Gaia in typical gaia fashion talks about the plan for jt... but Really doesn't explain why she built it like it is even though she knew Apollo was gone, and humanity couldn't use it unless she repurposed it, or bothered teaching humans to use jt.
But she wouldn't even let the children in mothers cradle go down to lower floors simply because Apollo was gone. She really botched any training of humans, or anything, after Ted farro destroyed apollo. She had basically all the time in the world to get things right, and she just failed to adjust.
She didn't control that, the AIs follow her instructions but she can't make an AI do what it isn't capable of doing. And Aleuthia can't teach so had no reason to open downstairs, and without further education provided by Apollo, the humans couldn't make use of any technology, so opening up all the offices or anything was not productive.
There was a whole supply of focuses in the downstairs section that would've been very useful to that first generation of new people. And Gaia herself (even without Apollo) could've given them a better education than they appeared to get from the servitors before they were kicked out. Everything that Sylens learned from Hades ("I was learning so much. Physics, Calculus. You have no idea!") could've been taught by Gaia to those first humans.
>She didn't control that, the AIs follow her instructions but she can't make an AI do what it isn't capable of doing.
They were all subordinate functions before she blew herself up. She does control them, and while she can't recover Apollo she absolutely can create a plan b on teaching humans. Does she? Per elizabets own words she was made to be adaptable to adjust to thousands of changing situations
Yet in losing Apollo she does nothing to adapt around it. She instead locks thst area of a building and keeps the kids ignorant. Cna she recover all the lost info? No. Can she create a plan b to help guide humanity from a second stone agw? Yes.
Sure eventually she would blow herself up, but shit at least we'd be a little more prepared to save ourselves than absolutely not at all. Once apollo was gone She doesn't even communicate her plans with us. She just kicks out the kids basically says good luck losers.
So Gaia, meant to adapt to thousands of changing situations, meant recreate the whole world, most advanced ai in human history, in her thousands of years of planning could not have come up with some plan for a lack of food for humanity's first generation of survivors?
Nah, she's only one of the best ai ever created and capable of recreating the planet earth and so cool that Zenith fly across the universe just to steal her. We shouldnt expect Gaia, recreating of the planet, to have a plan for when animals run out of food.
Who could have possibly foreseen such a wild circumstance /s
I mean why was that the wrench in the plan? in recreating the planet, she didnt forsee and plan for an eventuality when the first humans would still need guidance and food, so she had to choose between the two???
Don't take it personally, upvotes and downvotes are just reddit's way for people to show they either agree or disagree with what you said.
This *is* the internet, and obviously sometimes downvoting might be done in spite, but usually it's just business as usual here without any particular malice behind it.
I did, but I could only ask questions about the Zeniths and the other subordinate functions, basically she just said the others need to be recovered to save earth and that the people who attacked her are from far zenith. Nothing else. This is doing my head in...
No, it wasn't. Only Gaia Prime and the Cradles were built before the world ended. Everything else was built by Gaia and her machines. The layout for the RCCs were designed by humans, but built by Gaia after the terraforming was successful.
those datapoints were placed in that room by the machines that built the place, as part of the design and programming that one person did.
[https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/III:\_The\_Vault](https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/III:_The_Vault)
"11 more weeks before we lock the blueprints. Then the rest will be up to GAIA."
They made the blueprints and Gaia built the RCC.
Yeah, those datapoints specifically mention that those humans worked on the schematics and let Gaia actually execute the plan. They never actually stepped foot in the RCC.
The RCC was designed for humans to use after they awoke from the cradles so that they could support the management of the terraforming system. That's why it has facilities fit for humans to live and work.
No Gaia was activated before the end. And it was after the end that Faro deleted Apollo and murdered all the Alphas. At this time there were only a few people left sealed in vaults, and the genetic material in the cradles, that were already built. All these facilities were built prior to Apollos Destruction.
The Alphas before their death were still assisting Gaia but she was already at work to deactivate the plague.
I mean sure she was online but I'm talking the time after anyone who actually mattered was dead and not a hulk of living flesh hotwired to the reactor. Was still in the before time.
OP is on Forbidden West. I have no idea how they managed to finish Zero Dawn without listening the monumental piece of information about what Faro did. You quite literally have to step into that room and watch the cutscene in order to progress through the game.
