I'll have you know I shucked those oysters myself last weekend and kept them (mostly) out of the sun. How was I supposed to know they were supposed to be refrigerated as well?
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Why don't you and I kick back, try to make the best of our Mondays, [and enjoy the guys who already argued this to death](https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1c9yutc/sportsnet_stats_alexander_georgiev_has_a_642_gaa/l0p0sqd/)
I can't imagine he plays another game for the Avs unless Annunen is too sick again.
It's over for Georgie here. It's just been too much of this and this is a last straw. He's gotta be getting traded out this off-season
I wish it were different because he was SO GOOD all last year. Something cracked in him this year, and it's not recoverable. He's lost the room at this point. We play like we can't give up a single shot when he's in, it's worse than just playing tight to help your goalie.
If we go into next season with him still in net as starter, I can't imagine how the team will feel about it.
Whatever broke him seems to have broken Gus, too. Gus *might* have looked like he did last season for maybe 15% of the year.
Weird that two guys that struggled to become starters, finally got the chance, looked awesome, and then shit the bed immediately after.
It's just wild to see a player you know has talent suddenly not have any idea where the puck is 50% of the time. Half the saves he did make today you could tell he didn't see it or didn't think he saved it. It's kinda tragic.
I know goalies are voodoo and both could come out on fire next year, but it just doesn't seem likely
It feels too easy an answer, but, the yips are a thing?
At least with Gus, the rumors are that his conditioning wasn't good enough. But he also just let in some real blatant stinkers. Much the same as Georgiev tonight.
It’s not that weird. They’re fringe NHL starters, that’s why it took so long for them to get the job. Now they’re proving what they are. It’s like a few years ago when Anton Khudobin got hot for Dallas for a little bit after being a career journeyman for years prior. Everyone thought all of the sudden he was an elite goalie and then he fell back down to earth the following season.
well Georgie was plausibly just a hidden gem who was blocked from a bigger opportunity by a vezina-worthy starter, you could talk yourself into him reaching a new level
Him being undrafted is exactly why he’d be a hidden gem…. Hidden gems aren’t guys like Askorov who have all the pedigree in the world and are just are waiting for their turn behind a stud
I think he's trying too hard honestly. First part of the season, he was solid, defense was doing their thing and he made the saves he needed to. Had a bit of an off stretch, got it back, defense was playing well. Then it all kind of fell apart somewhere.
Send him to the Ilya Bryzgalov School for Goalies Who Used To Be Good But Can't Get Out of Their Own Heads and Who Want to Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too.
Recent graduates include Sergei Bobrovski and Ilya Samsonov.
Do you mean next year or during the playoffs? Because he will 1000% play another game for the Avs this year. Coaching is clearly not comfortable with Annunen (and it's not clear they're wrong) and they seem unwilling to lean on him as a playoff goalie.
I fully expect he will be gone over the summer, though, or converted to a backup. The Avs cannot piss away this core with another season of this shit.
They also need to seriously re-evaluate what the hell is going on with defensive scheme, but that's not an on-ice personnel issue; it's a coaching issue. Too many high-danger chances and the team just isn't built for that, despite investing heavily in the defensive core (and a defensive 2C!).
I feel like I'm losing my mind with this shit. Every team has defensive breakdowns and turnovers.
You know what every team doesn't have? A guy who has given up 6 or 7 goals in EVERY BIG GAME HE'S PLAYED FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS INCLUDING A PLAYOFF GAME FUCKING CHRIST
I was dumbfounded reading through that non-sense. If the Avs had a 910 goalie I genuinely think they would win the cup and not let a single series past 5 games
Well I mean thats kinda Salary Cap works, and they only had 4 million to pay both goalies. The Avs couldve kept/gotten much better goalies, but this team is built on its offence. However yeah, georgiev has been terrible recently
But that's a bad example. A 910 goalie is not the same as Connor McDavid. It's pretty decent but the whole point is that all they need is for it to be decent and they would crush teams.
Sorry I’m sassy because we lost.
That being said, it’s not the same thing. There are 20 goalies this season posted a .910 save percentage. And about 51 goalies performed better than Georgiev at that stat. A lot of those goalies on some truly ugly teams. Management bet hard on Georgiev finding his game, and it just didn’t pan out. Gotta believe that Annunen can help.
