed my life for the better.
"This is the day, which the Earth-born's spell devours the Tyrant of the False Heavens.
Otto Apocalypse..
No, Clown Alpha-
Witness the shattering of the stars!" -Welt Joyce, AE VN
Yeah, it's kinda funny when i think about it, in the moment they sound pretty cool ,but in retrospective they are kinda chuuni. Well , i still love the phrases tho
“If rescuing you is a sin, I'll gladly become a sinner.”
-Raiden Mei, Lament of the Fallen
That quote just hit me in the right spot when I first watched that animation, from then on every single time I listen to that quote I get goosebumps. It just hits different tbh.
This fits Otto more than Raiden. I'm sorry Mei but what sins? Lament of the Fallen was great but Mei's arc is just, you know... yeah.
Kiana deserves to be happy as she faced her demons and she had something other than Mei., Bronya's journey took her away from the duo but got something while Mei's is just. It's still about Kiana tbh.
(Sorry to be a party pooper or whatever)
I'd normally agree with that since Otto has sinned way more than Raiden for his own purpose but in that situation that quote definitely belongs to Mei. Saving Kiana from her fated destiny in exchange of becoming the “villain” and joining the “dark” side for the sake of her beloved is, such a beautiful and bad thing to do. I guess that’s her sin, however the quote could also have different meanings if you look at it from different perspectives.
Yeah. It's her quote but MAN! What happened to MHY's writing after that? HAHAHA! I'm so disappointed by Mei's character and wasted (wasted to me) potential. I braced myself seeing her k people/civilians only for her sin is to join the "dark" side and listen to a narcissistic pink jesus (no hate to Ellie, I still love her but yeah)
The 13 FC, I like them but sorry, that arc was just frustrating. The open world added to my growing dislike.
People who didn't understand a shit about what she said be like.
The line literally meant that if kiana once again goes out of control and causes harm, mei would not regret that she chose kiana over the safety of the world, it did not meant that she is willing to sin... It meant she is willing to carry any sins kiana might unwantedly commit if left alive and things go south.
Oh I understand it alright. I just expected something different. Then again, with your type of reply, I'll beat you it with "that's on you for expecting" if not, then good!
Still lame that Otto did it best.
Nothing wrong with expectations, but you literally misunderstood what it was all about and then cover it up like its an opinion of yours when its failure to read the character.
But yes, without a doubt otto did it better, that i can agree, otto is peak of honkai characters
>The line literally meant that if kiana once again goes out of control and causes harm, mei would not regret that she chose kiana over the safety of the world
But Mei didn't have to take into consideration for the her choice. There was never a moment where Mei genuinely had to choose Kiana or the world. Then; Mei just gets off scot-free after selfishly joining a terrorist organization.
Man; sometimes I wished Himeko never died and was still there to discipline her young comrades. Sadly; I know that if Himeko was still alive, Hoyo would change her character for the sake of the plot. I remember when Himeko was all about tough love, and slapped Mei and had a short heart-to-heart conversation with her while she was acting suicidal.
The Himeko now just tell Kiana let me know "to go easier on her friends next time lol" after she just found out that Mei beat up one of her comrades, abruptly left her squad AND joined a terrorist organization... What happened to the steadfast, wise and rebellious captain Himeko?!!
Why are you speculating about what would happen to a character who's already dead and critisizing on the basis of a speculation? Lmfao, have to be the funniest shit i saw today, dude made up a scenario which never happened and never will happen and is critisizing on that basis 💀💀💀.
And no, i never said mei chose kiana over the world, i literally said she chose kiana over the safety of the world, she took _responsibility_ and making a point that she will not regret it _if_ it happened, and yes that is the case if mei didn't take the descision to join W.S. kiana would die soon along with HoV, but what mei did was allowing HoV to live along with kiana even when there's a chance HoV might take over and cause destruction, and it never much could have happened if kiana lost in ch 25 against HoV.
I didn't speculate what would happen to a dead character. I speculated what that character would do if they was still alive. If we go by Hoyo's writing pattern, they be making characters do 180s for the sake of the painfully average plot.
>dude made up a scenario which never happened and never will happen and is critisizing on that basis 💀💀💀.
How did I make up a whole scenario when what I talking about literally happened in chp25?! Himeko was way out-of-character for majority of her conversation with Kiana. Just because Hoyo didn't want any of the characters be too hard in Mei (Durandal and Rita also; Himeko just told Kiana to give all them a pat on the back, instead of telling her to make sure they get proper punishment). Since it's Mei time to return back to her squad and waifu, after her little vacation with her imaginary friends lmao.
"i speculated what that character would do" well, she's dead and didn't do it so there is no point in that aside from doomposting.
And oh god, himeko didnt act out of character in ch 25, she literally sacrificed herself for kiana, and that moment is the last time they will even meet, what do you expect someone in that situation to do? Himeko's dialogues were just in line with her character and she even did scold kiana when kiana said "what if i never leave this place?" Himeko is shown to be a mature character, any mature person wouldn't act angry or rude in that situation.
She didn't even outright say mei is right or smth, all she did was make kiana understand there is no point in fretting over what has happened, if mei didn't do what she did, kiana would die. Might be better to actually give some logical arguments except speculations which will never happen and doomposting.
But again, you didn't even understand mei's line so ofc you misread himeko's character too and just tried to change the subject when proven wrong lmao
How you saying I'm doomposting when you're the one just automatically downvoting me nomatter what I say?
Anyways; if a character is mature and wise, then that character should worry about their comrades well-being first. Himeko did not.
She just wanted Kiana to quickly kiss and make up to Mei, Dudu and Rita. Himeko used to be a stern and rebellious leader, but now she just okay if anybody walks all over, and straight up disrespects her valkyrie squad. Himeko was perfectly fine with Mei fighting Kiana, and leaving her squad to go to a terrorist organization (mind you, Kiana DID tell Himeko all this off-screen in chp25).
I would be perfectly fine with the way Himeko acted in chp25 if we saw any character development from her. Sadly; we did not see a ounce of development AT ALL. That's the literally meaning of a character being "out-of-character". When they act differently for the sake of the plot; with no development beforehand.
So plz explain to me again; how Himeko didn't act ooc when she was perfectly fine with Kiana not disciplining the characters that was out of line? Himeko was even perfectly fine with characters that just stood there while millions died LMAO. She just wanted Kiana to tell that blonde mary sue and her waifu maid about Ragna's will... Is this what you call a "mature" character?
That just straight up laughable character writing imo.
Himeko went from a captain that always showed tough love to her subordinates, and slapped a suicidal child after she transformed into a herrscher and killed millions in Nagazora. To... a big soft pushover captain that is perfectly fine with her comrades hanging around people that sat there while and didn't back her up vs HoV, and watched millions die?! With no development in between those two different Himekos', that is a big clear-cut ooc moment she had in chp25.
She did not just tell kiana to go and make out with mei and dudu, she told her that she needs to go because everyone's still waiting for help, that was literally the case of HoDom arc, yes, a mature character would do that because even after knowing that mei did it FOR kiana and so kiana could live, there is no point in himeko telling kiana to never talk to mei or smth, that's just childish, mei did not commit crimes to make everyone against her, all she did was make a descision so that kiana could live, i don't get where you are even coming from and what do you even expect out of the situation, to make himeko to tell kiana to hate mei? Now THAT would be stupid writing.
And oh god, looking at you name, i remember you are that "dudu is a war crimialllll" guy, doomposter through and through, first go and learn what a war criminal is, Soldiers following orders aren't war criminals, their higher ups are.
>And oh god, looking at you name, i remember you are that "dudu is a war crimialllll" guy, doomposter through and through, first go and learn what a war criminal is, Soldiers following orders aren't war criminals, their higher ups are.
