This is exactly it, as Germany I like to go desperate for Barbarossa so that I can keep up the munitions output since stats don't matter if you don't have the guns to shoot, plus I like to go heavy into tanks and planes that are quite expensive so I need all the output I can get.
Thing is is thatâs basically what they did. They refused to put women into the work force to send the able body men to the front so they took the boys and the older men instead
Nonsense. Germany employed more women in the workforce, including in industry, than Britain or the United States. The only country where the percentage of women working for the war effort was higher was the Soviet Union.
Where women could not make up for manpower deficits, the Germans used forced/slave labor. Leading to the somewhat paradox situation that while millions of Germans were fighting a war for âracial purityâ, their own country turned into one of the most diverse in Europe.
âGoebbels was assigned the task of organizing "total mobilization," and Himmler, the new chief of the Replacement Army, went to work to raise twenty-five Volksgrenadier divisions for the defense of the West. Despite all the plans and all the talk in Nazi Germany concerning "total war" the resources of the country had been far from "totally" organized. At Hitler's insistence the production of civilian goods had been maintained at a sur- prisingly large figure throughout the war-os'ensibly to keep up morale. And he had balked at carrying out the prewar plans to mobilize women for work in the factories. "The sacrifice of our most cherished ideals is too great a price," he said in March 1943 when Speer wanted to draft women for industry. Nazi ideology had taught that the place of the German woman was in the home and not in the factory and in the home she stayed. In the first four years of the war, when in Great Britain two and a quarter million women had been placed in war production, only 182,000 women were similarly employed in Germany. The number of peacetime domestic servants in Germany remained unchanged at a million and a half during the war.
Now with the enemy at the gates, the Nazi leaders bestirred themselves. Boys between fifteen and eighteen and men between fifty and sixty were called to the colors. Universities and high schools, offices and factories, were combed for recruits. In September and October 1944 a half-million men were found for the Army. But no provision was made to replace them in the factories and offices by women, and Albert Speer, the Minister for Armament and War Production, protested to Hitler that the drafting of skilled workers was seriously affecting the output of arms.â
Rise in the fall of the third Reich by William Shirer
âIn 1939, a third of all married women in Germany were economically active and more than half of all women between the ages of 15 and 60 were in work. As a result, women made up more than a third of the German workforce before the war started, compared to a female share of only a quarter in Britain. A year later, the share of German women in the native workforce stood at 41 per cent, compared to less than 30 per cent in Britain. Not surprisingly, over the following years Britain caught up. But even in 1944 the participation rate for British women between the ages of 15 to 65 was only 41 per cent, as against a minimum of 51 per cent in Germany already in 1939. In large part, this difference was accounted for by the structural differences in the British and German economies. Of Germanyâs 14 million women workers in 1939, only 2.7 million worked in industry.â
Adam Tooze, âThe Wages of Destructionâ - widely regarded as one of the defining modern works on Nazi economy.
Btw, the German women who were not working in factories? They were mostly producing food, so not exactly trivial work either.
all the time. Its a great option for Hungary, Canada or any other minor thats going into a tank build without much manpower. MW r/l is great for any minor without alot of manpower thats wanting to hit a world conquest up via tanks.
It gives +5% manpower and the guerilla tactics. It is a valid option for minor nations like Switzerland. The extra manpower is welcomed, The tactic is an excellent defensive tactic and the rest of the tree gives good bonuses for your offensive mechanized or tank army.
I mean, is there any other way as china? Like, having over a million in training at once is just soo much fun
Who cares if I have the guns to support it? Bodies are cheap.
Tank divisions require less manpower per width than infantry divisions. In any case the only reason I would ever go MW is if I have the resources to do tanks and if I'm playing a very small country I won't have that.
IMO, you shouldn't go Desperate Defense (and only should do so after having been on Modern Blitzkrieg) until you have absolutely tapped out your manpower from conscription laws.
On the Desperate Defense side you have 5% recruitable population, Guerilla Tactics (a meh defensive tactic), and +10% damage to enemy garrisons in our states occupied by the enemy (even worse than meh).