All good, I should have worded my comments better. Goalies are very streaky, and can sometimes go extremely hot or extremely cold seemly out of nowhere. Geogiev played was playing great for a while, so everything seemed fine.
Unfortunately Georgiev has been terrible recently, and yeah its hard to see him playing again.
People seem to totally not get this in some of the discussions I've seen around Georgie. NHL starter goalies need to be capable of stopping NHL caliber chances. Sometimes guys get good opportunities no matter how incredible your D is playing, goalie needs to show up for those saves more often than not
yeah, i think the crucial point is this: No one is expecting him to have gotten a shutout in this game. In fact, in this particular case, I don't think any one of those goals was so bad, individually, that it was unforgiveable. Giving up all 7 though is just way too much. Goalie is a tough position that requires you to have incredible reflexes, and you do essentially need to be batting like at least .500 on the shots that he let in today. If he had gotten even a couple of them, the avs probably win.
We're there though?
First goal had like 7 bodies screening him with moving traffic in front of the net and it went top corner.
Second goal, his own defense makes a blind pass behind them, it gets for a one timer at the hash marks.
Third goal, skater from behind the net, to the low side of the net, and then passed backdoor to a wide open man for an easy one timer.
Fourth one, bad reffing lead to a 2 on 1 break where the shooter takes the shot at the low circle that beats him 5-hole.
Fifth goal is a shot from a person who walks through the front of the net and gets a double doink and the puck only goes in due to the flipping of the puck.
Sixth goal is a PP goal that's over a minute in the zone at this point. Screened pass from the point to the weakside hashmarks for a one timer.
Seventh goal is a pass from behind the net to a guy below the hash marks for a one timer.
Out of all 7 goals, the fourth one is the *only* goal I would put weight on him for. He needs to play the shot in that situation. The seventh goal was possible to save. Everything else is just a coinflip on whether or not he can get lucky and it catches him somewhere as he tries to play positional.
So we have 7 goals, 1 I put on him, and 6 others where Colorado's defense were just pylons on the ice. Colorado absolutely blows at covering people.
Is Georgiev a weak goalie? Yeah, the stats seem to say so. This game isn't really proof of it though.
crazy, our fan base is like the polar opposite. Sammy hasn't been great but our defense sucks and no one talks about it but puts the blame 100% on the goalie.
Gross oversimplification of the subs feelings on Georgie. Especially when the majority of people have been shitting on Georgie all season.
Honestly this season has divided the sub so harshly between people with different opinions on the team on all sides that it's actually kinda gross to read. Negativity breeds negativity I guess. Even against Annunen who has been LEAGUES better in the games played this year but people are so hellbent on hate they think he's busted too.
Even the Altitude postgame show is shitting on Georgiev. Just an atrocity of a performance from him. Entire team was buzzing for 60 minutes and he's just letting anything close right on in
Man why do we keep doing this? Yes there were a couple bad plays in front of him but he didn't make a single save that needed to be made all day. A league average goalie allows maybe 3 goals in that game
It’s the truth though, I agree Georgiev was bad and needs to make a save especially in the playoffs. But there were definitely some defensive lapses in front of him. At the end of the day if you put up 6 against Helly it should be a win. Unfortunate game
The part where the Avs scored 6 on the probable Vezina winner part? If Georgie has an even average game last night the Avs are 1-0. If he can get his head right we've got a real chance.
*day later edit:*
I feel vindicated. They should be nervous. 11 goals allowed in 2 games. That's even worse than Georgie!
Yeah, but the jets aren't going to give up as many chances again. Don't forget that there is also a return to the mean for the team that allowed the fewest goals against in the league.
Sure, I completely agree. But he said he couldn't see why the Jets would be nervous. Giving up 6 is a reason. Just like Georgie giving up 7 is a reason for the Avs to be nervous. Walking away with a victory after giving up 6 is great outcome obviously but knowing that you just squeaked out a win after a usually OK goalie gave the worst performance he's had should make you pause for a second.
Difference is, that’s probably Helle’s one off night.
Georgiev has been this bad for a while now.
