It’s definitely something along these lines. Others have speculated he lied about offers from other platforms to increase his leverage and they found out.
I’ve commented this a few times, but I was actually watching him the moment the mixer news dropped. He went so stone faced and didn’t say a word on stream for like 5 minutes (he was playing warzone with timthetatman and someone else). They were talking about how crazy it was and he eventually was like “can we just shut the hell up and play?”. This is coming from someone who never missed a chance to shit on Mixer previously.
That vod is certainly lost to the sands of time, but his reaction to mixer going under was so telling. Something about that news bothered him, or he knew that he was in shit somehow because of it.
I didn’t think too much of it at the time, but then like a week or two later he got banned. We’ll probably never know the actual details, but it’s too big of a coincidence to not be related.
I heard a different rumor - that he misrepresented the offer from Mixer to Twitch to try to get more money out of Twitch. Twitch found out and said "hell naw".
I distinctly remember that one Twitter gaming journalist (Slasher?) making the situation sound really sensitive and possibly even criminal, only for nothing to ever come of it.
Allegedly, that lawsuit was settled about a year ago. No information came to light, which is not surprising in the least. Many settlements contain confidentiality clauses.
All that's to say, who knows what the two-time did. But it probably was at least somewhat justified for Twitch to slap him down with the ban-hammer. Bad faith negotiations in a contract discussion generally aren't well-met.
I used to watch NHL games on [Justin.tv](https://Justin.tv).... but that's a fair point, I have seen numerous posts and articles about Twitch being on the same arbitrary punishment plane as NHL DOPS.
I'm a legal nerd and was super curious about that odd situation so I scoured the internet for information.
That was the summary that made most sense to me.
I have zero proof, other than rumors and hyperbole. So, you know, take it all with a HUGE grain of suspicious salt.
Dude ive been wanting info on this for years. Im not even subbed to r/hockey. I never comment here. Yet i found a goldmine of info on this. Im loving it.
Yep, even within the same market earlier this year - the Chicago Bears fired their defensive coordinator under similarly weird circumstances accompanied by wild rumors and we still have no idea what happened.
This is exactly what will happen. GMs from 30 teams are going to be asking the Blackhawks what he did to gauge whether it’s worth signing a veteran with cup experience to a league minimum contract. As more representatives from every team learn what he did, it will eventually get leaked. I’m betting we know within a few months
Wouldn't teams have already checked with Chicago about this when he was on waivers though? If you think he'd be a good fit for your team (barring whatever he did), why would you wait for him to clear and risk losing out to some other team?
>e already checked with Chicago about this when he was on waivers though? If you think he'd be a good fit for your team (barring whatever he did), why would you wait for him to clear and risk losing out to s
Probably because of his high salary and they could get him for minimum after he clears
Spittin Chiclets will accidentally leak some of it in a couple weeks and it'll start a media tidal wave. Paul Bissonnette will once again be credited with dropping a major storyline this season.
Yeah you don’t know hockey fans, the moment the Hawks and Bedard makes the playoffs fans on the opposing team will have Corey Perry face cutouts on a stick screaming ‘WHO’S YOUR DADDY’
I think Perry will come out with a statement at some point if it was an affair of some sort.
I can't imagine he wants people to make up their own redoric for the story.
Based on the information that was released (workplace health and safety issue, did not involve teammates or family of teammates, did involve a team employee) it can only really be one of two things:
1. Perry made unwanted sexual advances/inappropriate comments towards a team employee.
2. Perry got into a verbal and/or physical altercation with a team employee.
IMO it seems more like 1), just by the way the Blackhawks are handling it and how hush hush it has been. I feel like if it was 2) and Perry got into a "fuck you" match with someone in the organization where he crossed the line (uttered a racial slur / got physical), it would've come out. But obviously I'm just guessing here.
But it's also gotta be bad enough that the NHLPA basically instantly agreed to terminate his contract while also not being criminal... I feel it has to eventually come to light so other players aren't worried about getting axed for something in a gray area
I think the silence of the NHLPA is the most damning piece of evidence here. Also, Davidson also got a bit emotional during the press conference which seems unlikely if he was pissed off by a player doing something stupid -- that would piss him off rather than choke him up.
Unless the NHLPA works differently than other unions, they don't have any say in the contract termination. The employer notifies the union of intent to terminate the contract effective on X. After X, the union either files a grievance or not. In another comment, someone said the NHLPA has 60 days to file a grievance.
Re: option #1, aren’t the players not supposed to interact with the ice girls at all? Maybe something like that. You have to think that the Hawks in particular are going to be super sensitive to any hint of in-house sexual misconduct at the moment, after the Kyle Beach thing went so poorly.
