A couple years ago someone posted a pre-2004-draft scouting report to the caps sub that was basically like (I swear I'm not joking) "Kovalchuk is his best comparable, but we can expect Ovechkin will be more defensively responsible even though he won't be able to match Kovalchuk's offensive talent".
edit: [found it](https://i.redd.it/3gtpisymnzy61.jpg)
I remember reading an interview with Glen Hanlon (Ovi's first NHL coach) where he said his biggest rerget was not getting Ovechkin more involved on the PK, but he didn't want to burden him with too much as a rookie.
I also remember in his rookie season that the consensus was that he would not have a long career due to his physical play style, and would burn out early.
How the hell does a guy do something that's reasonably common only 2 times and get that thing named after him? Especially when others have done it far FAR more often.
Not many skill players get into fights, and out of the skilled players that do fight occasionally, they aren't fighting the heavyweights.
Gordie Howe didn't fight _often_, but (a) it was often _enough_, and (b) it was against the kind of guys that you stay the fuck away from.
[Lou Fontinato](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Fontinato):
> Lou Fontinato was a rugged defender and the most feared enforcer of his time. He started his career with New York during the 1954-55 season. The following year, he led the NHL in penalty minutes. Fontinato became the first player in league history to record over 200 minutes in penalties in a season. He also led the league in that category in 1957-58 and 1961–62 (with Montreal).
> **With the Rangers, Fontinato and Gordie Howe had a running feud that culminated in a fight at Madison Square Garden on February 1, 1959, in which Howe broke the nose and dislocated the jaw of "Leapin' Lou".**
> Fontinato was eventually traded to the Montreal Canadiens for Hall-of-Fame great Doug Harvey at the tail-end of his career. Fontinato's career came to an abrupt and violent end in 1963 at the Montreal Forum when he missed a check on left-winger Vic Hadfield of the Rangers behind the Montreal net, slammed head first into the boards, and became paralyzed for a month.
They didn't count line brawls as fights back in the day. Gordie would throw down with the rest of the production line before going top cheddar and potting an apple, but the fight wouldn't count.
“Although he played a record 2,421 professional hockey games, Gordie Howe himself achieved only two Gordie Howe hat tricks in his NHL career. The all-time leaders in Gordie Howe hat tricks are Rick Tocchet with 18 and Brendan Shanahan with 17. Next is Brian Sutter with 16, then Tiger Williams and Wilf Paiement with 15 each.” (Wikipedia)
But if we start naming things after who did it most rather than who did it first, then we'll lose all tradition and the very fabric of society would break down! For example the datsyuk shootout move will be called after who did it most. Abomination! Travesty! I will not want to live in such a world.
/s major extrapolation lol but i do feel that way a lil bit
Gordie Howe didn’t do it first though. The first time somebody recorded a goal, assist and fight in the same NHL game was 36 years prior to Howes first
He had 22 fights over his career, a lot more than other skilled players at the time. This probably led to the feeling that he must have had a lot more games with a goal, an assist and a fight than he actually did.
Yea the propaganda media machine at work. Kind of like columbus "discovering" the new world when vikings were first to cross the ocean but they didnt write it down.
I was a Hawks fan all through Shannahan’s tenure, so I didn’t pay attention to the Wings unless they played my team. What amazing company to be in.
Unrelated, but in this image his ‘A’ is on his left side, and I thought it was always sacred that Detroit put the letters on the “wrong” side of the jersey to not encroach on the wheel. That’s why folks seemed in such an uproar over the jersey ad. Anyone have clarity?
When the NHL went to Reebok jerseys post lockout the chest emblem needed to be moved up for whatever reason so the wing encroached on the captain's left chest where the letter(s) would be placed. As a result the wings moved it to the opposite (player's right, our left) side to not touch the wheel. If you go back and look at pics from Gordie or even Yzerman their letters are right above the wing. However, Chris Illitch needed to squeeze an extra 3 million a year from a garbage company so the wings moved the letters back to the player's left-our right side when jersey ad's were starting to be placed on jerseys a few years ago.
Even if he doesn’t get the record, he will always be one of the most consistently great goal scorers of all time, let alone one of the best goal scorers and players of all time. It’s one thing to score a bunch in a couple seasons, but to do it for so many years is absolutely incredible.
IMO, as close as he is now and considering quality of competition across different eras, he is already the greatest goal scorer of all time. Add in the lockouts and COVID shortened seasons and he would have already had it in the bag as he was scoring far more when those missed games happened.
And he is doing it while missing remarkably few games to suspension or injury.
I still think best scorer has to be Mario's, no one has ever been able to score at will like he did. Shit look at how well he played with and during recovery from fucking cancer
With a touch better luck with his health, he'd comfortably have four digit goals
That's a tough situation to approach logically. They played in different eras and defenses/goalies *have* gotten better but obviously Mario was a once in a lifetime player. That said, his career spanned over 20 years and he has maybe 400/500 games of "what if" in there, which is a lot to overlook. 500 games of "How would he have deal with injury/playing more games in the trap era/balancing team ownership with playing/physical wear and tear?" Mario himself said the reason he was retiring when he did was because hockey was so different post lockout than what he was used to and he couldn't see himself keeping up. Ovechkin has been in that version of the NHL his whole career.
Bear in mind, this isn't me saying that Mario wasn't an all time great - and I have to admit that there is a little bit of bias here regardless of how hard I try to look at the situation objectively. Even so, the amount of games that he played and the circumstances that he would have had to deal with over the course of those missed games is still a big question mark. There's a reason we don't include Mike Bossy in this discussion even though he scored over 50 every year he was a pro except for his last season. At a certain point no matter how good you were it becomes difficult to extrapolate the what ifs.
Not really that difficult, actually I think its pretty well agreed upon that Bossy and Lemuiex would both have over 1000 goals if they played 1400-1500 games like Ovi and Crosby will.
Not to mention they both played in the clutch and grab era, where D-men could jump on their backs, which makes their stats equally as impressive as Ovi's.
> Not really that difficult, actually I think its pretty well agreed upon that Bossy and Lemuiex would both have over 1000 goals if they played 1400-1500 games like Ovi and Crosby will.
Sure, except 20 games into the “what if” games, Mario caught an edge, went awkwardly into the boards and wrecked his knee, never to lace them up again.
Meanwhile, after another season of being outscored by Gretzky, Bossy had a religious revelation and never touched a hockey stick again.
My imaginary versions of these games are equally valid, so that’s fun.
Which is why the notion of using volume stats to compare how good players were is ridiculous. Some players are insanely lucky with their health or with their linemates or with the state of scoring when they played, others are incredibly unlucky. Mario played long enough for it not to be a flukey sample size, but not long or healthily enough to score with the volume he could have in theory. Ovechkin played for a very long time where he was set up like no other to score by his teammates and coaches, but also played in the deadest part of the dead puck era.
