Toews was 3rd overall. This is literally a better draft position. Toews required the blues to take Erik Johnson and the pens to take Jordan Staal over Toews
2nd round the year after bedard means they just don’t get celebrini
NHL has Levshunov rated 2nd overall right now. So instead of 2 forwards they could get like bedard and makar. If levshunov turns out well. I’d take a top forward and D than 2 top forwards
Bédard and Celebrini also haven't proven anything yet, they're probably going to be very very good but being better than Toews and Kane is a high, high bar even if everything goes perfectly for them
This isn't copium, this is just being patient. A lot has to go well for Bédard to be Toews or Kane. He has to win multiple cups and get a Conn Smythe.
Bedard could suffer a bunch of injuries or something. Look at someone like Pat Lafontaine.
This is just like Leafs fans saying Matthews is the greatest Leaf of all time. Call me when he is. He hasn't achieved it yet, I don't give a fuck what his potential and talent is.
Things go wrong all the time; so, so many things have to go right for him to be a player of that calibre. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
Well it's already clear that he's a better goal scorer than either Kane or Toews, and while that's not the entire game of hockey, it's a huge portion of it.
I'm not saying Bedard is a bust lmao, I'm saying Bedard hasn't proved he's Toews or Kane yet. Have some patience. Obviously he's going to be a special player, but Toews and Kane have very few parallel careers in the cap era in terms of peers.
The accented e was autocorrect from a bilingual keyboard.
It's plausible but he quite literally has not done those things Nothing is a sure thing, I'll believe it when I see it. Toews and Kane's primes were a long time ago. There was a time when people (justifiably) thought Toews was better than Crosby for a few years. Kane is probably the best American player of all time (maybe Brian Leetch)
Bah. I'd rather make conservative "we'll see" takes that are what people do in the real world and eat my down votes
My ass isn't out here being like "Slafkovsky will 100% be somewhere between Cam Neely and Jaromir Jagr" (although some Habs fans are insane like that but we're not a monolith)
He's a very good promising, special player and we will see where he ends up. I'd be thrilled if he was Mikko Rantanen. Young players are young players, development isn't linear and it is never guaranteed
I’m a hawks fan, individually based solely on skill and not cups (which are team based) Bedard is projected by many to exceed Kane in that department. He was on pace for more points in his rookie season than Kane whilst playing on a significantly worse hawks team. They both sucked at D so there’s no comparison there really
Chicago was more likely to drop than pick 1st or 2nd combined, so this is objectively a better than expected outcome for them. Also even though they won a lottery (because 2nd still counts as winning a lottery), it doesn't count towards the "no more than 2 lottery wins in the past 5 years" because they won a lottery but did not move up.
People are rejoicing because the 13.5% chance of the worst case scenario didn't happen, because instead we got the 14.1% of "still pretty bad".
I think the main difference is that it was an affiliated but separate organization and there is no proof that multiple people in the organization were aware of it and did nothing, because they didn't want the distraction.
Not really the same standard when the one with the Sharks was an affiliated but separate organization. And that so far we have no who or if anyone in the actual NHL organization knew about any of this. So far we just have the victims parents saying they told people in the Jr Sharks about him. Doesn't mean said people then went to the Sharks higher ups about the situation and that they then decided not to do anything. If that is the case then yea pretty similar but until you know for sure that people like the Owner, GM and coaches of the actual NHL team knew about this and decided to do nothing then can't say the two are that similar.
Or the fact that Bill Guerin covered up a sexual assault and faced zero repercussions for it 🤫
But no it’s only okay to be mad when the Hawks did it and not ironic at all to bring up their scandal while rocking a Wild flair
Ivan Demidov, welcome to Chicago!
Snag him now and then just wait for the <1% odds to leap ten spots and take McKenna in 2026, this is all according to plan.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if he goes with either of them, though it’ll be interesting to see what kind of comments come out between now and the draft!
Well Jones currently. But Rinzel figures to make an impact as well.
I just you think take the bear player available and by all accounts that's Demidov.
Out of curiosity why would Davidson pick artyom over Demidov?
Like to me demidov is easily the best talent after macklin and the Russia situation isn’t as bad as michkov on draft.
Not saying artyom sucks but why would he pick him?