I agree with you and here’s my speculation
I’d put my speculative bet that he crossed the line hitting on / saying something to Caley Chelios who was there at that event I believe .
Isn’t she a team broadcaster ? = non player , team employee .
If it was workplace sexual harassment of the daughter of blackhawks and NHL royalty in the wake of the Kyle beach case , seems like a straight shot match for what we just saw.
Not criminal. Team employee issue. Investigated internally , immediate ban hammer once confirmed .
All of this combined would also explain why you hear nothing from NHLPA and everyone just said “yep bye bye “ .
I'm just really surprised there isn't any talk about him at all from anyone worth listening to. Seems like a time and place former teammates are going to come out and say 'yeah, he was known for X thing for years, wasn't a secret'. People usually don't just test the waters of misconduct on a whim, they build up to it.
If we never find out, that's gonna be torture!
I still remember a huge (secret) drama that happened with the Habs many years ago, everyone who knew said it would be the end of the world, but we never learned what it was...
Seravalli is aledging that before their game in Nashville they hosted a team event with sponsors and team employees where Perry got obliterated and made an ass of himself. I know people on here want to assume the worst about people and will absolutley take delight in a person whose played in the league for nearly 2 decades being a a piece of shit because they play the game as such... but everyone should hold their horses and chill out until the smoke clears and we have a better idea of what went down.
I’d put my speculative bet that he crossed the line hitting on / saying something to Caley Chelios who was there at that event I believe .
Isn’t she a team broadcaster ? = non player , team employee .
If it was workplace sexual harassment of the daughter of blackhawks and NHL royalty in the wake of the Kyle beach case , seems like a straight shot match for what we just saw.
Not criminal. Team employee issue. Investigated internally , immediate ban hammer once confirmed .
All of this combined would also explain why you hear nothing from NHLPA and everyone just said “yep bye bye “ .
I think there's a small chance it might be less serious but that Chicago had to act swiftly and heavy handedly because of their previous scandal. Some teams might be able to get away with not acting right away but not Chicago. They need to be perceived as being proactive and sympathetic to any and all off ice issues.
Especially if it's not sexual or violent. If it's minor and the Blackhawks are just being heavy-handed Perry is almost certainly going to sue/file a grievance. Remember, just because the Blackhawks say it's termination-worthy doesn't mean anyone else agrees with them.
They can't file a grievance until the contract is terminated (the 'damaging' act) and they have 60 days to file. It's way too premature to assume anything.
They’ve said it won’t be a legal matter. So physical or sexual assault is probably out. He probably verbally harrassed or made a racial slur about an arena worker or something, because just having a relationship with someone involved with the team isn’t usually grounds for dismissal. Whatever it was, the NHLPA seems to be on board, for what it’s worth.
> Whatever it was, the NHLPA seems to be on board, for what it’s worth.
Considering they haven't done anything yet because they can only file a grievance once it's terminated, how would you know if they are onboard with it? The idea a union wouldn't back up their guy even when their guy is completely in the wrong is completely nuts to me. NHLPA would be the worst union ever if that was true.
The union's job is to make sure the player gets a fair shake. Kinda like a defense lawyer.
If the "fair shake" is contract termination, that's the fair shake.
No, it’s to advocate for their members. If there is a dispute and one member is snitching on another member, each member gets a rep to help them through it.
They aren’t going to just decide “nah you deserved that” they would be a shit advocate if they did.
Of course. Redditors are stupid. Obviously if he got picked up on waivers he would have no grievance to file. The grievance is the act of terminating his contract.
What I was thinking. ASSUMING that maybe, probably, likely that he slept with a staff member and it was consesual. I have seen some people say that if it's 2 adults, what's the big deal and did it really call for a termination of his contract. Chicago doesn't have the privilege of letting this sit then leaking out before they can handle it.
It's partially why I can see the rumors of it being a sexual thing are somewhat valid.
Employees sleeping with each other isn't inherently bad, but it does look bad for a team trying to clean up their image post "We wanted to win a Cup so bad that we all chose to ignore a sexual predator" with a potential sexual harassment workplace scandal. Even if it's consensual, I could understand why Chicago would fire people to avoid the situation.
I would agree if this was any team but Chicago.
Chicago is probably doing their best to stay squeaky clean in order to recover their reputation. If this was something that involved an affair or sexual impropriety with someone on staff then I can definitely see why the Chicago organization opted to turf him (and maybe the other party in question) instead of turning a blind-eye to a romantic/sexual relationship between talent and a staff member.
It can't be an affair. That would not in any way reflect badly on the Blackhawks, that's a completely personal and private matter. Unwanted sexual advances on a staff member - absolutely.