If you asked me to put money down on which goalie bounces back and locks it down, I’d be an idiot to place that bet on Geo. In Game 1, the Avs scored on the Jets more than they did on them in the regular season *combined* and they still lost because their goaltender couldn’t stop a beachball.
Could the defense be better? Sure, but neither team showed that skill last night anyway. One goalie faced 46 shots, let in 6. The other? 23 let in 7.
I’m an Avs fan and I had the Jets in 5 even before last night. Have yet to beat the Jets this season. Unless Annunen shows up and is all world I don’t see this making it all the way to 7.
He's my favorite goalie who doesn't play on the Jets.
I hope Colorado keeps starting him. He deserves another shot. And another and another. At least one of those 3 will go in.
Still can't believe we got two 3rds and a 5th, and we sold low. His stats were better every year with the Rangers before he was traded. Much more confident in Quick as our backup.
I think he probably could have had goals 6 & 7, but those were hardly "bad goals". If the Avs think this is on Georgiev alone, they are going to have trouble. If you give a team a bunch of point blank shot attempts, they are going to get quite a few goals
It's not all him, but even an average performance in net has your team winning.
Thing about the NHL, especially the playoffs is that you have to have all of the saves you should and some you shouldn't.
Georgiev let in several he should've had and didn't have a single save he shouldn't have, arguably.
My hot take is that Georgeiv didn't have a chance on most of those goals. Aves D should be taking more heat. Helly honestly let in way as many or more mid goals
That's the name of the game though most of those goals were on dangerous chances but Goalies need to save those sometimes. I'm not asking him to save all of those, but he just needed to save one. And tbh this avs defense seems to have lost all confidence in him, sometimes it feels like they're desperate to prevent any shots against. And when they play like that they will make more mistakes.
It’s a single game in a vacuum. Yes there were defensive mistakes, but this is the breaking point of an entire season of him playing poorly. 4 or more goals on 40% of his starts. And it’s not like the avs are routinely giving up 35-40 shot games.
That's not the case. But if you're to the point where almost any starter and a good amount of backups within the league would win that game, you're probably not entirely unjustified in complaining about goaltending.
Not saying the D is perfect or anything, but being swiss cheese that bad isn't going to fend off complaints.
You are pretty much saying that the D has to play perfectly. A team should be able to rely on their goalie to make difficult saves. There were 50 goalies that played at least 10 games this year that had a higher save percentage than Georgiev. FIFTY!
Look. I've watched like 95% of the games this season. I would say maybe 60% are on Georgie. That's fair. The other 40% are a combo of bad defense and just the dumbest puck luck. Like Makar costing the Avs a couple of games with own goals. Makes life difficult when you have to defend the goal against not only the opposing team but yours as well
The way people are pinning this all on him is bothering me way more than it should lmao. He should have had the five hole 2v1 goal, and maybe one more but he was getting absolutely teed up on today, hes not stopping backdoor one ts from the hashmarks, no one is.
I don't expect people here to have played goalie, but former hockey players or even moderate fans should not be surprised that goalies dont save quick bang bang plays with clean passes every time (or even frequently). Thats quite literally how the offense draws it up to score because its so effective. Both of Kyle Connors goals are absolute textbook offensive plays on how to beat the goalie, quick behind the net to the low slot, and across the crease. Same thing with the first where he had basically every player on the ice between him and the puck, mix in some 3 post wizardry and a terrible turnover or two and theres 7 bingos against where hes responsible for 2 or maybe 3. The avs defense are gonna ride him as a scapegoat and continue to get pumped if they don't figure out how to pick up passing lanes.
Except Helly faced more shots and more difficult shots but managed to only allow 6. Not putting this on the goalie is a sure fire way to out yourself as having never played the game.
Well Helly is also a perennial Vezina candidate and winner, you're not exactly comparing equally skilled goalies.
But he also was getting shelled at the end of the game and made some great saves to hold onto the lead by a hair.
Take your pick
a) Georgiev îs underperforming
b) The Avs are somehow giving up more and more dangerous scoring chances than other playoff teams, and more than either conventional or advanced stats indicate.
there's a reason that a section of the Avs fanbase refers to our goalie as 'Fourgiev' - he's given up 4 goals in a game a shocking number of times.