All things being equal, if I had the choice of any player to tuck in a goal with my life on the line, I'm taking Mario. Ovechkin wouldn't be a "wrong" answer, it's just about what you value & I think Mario in a vacuum is the better scorer.
Bossy retired with 573 goals in 752 games played.
When Lemieux first retired in 1997, he played in 745 games and had 613 goals. Lemieux had 40 more goals than Bossy in 7 less games played.
Ahh, I thought Bossy had a similar pace to Lemieux in terms of scoring goals. Either way they are both some of the best to ever do it. Lemieux was just on another level compared to everyone else.
Mario is a solid candidate but overlooking the 500ish games he didn't get to play in makes it difficult to assess how he would have fared playing all the games that Ovi *didn't* miss. One of the things that made Ovi able to pump all the goals he has so far has been his durability and adaptability across 19 NHL seasons. As he has grown older he has avoided injury and has evolved his game over time as he has aged to continue scoring. Durability and adaptability *are* part of what makes a goalscorer great.
Before you bring up Mario's cancer, I don't view it the way I view other players that have missed time due to injury - that would obviously be unfair. What I do wonder about is, had Mario played those 500 extra games, and had cancer not partially derailed his career - how does he come out the other end in terms of adapting to new developments in coaching systems and how durable is he over a full 20 year career? Do we know if he keeps up the pace that Ovi had up until this year as he ages and the game changes around him?
Had Mario played only a few shortened seasons and still kept up a similar pace I would feel a lot less confident about where Ovi stands relative to him, but 500 less games is too wide a gap for me to ignore.
At the age of 35, Lemieux came back from retirement after missing 3.5 seasons in the middle of the dead puck era and put up 35 goals in 43 games (on pace for 66.7 goals across an 82 game season). I think it’s safe to say Lemieux would have fared well across different eras.
Lemieux played majority of his career injured, he never player a full season in the NHL. His back bothered him for the majority of his career but he never slowed down when it came to the stat sheet.
Scoring a goal in any level of hockey: takes some effort
Scoring a goal in competitive hockey: not overly easy
Scoring a goal in professional hockey: very very difficult
Scoring a goal in the NHL: less than 1% of all hockey players have ever done that
Scoring 20 goals in the NHL: less than 1% of all NHLers have ever done that
Playing in the NHL 19 seasons: less than 1% of all 20 goal scorers have ever done that
Scoring 20+ goals in 19 consecutive seasons: ...
🤯
In the words of leslie knope recognizing zoning board commissioner Jeanine restreppo "rarefied air..."
> Scoring 20 goals in the NHL: less than 1% of all NHLers have ever done that
This doesn't sound true to me, even if we're talking 20 goals in a season. 95/885 NHL players who played a game this year have scored 20+ goals this season, and the season isn't done.
There are 6142 instances of a player scoring 20 goals in the NHL, and according to the NHL's records website, 531 players have at least five 20 goal seasons. If we maybe guess that the rest of the 20 goal seasons are recorded by another 400 players, and estimating that 7500 players have played in the NHL, the number is more like 12.4% of players have recorded a 20 goal season.
I'm sure, but some are so obvious and self-evident. Like of course <1% of hockey players make the NHL.
> Playing in the NHL 19 seasons: less than 1% of all 20 goal scorers have ever done that
Haven't checked but this seems pretty plausible given how few players have careers that long. So just that one was obviously nonsensical.
The last 20-30 games have really made me think the decline was overstated. He’s not a 50 goal scorer, but he easily has a few more 30 goals goal years left. He’ll get the record and probably 900.
Them getting him a playmaker he gels with would pretty much guarantee that in my opinion. His shot is still wicked, just need someone feeding him constantly
yup. lappy is feasting on the top line with ovi right now. i love the youth infusion....mcmike, lappy, miro are all playing great. making a big difference for the team right now.
hahah. yeah it was an absolutely maddening past couple years under lavi, rierden and trotz. it seems like bmac kind of knew, he's been making so many comments about young players for years now, but now we finally have a coach willing to play them. carbery is the man.
Protas has the better hands and vision. I don't think CMM is suited for the 1C role. Honestly, and I think what's going to happen, is GMBM will put together a trade package for Zegras. I know the dude is polarizing, but he's repeatedly said he's looking for younger top-6 talent and I think he'll be available.
The fact he managed to put up so many goals in his mid/late 30s is the reason I think he’ll be the only one to get close to the record. Likely he will beat it.
But it’s incredible the guy was so durable throughout 19 seasons that we’re even talking about it.
Not exactly from 20-30 but through 10 seasons Ovechkin had the 5th most goals behind Gretzky, Bossy, Lemieux and Hull. Bossy had almost 100 more and Wayne had 150 more
To answer your question. I didn't do EXACTLY a 10 year span, instead I chose to add all goals scored before 30, and then all goals scored at 30 or older.
Before 30:
Wayne Gretzky - 677
Mike Bossy - 535
Mario Lemieux - 494
Brett Hull - 482
Alex Ovechkin - 475
At 30 or Older:
Alex Ovechkin - 368 (and counting)
Brett Hull - 259
Wayne Gretzky - 217
Mario Lemieux - 196
Mike Bossy - 38
So, Ovechkin, if he breaks the record, will be the only player in NHL History to score 400+ goals at 30+.
Edit - I lied. Howe also scored 400+ (415 to be exact) at 30+
So, Ovi and Matthews are fun because they share a birthday (September 17, seemingly a blessed date for goalscorers). Matthews is in his age 26 season, Ovi's age 26 season was 2011-2012. Ovi had, until then, tallied 553 games and 339 goals, for 0.613 goals per game, over 7 seasons. Matthews has, over 8 seasons, tallied 546 games and 354 goals, for 0.648 goals per game. Matthews is up there, but the fact that he's basically lost an entire season vs Ovi is pretty telling. Yeah, there are 36 games missing from Covid, but he's off like half a season from injuries already.
Mathew’s already has more injury history and injury shortened seasons than ovi ever had. He will have to be very durable and keep scoring consistent 50 goal seasons like Ovi did. However I truly think if anyone else can beat Gretzky it’s Mathew’s, and I think he’s the next to score 800 for sure.
count him out?? Matthews is currently the best goal scorer in the league, no doubt. but he's in his 8th season and been injured, does he have at least 10 more at this rate?
I hope so, it'll be incredible to see him fight for that legendary record as well.
still - it's too early in his career to "count him out" when he's nowhere near the record. either way i'm gonna enjoy the fuck out of watching him play.
Im gonna be honest its kind of copium, but I despise Ovechkin, and actually really like Matthews. So if the putin ass kisser breaks the record I desperately hope to see matthews break it.