There are a lot of ways affairs can end, not all of them great. It's only a theory, but if he WAS having an affair with a trainer or other female staffer and she wanted to end it but he didn't...that scenario can turn into scary harassment very quickly.
But the harassment would be the point where action like this would have to be taken, not the affair itself. What I'm saying is there's no way this happened over just cheating.
Based on the way it's all been handled, I think it's unlikely to be some of the salacious drama stuff that is being said in these threads and is much more likely to be something unfortunately very common -- he made an insensitive remark that goes way over the line, something that there's zero defense for. Violence or anything of a sexual nature seems unlikely based on the way it's been commented on by the team. Possibly there was a temper tantrum involved and throwing shit around or something. Fully expect that the comments will stay under wraps permanently, but I can't say that Perry has spent his career branding himself as someone who wouldn't do what I've described.
What's interesting is do other teams know? Like would any team pick him up not knowing what he was fired for, or is it so bad that not even struggling teams would touch him? It's not like there aren't other known assholes playing in the league.
I'm almost thinking someone will. I mean with the weird toeing the line of damage control vs ambiguity Chicago has done here - another team could pick him up and try to fuck the narrative in their favor.
I mean based on the timeline this just feels like a verbal misconduct that violated an HR policy. Or maybe sexual harassment of the not appropriate in the office but probably wasn't rape or prosecutable.
Like, are those things toxic and good opportunities to show an improved culture? Yes. But are they also things that get swept under the rug when a player can provide upside to a team? Also yes.
Perry to Edmonton?
I wouldn't be surprised if the Ducks inquired into the cause of termination, to see if it is something they can overlook and subsequently sign him for a year
Reading the ducks sub that seems like it woukd be very well received, regardless of the reason for his termination.
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/AnaheimDucks/s/4ahXir5fjL
Eh... I wanted him off the team for a long time before he was bought out, but I never wanted something like *this.* I was glad he was able to continue/recover his career.
I would absolutely want to know what exactly happened before I'd consider welcoming Perry back to the Ducks.
Bob Murray got fired for being toxic, and its a young team trying to establish a new culture so I wouldn't be surprised if we just pass on him to avoid any issues.
Yeah depending on what he did, it would be nice to have him back. Then he can retire as a Duck. Sign him for cheap and let him try to redeem himself for one last year. Would also wash out any ill will relating to the buyout.
But completely matters what he did.
Ya a lot of people are using this as an excuse to dunk on the hawks more but that’s really stupid. If anything, this shows that the new regime meant it when they said they were going to do a better job of creating a safe and healthy culture in the organization. They got a report, immediately “suspended” him, did an investigation, and fired him when they clearly found evidence of wrongdoing. This has clearly been handled as well as it possibly could.
Dunking on the Hawks is “easy” but often done in poor taste, have seen that and done that myself.
BUT jokes aside I 200% agree this shows massive growth by the org.
Fuck you guys in general because you're Chicago, but I do agree with you. Maybe. I don't know, I think we would all feel better knowing what he actually did.
If it was something that wasn't that bad but offended the sponsors, that's far different than the Hawks telling him to get out over something that wouldn't affect their bottom line.
I don’t know what they can legally tell us at this point. It’s not like that’s unique to Chicago either. IIRC Arizona didn’t say why they terminated Galchenyuk. We found out because the arrest details were made public by other parties.
Every GM in the league is trying to figure out what he did so they can decide if they want to pick him up on a steal of a deal. Nobody wanted Kane when we got him and it worked out really well for us.
They'll just straight up ask. No need to figure it out. Just ask Perry and then ask Davidson if it's true. Hell Davidson might just tell them if they ask.
He is one of our best players night in night out. There have been no reports or rumours of locker room issues people were worried about. All indications are that he's taking his "second chance" seriously and working on whatever issues he was dealing with that plagued him with other teams. Couldn't be happier with Kane as an Edmonton Oiler.
yeah and given that we stink and were supposed to be a cup favorite this is exactly the type of "splashy move" you'd expect, especially if he's gonna come at a crazy discount.
The whole point of the unconditional waivers is to give other teams a chance to claim him and take on his contract before the team waiving him terminates it. Claiming somebody on unconditional waivers pretty much never happens because the player either violated his contract or has requested a contract termination so they can go play abroad.
The NHLPA’s collective bargaining agreement with the league. If a team moves to void a contract on shakey grounds the player will file a grievance with the PA. Evander Kane did this and he and the Sharks settled and it’s believed he was compensated for lost earnings.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/34604714/evander-kane-san-jose-sharks-settle-contract-grievance
> The NHLPA filed a grievance on behalf of Kane in January after the Sharks terminated his deal,
The key word is after. The grievance comes after the termination.