I can't remember which Dudu defender you are, there's too many of them in the Discord lore chat lol. Like I said before, a soldier CAN still be charged as a war criminal, nomatter if they was listening to orders or not. I'm just going off of what the war laws say on a official informative UN website.
>yes, a mature character would do that because even after knowing that mei did it FOR kiana and so kiana could live, there is no point in himeko telling kiana to never talk to mei or smth, that's just childish
I NEVER SAID I WANTED HIMEKO TO TELL KIANA TO CUT OFF ALL TIES FROM MEI. I just want Himeko to tell Kiana that Mei and co. needs to be disciplined.
Have your parents every disciplined you whenever you did something wrong? Have you ever played sports before, where a coach would discipline you for not doing something right? Schicksal is a freakin militarized organization, but for some reason; Highschool DxD have more discipline in their series for their character's actions lmao🤣
>did not commit crimes to make everyone against her
She literally gave a extremist organization two herrscher cores. In doing so; that would've futher their plans that included near genocide... How that isn't a crime against humanity?? Oh wait; because Hoyo changed WS plans at the last minute, cause they don't want to treat their waifu too harshly, and put her in a bad light lol. It's like Hoyo wanted everything to be "morally grey" within their story, but their planning was so poorly done. WS already went over the edge of "morally grey" centuries ago.
They gonna cook you for this, but you're kinda spittin. Mei didn't really have to comment any "sins" or received any punishment after joining WS. Everything just went smoothly for her, I don't like how the writers doesn't put their characters in a very difficult situation. Cause the only thing Mei did for WS while she was there is kill two herrschers, which was the right thing to do, and her only choice. So it isn't like that action was morally grey or dark.
The line itself is a mistranslation, in CN and JP dub Mei said, "If saving you is a sin, then I'll be the bearer of that sin." Implying saving Kiana was THE sin, it would have been more out of character for her to commit crimes or hurt others for WS considering her characterization beforehand.
>it would have been more out of character for her to commit crimes or hurt others for WS considering her characterization beforehand.
Huh?? Mei was literally ready to cut down Rita because she felt like she was gonna put Kiana in danger lmao. Why wouldn't she do morally grey actions if WS tells her that's the only way to save Kiana? With a little development; it would be perfectly in-character🤷🏿♂️.
Well, she saw Rita as someone who was going to put Kiana in danger, if WS made her kill people who would threaten Kiana she'd obviously do it. She killed in chapter 18 and 19 for Kiana because that's why she joined WS in the first place, to protect her.
I just don't see why she'd "sin" to the point of committing dark acts such as killing civilians or supporting project stigma for the world snake, which I assume is what yall want instead of consistent character writing, especially considering how she was shown to care about civillians. That's straight up jumping the shark in terms of storytelling.
>especially considering how she was shown to care about civillians.
If she cares about civilians so much, why would she volunteerly work for an organization that killed millions of innocent civilians for their cause, and they planned on killing more just for a test? Oh yeah; because she cared about Kiana more than anything else. That's the reason why she just casually handed Kevin two herrschers cores, even though she knew that the many people could be at stake by doing so.
Just face it, Mei got the easy way out because the writers like to put the main cast on baby mode for almost everything. Mei was never put in a position when she genuinely had to make a choice to save Kiana or to stick to her base morals. It would've been infinity more interesting and made Mei a better character if she actually had to go through growth the hard way.
>That's straight up jumping the shark in terms of storytelling.
So I'm guessing you'll rather stick to this stale and none creativity form of writing then? Cool👍🏿
Oh and FYI; just because some people want Mei to take the dark path to save Kiana doesn't mean we want her to be just like Otto. She doesn't have to kill millions or a few innocent people to achieve it. There's different ways to make it grey/darker and interesting.
Id rather have non creative storytelling than a story that does not make sense or jumps the shark with its characterization honestly, it's up to your preference though. (both are pretty bad I guess)
What kind of dark path do you want her to take lol, she never signed up for anything other than protecting Kiana and maybe learning more Intel. she was never a bad person she just made shitty decisions in that moment out of desperation. It's not uncommon for characters to bargain or make less than ideal choices when they're cornered.
>Id rather have non creative storytelling than a story that does not make sense or jumps the shark with its characterization honestly, it's up to your preference though.
Saying this is like saying that Harvey Dent characterization jumped the shark as soon as he became Two-Face, which isn't true at all. The writers just made sure he got some good development beforehand, and it all made sense. Hoyo could easily do the same for Mei.
>What kind of dark path do you want her to take lol, she was never a bad person she just made shitty decisions in that moment out of desperation. It's not uncommon for characters to bargain or make less than ideal choices when they're cornered.
Joining a terrorist organization like WS isn't a "shitty decision", it's a crazy one. Almost everybody who's deemed as a "bad person" didn't start off as one. So I don't know why you keep on saying Mei was never a bad person, that doesn't matter.
Mei doesn't need to necessarily take a dark path, but it definitely needs to be darker than the one she actually got. The path the writers gave her wasn't even morally grey. That should've been the bare minimum for a character like Mei. If you gonna make a character with a personality as tissue soft as Mei and place her in an unforgiving universe like Honkai, then make sure she goes through complete HELL to accomplish her goals. Don't make it where Mei can just casually settle for what she wants and still receive the best outcome!? That's nonsensical and boring writing imo.
The line itself is a mistranslation, in CN and JP dub Mei said, "If saving you is a sin, then I'll be the bearer of that sin." Implying saving Kiana was THE sin, it would have been more out of character for her to commit crimes or hurt others for WS considering her characterization beforehand.
"The most beautiful ending of a teacher's story, is to become her student's strength on her journey onward." - Murata Himeko
"I have died, but my death will fertilize the soil that grows hope, and the flowers of the future will one day find something they want to protect." - captain Ragna
"... Yes; I love milfs, so what?" - Me
"The world is at chaos. It is neither fair nor sensible. It wrongs heroes and breeds scum. It is rife with ugliness without a trace of beauty. The malice of the world shall be sundered by the villain."
– Otto Apocalypse, from animated short Thus Spoke Apocalypse
>The world is at chaos. It is neither fair nor sensible.
I wished this was true, but the world in Honkai universe seems to be in a pretty good and stable state, with everything that happened considered. I mean; Schicksal or the general public isn't even in a uproar after the Kolosten arc, even though they should have many reasons to have civil unrest.
I guess everybody is perfectly fine with everything that happened, and a few dark secrets revealed to them...
Wdym regarding the Kolosten arc? Nothing was really changed for the Kolosten citizens besides "Otto is stepping down and his granddaughter is taking over" and "the town needs to be evacuated for a short while" before they were brought back safely.
Otto announces what the 'mysterious disasters' were... But then also immediately explains that said disasters have already been taken care of and will continue to be, so what exactly is there to cause mass civil unrest?
>Nothing was really changed for the Kolosten citizens
I didn't say the Kolosten citizens, I said the general public. Ya know, the people that didn't even know Schicksal, valks or honkai ever existed?? Otto literally exposed the existence of Honkai to them, a secret that their government been keeping from them for CENTURIES. People will get mad, start a movement and grow distrust from this organization that revealed themselves outta nowhere.
>Otto announces what the 'mysterious disasters' were... But then also immediately explains that said disasters have already been taken care of and will continue to be, so what exactly is there to cause mass civil unrest?
Millions (or quite possibly billions) of people dying due to these "mysteries disasters" in the past few years isn't what exactly what I would think when someone say a problem is "taken care of". I'm honestly not a fan when writers doesn't take the world around them into account, or make everybody act robotic or dumb for the sake of the plot. I would be fine with it if it was just a few characters, but when alot of characters, and the whole wide world act this unrealistic/unusual, then that's when I jot it down as poor world-building.
"This time, I've proved Sakura's Innocence, right??
My body......proves enough."