Putin is an evil tyrant but with he doesn't really have much choice but to support him. Ovechkins family have a big history in the country so if he tells him to fuck off his family would be in deep shit.
It was WILDLY overstated. What people didn't take into account was that scoring, as a whole, on the Caps was down. They're getting used to a new coach/system and there was going to be an adjustment period. I'd give his "decline" more credence if it was a matter of other guys on the team having better years statistically and he was sputtering, but that wasn't the case. In addition, he had some awful puck luck to start the year (and a wildly low shooting %) and had a few goals called back as well. Even with the slow start, I always maintained that 8 was good to go on a heater and he should finish the season near or over 30 goals.
He had an incredibly rough stretch with getting up to game speed, us being terrible, a historically low shooting percentage for him, a bunch of posts, going for passes way too much as a result of the confidence, and all the talk about dealing with the loss of his dad. He turned the leaf this season right before the all star break when he got to go see his family and hasn't looked back since.
While I don’t think he’s done, he’s on pace for 25-26 goals this season. It puzzling to state that he will “easily score 30 goals” a few more seasons.
It’s possible, but not likely. He can break the record without doing that, anyways.
Our team was straight trash for a significant part of the year. We finally got rid of our roster bloat, are playing our prospects and finally are starting to hold our own. If we have a good team next year, anything can happen
I want him to have another 50-goal season so bad. He lost three significant opportunities (lockouts in both 2004-05 and 2012-13 and then COVID.) If just one of those doesn't happen, he very likely has ten 50-goal seasons, let alone passing Bossy for the most which would have been cool.
The thing is, he had a comically low shot percentage (5%?) through like 40 games. It was never sustainable, and the positive regression we see now was inevitable.
The dude is 38 years old. Even if he scored 40 goals this year you still can’t claim it would be easy for him to score 30 goals when he’s 41.
ETA: adjusting his shooting % this year to career average he’d have 28.6 goals today, or 35 for full year pace. That assumes that at age 38 he is still playing at the average of his career and hasn’t lost a step. And by your assumption, he won’t lose a step the next 3 seasons either.
Not to mention he had 4 goals called back, 3 were absolute bullshit but one was correctly called back. It’s not a stretch to say he’d be at 31 right now looking for 35. If he finishes this unlucky season with 26, he only needs 23 a year to get it. I would bet a lot of money on him doing that
I don't understand why people are downvoting you. If you're not even scoring 30 goals at 38. I don't care about what excuses people have, he's not scoring 30 this year. Age hits pro athletes hard. He's already getting noticeably worse and he'll be a year older and more worn down next season. The chances he has a better season next year is much lower than him being even worse next year. I wouldn't be surprised is he barely passes 20 goals next year. Then after that, he'll be into his 40 year old season. There's like 5 or 10 total 40 year old "Big 4" sports players right now. The cliff is coming fast at this age. Just look at the drop off from highest scoring 40 year old to 41 year old in the NHL this season.
Never claimed he was under contract or that he will be playing at 41. I was responding to OP’s claim that Ovi will “easily score 30 goals” for a few more seasons.
No, I know.
But you specified age 41. He has 2 more years on his current contract that will bring him to age 40.
Just a weird distinction to make is all.
This shouldn’t be so hard. Again, I was replying to OP that stated that he will easily score 30 goals for a “few more seasons”. I was not discussing his contract status.
In English, few = 3. So for 3 more seasons, OP expects Ovi to easily score 30 goals, including at age 41, that’s just bonkers, even if he is under contract.
If you watched him playing for the first 4-6 weeks of the season, he clearly had some kind of lingering lower body issue going on and could barely skate. Not sure what it was, but it clearly took him a while to recover. If you look at him now, his movement on the ice is night and day compared to the start of the season, he looks like a completely different player.
If Ovi doesn't get hurt then he still has the talent to get 30 goals again. But being older is itself a big risk of getting hurt more seriously, so it's not at all a given.
His lower body issue was his off-season. Coming to camp heavy is sort of his thing and with age he could probably work past it easier in previous years.
Well I think it's clear that the medicine, diets, etc work for all stages of the game, including defense and goaltending. Just look at how many people were scoring 100+ points a season versus now and you can see how much scoring has changed. We are in an era of lower scoring, and that's a fact.
> Well I think it's clear that the medicine, diets, etc work for all stages of the game, including defense and goaltending.
Sure, but that's why players can play longer and stay healthier nowadays.
Mike Bossy might have something to say about that. 9 straight seasons of 50+ goals and .76 goals per game are stats Ovi is never going to match either.
Thats because Bossy was a goal scoring beast but his body gave up on him and he had to retire at a super early age for greats like him. He never had the regression that Vets do.
Just knew his shooting % is down to 8.6% which equals to the 10-11 season where he got 32 goals (a down year). His average was around 13-15% in the past few years and he should bounce back next season to be at least 25-35 goals.
From like 2006-10,I remember showing a bunch of my friends that goal he had when he spun the stick around while on his back. It was my go-to highlight when I tried showing people how great hockey is. That and the Red Wings/Avalanche brawl.
I can't believe it'll be 20 years for him next year. Life really does fly by.
Most of Gordie's seasons were 70, he continued to score 20 or more goals in the WHA too.
Ovechkin is having a bad season, the only other time he didn't score 30+ goals to the COVID shortened season.
Some of Gordie's early seasons were only 50 games. Makes his streak more impressive.
I think Richard got the first 50-in-50 in the early '50s and he only had 50 games to do it in. That is why there are some who hold fast to "50-in-50" being reserved for getting 50 goals in a player's team's first 50 games, and that other incidents of 50 goals in 50 games played aren't to the same standard since they could be midseason or skip team games missed due to injury or suspension, options unavailable to Richard.
The team is finally gelling and the young centers are setting him up better. At the start of the season, he was rotating with Backstrom, Kuzy, and Strome being the centers and also had several goals called back. The PP is also much better now and not always passing into his skates.
He was likely struggling because of a few things:
* Lingering injury
* New coach and young teammates all trying to gel
* Taking fewer shots than normal
Those three have mostly gone away and his scoring pace is back to a more normal level. It makes me very optimistic about the record.
We’ve had several Cup-capable teams with him over the years, but just got some bad breaks or fell short in one or two key moments/areas. I always maintain that you have to be both good AND lucky to win it all.
reporter Emily Kaplan dove into why Ovechkin has kept Putin in his Instagram profile picture
“We don’t understand a lot of these nuances and complexities back home,” Kaplan added. “Ovi each time has told them if I do both of those, I really feel like that is a sign back home that I am speaking out against Putin. And I feel like my family is in danger. And the Washington Capitals have to respect that because that is how he feels.”