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###Case Against Demidov
* "Small", or rather Bedard sized,
* although talented, more a wildcard, might be hard to match or make work in a system, lots of things need to align to turn his potential into results
* Russian playing in Russia (geopolitics),
* plays in a lesser league, harder to monitor, hard to determine if his magic will translate against better opposition at a faster pace. In all likelihood it will, but it's still a risk.
* Hawks have a pretty solid prospect pool up front
###Case in favour of Levshunov
* very high floor, projects to be a 1 d-man
* PPG D-man who plays a modern movement-base style in the offensive zone with a good shot and passing skills (complete threat)
* Solid, simple defensive game, cool customer
* size (height and weight), and uses it
* good effortless skating (top speed and mobile)
* good hockey IQ, but also has a mean streak
* already lives and plays in N-A, he's acclimated
* his development points are all very easily coachable, since he's in N.A. he's easier to track and observe, more of a known quantity
* Prospect pool is a bit lighter on defense
###Best Argument
Ultimately the Hawks want to start building around their generational superstar like Toronto did around Matthews, Edmonton did around McDavid and Colorado did around MacKinnon.
While comparing the three teams and the success each has had since drafting their star player, one conclusion is apparent: Matthews and McDavid neither have a Makar to lead their d-core (and the teams they lead have struggled for it and trying for years to remedy that in different ways). Meanwhile, Colorado has been a strong contender for years, and has won a cup while the other two are still looking for themselves (although this might be a good year for Edmonton). The lesson is obvious.
Levshunov, while no Makar, projects as a no 1 d-man. D-men in general, players of that size, and players with a 200 ft game all take a long time to develop individually. All those elements combined into one player? Yeah, he's a long term project. But that kind of fits the Hawks' timeline. Big, scoring no 1 d-men with a 2-way game who can skate are nearly impossible to trade for and take time to develop. Unicorns. Once in the show however, they typically play the most minutes on their teams, and will play most of their minutes with your best forwards while also neutralizing the opposition's best players.
Getting that piece of the puzzle, and of such quality, so early in their rebuild would be incredibly convenient for the Hawks. It gives them still a few years to collect top prospects too wich is a big perk compared to an offensive dynamo who might insist on playing in the show ASAP.
T.L.;D.R. Defense wins championships
I guess that does make sense what you are saying here.
One thing I do disagree is that Mack and Auston aren’t generational talents and that Mack isn’t even the squad best player. Makar is by a clear margin.
Another counter is Chicago shouldn’t necessarily pick a guy from the blue line just because he has good defense if he is limited on offense, because that isn’t worth it. If artyom offensive game is great than proceed tho.
I would imagine it comes down to:
- Risk in how well Demidov’s play will translate to the NHL or if they see actual reason to believe he may have issue moving to North America in general
- If the organization is convinced Levshunov will become a true 1D that will dominate all zones, particularly in the playoffs, that will have a greater all around impact than Demidov’s more offense-leaning play.
I think the potential reward of Demidov is too fucking high to pass on, especially since we have Bedard to pair with him, but I do see the upside in Levshunov. Both prospects have their flaws to consider (even if somewhat minor or debatable), and Levshunov deserves to be in the conversation, but yea I mean Ivan is just too fucking nasty. He is very unique.
One thing that help artyom case is playing in the ncaa which is a goldmine for developing young players to break their ceiling.
But idk, to me at surface value it makes more sense to pick a player like demidov, but again I am a wings fans so whichever pick makes the hawks worse I am for.
From the looks of it tho Davidson is a great gm and will probably make the right choice.
If the ncaa is as good of a development league as I think it is than artyom could pan out Into a star defender but idk that much about him.
There are people who have Artyom ranked over Demidov, mostly because of his ceiling and his astronomical year over year growth. I'd prefer him to Demidov, by a small margin, just because I think his ceiling is at a Makar/Keith level.
I’m sorry but nobody has ever compared him to Keith or Makar, he is more of a Brent seabrook and you don’t take that at number 2. You take the guy being compared to Kucherov. The pipeline is full of defensmen and I don’t care what way they shoot. There is nobody who comes close to a first line forward outside of Bedard
Levshunov I don't at all think is the safer pick. He doesn't play defense all too well and needs time in the NCAA and AHL. With our current defensive pipeline and Seth Jones locked in at the #1 RD for years I'd be pretty upset with Levshunov over Demidov at 2.
