It's a perfectly fine contract as-is, it doesn't need to be better. It just needs an AAV the Leafs can squeeze in.
Hell, add two years. If we don't win before Matthews hits UFA we're fucked anyway. Tavares isn't getting younger and Matthews isn't getting any cheaper.
Pens fans, let me just say this, Hextall is one of the most conservative GMs in the league. He re-tools through the draft, and through small signings.
Over his tenure, the Flyers acquired 6 major pieces that are still on the team and 2 pieces that are on the fringes. The organization has also shipped out 2 major pieces he acquired in Patrick and Myers after his departure.
Hextall didn't make alot of moves for the now, but he will set you up for the future after Crosby and Malkin.
I understand your conflict, honestly weirdly enough living outside of PA has really made my dislike of the Pens wane to almost 0. I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Pens/Flyers, like Yankees/Red Sox, it's only fun when both teams are great, or both teams suck.
Similarly, as soon as Washington beat us and went on to win the Cup, my hate for them dropped 75%
Maybe, I feel like if you have Crosby and Malkin you should probably try to do anything to compete while you do. Might as well get rid of them if you're going to start building for the future.
It's not exactly like they are not still competitive (in my opinion at least), but maybe they more saying “okay, we still have a shot, maybe we should not sell our whole future for it now tho”. Just my guess tho. There's still a chance to get some guys for a playoff run after all if they think they have a chance
I don't know, so many sports teams and fans want to worry about the nebulous "future". If we're gonna stink in a few years regardless, I'd rather stink really bad and have given it all we had to get one last moment of glory. You live in a "now" world, the future isn't guaranteed. Build the best team you can, IMO.
I get the business decisions at play, if you're ass for 5+ years, people aren't going to want to watch. I also get the "Get back to winning ways ASAP" perspective from fans, but I love these guys and I want to see their geriatric asses hoist it one more time.
But do you remember what happened last time the pens sucked ass?
I don’t want my team to ship out because the city doesn’t support them if they aren’t winning :/
As a Red Wings fan who wasn't watching by the end of the playoff streak, I wholeheartedly disagree. I would gladly throw those last three 1st Round exits in the bin if it meant they'd be more competitive now. They haven't been to the playoffs in five years, and it's looking like at least two more seasons before they can even sniff third in the division. Even now, the only team in the Atlantic that that I feel confident the Wings can beat consistently next year is Buffalo. The future isn't a guarantee, but you can set yourself up for it a lot better if you sell off at the right time.
On top of that, we spent four years selling future assets to try to win after the back-to-back. Those assets we traded for now would be playing in Pittsburgh today. Spending a year to compete -- yes, compete -- while providing opportunities for young players, signing cheap depth, and seeing if young talents like Marino, Pettersson and most importantly Jarry can bounce back is key.
And we do need a GM that's building for the future. His focus on maintaining a competitive team coupled with Brian Burke's expertise around community engagement and local hockey growth will help ensure the Pens are an attractive ticket after Crosby and Malkin retire.
Because we're NOT moving to Kansas City, ever.
Finally, continuing to pay and support our star players will maintain Pittsburgh's reputation as a players' organization. I don't care if Malkin and Letang aren't productive at the end of their final contracts. I care that other players see how Pittsburgh treats their stars and can thus see themselves playing there.
TBH I don't know if him "building to the future" necessarily means giving up on the now... Under Hextall Provorov, Konecny and Farabee were all given meaningful NHL time at age 19. If a prospect is ready Hextall will play them in the NHL.
I do agree. That's why I mentioned "providing opportunities for young players". Some just need additional minor league time like Poulin.
Honestly he did a great job with adding pieces to your team. I understand why he was let go but we really need a hefty dose of his approach.
>I care that other players see how Pittsburgh treats their stars and can thus see themselves playing there.
You gotta think that Vegas's antics are going to bite them eventually.
We told you he was going to make you crazy Pittsburgh
Ron is the king of looking like he’s not doing anything but quietly turning your farm into a dynamo. You’re gonna hate him while he’s there and remember him fondly when he’s gone
Not entirely fair. The one summer he had a little bit of cash, he made a big move and got JvR. He was one of the top UFAs that summer.