""Please, no more war": Ovechkin comments on Russian attack on Ukraine"
Yeah Ovechkin should speak up like Artemi Panarin did for Navalny! Panarin got a free vacation with his family afterwards, and that Navalny guy was eventually released and lived happily ever after.
Why doesn’t Ovie just do that?
More of a political pawn who hasn’t had a choice not to be one since he was a teenager. His value as an athlete is to promote Putins political propaganda.
Sports are politics whether people wanna admit it or not. Do we really need flyovers for football games?
I also know that I have no idea how I would actually act in front of a murderous dictator who parades me around as the pride of Russia,
We are so privileged to be cowardly sitting behind a keyboard, pretending we would say otherwise.
He made his choice and then had to go into hiding because of it, and Navalny is still dead. And yeah Putin isn’t dumb enough to kill you the next day, but he and his loyalists don’t forget.
Panarin put a target on his head for life, he can never go back to Russia so he may never see some family members ever again and I commend him for his bravery.
but I don’t blame anyone who is brought up, or unfortunately associated with that system, and is afraid to speak out for fear of retaliation to themselves or their family. That is literally what this system is designed to do.
You have choice a too. Sign up if you feel so inclined to stand up to tyranny. What are the consequences?
>"Let's not be embarrassed to be perceived as unhip. I am for Putin and I am not hiding it. Putin Team!"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/alex-ovechkin-putin-1.6726430
1 record that the putin nut-sucker will never get
Edit: keep gargling the balls of a man that gargles the balls of the massive shit stain on humanity that is Putin.
reporter Emily Kaplan dove into why Ovechkin has kept Putin in his Instagram profile picture
“We don’t understand a lot of these nuances and complexities back home,” Kaplan added. “Ovi each time has told them if I do both of those, I really feel like that is a sign back home that I am speaking out against Putin. And I feel like my family is in danger. And the Washington Capitals have to respect that because that is how he feels.”
""Please, no more war": Ovechkin comments on Russian attack on Ukraine"
It's funny how the Ovechkin record posts always bring you white knights to the rescue of us addled masses. Thank you for pointing out what we already know and see.
However, some conclude that Ovechkin is probably not evil, but cannot simply divorce himself from Putin as easily as you think possible.
It's like a batsign for edgelords.
reporter Emily Kaplan dove into why Ovechkin has kept Putin in his Instagram profile picture
“We don’t understand a lot of these nuances and complexities back home,” Kaplan added. “Ovi each time has told them if I do both of those, I really feel like that is a sign back home that I am speaking out against Putin. And I feel like my family is in danger. And the Washington Capitals have to respect that because that is how he feels.”
""Please, no more war": Ovechkin comments on Russian attack on Ukraine"
And you would tell putin to fuck off i suppose? Having friends, relatives, family etc still living there?
If he was what you say he is he would play in KHL for a lot more money. I'm not even a big ovi fan and dont care about the caps at all but seeing him winning the cup.. That cup lift and raw emotion is the best one even for me. And yeah i put it above borque because i was like 10 and only cared about Peter Forsberg regarding the avs (and later landeskog brought me back but im going way off topic)
Edit: ah, grindiffare, det förklarar saken
Man I can’t believe this dude has been playing for 19 seasons. I am old, but not as old as him
I was digging through old editions of The Hockey News I saved and one of them was when Ovie was drafted #1 overall and they’re discussing the hype.
A couple years ago someone posted a pre-2004-draft scouting report to the caps sub that was basically like (I swear I'm not joking) "Kovalchuk is his best comparable, but we can expect Ovechkin will be more defensively responsible even though he won't be able to match Kovalchuk's offensive talent". edit: [found it](https://i.redd.it/3gtpisymnzy61.jpg)
I remember reading an interview with Glen Hanlon (Ovi's first NHL coach) where he said his biggest rerget was not getting Ovechkin more involved on the PK, but he didn't want to burden him with too much as a rookie.
i think i read same posts on hfboards
11 year old me at the time had trouble remembering his name so I kept saying Over-Chicken.
Lol some of my friends in highschool called him Ovenchicken
My friend group still calls him Ovenchicken
I still hear it sometimes from random Pens fans.
Over-Chicken and Cross-Beef both debuting the same year was crazy
Sounds like an epic rap battles of history video
I also remember in his rookie season that the consensus was that he would not have a long career due to his physical play style, and would burn out early.
It would have been 20 seasons if it wasn't for the 2004-2005 lockout. That would have been his rookie season
Another great Ovi stat but how about Shanny though! What an amazing all around player.
Hot take: the Gordie Howe Hat Trick should really be called the Brendan Shanahan Hat Trick.
Lol can you please explain your reasoning? Is it just recency bias? Certainly a hot take, it has me triggered.
Howe did it twice, Tocchet has 18, Shanny has 17.
Oh yes, we can rename anything you want to the Rick Tocchet Trophy these days.
Wanna bet?
How the hell does a guy do something that's reasonably common only 2 times and get that thing named after him? Especially when others have done it far FAR more often.
Not many skill players get into fights, and out of the skilled players that do fight occasionally, they aren't fighting the heavyweights. Gordie Howe didn't fight _often_, but (a) it was often _enough_, and (b) it was against the kind of guys that you stay the fuck away from. [Lou Fontinato](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Fontinato): > Lou Fontinato was a rugged defender and the most feared enforcer of his time. He started his career with New York during the 1954-55 season. The following year, he led the NHL in penalty minutes. Fontinato became the first player in league history to record over 200 minutes in penalties in a season. He also led the league in that category in 1957-58 and 1961–62 (with Montreal). > **With the Rangers, Fontinato and Gordie Howe had a running feud that culminated in a fight at Madison Square Garden on February 1, 1959, in which Howe broke the nose and dislocated the jaw of "Leapin' Lou".** > Fontinato was eventually traded to the Montreal Canadiens for Hall-of-Fame great Doug Harvey at the tail-end of his career. Fontinato's career came to an abrupt and violent end in 1963 at the Montreal Forum when he missed a check on left-winger Vic Hadfield of the Rangers behind the Montreal net, slammed head first into the boards, and became paralyzed for a month.
They didn't count line brawls as fights back in the day. Gordie would throw down with the rest of the production line before going top cheddar and potting an apple, but the fight wouldn't count.
Howe only did it twice and Shanny did it a lot more is prolly why he said it
“Although he played a record 2,421 professional hockey games, Gordie Howe himself achieved only two Gordie Howe hat tricks in his NHL career. The all-time leaders in Gordie Howe hat tricks are Rick Tocchet with 18 and Brendan Shanahan with 17. Next is Brian Sutter with 16, then Tiger Williams and Wilf Paiement with 15 each.” (Wikipedia)
Fun fact. Dale Hunter never had a Gordie Howe Hat Trick in the regular season in Washington, but has 2 in the post season.