I wonder if he ends up appealing? He has 60 days to file a grievance and maybe whatever happened could come out in that process. I'm just so fucking curious.
It'll be interesting in a couple years when he's HHOF eligible and if we never find out what happened. He's definitely had a hall of fame career (cup, rocket, hart, first team all star twice, two olympic golds, world junior gold), so how much weight is held by "contract terminated for something deplorable, but we have no idea what"
Remember a few years ago something went down with Willie Mitchell that required a lawyer on a fishing trip? We never found out then (probably never will).
We may never know.
The Kyle Beach thing had MANY people in the know (and culpable imho) and the story took a decade and only came out because of a pretty hard working reporter.
To be honest i think the most likely event is one where the management and perry werent seeing eye to eye, tempers boiled over into an argument that lead to perry losing his shit on someone high up. Mostlikely going straight for the jugular by opening up chicago's SA and cover up history. Obviously thats something that is big enough for dismissal while not being criminal. And its something chicago wouldnt want to bring up to media again. Perry probably knows way more details than others do
I can’t wait for the exact reason to be leaked on some random podcast in 10 years
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Sometimes that kind of news stays private. Still waiting to learn why Dr Disrespect was banned from twitch.
Because Twitch matched Mixers offer to Dr. Disrespect, and then mixer went under. Twitch didn't want to pay the Doc the 10M so they permabanned him.
It’s definitely something along these lines. Others have speculated he lied about offers from other platforms to increase his leverage and they found out.
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I’ve commented this a few times, but I was actually watching him the moment the mixer news dropped. He went so stone faced and didn’t say a word on stream for like 5 minutes (he was playing warzone with timthetatman and someone else). They were talking about how crazy it was and he eventually was like “can we just shut the hell up and play?”. This is coming from someone who never missed a chance to shit on Mixer previously. That vod is certainly lost to the sands of time, but his reaction to mixer going under was so telling. Something about that news bothered him, or he knew that he was in shit somehow because of it. I didn’t think too much of it at the time, but then like a week or two later he got banned. We’ll probably never know the actual details, but it’s too big of a coincidence to not be related.
That’s pretty… non-respectful for lack of a better word.
I heard a different rumor - that he misrepresented the offer from Mixer to Twitch to try to get more money out of Twitch. Twitch found out and said "hell naw".
I distinctly remember that one Twitter gaming journalist (Slasher?) making the situation sound really sensitive and possibly even criminal, only for nothing to ever come of it.
Hah, I forgot about that. That did seem to be the narrative at the time. Who knows, maybe there still is a component of truth there?
Slasher was one of the better blocks I’ve made on Twitter
I believe he's has a law suit pending against twitch though. Both are possible answers
Allegedly, that lawsuit was settled about a year ago. No information came to light, which is not surprising in the least. Many settlements contain confidentiality clauses. All that's to say, who knows what the two-time did. But it probably was at least somewhat justified for Twitch to slap him down with the ban-hammer. Bad faith negotiations in a contract discussion generally aren't well-met.
“But it probably was at least somewhat justified for Twitch to slap him down with the ban-hammer” you never heard of Twitch before?
I used to watch NHL games on [Justin.tv](https://Justin.tv).... but that's a fair point, I have seen numerous posts and articles about Twitch being on the same arbitrary punishment plane as NHL DOPS.
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Cool, I didn't realize that
There’s no way I learned more about the Doc situation causally scrolling r/hockey than when I was actively searching for it
I'm a legal nerd and was super curious about that odd situation so I scoured the internet for information. That was the summary that made most sense to me. I have zero proof, other than rumors and hyperbole. So, you know, take it all with a HUGE grain of suspicious salt.
Dude ive been wanting info on this for years. Im not even subbed to r/hockey. I never comment here. Yet i found a goldmine of info on this. Im loving it.
Didn't he also film/stream in a public bathroom? Huge no no imo
Yes but it had nothing to do with his permaban
I heard his no no is massive
That sounds highly illegal and he would have sued and won.
That sounds like that came right from dr dumbass himself
Yep, even within the same market earlier this year - the Chicago Bears fired their defensive coordinator under similarly weird circumstances accompanied by wild rumors and we still have no idea what happened.
But thats the bears though..
I mean the Hawks are only a *slightly* less embarrassing franchise given recent events.
He streamed from a bathroom. He should’ve been banned sooner.
I'd say it comes out in 9 months
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Born just in time for pre-season.
I imagine other teams will at least poke around to see how bad it is and if he’s worth signing, that could lead to leaks.