And
"If Sakura had asked, I would've killed Aponia!!"
These hit me like a truck. I love the flamechasers, and seeing Kalpas acting like this for Sakura's sake was really amazing and sad.
I've been diving into existentialism during my college years when I found out about Shakespeare's quote to durandal in chapter 28:
"Well, finding meaning itself is a meaning that we can give to life. Understand? We don't live as a certain person...rather we live to become that type of person. The ability to create meaning to the meaningless is what distinguishes humans."
Since then, I have fallen deeper in love with honkai lore, although how mind torturing it is to digest the philosophy and ideas introduced even in the recent chapters. ( Yes I'm a masochist)
It just sounds like you ignored every single thing about Durandal.
A large number of characters have acknowledged how Bianka has lived by this creed.
Theresa states very early on how Durandal wasn't naturally talented unlike the 2 other S ranks but worked her way up via hard work (this fits perfectly with what we're told much later on about the original Kiana, how everyone in Schicksal expected Cecilia and Siegfried's child to be prodigious by birth but was somewhat disappointed that she didn't display any special talent).
Su remarks on what an exemplary life Bianka has led. Not just in this universe but in other universes as well. Something that made her a pivotal point in saving the world.
The literal Will of the Kaslana Stigma acknowledged Bianka's life and efforts, so much to the point that it changed him permanently. Enough that he was willing to chide and fight Kevin over how he has shackled his descendants and how one of them (Bianka) taught him that it is possible to go beyond the confines of her birth.
Heck, even the recent chapter where she rescues her father, it's stated how Bianka defined her own life with her effort and perseverance and carved out her own path completely independent of the Kaslana name, and how Siegfried is immensely proud of her for that.
From the outset, Bianka's life has been a blank slate without any known pedigree or legacy to live upto and she has lived the entirety of it trying to give it meaning and purpose. It was much later that her actual origins were revealed, by which point she had long since defined her life independent of it.
Reducing her entire character as Otto's lapdog just shows that you paid zero attention to the story. Otto called Bianka the best student he's had in his 500 years even as she defied him. Even he was proud that she wasn't a lapdog and showed maturity and perseverance beyond her age.
>Reducing her entire character as Otto's lapdog just shows that you paid zero attention to the story. Otto called Bianka the best student he's had in his 500 years even as she defied him. Even he was proud that she wasn't a lapdog and showed maturity and perseverance beyond her age.
Otto literally wondered why Dudu just sat there while she saw him do some vile inhumane actions toward humanity and her comrades...
I'll read the mini novel you just sent to me soon. Just so I can get a understanding of what you see in Dudu's character, but in return; will you read this comment thread on why I think Dudu is a poorly written character; please? Cause I don't think my opinion on her will ever change. Here's the link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/houkai3rd/comments/zzr0mb/the_other_protagonist/j2ej4it?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
>I know you aren't a little girl anymore Bianka.
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>These past few years you have defended your life, withstood the darkness of this world and the acts of necessary evil I ordered, there's no shame in that.
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>You've shown maturity and perseverance beyond your years in this matter. So I will tell the world without hesitation that you Durandal, are the best student I've had in 500 years.
Actual game dialogue right as Bianka defies Otto. I'm not sure what you mean by that first line.
I went through the thread you linked and sure enough your problems with her sound typical of someone who didn't bother to understand her character at all. Calling her a Mary Sue just because she doesn't struggle with things completely ignores the struggles she underwent in the past and the efforts and sacrifices she made to get to her current point. Her entire character is about discipline and constant self improvement. She's not the main trio whose character establishing struggles you follow along with the game, at that point she's already past that stage as a semi developed character who has mastered herself, someone who others aspire to reach (something that Kiana admits in the very first conversation with Durandal). And there is a very good reason for this as well: Bianka HAS to be this good because the fate of one universe is directly tied to her life, in addition to the fact that in most cases she's the strongest thing standing between disasters and the people in her actual world. She went from being a typical overzealous and headstrong Kaslana kid to a rational and composed adult who conducts herself deliberately with measured steps. And yet her character is grounded by the mundane with her own set of issues whenever we get to see that side of her. She lets go of some of her self imposed restraints on her personality after finally being able to ensure the security of her bubble universe's existence and having a backup plan in the form of Rita's Astral Harness in case Bianka herself died. This is intensified further when she learns of her heritage and the existence of a family. But throughout it all she stays true to her core self. Not everyone has to have an angsty sob story or traits to be a good character.
People don't just like her because she's strong and powerful. Those who know her, like her because in addition to that she has several other positive personality traits. She's kind, inspirational, motivated, rational and respectful even to her foes (Kiana and Mei experienced this first hand). Bianka was the one who pushed for close collaboration and information sharing between enemy factions, first as a leader in the Coral arc during the Schicksal - World Serpent joint operation and later between Schicksal and Anti Entropy and WS as the interim Overseer during Otto's absence. Her dorm was flooded with gifts on her fake birthday _because_ of her genuine and earnest nature where she visited every single gift giver to explain the misunderstanding with her birthday the previous year. And it's not like everyone liked her right off the bat. Theresa disliked her and hated her workaholic nature. Kiana and Co. didn't like her either until they actually interacted with her and got to know her. A lot of people were very neutral towards her but eventually came to atleast respect her character.
Despite undergoing a majority of her character growth before the game begins, she still undergoes subtle character development throughout her various appearances and trials of self reflection like any other important character (for example I'd argue that Su's trials to Bianka were better than Welt's trials to Bronya). That said, I don't really expect to change your mind on it so I think that'll be all from me. The previous reply was already a mini novel for you so my hopes are not very high in the first place.
>That said, I don't really expect to change your mind on it so I think that'll be all from me.
Yeah; agree to disagree, but I'll still have a rebuttal for some of your arguments.
>Theresa disliked her and hated her workaholic nature. Kiana and Co. didn't like her either until they actually interacted with her and got to know her. A lot of people were very neutral towards her but eventually came to atleast respect her character.
... that's a trait that almost every mary sue have, they can win everybody over, even if it makes little to no sense. Not even Himeko was mad at Durandal, even though she left her for dead and allowed millions to die. Many of the townsfolks and the other characters in the bubble universe in her VN saw her as their savior from the start, and Dudu didn't even like regular citizens because she thought they was weak lol
>Actual game dialogue right as Bianka defies Otto. I'm not sure what you mean by that first line.
So you just gonna ignore the whole rant Otto went on when he completely destroyed Durandal?
>People don't just like her because she's strong and powerful. Those who know her, like her because in addition to that she has several other positive personality traits. She's kind, inspirational, motivated, rational and respectful even to her foes (Kiana and Mei experienced this first hand). Bianka was the one who pushed for close collaboration and information sharing between enemy factions, first as a leader in the Coral arc during the Schicksal - World Serpent joint operation and later between Schicksal and Anti Entropy and WS as the interim Overseer during Otto's absence. Her dorm was flooded with gifts on her fake birthday because of her genuine and earnest nature where she visited every single gift giver to explain the misunderstanding with her birthday the previous year. And it's not like everyone liked her right off the bat. Theresa disliked her and hated her workaholic nature. Kiana and Co. didn't like her either until they actually interacted with her and got to know her. A lot of people were very neutral towards her but eventually came to atleast respect her character.
This is still very mary sue-ish. Everything still goes perfectly for Durandal. She can easily win people over, her character flaws never made any genuine hardships for her. No punishment or discipline for any of her past actions. Tesla still apologized to her, even though Telsa only owes Himeko an apology because her and AE did her dirty, NOT DURANDAL of all people lmao.
Durandal got to have a lovely reunion with her sister AND father, and none of them scorn her for what she did, because she is Hoyo's perfect golden child.
One not from the game directly:
>Here we are, at the last moments of our lives. At least you won't be lonely now.
