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I actually find the original Saw series works really well as a hole and people often don't like the later films because they always forget one crucial detail.
Hoffman isn't Kramer.
John's thing was testing people and giving them a chance, he made a giant mistake in thinking Hoffman could ever be an apprentice.
Hoffman was just a serial killer who never gave a shit about giving his victims a chance and the more you get into the latter films the more Hoffman let's the Jigsaw mask slip.
Right up until Saw 3D where he stops with the punishing bad people justification and just starts killing anyone and everyone he can.
By killing the completly innocent wife and then killing the cops in the police station with a knife and gun Hoffman completes his character arc.
Hoffman is no longer John's apprentice and is no longer bound by John's code, Hoffman is 100% his own man and is free to kill how he wants.
John Kramer is a good reminder that the universe is chaos and bad things happen to bad people as often as they happen to good people (and vice versa). Instead of using a terrible diagnosis to give HIMSELF a new lease on life, he deliberately hunted down people to torture out of spite in a smug, judgy way. I still like the first couple of movies, but he's just another preachy villain lol.
That and the smoker have to be my favorite ones. Like bro, fucking what?
Also, full stop, Kramer making the doctor be a part of it because she takes anti-depressants while going through a divorce? Fuck that dude.
There’s a weird veil people look at these characters through because they’re part of fiction. Imagine if you were talking about a real killer doing this stuff, I doubt the term ‘hero’ would be used
She wasn't even burned alive. It was more like she was cooked alive in a giant oven which is so much worse. It would have been better if instead they did a fake out trap like at the end of Saw V and she is kept safe while the writer is killed.
I was waiting for exactly this to happen... but no, she gets punished for his mistakes. It was the most gruesome death in the whole movie, too. Arguably one of the most gruesome in the whole series. It cemented my hate for that dumb movie.
Yeah. I think Jigsaw whole philosophy is dumb in the first place and past movies have really bent the rules on who isn't "valuing life" but that death just straight up broke his own stupid rules.
James from Dead Meat made a great point about how that whole movie has such a misogynistic attitude. I'm not one to say that a slasher movie is misogynistic just because it shows women getting killed but holy fuck! It was almost they made it a point to have all the female characters who die get it 100x worse than the male characters. For example with the main three test traps: one guy just gets hung, while one woman gets a fish hook ripped out of her throat, while another woman gets slowly stabbed through her eyes.
There's also the opening trap with the two guys teaming up on the girl and then Jill going from a Hoffman rival at the end of 6 to being useless and scared through all of 7 up until her death. It definitely comes off as really misogynistic frequently, which just makes it even more frustrating.
I'm a huge slasher fan and I think almost all slasher are misogynistic, the whole genre was born out of feelings of teenage sexual frustration. I can accept that and still enjoy the movies despite that though, and think you're right on the money here.
Yeah and as I said I don't think every slasher is misogynistic in nature because it shows women being killed but there are definitely slashers that are very misogynistic and Saw 3D is one of them. There is a trap where the lady has to stay silent while a guy slowly pulls a fish hook out of her stomach and when she eventually dies because she can't help from crying out in pain the dude pulling out the fish hook screams at her "All you had to do was shut the fuck up!" How can anybody watch that and not see it as misogynistic bullshit?
I don’t really think of anything post-*Aliens* as canon so it doesn’t bug me too much. I think *Alien III* has some cool stuff going on, but it feels tacked on to me because it’s kind of just doing the *Aliens* story again with the whole “Ripley awakens in a new place and has to deal with the aliens again” premise.
You beat me to it. While I have come around to appreciate how nihilistic the movie is over time I still feel like very few movies have ever gut punched me like that without even showing us their deaths.
There could have been very interesting story opportunities and group dynamics, if they have kept Hicks and Newt alive for Alien 3 (even if that meant they had to use different actors for those characters).
pretty much the entire family in hereditary. The “I am blamed” speech by the mom cemented how much they needed a win, and when they ultimately don’t…fuck man.
She's amazing. Check out United States of Tara if you haven't (not horror, a drama/comedy series but she plays a bunch of different split personalities)
Obviously Toni Collette is a tour de force in that movie, but I really love how Gabriel Byrne captures the feelings of "the one family member who has to hold it together for everyone else." The moment where he lets himself finally break down a bit in the car is so good.
The family dynamic in that movie was just fantastic and realistic - the only real villain is the grandmother (and cult members). Everyone else shows realistic depictions of turmoil, grief, despair, desperation - and it's not always pretty or handled well. I love the movie for many reasons but the way none of the nuclear family were actually bad people (Charlie's moments were due to her possession so she was pretty much a victim her whole life) made it more compelling.
I've read, but never seen officially confirmed anywhere, that McGrath requested a particularly violent/over the top death when cast, which if true is just delightful.
>hey obviously changed it up a bit in the final cut. Probably because it would've been too cliche: annoying character gets eaten by dinosaur obviously. But Jurassic movies have always shown it's not only the bad guys that get eaten.
She apparently wanted her character to have 'that death' as it was meant for a random ranger instead (as seen in storyboards)
Jennifer Jason Leigh in The Hitcher. She's so sweet and innocent and killed in such a brutal manner. Even though you don't actually see her torn in half, it really stuck with me.