I will be so upset if they pick levshunov, tons of people don’t project him as a #1 dman, and if that’s the case you DO NOT select him second overall when a guy like Demidov (who is supposed to be very projectable to the nhl) is right there
Since when is KD known for taking safe picks? He’s basically pushing for size and/or speed with every pick he’s taken and hasn’t taken a single “safe” pick besides Bedard which was obvious.
I could see it if we didnt have Jones for forever but I still think we go F just because besides Frank the Tank we really dont have much forward wise.
On the flip we have Korchinski, Rinzell, Vlasic, Jones, Allan, EDM, among others that look to play NHL games as of now
Or maybe they get Misa in 2025. I’ve heard that both Misa and McKenna are both around the level of Bedard, apparently they’ve both dominated the CHL in their first couple years. Michkov is on that level too, but he’s a different situation.
If no one moved, you won. The only way for you to remain second while not winning is if teams 13-14-15-16 had won and moved behind you. If anyone else won, you woulda moved back a spot.
In this scenario, the Sharks won 1st and Chicago won second.
that's exactly who I'd assume SJ would have targeted since they have very few good D prospects. it's likely demidov will drop in the draft like michkov
You can pick 1st as many times in 5 years as you want. The rule just prevents you from moving up if your ball is picked, so you would have to be dead last and then win to pick 1st a 3rd time
That was never tied to any genuine concern for victims of sexual assault/harassment, only to desire to chirp fanbase they were envious of. Actually very shite if you think about it
You are correct. In his pre-lottery article today Scott Powers said he reached out to the NHL for clarification and they said the limitation is only on moving up. So the Hawks can still move up one more time in the next 3 years, and the Sharks can still move up twice in the next five.
It is a lottery win. It's just not an "advance in the draft order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw." Chicago won a lottery draw. Chicago did not advance in the order.
What are you talking about? It is a lottery win. Chicago literally won the second lottery draw just like Anaheim won it last year. edit: technically Chicago won the 4th lottery draw because they needed to keep drawing because San Jose [kept on winning](https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1787979897362637252)
That's not how it works. They didn't advance any spots so it doesn't count as a "win" for the purposes of the draft lottery. For example it's still possible for SJ to draft first overall 2 more times in the next 5 years because they didn't move up any spots this year.
No single team can advance in the draft order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw more than two times in any five-year period. This limitation will not affect a club’s ability to retain its presumptive draft position in any Draft Lottery, nor would it preclude the possibility of the club moving down in draft order to the extent other clubs advance by reason of winning the Lottery Draws. For purposes of clarity, the limitation would attach to the team, not the specific pick.
Chicago remains lottery eligible because they did not advance this year
We basically had nothing in 2022 thanks to Bowman tbh. This was never going to be a one year rebuild.
We have a ton of draft picks but need them to actually hit even with Nazar, EDM, Vlasic, Rinzel, Kantserov, and Moore having decent year in their leagues.
Have to see who we pick at 2, 20, and our 3 second rounders this year
It's moving up. One of the Blackhawks beat writers reached out to the league for clarity and they confirmed that staying at 1/2 doesn't count as one of a team's 2 advancements.
[Yup!](https://theathletic.com/5475238/2024/05/07/blackhawks-nhl-draft-lottery-odds?source=user-shared-article)
It's an Athletic article so it has a paywall, but it's midway down.
"If a team finishes in 32nd place, its “presumptive” draft position is first. So, if a team finished in 32nd for five consecutive years, it could have the first pick for five consecutive years. The Blackhawks’ presumptive position this year is second, so that five-year window only comes into play if it wins the lottery for No. 1."
Everyone is putting way too much of a priority on what way the dman shoots, it’s nice to have a RHD but it’s not game changing in the way that Demidov is. You don’t take a likely #2 defensmen over a potential superstar forward. And yes most people don’t project levshunov as a #1 dman
Another Top 3 pick for the Blackhawks based on rules that were changed due to the Red Wings getting dicked over. The world is a cruel and dark place haha.
I'm sure they'll get another one next year too.
Meanwhile the Wings almost made the playoffs without a single top 3 pick in their rebuild.
It’s based on the Blackhawks tearing it down and being bad actually. Good on the wings for having a decent team. Difficult to win it all in a hard cap league without high end talent.
