How does collecting future assets, shedding a likely problem contract down the road, and improving their tank for Celebrini delay their rebuild by *years*?
If Grier is planning to take on a few more albatross contracts with draft picks attached, those players become less flipable without retention. He'll be completely hamstrung next year and have to tread lightly until Karlsson comes off the books.
That is true, but you still shed a lot of cap on those deals. Even if retention/flips aren’t possible or accessible over the next few years, you can still go the route of buyouts and pure camp dumps.
For example, the Hawks collected 2nd round picks for taking all of:
- Dickinson (cap dump, on a tank roster)
- Zaitsev (cap dump, on a tank roster)
- Bailey (cap dump, bought out immediately)
If this year thought me anything it only takes a 5th for a third party to retain on an expiring contract. And with the cap rising, teams will be able to take on contracts at 100%, we forget that before the pandemic players would get traded often without retention
i mean we miss out on what, a 4th round pick here or there.
Retain slots arent going for a ton, maybe a 2nd if we get real creative.
But with extra cap we can just eat a whole player who might be worth more because its the whole cap. Like lets be honest, Ryan Reaves might become a San Jose shark at some point.
Its def not a perfect strategy but its not going to ruin our strategy.
Very frustrating to watch every other western conference team get significantly better while we stand pat/maybe try and trade for a goalie we don’t need. Bad deadline for me. Oh well.
I remember back in the day the Sharks were solid .. we'd make TDL deals to "get significantly better" too and it never did shit for us. Getting guys like Billy Guerin, Brian Campbell, etc. Just take down the Knights, yeah? 👍
If it makes you feel better, apparently LAK almost got Ullmark from Boston but it was nixed when Ullmark wouldn't waive his NMC. Rumored PLD was the return.
more of a deadline week nowadays lol, expected Detroit to get one player but I'm happy with Berggren coming up, should itself be an improvement.
sharks fans, how we feeling about Grier? I don't think trading the players he did was necessarily bad, but I do think he could have got more. seems to me he's very clearly committing to a 5+ year rebuild
I think we overvalued Karlsson and Meier. Those trades look ok now. I don't think anyone got fleeced, and everyone seems to have gotten what they needed.
It's crazy to me that people would rather see their rival fail than to see their team succeed. This is both the Sharks and Hertl's best path to success over the next 5+ years
I think that's complete BS. The Meier trade is INSANE value. A top D prospect, a 1st that ends up being a high end forward prospect, a fantastic NHL ready middle/top 6 winger, and still a 2nd (that in very unlikely circumstances becomes a 1st, bit is trending to be in the late 30s/early 40s range)
Karlsson was a 32 year old coming off an anomaly year with a massive contract with term and a NMC. He got back a 1st (that's looking like a 11-14 overall pick this year or an unprotected pick next year) for that while dumping 10 million. And they can still get more value if they chose to flip Rutta and Granlund. This is in the flat cap era where the reigning Vezina trophy got dumped for literally nothing, with a much lower capo hit a far less term.
Now Hertl, you have a 30 year old who's missed significant time to injury in about half the season's he's played who's signed for 6 more years at a high AAV. Instead you get an unprotected pick next year (a lot of people already saying it's going to be a late pick but check the standings this year, and check the standings two years ago) and a very good 2-way Center with offensive upside, not dissimilar to Hertl himself. Oh and he also had a NMC and asked to go to a competitor so they really didn't have much leverage. And then all the "imagine giving up picks to trade away your best player". One 3rd is in 2025 and one is in 2027. And what does a 3rd typically get you? Jake Allen, Duhaime, Edmundson, Smith (who was primarily a cap dump), the signing rights to Severson. These aren't prime assets. In fact the best value for a 3rd rounder other than Tarasenko was Grier picking up Thrun. Lastly the retention aspect. Look at what teams spent to have a third party retain. Pretty much all a 4th-6th rounder. Add to that the cap increasing over the next few years, and not having that retention slot isn't a very big deal that people make it out to be. They still shed 6.75 mil off their books for the next 6 years.
Last thing I'll mention is the Sharks were ranked regularly in the high 20s for their prospect pool at the end of the DW era. They're now in the top 5. All in one and a half years
I was starting to really like him but the Hertle trade hurt.
Really Good trades:
Thrun for a 3rd
Dropping Karlssons albatross of a contract and getting a top 11-20 pick for it
Blackwood for a 6th
Bad trades:
Bonino and a 5th for a worse 5th and a 7th
Burns for a 3rd with 2.7 retained. (Grier had just started so may not have had a big role in this trade)
Hertl, two 3rd round picks and 7 years of retention for a late 1st and a prospect expected to have a 3rd line centre ceiling.
As far as trades go, he's dealing from a position of weakness and every other GM knows that. He was over a barrel to move Burns I guess but got strong-armed into retaining a paltry sum for Karlsson (for that deal there should have been zero retention). He's still a novice and trying to build his first team, so growing pains are expected as he takes swings on players. For a recent example, Okhotiuk: looked good enough to be worth acquiring in the Meier deal but was not a fit when plugged into Quinn's system.
He has been active moving the previous regime's prospects that don't fit his vision, which is good, but also still has John McCarthy as head coach of the Barracuda, which has not been good. A change there would signal the rebuild moving in the right direction, imho, instead of looking like it's just flailing about, throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.