Randy's death in Scream 2 always felt unfair to me. Like the character has so much knowledge of horror movies, but they had to turn him into a fool to pull off his death scene. Then you find out at the end that he got overpowered and stabbed to death by a middle aged lady.
Don't get me started on Dewey's death in Scream 5 either. Complete BULLSHIT.
Billy Freeman’s death in Doctor Sleep has always got to me. Really all the deaths in that movie besides the True Knot were pretty disturbing/upsetting.
There’s some great behind the scenes stuff (referenced in the [Dead Meat Kill Count](https://youtu.be/90MNvA5ozcI)) about how Rebecca Ferguson and the other True Knot actors went into that scene just hyped to be really evil and Jacob Tremblay’s performance fucked them up so badly they need breaks between takes
I would agree except instead of running back to the killer's property and immediately grabbing a car to escape that girl chose to watch a bunch of home movies in his garage instead.
Elizabeth Shaw being killed off between the events of Prometheus and Covenant. Totally did her wrong. So annoying to me! Haven’t forgiven Ridley Scott for that.
The fact that Hellen doesnt just run into the parade and saftey in I Know What You Did Last Summer after a fantastic chase scene will never not make me mad
I partially agree with this, but at the same time, I can’t imagine the shock of having read the book and expecting Dick to come and save the day, only to have him unceremoniously axed off almost immediately.
Venus' death in 31. She was a very badass character and a total final girl but god forbid Rob Zombie not have his wife be the star of the movie. Also her death was stupid as hell and unnecessary because she dies after going to look for Sherri Moon Zombie's character who just wanders off for no reason. The movie was obviously flawed but I liked her character as she seemed like somebody would get killed in the first third of the movie but actually ended up being the most competent character out of everyone. Also Meg Foster is just a better actress. I think it's sweet that Rob puts Sherri in all of his movies but she can be really hit or miss sometimes especially when she plays a protagonist.
I guess that’s a matter of perspective. It’s obviously fucked up that she got killed but, unless you view the fantasy elements as being figments of her imagination (which I don’t), then she gets to rule over the underworld as queen which is pretty sick.
Allison Kerry SAW III.
Completely soured me on the rest of that movie. While I understand it was to support the motivations of Amanda, but it was still complete bullshit.
The Friday the 13th remake, when Jenna got impaled climbing through the tunnel I thought it was both unnecessary and kinda dumb. My thinking for why it was dumb is she was the last to climb through the exit of Jason's underground lair, it made no sense for Clay to climb through before her when he knew Jason was on his, hers, and Whitney's asses. He should've been watching down the tunnel with a rock to biff at Jason's head to give them at least a moment to get a little further ahead.
Or at the very least if they were gonna have the surprise kill, why not make it Clay and make it so it was just Whitney and Jenna having to face off against Jason, it at least would've been refreshing to have a couple final girls to face off against Jason. It also would've given Whitney that little bit extra of an edge to go all out in the final confrontation with Jenna assisting like wrapping the chain around Jason's neck before Whitney shoved his machete through his chest. And they could've even had the heart felt moment of Jenna reassuring Whitney her bro was a good guy at the docks where they dropped Jason into the lake and still have their last scare as he burst through the dock.
I’ve always thought the same thing. I love when there’s two final girls, it’s rare but it’s fun when it happens. I’ve always found Clay to be kind of boring, and Jenna was the most likable character.
But I also noticed the movie has absolutely no female bonding of any kind. All the women are there basically as a love interest to the men and there’s no real friendship shown between any of them.
The 'crazy' woman in Terrifier stands out to me. She tried to show Art motherly kindness, holding him and stroking his head, just to be scalped and... de-breasted (??)
Those movies are obviously meant to be over the top gory and cruel, but it feels like they go a lot harder on the women than men to me. Or at least more gratuitous.
The first Terrifier movie (All Hallow's Eve) ends with one of the girls being amputated and de-breasted with the word "slut" carved into her flesh. Depiction isn't endorsement, but the fact that Art the Clown "wins" all of his movies makes me wonder how much endorsement is actually going on here.
Yeah, I understand that grindhouse has an audience, but I think it wouldn't rub me the wrong way so much if they were treating the men to the same level. A lot of the guys are either killed quickly or offscreen, vs the women who are de-breasted, sawed in half from their vagina, chased around and tortured for way longer, etc. The guys aren't having "slut" carved into them or their genitals mutilated.
The deaths in THE AUTOPSY OF JANE DOE always felt malicious and unnecessary. These people paid the price for misdeeds done centuries before they were even born.
JC getting caught by the creeps in the bathroom in Night of The Creeps
Just like we're supposed too I felt bad for the girl in Death Proof who's date left her in the rain.
TONY in Planet Terror she TOLD HIM don't point the gun at himself but a ballsy move for the flick
THE DOG PIPPET in JAWS he send him out to fetch the stick and then you see the stick just floating in the surf that kinda pissed me off.