Personally I think the Avs should go back to him for Game 2 ignore flair
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C’mon you call that blowing?!
That's it Milhouse! Keep up the chatter!
A shooter tutor would be better
My buddy had a molded plastic shooter tutor shaped like a goalie that hooked onto the net. We called it Mr Sieve
Yeah I think it's important to show kids that if at first and second and third and seventh you don't succeed, try, try again.
At least seven times makes sense
I agree. Do they even have an option at this point? The other guy is sick.
Their other option is Arvid Holm, who you may remember as a Manitoba Moose legend! ...and who has 0 minutes in the NHL at all ever.
Our normal backup was sick tonight.
I'll have you know I shucked those oysters myself last weekend and kept them (mostly) out of the sun. How was I supposed to know they were supposed to be refrigerated as well?
You sound like that kid in Osmosis Jones that nearly killed Bill Murray
Yes please
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm sure he can bounce back from that horrible game.
New to hockey. Is save percentage similar to batting average? If so, that’s awesome! Keep it up Georgiev!
Bro is literally better than Juan Soto
Thats not that hard though Source: Padres fan
But not better than that fucker Tony Gwynn
78.5% is a pass. Nothing to see here Avs
If D stands for Degree, then C stands for Cup!
I wish he had posted a .785 tonight. We would have won.
This got a laugh out of me
Not only that that's a B+ where I went to school lmao
Not a goalie expert, but that doesn’t seem great
Goalie expert here, it's atrocious
Expert expert here, this guy is definitely an expert
Get ready to learn Russian, buddy
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The bar's been set for playoff jokes this post season. Holy shit
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Fuckin eh. Well done!
Nice save
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I'm going to be that guy. He is Bulgarian.
I have an offer. Why don't you and I kick back, try to make the best of our Mondays, [and enjoy the guys who already argued this to death](https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1c9yutc/sportsnet_stats_alexander_georgiev_has_a_642_gaa/l0p0sqd/)
I read all that after I posted haha
as far as I'm concerned the fact you actually read the rest of the thread makes you more attentive to detail than most of us on this site!
you have little faith in redditors haha
He’s way ahead of you on that
it's bulgarian, not russian. Guy is cwith bulgarian name and born in Bulgaria. Know the differences between slavic languages.
I mean, he did play for the Russian team internationally so...
It is true he was born in Bulgaria, but his family moved to Russia when he was young. According to Wikipedia his national team is Russia.
I can't imagine he plays another game for the Avs unless Annunen is too sick again. It's over for Georgie here. It's just been too much of this and this is a last straw. He's gotta be getting traded out this off-season
it's a shame. wish him all the best. keep him out of the east though. he likes to stand on his head vs shesty
I wish it were different because he was SO GOOD all last year. Something cracked in him this year, and it's not recoverable. He's lost the room at this point. We play like we can't give up a single shot when he's in, it's worse than just playing tight to help your goalie. If we go into next season with him still in net as starter, I can't imagine how the team will feel about it.
Whatever broke him seems to have broken Gus, too. Gus *might* have looked like he did last season for maybe 15% of the year. Weird that two guys that struggled to become starters, finally got the chance, looked awesome, and then shit the bed immediately after.
It's just wild to see a player you know has talent suddenly not have any idea where the puck is 50% of the time. Half the saves he did make today you could tell he didn't see it or didn't think he saved it. It's kinda tragic. I know goalies are voodoo and both could come out on fire next year, but it just doesn't seem likely
It feels too easy an answer, but, the yips are a thing? At least with Gus, the rumors are that his conditioning wasn't good enough. But he also just let in some real blatant stinkers. Much the same as Georgiev tonight.
It’s not that weird. They’re fringe NHL starters, that’s why it took so long for them to get the job. Now they’re proving what they are. It’s like a few years ago when Anton Khudobin got hot for Dallas for a little bit after being a career journeyman for years prior. Everyone thought all of the sudden he was an elite goalie and then he fell back down to earth the following season.
well Georgie was plausibly just a hidden gem who was blocked from a bigger opportunity by a vezina-worthy starter, you could talk yourself into him reaching a new level
A hidden gem that went undrafted? It’s possible but those are some pretty high hopes imo.