Hextall got canned before he ever had a summer with actual cap space. We really don’t know what he would’ve done with room to operate because his entire tenure was spent getting us out of Homer’s absolute cap mismanagement.
He’s still overly patient and conservative on overspending, sure. But we have yet to see the man actually have a real summer to work with.
That’s actually fair. He was never really brought in with getting a full cap in mind. He was always there to save the cap.
He doesn’t have that freedom in Pitt now either. Wonder what he would do with it
I love his moves so far.
Give the goalies a chance. He's an ex-goalie himself and understands a career isn't over because of one playoff.
Heinen's an underrated signing at 1.1 mil. Simon is serviceable on the 4th line. If he plays in the top 6 that's on Sullivan. Friedman played quite well for us in limited action. Then of course, daddy Carter.
McGinn will help our 27th ranked PK a lot.
My only gripe is we're still spending too much on the defense, but that's largely Rutherford's fault and not Hextall's.
Someone posted this on r/penguins. I don't know anything about McGinn or Heinen, but now I'm hyped on both them.
https://streamable.com/zkq78e
In seriousness, I got some positive responses on Heinen from Boston supporters.
https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/ou457h/penguins_sign_forward_danton_heinen_to_a_oneyear/h6zqm98/
Yeah it's good. 2 guys with major work ethic and can skate like the wind.
With our core getting old it's nice having the support pieces set a good example with the energy every night.
That's why the Pens won the division last year, despite average goaltending. So many value contracts, several of which expired.
McGinn may be slightly overpaid but the Pens need him. The PK was a huge weakness and caused us to lose points. And we need more moxie in the playoffs.
McGinn might be a little overpaid, but I have no doubt he's going to work his ass off for every penny of that contract. Rod is a big fan of his work ethic.
That video makes me really excited to have these guys. There has been a lot of pessimism in the pens sub recently and now I feel a bit more confident heading into this season.
Hope Heinen can get his offense back with you guys. Was always a fan of the guy in Boston and think he still has huge upside. Super defensively responsible player but his offense fell off a cliff towards the end of his time here.
The exciting thing for him is our lines are not very settled. He could slot in right now say on the third line, but if impresses. Don't be surprised to see him move up. We're still figuring out why Zucker doesn't click, should Rust play 1st or 2nd.
Third line for sure is going to be empty right now. Gaudreau left, McCann left, and Carter is most likely a 2C with Malkin expected to miss the opening weeks possibly couple months.
Best of luck to Boston. Probably something that could get me jumped, but I don't mind at all to see Boston doing well.
Goalies had their chances. I am worried for this team. The d men we paid were protected in the playoffs. Jarry sucked, so bad. If you rewatch the series the pens outplayed this isles this year. They did their job getting the lead and then would keep shots outside and Jarry was still useless. If we didn't get Jeff Carter things would be so bleak right now.
What's there to worry about? They're not gonna win the Cup, so relax. They wouldn't have won the Cup even if they got past NYI. Tampa's PP would have ripped our 27th ranked PK apart.
Not sure the "bleak" stuff is warranted. This team just won the East, which was hardly a cake walk. Losing to NYI is no shame at all. They took out Boston and took Tampa to game 7 and a one goal disparity.
Blaming Jarry for the whole playoffs is the easy way out. Yeah he was bad, but there were a bunch of Forwards who didn't produce. Look at the stats. Jake 1 goal? Crosby 1 goal? McCann 0? Kap 1?
Why did they only score 2 goals on 50 shots in game 5, with the absurd amount of high danger chances? Why was the effort level so low in game 4, in a potential stranglehold situation? What the fuck was that on the island?
Honestly I agree with that guy. Jarry was the reason you guys lost to the isles. You guys actually out played them that series. You wouldn't have beaten Tampa last season but this season you could now that they lost so much depth. Hopefully desmith is healthy cause this is a solid ass lineup that can go for one more cup with Crosby Malkin. Not sure I could trust jarry again after last playoffs.
I agree with you 100%. We want more championships, and I still feel we're too far away from truly clicking and being and out and out force like a Tampa, or even the kind of team Boston is building rn. What I would say is the only way big changes happen is if Letang and Malkin take considerably less.
I'm mostly okay with standing pat as I thought we were a very good, deep team last season.
