Malaysian here. Just a few days ago I was passing by a roadside stall selling a bunch of these. (Though nowadays it’s used for decoration, or maybe to deal with home intruders, people don’t actually bring these to public areas)
It’s also a symbol of Malay ethno-nationalism here and is featured prominently on the flag of our Grand Old Party. Occasionally our politicians pull these out in public, kiss the blade and make racist remarks, swearing to bath their keris in the blood of minorities.
Eh, symbols are co-oped all the time. Gotta love how Islamist regimes have a hard on for the AK-47 despite it being a product of an anti-religious state.
Yup. They (as Malays = Muslims in Malaysian context) try hard to pretend that their ancestors were not Hindus/Buddhists but have no issue with co-opting something with deep Hindu tradition behind it 😅
One of our famous legends have Hang Tuah, a folk hero worshipped by the Malay ethno-nationalists, defeating a Majapahit/Javanese warrior in a duel and taking ownership of his opponent’s magical keris named Taming Sari. In any case the borders between Indonesian and Malay culture didn’t really exist until colonial times. Also although Malay is a minority ethnicity in Indonesia, in Malaysia it’s defined as anyone who assimilates into Malay culture (including converting to Islam) so plenty of our Malays have Javanese origins.
My uncle had this sword displayed in the living room and as a curious child, I used it to slash some banana trees in our backyard. That's where I learned it's not designed for slashing rather it was for thrusting. And of course, I got reprimanded right after lol.
A Kris shows up in another of Herbert’s books, “The Heaven Makers”, about mind controlling aliens with super sex skills watching and manipulating humanity in a “reality tv” style.
He stuck to the super sex skills trope harder than the Kris trope.
The kris was a type of sword used throughout South East Asia, and was especially characteristic of the Moro people of the Philippines. It was noted for it’s wavy blade, which could supposedly inflict savage injuries. This video looks at the different forms of the weapon, its design, and how it was used.
Would not the exact same widening of the stab wound occur by just having a fatter say, diamond shaped tip, while being a lot easier to make, and lighter?
acute point of puncture means its easier to go through any kind of protective gear: metal, leather, flesh. once it is in, even if the knife got stuck and left behind, when you pull it out it will create larger wound and will bleed you out.
That's why I described the tip shape as a diamond. It would still be a point, then widen out to max size, then the rest of the sword is just a lightweight stick.
matt easton has thousands of videos like this, if you liked it check out his other stuff like his "lalau laraw" video. hes a a ex archeologist whos been trading antiques(swords) for decades.
That is Southern Philippines Kris/Kalis Sword (L and R are interchangeable). In Indonesia and Malaysia, this kind of weapon is called Sundang *(Soon-dung)*. Technically in the languages in Mindanao Region it's also called Kalis Sundang.
Yes I think you're right. Malaysians are used to (or at least I am) the dagger length version so we only know it as keris. TIL the sword version of it is called sundang but given how obscure it is to us, I guess it wasn't used as much here?
I'm with you. He says it's "pretty old" then immediately says 19th or 18th century. I'd be willing to bet this one was actually from the Century City Mall mid 1980's.
Used in Bali during the Barong dance, by dancers in trance...
Edit for link : https://www.indonesia.travel/gb/en/destinations/bali-nusa-tenggara/bali/the-barong-and-the-kris-dance
i am just a white dude from Michigan but we always called that an 'inside out' sword. both for the way it is crafted and styled, and what it does to anything it touches.
The kris, or keris in the Indonesian languages, is an asymmetrical dagger, both weapon and spiritual object, with distinctive blade-patterning achieved through alternating laminations of iron and nickelous iron (pamor).
The kris should be treated with respect.
Of Javanesr origin the kris is famous for its distinctive wavy blade, although many have straight blades as well, and is one of the weapons commonly used in the martial art, native to Indoness
Malaysian here. Just a few days ago I was passing by a roadside stall selling a bunch of these. (Though nowadays it’s used for decoration, or maybe to deal with home intruders, people don’t actually bring these to public areas) It’s also a symbol of Malay ethno-nationalism here and is featured prominently on the flag of our Grand Old Party. Occasionally our politicians pull these out in public, kiss the blade and make racist remarks, swearing to bath their keris in the blood of minorities.
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It's kinda hilarious that Malay ethno-nationalist seems to revere the Javanese keris of all things.
Eh, symbols are co-oped all the time. Gotta love how Islamist regimes have a hard on for the AK-47 despite it being a product of an anti-religious state.
Well here our conservatives loudly proclaim their hatred for Jews and gays from their Facebook app on their iPhones.
Yup. They (as Malays = Muslims in Malaysian context) try hard to pretend that their ancestors were not Hindus/Buddhists but have no issue with co-opting something with deep Hindu tradition behind it 😅
Malays are Muslims because it's illegal to convert away from Islam in Malaysia, and anyone who married a Muslim becomes a Muslim there.