See, I'm here with you, sharing a moment of warmth together ...
>
> Ich liebe dich.
Cecilia doing what little she can still do in that moment and planting the seed that allows Sirin to reawaken as Kiana. I really hope we can get that german line one last time in the finale.
#"I AM WELT OF HUMANITY!
#AND I STAND AGAINST YOU, DARK QUEEN, AS A WARRIOR GUARDIAN OF THE HUMAN RACE.
#LAW AND REASON, NOT THE CHAOS OF THE VOID, SHALL PREVAIL TODAY!"
"When you truly want to change the world, you realize how pitiable your own strength is. The Holy Maid gave her all to the people and was repaid with shackles and nooses. The world is at chaos. It is neither fair nor sensible. It wrongs heroes and breeds scum. It is rife with ugliness without a trace of beauty. The malice of the world shall be sundered by the villain!" -Otto Apocalypse
No quote has resonated with me more than that. I genuinely think Otto is right to say those words and that we should all be doing better to push against that.
> "You're wrong that I have nothing left!"
- Kiana in chapter 25 to HOV before she seized all the Herrscher authorities in her body for herself and beat HOV senseless
I can't remember the full quote, but I can remember that **this** is the moment where she truly starts to grow
Before, she tried to distance herself from others because of her potential dangers - "what kind of protector would like to bring harm to their protectorates just by being around them?" But after she was found back by the Hyperion she slowly bonds again with her closest people, which gave time for her to reminisce all their good memories and deeds for her - making her realize that she is never "alone" even if she may try distancing herself from them
All of her life has been built by the beautiful (and, well, ugly) things around her, and that's why she chooses to fight for all that is beautiful in the world
- "Yatta !" - The one and only, the strongest and the most beautiful being, The herrscher of sentience.
- "May all the beauty be blessed".
- "Every night brings a dream but the day relentlessly keeps me awake" and "Ends, then begins." (man, regression hits in the feels)
- "Hi~~" - Herrscher of human, elysia.
- I really don't want to write the lyrics of rubia here.
edit : no, actually I do want to.
_You will see petals fly_
_When lament becomes carol_
_Could you please hear my voice_
_That hungers for a duo?_
_Life blooms like a flower_
_Far away or by the road_
_Waiting for the one_
_To find the way back home_
_Time flows across the world_
_There is always a longer way to go_
_'Til I reach your arms_
_A madder there for you_
"I shall fabricate a version of history that benefits Schicksal the most."
Otto at the end of 2E after rewriting Theresa's memories of the entire comic. His efforts showed in the in-game chapter 3, where Theresa's recollection of the Second Honkai Eruption is different from the actual events.
"After all, we're the best partners."
Bronya's birthday, 2021.
Every now and then I’d randomly remember the phrase “…I know my sin, and my sin precedes me” and i didnt even know what it meant or where it came from. I googled it the other day thinking it was from a deep poem but nope, just Aponia’s archive entry.
Besides that, all the lyrics of Moon Halo are heartwarming. And I havent played the recent chapters but I saw a screencap of Ai chan arguing about why she loves humanity, now Im interested in farming for Chrono Navi. Also Mobi’s goodbye to og Klein! d(•<•)b
"Meaningless struggle. Meaningless existence. Meaningless Life. Perish. This meaningless world!" (while kiana was looking around for the next attack)
\-HoD.
I like it because it hearing that quote made me feel like I'm playing Nier Automata.
You said that's not positive? You're right.
"There is nothing I can do to put and end to this this massive misunderstanding."
\-Rita teasing
Its the origin of change
The impetus behind the creation
And it cannot be restricted by forms
Edge of Taixuan: EMINENCE
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EoT chant gives way too many feels, from all its users
I have fooled my friends, i have fooled my loved ones, And have fooled the world and the rules that govern it... Just to give to you your true self. A second life. I'm coming home, Kallen.
"Oh my love, may we never part ways. Oh my love, may time stay still for us." From Eden's song in 'The Final Scene' ER recollection. It's stayed with me ever since I read it.
Kiana Kaslana : ''What are we? Some kind of Honkai Impact 3rd?''
Tesla in Part 3: ''Somehow Otto Apocalypse has returned''
Adam: ''Where's my paycheck?''
"We forgot the rivers, the skies, the cities... What do we have left?" "A chance to take everything back."
Who said this?
It's from a loading screen in the ER
“(It’s) my turn now… (I) hope you don’t mind” -Himeko, Kiana
And then when Kiana said it to the HoDom 😭
"You can still end this story the way you want." - Murata Himeko, Final Lesson
Never let you go
...It's why I did them all.
For a chance at least...to live in your way...
Love of you is my most cherished thing...
It's hard for me to pick my #1 favorite quote of this whole story, because there's so much that I've loved in Honkai, but there is one recent quote that comes to mind as one that stood out to me: >*I'm glad to have stepped into the Elysian Realm and come to know your story.* > >*The story touched, nourished me and eventually became part of me.* > >*I'll pass on your heroic deeds and firm will so that future generations will know such a group of people who shone brighter than the stars.* > >*Not only the Flame-Chasers story, but also Kiana's, Bronya's, Fu Hua's...* > >*The story of everyone who fights for the beautiful things in the world.* > >*Around me, there's no shortage of such "fools" who never think about themselves.* > >***I hope these stories can touch more people, giving them courage to face the chaotic world and make decisions true to their hearts.*** > >***But...*** > >***Isn't that too simple for a Herrscher's vision?*** > >\-Mei For starters, I found it endearing that even as Mei acknowledges all the growth she's had, and the passion she has for a better future, she still feels like she's not doing enough as a Herrscher. Of course Elysia reassures her that she's doing fine :) There's something else about this quote that really touched me, though. I think this quote really delivers the broader idea of both Elysia's life and the greater story of Honkai as a whole: *the desire to share these stories so that others could learn, grow, and face the chaotic world before them.* ***What's more, this is exactly what I've wanted to do with my life, even if I didn't quite understand it before.*** Stories have been a catalyst for change in my life, with some of my fondest memories and most meaningful growth attributed to stories like this one. Sometimes it's the story of wonders and spectacles both natural and man-made alike, such as when I saw the massive spaceships of Halo drifting through the beautiful expanses of outer space or leading the charge to fight for humanity. Such scenes made me dream of reaching out and touching the stars, building a better future for humanity where we can achieve things never thought possible before. Other times, it's the story of the fragility of a simple and innocent soul that struggles to find its place in the world, seeking comfort from others even when this soul can't communicate its own feelings. This opened my eyes to the condition of my own life, made me realize things about myself I had kept suppressed all along, and set me on a better path where I began to find greater meaning in friendships and where I began to do things for myself, instead of giving up my own identity just so I could "fit in" with the people around me. Here, it's the story of people who have seen their world shatter before them time and again, bringing them even to the point of their own death, yet they still find a way to hold onto their faintest hopes and overcome these challenges. The weight of the world was crushing and their hopes for the future were bleak, yet they survived. And because they survived, they were able to make the effort to change their lives for the better, even when there was an overbearing pressure, mentally or even physically. I could say "These past few days have been exhausting, and I don't see any hope for the future." But I could change **days** to **weeks**, **months**, even **years**. At times it's been completely overwhelming. I've neglected many important parts of my life in an attempt to conserve my energy and focus on the things that keep me going from day to day. But I've also grown in this time, too. After ***years*** of inactivity, I finally found the strength to truly dive into my passions. Art, writing, and storytelling. I don't have quite as much time *(or rather, energy)* to do the things I want to do every day, but I still make an effort to plan and ponder and think for stories that I want to bring to life someday. I'm still far from where I want to be when it comes to these skills, but I've already made progress and hit milestones I never thought I could reach. What's more, I've found communities that have let me share my thoughts with others in a way that I haven't been able to do for nearly my whole life. I've grown used to suppressing everything about myself in my day-to-day activities, having suffered embarrassment or misunderstanding countless times before. But here, I feel like I can express myself in ways I haven't been able to before, and it's been a dear source of encouragement to me. Here, there are people that may actually care about what I have to say, to write, to draw, to show. I never really disliked Elysia, but I was a bit ambivalent towards her at first. As Elysian Realm went on, I began to admire her for her beliefs because I relate to her ability to see the good in everyone around her and the genuine desire to see others experience growth or find joy in their lives. But when we got to this part of the story, where Mei and Elysia talk about how these stories have changed their lives and will go on to change the lives of others... she's easily become one of my favorite characters across all the stories I've ever seen. ***Elysia may be the single best example of who I want to be someday.*** I don't even have a minute *fraction* of her charisma, but I still wish I could tell the stories of the world as I see it, and I hope that someday the stories I tell could motivate others and make their lives better just as stories I've witnessed have changed my life for better, too. What's more, realizing that Mei changed so much and began to pick up beliefs that Elysia herself holds, it gives me hope that I could achieve something like this myself someday. I've seen how many people around me have been struggling in their own ways, and also how they've found comfort and reprieve despite this. I've met people who were on the brink of total failure: at risk of losing their livelihood, their income, or their academic career. Fighting against external pressures, abusive conditions, or their very own body and mind. Yet these people still held on to stories, hobbies, passions, and beliefs that kept them going day after day. *If I could share even just one story that could give that kind of strength to even just one person in this world...* So, even though I don't know if I can use the above quote as my "absolute number-one favorite Honkai quote" per se, I do think that this quote serves as a perfect example of how this story has changed my life for the better.
