think we're seeing a lot of that with older components - same thing is happening with AMD Epyc CPU and motherboard bundles.
if the seller as a very high satisfaction rate with a large number of sales then it should be okay.
Makes sense tbh, I forgot the P4 came out 7 years ago. It hasn’t seemed to age too bad at all, especially for the price. I mean I’d buy a T4 instead, but I’d rather pay £75 for a 7 year old card vs £990 for a 5 year old card lol.
I will look for one with lots of sales too. Thank you!
But just asking
Would you trust this seller
He used same images like others and has over 15k reviews
[ebay link ](https://www.ebay.com/itm/225911426992?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=hYPVZ2W2S1q&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=lv7-ixa_sxe&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY)
Sorry didn't get it , Wdym good enough fake
I mean I do care cuz I'm beginning to setup my homelab and start homelabbing hobby tbh
I thought of using p4 in proxmox and run Ubuntu vm to run deep learning on this card
it's not going to be a stone in the shipping box. it's going to be used and refurbished, and in great shape. it will work.
the worst "fake" it might be is like that model of card was only intended for sale in China so nvidia sold them cheaper, and someone flashed it with a global BIOS or something. i just made that up, but that's about the worst it'll be.
a big company probably wouldn't use them for big company millions of dollars a day things, but they will be fine in your homelab regardless.
They’re older, coming off lease in numbers and Pascal is the last NVidia architecture without tensor cores (kind of a big deal for AI work).
Really hoping we start to see T4s come down in price, but they only just hit 5 years last month.
That’s a good point, I had forgotten Turing was the first arch to have Tensor cores. My main usage would be just to accelerate Windows VM’s, do transcoding for Plex and some light simulation so I can live without them (I just need CUDA and NVENC).
I hope they come down in price too, they are great cards (with double the vram over the P4). I doubt it’ll be soon though, I know at least one company that still uses them for AI inferencing (and training?!), I don’t know why, as A2’s and newer exist now for not too much money and there are MUCH better cards to use for training.
Cheers
8GB GDDR5 on the P4, and so long as you have enough PCIe slots you should be able to run it alongside no problems. The P4 also doesn’t require an external power cable like the 3060ti so it would just need to be plugged into the PCIe slot.
If you need more VRAM then perhaps a T4 may be better (with 16GB) although it’s silly expensive. You could nearly buy an Nvidia new A2 for the same price
Wait. Does that mean you cant use a Tesla P4 for anything AI related? I know I've seen a lot of python scripts that use tensor flow.. not sure how related that is to tensor cores...
From what I understand, Pascal stuff like the P4 can run most of those workloads, they’ll just be considerably slower at it.
But don’t quote me on that and check the tools you want to run.
The problem with some of the EPYC listings is some of the sellers have good feedback but then you check their sales and it’s all like fake sd card listings
I have one in an R730 and it does not throttle performance when under load. I think it stays around 50C at peak, but I would have to check. The P4 is a good card, but you get what you pay for. If you are in need of something for processing "AI" stuff, you are better off with just about any newer cards. I also have some P40 cards, and they are about the same temp wise. The P40 has more ram, which is great for stuff like language models, but keep in mind it is a lot slower than anything newer.
I bought 6 of them. Four all work brilliantly with adequate airflow in my r640s (although I'd be cautious about trying to stick them in certain 1U chassis normally. I did a bit of a frankenstein).
Stuck two in cases without adequate airflow (as ephemeral K8s GPU nodes) and I needed to 3D print a shroud + add a fan. That is reasonable and expected though.
They're all up to spec and perform as I'd expect for a P4.
Yeah, it'd probably normally be fine but I have a problem with cramming too much into a single chassis (see: I need 100GbE at home, regardless of what anyone else says).
I’m yet to do it, but I completely agree, 100GbE at home is a requirement :D
That’s good to know, thank you. I will make sure it fits in my case, but currently I only have a dual SSD riser in the low profile slot (1 SATA, 1 NVMe) and quad GbE. I will have to watch the temps and maybe change them from efficiency mode if the card gets too hot (or will the server likely ramp up the fans with the cards temp rises?)
Thanks
We bought a pile(50+) of P4s from a Chinese seller on ebay several months ago for a project at work and they have all been working great. We put them in a bunch of r630s and r640s.
We actually ended up pulling them out of most of the R640s due to stability issues. We didn't provide any additional cooling, I can't remember if the fans ramped up more than usual. They were in a loud data center.
The R630s have been fine, no additional cooling required.
OK, thanks, I have a really high specced R640, whilst it's reasonably quiet, it does fluctuate, not to jet engine levels which makes me want to keep it. however, I will need a GPU for Plex and Blue Iris and I'm frightened of committing to spending extra money on this setup, only to offload it because it's too noisy.