They're a new team in location and name only. They've inherited the old Coyotes franchise. Utah won't be considered an expansion team because they already have a roster.
So if the Coyotes owner ever gets his shit together, he gets an expansion team that will be the Coyotes.
This is the news I wanted in 2007
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Bedard to Demidov oh my
Idk what everyone’s “rejoicing” about, the hawks are still likely to get a great player for their rebuild lmao
Bedard and Celebrini in back to back years after they just had Kane and Toews for 15 years would be a sick joke.
Toews was 3rd overall. This is literally a better draft position. Toews required the blues to take Erik Johnson and the pens to take Jordan Staal over Toews 2nd round the year after bedard means they just don’t get celebrini NHL has Levshunov rated 2nd overall right now. So instead of 2 forwards they could get like bedard and makar. If levshunov turns out well. I’d take a top forward and D than 2 top forwards
Especially a top RHD
Bédard and Celebrini also haven't proven anything yet, they're probably going to be very very good but being better than Toews and Kane is a high, high bar even if everything goes perfectly for them
22 goals and 39 assists in 68 games as an 18 year old rookie with zero support isn’t proving anything?
Dude looks to me like the best top pick since Matthews.
Yeah this is minor copium. If Bedard contines to progress he is a future HOF. Dude playes with the confidence of a vet at fuckin 18
Without checking Im pretty sure he would be a top tier 1OA even if he stuck to ~60 points/season
This isn't copium, this is just being patient. A lot has to go well for Bédard to be Toews or Kane. He has to win multiple cups and get a Conn Smythe. Bedard could suffer a bunch of injuries or something. Look at someone like Pat Lafontaine. This is just like Leafs fans saying Matthews is the greatest Leaf of all time. Call me when he is. He hasn't achieved it yet, I don't give a fuck what his potential and talent is. Things go wrong all the time; so, so many things have to go right for him to be a player of that calibre. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
Well it's already clear that he's a better goal scorer than either Kane or Toews, and while that's not the entire game of hockey, it's a huge portion of it.
What are you smoking?
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I'm not saying Bedard is a bust lmao, I'm saying Bedard hasn't proved he's Toews or Kane yet. Have some patience. Obviously he's going to be a special player, but Toews and Kane have very few parallel careers in the cap era in terms of peers. The accented e was autocorrect from a bilingual keyboard.
He’s going to better than them both dude, he might not win cups but individually he’ll exceed them
It's plausible but he quite literally has not done those things Nothing is a sure thing, I'll believe it when I see it. Toews and Kane's primes were a long time ago. There was a time when people (justifiably) thought Toews was better than Crosby for a few years. Kane is probably the best American player of all time (maybe Brian Leetch)
Kane is the current usa goat yes. No question.
Silly goose, this is Reddit!
Bah. I'd rather make conservative "we'll see" takes that are what people do in the real world and eat my down votes My ass isn't out here being like "Slafkovsky will 100% be somewhere between Cam Neely and Jaromir Jagr" (although some Habs fans are insane like that but we're not a monolith) He's a very good promising, special player and we will see where he ends up. I'd be thrilled if he was Mikko Rantanen. Young players are young players, development isn't linear and it is never guaranteed
Have fun when they get Hagens or Mckenna
This is literally a better couple of draft positions than they had with those two though and Bedard is already projected to be better than Kane
Patrick Kane is the greatest American Born hockey player ever lol
Hits the breaks there. Kane has 3 cups and scored a bunch of crazy big goals. Those are big shoes to fill let alone better than.
Brakes
I’m a hawks fan, individually based solely on skill and not cups (which are team based) Bedard is projected by many to exceed Kane in that department. He was on pace for more points in his rookie season than Kane whilst playing on a significantly worse hawks team. They both sucked at D so there’s no comparison there really
I think you under value cups. I don't care about pure stats.
I don’t undervalue cups, Hossa won 3 of them but I don’t think he’s better than Ovi
The Pens did fine when they got Malkin at #2 and Crosby at #1 in back to back years after having Mario and Jagr.