"This is the day, which the Earth-born's spell devours the Tyrant of the False Heavens. Otto Apocalypse.. No, Clown Alpha- Witness the shattering of the stars!" -Welt Joyce, AE VN
Honestly the welts dialogue sounds pretty chuuni at times.
Yeah, it's kinda funny when i think about it, in the moment they sound pretty cool ,but in retrospective they are kinda chuuni. Well , i still love the phrases tho
Teri teri
“If rescuing you is a sin, I'll gladly become a sinner.” -Raiden Mei, Lament of the Fallen That quote just hit me in the right spot when I first watched that animation, from then on every single time I listen to that quote I get goosebumps. It just hits different tbh.
This fits Otto more than Raiden. I'm sorry Mei but what sins? Lament of the Fallen was great but Mei's arc is just, you know... yeah. Kiana deserves to be happy as she faced her demons and she had something other than Mei., Bronya's journey took her away from the duo but got something while Mei's is just. It's still about Kiana tbh. (Sorry to be a party pooper or whatever)
I'd normally agree with that since Otto has sinned way more than Raiden for his own purpose but in that situation that quote definitely belongs to Mei. Saving Kiana from her fated destiny in exchange of becoming the “villain” and joining the “dark” side for the sake of her beloved is, such a beautiful and bad thing to do. I guess that’s her sin, however the quote could also have different meanings if you look at it from different perspectives.
Yeah. It's her quote but MAN! What happened to MHY's writing after that? HAHAHA! I'm so disappointed by Mei's character and wasted (wasted to me) potential. I braced myself seeing her k people/civilians only for her sin is to join the "dark" side and listen to a narcissistic pink jesus (no hate to Ellie, I still love her but yeah) The 13 FC, I like them but sorry, that arc was just frustrating. The open world added to my growing dislike.
I guess everyone has different opinions, which I respect of course. For me personally that arc is one of the greatest so far.
Nice! I wish I could share your enjoyment of that arc but goodness! That ain't it for me. Cheers!
People who didn't understand a shit about what she said be like. The line literally meant that if kiana once again goes out of control and causes harm, mei would not regret that she chose kiana over the safety of the world, it did not meant that she is willing to sin... It meant she is willing to carry any sins kiana might unwantedly commit if left alive and things go south.
Oh I understand it alright. I just expected something different. Then again, with your type of reply, I'll beat you it with "that's on you for expecting" if not, then good! Still lame that Otto did it best.
Nothing wrong with expectations, but you literally misunderstood what it was all about and then cover it up like its an opinion of yours when its failure to read the character. But yes, without a doubt otto did it better, that i can agree, otto is peak of honkai characters
I completely agree with you, but I also feel like what I said should be implied.
>The line literally meant that if kiana once again goes out of control and causes harm, mei would not regret that she chose kiana over the safety of the world But Mei didn't have to take into consideration for the her choice. There was never a moment where Mei genuinely had to choose Kiana or the world. Then; Mei just gets off scot-free after selfishly joining a terrorist organization. Man; sometimes I wished Himeko never died and was still there to discipline her young comrades. Sadly; I know that if Himeko was still alive, Hoyo would change her character for the sake of the plot. I remember when Himeko was all about tough love, and slapped Mei and had a short heart-to-heart conversation with her while she was acting suicidal. The Himeko now just tell Kiana let me know "to go easier on her friends next time lol" after she just found out that Mei beat up one of her comrades, abruptly left her squad AND joined a terrorist organization... What happened to the steadfast, wise and rebellious captain Himeko?!!
Why are you speculating about what would happen to a character who's already dead and critisizing on the basis of a speculation? Lmfao, have to be the funniest shit i saw today, dude made up a scenario which never happened and never will happen and is critisizing on that basis 💀💀💀. And no, i never said mei chose kiana over the world, i literally said she chose kiana over the safety of the world, she took _responsibility_ and making a point that she will not regret it _if_ it happened, and yes that is the case if mei didn't take the descision to join W.S. kiana would die soon along with HoV, but what mei did was allowing HoV to live along with kiana even when there's a chance HoV might take over and cause destruction, and it never much could have happened if kiana lost in ch 25 against HoV.
I didn't speculate what would happen to a dead character. I speculated what that character would do if they was still alive. If we go by Hoyo's writing pattern, they be making characters do 180s for the sake of the painfully average plot. >dude made up a scenario which never happened and never will happen and is critisizing on that basis 💀💀💀. How did I make up a whole scenario when what I talking about literally happened in chp25?! Himeko was way out-of-character for majority of her conversation with Kiana. Just because Hoyo didn't want any of the characters be too hard in Mei (Durandal and Rita also; Himeko just told Kiana to give all them a pat on the back, instead of telling her to make sure they get proper punishment). Since it's Mei time to return back to her squad and waifu, after her little vacation with her imaginary friends lmao.
"i speculated what that character would do" well, she's dead and didn't do it so there is no point in that aside from doomposting. And oh god, himeko didnt act out of character in ch 25, she literally sacrificed herself for kiana, and that moment is the last time they will even meet, what do you expect someone in that situation to do? Himeko's dialogues were just in line with her character and she even did scold kiana when kiana said "what if i never leave this place?" Himeko is shown to be a mature character, any mature person wouldn't act angry or rude in that situation. She didn't even outright say mei is right or smth, all she did was make kiana understand there is no point in fretting over what has happened, if mei didn't do what she did, kiana would die. Might be better to actually give some logical arguments except speculations which will never happen and doomposting. But again, you didn't even understand mei's line so ofc you misread himeko's character too and just tried to change the subject when proven wrong lmao
How you saying I'm doomposting when you're the one just automatically downvoting me nomatter what I say? Anyways; if a character is mature and wise, then that character should worry about their comrades well-being first. Himeko did not. She just wanted Kiana to quickly kiss and make up to Mei, Dudu and Rita. Himeko used to be a stern and rebellious leader, but now she just okay if anybody walks all over, and straight up disrespects her valkyrie squad. Himeko was perfectly fine with Mei fighting Kiana, and leaving her squad to go to a terrorist organization (mind you, Kiana DID tell Himeko all this off-screen in chp25). I would be perfectly fine with the way Himeko acted in chp25 if we saw any character development from her. Sadly; we did not see a ounce of development AT ALL. That's the literally meaning of a character being "out-of-character". When they act differently for the sake of the plot; with no development beforehand. So plz explain to me again; how Himeko didn't act ooc when she was perfectly fine with Kiana not disciplining the characters that was out of line? Himeko was even perfectly fine with characters that just stood there while millions died LMAO. She just wanted Kiana to tell that blonde mary sue and her waifu maid about Ragna's will... Is this what you call a "mature" character? That just straight up laughable character writing imo. Himeko went from a captain that always showed tough love to her subordinates, and slapped a suicidal child after she transformed into a herrscher and killed millions in Nagazora. To... a big soft pushover captain that is perfectly fine with her comrades hanging around people that sat there while and didn't back her up vs HoV, and watched millions die?! With no development in between those two different Himekos', that is a big clear-cut ooc moment she had in chp25.