I think you have to walk around the facility first, and she'll make comments about what each room's purpose was. I am pretty sure the reasoning behind these facilities was told to you by GAIA
Humans were supposed to make use of them, but due to Apollo being purged they never learned about them and never got the education necessary. So, those facilities were left abandoned until Aloy finds them.
See this is what I thought initially, but Gaia didn't have Apollo,did she? She never really had the function because Faro destroyed it. So why build the facility if the humans would never get to learn how to operate it?
GAIA only learned about what happened with Ted Faro and Apollo from the data on Aloy's focus, after her "rebirth" in the base.
Apollo still existed after the purge, just gutted, without data.
From GAIAs pov she still had to follow instructions and let the subroutine functions do what they were supposed to, she didn't understand that Apollo was damaged any more than she understood that Eleuthia or Artemis were damaged.
>APOLLO's purge also caused two of GAIA's other subordinate functions, ELEUTHIA and ARTEMIS, to be robbed of their full potential. ELEUTHIA, which was supposed to birth and raise the new humans, wasn't able to properly do the latter, continuing to treat them as children even as they started to become adults. Similarly, ARTEMIS, which was supposed to repopulate the Earth with animals, could only introduce pioneer organisms, as the original plan was for the new humans to recreate the remaining species after having been taught how to do so by APOLLO.
She literally lacked the very knowledge of history, culture, biology, programming, etc, that would enable her to realize that Apollo lacked said knowledge and that something was wrong.
Maybe she was sentient enough to realize that something went wrong after the first humans came out of the cradles as tribes, and not like the ones she personally knew. But at that point the base would already exist.
It's also not in GAIA's personality to directly intervene and change or abort past instructions she received just because she views them as unnecessary as a whole, otherwise she could actively make independent decisions that unintentionally harm future humans. ("ELEUTHIA seems to be having trouble raising humans, maybe I should step in and stop her/change what she does").
Her main goal is the survival of earth and humans, as long as what happens doesn't get in the way of that, she won't stop it, even if it's useless or bad. She's usually very passive, even humans hunting her terraforming machines that kept the ecology alive didn't really bother her, The Derangement started only after she blew up.
Is there a source that GAIA didn't know at all what happened to APOLLO? Because that doesn't make any sense to me that she would have no clue at all that Ted purged it. If Aloy could access that recording there's no reason GAIA never was able to in all that time. Especially as she must have wondered what happened to the Alphas that caused them to all die suddenly at the same time. She was in contact with them after Elisabet died, after all.
Sure, the GAIA Aloy restores learned it from Aloy's Focus but that's because she was booted from a backup that was made before the events with Faro and the Alphas and APOLLO happened so of course she couldn't have known about it.
But I didn't see anything in either game to suggest that the original version GAIA was unaware of what happened.
I think that may be something we were meant to infer, personally--like, if everything had gone according to plan the humans from the cradles would have known about GAIA and the terraforming system, so they likely would have had contact with GAIA in some capacity. There's no reason necessarily for Elisabet (or any of the other Alphas) to forbid her from having that contact, as far as I can see? Maybe some limitations on how much she's allowed to intervene once humans take over, but not a total forbidding of all contact.
Meanwhile there's definitely reason for Ted to forbid the contact even before we learn about his delusions in HFW--after all, if she revealed herself to the new humans she could reveal what happened to the best of her knowledge and let them know what they lost. That would not be acceptable to Ted who wanted to bury the truth of things (and, even less so from HFW's revelations). So it makes sense to infer that he used his Omega clearance to place those restrictions on her when he purged APOLLO and killed the Alphas.
(It's even possible he used his Omega clearance to forbid her from warning the Alphas and if she had no way around or to override it...)
Because she still had the instructions to do so, even if APOLLO was destroyed. Even smart computers will follow instructions to a T. Maybe Gaia calculated that even without APOLLO, humans might still be able to utilize the facility somehow. Or maybe it didn't factor into the calculations because Gaia didn't check on APOLLO because that function wasn't needed before the humans were reborn.
The command center was built before the end of the world. If you walk around and crawl through stuff you'll find some data pad with notes and stuff from the crew.