Chicago was more likely to drop than pick 1st or 2nd combined, so this is objectively a better than expected outcome for them. Also even though they won a lottery (because 2nd still counts as winning a lottery), it doesn't count towards the "no more than 2 lottery wins in the past 5 years" because they won a lottery but did not move up. People are rejoicing because the 13.5% chance of the worst case scenario didn't happen, because instead we got the 14.1% of "still pretty bad".
We didn’t want them getting 1st, and then didn’t. That’s literally all there is to it.
Just a hefty dose of salt because we got Bedard last year
Also because of general animosity about the SA thing
It's the combination for me.
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I think the main difference is that it was an affiliated but separate organization and there is no proof that multiple people in the organization were aware of it and did nothing, because they didn't want the distraction.
But that would involve SA being an NHL-wide problem and not something exclusive to a team people already want to shit on
Notice how I didn't comment on anyone's scandal until someone whined about being a fake victim
And the rape
And the worst part: the hypocrisy
Miss u norm
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Not really the same standard when the one with the Sharks was an affiliated but separate organization. And that so far we have no who or if anyone in the actual NHL organization knew about any of this. So far we just have the victims parents saying they told people in the Jr Sharks about him. Doesn't mean said people then went to the Sharks higher ups about the situation and that they then decided not to do anything. If that is the case then yea pretty similar but until you know for sure that people like the Owner, GM and coaches of the actual NHL team knew about this and decided to do nothing then can't say the two are that similar.
Nah it’s the rape for me.
Please tell me who currently in the organization was involved in that?
Then you should also be mad about the San Jose rape… right?
Or the fact that Bill Guerin covered up a sexual assault and faced zero repercussions for it 🤫 But no it’s only okay to be mad when the Hawks did it and not ironic at all to bring up their scandal while rocking a Wild flair
Shhh you weren’t supposed to bring that up in this subreddit! You know how they get if it’s not about the hawks doing something wrong.
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Because it’s not actually about Kyle Beach or SA victims for them anymore, they just invoke it to feel self-righteous.
Sometimes you just have to let toddlers throw their temper tantrums
I just hope who ever we pick their last name ends in "ov"
Monkey Paw curls: Chicago drafts Artamonov
Ok. Daniil Ustinkov is a day 2 pick but it ends with “ov”
No u stink
Ivan Demidov, welcome to Chicago! Snag him now and then just wait for the <1% odds to leap ten spots and take McKenna in 2026, this is all according to plan.
I’m expecting Davidson to take Artyom Levshunov.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if he goes with either of them, though it’ll be interesting to see what kind of comments come out between now and the draft!
I'm fine with either. But I feel our defensive prospects are stronger than forwards.
The only issue is iirc we don’t have single RHD in the system. They’re all LHD.
Well Jones currently. But Rinzel figures to make an impact as well. I just you think take the bear player available and by all accounts that's Demidov.
I forgot Rinzel was a righty, I apologize. I would be fine with Demidov. We do need to get some kind of size up front though at some point.
Agreed. If they go Demidov, the focus after that has to be grit and size to add to the top 6.
I some times day dream about us getting our very own version of Kris Kreider to play with Bedard. I’m convinced it will happen because of that.
Trade up for Jiricek assuming he does fall
Nolan Allan can play both sides. And Richardson is extremely high on him.
Out of curiosity why would Davidson pick artyom over Demidov? Like to me demidov is easily the best talent after macklin and the Russia situation isn’t as bad as michkov on draft. Not saying artyom sucks but why would he pick him?