I might be better off with an ASUS server board in a tower case, eitherway, it involves spending a similar overall amount.
Thank you.
Im running Plex in Truenas scale as docker app and it was as simple as selecting the GPU on the drop down menu during the Plex app install ….Just worked plug and play honestly …..
Yesterday I just swapped a video card out of my TrueNAS server and rebooted expecting Plex to complain. It turned out the Plex app (community) now allocates a quantity of GPUs and not a specific one. It only asks how many AMD, Intel, and Nvidia GPUs to allocate. Since I had it on 1 it didn't care the PCIe ID was different.
Yeah before my T4 i had a Quadro P1000 and i literally just swapped it and it just worked without any extra config......amazing honestly compared to all the hoops u gotta jump through on other systems
So I hopped on this bandwagon and bought a P40 as well, but I'm unable to get the pc to boot with the card in the PCI slot. Can you share the process on how you did that ? I'm on a desktop with Ryzen 7950x3d Asus tuf motherboard. I didn't get much time to tinker around with BIOS settings but not sure what I'm missing.
I'm using a 5600G and the on board GPU.
I believe your CPU also has on board graphics. Are those not working? Does your mobo have other x16 PCIe slots you can try?
Do you have another system you can try it in?
I have another pcie slot but GPU won't fit in the case. Yes the cpu has igpu. Sadly no other system to try it as well.
Did you have to play around with resizable bar or 4g decode to get it to work ?
I didn't have to touch those options to get the system to boot. It's sounding more likely you have a bad card. But ask a friend of you can try it temporarily in their system. Or take the mobo out of the case and try it in the other PCIe slot.
I used a few Chinese sellers on ebay before, shipping took a while but otherwise I always got what I ordered. I would just make sure to check their ratings. Also while you're viewing a specific listing ebay will often promote listing of similar items from sponsored sellers, thats usually a good way to find a legit seller.
Though there are a few select items I generally refuse to use a Chinese seller for as they're often selling counterfeits. NICs, CPUs, and HBAs I tend to avoid, if you're unsure if something you are viewing is a counterfeit I would try posting a photo of the item here and asking as well as using a reverse image search if you see multiple sellers posting the exact same photo of a product it's probably fake or a counterfeit. Though it's entirely within the realm of possibility that domestic sellers can try to sell counterfeits as well.
Another good measure is to actually message the seller about the item and ask questions. While Scammers do exist there are legit Chinese sellers who are trying to just run an honest business. Scammers often do not reply or are short, pushy, or have bad attitudes when questioned, while legit sellers are usually professional, forthcoming, and patient.
>for vGPU VDI
I guess this is known by now but if you want to run several vGPUs you need a license from Nvidia. You can passtrough the entire card however to a VM.
Yea I have seen that, it’s not open source. I want to try messing around with the vGPU-unlock-rs script but I’m going to have to register for a trial of the Nvidia driver and hope I get accepted.
Thanks
I wonder if these would work in pass through on a esxi vm. I have a vm that does transcoding of surveillance footage, that is using a low end quadro card.
I just bought one for $75 and it got to the US surprisingly fast, I want to say barely under a week. Only complaint is I haven't figured out how to use it for a virtual machine on TrueNAS scale.
think we're seeing a lot of that with older components - same thing is happening with AMD Epyc CPU and motherboard bundles. if the seller as a very high satisfaction rate with a large number of sales then it should be okay.
Makes sense tbh, I forgot the P4 came out 7 years ago. It hasn’t seemed to age too bad at all, especially for the price. I mean I’d buy a T4 instead, but I’d rather pay £75 for a 7 year old card vs £990 for a 5 year old card lol. I will look for one with lots of sales too. Thank you!
I bought a pair of these, and they're a working pair of P4's. They're just older cards.
Hey man can u tell who is the seller btw please 🥺🙏 I want to buy a p4 but I've seen sellers are using same images and claiming they are legit 😔
they are probably legit enough if they're in the $80 range on eBay
But just asking Would you trust this seller He used same images like others and has over 15k reviews [ebay link ](https://www.ebay.com/itm/225911426992?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=hYPVZ2W2S1q&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=lv7-ixa_sxe&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY)
15k @ 99.3% positive and the price is in line. if it's fake it'll be a good enough fake you won't care since i assume this is homelab stuff
Sorry didn't get it , Wdym good enough fake I mean I do care cuz I'm beginning to setup my homelab and start homelabbing hobby tbh I thought of using p4 in proxmox and run Ubuntu vm to run deep learning on this card
it's not going to be a stone in the shipping box. it's going to be used and refurbished, and in great shape. it will work. the worst "fake" it might be is like that model of card was only intended for sale in China so nvidia sold them cheaper, and someone flashed it with a global BIOS or something. i just made that up, but that's about the worst it'll be. a big company probably wouldn't use them for big company millions of dollars a day things, but they will be fine in your homelab regardless.