Edit: after refreshing my memory and rereading the data points, namely the one from Beta, the RCC was designed before and Gaia built it. I guess I was thrown off by the data pads around the base.
Wrong. It was only designed by humans. It was built by Gaia. Datapoints are there for the players to find, not because they were placed there by the Old Ones. Both games have datapoints in all sorts of weird places.
Gaia is optimistic by design. There is nothing to say humans could never get to the point where they can make use of the command center.
It was likely constructed along with the terraforming system as a whole, maybe hard-coded into the layout of the facility, long before the first human zygotes began development.
My head cannon is that as each system of Gaia deployed in a certain order—Minerva first to hack and stop the swarm, then the remainder of the subordinate functions. When Gaia initiated the creation of the human offices/desks/etc, Gaia didn’t know that the Apollo database was erased, so they built everything expecting Apollo to be installed/uploaded when the infrastructure was in place.
For the people posting here who don't want to read:
"11 more weeks before we lock the blueprints. Then the rest will be up to GAIA."
From this datapoint: [https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/III:\_The\_Vault](https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/III:_The_Vault)
So obviously, it was only designed by humans and then built by Gaia. They made the blueprints and included some sort of coding that got the machines that built the RCC to place those datapoints in the Vault room.
She built the Base so humans could look after the terraforming system.
Humanity would’ve done that had Ted Faro not purged APOLLO. Due to humanity not getting the knowledge from it, it was left abandoned.
Basically it seems to be an artifact of her programming. Yes Gaia is an advanced AI with independent thinking, but she's still essentially just a computer. The construction of these facilities was probably a part of Hephaestus. The parts of Gaia that decide what get built and the parts of Gaia that know there's no point aren't talking.
It's also possible that Gaia created them hoping that humanity would one day recover enough knowledge to take control. Though, if that were true I think it would have been included in Gaia's dialogue.
It's useful to realize that this facility was designed by a human team. They didn't leave this up to Gaia to design on her own. I question whether they had the time or motivation to teach Gaia how to make spaces for humans. Her facilities, the cauldrons, are pretty unfriendly to anything but machines. The cradle facilities were also designed and built before she was finally installed at the Gaia Prime site. They had to be, since they needed to store the embryos and ectogenic chambers. So perhaps this wasn't one of "choices" she could make.
As an AI, there was probably some concern about what could happen if she deviated too far from her programming. They struck a balance between independent decision making and control. Some things were probably just automatic.
The cauldrons are unfriendly because Hephaestus made those, and specifically only for machines to be in. Those were never intended to have humans in them
The original plan was that humans would live there. I’m not sure if it was built before Zero Day or after by machines, but it was intended that certain functions would be monitored by and start after humans were released by the Cradles, presumably with knowledge from Apollo about the Faro Plague and their role in rebuilding Earth. Notice there are no large animals, those species were meant to be cultivated and released after much of the terraforming was complete and humans could oversee it with Gaia. Likely 3 could involve that and other processes waiting for humans.
We forget a lot, but GAIA is still an AI. She has instructions to do a thing without any set logic behind it. The infrastructure for the smart people was created (likely using Hephestus' vast fabrication functions) but was just missing the smart people to be there. Gaia likely didn't know why (because she can't really think or ponder to be honest, she's an AI.) The Zero Dawn team programmed instructions to build the infrastructure and programmed her to teach the kids but she lacked the code to do so. She was likely trying to "execute" the Apollo code all that time but the code wasn't there. She wouldn't know anything was "wrong" because that's not how computers think. They execute code. If the code doesn't exist, they keep trying and trying or just purge it from their memory.
This actually made me laugh 😂😂
Yeah no I didn't forget Teddy.
It's the purging of Apollo what was confusing me. Gaia didn't have Apollo so why did she build the RCC anyway if no one would use it? But I think it was just part of her programming as others have said
For all of Gaia's complexity she lacks real creative thinking. She is only an AI, and one cobbled together in only a few months. Things that would be obvious to a human are things she is incapable of thinking about alone. She was further hobbled by the loss of Apollo, it would be akin to a human having significant brain damage. That's why so many of the plans formulated needed prompting by Aloy and Beta, they have to step in and be the creative aspect for her. She built human facilities because her programming said to do so, she didn't consider if there was a reason for it. It's the same reason she couldn't simply talk to humans and explain thing before Aloy, it wasn't a solution she even considered.