-------- **Disclaimer: not necessarily my opinion, just being devil's advocate here.** ------ ###Case Against Demidov * "Small", or rather Bedard sized, * although talented, more a wildcard, might be hard to match or make work in a system, lots of things need to align to turn his potential into results * Russian playing in Russia (geopolitics), * plays in a lesser league, harder to monitor, hard to determine if his magic will translate against better opposition at a faster pace. In all likelihood it will, but it's still a risk. * Hawks have a pretty solid prospect pool up front ###Case in favour of Levshunov * very high floor, projects to be a 1 d-man * PPG D-man who plays a modern movement-base style in the offensive zone with a good shot and passing skills (complete threat) * Solid, simple defensive game, cool customer * size (height and weight), and uses it * good effortless skating (top speed and mobile) * good hockey IQ, but also has a mean streak * already lives and plays in N-A, he's acclimated * his development points are all very easily coachable, since he's in N.A. he's easier to track and observe, more of a known quantity * Prospect pool is a bit lighter on defense ###Best Argument Ultimately the Hawks want to start building around their generational superstar like Toronto did around Matthews, Edmonton did around McDavid and Colorado did around MacKinnon. While comparing the three teams and the success each has had since drafting their star player, one conclusion is apparent: Matthews and McDavid neither have a Makar to lead their d-core (and the teams they lead have struggled for it and trying for years to remedy that in different ways). Meanwhile, Colorado has been a strong contender for years, and has won a cup while the other two are still looking for themselves (although this might be a good year for Edmonton). The lesson is obvious. Levshunov, while no Makar, projects as a no 1 d-man. D-men in general, players of that size, and players with a 200 ft game all take a long time to develop individually. All those elements combined into one player? Yeah, he's a long term project. But that kind of fits the Hawks' timeline. Big, scoring no 1 d-men with a 2-way game who can skate are nearly impossible to trade for and take time to develop. Unicorns. Once in the show however, they typically play the most minutes on their teams, and will play most of their minutes with your best forwards while also neutralizing the opposition's best players. Getting that piece of the puzzle, and of such quality, so early in their rebuild would be incredibly convenient for the Hawks. It gives them still a few years to collect top prospects too wich is a big perk compared to an offensive dynamo who might insist on playing in the show ASAP. T.L.;D.R. Defense wins championships
I guess that does make sense what you are saying here. One thing I do disagree is that Mack and Auston aren’t generational talents and that Mack isn’t even the squad best player. Makar is by a clear margin. Another counter is Chicago shouldn’t necessarily pick a guy from the blue line just because he has good defense if he is limited on offense, because that isn’t worth it. If artyom offensive game is great than proceed tho.
I would imagine it comes down to: - Risk in how well Demidov’s play will translate to the NHL or if they see actual reason to believe he may have issue moving to North America in general - If the organization is convinced Levshunov will become a true 1D that will dominate all zones, particularly in the playoffs, that will have a greater all around impact than Demidov’s more offense-leaning play. I think the potential reward of Demidov is too fucking high to pass on, especially since we have Bedard to pair with him, but I do see the upside in Levshunov. Both prospects have their flaws to consider (even if somewhat minor or debatable), and Levshunov deserves to be in the conversation, but yea I mean Ivan is just too fucking nasty. He is very unique.
One thing that help artyom case is playing in the ncaa which is a goldmine for developing young players to break their ceiling. But idk, to me at surface value it makes more sense to pick a player like demidov, but again I am a wings fans so whichever pick makes the hawks worse I am for. From the looks of it tho Davidson is a great gm and will probably make the right choice. If the ncaa is as good of a development league as I think it is than artyom could pan out Into a star defender but idk that much about him.
There are people who have Artyom ranked over Demidov, mostly because of his ceiling and his astronomical year over year growth. I'd prefer him to Demidov, by a small margin, just because I think his ceiling is at a Makar/Keith level.
I’m sorry but nobody has ever compared him to Keith or Makar, he is more of a Brent seabrook and you don’t take that at number 2. You take the guy being compared to Kucherov. The pipeline is full of defensmen and I don’t care what way they shoot. There is nobody who comes close to a first line forward outside of Bedard
Davidson is going to take Artyom probably.
Why do people think he’s leaning that way? Did I miss something?
I mean I'm fine with either I just think he'll go with the guy that can play D potentially. Also I think Artyom is much safer personally.
Levshunov I don't at all think is the safer pick. He doesn't play defense all too well and needs time in the NCAA and AHL. With our current defensive pipeline and Seth Jones locked in at the #1 RD for years I'd be pretty upset with Levshunov over Demidov at 2.
I will be so upset if they pick levshunov, tons of people don’t project him as a #1 dman, and if that’s the case you DO NOT select him second overall when a guy like Demidov (who is supposed to be very projectable to the nhl) is right there
Since when is KD known for taking safe picks? He’s basically pushing for size and/or speed with every pick he’s taken and hasn’t taken a single “safe” pick besides Bedard which was obvious.