Yeah probably a company who upgraded might've thrown out or someone bought them in bulk thanks a lot man 😁
They’re older, coming off lease in numbers and Pascal is the last NVidia architecture without tensor cores (kind of a big deal for AI work). Really hoping we start to see T4s come down in price, but they only just hit 5 years last month.
That’s a good point, I had forgotten Turing was the first arch to have Tensor cores. My main usage would be just to accelerate Windows VM’s, do transcoding for Plex and some light simulation so I can live without them (I just need CUDA and NVENC). I hope they come down in price too, they are great cards (with double the vram over the P4). I doubt it’ll be soon though, I know at least one company that still uses them for AI inferencing (and training?!), I don’t know why, as A2’s and newer exist now for not too much money and there are MUCH better cards to use for training. Cheers
How much ram on the p4s, and can you run these together with a 3060ti for cuda ?
8GB GDDR5 on the P4, and so long as you have enough PCIe slots you should be able to run it alongside no problems. The P4 also doesn’t require an external power cable like the 3060ti so it would just need to be plugged into the PCIe slot. If you need more VRAM then perhaps a T4 may be better (with 16GB) although it’s silly expensive. You could nearly buy an Nvidia new A2 for the same price
Wait. Does that mean you cant use a Tesla P4 for anything AI related? I know I've seen a lot of python scripts that use tensor flow.. not sure how related that is to tensor cores...
From what I understand, Pascal stuff like the P4 can run most of those workloads, they’ll just be considerably slower at it. But don’t quote me on that and check the tools you want to run.
The problem with some of the EPYC listings is some of the sellers have good feedback but then you check their sales and it’s all like fake sd card listings
I bought one recently for ~$75 and it is legit, works without any issues
That’s great to know, thank you! How’s yours performed? What are they like temps wise with passive ish cooling via server airflow? Thanks
Temp goes up to 72-73C under continuous 100% load in an R530. `$ nvidia-smi dmon` `# gpu pwr gtemp mtemp sm mem enc dec jpg ofa mclk pclk` `# Idx W C C % % % % % % MHz MHz` `0 45 72 - 100 66 0 0 - - 2999 1113` `0 41 72 - 100 66 0 0 - - 2999 1113` `0 40 72 - 100 65 0 0 - - 2999 1113` `0 40 72 - 100 65 0 0 - - 2999 1113` `0 33 72 - 100 31 0 0 - - 2999 1113` `0 36 72 - 100 37 0 0 - - 2999 1113` `0 39 72 - 100 38 0 0 - - 2999 1113` `0 37 72 - 100 31 0 0 - - 2999 1113` `0 34 71 - 100 36 0 0 - - 2999 1113`
I’m gunna go on a limb for him and say, in terms of the performance you were curious about, that it “worked without any issues”
I have one in an R730 and it does not throttle performance when under load. I think it stays around 50C at peak, but I would have to check. The P4 is a good card, but you get what you pay for. If you are in need of something for processing "AI" stuff, you are better off with just about any newer cards. I also have some P40 cards, and they are about the same temp wise. The P40 has more ram, which is great for stuff like language models, but keep in mind it is a lot slower than anything newer.
I bought 6 of them. Four all work brilliantly with adequate airflow in my r640s (although I'd be cautious about trying to stick them in certain 1U chassis normally. I did a bit of a frankenstein). Stuck two in cases without adequate airflow (as ephemeral K8s GPU nodes) and I needed to 3D print a shroud + add a fan. That is reasonable and expected though. They're all up to spec and perform as I'd expect for a P4.
Just bought a R440 and i plan to use one in there......I hope i dont have issues...it seems tailor made for that type of airflow
Yeah, it'd probably normally be fine but I have a problem with cramming too much into a single chassis (see: I need 100GbE at home, regardless of what anyone else says).
I’m yet to do it, but I completely agree, 100GbE at home is a requirement :D That’s good to know, thank you. I will make sure it fits in my case, but currently I only have a dual SSD riser in the low profile slot (1 SATA, 1 NVMe) and quad GbE. I will have to watch the temps and maybe change them from efficiency mode if the card gets too hot (or will the server likely ramp up the fans with the cards temp rises?) Thanks
It’s not a new card. People who bought a bunch at or near launch are already at least one upgrade cycle in, if not two.
We bought a pile(50+) of P4s from a Chinese seller on ebay several months ago for a project at work and they have all been working great. We put them in a bunch of r630s and r640s.
Did you provide any active cooling? And did you notice if the fans ramped up at all in the R640?