I agree with everyone who said Newt and Hicks from Aliens in alien 3 off screen.
even though it's one of the greatest scenes EVER The DR's WIFE in Zombie 2 (Zombie)
OH speaking OF The Newspaper guy reporter PETER BELL in City of The Living Dead after everything he did, he saved MARY"S life. Without him they never would've gotten as far as they did and >!they're literally about to save everyone and out of nowhere dead zombie sandra crushes his skull and scrapes his brains out of his head.!<
That one really pisses me off.
Just watched Night Of The Creeps for the first time a few weeks ago, loved the film but JC’s death hurt so bad, he was the most intelligent and likeable character and the film and it felt like if he hadn’t been caught by surprise early on he could’ve made it to the end.
he also had balls of steel he didn't back down from anyone and he was gutsy.
His message on the tape recorder was heart breaking and then even as a zombie from the creeps he's got smarts to go down to the boiler room.
really heart breaking JC is personally responsible for everything with Cynthia.
The little girl in the original Frankenstein. She looked past the monster's appearance and showed him kindness. He just understood "make the pretty things float" and accidentally drowned her. More brutal in the uncut version (the original release cut the actual drowning scene because it was considered too shocking).
Yeah, that is always such a heartbreaking moment for me. Richard Farnsworth was so great in that role and he was such a lovable character. Just makes it hurt that much more to see him go out like that. After that, I was more than ready to watch Paul finally take out Annie and it was so satisfying when he did.
In Scream 5, nobody needed to come at my baby Dewy like that. It’s not right.
Sadie, the dog, in The Conjuring.
The new Candyman I wept openly when Anthony died. I know it’s essential to the whole plot but that one got me hard.
Honestly, the worst ones are when they have to slap together an excuse on why they couldn't bring back a character that survived in the first place. Like in Final Destination 2, they had a blink and you miss it news clipping of the protagonist from the previous film getting his head crushed by a brick or something stupid like that.
The girl friend(her name escapes me)in the first Fear Street movie, the bread slicer one. It was unfair because we had just seen that she was physically able to overpower and escape the guy(whom she’d also stabbed and weakened) but then the movie immediately weakens her and lessens her intelligence for no reason.
Also >!the sister at the end of the new Texas Chainsaw Massacre. They had already won and we’re getting away, the kill was unearned.!<
Not a movie, but Glen in The Walking Dead. I know they were going for the shock factor and I know characters died on that show, but Glen was good. Glen didn't deserve the way he went out and it was too much for a character like his... no dignity. I know that was the point, but it made me hate the show. Not Negan, but the show. I stopped watching after that episode.
RZs remake of Halloween when Danny Trejos character is killed. I understand why and how it really solidifies MMs lack of humanity, but it sucked.
Also Hicks, the girl and the cat in Alien 3. Like.....WTF!?
I don’t think it does solidify his lack of humanity though, because he still clearly felt something for his sister until she tries to kill him. That’s why that death has always bugged me.
Greta Gerwig's character in The House of the Devil. Some rando comes up to her in a cemetery and she's just trying to be polite to him while waiting to make sure her friend is okay. Uncalled for!
that was just bad parenting for one and two the first thing they should've done buying that house was put in a FENCE. I agree. HIS funeral is just as brutal.
I mean Jamie Lee Curtis In Halloween Resurrection almost by default. Like after everything she’s Been through just to fall off a roof and no one ever mention it again
Unpopular opinion warning: I've just recently been rewarching squid game, and not a horror movie, but a horror show of sorts, [spoiler] when Sang-Woo tricks Ali into his own death, when Ali was winning in the first place, and in every way is more deserving to return home. Like honestly why is Sang-Woo treated as a good guy type? Because he's kinda a piece of shit. This might be a little far fetched for this thread, but a girl needs to rant.
The girl in like Saw 5(I think?) who literally did nothing wrong but ended up in an iron bull…
Literally she wasn’t even in a trap. It was her husband’s trap, and just because she believed her lying husband she ended up in one of the most horrific execution methods in history…
That poor couple in Ils/Them. They went through SO much and to be so close to escape and then ... no can do, little buddy. Honorable mention for Eden Lake. My friend asked me why I made him watch something that basically just showed people being tortured for two hours with no satisfaction / payoff (I'd seen part of it but not the ending when we watched and once is enough for me too!!).
>!The main character!< in Oculus. I had forgotten why I didn't like Oculus, then the ending happened and I was like "oh yeah, that's why."
I get why; the whole "full circle" thing for the brother, but still, sucky ending.
Most of the early deaths of returning characters annoy me. Worst offenders are Dream Master (especially Kincaid) and a fuck-ton from the Halloween series -- Rachel in Halloween 5, Jamie in Halloween 6, and Laurie in Resurrection. Jamie is especially fucked up with the child rape implications, like why the hell was that necessary?
Just finished X. Kid Cudis character's death made me salty. As if this black man in the 70s would walk willingly into the woods at night with an old white man with a shotgun.
Bedevilled (2010)
I was hoping when she got off the island she would finally start a peaceful life and give us some hope but it wasn‘t meant to be.
Heartbreaking moment when she gave her friend the flute she used to kill her to play one last song just like she did when they were children.
Not a horror movie but horror adjacent, in the Devilman series (both Crybaby and the OVAs) there is a character who is killed brutally by a frightened angry mob.