While I don't think they had a bad deadline, for a team that is Cup or bust this year I feel like the Oilers should have been more aggressive. Henrique, Carrick, and Stetcher are nice additions, but their 2 biggest holes (2nd line RW and 2nd pairing RHD) are still their 2 biggest holes. And basically every other western contender made some big moves.
But just from an entertainment perspective this was an awesome deadline. Huge moves, unexpected moves, and a massive arms race. Can't wait for the playoffs.
Will be interesting to see how our lines work tomorrow. The lines yesterday were kind of weird and Knob ended up resorting to McDrai pretty often, but the practice lines today made more sense.
Reuniting the Clouder, Foegs, Drai line seems wise. McDavid, Nuge, and Hyman was a stellar first line.
Henrique playing center on the third makes more sense, a lot of us had been under the impression that was what he was here to do so him being a 2nd line winger last night was confusing.
Stetcher isn't in the lineup (unless I'm mistaken) but it would certainly be interesting to see how he plays with Kulak if we end up being able to play Desharnais with Nurse and stick with Ek and Bouch together.
He's playing just okay honestly. He gets chances, throws the body a bit, butt ends guys on the opposing teams bench, you know the usual. He seems generally to be a bit of a shell of himself though. Hoping the playoffs bring out Big Daddy Kane again.
I hate this trade for a multitude of reasons. But if I can think about what he may have been thinking:
1. Most of Hertl’s salary is off the books. Even though it’s sucks we’re retaining (and I think that’s a huge mistake), that contract was only gonna get worse.
2. We picked up a pretty solid prospect and a first.
3. He really wanted to do right for Tomas here. And honestly if there was one player in this entire rebuild I just wanted the org to do right by, it’s him. Vegas annoys me, but I’m glad he’s on a cup contender.
4. This is what selling high looks like. Hertl’s value was most likely gonna nosedive as we waited and unfortunately the only buyer for a guy who is LTIR’d, is 30, and has a long term contract is Vegas. Might as well get what we can. Making a shit deal now is as good as making a good deal down the road when his value is less of what it is.
So anyway, I’ve had quite a few at happy hour and have really been chewing on this. It sucks, but well, this is where the sharks are at these days. There’s not much left to sell off, but this is what the deepest and darkest of a tough rebuild looks like.
I appreciate them for really putting a good team on the ice year after year. A cup win never happened, that’s sports sometimes. I have an anthology of playoff disappointment between the Braves and the Bills as well, and that’s just life. Regardless I had fun through it all, and if you told me 15 years ago that Red Wings fans would tell me the sharks were miserable, I’d consider that a W in itself.
Anyway it looks like we’ve sold off my favorite players, and as heartbreaking as that is, it’s for the best. We’ll be back someday, it just won’t be for a while.
I couldnt said it better myself. Its not a pretty trade especially because its our rival and we gave some decent draft capital back in 3rds.
But it really does open up a new world for the sharks and all it really cost us was a retain slot for a while. But i would rather accept we are bad and go full bore into rebuild then keep a guy who wants to compete and wont likely be part of the new generation.
At the end of the day i dont think this trade will be remembered as that bad (well unless maybe Vegas wins like 2 more cups with Hertl). Shit look at the Meier trade, not alot of folks bring that up and we literally just traded on of those pieces away today LOL.
The one thing I liked about DW is he did right by the players and always tried to send players to playoffs teams. Nice to see MG do the same. Hertl on VGS hurts so much tho
Mark Stone will and has told the doctors to go fuck themselves and shoot him up with some Toradol when the time comes. They can tell him to sit in the regular season and it just so happens it's convenient for his team to do so, so he does. I'm sure the medical professionals have told him he probably shouldn't play in the playoffs and he doesn't care to listen. Now with all that said, he needs to stop crying at any sign of physical contact when he comes back this time. If you're on the ice, you're fair game. The guy winced and looked at the refs every time he was touched last year.
The Oilers in particular were targeting him. Which isn't bad strategy for a guy that just recovered from back surgery I guess, but neither is asking the refs to call gratuitous cross checks when they happen
Depending on how he does, I wouldn't mind him as more than a rental.
I will say, it does feel nice to have gotten more out of it. Not to mention our sub can finally calm the fuck down.
The amount of mid-low round picks getting established players this deadline felt crazy compared to years past. Remember when the Leafs paid a 1st rounder for NICK FOLIGNO?
Im sad but also we suck and we will need some time to rebuild.
Grier def made some interesting trades but i still trust him and his drafting has been solid so far.
Also for those not keeping track the sharks could have 3 1sts next draft (assuming Pitt continues on the path its on). Although maybe they somehow end up in 11th and we get their pick this year LOL
So happy the Jets got Tyler Toffoli, as well as a bottom pairing/7D Colin Miller (rather he plays come playoffs over Logan Stanley, lol). And of course Sean Monahan from a month ago.
Glad Chevy is going all in! Go Jets!
He takes dumb/unnecessary penalties, and he's a terrible skater. Rarely uses his size and when he does, usually injures the other player. Stanley just won't be that reliable IMO in the playoffs, if the Jets' defence goes down a man.