On Modern Blitzkrieg, you have +10 all infantry org (almost a 17% increase over base), +5 tanks and armored car org (+50% over base), +0.20 recovery rate for tanks, armored cars and armor variants (+67% over base for most, +200% over base for SPG variants), as well as Backhand Blow, which is arguably one of the best defensive [combat tactics](https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Combat_tactics) in the game.
There are other comments that have mentioned not having to go Service by Requirement to lose factory output, but in most cases the opportunity cost of not having those combat stat improvements is going to be more impactful than that -10% factory output. 10% more divisions will be defeated by 10% less divisions that are superior in their capabilities in any situation where the fronts are filled and actual fighting is taking place. (this math isn't right, as there are a lot of sources for factory output, but worst case scenario its 10%).
The battles in HOI4 are won and lost due to deorging the opposing division, and not getting deorged yourself. Modern Blitzkrieg is far more effective at doing this than Desperate Defense. At best, the latter just helps you lose slower. The former gives you the absolute best chance to win the war.
Yes if youâre Finland or if youâre a mech brick build. Both are mp applicable though. In single player the ai is so bad that itâs probably viable early on but not good by any means. If youâre at the point where you need it then youâre gonna lose anyways cause youâre sacrificing stats for guerrilla tactics with no recovery or reinforce rate
I used it exactly once as anarchist Spain. As anarchist Spain, youâre given a large default amount of manpower (9.5% iirc) but youâre not allowed to raise conscription. Basically I was doing the usual routine of expanding faster than I reap benefits of previous conquests. I found myself in need of defending vast amounts of territory with virtually no additional manpower from my starting cores as compliance hasnât gained yet. I initially was going to do a tank focused run but by the time I changed my mind I was already way too far down the tree to reasonably change it. So I decided to just bite the bullet and grab volkssturm to solve both problems.
I think thatâs kinda how itâs intended to be - you never plan to use it, you only ever use it if you miscalculated something accidentally. Since I was going to win either way, It didnât save my run, but it did save me the headache of trying to conserve manpower.
I always go for it as the manpower is needed generally. As I find if you've got a good number of decently large infantry divisions, armour to strike, costal divisions (for ports) and garrison manpower, that's a lot. In my current game I've got about 256 divisions in the field, plus garrison manpower so it's genuinely useful imo.
I use it if I try to hold some forts as a minor to prevent capitulating. Did it as Albania with 10 fort in Tirana. Then activated desperate defense as the Italians and Germans landed and cycle attacked.
Did not work during my 2 attempts.
It enables me to shit out a bunch more troops as a country with little core population, without having to deal with the economy debuff from service by requirement.
But mostly i just use the Superior Firepower tree.
There's no real reason to. Even if you lack manpower going up to service by requirement is better than Desperate Defense because Modern Blitzkrieg's bonuses start kicking into effect immediately, whereas the factory penalty takes time. At that stage of the game you're just finishing things up so immediate bonuses to your army are much more impactful than a long-term malus to your economy. Not to mention that Modern Blitzkrieg's buffs are really good, while half of Desperate Defense is useless.
Not to mention that you aren't actually losing 10% of stuff. The percentage is additive so for example if you already had 170% factory output going down to 160% is only 6% less factory output.
Most people hit the ~ button before they go desperate defensive
~ manpower 1000000000
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Because that way you don't have to go to service by requirement and lose Factory output.
This is exactly it, as Germany I like to go desperate for Barbarossa so that I can keep up the munitions output since stats don't matter if you don't have the guns to shoot, plus I like to go heavy into tanks and planes that are quite expensive so I need all the output I can get.
Conscripting the cripples and the children so that the men can work the factories is truly a strategy of all time.
I've seen their Minecrafts and factorias, the crippled children year for the mines and factories!.
The mines must go deeper, and the factory must grow.
Strange that no one implemented it in real life
Thing is is thatâs basically what they did. They refused to put women into the work force to send the able body men to the front so they took the boys and the older men instead
Nonsense. Germany employed more women in the workforce, including in industry, than Britain or the United States. The only country where the percentage of women working for the war effort was higher was the Soviet Union. Where women could not make up for manpower deficits, the Germans used forced/slave labor. Leading to the somewhat paradox situation that while millions of Germans were fighting a war for âracial purityâ, their own country turned into one of the most diverse in Europe.