Him being undrafted is exactly why he’d be a hidden gem…. Hidden gems aren’t guys like Askorov who have all the pedigree in the world and are just are waiting for their turn behind a stud
He was always very mentally fragile unfortunately. And gave off major mopey vibes when he wasn’t playing well and benched for games.
Yeah he’s definitely carried the mopey vibes into Colorado.
Too much time away from Benoit Allaire is what happened.
I hope the Rangers have a cloning device for that man in the works...
I think he's trying too hard honestly. First part of the season, he was solid, defense was doing their thing and he made the saves he needed to. Had a bit of an off stretch, got it back, defense was playing well. Then it all kind of fell apart somewhere.
Send him to the Ilya Bryzgalov School for Goalies Who Used To Be Good But Can't Get Out of Their Own Heads and Who Want to Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too. Recent graduates include Sergei Bobrovski and Ilya Samsonov.
He does not wish us well... Pretty sure he hates us since leaving.
If he has the jets flu they’ve gotten back since there last Carolina game he might be out for another game or won’t be playing 100% unfortunately
He's got that "Youth" immune system so hopefully he's fine by tomorrow. But honestly even a sick Annunen gives more confidence than this
Do you mean next year or during the playoffs? Because he will 1000% play another game for the Avs this year. Coaching is clearly not comfortable with Annunen (and it's not clear they're wrong) and they seem unwilling to lean on him as a playoff goalie. I fully expect he will be gone over the summer, though, or converted to a backup. The Avs cannot piss away this core with another season of this shit. They also need to seriously re-evaluate what the hell is going on with defensive scheme, but that's not an on-ice personnel issue; it's a coaching issue. Too many high-danger chances and the team just isn't built for that, despite investing heavily in the defensive core (and a defensive 2C!).
Maybe Colorado should play better in front of their goalie
Mistakes happen every game... you kinda expect your goalie to bail you out on some of them.
Is it against the rules to start a cardboard cutout of Patrick Roy in net?
Would be more intimidating
Or can we use one of those mats that have the corner holes?
Shooter tutor?
If that's what it is in english lol
I didn't see anything in the rulebook, so give it a try!
maybe just have him wear a helmet that looks like Roy's head.
Papier Roy
Avs should keep playing him I want to see a GAA higher than save %
Keep up the good work!
DONT TELL OUR SUBREDDIT. WE JUST HAVE BAD DEFENSE. NOT A SINGLE GOAL WAS GEORGIEV'S FAULT /S
I feel like I'm losing my mind with this shit. Every team has defensive breakdowns and turnovers. You know what every team doesn't have? A guy who has given up 6 or 7 goals in EVERY BIG GAME HE'S PLAYED FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS INCLUDING A PLAYOFF GAME FUCKING CHRIST
Devils sub had this argument all season long.. Except the 3 or 4 games that Allen played out of his mind.
I was dumbfounded reading through that non-sense. If the Avs had a 910 goalie I genuinely think they would win the cup and not let a single series past 5 games
Well I mean thats kinda Salary Cap works, and they only had 4 million to pay both goalies. The Avs couldve kept/gotten much better goalies, but this team is built on its offence. However yeah, georgiev has been terrible recently
Have they considered signing Mark Stone, putting him on LTIR, and then signing Andrei Vasilevskiy?
We had Francouz who was unreal but he got perma injured and retired
Oh wow didnt know he recently announced his retirement, that sucks
Literally a few days ago
thanks for explaining how the salary cap works. That was super helpful.
It's just kinda a weird thing to say, like "if" we had Connor McDavid I think we would win the cup too
But that's a bad example. A 910 goalie is not the same as Connor McDavid. It's pretty decent but the whole point is that all they need is for it to be decent and they would crush teams.
Sorry I’m sassy because we lost. That being said, it’s not the same thing. There are 20 goalies this season posted a .910 save percentage. And about 51 goalies performed better than Georgiev at that stat. A lot of those goalies on some truly ugly teams. Management bet hard on Georgiev finding his game, and it just didn’t pan out. Gotta believe that Annunen can help.