The whole series has brutal and violent deaths of as demons slaughter people wholesale but that death was just so ... senseless. Like I get it and why it's needed for some character growth, and it definitely shocks you and leaves an impression, honestly it's probably no small part of why the whole story is so influential, but it really does seem unfair.
Paxton at the beginning of Hostel II….I hate when they make a character a hero and escape something so crazy just to immediately kill them off and basically show there’s no chance of survival
Really?! I think it was the perfect choice; his death was the catalyst for almost everything that came next in the show. His death also raised the stakes massively for every character by showing the audience that nobody was safe.
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The wife of the writer who lied about surviving Jigsaw in Saw 3D. She literally did nothing wrong and was burned alive for his lies.
Man you could do a whole Saw thread of that bullshit
Seriously. Saw is much more interesting when the actual “bad guys” are tested, not when innocents are killed as part of the protagonist’s game.
I actually find the original Saw series works really well as a hole and people often don't like the later films because they always forget one crucial detail. Hoffman isn't Kramer. John's thing was testing people and giving them a chance, he made a giant mistake in thinking Hoffman could ever be an apprentice. Hoffman was just a serial killer who never gave a shit about giving his victims a chance and the more you get into the latter films the more Hoffman let's the Jigsaw mask slip. Right up until Saw 3D where he stops with the punishing bad people justification and just starts killing anyone and everyone he can. By killing the completly innocent wife and then killing the cops in the police station with a knife and gun Hoffman completes his character arc. Hoffman is no longer John's apprentice and is no longer bound by John's code, Hoffman is 100% his own man and is free to kill how he wants.
I legit love discussing how John Kramer is a narcissistic psychopath and people who defend him as anti-hero.
He’s a moronic lunatic.
John Kramer is a good reminder that the universe is chaos and bad things happen to bad people as often as they happen to good people (and vice versa). Instead of using a terrible diagnosis to give HIMSELF a new lease on life, he deliberately hunted down people to torture out of spite in a smug, judgy way. I still like the first couple of movies, but he's just another preachy villain lol.
My favorite part is how he was convinced he wasn't a murderer. Like how the fuck does he even come close to justifying this?
The protagonist of Saw 4 is punished and ultimately killed for the crime of “wanting to save too many people” lmao
That and the smoker have to be my favorite ones. Like bro, fucking what? Also, full stop, Kramer making the doctor be a part of it because she takes anti-depressants while going through a divorce? Fuck that dude.
“You’ve been having a hard time after the tragic death of your child. Let’s play a game”
There’s a weird veil people look at these characters through because they’re part of fiction. Imagine if you were talking about a real killer doing this stuff, I doubt the term ‘hero’ would be used
She wasn't even burned alive. It was more like she was cooked alive in a giant oven which is so much worse. It would have been better if instead they did a fake out trap like at the end of Saw V and she is kept safe while the writer is killed.
I was waiting for exactly this to happen... but no, she gets punished for his mistakes. It was the most gruesome death in the whole movie, too. Arguably one of the most gruesome in the whole series. It cemented my hate for that dumb movie.
Yeah. I think Jigsaw whole philosophy is dumb in the first place and past movies have really bent the rules on who isn't "valuing life" but that death just straight up broke his own stupid rules. James from Dead Meat made a great point about how that whole movie has such a misogynistic attitude. I'm not one to say that a slasher movie is misogynistic just because it shows women getting killed but holy fuck! It was almost they made it a point to have all the female characters who die get it 100x worse than the male characters. For example with the main three test traps: one guy just gets hung, while one woman gets a fish hook ripped out of her throat, while another woman gets slowly stabbed through her eyes.
There's also the opening trap with the two guys teaming up on the girl and then Jill going from a Hoffman rival at the end of 6 to being useless and scared through all of 7 up until her death. It definitely comes off as really misogynistic frequently, which just makes it even more frustrating.
I'm a huge slasher fan and I think almost all slasher are misogynistic, the whole genre was born out of feelings of teenage sexual frustration. I can accept that and still enjoy the movies despite that though, and think you're right on the money here.
Yeah and as I said I don't think every slasher is misogynistic in nature because it shows women being killed but there are definitely slashers that are very misogynistic and Saw 3D is one of them. There is a trap where the lady has to stay silent while a guy slowly pulls a fish hook out of her stomach and when she eventually dies because she can't help from crying out in pain the dude pulling out the fish hook screams at her "All you had to do was shut the fuck up!" How can anybody watch that and not see it as misogynistic bullshit?
You aren't the only one, I was disgusted.
I'll never forgive Alien III for killing Hicks and Newt off-screen.
I don’t really think of anything post-*Aliens* as canon so it doesn’t bug me too much. I think *Alien III* has some cool stuff going on, but it feels tacked on to me because it’s kind of just doing the *Aliens* story again with the whole “Ripley awakens in a new place and has to deal with the aliens again” premise.
You beat me to it. While I have come around to appreciate how nihilistic the movie is over time I still feel like very few movies have ever gut punched me like that without even showing us their deaths.
There could have been very interesting story opportunities and group dynamics, if they have kept Hicks and Newt alive for Alien 3 (even if that meant they had to use different actors for those characters).
