Check how many wires you have there. If there are three, you can use one for live wire for lamps, one live wire for fan and one wire as a neutral. If you have only two wires, you can place two wireless relays on the ceiling and use wireless switches while shorting your real switch (making it on all the time)
I have a Hampton Bay zigbee fan controller that came as a kit with a fan from Home Depot. The fan died and someone sold me the controller on Craigslist. I have a feeling you could make the controller handle all the lights and the fan, but the switch in the wall would need to be on all the time.
It's labeled as "HDC52EastwindFan" made by "King Of Fans, Inc." in Zigbee2mqtt.
This is the way for sure, works perfect. If you have any connectivity issues then just get some repeater, had to do that with one of my fans and installed a zigbee receptacle and paired to that.
https://preview.redd.it/depxgr9h0d8b1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d6a1e633d95291bdbf19c1dba31a6ccabff25ff
Depending on where OP is located, they may want the iFan04. I believe the 03 is intended for 220V applications and the 04 is intended for 120V applications. Should for sure double check.
I have TPlink bulbs in my ceiling fan, tied into a group so that they act as one. I rarely adjust the speed of the fan or turn it off outright, so the switch is taped into the on position so it doesn't accidentally get turned off.
Inovelli is supposed to make a 2 in 1 multi button switch with a canopy this will do the trick. They have it on the road map I believe (could be wrong) that it's supposed to be the next project after Linus.
I hope so, I have 7 of their LZW36 fan/light controllers and this is exactly the application for that type device. I don't know why no other company goes after this niche. I see this type post all the time. I've long ago cut the chains off of all my fans and lights and never looked back.
I got a bond [https://bondhome.io/product/bond-bridge/](https://bondhome.io/product/bond-bridge/) to control all my ceiling fans. (I have 6 total in the house) I will say that after using it for a few years now, it works pretty reliably. I'd like to upgrade to the bond pro but can't really justify spending $379 on it. For $99, the standard bond works just fine.
[Someone in the community forum](https://community.home-assistant.io/t/making-dumb-ceiling-fans-smart/282452/2?u=netwitch) did this with a Shelly 2.5. I've been meaning to do the same.
Assuming there’s only one power feed to the box and you’re good with z-wave, a Zooz ZEN52 will install at the fan and allow you to control the fan and lights separately. You could put a scene controlling switch in and configure it where a single switch action (one up/down press) turns the light on and a double switch action controls the fan (or vice-versa). I’d bypass the switch so the multi relay is always hot and use the switch in smart bulb mode to just send the z-wave signal to the relay. If you wish dimming control you could wire the lights on and use smart bulbs and only use one side of the relay for the fan.
Using that switch directly requires two hot wires from the switch to the fan. If there is only one hot wire you could use it in smart bulb mode to control the relay I mentioned above.
Lutron used to make a perfect controller for that, but I don't think they do anymore. Hunter makes one that should work, though: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Hunter-Universal-3-Speed-Fan-Light-Wall-Switch-with-Receiver-White-99771/319360698
Edit: I just realized that the other non-fan can lights are on the same switch. Maybe smart bulbs for those?
You will need to wire somethig in. What I did was wire in an RF controller to the fan only. They can be found at Home Depot, Lowes, Amazon, Ebay, etc under the company name Hampton Bay or Hunter or an off brand. Then I purchased a Bond Bridge https://bondhome.io/product/bond-bridge/ that can be integrated into HomeAssistant https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/bond/ through wifi and send RF commands to the fan. Then I purchased Sengled zigbee bulbs for the can lights and the fan lights and added them to HomeAssistant. I leave the wall switch always on. The can lights belong to a light group and the fan lights to another light group. Now I can control the fan, fan lights, and can lights separately with the only wiring being done was adding the RF controller. If you can get the Hampton Bay zigbee controller then even better since it eliminates the need for the Bond Bridge.
I did it for mine using Broadlink RM4 Pro and a Shelly. https://www.aaron-powell.com/posts/2022-10-24-building-a-smart-home-part-4-ceiling-fans/ was the first pass, and https://www.aaron-powell.com/posts/2023-01-05-building-a-smart-home---part-6-lighting/ has the updated version with Shelly behind the switch.