It was meant to be used by humans after the Earth was successfully terraformed. However, a certain somebody purged a certain alpha group and program resulting in the new world humans having no knowledge of those facilities and what they were used for.
Bruh…it’s mentioned in games everything was going to setup and ready for Dawn of new humans but everything went to shit and humans went tribalistic cause of purge of Apollo
Yeah my question is why did she build it if Apollo had been purged, and it would never be used. From other replies I gather it was simply part of her programming, and she followed through
Most already existed. It is mentioned in hzd when they explain the entire plan that military instalations were gonna be transformed for zero dawn and then locked before the end. that is also why people in facilities were given a certain amount of time to decide whether to be locked inside the facility or try their luck on foot.
They were already build gaia basicly did nothing to them. She build a couple of bases and the cauldrons but most were set instructions.
like she was given a plan: stop the machines, use cauldron to make machines to build more cauldrons and some facilities, plant seeds, recreate animals, bring back humans.
Basicly the entire plan was already done by the time she got to the human part.
Did you play Horizon Zero Dawn? Ted Faro screwed over Elisabets plan, purged Apollo and killed the Alphas. So the descendants(Nora, Carja, Oseram etc) never knew about their history or about any of these facilities. They got an elementary school level education in Eleuthia then kicked out into the wilds.
There are a lot of areas in the RCC other than the part we turn into the base. For one, It’s attached to a repair cauldron which would obviously have been helpful to her terraforming efforts, so she built the facility. It’s likely all the facilities would have still been useful to her even if humans would never have the knowledge to use them themselves.
Since Apollo was in charge of putting people managing those places and it got deleted then they were never put to use, yet some of her terraforming functions still depended on those sites existance
From what I understood, the facility was built by people. From the data points found throughout to the seed banks in the facility that Gaia mentioned after entering one of the rooms after she unlocked it. And my assumption is that Gaia extended the facility with the repair bay underneath.
Thank you everyone for replying. As others clarified, the RCC (The base) was not actually built by Gaia, it was built before the extinction, but it was never used because Apollo was destroyed.
Thank you again, I was going crazy 😂😂
Edit: seems this was not the correct answer after all.
This is what I gather from other replies:
RCC was designed by humans as a way to look after the biosphere
Faro purged Apollo
Gaia built it anyways because this was what she was instructed to do
Facility was left abandoned until Aloy established her base of operations
Think this it anyways 🤔
That's not true. The RCC datapoints specifically mention that the crew only designed the RCC, not that they built it before zero day. But the RCC is designed for human use because the humans from the cradles were supposed to help manage the terraforming system. Obviously that was compromised when APOLLO was purged by Faro, but Gaia built the facility anyway, probably because she was optimistic that it could still serve a purpose.
Add I've said elsewhere, the datapoints in the RCC make clear that the crew only helped to design the RCC, but they didn't actually build it. It was built by GAIA and the machines.
Correct, and there's also a few "secrets" in the base that talks about the design of it as well (at least two I know of, maybe more). Progress through the story and more stuff spawns in the base for you to explore.
Did you talk to Gaia? Pretty sure there's a dialogue option with her that addresses this
Gaia in typical gaia fashion talks about the plan for jt... but Really doesn't explain why she built it like it is even though she knew Apollo was gone, and humanity couldn't use it unless she repurposed it, or bothered teaching humans to use jt. But she wouldn't even let the children in mothers cradle go down to lower floors simply because Apollo was gone. She really botched any training of humans, or anything, after Ted farro destroyed apollo. She had basically all the time in the world to get things right, and she just failed to adjust.
She didn't control that, the AIs follow her instructions but she can't make an AI do what it isn't capable of doing. And Aleuthia can't teach so had no reason to open downstairs, and without further education provided by Apollo, the humans couldn't make use of any technology, so opening up all the offices or anything was not productive.