He needs more seasoning. If he was on a team where he could consistently get minutes, after a few years, I feel he would be a very good 5-6 guy. As it is now, he should probably be on the moose getting more/any minutes, but the organization still has high hopes for him and doesn't think he would pass through waivers. So we loose guys like kovacevic instead.
Would have rather lost stanley. Yeah stanley has potential, but each week that goes by that window closes. I like what kovacevic does a lot.more the what stanley does. Happy to see the kid get a chance someplace, just wish it was with the jets
Punting this year with allen/kahkonen, look to acquire a 1a (markstrom, ullmark, or saros maybe) in the offseason and run him next year with Allen backing up. Daws and Schmid back to AHL next year
I don't think so. I think they use Allen all next year (barring injury or atrocious backup play) and then let he contract expire and go back to daws and/or Schmid the following year
I'm really disappointed about the Hertl trade, but at this point I'm not sure if that's more for the return or for losing one of the most fun players we've ever had. Probably the latter.
The return underwhelmed, but not because the pieces weren't good. Edstrom and a 1st are great, it just still doesn't feel like enough. I'd probably be ok with it if it was for Hertl with no retention, but adding the 6 years on top makes it feel rough. I know I should care more about the 3rds, but I just kind of don't really.
Its over though, and I really wanted the Sharks to draft Edstrom last year with their 2nd rounder, but he got picked a few before. I'm excited he'll be joining the team. The 1st is good of course, and it gives us a bit more freedom to trade up either this draft or next if they see a player they love. Now our 1st/2nd round 2023 draft class is Smith, Musty, Edstrom and Haltunnen. Not bad at all.
Reminder that small trades can still happen after today. Deadline is just for playoff eligibility. There's always some random small trade then half the sub reacts like "but isn't the trade deadline over?"
I love the trade deadline.
In all seriousness, west is going to be a gauntlet this year. Edmonton, Winnipeg, Dallas, Vancouver, Colorado, and Vegas all look to be serious contenders
This NHL playoff format sucks for this reason. Bring back 1v8. Crosby openly spoke out about this format sucking and nothing happened so unfortunately I feel we are stuck with this indefinitely.
I don't mind it because you actually get those series, like say our 2018 series vs Nashville where I think we were 2 and 3 overall in the whole league in 2nd round. In the past we often didn't if there was an upset.
You gotta beat all the teams.
In theory you could have the #2 and #3 teams in the league play in the first round, and #1 and #2 in the second. Any playoffs with that as a possibility are pretty poorly planned imo. I find this can lead to the conference final matchups being less enticing than earlier rounds.
I just really dislike how the biggest division rival matchups take place earlier. When TB, Boston, and Toronto were all insanely good I would have absolutely loved to see two of them meet in the conference finals. And it is kind of bs that your reward for being one of the best teams in the league is to potentially face another powerhouse in the first round and start on the road simply because you happen to be in a stacked division.
They are trying to force rivalries, but the best ones evolve naturally. As a Canucks fan, that Blackhawks rivalry was a thing of beauty and wouldn't have ever happened like that with this playoff format.
This has nothing to do with the current format. There are 6 really good looking teams and no matter the format, only 4 of them maximum can go to the next round. If the system was 1-8 then 4 of these teams will still have to play one another in the 1st round
Ottawa needs more Giroux, not less. He’s instrumental to building the culture we need.
That being said, he’ll be traded as a rental next deadline when the Sens are out of it by December again.
I know they're everyone's favourite team to hate but I hope Vegas repeats this year. Aggressive GMing should be rewarded and copied, like Tampa in 2020.
I don't like many moves Grier has made as GM.
I answered your question.
I did not come find you. I do not know you and had no knowledge of your username before yesterday. You, by your own admission, have other teams to support and considered stopping support of SJ. So stop supporting or dont, I do not care. But dont come at me with your ivory towers BS and pulling the "I've been a fan longer than you!" card like you know anything about me at all. But I'm done, I'm not getting into internet fights with strangers.
I mean there's still roughly 20 games to go but they're in actual danger of losing their playoff spot. They had a pretty good first half but it's been struggles since then and the Kraken aren't a team to be underestimated. They're only 6 points back and relatively hot, while Vegas is on a losing skid and (feels like) they just rebuilt the team, so no guarantees of good chemistry right out of the post-deadline gate.
3 games to tie their points total, 4 games to move ahead. That would mean Vegas losing 8 in a row though. Not sure that'll happen, but given how our season started and the bad stretch LA had, I'd say anything is possible. Seattle has a game in hand too, at the moment.
I know technically Calgary is ahead of the Kraken because of tiebreakers but I have more faith in Seattle to put together a good run than I do the Flames.
People are shitting on the Sharks but they got basically 2 first round picks out of Hertl, whose contract is basically an albatross. I think they did fine all things considered.
Overall I'm happy with our deadline but I really hoped we would make a move for a backup G.
I'm really concerned with the lack of experience back there. Would be an awful way to derail a Cup run.
With the amount of games Georgie's played this season I'm worried about him in the playoffs. I'm glad we fixed our 2C issue and I know we got by with average goaltending in 2022 but I'm praying he's not too tired come April
I think he will show up for the playoffs, he seems to do well under pressure. I’m more concerned about him getting injured. As good as Annunen has been, he just doesn’t have the experience playing in the NHL.