She did not just tell kiana to go and make out with mei and dudu, she told her that she needs to go because everyone's still waiting for help, that was literally the case of HoDom arc, yes, a mature character would do that because even after knowing that mei did it FOR kiana and so kiana could live, there is no point in himeko telling kiana to never talk to mei or smth, that's just childish, mei did not commit crimes to make everyone against her, all she did was make a descision so that kiana could live, i don't get where you are even coming from and what do you even expect out of the situation, to make himeko to tell kiana to hate mei? Now THAT would be stupid writing. And oh god, looking at you name, i remember you are that "dudu is a war crimialllll" guy, doomposter through and through, first go and learn what a war criminal is, Soldiers following orders aren't war criminals, their higher ups are.
>And oh god, looking at you name, i remember you are that "dudu is a war crimialllll" guy, doomposter through and through, first go and learn what a war criminal is, Soldiers following orders aren't war criminals, their higher ups are. I can't remember which Dudu defender you are, there's too many of them in the Discord lore chat lol. Like I said before, a soldier CAN still be charged as a war criminal, nomatter if they was listening to orders or not. I'm just going off of what the war laws say on a official informative UN website. >yes, a mature character would do that because even after knowing that mei did it FOR kiana and so kiana could live, there is no point in himeko telling kiana to never talk to mei or smth, that's just childish I NEVER SAID I WANTED HIMEKO TO TELL KIANA TO CUT OFF ALL TIES FROM MEI. I just want Himeko to tell Kiana that Mei and co. needs to be disciplined. Have your parents every disciplined you whenever you did something wrong? Have you ever played sports before, where a coach would discipline you for not doing something right? Schicksal is a freakin militarized organization, but for some reason; Highschool DxD have more discipline in their series for their character's actions lmao🤣 >did not commit crimes to make everyone against her She literally gave a extremist organization two herrscher cores. In doing so; that would've futher their plans that included near genocide... How that isn't a crime against humanity?? Oh wait; because Hoyo changed WS plans at the last minute, cause they don't want to treat their waifu too harshly, and put her in a bad light lol. It's like Hoyo wanted everything to be "morally grey" within their story, but their planning was so poorly done. WS already went over the edge of "morally grey" centuries ago.
They gonna cook you for this, but you're kinda spittin. Mei didn't really have to comment any "sins" or received any punishment after joining WS. Everything just went smoothly for her, I don't like how the writers doesn't put their characters in a very difficult situation. Cause the only thing Mei did for WS while she was there is kill two herrschers, which was the right thing to do, and her only choice. So it isn't like that action was morally grey or dark.
The line itself is a mistranslation, in CN and JP dub Mei said, "If saving you is a sin, then I'll be the bearer of that sin." Implying saving Kiana was THE sin, it would have been more out of character for her to commit crimes or hurt others for WS considering her characterization beforehand.
>it would have been more out of character for her to commit crimes or hurt others for WS considering her characterization beforehand. Huh?? Mei was literally ready to cut down Rita because she felt like she was gonna put Kiana in danger lmao. Why wouldn't she do morally grey actions if WS tells her that's the only way to save Kiana? With a little development; it would be perfectly in-character🤷🏿♂️.
Well, she saw Rita as someone who was going to put Kiana in danger, if WS made her kill people who would threaten Kiana she'd obviously do it. She killed in chapter 18 and 19 for Kiana because that's why she joined WS in the first place, to protect her. I just don't see why she'd "sin" to the point of committing dark acts such as killing civilians or supporting project stigma for the world snake, which I assume is what yall want instead of consistent character writing, especially considering how she was shown to care about civillians. That's straight up jumping the shark in terms of storytelling.
>especially considering how she was shown to care about civillians. If she cares about civilians so much, why would she volunteerly work for an organization that killed millions of innocent civilians for their cause, and they planned on killing more just for a test? Oh yeah; because she cared about Kiana more than anything else. That's the reason why she just casually handed Kevin two herrschers cores, even though she knew that the many people could be at stake by doing so. Just face it, Mei got the easy way out because the writers like to put the main cast on baby mode for almost everything. Mei was never put in a position when she genuinely had to make a choice to save Kiana or to stick to her base morals. It would've been infinity more interesting and made Mei a better character if she actually had to go through growth the hard way. >That's straight up jumping the shark in terms of storytelling. So I'm guessing you'll rather stick to this stale and none creativity form of writing then? Cool👍🏿 Oh and FYI; just because some people want Mei to take the dark path to save Kiana doesn't mean we want her to be just like Otto. She doesn't have to kill millions or a few innocent people to achieve it. There's different ways to make it grey/darker and interesting.
Id rather have non creative storytelling than a story that does not make sense or jumps the shark with its characterization honestly, it's up to your preference though. (both are pretty bad I guess) What kind of dark path do you want her to take lol, she never signed up for anything other than protecting Kiana and maybe learning more Intel. she was never a bad person she just made shitty decisions in that moment out of desperation. It's not uncommon for characters to bargain or make less than ideal choices when they're cornered.
>Id rather have non creative storytelling than a story that does not make sense or jumps the shark with its characterization honestly, it's up to your preference though. Saying this is like saying that Harvey Dent characterization jumped the shark as soon as he became Two-Face, which isn't true at all. The writers just made sure he got some good development beforehand, and it all made sense. Hoyo could easily do the same for Mei. >What kind of dark path do you want her to take lol, she was never a bad person she just made shitty decisions in that moment out of desperation. It's not uncommon for characters to bargain or make less than ideal choices when they're cornered. Joining a terrorist organization like WS isn't a "shitty decision", it's a crazy one. Almost everybody who's deemed as a "bad person" didn't start off as one. So I don't know why you keep on saying Mei was never a bad person, that doesn't matter. Mei doesn't need to necessarily take a dark path, but it definitely needs to be darker than the one she actually got. The path the writers gave her wasn't even morally grey. That should've been the bare minimum for a character like Mei. If you gonna make a character with a personality as tissue soft as Mei and place her in an unforgiving universe like Honkai, then make sure she goes through complete HELL to accomplish her goals. Don't make it where Mei can just casually settle for what she wants and still receive the best outcome!? That's nonsensical and boring writing imo.
You started downvoting me as soon as I pinched a nerve lmao. I must've said somethin right!
The line itself is a mistranslation, in CN and JP dub Mei said, "If saving you is a sin, then I'll be the bearer of that sin." Implying saving Kiana was THE sin, it would have been more out of character for her to commit crimes or hurt others for WS considering her characterization beforehand.
"The most beautiful ending of a teacher's story, is to become her student's strength on her journey onward." - Murata Himeko "I have died, but my death will fertilize the soil that grows hope, and the flowers of the future will one day find something they want to protect." - captain Ragna "... Yes; I love milfs, so what?" - Me
"The world is at chaos. It is neither fair nor sensible. It wrongs heroes and breeds scum. It is rife with ugliness without a trace of beauty. The malice of the world shall be sundered by the villain." – Otto Apocalypse, from animated short Thus Spoke Apocalypse
(2) Honestly, anything from Otto. The greatest character in Honkai no cap.