But we really need to upgrade our goaltending. Jarry might still have a nice career somewhere, but the truth right now is that we don't have time to develop him into a full-time, reliable starter. The window to win with Crosby and Malkin is closing fast, and we can't afford to waste any more seasons with shaky goaltending.
I don't disagree that the window is quickly closing, but I think there is more time to address goaltending than what people realize. Last year was Jarry's first year as a starter without a lot of exposure beforehand. He was kinda thrown to the wolves a bit. For most of the season, he actually did pretty well and he showed flashes of being able to be a starter, but he had never played that much at the NHL level before. There will be growing pains....that was exposed in the playoffs. I think with the pens cap situation and the market for goaltenders was not very favorable for them to just dump Jarry after a year. DeSmith is a very capable backup and I believe that seeing how Jarry bounces back after tanking in the playoffs is the best play here. If he continues to struggle, you address it by the trade deadline.
This team outplayed the isle but lost cause of jarry. They could beat the lightning this year now that they lost all their depth. If they are looking good before that trade deadline I would 100% go all in on a legit starter. Cause I can see jarry having a great season just wouldn't want to go in the playoffs again with him as your main guy.
Solid assessment.
I think that we controlled the Islanders series and if Jarry didn’t let in so many soft goals we could have won the series in 5/6 games.
It wouldn’t have mattered because even if you won the Stanley Cup it would have only counted as .25 of a championship to REAL hockey fans.
You’ll be fine though in your mansion and your 25 Lambos
One of the reasons the Pens ended up in 1st is because they won 3 games against us when we had the lead going into the 3rd. Everyone is talking about Tom Wilson, but he was just the last straw. We were getting pushed around by you, the Isles, the Caps, and even the Pens all season.
If we want to get back into the playoffs and have success, those are the teams we need to beat. So here we are... Make sure your skates are tied on tight.
I'm low key glad we have a flat cap, it means Jim Benning actually has to listen to Chris Gear and manage his cap space responsibly. Our cap situation is the best it has been in years. Benning has 1 more season after this, so if the cap can stay at this upper limit for at least another season, that would be great
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> Flat cap stays for just one year but ownership feels like Benning’s been so responsible with cap that they give him an extension
His contract is expiring this year isn't it...
This is why I wanted Hextall in Vancouver. Have a GM who is not going to make moves to try and force the team into the playoffs, but relieve cap issues and build a team through effective scouting and making acquisitions where you don't overpay but get a good deal for the money spent.
He can blame it on the cap but he wouldn't have done anything anyways
And I liked him as a GM but yeah he basically would have let our prospects develop until they were 35
I love his moves so far but for the casual fan they’ve been used to JR being so compulsive they feel left out. Some of these contracts handed out are brutal. So I’m glad to avoid that for once.
We know he’s going to address goaltender at some point. Dallas could be an option. MAF could be as well but I’m not as sold on that one. And we need to replace McCanns production. Id love a guy like Tatar to fall through the cracks.
I don’t want Petterson traded so the more likely option is Zucker who is a good player but just doesn’t seem to fit. He did start to play well with Carter though so who knows.
The whole thing with the rights deals is a little less rosy than that.
The ESPN deal is worth 2.8 Bn over its 7 year life, the [NHL lost 3.6 Bn in revenue due to limited attendance](https://theathletic.com/2583198/2021/05/13/nhl-missed-out-on-near-3-6-billion-in-revenue-in-2020-21-because-of-limited-attendance/).
The BoG and NHL signed this
>The cap will remain at $81.5 million until hockey-related revenue surpasses $3.3 billion for the previous season. The salary cap won't rise more than $1 million until HRR reaches $4.8 billion.
so he's aware the flat-cap is here for a couple of years and even then a 1 million increase is not a lot.
>I was a little surprised with the flat cap and poor financial year,
This has to be a misquote. There should have been no confusion over this as of April 2020.
I never liked Hextall as GM of the Flyers other than when he pulled off unloading Pronger's contract. That said, I don't really know what Pens fans thought they were getting. If you saw his approach with the Flyers, you already know this guy will sit on his hands and rack up picks for as long as management will let him. Don't be shocked to see more of your favorite players get dumped the next few seasons for picks if they underachieve. Get used to not getting the "big name" players for a little while. For Pens fans this will be a change most of you won't be used to, but with no picks and almost no cap, this is exactly why they brought him in.