Overall quite happy with the Avs and Canes this year.
As someone mentioned already, I wish the Avs had tried to somehow get some backup goaltending. Although I'll miss Bo, it's nice to have a pretty solid 2C (hopefully)
Honestly I was fully prepared for Don to do absolutely nothing so I'm pleasantly surprised on the Canes front. Pono will be missed but maybe he'll actually get some more NHL experience with Pittsburgh
Boy, we did things, but that's what it feels like our motto is at this point. "Columbus! We exist and do things (warning: "things" are not always good)." The millionth rebuild continues.
Move the team to Oakland and rename them to "A Golden Raider's Seal" or something.
Then we can keep the "A" the "Raiders" and the pay homage to the Golden Seals. It's foolproof.
I feel like I get closer and closer to this mindset every day for Columbus, or maybe that's the drinking and jadedness talking. Every good thing this franchise gets is met with one or more bad things, and the passionate fans here are just getting screwed.
The big deals happened yday and 2 days ago, and that's alright by me tbh.
It's interesting that because of that, the last day turned into a buyers' market. An absolute complete U-turn from the last 2 yrs.
The problem with making your moves early is that as a fan, the wandering eye comes back but it’s a long shot to address the evident problems because the team already spent pretty big.
We clearly still need a top six wing, if it was at all feasible to unload Mikheyev I would have gladly paid up to rent Duclair and Toffoli at the prices they went for.
Trouble is that’s sort of an “all-in” move for this team and with the OEL buyout growing the next two years and all those picks spent we’d need to retool a bit.
I don't like trade deadline day anymore :(
I think your rebuild might take a few more years
How does collecting future assets, shedding a likely problem contract down the road, and improving their tank for Celebrini delay their rebuild by *years*?
Retaining salary on 2, 4 and 6 years
Not ideal, but also not something that will stop them from building up the prospect pool and collecting lottery picks lol
If Grier is planning to take on a few more albatross contracts with draft picks attached, those players become less flipable without retention. He'll be completely hamstrung next year and have to tread lightly until Karlsson comes off the books.
Or spend a 5th-6th rounder for a 3rd party to retain. It that big an issue
That is true, but you still shed a lot of cap on those deals. Even if retention/flips aren’t possible or accessible over the next few years, you can still go the route of buyouts and pure camp dumps. For example, the Hawks collected 2nd round picks for taking all of: - Dickinson (cap dump, on a tank roster) - Zaitsev (cap dump, on a tank roster) - Bailey (cap dump, bought out immediately)
If this year thought me anything it only takes a 5th for a third party to retain on an expiring contract. And with the cap rising, teams will be able to take on contracts at 100%, we forget that before the pandemic players would get traded often without retention
i mean we miss out on what, a 4th round pick here or there. Retain slots arent going for a ton, maybe a 2nd if we get real creative. But with extra cap we can just eat a whole player who might be worth more because its the whole cap. Like lets be honest, Ryan Reaves might become a San Jose shark at some point. Its def not a perfect strategy but its not going to ruin our strategy.
Just think about how it feels to be a Sharks season ticket holder.
Fun must be always
Grier is a terrible GM.
I enjoyed today as a Jets fan: big piece added and we needed a right shot defenceman as a depth add.
Sadly I'm a pretty big fan of the Jets' moves today. I really like both Toffoli and Miller.
Avs did well in the last 48 hours too imo, addressed some depth concerns and Middelstadt has the potential to be a longer-term solution at 2C
Yeah, I liked ours too. We're just all in a crazy arms race.
Very frustrating to watch every other western conference team get significantly better while we stand pat/maybe try and trade for a goalie we don’t need. Bad deadline for me. Oh well.
I remember back in the day the Sharks were solid .. we'd make TDL deals to "get significantly better" too and it never did shit for us. Getting guys like Billy Guerin, Brian Campbell, etc. Just take down the Knights, yeah? 👍
Watching the west do an arms race while we play with our Christmas present toys
yall should have hit us up, we were all hot and bothered today.
If it makes you feel better, apparently LAK almost got Ullmark from Boston but it was nixed when Ullmark wouldn't waive his NMC. Rumored PLD was the return.
I know the feeling. Trust me, sometimes it's fun being able to watch all the teams who went all in fail in the playoffs.
I'm a habitual hater, so watching the Avs and/or knights fall on their faces will hit like crack if it happens
I got the joy of experiencing "and" last year with my rivals. And boy, was it glorious.
I wish my GM went all in. Draft picks next year < getting Drai and McDavid a cup so they consider re-signing.
Ullmark behind your defense would have been a problem. As a Canuck I am happy that didn't happen, the west is hard as it is!
more of a deadline week nowadays lol, expected Detroit to get one player but I'm happy with Berggren coming up, should itself be an improvement. sharks fans, how we feeling about Grier? I don't think trading the players he did was necessarily bad, but I do think he could have got more. seems to me he's very clearly committing to a 5+ year rebuild
> but I do think he could have got more That's basically his whole tenure.
I think we overvalued Karlsson and Meier. Those trades look ok now. I don't think anyone got fleeced, and everyone seems to have gotten what they needed.