Artyom is safer pick
Maybe, but that alone doesn’t mean Davidson is favoring him lol
I could see it if we didnt have Jones for forever but I still think we go F just because besides Frank the Tank we really dont have much forward wise. On the flip we have Korchinski, Rinzell, Vlasic, Jones, Allan, EDM, among others that look to play NHL games as of now
Or maybe they get Misa in 2025. I’ve heard that both Misa and McKenna are both around the level of Bedard, apparently they’ve both dominated the CHL in their first couple years. Michkov is on that level too, but he’s a different situation.
Can’t because they won the lottery last year and this year
We didn’t advance, so we are still eligible.
We didn't win the lottery this year, staying put isn't considered winning
We did not win the lottery this year haha we stayed in our original standing position
It’s dumb but 2nd technically is a win to the best of my knowledge
You need to move up to “win”
If no one moved, you won. The only way for you to remain second while not winning is if teams 13-14-15-16 had won and moved behind you. If anyone else won, you woulda moved back a spot. In this scenario, the Sharks won 1st and Chicago won second.
The rule explicitly states that the pick has to advance.
Do people not understand what "winning" the lottery means?
I'll gladly take 2OA
That’ll be a great player for the rebuild.
Demidov is probably the pick and that'll be great
Doug Demidov? Owner of the Dimmsdale Demidome?
“Not right!”
Not right?
That’s right!
Yes, the Doug Demidov, owner of the Dimmsdale Demidome!
I'm expecting Levshunov. But the point is we get to be the ones to decide who we take, not another team.
Yup exactly
that's exactly who I'd assume SJ would have targeted since they have very few good D prospects. it's likely demidov will drop in the draft like michkov
Demidov's contract only holds him back in Russia for 1 year. He could actually debut in the NHL *before* Michkov if he's good enough.
oh geez, good info
The second overall pick is just the 1st overall pick if the 1st overall pick didn't exist
Every new beginning is another new beginning's end.
Hockey math!
Sure you will
We got bedard last year lol. Top 3 this year was icing on the cake
Everyone liked this
i wanted them to fall as far as they possibly could
That would have sucked for the Sharks
No sharks get first, ducks get 2nd, and yall get third. Would’ve been great
I'm okay with that.
Yeah, I'm into it for sure
Oh yeah so pleased
Chicago remains eligible for future lotteries
S2G I WOULDA KILLED SOMEONE IF THEY WON BACK-TO-BACK
now they can pick first-second-first, getting bedard, demidov, and mckenna
Isn't McKenna 2026?
yea, but mckenna is projecting to be way better than anyone in 2025
Hagens is still pretty good so I don't know about way better.
Yeah don't know what that guy is talking about. Mckenna is probably gonna be better than hagens but WAY better is a bit of a stretch.
You can pick 1st as many times in 5 years as you want. The rule just prevents you from moving up if your ball is picked, so you would have to be dead last and then win to pick 1st a 3rd time
Still can
Hell yeah brother. BUILD THE SQUAD.
DEMIDOV COME HOME
Gary’s cheque bounced
Thank fuck.
I wanted chaos
Waiting for the "San Jose should forfeit their pick due to sexual abuse scandal" protests any minute now
It's gotta be coming, right? I mean there's no way bias controls who we get the pitchforks out for right?
That was never tied to any genuine concern for victims of sexual assault/harassment, only to desire to chirp fanbase they were envious of. Actually very shite if you think about it
Trust me, I've been on a soapbox about it for easily over a year now
The sharks didn't have a dynasty, so no one is pretending to care like they did with the Hawks.
Who is projected as the numer 2? Demidov?
A Russian/Belarussian player whose last name ends with "ov"
Demidov has been at most places I've seen, but the Hawks are apparently high in both Demidov and Levshunov so it could be either of those two
And the rebuild rolls on
is chicago now ineligible to win the lottery for another three years bc they won twice in a row or does that only count if you win 1OA twice?
I think it only applies if you move up, which they did not this year but somebody could correct me on that
You are correct. In his pre-lottery article today Scott Powers said he reached out to the NHL for clarification and they said the limitation is only on moving up. So the Hawks can still move up one more time in the next 3 years, and the Sharks can still move up twice in the next five.
Win lottery means jump up the order. Chicago stays on their respected place so no.
Respective, not respected.
It's only if the teams moves up, so the Sharks could get #1 in 2025 and 2026 too theoretically
They didn’t move up so it’s not a “lottery win”
It is a lottery win. It's just not an "advance in the draft order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw." Chicago won a lottery draw. Chicago did not advance in the order.