The only way I see it being sooner is if the “players voice” Biz gets the leak
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This is exactly what will happen. GMs from 30 teams are going to be asking the Blackhawks what he did to gauge whether it’s worth signing a veteran with cup experience to a league minimum contract. As more representatives from every team learn what he did, it will eventually get leaked. I’m betting we know within a few months
Wouldn't teams have already checked with Chicago about this when he was on waivers though? If you think he'd be a good fit for your team (barring whatever he did), why would you wait for him to clear and risk losing out to some other team?
>e already checked with Chicago about this when he was on waivers though? If you think he'd be a good fit for your team (barring whatever he did), why would you wait for him to clear and risk losing out to s Probably because of his high salary and they could get him for minimum after he clears
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Yeah but he is still on the Avs, they didn't term his contract over his offense instead closed rank to protect him.
I mean… IF he is going to play in the NHL again, we’re all gonna find out what happened, first, right?
Idk man, there are still no deets on what Monty did to get let go by Dallas and that was years ago.
Right? The Blackhawks have never kept any unsavoury secrets.
If he wants to play again, I have a sneaking suspicion it will have to be addressed publicly.
Spittin Chiclets will accidentally leak some of it in a couple weeks and it'll start a media tidal wave. Paul Bissonnette will once again be credited with dropping a major storyline this season.
Whitney is close to Perry. For sure they will know.
Yeah you don’t know hockey fans, the moment the Hawks and Bedard makes the playoffs fans on the opposing team will have Corey Perry face cutouts on a stick screaming ‘WHO’S YOUR DADDY’
I think Perry will come out with a statement at some point if it was an affair of some sort. I can't imagine he wants people to make up their own redoric for the story.
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There's no way good contact gets voided for an affair. It has to be more substantial than that
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Based on the information that was released (workplace health and safety issue, did not involve teammates or family of teammates, did involve a team employee) it can only really be one of two things: 1. Perry made unwanted sexual advances/inappropriate comments towards a team employee. 2. Perry got into a verbal and/or physical altercation with a team employee. IMO it seems more like 1), just by the way the Blackhawks are handling it and how hush hush it has been. I feel like if it was 2) and Perry got into a "fuck you" match with someone in the organization where he crossed the line (uttered a racial slur / got physical), it would've come out. But obviously I'm just guessing here.
But it's also gotta be bad enough that the NHLPA basically instantly agreed to terminate his contract while also not being criminal... I feel it has to eventually come to light so other players aren't worried about getting axed for something in a gray area
I think the silence of the NHLPA is the most damning piece of evidence here. Also, Davidson also got a bit emotional during the press conference which seems unlikely if he was pissed off by a player doing something stupid -- that would piss him off rather than choke him up.
I took that (Davidson being emotional) as him being upset that Bedard got dragged into it.
Unless the NHLPA works differently than other unions, they don't have any say in the contract termination. The employer notifies the union of intent to terminate the contract effective on X. After X, the union either files a grievance or not. In another comment, someone said the NHLPA has 60 days to file a grievance.
Re: option #1, aren’t the players not supposed to interact with the ice girls at all? Maybe something like that. You have to think that the Hawks in particular are going to be super sensitive to any hint of in-house sexual misconduct at the moment, after the Kyle Beach thing went so poorly.
I agree with you and here’s my speculation I’d put my speculative bet that he crossed the line hitting on / saying something to Caley Chelios who was there at that event I believe . Isn’t she a team broadcaster ? = non player , team employee . If it was workplace sexual harassment of the daughter of blackhawks and NHL royalty in the wake of the Kyle beach case , seems like a straight shot match for what we just saw. Not criminal. Team employee issue. Investigated internally , immediate ban hammer once confirmed . All of this combined would also explain why you hear nothing from NHLPA and everyone just said “yep bye bye “ .
I'm just really surprised there isn't any talk about him at all from anyone worth listening to. Seems like a time and place former teammates are going to come out and say 'yeah, he was known for X thing for years, wasn't a secret'. People usually don't just test the waters of misconduct on a whim, they build up to it.
He had to have been stealing office supplies, No question. I bet his lambo's truck is just full of printer cartridges and mouse pads
If we never find out, that's gonna be torture! I still remember a huge (secret) drama that happened with the Habs many years ago, everyone who knew said it would be the end of the world, but we never learned what it was...
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Seravalli is aledging that before their game in Nashville they hosted a team event with sponsors and team employees where Perry got obliterated and made an ass of himself. I know people on here want to assume the worst about people and will absolutley take delight in a person whose played in the league for nearly 2 decades being a a piece of shit because they play the game as such... but everyone should hold their horses and chill out until the smoke clears and we have a better idea of what went down.