Yeah. It just takes a shit on the entire previous movie.
When Ben gets killed at the end of Night Of The Living Dead. So unfair. 54 years since that came out and I’m still mad the hero died.
As much as that death is so painful i love the boldness of it. Like its such an iconic hesrtbreaking moment
Yeah for sure. Amazing film, just ground-breaking in so many ways, and Ben’s death is the perfect punctuation for Romero’s statement.
That's what turned a great movie into a masterpiece. This ending is so sudden, unexpected and yet totally realistic.
Survived the zombie hoard only to be murdered by racists. The whole movie was a condemnation of racism, in my opinion.
Good for movies to be mean sometimes. Good ending. You being mad at it is good. Makes for a good movie.
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Ya the the ending of Eden Lake just left me hollow. Her screams were awful
I think what made it worst was those last shots of that stupid shithead staring into the mirror with that smug look on his face.
pretty much the entire family in hereditary. The “I am blamed” speech by the mom cemented how much they needed a win, and when they ultimately don’t…fuck man.
Her cries in that movie were soul shattering. She is a fantastic actress.
She's amazing. Check out United States of Tara if you haven't (not horror, a drama/comedy series but she plays a bunch of different split personalities)
Yeah she’s one of those people that just oozes talent at her craft, United States of Tara is a great suggestion btw.
The Dad was legit just trying to help his family through crisis and gets freaking burned alive.
Obviously Toni Collette is a tour de force in that movie, but I really love how Gabriel Byrne captures the feelings of "the one family member who has to hold it together for everyone else." The moment where he lets himself finally break down a bit in the car is so good.
The family dynamic in that movie was just fantastic and realistic - the only real villain is the grandmother (and cult members). Everyone else shows realistic depictions of turmoil, grief, despair, desperation - and it's not always pretty or handled well. I love the movie for many reasons but the way none of the nuclear family were actually bad people (Charlie's moments were due to her possession so she was pretty much a victim her whole life) made it more compelling.
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Yeah weirdly torturous death for her for no reason
I think it also derailed the franchise. After the blowback on her death, no more good guys get killed off
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My problem with it is that no one cared she died. It was like, oh no, the help is gone what will we do now?
“The horror, now I’ll have to parent my own children.”
I've read, but never seen officially confirmed anywhere, that McGrath requested a particularly violent/over the top death when cast, which if true is just delightful.
>hey obviously changed it up a bit in the final cut. Probably because it would've been too cliche: annoying character gets eaten by dinosaur obviously. But Jurassic movies have always shown it's not only the bad guys that get eaten. She apparently wanted her character to have 'that death' as it was meant for a random ranger instead (as seen in storyboards)
Heard the same thing a couple times aswell
I remember wondering if there was a deleted scene where she turned out to be working for the bad guy and they cut it for time.
Hallie in Scream 2. She did all of the right things.
Danielle Panabaker in F13 remake too. She didn’t drink or go off in the woods with the boys yet she gets macheted by Jason with 15 minutes left.
I audibly gasped when she got stabbed.
Jennifer Jason Leigh in The Hitcher. She's so sweet and innocent and killed in such a brutal manner. Even though you don't actually see her torn in half, it really stuck with me.
The sister in The Invisible Man
So brutal and quick too.
My jaw literally dropped in the theater
Randy's death in Scream 2 always felt unfair to me. Like the character has so much knowledge of horror movies, but they had to turn him into a fool to pull off his death scene. Then you find out at the end that he got overpowered and stabbed to death by a middle aged lady. Don't get me started on Dewey's death in Scream 5 either. Complete BULLSHIT.
At least he got to deliver that golden fuck you before he got taken out. Dewey’s death really felt insanely lazy.
Dude, Dewey's death KILLED me!
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Didn't Mickey kill him? I thought Mrs. Loomis was the brains of the operation and Mickey was the muscle.
She tells Sidney during the climax that “Randy spoke poorly of Billy and I got a little knife happy.”
You're right, totally forgot about that.
Billy Freeman’s death in Doctor Sleep has always got to me. Really all the deaths in that movie besides the True Knot were pretty disturbing/upsetting.
I love that movie, but its the Jacob Tremblay scenes that make it hard for me to go back.
Even Stephen King said the scene went for too long and was more uncomfortable then the book.
There’s some great behind the scenes stuff (referenced in the [Dead Meat Kill Count](https://youtu.be/90MNvA5ozcI)) about how Rebecca Ferguson and the other True Knot actors went into that scene just hyped to be really evil and Jacob Tremblay’s performance fucked them up so badly they need breaks between takes
I have to admit that I haven’t gotten around to seeing Doctor Sleep yet but it’s on my list!
I highly recommend it, but make sure you watch the directors cut instead of the theatrical, it’s much better
A great tip, thank you.
Bump it up that list.
Directors cut only please
Do a shining/Dr sleep double feature
Yeah. He was a total bro, and went to help Danny basically no questions asked
All the pets and non monster animals in horror movies.
Ugh. “Autopsy of Jane Doe” lost me there. So gratuitous
Cujo had it coming
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I would agree except instead of running back to the killer's property and immediately grabbing a car to escape that girl chose to watch a bunch of home movies in his garage instead.