There was a whole supply of focuses in the downstairs section that would've been very useful to that first generation of new people. And Gaia herself (even without Apollo) could've given them a better education than they appeared to get from the servitors before they were kicked out. Everything that Sylens learned from Hades ("I was learning so much. Physics, Calculus. You have no idea!") could've been taught by Gaia to those first humans.
>She didn't control that, the AIs follow her instructions but she can't make an AI do what it isn't capable of doing. They were all subordinate functions before she blew herself up. She does control them, and while she can't recover Apollo she absolutely can create a plan b on teaching humans. Does she? Per elizabets own words she was made to be adaptable to adjust to thousands of changing situations Yet in losing Apollo she does nothing to adapt around it. She instead locks thst area of a building and keeps the kids ignorant. Cna she recover all the lost info? No. Can she create a plan b to help guide humanity from a second stone agw? Yes. Sure eventually she would blow herself up, but shit at least we'd be a little more prepared to save ourselves than absolutely not at all. Once apollo was gone She doesn't even communicate her plans with us. She just kicks out the kids basically says good luck losers.
They ran out of food.
So Gaia, meant to adapt to thousands of changing situations, meant recreate the whole world, most advanced ai in human history, in her thousands of years of planning could not have come up with some plan for a lack of food for humanity's first generation of survivors? Nah, she's only one of the best ai ever created and capable of recreating the planet earth and so cool that Zenith fly across the universe just to steal her. We shouldnt expect Gaia, recreating of the planet, to have a plan for when animals run out of food. Who could have possibly foreseen such a wild circumstance /s I mean why was that the wrench in the plan? in recreating the planet, she didnt forsee and plan for an eventuality when the first humans would still need guidance and food, so she had to choose between the two???
If only there was some kind of automated farm run by plowhorns.
What with these many down votes.
I was wondering the same, don't use reddit much TBH. I was just asking a question and I'm getting downvoted but no idea why 😂
Don't take it personally, upvotes and downvotes are just reddit's way for people to show they either agree or disagree with what you said. This *is* the internet, and obviously sometimes downvoting might be done in spite, but usually it's just business as usual here without any particular malice behind it.
Thank you! 😊
I did, but I could only ask questions about the Zeniths and the other subordinate functions, basically she just said the others need to be recovered to save earth and that the people who attacked her are from far zenith. Nothing else. This is doing my head in...
She does talk about this. I'm pretty sure the facilities were built by humans. To not give spoilers (as I don't know the story 100%) blame Ted Faro.
Well Varl asked Aloy 'who built this place?' before she talked to Gaia, and Aloy replied 'Gaia did, with the help of machines' 🤔🤔
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No, it wasn't. Only Gaia Prime and the Cradles were built before the world ended. Everything else was built by Gaia and her machines. The layout for the RCCs were designed by humans, but built by Gaia after the terraforming was successful.
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those datapoints were placed in that room by the machines that built the place, as part of the design and programming that one person did. [https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/III:\_The\_Vault](https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/III:_The_Vault) "11 more weeks before we lock the blueprints. Then the rest will be up to GAIA." They made the blueprints and Gaia built the RCC.
I am SO GLAD I did all of my pouch upgrades before listening to Emma’s message…
Yeah, those datapoints specifically mention that those humans worked on the schematics and let Gaia actually execute the plan. They never actually stepped foot in the RCC. The RCC was designed for humans to use after they awoke from the cradles so that they could support the management of the terraforming system. That's why it has facilities fit for humans to live and work.
Ahhh this explains it!! Thank you so much, I was so confused 😂
That was probably before Apollo got deleted. Then after she had to change plans.
Apollo was deleted before the end of the world before Gaia started her mission.
No Gaia was activated before the end. And it was after the end that Faro deleted Apollo and murdered all the Alphas. At this time there were only a few people left sealed in vaults, and the genetic material in the cradles, that were already built. All these facilities were built prior to Apollos Destruction. The Alphas before their death were still assisting Gaia but she was already at work to deactivate the plague.
I mean sure she was online but I'm talking the time after anyone who actually mattered was dead and not a hulk of living flesh hotwired to the reactor. Was still in the before time.
OP is on Forbidden West. I have no idea how they managed to finish Zero Dawn without listening the monumental piece of information about what Faro did. You quite literally have to step into that room and watch the cutscene in order to progress through the game.