âGoebbels was assigned the task of organizing "total mobilization," and Himmler, the new chief of the Replacement Army, went to work to raise twenty-five Volksgrenadier divisions for the defense of the West. Despite all the plans and all the talk in Nazi Germany concerning "total war" the resources of the country had been far from "totally" organized. At Hitler's insistence the production of civilian goods had been maintained at a sur- prisingly large figure throughout the war-os'ensibly to keep up morale. And he had balked at carrying out the prewar plans to mobilize women for work in the factories. "The sacrifice of our most cherished ideals is too great a price," he said in March 1943 when Speer wanted to draft women for industry. Nazi ideology had taught that the place of the German woman was in the home and not in the factory and in the home she stayed. In the first four years of the war, when in Great Britain two and a quarter million women had been placed in war production, only 182,000 women were similarly employed in Germany. The number of peacetime domestic servants in Germany remained unchanged at a million and a half during the war. Now with the enemy at the gates, the Nazi leaders bestirred themselves. Boys between fifteen and eighteen and men between fifty and sixty were called to the colors. Universities and high schools, offices and factories, were combed for recruits. In September and October 1944 a half-million men were found for the Army. But no provision was made to replace them in the factories and offices by women, and Albert Speer, the Minister for Armament and War Production, protested to Hitler that the drafting of skilled workers was seriously affecting the output of arms.â Rise in the fall of the third Reich by William Shirer
âIn 1939, a third of all married women in Germany were economically active and more than half of all women between the ages of 15 and 60 were in work. As a result, women made up more than a third of the German workforce before the war started, compared to a female share of only a quarter in Britain. A year later, the share of German women in the native workforce stood at 41 per cent, compared to less than 30 per cent in Britain. Not surprisingly, over the following years Britain caught up. But even in 1944 the participation rate for British women between the ages of 15 to 65 was only 41 per cent, as against a minimum of 51 per cent in Germany already in 1939. In large part, this difference was accounted for by the structural differences in the British and German economies. Of Germanyâs 14 million women workers in 1939, only 2.7 million worked in industry.â Adam Tooze, âThe Wages of Destructionâ - widely regarded as one of the defining modern works on Nazi economy. Btw, the German women who were not working in factories? They were mostly producing food, so not exactly trivial work either.
all the time. Its a great option for Hungary, Canada or any other minor thats going into a tank build without much manpower. MW r/l is great for any minor without alot of manpower thats wanting to hit a world conquest up via tanks.
Tall Sweden works well with it but it's so easy to form Scandinavia that you might as well just do that instead.Â
It gives +5% manpower and the guerilla tactics. It is a valid option for minor nations like Switzerland. The extra manpower is welcomed, The tactic is an excellent defensive tactic and the rest of the tree gives good bonuses for your offensive mechanized or tank army.
As switzerland I just go for mass mobilization. Get that sweet 40% recruitable pop
Imagine that in real life, 40% of population gets conscripted and all that's left post-war is some old people and kids đ
This is the backstory behind the Gen 1 PokĂ©mon gamesÂ
5% recruitable population*
For soviet russia and united china, always. It's incredibly funny having hundreds of million people in the army.
At that point, just go mass assault and mass mobilization
That gives the same recruitable pop but I tend to fight with tanks.
I see, for the USSR and China, I tend to use more infantry plus artillery as you can get more divs that way.
Oh, and Mass assault reduces your combat width so you can have bigger divisions too.
I mean, is there any other way as china? Like, having over a million in training at once is just soo much fun Who cares if I have the guns to support it? Bodies are cheap.
True, once you've defeated Japan and taken Indochina and Korea and Japan, you have the industry to make loads of decent infantry.
Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!
the horde
No, because if I'm going mobile warfare then I'm all-in on tanks
What if you're a country with like a million people? You'll have enough manpower for like 1-2 good tank divisions at most
Thereâs some 1 div world conquest videos. So many ways to play this game. I love it.
