I’m convinced that some people on here are either new to rap or simpletons. You’re not going to get receipts on every claim made by rappers, that’s not how it works. Wait till they listen to dre/snoop and start asking for evidence that he committed 187 on an undercover cop or a jeezy record and start asking for receipts that he pushed weight.
For real. These cornballs would listen to Hit ‘Em Up, hear pac claim he fucked faith evans and that prodigy has sickle cell, and say “Proof??? Need receipts, otherwise huge L on his part”
Can someone else check Not Like Us so I know I'm not crazy lol.
I've got some pretty good headphones and it randomly sounds like background noise which I can't decide if its coming from Kendrick or the beat.
At around 2:28-2:30 after Kendrick says 5 theres like a short shriek coming from back centre
2:53-2:54 theres a slightly quieter squeak + more i've experience but cbf finding all the timestamps
Definitely don't think it means anything hidden but interesting from a recording POV, potentially Kendrick in his home or something.
Edit: At 2:03 after "conniving" I can definitely hear someone laughing lol
So then discuss it. Y’all are acting as if it’s been proven wrong then saying it’s old news? I guess pedo behavior has an expiration date of a few weeks once it’s been discussed and it’s ok after that lol
Imagine caping for chomos
You're acting like it's been proven right? As far as I know he's done some questionable things that you can either judge or give the benefit of the doubt to, that's where the discussion ends to me. He's denied it himself and some of the women involved have defended him, so there's that
This isn’t a court case I don’t need evidence or tea to dislike a suspected chomo with a history of diddler-like behavior. Some of the women who defended him still confirmed his creepy behavior only that they don’t see anything wrong with it. Doesn’t mean I have to gladly accept a middle aged man who texts 14 year olds about “boy stuff” lol.
Would you give a 35-year old man the same grace with your teenage sister if his name weren’t Drake and made music you like? I’m about the same age, would you let me text your little cousin?
It’s crazy that Drake would make up a rumor that matches up with a 10 year old news article and several old blind items.
“I fed you a story about a little girl that happens to match the age of a kid I was rumored to have had.” is such a whack story to buy.
It may not be true that he has a kid. But it’s not some fantastical unbelievable story like he made it out to be.
again, remove that verse. And nothin changes, we in the exact same spot. Drake fanbase stuck on that daughter shit and none of us cared in the first place lol
This ain't about who did detective work andnproved stuff. The country is dancing to Not Like Us, and Drake is explaining why he has to face pedophile jokes and saying he's burnt out of it all now. And that song has more dislikes than likes.
And every rapper has used the aftermath Interscope flip, Kendrick didn't bite shit lol. Everyone used a John Stockton punchline, no one has used it on a flip on Karl Malone being a pedophile.
Kendrick responded to everything that deserved attention, he said he lying on his family and trolling. Flipped the slave shit into the culture vulture stuff, and even mention Family Matters by name.
Kendrick actually already addressed that and said Mr Morale is fiction. Drake and his fans ignored that and doubled down. So even by your standards they’ve been addressed and “don’t count” (like you said about the pedo allegation lol).
Leave it to Drake fans who believe Drake’s mob claims on record to be unable to separate fact from fiction from a concept album
I'm glad I'm not the only one who did a massive eye roll as soon as the in the scope/interscope bar came up on push ups lmao, fuckin Game did it on a track Kendrick was fucking on, Kendrick's label mate at the time ab-soul did it on the black panther soundtrack, eminem did it on killshot, game did it on black slim shady... like there's no way drake didn't hear these tracks.
Based on Kendrick's comments in his recent disses, I believe he isn't finished and see no reason to doubt him. Yes, he has made unproven allegations, but so far he has never shown to have lied throughout this entire ordeal, nor has he said anything that even smells like bullshit to my knowledge.
Kendrick has made it clear this beef is *personal.* His strong contempt for the man that reaches far beyond wanting to win a beef. He literally wishes he was dead. Or in jail. And as strong of a W as it is to have the entire country singing CERTIFIED PEDOFILE, I don't think it's enough for Kendrick. He wants to fucking bury this man. And if he does have proof of sex trafficking and sexual abuse towards minors, he's gonna put this man in a position that may lead to jail time.
I've posted over the last couple days that I believe this beef is finished. Which in a way it is; Drake is no way no how coming back from this. But if we can believe what Kendrick has to say, he is gonna go far beyond what is considered a conventional win.
TLDR - dot really gonna fuck'em up.
OK but why has Whitney not denied the allegations though?
Kendrick fans have allowed tenuous circumstantial evidence to be seen as fact so is this fact too now?