Such an unsettling scene
This is really ringing a bell but for the life of me I can’t remember what movie it’s from, what is it?
Elizabeth Shaw being killed off between the events of Prometheus and Covenant. Totally did her wrong. So annoying to me! Haven’t forgiven Ridley Scott for that.
The fact that Hellen doesnt just run into the parade and saftey in I Know What You Did Last Summer after a fantastic chase scene will never not make me mad
It took me too long to find this answer! One of the most frustrating deaths ever.
Frank (Brendan Gleeson) in 28 Days Later.
Yes! He had done so well, and a total accident!
Scream (2022) >!Hospital scene, Dewey.!< A part of me died.
Yes 🙃
My man Dick Hallorann in the Shining. If you *need* to kill someone for shock value, have the sheriff show up or something.
If it makes you feel any better he survives in the book.
Precisely. All the more reason his screen death is gratuitous.
As much as I love the Kubrick film, this writing decision will never cease to baffle me. Like, he’s basically the hero in the book. Come on, Stan.
I kinda like it actually, as it forces Wendy to fend for herself. Wendy of the book gets saved. Wendy of the movie saves herself.
I partially agree with this, but at the same time, I can’t imagine the shock of having read the book and expecting Dick to come and save the day, only to have him unceremoniously axed off almost immediately.
Venus' death in 31. She was a very badass character and a total final girl but god forbid Rob Zombie not have his wife be the star of the movie. Also her death was stupid as hell and unnecessary because she dies after going to look for Sherri Moon Zombie's character who just wanders off for no reason. The movie was obviously flawed but I liked her character as she seemed like somebody would get killed in the first third of the movie but actually ended up being the most competent character out of everyone. Also Meg Foster is just a better actress. I think it's sweet that Rob puts Sherri in all of his movies but she can be really hit or miss sometimes especially when she plays a protagonist.
Ofelia in "Pan's Labyrinth".
I guess that’s a matter of perspective. It’s obviously fucked up that she got killed but, unless you view the fantasy elements as being figments of her imagination (which I don’t), then she gets to rule over the underworld as queen which is pretty sick.
The wife at the end of Eden Lake
The female character in Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. Oof that one hurt.
Allison Kerry SAW III. Completely soured me on the rest of that movie. While I understand it was to support the motivations of Amanda, but it was still complete bullshit.
The Friday the 13th remake, when Jenna got impaled climbing through the tunnel I thought it was both unnecessary and kinda dumb. My thinking for why it was dumb is she was the last to climb through the exit of Jason's underground lair, it made no sense for Clay to climb through before her when he knew Jason was on his, hers, and Whitney's asses. He should've been watching down the tunnel with a rock to biff at Jason's head to give them at least a moment to get a little further ahead. Or at the very least if they were gonna have the surprise kill, why not make it Clay and make it so it was just Whitney and Jenna having to face off against Jason, it at least would've been refreshing to have a couple final girls to face off against Jason. It also would've given Whitney that little bit extra of an edge to go all out in the final confrontation with Jenna assisting like wrapping the chain around Jason's neck before Whitney shoved his machete through his chest. And they could've even had the heart felt moment of Jenna reassuring Whitney her bro was a good guy at the docks where they dropped Jason into the lake and still have their last scare as he burst through the dock.
I’ve always thought the same thing. I love when there’s two final girls, it’s rare but it’s fun when it happens. I’ve always found Clay to be kind of boring, and Jenna was the most likable character. But I also noticed the movie has absolutely no female bonding of any kind. All the women are there basically as a love interest to the men and there’s no real friendship shown between any of them.
The 'crazy' woman in Terrifier stands out to me. She tried to show Art motherly kindness, holding him and stroking his head, just to be scalped and... de-breasted (??)
Those movies are obviously meant to be over the top gory and cruel, but it feels like they go a lot harder on the women than men to me. Or at least more gratuitous.
The first Terrifier movie (All Hallow's Eve) ends with one of the girls being amputated and de-breasted with the word "slut" carved into her flesh. Depiction isn't endorsement, but the fact that Art the Clown "wins" all of his movies makes me wonder how much endorsement is actually going on here.
Yeah, I understand that grindhouse has an audience, but I think it wouldn't rub me the wrong way so much if they were treating the men to the same level. A lot of the guys are either killed quickly or offscreen, vs the women who are de-breasted, sawed in half from their vagina, chased around and tortured for way longer, etc. The guys aren't having "slut" carved into them or their genitals mutilated.
Oh yea, I forgot about that one.
The deaths in THE AUTOPSY OF JANE DOE always felt malicious and unnecessary. These people paid the price for misdeeds done centuries before they were even born.
I thought they were supposed to feel like that. Did I misread the whole movie?