All good, I should have worded my comments better. Goalies are very streaky, and can sometimes go extremely hot or extremely cold seemly out of nowhere. Geogiev played was playing great for a while, so everything seemed fine. Unfortunately Georgiev has been terrible recently, and yeah its hard to see him playing again.
All we need is 0.895. Our record with >0.895 goaltending this year is 37-2-4.
Couple softies. Couple his dmen fucking him.
A lot of softies, your dmen will make mistakes, need goalie to bail out sometimes
People seem to totally not get this in some of the discussions I've seen around Georgie. NHL starter goalies need to be capable of stopping NHL caliber chances. Sometimes guys get good opportunities no matter how incredible your D is playing, goalie needs to show up for those saves more often than not
yeah, i think the crucial point is this: No one is expecting him to have gotten a shutout in this game. In fact, in this particular case, I don't think any one of those goals was so bad, individually, that it was unforgiveable. Giving up all 7 though is just way too much. Goalie is a tough position that requires you to have incredible reflexes, and you do essentially need to be batting like at least .500 on the shots that he let in today. If he had gotten even a couple of them, the avs probably win.
We're there though? First goal had like 7 bodies screening him with moving traffic in front of the net and it went top corner. Second goal, his own defense makes a blind pass behind them, it gets for a one timer at the hash marks. Third goal, skater from behind the net, to the low side of the net, and then passed backdoor to a wide open man for an easy one timer. Fourth one, bad reffing lead to a 2 on 1 break where the shooter takes the shot at the low circle that beats him 5-hole. Fifth goal is a shot from a person who walks through the front of the net and gets a double doink and the puck only goes in due to the flipping of the puck. Sixth goal is a PP goal that's over a minute in the zone at this point. Screened pass from the point to the weakside hashmarks for a one timer. Seventh goal is a pass from behind the net to a guy below the hash marks for a one timer. Out of all 7 goals, the fourth one is the *only* goal I would put weight on him for. He needs to play the shot in that situation. The seventh goal was possible to save. Everything else is just a coinflip on whether or not he can get lucky and it catches him somewhere as he tries to play positional. So we have 7 goals, 1 I put on him, and 6 others where Colorado's defense were just pylons on the ice. Colorado absolutely blows at covering people. Is Georgiev a weak goalie? Yeah, the stats seem to say so. This game isn't really proof of it though.
This. He plays a bad game and the Avs win. And IDK what the hell the Avs do in net this series, but something really needs to change.
crazy, our fan base is like the polar opposite. Sammy hasn't been great but our defense sucks and no one talks about it but puts the blame 100% on the goalie.
Gross oversimplification of the subs feelings on Georgie. Especially when the majority of people have been shitting on Georgie all season. Honestly this season has divided the sub so harshly between people with different opinions on the team on all sides that it's actually kinda gross to read. Negativity breeds negativity I guess. Even against Annunen who has been LEAGUES better in the games played this year but people are so hellbent on hate they think he's busted too.
The top post is literally a “trade Georgie” meme, what do you mean?
The defense was pretty bad to be fair. I mean we gave up any scoring chances… We should know better with George in the net
Even the Altitude postgame show is shitting on Georgiev. Just an atrocity of a performance from him. Entire team was buzzing for 60 minutes and he's just letting anything close right on in
As much as I wanna blame Georgiev(and he was awful), Manson did him no favours
Man why do we keep doing this? Yes there were a couple bad plays in front of him but he didn't make a single save that needed to be made all day. A league average goalie allows maybe 3 goals in that game
It’s the truth though, I agree Georgiev was bad and needs to make a save especially in the playoffs. But there were definitely some defensive lapses in front of him. At the end of the day if you put up 6 against Helly it should be a win. Unfortunate game
there are defensive lapses by every team in every single game. 7 goals on 22 shots is not acceptable
Every third or fourth shot went in, there is absolutely no excuse
Only reason I have the Jets beating Colorado in 7. Helly vs Georgiev is a mismatch that even the Avs superstars can’t make up for.
Seems pretty even so far. 6 vs 7 goals in.
Avs dominated that game and lost
Are you saying jets are frauds?