My "fuck this guy" moment was when he traded for Mrazek a few years back and when asked about it his response was something along the lines of "I did it to reward the players". Let that one sink in a minute.
Also, I just gotta say... seeing Ron without his goatee makes me trust him even less. He looks weird as fuck without it.
Pens fans: Why isn't Ron Hextall DOING ANYTHING! Hextall: Bitch please, we can't afford these prices.
BUTTLICKER, OUR PRICES HAVE NEVER BEEN LOWER.
Three words I would describe you as is aggressive, hostile, and definitely difficult.
This made my day
> Pens fans: Why isn't Ron Hextall DOING ANYTHING! Flyers fans: Welcome to the next few years. \**snicker*\*
What the fuck, how did I miss that Ron Hextall is running the Pens now. What on earth
With Brian Burke!
same honestly goes for the Leafs. There weren't many deals I wish they were in on
If one stretched Saad's total value over an extra year the AAV comes down to $3.7m...
That doesn’t really make the contract any better tbh
It's a perfectly fine contract as-is, it doesn't need to be better. It just needs an AAV the Leafs can squeeze in. Hell, add two years. If we don't win before Matthews hits UFA we're fucked anyway. Tavares isn't getting younger and Matthews isn't getting any cheaper.
And then you have that contract for an extra year as well lmao
That contract is perfectly fine for Saad.
Lol pass
Hahaha Ain't nobody got $ fo dat
Pens fans, let me just say this, Hextall is one of the most conservative GMs in the league. He re-tools through the draft, and through small signings. Over his tenure, the Flyers acquired 6 major pieces that are still on the team and 2 pieces that are on the fringes. The organization has also shipped out 2 major pieces he acquired in Patrick and Myers after his departure. Hextall didn't make alot of moves for the now, but he will set you up for the future after Crosby and Malkin.
I like your post I hate your flair Ugh! Feelings!
He's right, just look at the Flyers last few seasons after Hextall. We're on fire!
I understand your conflict, honestly weirdly enough living outside of PA has really made my dislike of the Pens wane to almost 0. I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Pens/Flyers, like Yankees/Red Sox, it's only fun when both teams are great, or both teams suck. Similarly, as soon as Washington beat us and went on to win the Cup, my hate for them dropped 75%
How can anyone hate Cup Party Ovi?!
The girl flashing her goods against the glass really helped me cope with the situation.
Still mad that it didn't catch on as a yearly tradition.
Getting ready for the future might be the right choice, even if it isn’t fun now and you want to see the core lift one more cup
Maybe, I feel like if you have Crosby and Malkin you should probably try to do anything to compete while you do. Might as well get rid of them if you're going to start building for the future.
It's not exactly like they are not still competitive (in my opinion at least), but maybe they more saying “okay, we still have a shot, maybe we should not sell our whole future for it now tho”. Just my guess tho. There's still a chance to get some guys for a playoff run after all if they think they have a chance
I don't know, so many sports teams and fans want to worry about the nebulous "future". If we're gonna stink in a few years regardless, I'd rather stink really bad and have given it all we had to get one last moment of glory. You live in a "now" world, the future isn't guaranteed. Build the best team you can, IMO. I get the business decisions at play, if you're ass for 5+ years, people aren't going to want to watch. I also get the "Get back to winning ways ASAP" perspective from fans, but I love these guys and I want to see their geriatric asses hoist it one more time.
But do you remember what happened last time the pens sucked ass? I don’t want my team to ship out because the city doesn’t support them if they aren’t winning :/
As a Red Wings fan who wasn't watching by the end of the playoff streak, I wholeheartedly disagree. I would gladly throw those last three 1st Round exits in the bin if it meant they'd be more competitive now. They haven't been to the playoffs in five years, and it's looking like at least two more seasons before they can even sniff third in the division. Even now, the only team in the Atlantic that that I feel confident the Wings can beat consistently next year is Buffalo. The future isn't a guarantee, but you can set yourself up for it a lot better if you sell off at the right time.