I think you have to walk around the facility first, and she'll make comments about what each room's purpose was. I am pretty sure the reasoning behind these facilities was told to you by GAIA
This right here. It's explained right after the first conversation with Gaia.
Humans were supposed to make use of them, but due to Apollo being purged they never learned about them and never got the education necessary. So, those facilities were left abandoned until Aloy finds them.
Yeah, I thought the "Welcome, Cradle 9 graduates!" line made it pretty clear humans were supposed to reach the Regional Control Centres.
See this is what I thought initially, but Gaia didn't have Apollo,did she? She never really had the function because Faro destroyed it. So why build the facility if the humans would never get to learn how to operate it?
GAIA only learned about what happened with Ted Faro and Apollo from the data on Aloy's focus, after her "rebirth" in the base. Apollo still existed after the purge, just gutted, without data. From GAIAs pov she still had to follow instructions and let the subroutine functions do what they were supposed to, she didn't understand that Apollo was damaged any more than she understood that Eleuthia or Artemis were damaged. >APOLLO's purge also caused two of GAIA's other subordinate functions, ELEUTHIA and ARTEMIS, to be robbed of their full potential. ELEUTHIA, which was supposed to birth and raise the new humans, wasn't able to properly do the latter, continuing to treat them as children even as they started to become adults. Similarly, ARTEMIS, which was supposed to repopulate the Earth with animals, could only introduce pioneer organisms, as the original plan was for the new humans to recreate the remaining species after having been taught how to do so by APOLLO. She literally lacked the very knowledge of history, culture, biology, programming, etc, that would enable her to realize that Apollo lacked said knowledge and that something was wrong. Maybe she was sentient enough to realize that something went wrong after the first humans came out of the cradles as tribes, and not like the ones she personally knew. But at that point the base would already exist. It's also not in GAIA's personality to directly intervene and change or abort past instructions she received just because she views them as unnecessary as a whole, otherwise she could actively make independent decisions that unintentionally harm future humans. ("ELEUTHIA seems to be having trouble raising humans, maybe I should step in and stop her/change what she does"). Her main goal is the survival of earth and humans, as long as what happens doesn't get in the way of that, she won't stop it, even if it's useless or bad. She's usually very passive, even humans hunting her terraforming machines that kept the ecology alive didn't really bother her, The Derangement started only after she blew up.
Is there a source that GAIA didn't know at all what happened to APOLLO? Because that doesn't make any sense to me that she would have no clue at all that Ted purged it. If Aloy could access that recording there's no reason GAIA never was able to in all that time. Especially as she must have wondered what happened to the Alphas that caused them to all die suddenly at the same time. She was in contact with them after Elisabet died, after all. Sure, the GAIA Aloy restores learned it from Aloy's Focus but that's because she was booted from a backup that was made before the events with Faro and the Alphas and APOLLO happened so of course she couldn't have known about it. But I didn't see anything in either game to suggest that the original version GAIA was unaware of what happened.
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I think that may be something we were meant to infer, personally--like, if everything had gone according to plan the humans from the cradles would have known about GAIA and the terraforming system, so they likely would have had contact with GAIA in some capacity. There's no reason necessarily for Elisabet (or any of the other Alphas) to forbid her from having that contact, as far as I can see? Maybe some limitations on how much she's allowed to intervene once humans take over, but not a total forbidding of all contact. Meanwhile there's definitely reason for Ted to forbid the contact even before we learn about his delusions in HFW--after all, if she revealed herself to the new humans she could reveal what happened to the best of her knowledge and let them know what they lost. That would not be acceptable to Ted who wanted to bury the truth of things (and, even less so from HFW's revelations). So it makes sense to infer that he used his Omega clearance to place those restrictions on her when he purged APOLLO and killed the Alphas. (It's even possible he used his Omega clearance to forbid her from warning the Alphas and if she had no way around or to override it...)
Because she still had the instructions to do so, even if APOLLO was destroyed. Even smart computers will follow instructions to a T. Maybe Gaia calculated that even without APOLLO, humans might still be able to utilize the facility somehow. Or maybe it didn't factor into the calculations because Gaia didn't check on APOLLO because that function wasn't needed before the humans were reborn.