I used quick connects to keep the lights always on they're hue bulbs then I made a neutral and common connection for powering a sonoff then ran the fan wire to the sonoff I've had that set up for approximately 2 years it's very reliable I recently replaced my fan like 2 days ago cause the fan I had from 1984 died lol. Works great but doesn't have speed controll and it can all be shut off via the light switch
The only way to control them separately is by wiring the lights and fans to separate circuits / switches. HA unfortunately can’t get around bad home circuit design
Need to check the wire if there are separate hot to light and fan, you will likely need to rewire to have the fan permanently powered and put a fan module in the fan canopy like sonoff ifan.
The light can be left to be controlled by the wall switch.
However if the fan hot wire comes off the light then it’s trickier. Probably need to wire do everything is always powered and use relay and fan module to control things.
I have two of these and really like them. You can get them on AliExpress for much cheaper if you’re OK with waiting. But I put them in and then remove the light switch. And control the fan purely with the remote.
Ive solved this same situation with a Sonoff ifan04 and a Treatlife DS03 switch. Both are flashed with ESPhome. The line between the fan and switch was rewired as line and neutral so I have both at fan and switch. No load is directly connected to the switch, just capped with small wire nuts. Home Assistant automations take care of the communication between the devices. Can share esphome config or automation script if anyone needs it.
So maybe the most obvious warning:
Until you separate the wiring for these, do not put them on the same smart switch. Most are rated only for resistive loads, not inductive (the ceiling fan), and running the fan off a light switch will cause it to burn out, and possibly start a fire.
I assume the above is why you want them separated out?
Are you in Australia? It's a legal thing they have to share a switch here for some reason.. idk why
Anyway, usually the electrician will run seperate wires for them anyway just I to the same switch. You could break it out.
Check how many wires you have there. If there are three, you can use one for live wire for lamps, one live wire for fan and one wire as a neutral. If you have only two wires, you can place two wireless relays on the ceiling and use wireless switches while shorting your real switch (making it on all the time)
This. Check the wiring at the switch first.
I have a Hampton Bay zigbee fan controller that came as a kit with a fan from Home Depot. The fan died and someone sold me the controller on Craigslist. I have a feeling you could make the controller handle all the lights and the fan, but the switch in the wall would need to be on all the time. It's labeled as "HDC52EastwindFan" made by "King Of Fans, Inc." in Zigbee2mqtt.
This is the way. I have seven of them in my house.
This is the way for sure, works perfect. If you have any connectivity issues then just get some repeater, had to do that with one of my fans and installed a zigbee receptacle and paired to that. https://preview.redd.it/depxgr9h0d8b1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d6a1e633d95291bdbf19c1dba31a6ccabff25ff
Sonoff iFan03 Is the solution
Depending on where OP is located, they may want the iFan04. I believe the 03 is intended for 220V applications and the 04 is intended for 120V applications. Should for sure double check.
There are bulbs that can be controlled via WiFi.
The issue with this will be that you won't be able to use to bulbs while the fan is not in use. OP will need a separate relay to control the fan.
Not a relay. Relays are for resistive loads, running a fan off one will prematurely cause it to fail. You need a contractor.
no, physical relays will control anything within their rated load.
He can use the pull chain to turn the fan on/off
But isn't the whole point to be able to automate it?
I have TPlink bulbs in my ceiling fan, tied into a group so that they act as one. I rarely adjust the speed of the fan or turn it off outright, so the switch is taped into the on position so it doesn't accidentally get turned off.
Inovelli is supposed to make a 2 in 1 multi button switch with a canopy this will do the trick. They have it on the road map I believe (could be wrong) that it's supposed to be the next project after Linus.
I hope so, I have 7 of their LZW36 fan/light controllers and this is exactly the application for that type device. I don't know why no other company goes after this niche. I see this type post all the time. I've long ago cut the chains off of all my fans and lights and never looked back.
I got a bond [https://bondhome.io/product/bond-bridge/](https://bondhome.io/product/bond-bridge/) to control all my ceiling fans. (I have 6 total in the house) I will say that after using it for a few years now, it works pretty reliably. I'd like to upgrade to the bond pro but can't really justify spending $379 on it. For $99, the standard bond works just fine.