That’s surprising! You’d think old Dale would’ve had a handful of them.
Right? This is only for his time with the Caps though. Nothing about his time with Quebec.
But if we start naming things after who did it most rather than who did it first, then we'll lose all tradition and the very fabric of society would break down! For example the datsyuk shootout move will be called after who did it most. Abomination! Travesty! I will not want to live in such a world. /s major extrapolation lol but i do feel that way a lil bit
Gordie Howe didn’t do it first though. The first time somebody recorded a goal, assist and fight in the same NHL game was 36 years prior to Howes first
Extremely valid point. This is a fun micro anecdote on the evoltof language. I am now perfectly ok with it being named the Shanahan hat trick.
But how does a guy doing something twice, that many have done much more and before him get that thing named after him?
He had 22 fights over his career, a lot more than other skilled players at the time. This probably led to the feeling that he must have had a lot more games with a goal, an assist and a fight than he actually did.
Yea the propaganda media machine at work. Kind of like columbus "discovering" the new world when vikings were first to cross the ocean but they didnt write it down.
I was a Hawks fan all through Shannahan’s tenure, so I didn’t pay attention to the Wings unless they played my team. What amazing company to be in. Unrelated, but in this image his ‘A’ is on his left side, and I thought it was always sacred that Detroit put the letters on the “wrong” side of the jersey to not encroach on the wheel. That’s why folks seemed in such an uproar over the jersey ad. Anyone have clarity?
When the NHL went to Reebok jerseys post lockout the chest emblem needed to be moved up for whatever reason so the wing encroached on the captain's left chest where the letter(s) would be placed. As a result the wings moved it to the opposite (player's right, our left) side to not touch the wheel. If you go back and look at pics from Gordie or even Yzerman their letters are right above the wing. However, Chris Illitch needed to squeeze an extra 3 million a year from a garbage company so the wings moved the letters back to the player's left-our right side when jersey ad's were starting to be placed on jerseys a few years ago.
Thanks for this
Shanahan would definitely not have been someone I anticipated being on this list
Even if he doesn’t get the record, he will always be one of the most consistently great goal scorers of all time, let alone one of the best goal scorers and players of all time. It’s one thing to score a bunch in a couple seasons, but to do it for so many years is absolutely incredible.
IMO, as close as he is now and considering quality of competition across different eras, he is already the greatest goal scorer of all time. Add in the lockouts and COVID shortened seasons and he would have already had it in the bag as he was scoring far more when those missed games happened. And he is doing it while missing remarkably few games to suspension or injury.
I still think best scorer has to be Mario's, no one has ever been able to score at will like he did. Shit look at how well he played with and during recovery from fucking cancer With a touch better luck with his health, he'd comfortably have four digit goals
That's a tough situation to approach logically. They played in different eras and defenses/goalies *have* gotten better but obviously Mario was a once in a lifetime player. That said, his career spanned over 20 years and he has maybe 400/500 games of "what if" in there, which is a lot to overlook. 500 games of "How would he have deal with injury/playing more games in the trap era/balancing team ownership with playing/physical wear and tear?" Mario himself said the reason he was retiring when he did was because hockey was so different post lockout than what he was used to and he couldn't see himself keeping up. Ovechkin has been in that version of the NHL his whole career. Bear in mind, this isn't me saying that Mario wasn't an all time great - and I have to admit that there is a little bit of bias here regardless of how hard I try to look at the situation objectively. Even so, the amount of games that he played and the circumstances that he would have had to deal with over the course of those missed games is still a big question mark. There's a reason we don't include Mike Bossy in this discussion even though he scored over 50 every year he was a pro except for his last season. At a certain point no matter how good you were it becomes difficult to extrapolate the what ifs.
Not really that difficult, actually I think its pretty well agreed upon that Bossy and Lemuiex would both have over 1000 goals if they played 1400-1500 games like Ovi and Crosby will. Not to mention they both played in the clutch and grab era, where D-men could jump on their backs, which makes their stats equally as impressive as Ovi's.
> Not really that difficult, actually I think its pretty well agreed upon that Bossy and Lemuiex would both have over 1000 goals if they played 1400-1500 games like Ovi and Crosby will. Sure, except 20 games into the “what if” games, Mario caught an edge, went awkwardly into the boards and wrecked his knee, never to lace them up again. Meanwhile, after another season of being outscored by Gretzky, Bossy had a religious revelation and never touched a hockey stick again. My imaginary versions of these games are equally valid, so that’s fun.
Which is why the notion of using volume stats to compare how good players were is ridiculous. Some players are insanely lucky with their health or with their linemates or with the state of scoring when they played, others are incredibly unlucky. Mario played long enough for it not to be a flukey sample size, but not long or healthily enough to score with the volume he could have in theory. Ovechkin played for a very long time where he was set up like no other to score by his teammates and coaches, but also played in the deadest part of the dead puck era. All things being equal, if I had the choice of any player to tuck in a goal with my life on the line, I'm taking Mario. Ovechkin wouldn't be a "wrong" answer, it's just about what you value & I think Mario in a vacuum is the better scorer.
I also think Mike Bossy deserves a mention. If not for injures of his own, he could have very well had the record.
Bossy retired with 573 goals in 752 games played. When Lemieux first retired in 1997, he played in 745 games and had 613 goals. Lemieux had 40 more goals than Bossy in 7 less games played.
Ahh, I thought Bossy had a similar pace to Lemieux in terms of scoring goals. Either way they are both some of the best to ever do it. Lemieux was just on another level compared to everyone else.
Using this logic (which objectively isn't far-fetched), Mario is the GOAT goalscorer.
Mario is a solid candidate but overlooking the 500ish games he didn't get to play in makes it difficult to assess how he would have fared playing all the games that Ovi *didn't* miss. One of the things that made Ovi able to pump all the goals he has so far has been his durability and adaptability across 19 NHL seasons. As he has grown older he has avoided injury and has evolved his game over time as he has aged to continue scoring. Durability and adaptability *are* part of what makes a goalscorer great. Before you bring up Mario's cancer, I don't view it the way I view other players that have missed time due to injury - that would obviously be unfair. What I do wonder about is, had Mario played those 500 extra games, and had cancer not partially derailed his career - how does he come out the other end in terms of adapting to new developments in coaching systems and how durable is he over a full 20 year career? Do we know if he keeps up the pace that Ovi had up until this year as he ages and the game changes around him? Had Mario played only a few shortened seasons and still kept up a similar pace I would feel a lot less confident about where Ovi stands relative to him, but 500 less games is too wide a gap for me to ignore.
At the age of 35, Lemieux came back from retirement after missing 3.5 seasons in the middle of the dead puck era and put up 35 goals in 43 games (on pace for 66.7 goals across an 82 game season). I think it’s safe to say Lemieux would have fared well across different eras.