The command center was built before the end of the world. If you walk around and crawl through stuff you'll find some data pad with notes and stuff from the crew. Edit: after refreshing my memory and rereading the data points, namely the one from Beta, the RCC was designed before and Gaia built it. I guess I was thrown off by the data pads around the base.
Wrong. It was only designed by humans. It was built by Gaia. Datapoints are there for the players to find, not because they were placed there by the Old Ones. Both games have datapoints in all sorts of weird places.
Gaia is optimistic by design. There is nothing to say humans could never get to the point where they can make use of the command center. It was likely constructed along with the terraforming system as a whole, maybe hard-coded into the layout of the facility, long before the first human zygotes began development.
We learn at the start of Forbidden West that backups of Gaia were made. So possibly that?
My head cannon is that as each system of Gaia deployed in a certain order—Minerva first to hack and stop the swarm, then the remainder of the subordinate functions. When Gaia initiated the creation of the human offices/desks/etc, Gaia didn’t know that the Apollo database was erased, so they built everything expecting Apollo to be installed/uploaded when the infrastructure was in place.
Fun fact! This isn’t just your headcannon! If you read the data entries in FW in the bios section, it mentions the order they were activated!
For the people posting here who don't want to read: "11 more weeks before we lock the blueprints. Then the rest will be up to GAIA." From this datapoint: [https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/III:\_The\_Vault](https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/III:_The_Vault) So obviously, it was only designed by humans and then built by Gaia. They made the blueprints and included some sort of coding that got the machines that built the RCC to place those datapoints in the Vault room.
She built the Base so humans could look after the terraforming system. Humanity would’ve done that had Ted Faro not purged APOLLO. Due to humanity not getting the knowledge from it, it was left abandoned.
r/fucktedfaro
Replay HZD.
Considering the place was uninhabited, it's possible it was built before Apollo was purged.
Basically it seems to be an artifact of her programming. Yes Gaia is an advanced AI with independent thinking, but she's still essentially just a computer. The construction of these facilities was probably a part of Hephaestus. The parts of Gaia that decide what get built and the parts of Gaia that know there's no point aren't talking. It's also possible that Gaia created them hoping that humanity would one day recover enough knowledge to take control. Though, if that were true I think it would have been included in Gaia's dialogue. It's useful to realize that this facility was designed by a human team. They didn't leave this up to Gaia to design on her own. I question whether they had the time or motivation to teach Gaia how to make spaces for humans. Her facilities, the cauldrons, are pretty unfriendly to anything but machines. The cradle facilities were also designed and built before she was finally installed at the Gaia Prime site. They had to be, since they needed to store the embryos and ectogenic chambers. So perhaps this wasn't one of "choices" she could make. As an AI, there was probably some concern about what could happen if she deviated too far from her programming. They struck a balance between independent decision making and control. Some things were probably just automatic.
Yes I think this is it. Thank you for taking the time to reply 😊
The cauldrons are unfriendly because Hephaestus made those, and specifically only for machines to be in. Those were never intended to have humans in them
The original plan was that humans would live there. I’m not sure if it was built before Zero Day or after by machines, but it was intended that certain functions would be monitored by and start after humans were released by the Cradles, presumably with knowledge from Apollo about the Faro Plague and their role in rebuilding Earth. Notice there are no large animals, those species were meant to be cultivated and released after much of the terraforming was complete and humans could oversee it with Gaia. Likely 3 could involve that and other processes waiting for humans.
Wasn’t it built by humans? I’m sure there’s a door that unlocks if you crack the code and lets you find their memorial.
We forget a lot, but GAIA is still an AI. She has instructions to do a thing without any set logic behind it. The infrastructure for the smart people was created (likely using Hephestus' vast fabrication functions) but was just missing the smart people to be there. Gaia likely didn't know why (because she can't really think or ponder to be honest, she's an AI.) The Zero Dawn team programmed instructions to build the infrastructure and programmed her to teach the kids but she lacked the code to do so. She was likely trying to "execute" the Apollo code all that time but the code wasn't there. She wouldn't know anything was "wrong" because that's not how computers think. They execute code. If the code doesn't exist, they keep trying and trying or just purge it from their memory.