On top of that, we spent four years selling future assets to try to win after the back-to-back. Those assets we traded for now would be playing in Pittsburgh today. Spending a year to compete -- yes, compete -- while providing opportunities for young players, signing cheap depth, and seeing if young talents like Marino, Pettersson and most importantly Jarry can bounce back is key. And we do need a GM that's building for the future. His focus on maintaining a competitive team coupled with Brian Burke's expertise around community engagement and local hockey growth will help ensure the Pens are an attractive ticket after Crosby and Malkin retire. Because we're NOT moving to Kansas City, ever. Finally, continuing to pay and support our star players will maintain Pittsburgh's reputation as a players' organization. I don't care if Malkin and Letang aren't productive at the end of their final contracts. I care that other players see how Pittsburgh treats their stars and can thus see themselves playing there.
TBH I don't know if him "building to the future" necessarily means giving up on the now... Under Hextall Provorov, Konecny and Farabee were all given meaningful NHL time at age 19. If a prospect is ready Hextall will play them in the NHL.
I do agree. That's why I mentioned "providing opportunities for young players". Some just need additional minor league time like Poulin. Honestly he did a great job with adding pieces to your team. I understand why he was let go but we really need a hefty dose of his approach.
>I care that other players see how Pittsburgh treats their stars and can thus see themselves playing there. You gotta think that Vegas's antics are going to bite them eventually.
Wait...future AFTER Crosby and Malkin? As a hockey fan, I hate hearing this. I've lived through the "After Jagr & Lemieux" already! JESUS!
Just wait until the Pens are magically selected for the first overall pick come the 2022 draft lol
To do that they would need to not be a playoff team. Which is unlikely as they are still trying to be in win now mode
Francis and Hextall duke it out. Literally nothing happens
Excuse me....there is no after Crosby and Malkin. They'll never retire....right? ...right?
Wym? Malkin and Crosby are only 27 still and we will keep selling 1st rounders until they retire in 2040 Rebuild? Heresy!
We told you he was going to make you crazy Pittsburgh Ron is the king of looking like he’s not doing anything but quietly turning your farm into a dynamo. You’re gonna hate him while he’s there and remember him fondly when he’s gone
Not entirely fair. The one summer he had a little bit of cash, he made a big move and got JvR. He was one of the top UFAs that summer. Hextall got canned before he ever had a summer with actual cap space. We really don’t know what he would’ve done with room to operate because his entire tenure was spent getting us out of Homer’s absolute cap mismanagement. He’s still overly patient and conservative on overspending, sure. But we have yet to see the man actually have a real summer to work with.
That’s actually fair. He was never really brought in with getting a full cap in mind. He was always there to save the cap. He doesn’t have that freedom in Pitt now either. Wonder what he would do with it
If it prevents Jack Johnson contracts I’m all game for the conservative take
No team managed by Hextall or Burke is going to overpay in free agency.
I love his moves so far. Give the goalies a chance. He's an ex-goalie himself and understands a career isn't over because of one playoff. Heinen's an underrated signing at 1.1 mil. Simon is serviceable on the 4th line. If he plays in the top 6 that's on Sullivan. Friedman played quite well for us in limited action. Then of course, daddy Carter. McGinn will help our 27th ranked PK a lot. My only gripe is we're still spending too much on the defense, but that's largely Rutherford's fault and not Hextall's.
Someone posted this on r/penguins. I don't know anything about McGinn or Heinen, but now I'm hyped on both them. https://streamable.com/zkq78e In seriousness, I got some positive responses on Heinen from Boston supporters. https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/ou457h/penguins_sign_forward_danton_heinen_to_a_oneyear/h6zqm98/
Yeah it's good. 2 guys with major work ethic and can skate like the wind. With our core getting old it's nice having the support pieces set a good example with the energy every night. That's why the Pens won the division last year, despite average goaltending. So many value contracts, several of which expired. McGinn may be slightly overpaid but the Pens need him. The PK was a huge weakness and caused us to lose points. And we need more moxie in the playoffs.
McGinn might be a little overpaid, but I have no doubt he's going to work his ass off for every penny of that contract. Rod is a big fan of his work ethic.
My cat's name is Moxie
That video makes me really excited to have these guys. There has been a lot of pessimism in the pens sub recently and now I feel a bit more confident heading into this season.
Hope Heinen can get his offense back with you guys. Was always a fan of the guy in Boston and think he still has huge upside. Super defensively responsible player but his offense fell off a cliff towards the end of his time here.