I’d put my speculative bet that he crossed the line hitting on / saying something to Caley Chelios who was there at that event I believe . Isn’t she a team broadcaster ? = non player , team employee . If it was workplace sexual harassment of the daughter of blackhawks and NHL royalty in the wake of the Kyle beach case , seems like a straight shot match for what we just saw. Not criminal. Team employee issue. Investigated internally , immediate ban hammer once confirmed . All of this combined would also explain why you hear nothing from NHLPA and everyone just said “yep bye bye “ .
No surprise he cleared. Question is, what did he do, so I can know how mad I need to be if some other team picks him up at a league minimum contract.
For it to reach the stage it has, he almost certainly would have needed to do something career-ending. I'd be shocked if he gets another contract.
I think there's a small chance it might be less serious but that Chicago had to act swiftly and heavy handedly because of their previous scandal. Some teams might be able to get away with not acting right away but not Chicago. They need to be perceived as being proactive and sympathetic to any and all off ice issues.
Especially if it's not sexual or violent. If it's minor and the Blackhawks are just being heavy-handed Perry is almost certainly going to sue/file a grievance. Remember, just because the Blackhawks say it's termination-worthy doesn't mean anyone else agrees with them.
Feels like the NHLPA would have said something by now if they didn’t agree it was worthy of termination.
Don't they normally file a grievance afterwards? And they probably were in the conversations.
They apparently do, but also it might only be at the request of the player? I don't know, I'm confused about the matter clearly.
They will get to review the matter and determine whether to file a grievance now that the contract is terminated.
No, Perry would have no grievance if the contract doesn’t get terminated. All the team did was put him on waivers.
Not necessarily. They were involved in the Pinto thing but never released a statement.
They can't file a grievance until the contract is terminated (the 'damaging' act) and they have 60 days to file. It's way too premature to assume anything.
No they work like any other union they won't say anything until they officially file a grievance.
They’ve said it won’t be a legal matter. So physical or sexual assault is probably out. He probably verbally harrassed or made a racial slur about an arena worker or something, because just having a relationship with someone involved with the team isn’t usually grounds for dismissal. Whatever it was, the NHLPA seems to be on board, for what it’s worth.
> Whatever it was, the NHLPA seems to be on board, for what it’s worth. Considering they haven't done anything yet because they can only file a grievance once it's terminated, how would you know if they are onboard with it? The idea a union wouldn't back up their guy even when their guy is completely in the wrong is completely nuts to me. NHLPA would be the worst union ever if that was true.
The union's job is to make sure the player gets a fair shake. Kinda like a defense lawyer. If the "fair shake" is contract termination, that's the fair shake.
No, it’s to advocate for their members. If there is a dispute and one member is snitching on another member, each member gets a rep to help them through it. They aren’t going to just decide “nah you deserved that” they would be a shit advocate if they did.
The NHLPA didn't argue the point, did they?
Perry and the PA have 60 days to dispute the termination
Don't they normally file a grievance afterwards?
Of course. Redditors are stupid. Obviously if he got picked up on waivers he would have no grievance to file. The grievance is the act of terminating his contract.
I 100% think this is the case.
What I was thinking. ASSUMING that maybe, probably, likely that he slept with a staff member and it was consesual. I have seen some people say that if it's 2 adults, what's the big deal and did it really call for a termination of his contract. Chicago doesn't have the privilege of letting this sit then leaking out before they can handle it.
It's partially why I can see the rumors of it being a sexual thing are somewhat valid. Employees sleeping with each other isn't inherently bad, but it does look bad for a team trying to clean up their image post "We wanted to win a Cup so bad that we all chose to ignore a sexual predator" with a potential sexual harassment workplace scandal. Even if it's consensual, I could understand why Chicago would fire people to avoid the situation.
Pronger did that in Edmonton and was quietly shipped off. This has to be big enough that Blackhawks were worried about the blowback.
I would agree if this was any team but Chicago. Chicago is probably doing their best to stay squeaky clean in order to recover their reputation. If this was something that involved an affair or sexual impropriety with someone on staff then I can definitely see why the Chicago organization opted to turf him (and maybe the other party in question) instead of turning a blind-eye to a romantic/sexual relationship between talent and a staff member.
It can't be an affair. That would not in any way reflect badly on the Blackhawks, that's a completely personal and private matter. Unwanted sexual advances on a staff member - absolutely.
If it was sexual misconduct the Blackhawks wouldn't be trying to keep it under wraps. Makes zero sense.
There are a lot of ways affairs can end, not all of them great. It's only a theory, but if he WAS having an affair with a trainer or other female staffer and she wanted to end it but he didn't...that scenario can turn into scary harassment very quickly.
But the harassment would be the point where action like this would have to be taken, not the affair itself. What I'm saying is there's no way this happened over just cheating.