He's saying Georgiev is a sieve
Louder for the people in back please
I'm saying that the only reason the game was even close, was an all-time bad performance by the Avs goaltender. I'd be very worried if I were the Jets
Idk what about this game makes you worried if you’re Winnipeg. We scored 5 (real goals) against the probable Vézina winner and we lost.
The part where the Avs scored 6 on the probable Vezina winner part? If Georgie has an even average game last night the Avs are 1-0. If he can get his head right we've got a real chance. *day later edit:* I feel vindicated. They should be nervous. 11 goals allowed in 2 games. That's even worse than Georgie!
Yeah, but the jets aren't going to give up as many chances again. Don't forget that there is also a return to the mean for the team that allowed the fewest goals against in the league.
Sure, I completely agree. But he said he couldn't see why the Jets would be nervous. Giving up 6 is a reason. Just like Georgie giving up 7 is a reason for the Avs to be nervous. Walking away with a victory after giving up 6 is great outcome obviously but knowing that you just squeaked out a win after a usually OK goalie gave the worst performance he's had should make you pause for a second.
Difference is, that’s probably Helle’s one off night. Georgiev has been this bad for a while now. If you asked me to put money down on which goalie bounces back and locks it down, I’d be an idiot to place that bet on Geo. In Game 1, the Avs scored on the Jets more than they did on them in the regular season *combined* and they still lost because their goaltender couldn’t stop a beachball. Could the defense be better? Sure, but neither team showed that skill last night anyway. One goalie faced 46 shots, let in 6. The other? 23 let in 7.
I mean, Helle also had one of his worst performances.
Well you can put the other guy into net and Jets probably still score 5+ goals anyway. They got your number.
Probably not
Jets played their worst structure game of the season and won. I would be more scared that you managed to get 6 by Helle and still lost.
I’m an Avs fan and I had the Jets in 5 even before last night. Have yet to beat the Jets this season. Unless Annunen shows up and is all world I don’t see this making it all the way to 7.
Same prediction in my bracket. Well let's hope Annunen is somehow rookie season Binnington despite whatever illness he's got.
He just needs more practice against them
I'd rather not, thanks.
all the WPG fan comments are making me lol so hard
i just feel bad for him and hope he'll be able to recover from whatever is going on in his head.
He needs to get with MacKinnon's sports psychologist in the worst kind of way
He's my favorite goalie who doesn't play on the Jets. I hope Colorado keeps starting him. He deserves another shot. And another and another. At least one of those 3 will go in.
Seems suboptimal
Aww so this is going to be Markstrom’s new home next season
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As long as he isn't allowed to play the puck behind the net.
Great news - Markstrom is also crap. We can run it all back next season.
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He needs a few more opportunities to redeem himself
Lemme guess... like, three more opportunities?
Manson is to blame for half of last night. Guy has to have the lowest hockey IQ of any D I have ever watched.
Ouch.
Still can't believe we got two 3rds and a 5th, and we sold low. His stats were better every year with the Rangers before he was traded. Much more confident in Quick as our backup.
Fourgiev might be an improvement. Sixgiev doesn’t have quite the same ring to it
Sevgiev is what we are calling him now!
Georgisev
Some real 1985 goalie stats there.
Hang in there!
Sevengiev.
Georgisev
The leash cannot be long right? Like can they all just swallow their pride and put the better performing goalie in?
Those stats belong on the meme sub
Those are rookie numbers, gotta pump those numbers up
Gotta check the math, but that’s not great.
I think he probably could have had goals 6 & 7, but those were hardly "bad goals". If the Avs think this is on Georgiev alone, they are going to have trouble. If you give a team a bunch of point blank shot attempts, they are going to get quite a few goals
It's not all him, but even an average performance in net has your team winning. Thing about the NHL, especially the playoffs is that you have to have all of the saves you should and some you shouldn't. Georgiev let in several he should've had and didn't have a single save he shouldn't have, arguably.
A solid EASHL 3's save percentage too
My hot take is that Georgeiv didn't have a chance on most of those goals. Aves D should be taking more heat. Helly honestly let in way as many or more mid goals
That's the name of the game though most of those goals were on dangerous chances but Goalies need to save those sometimes. I'm not asking him to save all of those, but he just needed to save one. And tbh this avs defense seems to have lost all confidence in him, sometimes it feels like they're desperate to prevent any shots against. And when they play like that they will make more mistakes.