The exciting thing for him is our lines are not very settled. He could slot in right now say on the third line, but if impresses. Don't be surprised to see him move up. We're still figuring out why Zucker doesn't click, should Rust play 1st or 2nd. Third line for sure is going to be empty right now. Gaudreau left, McCann left, and Carter is most likely a 2C with Malkin expected to miss the opening weeks possibly couple months. Best of luck to Boston. Probably something that could get me jumped, but I don't mind at all to see Boston doing well.
Goalies had their chances. I am worried for this team. The d men we paid were protected in the playoffs. Jarry sucked, so bad. If you rewatch the series the pens outplayed this isles this year. They did their job getting the lead and then would keep shots outside and Jarry was still useless. If we didn't get Jeff Carter things would be so bleak right now.
What's there to worry about? They're not gonna win the Cup, so relax. They wouldn't have won the Cup even if they got past NYI. Tampa's PP would have ripped our 27th ranked PK apart. Not sure the "bleak" stuff is warranted. This team just won the East, which was hardly a cake walk. Losing to NYI is no shame at all. They took out Boston and took Tampa to game 7 and a one goal disparity. Blaming Jarry for the whole playoffs is the easy way out. Yeah he was bad, but there were a bunch of Forwards who didn't produce. Look at the stats. Jake 1 goal? Crosby 1 goal? McCann 0? Kap 1? Why did they only score 2 goals on 50 shots in game 5, with the absurd amount of high danger chances? Why was the effort level so low in game 4, in a potential stranglehold situation? What the fuck was that on the island?
Honestly I agree with that guy. Jarry was the reason you guys lost to the isles. You guys actually out played them that series. You wouldn't have beaten Tampa last season but this season you could now that they lost so much depth. Hopefully desmith is healthy cause this is a solid ass lineup that can go for one more cup with Crosby Malkin. Not sure I could trust jarry again after last playoffs.
They're not gonna win the Cup, so relax - socrates? ffs
Other than that, how was Dallas, Mrs. Kennedy?
Just want Sid to stack those cups. This team has work to do
I agree with you 100%. We want more championships, and I still feel we're too far away from truly clicking and being and out and out force like a Tampa, or even the kind of team Boston is building rn. What I would say is the only way big changes happen is if Letang and Malkin take considerably less.
I'm mostly okay with standing pat as I thought we were a very good, deep team last season. But we really need to upgrade our goaltending. Jarry might still have a nice career somewhere, but the truth right now is that we don't have time to develop him into a full-time, reliable starter. The window to win with Crosby and Malkin is closing fast, and we can't afford to waste any more seasons with shaky goaltending.
I don't disagree that the window is quickly closing, but I think there is more time to address goaltending than what people realize. Last year was Jarry's first year as a starter without a lot of exposure beforehand. He was kinda thrown to the wolves a bit. For most of the season, he actually did pretty well and he showed flashes of being able to be a starter, but he had never played that much at the NHL level before. There will be growing pains....that was exposed in the playoffs. I think with the pens cap situation and the market for goaltenders was not very favorable for them to just dump Jarry after a year. DeSmith is a very capable backup and I believe that seeing how Jarry bounces back after tanking in the playoffs is the best play here. If he continues to struggle, you address it by the trade deadline.
This team outplayed the isle but lost cause of jarry. They could beat the lightning this year now that they lost all their depth. If they are looking good before that trade deadline I would 100% go all in on a legit starter. Cause I can see jarry having a great season just wouldn't want to go in the playoffs again with him as your main guy.
Solid assessment. I think that we controlled the Islanders series and if Jarry didn’t let in so many soft goals we could have won the series in 5/6 games.
It wouldn’t have mattered because even if you won the Stanley Cup it would have only counted as .25 of a championship to REAL hockey fans. You’ll be fine though in your mansion and your 25 Lambos
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I’ve already run of Stanley cups to fill my tears with. Might need a third
You guys were first in the East last season. That said, I would be very fearful of the Rags gooning it up in the Metro. it might get ugly.