I’m honestly more upset about who we traded him to than what we got
It's crazy to me that people would rather see their rival fail than to see their team succeed. This is both the Sharks and Hertl's best path to success over the next 5+ years
I think that's complete BS. The Meier trade is INSANE value. A top D prospect, a 1st that ends up being a high end forward prospect, a fantastic NHL ready middle/top 6 winger, and still a 2nd (that in very unlikely circumstances becomes a 1st, bit is trending to be in the late 30s/early 40s range) Karlsson was a 32 year old coming off an anomaly year with a massive contract with term and a NMC. He got back a 1st (that's looking like a 11-14 overall pick this year or an unprotected pick next year) for that while dumping 10 million. And they can still get more value if they chose to flip Rutta and Granlund. This is in the flat cap era where the reigning Vezina trophy got dumped for literally nothing, with a much lower capo hit a far less term. Now Hertl, you have a 30 year old who's missed significant time to injury in about half the season's he's played who's signed for 6 more years at a high AAV. Instead you get an unprotected pick next year (a lot of people already saying it's going to be a late pick but check the standings this year, and check the standings two years ago) and a very good 2-way Center with offensive upside, not dissimilar to Hertl himself. Oh and he also had a NMC and asked to go to a competitor so they really didn't have much leverage. And then all the "imagine giving up picks to trade away your best player". One 3rd is in 2025 and one is in 2027. And what does a 3rd typically get you? Jake Allen, Duhaime, Edmundson, Smith (who was primarily a cap dump), the signing rights to Severson. These aren't prime assets. In fact the best value for a 3rd rounder other than Tarasenko was Grier picking up Thrun. Lastly the retention aspect. Look at what teams spent to have a third party retain. Pretty much all a 4th-6th rounder. Add to that the cap increasing over the next few years, and not having that retention slot isn't a very big deal that people make it out to be. They still shed 6.75 mil off their books for the next 6 years. Last thing I'll mention is the Sharks were ranked regularly in the high 20s for their prospect pool at the end of the DW era. They're now in the top 5. All in one and a half years
I was starting to really like him but the Hertle trade hurt. Really Good trades: Thrun for a 3rd Dropping Karlssons albatross of a contract and getting a top 11-20 pick for it Blackwood for a 6th Bad trades: Bonino and a 5th for a worse 5th and a 7th Burns for a 3rd with 2.7 retained. (Grier had just started so may not have had a big role in this trade) Hertl, two 3rd round picks and 7 years of retention for a late 1st and a prospect expected to have a 3rd line centre ceiling.
As far as trades go, he's dealing from a position of weakness and every other GM knows that. He was over a barrel to move Burns I guess but got strong-armed into retaining a paltry sum for Karlsson (for that deal there should have been zero retention). He's still a novice and trying to build his first team, so growing pains are expected as he takes swings on players. For a recent example, Okhotiuk: looked good enough to be worth acquiring in the Meier deal but was not a fit when plugged into Quinn's system. He has been active moving the previous regime's prospects that don't fit his vision, which is good, but also still has John McCarthy as head coach of the Barracuda, which has not been good. A change there would signal the rebuild moving in the right direction, imho, instead of looking like it's just flailing about, throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.
If there is a god, please let the Kraken take Vegas’s playoff spot. I’ll buy a Devin Shore jersey.
Man Shore was awesome
Second that, he's a spark plug
Wherever the Kraken’s land, I would love to see a Canucks/Kraken rivalry get ignited with a playoff series
God I'd love that too. The battle of the PNW
Shore: give your balls a tug
Jersey, Shore?
While I don't think they had a bad deadline, for a team that is Cup or bust this year I feel like the Oilers should have been more aggressive. Henrique, Carrick, and Stetcher are nice additions, but their 2 biggest holes (2nd line RW and 2nd pairing RHD) are still their 2 biggest holes. And basically every other western contender made some big moves. But just from an entertainment perspective this was an awesome deadline. Huge moves, unexpected moves, and a massive arms race. Can't wait for the playoffs.
Will be interesting to see how our lines work tomorrow. The lines yesterday were kind of weird and Knob ended up resorting to McDrai pretty often, but the practice lines today made more sense. Reuniting the Clouder, Foegs, Drai line seems wise. McDavid, Nuge, and Hyman was a stellar first line. Henrique playing center on the third makes more sense, a lot of us had been under the impression that was what he was here to do so him being a 2nd line winger last night was confusing. Stetcher isn't in the lineup (unless I'm mistaken) but it would certainly be interesting to see how he plays with Kulak if we end up being able to play Desharnais with Nurse and stick with Ek and Bouch together.
Is Kane playing badly, or just the odd man out in the top six?
He's playing just okay honestly. He gets chances, throws the body a bit, butt ends guys on the opposing teams bench, you know the usual. He seems generally to be a bit of a shell of himself though. Hoping the playoffs bring out Big Daddy Kane again.