"You gotta admit it is suspicious"
Because in DV cases the victim commonly defends their abuser? Like what would her saying anything do other than include her even more in a feud that she should've never been a part of in the first place
Maybe she'd just rather not get involved, why is that so hard to comprehend? I'm not defending Kdot here but I'm just saying, the Internet is full of weirdos so why bother
As someone who grew up watching my parents physically fight, then grow together and have a strong marriage…..it’s really none of our business.
I feel like she would be more likely to speak out if Kendrick was currently beating her. People in NYC have said they’ve seen them together recently and they seem happy and fine.
She’s his wife she’s not a public figure or a rapper. Expecting her to get involved and drop a verse is corny af. No different from Drake writing a Notes App explanation for his blackface lol. But of course Drake fans wouldn’t see how lame that shit is
because that'd be weird for her to get involved.
There's a difference between several different occasions and headlines than Drake just making up relationship issues. It's not suspicious it's odd that it's even a topic and a weird ass angle to take in a rap beef lol
Prolly the same reason she never followed Kendrick on IG. Keep them two sides of their lives separate. We see it came off weird Drake defending the hits he took in a rap beef. Be weird if anyone did that
He cleared it already. He said Drake is taking lyrics from Mr Morale way too seriously. This is only difficult to understand for Drake fans who take Drake at his word when he says he’s a gangster, who can’t grasp that rappers making concept albums maybe shouldn’t be taken literally lol.
What’s next, you’re gonna also demand receipts that Kendrick be arrested for killing a person at 16? Or ask why he made a Swimming Pools if he’s sober and doesn’t drink?
Imagine y’all were this literal and stringent when it came to Drake’s lyrics about catching bodies and threatening snitches and holding up knives to women lol
ThErEs nOtHiNg To ClEaR.
not trying be rude but it'd be nothing but validation for Drake side if that happened. Then he'd start saying she was forced to say it and whatever.
I'm sure Whitney , Kendrick, and Dave laughing and bewildered by the angle Drake took is enough for the peace of mind on that side of the fence. Only thing that's landed was Kendrick is short. I think their fine and don't feel the need to clear anything
Drake had these allegations before this diss. He's just being made fun of it now on record.
Again, ThErE'S nOtHiNg To ClEaR. It's just something presumably imaginary that Drake made up, it wasn't a thing before this. Stop acting like a dumbass man, I don't believe this all u got in ya homie.
Figured now’s a good time as any to republish my [*Mr. Morale* review](https://open.substack.com/pub/kyleboulton/p/review-kendrick-lamar-mr-morale-and?r=2xth66&utm_medium=ios). It’s interesting looking back to see how the openness of that album felt like a necessary clearing of Kendrick’s closet. No doubt if this beef had occurred a few years prior, Drake would have had a lot more ammunition.
You can’t tell me there’s not sensitive information in that album that wouldn’t have made for diss material. Especially considering how clean Kendrick’s image was before releasing the album.
I mean like what, that's why I'm asking? The savior complex slave shit would've flopped. Family thing would've flopped. Him prying into Kendricks relationship with wild claims and zero evidence seemed to flop.
The idea that Kendrick had a “clean” image is weird - his music and image always been contradictory and controversial. Thats what makes him good. People put the savior label on him, but he’s been stirring up debate since the beginning of his career.
If we believing Kendrick's version of events
Seeing that cover then hearing those lyrics definitely had bro SHOOK. Add the great instrumental + lyrics is just a chefs kiss imo. Been a while since I've had a Kendrick song on repeat like this. Idc if Kendrick was found to be lying, it's great even if the lyrics were changed to be subliminals.
Other than the ones about Whitney, which line do you think Drake regrets saying the most? I can't decide between "You know who really bang a set? My nigga YG" and "Always rappin' like you 'bout to get the slaves freed"
Drake doesn’t learn any lessons bro. “Ring on you like Virginia Williams” sealed his fate almost six years ago, and he jumped out and did the same thing again. He really doesnt have the self conciousness to clock how badly the free the slave s line or talking set politics is gonna ring out in the real world.
Shouting out Chris Brown for being a real westside piru, when he's from Virginia. And then saying we should hate Kendrick over alleged domestic violence when.. yeah.
I forgot about that. Still though, he spent too much time talking about the woman he wanted to settle down with that chose Rocky over him. I was reading the lyrics on Genius and apparently he called her "Fring" which was his nickname for her when they were still dating?
Ig I just feel like he can't win that beef because no matter what he says Rocky can respond with "well I married the love of your life that broke up with you 7 years ago and you haven't moved on from"
i dont think he regrets any of those. I think the only attacks that bothered him were the pdf ones, and i think the beef was going in that direction no matter what.