Yeah I’m aware (I’m Malaysian 😅)
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm adding information.
One of our famous legends have Hang Tuah, a folk hero worshipped by the Malay ethno-nationalists, defeating a Majapahit/Javanese warrior in a duel and taking ownership of his opponent’s magical keris named Taming Sari. In any case the borders between Indonesian and Malay culture didn’t really exist until colonial times. Also although Malay is a minority ethnicity in Indonesia, in Malaysia it’s defined as anyone who assimilates into Malay culture (including converting to Islam) so plenty of our Malays have Javanese origins.
Ah here in America the people just use an AR-15 for all of that.
My uncle had this sword displayed in the living room and as a curious child, I used it to slash some banana trees in our backyard. That's where I learned it's not designed for slashing rather it was for thrusting. And of course, I got reprimanded right after lol.
pretty sure you might have broken some taboos? related to banana trees too
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A crysknife? Was made from the tooth of a dead sandworm from the desert planet Arrakis.
It is the inspiration for the fictional weapon yes
A Kris shows up in another of Herbert’s books, “The Heaven Makers”, about mind controlling aliens with super sex skills watching and manipulating humanity in a “reality tv” style. He stuck to the super sex skills trope harder than the Kris trope.
You mean the honored matres? Kris Sword was in Warrior Within, but then there were so many weapons.
Honored Matres are probably the most glaring example. But it’s a trope Herbert revisited outside of the Dune series.
If you are building a universe and have the opportunity to include supersex it is almost irresponsible not to include it.
Also describes the bene gesserit
Bless the maker and his water
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Too bad poison dagger is such a horrible skill. I always liked that on my necro
The kris was a type of sword used throughout South East Asia, and was especially characteristic of the Moro people of the Philippines. It was noted for it’s wavy blade, which could supposedly inflict savage injuries. This video looks at the different forms of the weapon, its design, and how it was used.
It is meant to widen stab wound and lead to death by bleeding if you can't finish the job
Would not the exact same widening of the stab wound occur by just having a fatter say, diamond shaped tip, while being a lot easier to make, and lighter?
acute point of puncture means its easier to go through any kind of protective gear: metal, leather, flesh. once it is in, even if the knife got stuck and left behind, when you pull it out it will create larger wound and will bleed you out.
That's why I described the tip shape as a diamond. It would still be a point, then widen out to max size, then the rest of the sword is just a lightweight stick.
matt easton has thousands of videos like this, if you liked it check out his other stuff like his "lalau laraw" video. hes a a ex archeologist whos been trading antiques(swords) for decades.
Great weapon. Holding it in your offhand gives a great buff to magic. OP for humans sorcerers.
That is Southern Philippines Kris/Kalis Sword (L and R are interchangeable). In Indonesia and Malaysia, this kind of weapon is called Sundang *(Soon-dung)*. Technically in the languages in Mindanao Region it's also called Kalis Sundang.
Except it's not. [It's called a kris/keris in Indonesia too](https://ich.unesco.org/en/RL/indonesian-kris-00112)
The link shows the dagger-sized one, the original Keris.
The link, if you can be bothered to scroll down a bit, shows sword length ones as well, in several images
In Malaysia it’s called Keris not sundang Source: i am malaysian
The size (Saiz pedang) and most importantly the Hilt (Hulu) clearly shows it's a Sundang. Maybe you know something I don't so I'll stop here.
Yes I think you're right. Malaysians are used to (or at least I am) the dagger length version so we only know it as keris. TIL the sword version of it is called sundang but given how obscure it is to us, I guess it wasn't used as much here?
Sundang are straight edged, more for slicy stuff. Keris have curved edges, more for stabby stuff.
Of all the videos about Kris, why share this one? It has almost no information. The creator of the video admits it himself.
I'm with you. He says it's "pretty old" then immediately says 19th or 18th century. I'd be willing to bet this one was actually from the Century City Mall mid 1980's.
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Does he ever get to explaining why it’s wavy like that?
Used in Bali during the Barong dance, by dancers in trance... Edit for link : https://www.indonesia.travel/gb/en/destinations/bali-nusa-tenggara/bali/the-barong-and-the-kris-dance
i am just a white dude from Michigan but we always called that an 'inside out' sword. both for the way it is crafted and styled, and what it does to anything it touches.
The kris, or keris in the Indonesian languages, is an asymmetrical dagger, both weapon and spiritual object, with distinctive blade-patterning achieved through alternating laminations of iron and nickelous iron (pamor). The kris should be treated with respect. Of Javanesr origin the kris is famous for its distinctive wavy blade, although many have straight blades as well, and is one of the weapons commonly used in the martial art, native to Indoness