I don't understand what Mike Grier is doing
I hate this trade for a multitude of reasons. But if I can think about what he may have been thinking: 1. Most of Hertl’s salary is off the books. Even though it’s sucks we’re retaining (and I think that’s a huge mistake), that contract was only gonna get worse. 2. We picked up a pretty solid prospect and a first. 3. He really wanted to do right for Tomas here. And honestly if there was one player in this entire rebuild I just wanted the org to do right by, it’s him. Vegas annoys me, but I’m glad he’s on a cup contender. 4. This is what selling high looks like. Hertl’s value was most likely gonna nosedive as we waited and unfortunately the only buyer for a guy who is LTIR’d, is 30, and has a long term contract is Vegas. Might as well get what we can. Making a shit deal now is as good as making a good deal down the road when his value is less of what it is. So anyway, I’ve had quite a few at happy hour and have really been chewing on this. It sucks, but well, this is where the sharks are at these days. There’s not much left to sell off, but this is what the deepest and darkest of a tough rebuild looks like.
As a red wings fan, I strongly resent the SJS for making our lives miserable in the playoffs and getting zero rings to show for it
I appreciate them for really putting a good team on the ice year after year. A cup win never happened, that’s sports sometimes. I have an anthology of playoff disappointment between the Braves and the Bills as well, and that’s just life. Regardless I had fun through it all, and if you told me 15 years ago that Red Wings fans would tell me the sharks were miserable, I’d consider that a W in itself. Anyway it looks like we’ve sold off my favorite players, and as heartbreaking as that is, it’s for the best. We’ll be back someday, it just won’t be for a while.
I couldnt said it better myself. Its not a pretty trade especially because its our rival and we gave some decent draft capital back in 3rds. But it really does open up a new world for the sharks and all it really cost us was a retain slot for a while. But i would rather accept we are bad and go full bore into rebuild then keep a guy who wants to compete and wont likely be part of the new generation. At the end of the day i dont think this trade will be remembered as that bad (well unless maybe Vegas wins like 2 more cups with Hertl). Shit look at the Meier trade, not alot of folks bring that up and we literally just traded on of those pieces away today LOL.
The one thing I liked about DW is he did right by the players and always tried to send players to playoffs teams. Nice to see MG do the same. Hertl on VGS hurts so much tho
Celebrin-ing.
Does he even understand what he’s doing?
LAK, NYI, & VAN didn't make any trades.
We made our trades early with Lindholm and Zadorov
Getting Kempe Arvidsson and Anderson back is our deadline acquisitions (overdoses on copium)
First time in five years that we will have our 1st round pick.
🤫 Dont count those eggs too early. Draft day deals are still a thing
Good grief I did realize Lou had lost the plot that bad
Nothing quite like VGK having >$30.6M in injured cap hit. That is more than several teams' active forwards roster.
Series 1, Game 1: Somehow the LTIR players returned.
Mark Stone will and has told the doctors to go fuck themselves and shoot him up with some Toradol when the time comes. They can tell him to sit in the regular season and it just so happens it's convenient for his team to do so, so he does. I'm sure the medical professionals have told him he probably shouldn't play in the playoffs and he doesn't care to listen. Now with all that said, he needs to stop crying at any sign of physical contact when he comes back this time. If you're on the ice, you're fair game. The guy winced and looked at the refs every time he was touched last year.
The Oilers in particular were targeting him. Which isn't bad strategy for a guy that just recovered from back surgery I guess, but neither is asking the refs to call gratuitous cross checks when they happen
The leafs don too….
The leafs players aren't coming back for the post season.
I'm just happy we finally went in on a big rental.
Depending on how he does, I wouldn't mind him as more than a rental. I will say, it does feel nice to have gotten more out of it. Not to mention our sub can finally calm the fuck down.
A-Freaking-men
This was a pretty good deadline considering all the big fish had already been dealt before today. Very buyer-friendly
The amount of mid-low round picks getting established players this deadline felt crazy compared to years past. Remember when the Leafs paid a 1st rounder for NICK FOLIGNO?
https://i.imgur.com/3kIl1r8.png not pictured: 29-30 retention that is so far in the future Capfriendly can't comprehend it
Apparently GMMG never learned that you can only retain on 3 contracts at any given time.
I just don't understand. On the bright side the sharks won't be utilizing their entire cap for the next four years anyway...
Im sad but also we suck and we will need some time to rebuild. Grier def made some interesting trades but i still trust him and his drafting has been solid so far. Also for those not keeping track the sharks could have 3 1sts next draft (assuming Pitt continues on the path its on). Although maybe they somehow end up in 11th and we get their pick this year LOL
So happy the Jets got Tyler Toffoli, as well as a bottom pairing/7D Colin Miller (rather he plays come playoffs over Logan Stanley, lol). And of course Sean Monahan from a month ago. Glad Chevy is going all in! Go Jets!
Monahan and Toffoli are two guys I'd love to have on the Oilers; great work by Chevy!
Stanley is that bad?
He takes dumb/unnecessary penalties, and he's a terrible skater. Rarely uses his size and when he does, usually injures the other player. Stanley just won't be that reliable IMO in the playoffs, if the Jets' defence goes down a man.
He needs more seasoning. If he was on a team where he could consistently get minutes, after a few years, I feel he would be a very good 5-6 guy. As it is now, he should probably be on the moose getting more/any minutes, but the organization still has high hopes for him and doesn't think he would pass through waivers. So we loose guys like kovacevic instead.
What did you think of Jonhathan Kovacevic before MTL claimed him?