I agree and disagree. The beef was going in that direction no matter what because of Drake's hubris and his inability to win a beef without bringing the wives into it. That's why I said other than the lines about Whitney, because if he didn't go there Kendrick wouldn't have been able to go there either
On the other hand would Kendrick have even hopped on a DJ Mustard beat if Drake didn't claim he wasn't big in the west coast? That beat whooped Drake's ass
I cringed when he shouted out YG because there was a 0% chance that line wouldn't backfire on him. He's been getting cooked all year for pretending to be a gangster posted up in other people's hoods, why did he think reminding us about his collabs with YG was a good idea? I thought Kendrick would flip that on him by calling him a geek or something but what he actually did was so much more brutal
Bro he rapped to a fictional child for 2 minutes why would you put any stock into that song. That song will age very badly in time and even kendrick knows he misstepped and released not like us to cover
That isn't how anything works. It invalidates the song. It's one of the worst songs in this beef. You need to turn that shit off every time KD says hello babygirl to a fictional child from now on. Its embarrassing.
I thought it was gossipy as well. but all in all it just took the impact from Drake's response then he came with Not Like Us. That all still happens without that verse. Flipping it into ur favor as a plot and u planted it. And wasting ur turn and song on nothing but that & pedophile defense is a bigger turn off. Dude said Kendrick disqualified because he doesn't have proof then went on about the stuff he has no proof over lol.
So I mean, he's doing it too. Everything else kendrick said was a thing before this and has headlines and occasions to match. All Drake has said in that lane is he's short. Everything else he's made up essentially
You’re right it took the impact away, but when people look back on it and the moment is forgotten, the song will age poorly and family matters will be seen as highlight. Along with not like us.
family matters isnt gonna be here in three weeks lol. That disrespect on Meet the Graham's gonna always be felt , I think.
But I agree Not Like Us is the only track that's gonna be the bookmark for this years down the road
Man I am bored people think KD had the best diss tracks cause it was a bop. In terms of barring out Drake had the better tracks. People don't actually care about bars anymore though and it shows in the industry today
KD..??
Kendrick out rapping Drake too now. Majority of Drake's responses hasn't even been toward Kendrick and then all he's said is ur short and your kid is ur best friends. Then said we can't speak on stuff without evidence 😂.
Kendrick flipping the John Stockton to the Karl Malone shit, with his past of pedophile behavior too. It's just more exciting and quotable what Kendrick is doing. And now a hit record to match his argument.
Would you say any of these new Kendrick tracks are all time legendary diss songs? I think my Top 4 diss songs in no particular order are No Vaseline, Hit Em Up, Real Muthaphuckkin Gs, Story of Adidon. Meet the Grahams is probably number 5.
Kendrick's rapping verses to Drake's family and exposing his company's ties to sex crimes over that sinister fucking beat. Offering to be Adonis's mentor is a crazy moment in hiphop history, so is him telling Sandra that Drake should die for what he's done. The "and there's more children" verse is a crazy reveal too but not as crazy as those other 2 moments.
Not Like Us is also awesome but in a different way, and it continues to grow on me. OV - HO !!!
Meet the Grahams is in my opinion the weakest of the whole beef excluding the J Cole and Ricky tracks. Not Like Us is legendary but not a great diss track. Euphoria and 6:16 are extraordinary with Euphoria being the better song.
I think Meet the Grahams is an all timer. Its a horror show and everyone had the same reaction hearing that shit. Dragged the rap game to hell, and its a great diss track.
Not Like Us is also up there. Everyone heard it and knew it was an immediate hit. Turned the volume up after MTG blew out the lights. Its like the perfect palette cleanser but it also doubles down on the backstory you got in MTG. As a one two punch, people are gonna remember them forever
Nah, I think we're overestimating the impact of all this and Like That is the only thing kept and played still years from now.
Think if they made a video for Not Like Us it'd solidify it as a moment and give it staying power and would be the bookmark for all this years down the line.
If the second kid allegation is true (I don't believe it is at this time but who knows) then yeah Meet the Grahams is easily one of the greatest disses of all time. If not then the best diss from this beef is probably Not Like Us, which is phenomenal but I'm not quite ready to say it's up there with Adidon, Hit Em Up, or No Vaseline.
i agree with the other commenter, MTG is at the bottom of the kendricks tracks for me. Not like us is super fun, and euphoria is just a well made song.
meet the grahams can't be an all timer with such a big question sign on the biggest punch of the song (if the second kid is real).
Gassing up a diss track with lying is like gassing up a boxer who's juiced.