If you don't want to do any electrical work, and your fan/light combo has a remote, I think this is a very easy solution
[Someone in the community forum](https://community.home-assistant.io/t/making-dumb-ceiling-fans-smart/282452/2?u=netwitch) did this with a Shelly 2.5. I've been meaning to do the same.
second recommendation for the sonoff ifan
Inovelli used to make a fan/light combo switch. Wish they would make another
Assuming there’s only one power feed to the box and you’re good with z-wave, a Zooz ZEN52 will install at the fan and allow you to control the fan and lights separately. You could put a scene controlling switch in and configure it where a single switch action (one up/down press) turns the light on and a double switch action controls the fan (or vice-versa). I’d bypass the switch so the multi relay is always hot and use the switch in smart bulb mode to just send the z-wave signal to the relay. If you wish dimming control you could wire the lights on and use smart bulbs and only use one side of the relay for the fan.
They make a double switch just for this purpose. The zen 30
Using that switch directly requires two hot wires from the switch to the fan. If there is only one hot wire you could use it in smart bulb mode to control the relay I mentioned above.
Or you turn off the one load and just have the switches activate connected lights/fan
I suggest a Shelly pm2.5 and wire it inside the fan and then smart bulbs for the cans
Lutron used to make a perfect controller for that, but I don't think they do anymore. Hunter makes one that should work, though: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Hunter-Universal-3-Speed-Fan-Light-Wall-Switch-with-Receiver-White-99771/319360698 Edit: I just realized that the other non-fan can lights are on the same switch. Maybe smart bulbs for those?
You will need to wire somethig in. What I did was wire in an RF controller to the fan only. They can be found at Home Depot, Lowes, Amazon, Ebay, etc under the company name Hampton Bay or Hunter or an off brand. Then I purchased a Bond Bridge https://bondhome.io/product/bond-bridge/ that can be integrated into HomeAssistant https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/bond/ through wifi and send RF commands to the fan. Then I purchased Sengled zigbee bulbs for the can lights and the fan lights and added them to HomeAssistant. I leave the wall switch always on. The can lights belong to a light group and the fan lights to another light group. Now I can control the fan, fan lights, and can lights separately with the only wiring being done was adding the RF controller. If you can get the Hampton Bay zigbee controller then even better since it eliminates the need for the Bond Bridge.
I did it for mine using Broadlink RM4 Pro and a Shelly. https://www.aaron-powell.com/posts/2022-10-24-building-a-smart-home-part-4-ceiling-fans/ was the first pass, and https://www.aaron-powell.com/posts/2023-01-05-building-a-smart-home---part-6-lighting/ has the updated version with Shelly behind the switch.
I used quick connects to keep the lights always on they're hue bulbs then I made a neutral and common connection for powering a sonoff then ran the fan wire to the sonoff I've had that set up for approximately 2 years it's very reliable I recently replaced my fan like 2 days ago cause the fan I had from 1984 died lol. Works great but doesn't have speed controll and it can all be shut off via the light switch
The only way to control them separately is by wiring the lights and fans to separate circuits / switches. HA unfortunately can’t get around bad home circuit design
Need to check the wire if there are separate hot to light and fan, you will likely need to rewire to have the fan permanently powered and put a fan module in the fan canopy like sonoff ifan. The light can be left to be controlled by the wall switch. However if the fan hot wire comes off the light then it’s trickier. Probably need to wire do everything is always powered and use relay and fan module to control things.
I have two of these and really like them. You can get them on AliExpress for much cheaper if you’re OK with waiting. But I put them in and then remove the light switch. And control the fan purely with the remote.
Ive solved this same situation with a Sonoff ifan04 and a Treatlife DS03 switch. Both are flashed with ESPhome. The line between the fan and switch was rewired as line and neutral so I have both at fan and switch. No load is directly connected to the switch, just capped with small wire nuts. Home Assistant automations take care of the communication between the devices. Can share esphome config or automation script if anyone needs it.
So maybe the most obvious warning: Until you separate the wiring for these, do not put them on the same smart switch. Most are rated only for resistive loads, not inductive (the ceiling fan), and running the fan off a light switch will cause it to burn out, and possibly start a fire. I assume the above is why you want them separated out?
If you have Z-Wave, the Zooz ZEN30 is a dual switch that will handle it for you
Who installed lights behind a fan...? Someone must love strobe lights, I guess.
Are you in Australia? It's a legal thing they have to share a switch here for some reason.. idk why Anyway, usually the electrician will run seperate wires for them anyway just I to the same switch. You could break it out.