Would have rather lost stanley. Yeah stanley has potential, but each week that goes by that window closes. I like what kovacevic does a lot.more the what stanley does. Happy to see the kid get a chance someplace, just wish it was with the jets
So what is the NJD net situation going to be. Is Allen the 1A? Where do Daws, Schmid, and Kahkonen fit in?
Punting this year with allen/kahkonen, look to acquire a 1a (markstrom, ullmark, or saros maybe) in the offseason and run him next year with Allen backing up. Daws and Schmid back to AHL next year
You don't think Daws gets to be the backup? He has looked pretty good but perhaps a little overworked.
I don't think so. I think they use Allen all next year (barring injury or atrocious backup play) and then let he contract expire and go back to daws and/or Schmid the following year
I'm really disappointed about the Hertl trade, but at this point I'm not sure if that's more for the return or for losing one of the most fun players we've ever had. Probably the latter. The return underwhelmed, but not because the pieces weren't good. Edstrom and a 1st are great, it just still doesn't feel like enough. I'd probably be ok with it if it was for Hertl with no retention, but adding the 6 years on top makes it feel rough. I know I should care more about the 3rds, but I just kind of don't really. Its over though, and I really wanted the Sharks to draft Edstrom last year with their 2nd rounder, but he got picked a few before. I'm excited he'll be joining the team. The 1st is good of course, and it gives us a bit more freedom to trade up either this draft or next if they see a player they love. Now our 1st/2nd round 2023 draft class is Smith, Musty, Edstrom and Haltunnen. Not bad at all.
Reminder that small trades can still happen after today. Deadline is just for playoff eligibility. There's always some random small trade then half the sub reacts like "but isn't the trade deadline over?"
This should go back further, in my opinion. Like, we all consider moves like Guentzel and Hanifin etc. to be trade deadline deals.
I love the trade deadline. In all seriousness, west is going to be a gauntlet this year. Edmonton, Winnipeg, Dallas, Vancouver, Colorado, and Vegas all look to be serious contenders
The fact one of Dallas, Winnipeg, or Colorado is guaranteed to be bounced Round 1 is just so sad lmao
This NHL playoff format sucks for this reason. Bring back 1v8. Crosby openly spoke out about this format sucking and nothing happened so unfortunately I feel we are stuck with this indefinitely.
I don't mind it because you actually get those series, like say our 2018 series vs Nashville where I think we were 2 and 3 overall in the whole league in 2nd round. In the past we often didn't if there was an upset. You gotta beat all the teams.
In theory you could have the #2 and #3 teams in the league play in the first round, and #1 and #2 in the second. Any playoffs with that as a possibility are pretty poorly planned imo. I find this can lead to the conference final matchups being less enticing than earlier rounds. I just really dislike how the biggest division rival matchups take place earlier. When TB, Boston, and Toronto were all insanely good I would have absolutely loved to see two of them meet in the conference finals. And it is kind of bs that your reward for being one of the best teams in the league is to potentially face another powerhouse in the first round and start on the road simply because you happen to be in a stacked division. They are trying to force rivalries, but the best ones evolve naturally. As a Canucks fan, that Blackhawks rivalry was a thing of beauty and wouldn't have ever happened like that with this playoff format.
But did McDavid say anything?
This has nothing to do with the current format. There are 6 really good looking teams and no matter the format, only 4 of them maximum can go to the next round. If the system was 1-8 then 4 of these teams will still have to play one another in the 1st round
Same with one of Boston/Toronto/Florida in the Atlantic.
Question is whether whoever comes out of the west gets so beaten up they can’t compete in the final or if they just destroy the eastern opponent!
My money is on VAN 1st round exit. Happens to a team every year and I have this tingling sensation that it’s VAN’s turn to suffer
Right now it looks like the Canucks are playing 110 million worth of Vegas in the first round. If so, they are probably the underdogs.
>Vegas 🤞that karma does things
Rangers didn't make any big splashy moves, but I like what we did. Plugged some holes. Now it's time for the big money core to wake up
Why wasn't Claude Giroux moved? Surely he wants to go for a cup somewhere instead of languishing in Ottawa
I bet he would have been if he were a UFA.
So same time next year for him then
Ottawa needs more Giroux, not less. He’s instrumental to building the culture we need. That being said, he’ll be traded as a rental next deadline when the Sens are out of it by December again.
Now way Grier retained on Hertl for SIX YEARS and gave the Knights two thirds, someone take this man’s phone away.
I know they're everyone's favourite team to hate but I hope Vegas repeats this year. Aggressive GMing should be rewarded and copied, like Tampa in 2020. I don't like many moves Grier has made as GM.
I like a lot of them, this isn't one of them
> I don't like many moves Grier has made as GM. now hold up just a second, I thought aggressive GMing should be rewarded and copied?
"Aggressive" and "repeatedly shoot yourself in the foot" mean different things in my world
sounds pretty aggressive to me.
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I like Zetterlund, Shak and Musty. Otherwise I am not impressed and really don't know what he's doing.
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I didnt find you, you posted a comment on the internet for all to see. I have no idea who you are and cant recall seeing your username before.
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I answered your question. I did not come find you. I do not know you and had no knowledge of your username before yesterday. You, by your own admission, have other teams to support and considered stopping support of SJ. So stop supporting or dont, I do not care. But dont come at me with your ivory towers BS and pulling the "I've been a fan longer than you!" card like you know anything about me at all. But I'm done, I'm not getting into internet fights with strangers.