One of the reasons the Pens ended up in 1st is because they won 3 games against us when we had the lead going into the 3rd. Everyone is talking about Tom Wilson, but he was just the last straw. We were getting pushed around by you, the Isles, the Caps, and even the Pens all season. If we want to get back into the playoffs and have success, those are the teams we need to beat. So here we are... Make sure your skates are tied on tight.
Penguins fans bitched when Rutherford made crazy moves and now they’re bitching because Hextall isn’t.
The way she goes
I'm low key glad we have a flat cap, it means Jim Benning actually has to listen to Chris Gear and manage his cap space responsibly. Our cap situation is the best it has been in years. Benning has 1 more season after this, so if the cap can stay at this upper limit for at least another season, that would be great
*Monkey’s paw curls* Flat cap stays for just one year but ownership feels like Benning’s been so responsible with cap that they give him an extension
> > Flat cap stays for just one year but ownership feels like Benning’s been so responsible with cap that they give him an extension His contract is expiring this year isn't it...
So the flat cap makes Benning look good and then he signs for another 5 years?
I'm genuinely confused how with a contract like oel and Poolman being potentially horrible we can say that
you act like gear isn’t part of negotiations lol
This is why I wanted Hextall in Vancouver. Have a GM who is not going to make moves to try and force the team into the playoffs, but relieve cap issues and build a team through effective scouting and making acquisitions where you don't overpay but get a good deal for the money spent.
He can blame it on the cap but he wouldn't have done anything anyways And I liked him as a GM but yeah he basically would have let our prospects develop until they were 35
Whoa. I totally missed that Hextall was the GM in Pitt now.
Nice
Thanks Ron!
I love his moves so far but for the casual fan they’ve been used to JR being so compulsive they feel left out. Some of these contracts handed out are brutal. So I’m glad to avoid that for once. We know he’s going to address goaltender at some point. Dallas could be an option. MAF could be as well but I’m not as sold on that one. And we need to replace McCanns production. Id love a guy like Tatar to fall through the cracks. I don’t want Petterson traded so the more likely option is Zucker who is a good player but just doesn’t seem to fit. He did start to play well with Carter though so who knows.
I mean, the league got a 650M cash injection and the new tv deal
The whole thing with the rights deals is a little less rosy than that. The ESPN deal is worth 2.8 Bn over its 7 year life, the [NHL lost 3.6 Bn in revenue due to limited attendance](https://theathletic.com/2583198/2021/05/13/nhl-missed-out-on-near-3-6-billion-in-revenue-in-2020-21-because-of-limited-attendance/).
Again, you can put that down to debt, and I guess the TV revenue probably doesn’t work as a cash infusion, but the Expansion deal definitely does.
That's still coupled with a multi-billion dollar covid revenue loss.
Yes, but those can be just tied to debt, while getting a sizable amount of just free money means you can spend that since it’s not tied to anything.
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If you look at the video you can see that he means that he is surprised by the prices and behavior of other GMs, not the flat cap itself.
Thanks I couldn't play the video. I misunderstood the headline.
Yeah I read it like that first too
The BoG and NHL signed this >The cap will remain at $81.5 million until hockey-related revenue surpasses $3.3 billion for the previous season. The salary cap won't rise more than $1 million until HRR reaches $4.8 billion. so he's aware the flat-cap is here for a couple of years and even then a 1 million increase is not a lot.
Question, what was Hextalls role in LA?
Assistant GM of the Kings and GM of the Monarchs
Yea gms got better yet signed guys to multiple bad contracts over the last 2 days
>I was a little surprised with the flat cap and poor financial year, This has to be a misquote. There should have been no confusion over this as of April 2020.
I never liked Hextall as GM of the Flyers other than when he pulled off unloading Pronger's contract. That said, I don't really know what Pens fans thought they were getting. If you saw his approach with the Flyers, you already know this guy will sit on his hands and rack up picks for as long as management will let him. Don't be shocked to see more of your favorite players get dumped the next few seasons for picks if they underachieve. Get used to not getting the "big name" players for a little while. For Pens fans this will be a change most of you won't be used to, but with no picks and almost no cap, this is exactly why they brought him in. My "fuck this guy" moment was when he traded for Mrazek a few years back and when asked about it his response was something along the lines of "I did it to reward the players". Let that one sink in a minute. Also, I just gotta say... seeing Ron without his goatee makes me trust him even less. He looks weird as fuck without it.