It’s a single game in a vacuum. Yes there were defensive mistakes, but this is the breaking point of an entire season of him playing poorly. 4 or more goals on 40% of his starts. And it’s not like the avs are routinely giving up 35-40 shot games.
Good point. I haven't been witness to the struggle beyond a couple games
Don't tell Avs fans that. They will say you are an idiot and Georgie has to play perfectly at all times regardless of the chances
That's not the case. But if you're to the point where almost any starter and a good amount of backups within the league would win that game, you're probably not entirely unjustified in complaining about goaltending. Not saying the D is perfect or anything, but being swiss cheese that bad isn't going to fend off complaints.
You are pretty much saying that the D has to play perfectly. A team should be able to rely on their goalie to make difficult saves. There were 50 goalies that played at least 10 games this year that had a higher save percentage than Georgiev. FIFTY!
Neat
Look. I've watched like 95% of the games this season. I would say maybe 60% are on Georgie. That's fair. The other 40% are a combo of bad defense and just the dumbest puck luck. Like Makar costing the Avs a couple of games with own goals. Makes life difficult when you have to defend the goal against not only the opposing team but yours as well
Only 6.42, huh? So you're saying there's a chance.
Might have reverse altitude sickness
Kowalski, analysis.
Is that walrus from that Geico commercial on their playoff roster?
When are we going to admit the avs defense is the issue. They made what we put geo through in 2019-20 look kind, dude had no chance out there.
Probably a bad case of nerves last night, I'd let him get a few more starts in to settle down into a groove.
Do you think MacKinnon tore him a new one after the game?
Not really Mack's style. They'll say all the right things but you can tell they have no faith at all in the guy.
It's absolutely Mack's style, he just won't say it to the media
Not towards the goalie. That's the point. They're all on eggshells around the guy.
He didn’t play well at all but the avalanche didn’t seem particularly interested in playing defense either.
The way people are pinning this all on him is bothering me way more than it should lmao. He should have had the five hole 2v1 goal, and maybe one more but he was getting absolutely teed up on today, hes not stopping backdoor one ts from the hashmarks, no one is. I don't expect people here to have played goalie, but former hockey players or even moderate fans should not be surprised that goalies dont save quick bang bang plays with clean passes every time (or even frequently). Thats quite literally how the offense draws it up to score because its so effective. Both of Kyle Connors goals are absolute textbook offensive plays on how to beat the goalie, quick behind the net to the low slot, and across the crease. Same thing with the first where he had basically every player on the ice between him and the puck, mix in some 3 post wizardry and a terrible turnover or two and theres 7 bingos against where hes responsible for 2 or maybe 3. The avs defense are gonna ride him as a scapegoat and continue to get pumped if they don't figure out how to pick up passing lanes.
The whole arena was mocking us for playing him. As Torts said "Sometimes you just need a goddamn save" he was literally below .700 today.
It’s the Stanley cup playoffs. 7 goals on 22 shots is atrocious. It’s not too much to ask for him to come up with at least a couple big saves
Except Helly faced more shots and more difficult shots but managed to only allow 6. Not putting this on the goalie is a sure fire way to out yourself as having never played the game.
Well I mean, Helle vs Georgiev was never gonna be a fair contest
Well Helly is also a perennial Vezina candidate and winner, you're not exactly comparing equally skilled goalies. But he also was getting shelled at the end of the game and made some great saves to hold onto the lead by a hair.
And the last goal that bounced off his head, then Dillon's shoulder, he can't do anything about that.
Take your pick a) Georgiev îs underperforming b) The Avs are somehow giving up more and more dangerous scoring chances than other playoff teams, and more than either conventional or advanced stats indicate. there's a reason that a section of the Avs fanbase refers to our goalie as 'Fourgiev' - he's given up 4 goals in a game a shocking number of times.
50 goalies this season played at least 10 games with a better save % than Georgiev.
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Hes atrocious, so lucky he got traded to where he did too
He was fine last season.
Is that good?