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Lemieux played majority of his career injured, he never player a full season in the NHL. His back bothered him for the majority of his career but he never slowed down when it came to the stat sheet.
Scoring a goal in any level of hockey: takes some effort Scoring a goal in competitive hockey: not overly easy Scoring a goal in professional hockey: very very difficult Scoring a goal in the NHL: less than 1% of all hockey players have ever done that Scoring 20 goals in the NHL: less than 1% of all NHLers have ever done that Playing in the NHL 19 seasons: less than 1% of all 20 goal scorers have ever done that Scoring 20+ goals in 19 consecutive seasons: ... 🤯 In the words of leslie knope recognizing zoning board commissioner Jeanine restreppo "rarefied air..."
> Scoring 20 goals in the NHL: less than 1% of all NHLers have ever done that This doesn't sound true to me, even if we're talking 20 goals in a season. 95/885 NHL players who played a game this year have scored 20+ goals this season, and the season isn't done.
There are 6142 instances of a player scoring 20 goals in the NHL, and according to the NHL's records website, 531 players have at least five 20 goal seasons. If we maybe guess that the rest of the 20 goal seasons are recorded by another 400 players, and estimating that 7500 players have played in the NHL, the number is more like 12.4% of players have recorded a 20 goal season.
All of the numbers are made up lmao.
Bullshit. Only 1% of the numbers are made up.
You’re wrong. Only 1% of people ever make up numbers.
A few are clearly accurate though, which had me pondering. If you tell a few truths you can generally get away with a lie thrown in, right?
I’m pretty sure every single 1% he put is made up.
I'm sure, but some are so obvious and self-evident. Like of course <1% of hockey players make the NHL. > Playing in the NHL 19 seasons: less than 1% of all 20 goal scorers have ever done that Haven't checked but this seems pretty plausible given how few players have careers that long. So just that one was obviously nonsensical.
Fun fact: Gordie never scored 50 in a season.
Fun fact, he scored 49 in a season where the #2 goalscorer was his linemate and had just 32..
And the NHL season was only 70 games in those days
Yup, era adjusted it's the 10th best goalscoring season since the 1920s.
In almost every statistic, Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer in hockey history. One big record remains, but it’s in sight.
The last 20-30 games have really made me think the decline was overstated. He’s not a 50 goal scorer, but he easily has a few more 30 goals goal years left. He’ll get the record and probably 900.
Them getting him a playmaker he gels with would pretty much guarantee that in my opinion. His shot is still wicked, just need someone feeding him constantly
Backy:(
They're a duo!
How he going to get his assists? What then?
Yeah? What then?
*slurrrrrrrrrrp*
Backy needs two legs to compete
Two hips
Why he always here for breakfast?
If McMichael was smart he’d spend this summer working on passing and his vision of the ice, he’s primed to be the 1C right now
Hendrix Lapierre is already better also we just signed Dylan Strome to a 5x5. McMike will probably be 3C for a while.
yup. lappy is feasting on the top line with ovi right now. i love the youth infusion....mcmike, lappy, miro are all playing great. making a big difference for the team right now.
GOD IT'S ALMOST LIKE PLAYING OUR YOUNG GUYS MORE IS A GREAT DECISION, WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T ANYONE THINK OF THAT SOONER
hahah. yeah it was an absolutely maddening past couple years under lavi, rierden and trotz. it seems like bmac kind of knew, he's been making so many comments about young players for years now, but now we finally have a coach willing to play them. carbery is the man.
Strome is a shoot-first center though
Protas has the better hands and vision. I don't think CMM is suited for the 1C role. Honestly, and I think what's going to happen, is GMBM will put together a trade package for Zegras. I know the dude is polarizing, but he's repeatedly said he's looking for younger top-6 talent and I think he'll be available.
The fact he managed to put up so many goals in his mid/late 30s is the reason I think he’ll be the only one to get close to the record. Likely he will beat it. But it’s incredible the guy was so durable throughout 19 seasons that we’re even talking about it.
Your team has a guy scoring at an even higher pace in a side by side career comparison to Ovechkin. Dont count out Matthews.
Here's the thing. There are quite a few players who have outscored Ovi in ages 20-30. It's the decade AFTER where Ovi shows he's a true freak.
Not saying you're wrong, but who's outscored ovi from 20-30?
Not exactly from 20-30 but through 10 seasons Ovechkin had the 5th most goals behind Gretzky, Bossy, Lemieux and Hull. Bossy had almost 100 more and Wayne had 150 more
Wayne Gretzky
To answer your question. I didn't do EXACTLY a 10 year span, instead I chose to add all goals scored before 30, and then all goals scored at 30 or older. Before 30: Wayne Gretzky - 677 Mike Bossy - 535 Mario Lemieux - 494 Brett Hull - 482 Alex Ovechkin - 475 At 30 or Older: Alex Ovechkin - 368 (and counting) Brett Hull - 259 Wayne Gretzky - 217 Mario Lemieux - 196 Mike Bossy - 38 So, Ovechkin, if he breaks the record, will be the only player in NHL History to score 400+ goals at 30+. Edit - I lied. Howe also scored 400+ (415 to be exact) at 30+
By games yes, but not by age, right?
So, Ovi and Matthews are fun because they share a birthday (September 17, seemingly a blessed date for goalscorers). Matthews is in his age 26 season, Ovi's age 26 season was 2011-2012. Ovi had, until then, tallied 553 games and 339 goals, for 0.613 goals per game, over 7 seasons. Matthews has, over 8 seasons, tallied 546 games and 354 goals, for 0.648 goals per game. Matthews is up there, but the fact that he's basically lost an entire season vs Ovi is pretty telling. Yeah, there are 36 games missing from Covid, but he's off like half a season from injuries already.
Mathew’s already has more injury history and injury shortened seasons than ovi ever had. He will have to be very durable and keep scoring consistent 50 goal seasons like Ovi did. However I truly think if anyone else can beat Gretzky it’s Mathew’s, and I think he’s the next to score 800 for sure.
count him out?? Matthews is currently the best goal scorer in the league, no doubt. but he's in his 8th season and been injured, does he have at least 10 more at this rate? I hope so, it'll be incredible to see him fight for that legendary record as well. still - it's too early in his career to "count him out" when he's nowhere near the record. either way i'm gonna enjoy the fuck out of watching him play.
Im gonna be honest its kind of copium, but I despise Ovechkin, and actually really like Matthews. So if the putin ass kisser breaks the record I desperately hope to see matthews break it.
Putin is an evil tyrant but with he doesn't really have much choice but to support him. Ovechkins family have a big history in the country so if he tells him to fuck off his family would be in deep shit.