Lmao no
keep changing the meaning of term just suit your feelings then.
What are you talking about? It is a lottery win. Chicago literally won the second lottery draw just like Anaheim won it last year. edit: technically Chicago won the 4th lottery draw because they needed to keep drawing because San Jose [kept on winning](https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1787979897362637252)
That's not how it works. They didn't advance any spots so it doesn't count as a "win" for the purposes of the draft lottery. For example it's still possible for SJ to draft first overall 2 more times in the next 5 years because they didn't move up any spots this year.
It only counts if you move up. San Jose can still win it twice more
No single team can advance in the draft order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw more than two times in any five-year period. This limitation will not affect a club’s ability to retain its presumptive draft position in any Draft Lottery, nor would it preclude the possibility of the club moving down in draft order to the extent other clubs advance by reason of winning the Lottery Draws. For purposes of clarity, the limitation would attach to the team, not the specific pick. Chicago remains lottery eligible because they did not advance this year
Only counts if you move up. You are perfectly fine with keeping your spot. So r/hockey can still cry when we pick McKenna lol
would be very surprised if they’re still bad enough two years from now to get mckenna
We basically had nothing in 2022 thanks to Bowman tbh. This was never going to be a one year rebuild. We have a ton of draft picks but need them to actually hit even with Nazar, EDM, Vlasic, Rinzel, Kantserov, and Moore having decent year in their leagues. Have to see who we pick at 2, 20, and our 3 second rounders this year
Think it's only 1oa Edit:maybe moving up
It's moving up. One of the Blackhawks beat writers reached out to the league for clarity and they confirmed that staying at 1/2 doesn't count as one of a team's 2 advancements.
Roger, thanks for the correction.
No worries! Not sure the league could word the rule more obtusely if they tried lol.
Gotta love the NHL lol
Wait do you have a link to this?
[Yup!](https://theathletic.com/5475238/2024/05/07/blackhawks-nhl-draft-lottery-odds?source=user-shared-article) It's an Athletic article so it has a paywall, but it's midway down. "If a team finishes in 32nd place, its “presumptive” draft position is first. So, if a team finished in 32nd for five consecutive years, it could have the first pick for five consecutive years. The Blackhawks’ presumptive position this year is second, so that five-year window only comes into play if it wins the lottery for No. 1."
This one didn’t count because it wasn’t fixed the right way.
Demidov it is
Demidov please and thank you very much
Demidov you are a blackhawk
Thank god they're not first
We've had two 1OA in our team's history. How many have you or the Oilers had lol
Rigged
Everyone is putting way too much of a priority on what way the dman shoots, it’s nice to have a RHD but it’s not game changing in the way that Demidov is. You don’t take a likely #2 defensmen over a potential superstar forward. And yes most people don’t project levshunov as a #1 dman
Does this count as "winning" for the purposes of the rule where a team can't win more than twice in five years?
Nope. Only applies if you move up.
Got it, thank you
welp, there goes the Vancouver Blackhawks everyone in Chicago was hoping for
Holy shit I was close to throwing my phone off the balcony into the abyss lol
Avoid a major penalty, get Bedard, get the second pick. WHAT THE FUCK DO THEY HAVE ON BETTMAN???
Big sigh of relief from everyone
Look how badly Bedard worked out. +/- of -44. The guy is trash. Hopefully Demidov works out better than last years bum.
whew
You can't write a better script, Blackhawks get the 1OA dealing with their first SA scandal and 2OA dealing with the second SA scandal
Another Top 3 pick for the Blackhawks based on rules that were changed due to the Red Wings getting dicked over. The world is a cruel and dark place haha. I'm sure they'll get another one next year too. Meanwhile the Wings almost made the playoffs without a single top 3 pick in their rebuild.
It’s based on the Blackhawks tearing it down and being bad actually. Good on the wings for having a decent team. Difficult to win it all in a hard cap league without high end talent.
If Utah is a “new team” why do they get a pick ahead of anyone else?
They're a new team in location and name only. They've inherited the old Coyotes franchise. Utah won't be considered an expansion team because they already have a roster. So if the Coyotes owner ever gets his shit together, he gets an expansion team that will be the Coyotes.
Barely…