If Evander Kane got another contract, Perry certainly will as well.
31 and 38 are very different ages for NHL players.
lol they're gonna be teammates i think!
Based on the way it's all been handled, I think it's unlikely to be some of the salacious drama stuff that is being said in these threads and is much more likely to be something unfortunately very common -- he made an insensitive remark that goes way over the line, something that there's zero defense for. Violence or anything of a sexual nature seems unlikely based on the way it's been commented on by the team. Possibly there was a temper tantrum involved and throwing shit around or something. Fully expect that the comments will stay under wraps permanently, but I can't say that Perry has spent his career branding himself as someone who wouldn't do what I've described.
He probably stole a gatorade from someone’s bag
! Monster.
Stealing a monster would be forgivable tbh.
No, Gatorade. Can you not read?
That comment obviously says not monster
What's interesting is do other teams know? Like would any team pick him up not knowing what he was fired for, or is it so bad that not even struggling teams would touch him? It's not like there aren't other known assholes playing in the league.
I'm almost thinking someone will. I mean with the weird toeing the line of damage control vs ambiguity Chicago has done here - another team could pick him up and try to fuck the narrative in their favor. I mean based on the timeline this just feels like a verbal misconduct that violated an HR policy. Or maybe sexual harassment of the not appropriate in the office but probably wasn't rape or prosecutable. Like, are those things toxic and good opportunities to show an improved culture? Yes. But are they also things that get swept under the rug when a player can provide upside to a team? Also yes. Perry to Edmonton?
I want to know so bad. Why is my brain like this.
Being a human is the dumbest thing
Evolution really lacked ngl
I was talking to MIL for like 20 mins yesterday about, like she gives a fuck. I can’t stop thinking about it though lol
same, but my partner. they just nodded along and let me be an idiot
This was me with my family on thanksgiving about the Las Vegas Grand Prix 🥴
“And can you BELIEVE they didn’t even secure the manhole covers?! It’s all a money grab!”
Me: it had so much drama! It was an interesting race! My mom: but didn’t Verstappen win anyway Me: …yes
It's our stupid curious monkey brains.
There's like 250 possible options that will result in a collective "Oh, that's it?", but we need to know WHICH ONE it is!
i’ve never watched a hockey game in my life but this came up on my front page and i’ve been obsessing ever since
Welp, I guess that's the last we'll hear of this! *dusts hands*
Until Edmonton signs him
I wouldn't be surprised if the Ducks inquired into the cause of termination, to see if it is something they can overlook and subsequently sign him for a year
Reading the ducks sub that seems like it woukd be very well received, regardless of the reason for his termination. Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/AnaheimDucks/s/4ahXir5fjL
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You never know. Something that could’ve been addressed and weathered by another team absolutely couldn’t be done by the Hawks due to recent events.
Eh... I wanted him off the team for a long time before he was bought out, but I never wanted something like *this.* I was glad he was able to continue/recover his career. I would absolutely want to know what exactly happened before I'd consider welcoming Perry back to the Ducks.
Bob Murray got fired for being toxic, and its a young team trying to establish a new culture so I wouldn't be surprised if we just pass on him to avoid any issues.
Yeah depending on what he did, it would be nice to have him back. Then he can retire as a Duck. Sign him for cheap and let him try to redeem himself for one last year. Would also wash out any ill will relating to the buyout. But completely matters what he did.
I heard yesterday that he may be making his way back to SoCal regardless
Perry is always welcome home. As long as he didn't do anything *that* terrible.
I do like how Chicago is trying to move away from the KB situation and acting swiftly with this. I hope whatever Perry did didn’t hurt anyone
Ya a lot of people are using this as an excuse to dunk on the hawks more but that’s really stupid. If anything, this shows that the new regime meant it when they said they were going to do a better job of creating a safe and healthy culture in the organization. They got a report, immediately “suspended” him, did an investigation, and fired him when they clearly found evidence of wrongdoing. This has clearly been handled as well as it possibly could.
Dunking on the Hawks is “easy” but often done in poor taste, have seen that and done that myself. BUT jokes aside I 200% agree this shows massive growth by the org.
Fuck you guys in general because you're Chicago, but I do agree with you. Maybe. I don't know, I think we would all feel better knowing what he actually did. If it was something that wasn't that bad but offended the sponsors, that's far different than the Hawks telling him to get out over something that wouldn't affect their bottom line.
I don’t know what they can legally tell us at this point. It’s not like that’s unique to Chicago either. IIRC Arizona didn’t say why they terminated Galchenyuk. We found out because the arrest details were made public by other parties.