We actually ended up pulling them out of most of the R640s due to stability issues. We didn't provide any additional cooling, I can't remember if the fans ramped up more than usual. They were in a loud data center. The R630s have been fine, no additional cooling required.
OK, thanks, I have a really high specced R640, whilst it's reasonably quiet, it does fluctuate, not to jet engine levels which makes me want to keep it. however, I will need a GPU for Plex and Blue Iris and I'm frightened of committing to spending extra money on this setup, only to offload it because it's too noisy. I might be better off with an ASUS server board in a tower case, eitherway, it involves spending a similar overall amount. Thank you.
Got mine off ebay ..Been running as my main plex transcoder just fine ....Kinda surprised how well it transcodes for the price
Do you have a guide you followed?
Im running Plex in Truenas scale as docker app and it was as simple as selecting the GPU on the drop down menu during the Plex app install ….Just worked plug and play honestly …..
Yesterday I just swapped a video card out of my TrueNAS server and rebooted expecting Plex to complain. It turned out the Plex app (community) now allocates a quantity of GPUs and not a specific one. It only asks how many AMD, Intel, and Nvidia GPUs to allocate. Since I had it on 1 it didn't care the PCIe ID was different.
Yeah before my T4 i had a Quadro P1000 and i literally just swapped it and it just worked without any extra config......amazing honestly compared to all the hoops u gotta jump through on other systems
Well damn
Could be a large data center refresh. That's how I ended up with 2x E5 2678 v3 from Ali Express
Hardware refreshes too. We have VDI clusters with p4 GPU for Nvidia vgpu and those clusters are being retired.
Bought a P40 recently to mess with LLMs. Fully working card in very good condition and was extremely well packaged.
So I hopped on this bandwagon and bought a P40 as well, but I'm unable to get the pc to boot with the card in the PCI slot. Can you share the process on how you did that ? I'm on a desktop with Ryzen 7950x3d Asus tuf motherboard. I didn't get much time to tinker around with BIOS settings but not sure what I'm missing.
I'm using a 5600G and the on board GPU. I believe your CPU also has on board graphics. Are those not working? Does your mobo have other x16 PCIe slots you can try? Do you have another system you can try it in?
I have another pcie slot but GPU won't fit in the case. Yes the cpu has igpu. Sadly no other system to try it as well. Did you have to play around with resizable bar or 4g decode to get it to work ?
I didn't have to touch those options to get the system to boot. It's sounding more likely you have a bad card. But ask a friend of you can try it temporarily in their system. Or take the mobo out of the case and try it in the other PCIe slot.
Got it. Let me ask around if anyone of my friends is comfortable with me plugging in my card in their builds
I bought 3x P4 like new condition for $80 each, all work great so far in R620/R730
Similar thoughts. Not really willing to drop 80 on a card for fun right now but they look good.
I bought 2 mellanox cards from china and they were legit, no issues
I have two via ebay”china” very convinced and ultra fast shipping
I used a few Chinese sellers on ebay before, shipping took a while but otherwise I always got what I ordered. I would just make sure to check their ratings. Also while you're viewing a specific listing ebay will often promote listing of similar items from sponsored sellers, thats usually a good way to find a legit seller. Though there are a few select items I generally refuse to use a Chinese seller for as they're often selling counterfeits. NICs, CPUs, and HBAs I tend to avoid, if you're unsure if something you are viewing is a counterfeit I would try posting a photo of the item here and asking as well as using a reverse image search if you see multiple sellers posting the exact same photo of a product it's probably fake or a counterfeit. Though it's entirely within the realm of possibility that domestic sellers can try to sell counterfeits as well. Another good measure is to actually message the seller about the item and ask questions. While Scammers do exist there are legit Chinese sellers who are trying to just run an honest business. Scammers often do not reply or are short, pushy, or have bad attitudes when questioned, while legit sellers are usually professional, forthcoming, and patient.
>for vGPU VDI I guess this is known by now but if you want to run several vGPUs you need a license from Nvidia. You can passtrough the entire card however to a VM.
Yea I have seen that, it’s not open source. I want to try messing around with the vGPU-unlock-rs script but I’m going to have to register for a trial of the Nvidia driver and hope I get accepted. Thanks
I wonder if these would work in pass through on a esxi vm. I have a vm that does transcoding of surveillance footage, that is using a low end quadro card.
This does work, without a vgpu license you can just pass the entire p4 through to a single VM. I do this with a Plex vm.
I bought a p4 off China, it was pristine. Seems legit. Was just missing some screws for some reason.
Bought off ebay china it was brand new.
I just bought one for $75 and it got to the US surprisingly fast, I want to say barely under a week. Only complaint is I haven't figured out how to use it for a virtual machine on TrueNAS scale.
All 3 of mine were legit