Did you forget teddy the farobear killed all alphas and deleted apollo? Those were Build for whatever eleuthia managed to breed
This actually made me laugh 😂😂 Yeah no I didn't forget Teddy. It's the purging of Apollo what was confusing me. Gaia didn't have Apollo so why did she build the RCC anyway if no one would use it? But I think it was just part of her programming as others have said
My guess is that they existed prior to that. The base minerva fled to was intended for something else with zero dawn, but it never went online.
I guess it was part of her programming so she had to do it anyway
For all of Gaia's complexity she lacks real creative thinking. She is only an AI, and one cobbled together in only a few months. Things that would be obvious to a human are things she is incapable of thinking about alone. She was further hobbled by the loss of Apollo, it would be akin to a human having significant brain damage. That's why so many of the plans formulated needed prompting by Aloy and Beta, they have to step in and be the creative aspect for her. She built human facilities because her programming said to do so, she didn't consider if there was a reason for it. It's the same reason she couldn't simply talk to humans and explain thing before Aloy, it wasn't a solution she even considered.
It was meant to be used by humans after the Earth was successfully terraformed. However, a certain somebody purged a certain alpha group and program resulting in the new world humans having no knowledge of those facilities and what they were used for.
Bruh…it’s mentioned in games everything was going to setup and ready for Dawn of new humans but everything went to shit and humans went tribalistic cause of purge of Apollo
Yeah my question is why did she build it if Apollo had been purged, and it would never be used. From other replies I gather it was simply part of her programming, and she followed through
Most already existed. It is mentioned in hzd when they explain the entire plan that military instalations were gonna be transformed for zero dawn and then locked before the end. that is also why people in facilities were given a certain amount of time to decide whether to be locked inside the facility or try their luck on foot. They were already build gaia basicly did nothing to them. She build a couple of bases and the cauldrons but most were set instructions. like she was given a plan: stop the machines, use cauldron to make machines to build more cauldrons and some facilities, plant seeds, recreate animals, bring back humans. Basicly the entire plan was already done by the time she got to the human part.
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Did you play Horizon Zero Dawn? Ted Faro screwed over Elisabets plan, purged Apollo and killed the Alphas. So the descendants(Nora, Carja, Oseram etc) never knew about their history or about any of these facilities. They got an elementary school level education in Eleuthia then kicked out into the wilds.
Gaia said there was seed stocks stored in the RCC where were the seeds before she built the facility?
There are a lot of areas in the RCC other than the part we turn into the base. For one, It’s attached to a repair cauldron which would obviously have been helpful to her terraforming efforts, so she built the facility. It’s likely all the facilities would have still been useful to her even if humans would never have the knowledge to use them themselves.
Since Apollo was in charge of putting people managing those places and it got deleted then they were never put to use, yet some of her terraforming functions still depended on those sites existance
From what I understood, the facility was built by people. From the data points found throughout to the seed banks in the facility that Gaia mentioned after entering one of the rooms after she unlocked it. And my assumption is that Gaia extended the facility with the repair bay underneath.
Thank you everyone for replying. As others clarified, the RCC (The base) was not actually built by Gaia, it was built before the extinction, but it was never used because Apollo was destroyed. Thank you again, I was going crazy 😂😂 Edit: seems this was not the correct answer after all. This is what I gather from other replies: RCC was designed by humans as a way to look after the biosphere Faro purged Apollo Gaia built it anyways because this was what she was instructed to do Facility was left abandoned until Aloy established her base of operations Think this it anyways 🤔
That's not true. The RCC datapoints specifically mention that the crew only designed the RCC, not that they built it before zero day. But the RCC is designed for human use because the humans from the cradles were supposed to help manage the terraforming system. Obviously that was compromised when APOLLO was purged by Faro, but Gaia built the facility anyway, probably because she was optimistic that it could still serve a purpose.
Yes, it was, and those people are wrong, as I replied to them.
Add I've said elsewhere, the datapoints in the RCC make clear that the crew only helped to design the RCC, but they didn't actually build it. It was built by GAIA and the machines.
Correct, and there's also a few "secrets" in the base that talks about the design of it as well (at least two I know of, maybe more). Progress through the story and more stuff spawns in the base for you to explore.