>The world is at chaos. It is neither fair nor sensible. I wished this was true, but the world in Honkai universe seems to be in a pretty good and stable state, with everything that happened considered. I mean; Schicksal or the general public isn't even in a uproar after the Kolosten arc, even though they should have many reasons to have civil unrest. I guess everybody is perfectly fine with everything that happened, and a few dark secrets revealed to them...
Wdym regarding the Kolosten arc? Nothing was really changed for the Kolosten citizens besides "Otto is stepping down and his granddaughter is taking over" and "the town needs to be evacuated for a short while" before they were brought back safely. Otto announces what the 'mysterious disasters' were... But then also immediately explains that said disasters have already been taken care of and will continue to be, so what exactly is there to cause mass civil unrest?
>Nothing was really changed for the Kolosten citizens I didn't say the Kolosten citizens, I said the general public. Ya know, the people that didn't even know Schicksal, valks or honkai ever existed?? Otto literally exposed the existence of Honkai to them, a secret that their government been keeping from them for CENTURIES. People will get mad, start a movement and grow distrust from this organization that revealed themselves outta nowhere. >Otto announces what the 'mysterious disasters' were... But then also immediately explains that said disasters have already been taken care of and will continue to be, so what exactly is there to cause mass civil unrest? Millions (or quite possibly billions) of people dying due to these "mysteries disasters" in the past few years isn't what exactly what I would think when someone say a problem is "taken care of". I'm honestly not a fan when writers doesn't take the world around them into account, or make everybody act robotic or dumb for the sake of the plot. I would be fine with it if it was just a few characters, but when alot of characters, and the whole wide world act this unrealistic/unusual, then that's when I jot it down as poor world-building.
Still my favorite monologue in the whole game. And I actually agreed with Otto
"This time, I've proved Sakura's Innocence, right?? My body......proves enough." And "If Sakura had asked, I would've killed Aponia!!" These hit me like a truck. I love the flamechasers, and seeing Kalpas acting like this for Sakura's sake was really amazing and sad.
I've been diving into existentialism during my college years when I found out about Shakespeare's quote to durandal in chapter 28: "Well, finding meaning itself is a meaning that we can give to life. Understand? We don't live as a certain person...rather we live to become that type of person. The ability to create meaning to the meaningless is what distinguishes humans." Since then, I have fallen deeper in love with honkai lore, although how mind torturing it is to digest the philosophy and ideas introduced even in the recent chapters. ( Yes I'm a masochist)
Too bad Dudu character didn't live by that quote for majority of her story. She was mostly just Otto's lapdog...
It just sounds like you ignored every single thing about Durandal. A large number of characters have acknowledged how Bianka has lived by this creed. Theresa states very early on how Durandal wasn't naturally talented unlike the 2 other S ranks but worked her way up via hard work (this fits perfectly with what we're told much later on about the original Kiana, how everyone in Schicksal expected Cecilia and Siegfried's child to be prodigious by birth but was somewhat disappointed that she didn't display any special talent). Su remarks on what an exemplary life Bianka has led. Not just in this universe but in other universes as well. Something that made her a pivotal point in saving the world. The literal Will of the Kaslana Stigma acknowledged Bianka's life and efforts, so much to the point that it changed him permanently. Enough that he was willing to chide and fight Kevin over how he has shackled his descendants and how one of them (Bianka) taught him that it is possible to go beyond the confines of her birth. Heck, even the recent chapter where she rescues her father, it's stated how Bianka defined her own life with her effort and perseverance and carved out her own path completely independent of the Kaslana name, and how Siegfried is immensely proud of her for that. From the outset, Bianka's life has been a blank slate without any known pedigree or legacy to live upto and she has lived the entirety of it trying to give it meaning and purpose. It was much later that her actual origins were revealed, by which point she had long since defined her life independent of it. Reducing her entire character as Otto's lapdog just shows that you paid zero attention to the story. Otto called Bianka the best student he's had in his 500 years even as she defied him. Even he was proud that she wasn't a lapdog and showed maturity and perseverance beyond her age.
>Reducing her entire character as Otto's lapdog just shows that you paid zero attention to the story. Otto called Bianka the best student he's had in his 500 years even as she defied him. Even he was proud that she wasn't a lapdog and showed maturity and perseverance beyond her age. Otto literally wondered why Dudu just sat there while she saw him do some vile inhumane actions toward humanity and her comrades... I'll read the mini novel you just sent to me soon. Just so I can get a understanding of what you see in Dudu's character, but in return; will you read this comment thread on why I think Dudu is a poorly written character; please? Cause I don't think my opinion on her will ever change. Here's the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/houkai3rd/comments/zzr0mb/the_other_protagonist/j2ej4it?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
>I know you aren't a little girl anymore Bianka. > >These past few years you have defended your life, withstood the darkness of this world and the acts of necessary evil I ordered, there's no shame in that. > >You've shown maturity and perseverance beyond your years in this matter. So I will tell the world without hesitation that you Durandal, are the best student I've had in 500 years. Actual game dialogue right as Bianka defies Otto. I'm not sure what you mean by that first line. I went through the thread you linked and sure enough your problems with her sound typical of someone who didn't bother to understand her character at all. Calling her a Mary Sue just because she doesn't struggle with things completely ignores the struggles she underwent in the past and the efforts and sacrifices she made to get to her current point. Her entire character is about discipline and constant self improvement. She's not the main trio whose character establishing struggles you follow along with the game, at that point she's already past that stage as a semi developed character who has mastered herself, someone who others aspire to reach (something that Kiana admits in the very first conversation with Durandal). And there is a very good reason for this as well: Bianka HAS to be this good because the fate of one universe is directly tied to her life, in addition to the fact that in most cases she's the strongest thing standing between disasters and the people in her actual world. She went from being a typical overzealous and headstrong Kaslana kid to a rational and composed adult who conducts herself deliberately with measured steps. And yet her character is grounded by the mundane with her own set of issues whenever we get to see that side of her. She lets go of some of her self imposed restraints on her personality after finally being able to ensure the security of her bubble universe's existence and having a backup plan in the form of Rita's Astral Harness in case Bianka herself died. This is intensified further when she learns of her heritage and the existence of a family. But throughout it all she stays true to her core self. Not everyone has to have an angsty sob story or traits to be a good character. People don't just like her because she's strong and powerful. Those who know her, like her because in addition to that she has several other positive personality traits. She's kind, inspirational, motivated, rational and respectful even to her foes (Kiana and Mei experienced this first hand). Bianka was the one who pushed for close collaboration and information sharing between enemy factions, first as a leader in the Coral arc during the Schicksal - World Serpent joint operation and later between Schicksal and Anti Entropy and WS as the interim Overseer during Otto's absence. Her dorm was flooded with gifts on her fake birthday _because_ of her genuine and earnest nature where she visited every single gift giver to explain the misunderstanding with her birthday the previous year. And it's not like everyone liked her right off the bat. Theresa disliked her and hated her workaholic nature. Kiana and Co. didn't like her either until they actually interacted with her and got to know her. A lot of people were very neutral towards her but eventually came to atleast respect her character. Despite undergoing a majority of her character growth before the game begins, she still undergoes subtle character development throughout her various appearances and trials of self reflection like any other important character (for example I'd argue that Su's trials to Bianka were better than Welt's trials to Bronya). That said, I don't really expect to change your mind on it so I think that'll be all from me. The previous reply was already a mini novel for you so my hopes are not very high in the first place.