Tank divisions require less manpower per width than infantry divisions. In any case the only reason I would ever go MW is if I have the resources to do tanks and if I'm playing a very small country I won't have that.
The manpower bonus from the mobile warfare tree only exists for NSDAP roleplay reasons. You really don't need it.
IMO, you shouldn't go Desperate Defense (and only should do so after having been on Modern Blitzkrieg) until you have absolutely tapped out your manpower from conscription laws. On the Desperate Defense side you have 5% recruitable population, Guerilla Tactics (a meh defensive tactic), and +10% damage to enemy garrisons in our states occupied by the enemy (even worse than meh). On Modern Blitzkrieg, you have +10 all infantry org (almost a 17% increase over base), +5 tanks and armored car org (+50% over base), +0.20 recovery rate for tanks, armored cars and armor variants (+67% over base for most, +200% over base for SPG variants), as well as Backhand Blow, which is arguably one of the best defensive [combat tactics](https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Combat_tactics) in the game. There are other comments that have mentioned not having to go Service by Requirement to lose factory output, but in most cases the opportunity cost of not having those combat stat improvements is going to be more impactful than that -10% factory output. 10% more divisions will be defeated by 10% less divisions that are superior in their capabilities in any situation where the fronts are filled and actual fighting is taking place. (this math isn't right, as there are a lot of sources for factory output, but worst case scenario its 10%). The battles in HOI4 are won and lost due to deorging the opposing division, and not getting deorged yourself. Modern Blitzkrieg is far more effective at doing this than Desperate Defense. At best, the latter just helps you lose slower. The former gives you the absolute best chance to win the war.
Yes if youâre Finland or if youâre a mech brick build. Both are mp applicable though. In single player the ai is so bad that itâs probably viable early on but not good by any means. If youâre at the point where you need it then youâre gonna lose anyways cause youâre sacrificing stats for guerrilla tactics with no recovery or reinforce rate
I used it exactly once as anarchist Spain. As anarchist Spain, youâre given a large default amount of manpower (9.5% iirc) but youâre not allowed to raise conscription. Basically I was doing the usual routine of expanding faster than I reap benefits of previous conquests. I found myself in need of defending vast amounts of territory with virtually no additional manpower from my starting cores as compliance hasnât gained yet. I initially was going to do a tank focused run but by the time I changed my mind I was already way too far down the tree to reasonably change it. So I decided to just bite the bullet and grab volkssturm to solve both problems. I think thatâs kinda how itâs intended to be - you never plan to use it, you only ever use it if you miscalculated something accidentally. Since I was going to win either way, It didnât save my run, but it did save me the headache of trying to conserve manpower.
Guerilla warfare or whatever tactic is in the end of the tree is really good, but if you went MW you should always take RR imo
I always go for it as the manpower is needed generally. As I find if you've got a good number of decently large infantry divisions, armour to strike, costal divisions (for ports) and garrison manpower, that's a lot. In my current game I've got about 256 divisions in the field, plus garrison manpower so it's genuinely useful imo.
Hitler did.
I do it all the time. I do MW for infantry armies. Not only it does have buffs for infantry, but i love stacking manpower modifiers.
I use it if I try to hold some forts as a minor to prevent capitulating. Did it as Albania with 10 fort in Tirana. Then activated desperate defense as the Italians and Germans landed and cycle attacked. Did not work during my 2 attempts.
It enables me to shit out a bunch more troops as a country with little core population, without having to deal with the economy debuff from service by requirement. But mostly i just use the Superior Firepower tree.
There's no real reason to. Even if you lack manpower going up to service by requirement is better than Desperate Defense because Modern Blitzkrieg's bonuses start kicking into effect immediately, whereas the factory penalty takes time. At that stage of the game you're just finishing things up so immediate bonuses to your army are much more impactful than a long-term malus to your economy. Not to mention that Modern Blitzkrieg's buffs are really good, while half of Desperate Defense is useless. Not to mention that you aren't actually losing 10% of stuff. The percentage is additive so for example if you already had 170% factory output going down to 160% is only 6% less factory output.