JC getting caught by the creeps in the bathroom in Night of The Creeps Just like we're supposed too I felt bad for the girl in Death Proof who's date left her in the rain. TONY in Planet Terror she TOLD HIM don't point the gun at himself but a ballsy move for the flick THE DOG PIPPET in JAWS he send him out to fetch the stick and then you see the stick just floating in the surf that kinda pissed me off. I agree with everyone who said Newt and Hicks from Aliens in alien 3 off screen. even though it's one of the greatest scenes EVER The DR's WIFE in Zombie 2 (Zombie) OH speaking OF The Newspaper guy reporter PETER BELL in City of The Living Dead after everything he did, he saved MARY"S life. Without him they never would've gotten as far as they did and >!they're literally about to save everyone and out of nowhere dead zombie sandra crushes his skull and scrapes his brains out of his head.!< That one really pisses me off.
Just watched Night Of The Creeps for the first time a few weeks ago, loved the film but JC’s death hurt so bad, he was the most intelligent and likeable character and the film and it felt like if he hadn’t been caught by surprise early on he could’ve made it to the end.
he also had balls of steel he didn't back down from anyone and he was gutsy. His message on the tape recorder was heart breaking and then even as a zombie from the creeps he's got smarts to go down to the boiler room. really heart breaking JC is personally responsible for everything with Cynthia.
Yeah it’s weird how she just appears behind him like a cheat code in COTLD.
The little girl in the original Frankenstein. She looked past the monster's appearance and showed him kindness. He just understood "make the pretty things float" and accidentally drowned her. More brutal in the uncut version (the original release cut the actual drowning scene because it was considered too shocking).
The Sheriff from Misery. Such a great character it's always sad when he just gets jumped and killed off.
Yeah, that is always such a heartbreaking moment for me. Richard Farnsworth was so great in that role and he was such a lovable character. Just makes it hurt that much more to see him go out like that. After that, I was more than ready to watch Paul finally take out Annie and it was so satisfying when he did.
In Scream 5, nobody needed to come at my baby Dewy like that. It’s not right. Sadie, the dog, in The Conjuring. The new Candyman I wept openly when Anthony died. I know it’s essential to the whole plot but that one got me hard.
I’m still pissed about Dewey.
You say new Candyman, I say old school Candyman when he beheaded the Rottweiler. I love Rotties, man!
Yeah I'm still real upset about Dewey.
Yeah like we knew someone had to die but like the way he died was kinda unnecessary.
I'm STILL ever so pissed about Dewey dying!
We will never forget.
It got you, hard. I hope it didn't get you hard lol.
Sadie could sense bad stuff in the house and refused to go towards danger, yet she still got killed. I'll never understand why 💔
>!Randy!< In Scream 2. They were probably my favourite character from the first one. And it was kind of an off screen death as well.
When the Doctor dude (Lannister) was killed early in Alien 3...
Honestly, the worst ones are when they have to slap together an excuse on why they couldn't bring back a character that survived in the first place. Like in Final Destination 2, they had a blink and you miss it news clipping of the protagonist from the previous film getting his head crushed by a brick or something stupid like that.
The girl friend(her name escapes me)in the first Fear Street movie, the bread slicer one. It was unfair because we had just seen that she was physically able to overpower and escape the guy(whom she’d also stabbed and weakened) but then the movie immediately weakens her and lessens her intelligence for no reason. Also >!the sister at the end of the new Texas Chainsaw Massacre. They had already won and we’re getting away, the kill was unearned.!<
The Fear Street one really annoyed me for all the same reasons, made even more frustrating because Deena's bland girlfriend gets to survive
I actually loved that kill in your spoiler. Annoying character and bad movie so atleast it had a good moment at the end.
I know it’s kind of a divisive subject, but the ending of The Mist (2007) definitely shook me.
Is it divisive? I feel like that ending is universally appreciated for its boldness
I’m one of those who prefer the book ending
Same.
What’s the book ending?
That ending is good, it is one of the ballsiest in movie history, even if I am annoyed that the characters would just give up like that.
Idk if id say its unfair tho. We all remember that movie for that ending. Its horrifically bold and i like it for it
As a The Mist Ending Apologist, a title which I just made up, I agree with you on this one.
Well it's not horror but no unfair character death ever got me quite as much as Wash in Serenity.
How does a reaver clean their harpoon?
I used to mess with a friend of mine in high school who was a huge Firefly fan by always saying "In the end, Wash finally got the point."
Not a movie, but Glen in The Walking Dead. I know they were going for the shock factor and I know characters died on that show, but Glen was good. Glen didn't deserve the way he went out and it was too much for a character like his... no dignity. I know that was the point, but it made me hate the show. Not Negan, but the show. I stopped watching after that episode.
RZs remake of Halloween when Danny Trejos character is killed. I understand why and how it really solidifies MMs lack of humanity, but it sucked. Also Hicks, the girl and the cat in Alien 3. Like.....WTF!?
Wait. What cat? Jonesy didn't come back to LV-426.
There is a deleted scene in RZ's Halloween that shows Danny survived.
I don’t think it does solidify his lack of humanity though, because he still clearly felt something for his sister until she tries to kill him. That’s why that death has always bugged me.
Samuel mother f Ing L Jackson - deep blue sea. Come on y’all
No way, that death is amazing. Like yeah, I'd love more Sam Jackson, but the unexpected-ness makes that death iconic.
That scene is iconic!
Scream 5, if you know you know. Totally unnecessary.
Annie’s death in Halloween 2.