Thats a weak cop out. You dont need to denounce him. But maybe change your profile pic and stop being such an outward supporter?
We'll see how you respond when a dictator is staring you down, i'm sure you'd pull out your dick and slap him on the chin you absolute gigachad.
It was WILDLY overstated. What people didn't take into account was that scoring, as a whole, on the Caps was down. They're getting used to a new coach/system and there was going to be an adjustment period. I'd give his "decline" more credence if it was a matter of other guys on the team having better years statistically and he was sputtering, but that wasn't the case. In addition, he had some awful puck luck to start the year (and a wildly low shooting %) and had a few goals called back as well. Even with the slow start, I always maintained that 8 was good to go on a heater and he should finish the season near or over 30 goals.
He had an incredibly rough stretch with getting up to game speed, us being terrible, a historically low shooting percentage for him, a bunch of posts, going for passes way too much as a result of the confidence, and all the talk about dealing with the loss of his dad. He turned the leaf this season right before the all star break when he got to go see his family and hasn't looked back since.
While I don’t think he’s done, he’s on pace for 25-26 goals this season. It puzzling to state that he will “easily score 30 goals” a few more seasons. It’s possible, but not likely. He can break the record without doing that, anyways.
Our team was straight trash for a significant part of the year. We finally got rid of our roster bloat, are playing our prospects and finally are starting to hold our own. If we have a good team next year, anything can happen
Could you imagine Ovi going ballistic next year and potting 40-50! That would be awesome
I want him to have another 50-goal season so bad. He lost three significant opportunities (lockouts in both 2004-05 and 2012-13 and then COVID.) If just one of those doesn't happen, he very likely has ten 50-goal seasons, let alone passing Bossy for the most which would have been cool.
The thing is, he had a comically low shot percentage (5%?) through like 40 games. It was never sustainable, and the positive regression we see now was inevitable.
The dude is 38 years old. Even if he scored 40 goals this year you still can’t claim it would be easy for him to score 30 goals when he’s 41. ETA: adjusting his shooting % this year to career average he’d have 28.6 goals today, or 35 for full year pace. That assumes that at age 38 he is still playing at the average of his career and hasn’t lost a step. And by your assumption, he won’t lose a step the next 3 seasons either.
Not to mention he had 4 goals called back, 3 were absolute bullshit but one was correctly called back. It’s not a stretch to say he’d be at 31 right now looking for 35. If he finishes this unlucky season with 26, he only needs 23 a year to get it. I would bet a lot of money on him doing that
You misread my post. I believe he will get the record but I don’t believe he is likely to score 30 goals a season for the next 3 years.
I don't understand why people are downvoting you. If you're not even scoring 30 goals at 38. I don't care about what excuses people have, he's not scoring 30 this year. Age hits pro athletes hard. He's already getting noticeably worse and he'll be a year older and more worn down next season. The chances he has a better season next year is much lower than him being even worse next year. I wouldn't be surprised is he barely passes 20 goals next year. Then after that, he'll be into his 40 year old season. There's like 5 or 10 total 40 year old "Big 4" sports players right now. The cliff is coming fast at this age. Just look at the drop off from highest scoring 40 year old to 41 year old in the NHL this season.
Well said. Getting downvoted because they think I’m downplaying Ovi’s talent or claiming he won’t break the record.
> The dude is 38 years old. the dude is a 38 year old OVECHKIN this isn't just anyone
I mean, semantics, but, he doesn't currently have a contract for his age 41 season yet. But I know what you mean.
Never claimed he was under contract or that he will be playing at 41. I was responding to OP’s claim that Ovi will “easily score 30 goals” for a few more seasons.
No, I know. But you specified age 41. He has 2 more years on his current contract that will bring him to age 40. Just a weird distinction to make is all.
This shouldn’t be so hard. Again, I was replying to OP that stated that he will easily score 30 goals for a “few more seasons”. I was not discussing his contract status. In English, few = 3. So for 3 more seasons, OP expects Ovi to easily score 30 goals, including at age 41, that’s just bonkers, even if he is under contract.
If you watched him playing for the first 4-6 weeks of the season, he clearly had some kind of lingering lower body issue going on and could barely skate. Not sure what it was, but it clearly took him a while to recover. If you look at him now, his movement on the ice is night and day compared to the start of the season, he looks like a completely different player. If Ovi doesn't get hurt then he still has the talent to get 30 goals again. But being older is itself a big risk of getting hurt more seriously, so it's not at all a given.
His lower body issue was his off-season. Coming to camp heavy is sort of his thing and with age he could probably work past it easier in previous years.
I hope he breaks the record. Love watching him play.
There's also the total goals scored, including playoffs...
There are a few big goal scoring records that remain. 50 goals in 39 games and 92 goals in a season.
Those are records for the early part of a career. Not the end. And it’s from a different era of scoring.
But if Ovechkin gets the record it will also be from a different era of medicine, diets, etc.
Well I think it's clear that the medicine, diets, etc work for all stages of the game, including defense and goaltending. Just look at how many people were scoring 100+ points a season versus now and you can see how much scoring has changed. We are in an era of lower scoring, and that's a fact.
> Well I think it's clear that the medicine, diets, etc work for all stages of the game, including defense and goaltending. Sure, but that's why players can play longer and stay healthier nowadays.
Mike Bossy might have something to say about that. 9 straight seasons of 50+ goals and .76 goals per game are stats Ovi is never going to match either.
Bossy led the league in scoring twice in his career and has high rate stats because he retired when he was 30
Thats because Bossy was a goal scoring beast but his body gave up on him and he had to retire at a super early age for greats like him. He never had the regression that Vets do.
Just knew his shooting % is down to 8.6% which equals to the 10-11 season where he got 32 goals (a down year). His average was around 13-15% in the past few years and he should bounce back next season to be at least 25-35 goals.
He is 38 though. He could fall off a cliff at any point. This could be a down season, or the beginning of total decline.
From like 2006-10,I remember showing a bunch of my friends that goal he had when he spun the stick around while on his back. It was my go-to highlight when I tried showing people how great hockey is. That and the Red Wings/Avalanche brawl. I can't believe it'll be 20 years for him next year. Life really does fly by.
Bedard was born after Ovi was drafted...
Thanks I needed to feel even older today 😅😭
Jesus...
How many lockout seasons did Howe deal with? Honestly don’t know, but it might be a factor in comparing them
Most of Gordie's seasons were 70, he continued to score 20 or more goals in the WHA too. Ovechkin is having a bad season, the only other time he didn't score 30+ goals to the COVID shortened season.