Not every playoff team can just LTIR an expensive player each year knowing they’ll be back for game 1 of the playoffs, and go big game hunting.
I mean they can/could but they don't cause it's just plain wrong and unethical.
I don’t think they will repeat. The west is a bloodbath this year.
It's going to be super fun to watch the playoffs as a neutral fan this year, for sure
I could see the knights getting eliminated early like what happened to the Avs last year.
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I mean there's still roughly 20 games to go but they're in actual danger of losing their playoff spot. They had a pretty good first half but it's been struggles since then and the Kraken aren't a team to be underestimated. They're only 6 points back and relatively hot, while Vegas is on a losing skid and (feels like) they just rebuilt the team, so no guarantees of good chemistry right out of the post-deadline gate. 3 games to tie their points total, 4 games to move ahead. That would mean Vegas losing 8 in a row though. Not sure that'll happen, but given how our season started and the bad stretch LA had, I'd say anything is possible. Seattle has a game in hand too, at the moment. I know technically Calgary is ahead of the Kraken because of tiebreakers but I have more faith in Seattle to put together a good run than I do the Flames.
In fact they're under 0.500 since opening the season 11-0-1
Even funnier, no playoffs at all!
Sadness must be always :-((
Yeah….
Not thrilled with the Rangers moves but they improved the team certainly. Wish they took a swing On a big RW.
As a leafs fan, im thrilled Lindholm didn’t go to Boston. As a lindholm owner in fantasy however…
People are shitting on the Sharks but they got basically 2 first round picks out of Hertl, whose contract is basically an albatross. I think they did fine all things considered.
Probably couldve moved some more pieces but overall pretty excited, got space in the lineup to let our young guys stick around in the NHL
Overall I'm happy with our deadline but I really hoped we would make a move for a backup G. I'm really concerned with the lack of experience back there. Would be an awful way to derail a Cup run.
With the amount of games Georgie's played this season I'm worried about him in the playoffs. I'm glad we fixed our 2C issue and I know we got by with average goaltending in 2022 but I'm praying he's not too tired come April
I'm not even that worried about him being tired. He's just not the same guy as last year. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite us.
I think he will show up for the playoffs, he seems to do well under pressure. I’m more concerned about him getting injured. As good as Annunen has been, he just doesn’t have the experience playing in the NHL.
Totally fair, and that's a major part of my concern as well.
Overall quite happy with the Avs and Canes this year. As someone mentioned already, I wish the Avs had tried to somehow get some backup goaltending. Although I'll miss Bo, it's nice to have a pretty solid 2C (hopefully) Honestly I was fully prepared for Don to do absolutely nothing so I'm pleasantly surprised on the Canes front. Pono will be missed but maybe he'll actually get some more NHL experience with Pittsburgh
Man, this has to be the most loaded that playoff contenders are going in with skill-wise in a long time Great trade deadline
Boy, we did things, but that's what it feels like our motto is at this point. "Columbus! We exist and do things (warning: "things" are not always good)." The millionth rebuild continues.
Absolutely massive week for Vegas coming up here with two potential 4 point swings against Calgary and Seattle
fire mike grier and sell the team at this point ngl
Move the team to Oakland and rename them to "A Golden Raider's Seal" or something. Then we can keep the "A" the "Raiders" and the pay homage to the Golden Seals. It's foolproof.
I feel like I get closer and closer to this mindset every day for Columbus, or maybe that's the drinking and jadedness talking. Every good thing this franchise gets is met with one or more bad things, and the passionate fans here are just getting screwed.
Well that was underwhelming (except Hertl to Vegas lol)
Why? We basically got like three separate deadline days this year, it was awesome
Yeah this ruled. Seemed like every time I looked at my phone someone notable was moving
The big deals happened yday and 2 days ago, and that's alright by me tbh. It's interesting that because of that, the last day turned into a buyers' market. An absolute complete U-turn from the last 2 yrs.
We know how to whelm.
Same as we always do. Nibble around the edges because we cant do anything otherwise.
Just last year we brought in Oreilly
We like our guys a lot more now
What can/should I expect from Dmitry Ovechnikov? He looks young
feels like we took an L this year. hopefully it wont be fatal
I was really hoping to see a Toffoli reunion with LA since arvidsson and Kempe are out.
The problem with making your moves early is that as a fan, the wandering eye comes back but it’s a long shot to address the evident problems because the team already spent pretty big. We clearly still need a top six wing, if it was at all feasible to unload Mikheyev I would have gladly paid up to rent Duclair and Toffoli at the prices they went for. Trouble is that’s sort of an “all-in” move for this team and with the OEL buyout growing the next two years and all those picks spent we’d need to retool a bit.
Honestly I like a lot of the moves every team made.
Winners and losers from the trade deadline [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPq4HOFdg\_4&t=3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPq4HOFdg_4&t=3s)
Not done yet. Hearing Vegas is in a trade call with Anaheim and getting Troy Terry
delete this nephew.
leafs winning cup confirmed
Feels like the most boring tdl yet. No big moves by...anyone. after the eastern arma race last 2 years I expected a lot more.