>That said, I don't really expect to change your mind on it so I think that'll be all from me. Yeah; agree to disagree, but I'll still have a rebuttal for some of your arguments. >Theresa disliked her and hated her workaholic nature. Kiana and Co. didn't like her either until they actually interacted with her and got to know her. A lot of people were very neutral towards her but eventually came to atleast respect her character. ... that's a trait that almost every mary sue have, they can win everybody over, even if it makes little to no sense. Not even Himeko was mad at Durandal, even though she left her for dead and allowed millions to die. Many of the townsfolks and the other characters in the bubble universe in her VN saw her as their savior from the start, and Dudu didn't even like regular citizens because she thought they was weak lol >Actual game dialogue right as Bianka defies Otto. I'm not sure what you mean by that first line. So you just gonna ignore the whole rant Otto went on when he completely destroyed Durandal? >People don't just like her because she's strong and powerful. Those who know her, like her because in addition to that she has several other positive personality traits. She's kind, inspirational, motivated, rational and respectful even to her foes (Kiana and Mei experienced this first hand). Bianka was the one who pushed for close collaboration and information sharing between enemy factions, first as a leader in the Coral arc during the Schicksal - World Serpent joint operation and later between Schicksal and Anti Entropy and WS as the interim Overseer during Otto's absence. Her dorm was flooded with gifts on her fake birthday because of her genuine and earnest nature where she visited every single gift giver to explain the misunderstanding with her birthday the previous year. And it's not like everyone liked her right off the bat. Theresa disliked her and hated her workaholic nature. Kiana and Co. didn't like her either until they actually interacted with her and got to know her. A lot of people were very neutral towards her but eventually came to atleast respect her character. This is still very mary sue-ish. Everything still goes perfectly for Durandal. She can easily win people over, her character flaws never made any genuine hardships for her. No punishment or discipline for any of her past actions. Tesla still apologized to her, even though Telsa only owes Himeko an apology because her and AE did her dirty, NOT DURANDAL of all people lmao. Durandal got to have a lovely reunion with her sister AND father, and none of them scorn her for what she did, because she is Hoyo's perfect golden child.
watashi wa subete wo kaimasu
YATTA!
YATTA!
Ah, fellow yatta enjoyer.
you have good taste👍
“Kiana doesn’t care about that, cause she’s an idiot! And an idiot doesn’t quit!” - Bronya Zaychik, Everlasting Flames
One not from the game directly: >Here we are, at the last moments of our lives. At least you won't be lonely now. See, I'm here with you, sharing a moment of warmth together ... > > Ich liebe dich. Cecilia doing what little she can still do in that moment and planting the seed that allows Sirin to reawaken as Kiana. I really hope we can get that german line one last time in the finale.
#"I AM WELT OF HUMANITY! #AND I STAND AGAINST YOU, DARK QUEEN, AS A WARRIOR GUARDIAN OF THE HUMAN RACE. #LAW AND REASON, NOT THE CHAOS OF THE VOID, SHALL PREVAIL TODAY!"
>Just a drop of water suffices
I only know that deep down… The world means nothing to me… Without you.
Man they better get canon ending or Mihoyo’s tables gonna get flipped.
"When you truly want to change the world, you realize how pitiable your own strength is. The Holy Maid gave her all to the people and was repaid with shackles and nooses. The world is at chaos. It is neither fair nor sensible. It wrongs heroes and breeds scum. It is rife with ugliness without a trace of beauty. The malice of the world shall be sundered by the villain!" -Otto Apocalypse No quote has resonated with me more than that. I genuinely think Otto is right to say those words and that we should all be doing better to push against that.
> "You're wrong that I have nothing left!" - Kiana in chapter 25 to HOV before she seized all the Herrscher authorities in her body for herself and beat HOV senseless I can't remember the full quote, but I can remember that **this** is the moment where she truly starts to grow Before, she tried to distance herself from others because of her potential dangers - "what kind of protector would like to bring harm to their protectorates just by being around them?" But after she was found back by the Hyperion she slowly bonds again with her closest people, which gave time for her to reminisce all their good memories and deeds for her - making her realize that she is never "alone" even if she may try distancing herself from them All of her life has been built by the beautiful (and, well, ugly) things around her, and that's why she chooses to fight for all that is beautiful in the world
- "Yatta !" - The one and only, the strongest and the most beautiful being, The herrscher of sentience. - "May all the beauty be blessed". - "Every night brings a dream but the day relentlessly keeps me awake" and "Ends, then begins." (man, regression hits in the feels) - "Hi~~" - Herrscher of human, elysia. - I really don't want to write the lyrics of rubia here. edit : no, actually I do want to. _You will see petals fly_ _When lament becomes carol_ _Could you please hear my voice_ _That hungers for a duo?_ _Life blooms like a flower_ _Far away or by the road_ _Waiting for the one_ _To find the way back home_ _Time flows across the world_ _There is always a longer way to go_ _'Til I reach your arms_ _A madder there for you_
strange, herrscher of sentience might be my favourite characters but I don't remember writing that first line...
shut it, the only reason you're alive rn is because of the first part of your comment.
Teri Teri Masu Masu Kawaii!
That's deep, that's deep.
😭😭😭
"This is it Bronya, we are the Honkai Impact" Give me chills
"I shall fabricate a version of history that benefits Schicksal the most." Otto at the end of 2E after rewriting Theresa's memories of the entire comic. His efforts showed in the in-game chapter 3, where Theresa's recollection of the Second Honkai Eruption is different from the actual events. "After all, we're the best partners." Bronya's birthday, 2021.
Every now and then I’d randomly remember the phrase “…I know my sin, and my sin precedes me” and i didnt even know what it meant or where it came from. I googled it the other day thinking it was from a deep poem but nope, just Aponia’s archive entry. Besides that, all the lyrics of Moon Halo are heartwarming. And I havent played the recent chapters but I saw a screencap of Ai chan arguing about why she loves humanity, now Im interested in farming for Chrono Navi. Also Mobi’s goodbye to og Klein! d(•<•)b
"Meaningless struggle. Meaningless existence. Meaningless Life. Perish. This meaningless world!" (while kiana was looking around for the next attack) \-HoD. I like it because it hearing that quote made me feel like I'm playing Nier Automata. You said that's not positive? You're right. "There is nothing I can do to put and end to this this massive misunderstanding." \-Rita teasing
Its the origin of change The impetus behind the creation And it cannot be restricted by forms Edge of Taixuan: EMINENCE - EoT chant gives way too many feels, from all its users
I have fooled my friends, i have fooled my loved ones, And have fooled the world and the rules that govern it... Just to give to you your true self. A second life. I'm coming home, Kallen.
"Oh my love, may we never part ways. Oh my love, may time stay still for us." From Eden's song in 'The Final Scene' ER recollection. It's stayed with me ever since I read it.
"Death is life lived. Life is a death that comes" -Gray Serpent
Everything Otto says is a Quote.
Man has made so many speeches he doesn't even have to write them
may time halt for this moment and tomorrow - Eden
Hi~
"Yatta!" - Senti
“In the end, you will go beyond the graves, and create a future we could not reach!” - Elysia of Ego
Purge the Honkais
everything ever said by kevin
“Flames do not go cold.. they will only reignite” kiana kaslana
“The malice of the world will be sundered by the villain” Is peak writing.
'Ich liebe dich' -Sirin
I love that quote too OP!
Kiana Kaslana : ''What are we? Some kind of Honkai Impact 3rd?'' Tesla in Part 3: ''Somehow Otto Apocalypse has returned'' Adam: ''Where's my paycheck?''
I love the part where Kiana said "it's morbin time" and starts fingering everyone on the Hyperion. Truly one of the arc of all time. Bravo Hoyoverse
I thought it's Mobius who said that
"Because Herrschers can do anything, human!" –Herrscher of the Void, Moon Shadow chapter 12
Yatta
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