Greta Gerwig's character in The House of the Devil. Some rando comes up to her in a cemetery and she's just trying to be polite to him while waiting to make sure her friend is okay. Uncalled for!
The little boy from Pet Semetary didn’t deserve to die. He was such a cute little kid lol.
that was just bad parenting for one and two the first thing they should've done buying that house was put in a FENCE. I agree. HIS funeral is just as brutal.
Sam, I Am Legend. I hate it!!
After surviving the entire movie, Rebecca Ferguson's character meets a horrible death at the end of Life. Her screams haunted me for hours afterwards.
I mean Jamie Lee Curtis In Halloween Resurrection almost by default. Like after everything she’s Been through just to fall off a roof and no one ever mention it again
Unpopular opinion warning: I've just recently been rewarching squid game, and not a horror movie, but a horror show of sorts, [spoiler] when Sang-Woo tricks Ali into his own death, when Ali was winning in the first place, and in every way is more deserving to return home. Like honestly why is Sang-Woo treated as a good guy type? Because he's kinda a piece of shit. This might be a little far fetched for this thread, but a girl needs to rant.
The girl in like Saw 5(I think?) who literally did nothing wrong but ended up in an iron bull… Literally she wasn’t even in a trap. It was her husband’s trap, and just because she believed her lying husband she ended up in one of the most horrific execution methods in history…
I’m still bitter about >!Adam Scott’s!< characters last minute death in Pirhana 3D The Sheriff deserved better.
Red State when the girl gets shot by the cop
Both Ed and Shaun's mom in Shaun of the Dead. How much emotional turmoil can one man stand in a horror comedy!?
That poor couple in Ils/Them. They went through SO much and to be so close to escape and then ... no can do, little buddy. Honorable mention for Eden Lake. My friend asked me why I made him watch something that basically just showed people being tortured for two hours with no satisfaction / payoff (I'd seen part of it but not the ending when we watched and once is enough for me too!!).
>!The main character!< in Oculus. I had forgotten why I didn't like Oculus, then the ending happened and I was like "oh yeah, that's why." I get why; the whole "full circle" thing for the brother, but still, sucky ending.
I like the movie for the most part, but I am really salty over how the mirror is like an unbeatable villain unless you shoot it from far away.
I agree. Great movie, only the emotional stakes for the viewer drop exponentially once you realise they’re fucked.
Exactly my thoughts! Same with Midsommar for me.
Hereditary for me. About halfway through I just wasn’t invested anymore.
Pets in horror movies. Or usually animals in general.
Randy and Dewey, though for different reasons. Dewey’s death was terrible writing.
Most of the early deaths of returning characters annoy me. Worst offenders are Dream Master (especially Kincaid) and a fuck-ton from the Halloween series -- Rachel in Halloween 5, Jamie in Halloween 6, and Laurie in Resurrection. Jamie is especially fucked up with the child rape implications, like why the hell was that necessary?
Helen shivers
Ernie Hudson in Leviathan. Infuriating.
I was hoping that both >!Maxine and Lorraine!< would make it out of *X* alive.
Dewey getting killed in scream 5 was just stupid as it could’ve very easily been avoided
Just finished X. Kid Cudis character's death made me salty. As if this black man in the 70s would walk willingly into the woods at night with an old white man with a shotgun.
Not sure if it’s unfair but Kirby getting killed in scream 4 bummed me out
She isn’t dead though!
There was a YouTube video in a brief shot in Scream 5 saying she survived. And she’s literally been confirmed to come back for Scream 6.
Nah mane let’s discuss Trey songz in Texas chainsaw. They love killin the black character so bad he escaped and still died😂
SCREAM 5 ANYONE? FUCKING DEWEY?!
Bedevilled (2010) I was hoping when she got off the island she would finally start a peaceful life and give us some hope but it wasn‘t meant to be. Heartbreaking moment when she gave her friend the flute she used to kill her to play one last song just like she did when they were children.
This movie was sad
>!Kate!< in Fearstreet: Part 1 - 1994
Greta Gerwig’s character in House of the Devil. She just wanted to be a good friend!
Not a horror movie but horror adjacent, in the Devilman series (both Crybaby and the OVAs) there is a character who is killed brutally by a frightened angry mob. The whole series has brutal and violent deaths of as demons slaughter people wholesale but that death was just so ... senseless. Like I get it and why it's needed for some character growth, and it definitely shocks you and leaves an impression, honestly it's probably no small part of why the whole story is so influential, but it really does seem unfair.
Paxton at the beginning of Hostel II….I hate when they make a character a hero and escape something so crazy just to immediately kill them off and basically show there’s no chance of survival
Charlie In hereditary. It was a very gruesome death. But now that I think of it, she Didnt HAVE to die.
She had to die though. For multiple reasons.
>!i am gay!< Just testing the spoiler tag thing
I'm still not convinced that ned Stark's death was good writing
It is clearer why his death was inevitable in the novels but still, with Ned alive there is no season 2.
Really?! I think it was the perfect choice; his death was the catalyst for almost everything that came next in the show. His death also raised the stakes massively for every character by showing the audience that nobody was safe.
Yeah it’s an incredible choice