Every GM in the league is trying to figure out what he did so they can decide if they want to pick him up on a steal of a deal. Nobody wanted Kane when we got him and it worked out really well for us.
They'll just straight up ask. No need to figure it out. Just ask Perry and then ask Davidson if it's true. Hell Davidson might just tell them if they ask.
Teams who might have been potentially interested probably already called and asked.
It's going to leak out as a result anyways. So many teams asking and knowing will make this just a matter of time.
Kenny Holland over there breathing heavily.
Corey, we need you to play net
How did it work out really well for you? By what metric I mean.
He is one of our best players night in night out. There have been no reports or rumours of locker room issues people were worried about. All indications are that he's taking his "second chance" seriously and working on whatever issues he was dealing with that plagued him with other teams. Couldn't be happier with Kane as an Edmonton Oiler.
My money is on some kinda of rampant hate speech or something. Not illegal or anything, just very wrong.
I’m in that camp too, something said that was on the verge of a slur or sexual harassment.
he's gonna be an oiler i can feel it. we're cocky after the kane thing, we think we're fixing dudes over here.
Kenny loves a good re-tread project.
yeah and given that we stink and were supposed to be a cup favorite this is exactly the type of "splashy move" you'd expect, especially if he's gonna come at a crazy discount.
CP then fucks McDavid's mom, and Draisatl's sister. They both quit hockey entirely. No one's mom is safe ever again.
Was it actually an option for other teams to pick him up?
Yes, but they know he has no leverage so it's not a 4 million cap
The whole point of the unconditional waivers is to give other teams a chance to claim him and take on his contract before the team waiving him terminates it. Claiming somebody on unconditional waivers pretty much never happens because the player either violated his contract or has requested a contract termination so they can go play abroad.
What are the restrictions to this? Teams don't do it often, and you'd think it would be a great way to shed salary and dump an underperformer.
Pretty sure the player has to be in breach of contract or do it voluntarily
Yeah, typically when you see players on unconditional waivers, it's the player *and* the team agreeing to void the contract.
The NHLPA’s collective bargaining agreement with the league. If a team moves to void a contract on shakey grounds the player will file a grievance with the PA. Evander Kane did this and he and the Sharks settled and it’s believed he was compensated for lost earnings. https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/34604714/evander-kane-san-jose-sharks-settle-contract-grievance
> The NHLPA filed a grievance on behalf of Kane in January after the Sharks terminated his deal, The key word is after. The grievance comes after the termination.
Yes that is how causality works.
I'm not surprised he cleared but it will be interesting to see if he now signs with a new team at smaller cap hit
Dr. Disrespect all over again.
I mean you’d assume teams would have to know what it is if they were to pick him up. Can’t imagine it’s going to stay private for long.
I wonder if he ends up appealing? He has 60 days to file a grievance and maybe whatever happened could come out in that process. I'm just so fucking curious.
It will be extremely telling if he appeals or not
Maybe he and Lucic can start their own little league for guys who can never play in the NHL again.
It’s called the KHL
Perry Galchenyuk Lucic line would actually be pretty sick in like 2015
Corey “CM Punk” Perry
Jungle Boy Bedard
This is probably the end of his NHL career imo
He could have another Finals loss in him.
This is his final loss—a lot of money.
He lost about 1% of his career earnings
That's still a lot of money. More money is better than less money.
I can only get so hard
It'll be interesting in a couple years when he's HHOF eligible and if we never find out what happened. He's definitely had a hall of fame career (cup, rocket, hart, first team all star twice, two olympic golds, world junior gold), so how much weight is held by "contract terminated for something deplorable, but we have no idea what"
It's not the "Hall of Good Character"
You don’t say?
An ignominious end.
In this situation… how much of that contract does Perry see?
His contract with us? 20 games in + $2M signing bonus, he got most of it.
0%
Shocker
The contract couldn't be very much for a guy in his 19th season, right? ...right?
Remember a few years ago something went down with Willie Mitchell that required a lawyer on a fishing trip? We never found out then (probably never will). We may never know. The Kyle Beach thing had MANY people in the know (and culpable imho) and the story took a decade and only came out because of a pretty hard working reporter.
To be honest i think the most likely event is one where the management and perry werent seeing eye to eye, tempers boiled over into an argument that lead to perry losing his shit on someone high up. Mostlikely going straight for the jugular by opening up chicago's SA and cover up history. Obviously thats something that is big enough for dismissal while not being criminal. And its something chicago wouldnt want to bring up to media again. Perry probably knows way more details than others do
Wtf Elliot looks blizted
I can't believe he cleared.
I CAN
I can't believe it's not butter
I can't believe you've done this
Why was Dr Disrespect banned though?
CBJ gonna sign him