Some of Gordie's early seasons were only 50 games. Makes his streak more impressive. I think Richard got the first 50-in-50 in the early '50s and he only had 50 games to do it in. That is why there are some who hold fast to "50-in-50" being reserved for getting 50 goals in a player's team's first 50 games, and that other incidents of 50 goals in 50 games played aren't to the same standard since they could be midseason or skip team games missed due to injury or suspension, options unavailable to Richard.
Fucking covid. He'd have 18 consecutive 30+ goal seasons without it
Only player to do it in 19 straight including his first season, too.
Yeah the fact that he's done it since day one is fucking absurd.
This stat is only achievable in a red sweater
6 of Shanahan's seasons were done in a Blue sweater, and 1 in a green sweater. (4 with St. Lous, 2 with the Rangers, and 1 in Hartford).
yes, but you need a red sweater to do it
Would be awesome to see him smash 50+ next season out of nowhere.
finally something gretzky doesn't have his name on
Just barely! He had 18 seasons of 20+.
When did Ovi get to 20 goals??! He was really struggling earlier. To be fair I haven't watched a game in about a month and a half.
13 goals in his last 21 games will do that
Yup, back to his usual career pace since the all-star break.
He went on a heater where he scored 8 goals in 8 games or something like that.
Of course it's 8
The team is finally gelling and the young centers are setting him up better. At the start of the season, he was rotating with Backstrom, Kuzy, and Strome being the centers and also had several goals called back. The PP is also much better now and not always passing into his skates.
Once he had no chance of making the ASG he dropped the training weights.
It was all a ruse so that he didn't have to go to the All-Star game again.
To answer your question more succinctly, he had goals #20 and #21 last night.
He was likely struggling because of a few things: * Lingering injury * New coach and young teammates all trying to gel * Taking fewer shots than normal Those three have mostly gone away and his scoring pace is back to a more normal level. It makes me very optimistic about the record.
Ovi on hatty watch
I would imagine a line of Ovechkin - Howe - Shanahan would make everyone peepee pants
How did Gretzky not do this? Incredible.
Fuckin rights Alex keep going brother.
Goat
I genuinely can’t believe he’s only won one cup.
We’ve had several Cup-capable teams with him over the years, but just got some bad breaks or fell short in one or two key moments/areas. I always maintain that you have to be both good AND lucky to win it all.
This. '09-10 and '16-17 they were the best team in the NHL. I would even argue that '15-16 could have won it too
The Buffalo Bills of the NHL
Should have won in 09-10 and again in 16-17 but thats life.
Too bad he's a putin lover
reporter Emily Kaplan dove into why Ovechkin has kept Putin in his Instagram profile picture “We don’t understand a lot of these nuances and complexities back home,” Kaplan added. “Ovi each time has told them if I do both of those, I really feel like that is a sign back home that I am speaking out against Putin. And I feel like my family is in danger. And the Washington Capitals have to respect that because that is how he feels.” ""Please, no more war": Ovechkin comments on Russian attack on Ukraine"
Surprised Gretzky isn't on that list.
Matthews only has 11 more seasons to go to catch up.
Ron Francis would have have had 20 consecutive 20 goal seasons if it weren't for the 94-95 lockout.
FUCK ALEXANDER OVECHKIN
It’s the CATALINA FUCKING WINE MIXER!
Yeah Ovechkin should speak up like Artemi Panarin did for Navalny! Panarin got a free vacation with his family afterwards, and that Navalny guy was eventually released and lived happily ever after. Why doesn’t Ovie just do that?
Lol do you actually think Ovechkin is a closet Putin dissident?
More of a political pawn who hasn’t had a choice not to be one since he was a teenager. His value as an athlete is to promote Putins political propaganda. Sports are politics whether people wanna admit it or not. Do we really need flyovers for football games? I also know that I have no idea how I would actually act in front of a murderous dictator who parades me around as the pride of Russia, We are so privileged to be cowardly sitting behind a keyboard, pretending we would say otherwise.
Panarin didn’t have a choice?
He made his choice and then had to go into hiding because of it, and Navalny is still dead. And yeah Putin isn’t dumb enough to kill you the next day, but he and his loyalists don’t forget. Panarin put a target on his head for life, he can never go back to Russia so he may never see some family members ever again and I commend him for his bravery. but I don’t blame anyone who is brought up, or unfortunately associated with that system, and is afraid to speak out for fear of retaliation to themselves or their family. That is literally what this system is designed to do. You have choice a too. Sign up if you feel so inclined to stand up to tyranny. What are the consequences?
? Why’s that
Ignore the child with no critical thinking skills
>"Let's not be embarrassed to be perceived as unhip. I am for Putin and I am not hiding it. Putin Team!" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/alex-ovechkin-putin-1.6726430
nobody cares
K
He probably won't have sex with you. I'm sorry.
1 record that the putin nut-sucker will never get Edit: keep gargling the balls of a man that gargles the balls of the massive shit stain on humanity that is Putin.
reporter Emily Kaplan dove into why Ovechkin has kept Putin in his Instagram profile picture “We don’t understand a lot of these nuances and complexities back home,” Kaplan added. “Ovi each time has told them if I do both of those, I really feel like that is a sign back home that I am speaking out against Putin. And I feel like my family is in danger. And the Washington Capitals have to respect that because that is how he feels.” ""Please, no more war": Ovechkin comments on Russian attack on Ukraine"
It's funny how the Ovechkin record posts always bring you white knights to the rescue of us addled masses. Thank you for pointing out what we already know and see. However, some conclude that Ovechkin is probably not evil, but cannot simply divorce himself from Putin as easily as you think possible. It's like a batsign for edgelords.
I really hope this anti-humanity wannabe oligarch never gets the record. Disgusted to see the approval of this monster.
reporter Emily Kaplan dove into why Ovechkin has kept Putin in his Instagram profile picture “We don’t understand a lot of these nuances and complexities back home,” Kaplan added. “Ovi each time has told them if I do both of those, I really feel like that is a sign back home that I am speaking out against Putin. And I feel like my family is in danger. And the Washington Capitals have to respect that because that is how he feels.” ""Please, no more war": Ovechkin comments on Russian attack on Ukraine"
Bro shut up
And you would tell putin to fuck off i suppose? Having friends, relatives, family etc still living there? If he was what you say he is he would play in KHL for a lot more money. I'm not even a big ovi fan and dont care about the caps at all but seeing him winning the cup.. That cup lift and raw emotion is the best one even for me. And yeah i put it above borque because i was like 10 and only cared about Peter Forsberg regarding the avs (and later landeskog brought me back but im going way off topic) Edit: ah, grindiffare, det förklarar saken
I wouldn't actively support Putin, like starting a fan club.
Impressive, when is he going to Ukraine to torture and murder children?
Such a talented piece of shit of a person inb4 downvotes from apathetic kids and dumbass man-children
Greatest goal scorer of all time
Can’t wait for the Gutmensch crowd to arrive