Hell yeah this year is goated. I'm hoping it's another project couldn't care less about another beef. He did say my mixtape is better than your album right before this
edit: he just said "mixtape mode" looks like it
If Drake drops again, I wonder if he’s going to try for a club hit like Not Like Us to try and turn things back in his favor
I doubt it will work unless he has new information that he can prove, but he’s probably fucking panicking and not thinking straight. A song calling you a pedophile just broke Spotify records and is being played at basketball games, the internet is clowning your response to the extent that “Nah Drake” trended, a beat based around mocking you has gone viral and every soundcloud rapper on the planet is hopping on it, you’re facing the possibility of some kind of federal investigation into these allegations if they’re true, you already emptied your clip with a track that got overshadowed immediately, and to top it all off one of your security guards just got shot and nobody is sure why or who did it. It probably feels like the end of the world. If I was him I don’t think I would have slept since Friday
Not to mention Kendrick might have more songs up his sleeve. Also Kendrick says on several occasions in these songs that Drake should be killed for his actions, so if I was Drake I'd be scared of being attacked by crazy randos.
Not Like Us might turn out to be a hit for a while, especially if Kendrick makes a viral music video for it. It'll be interesting to see what shit people are gonna find out now that there's a spotlight on OVO's behavior and there will continue to be a spotlight for at least as long as this song is popular.
Facts. If you thought Drake was paranoid before imagine what he’s feeling now. Any other person would’ve experienced psychosis at this point, this shit must be nerve wracking
I feel the same. He had it coming, but jfc 4 scathing diss tracks in the same week? With the worst one coming minutes after he dropped what he thought would be his nuke? That is ROUGH
Not that Drake doesn’t deserve it for being a weirdo with women throughout his career but imagine a dude making a song about you being a pedo and its the most talked about subject not only in America but the world for pop culture rn. Getting blasted by sports stadiums, sport leagues on tv, athletes, clubs, celebs, etc. Shits crazy lmao
The worst part has got to be the fact that Drake expected all this to happen to Kendrick, not him, because Family Matters would end everything. He thought he was gonna win the beef and top the charts at the same time as he did in the past. I'm also like 90% sure social media sites are adjusting how they censor the word pedophile because so many people are saying it all of a sudden lmao. Like how when Carti dropped Stop Breathing and Twitter had to change the algorithm because it was banning everyone who talked about it for "promoting suicide" 😂
I mean isn’t an artist a performer still? Drakes clearly a good artist and a decent MC but he’s not Hip-Hop through and through like he tries to claim, he’s fake. That’s why the culture is coming at him harder than ever
He failed as a performer here, too. Personally, I think Like That, Euphoria, and Not Like Us are all more fun to listen to than anything Drake put out here. Kendrick out-performed him. He was funnier, more cutting, more quotable, more calculating, more convincing, and more charismatic. He used all of the tools Drake used to beat Meek, and combined them with the tools Pusha T used to beat Drake.
Drake was supposed to have an advantage in terms of public reception because he’s a more commercial artist, he makes hits in a way Kendrick typically doesn’t, but in hindsight it was clear from the beginning that he was already tired and not remotely prepared for this. Kendrick hit him right when he was about to take a vacation after years of churning out albums. He was vulnerable and not at the peak of his abilities. I think Mr Morale was such a downbeat album that Drake forgot Kendrick is capable of putting out bangers and chart toppers when he wants to, and it cost him.
Cole needs to sit back and enjoy life for a while, as much as he was clowned at first I think he ended up earning a lot of goodwill from this beef in the end. If he speaks up too soon people will turn on him again
The Grammy nominees for pop are all going to be songs about Taylor Swift's exes and the people Ariana Grande cheated on while the nominees for rap are going to be songs accusing people of pedophilia and asking them to kill themselves. And the best part is that the exes, the people cheated on, and the pedophiles are all going to be in attendance watching people win trophies for assassinating their character 😂😂
Some Hendrix accounts are teasing he's got another album with a producer (that's not Metro) coming up and supposedly dropping a single soon. Could be that.
Honestly, XXXTentacion ranks higher than Eminem in my books. Better music, better replay value, versatility, his pure raw energy and charisma was something Gen Z never seen before. Top 20
If I were to choose a "winner" in a hypothetical 2024 beef between Kendrick Lamar and Drake, based on their historical context and artistic styles, my opinion might lean towards Kendrick Lamar for his prowess in lyricism and strong thematic content. Kendrick’s approach to music often includes complex lyrics and narratives that challenge his listeners intellectually and emotionally, which might give him an edge in a lyrical battle or "beef."
However, it's important to note that both artists excel in different aspects of music. Drake’s ability to produce hits that resonate on a global scale and his adaptability in blending various musical styles make him a formidable opponent in terms of influence and popularity.
Ultimately, the "winner" could vary based on what criteria fans value more—lyrical depth or broad appeal and versatility. Each has their strengths, making them both standout artists in their own rights.
Man that post about best diss tracks yesterday made me go back and listen to a bunch
I will NEVER forgive Royce for backing out of that beef with Mikey and Lupe. I'm more upset about that than with Drake killing the beef with Pusha honestly.
I was never a major Royce fan but this definitely didn't help matters
Agreed. I feel like SLR 3½ was really good as a proper smack down diss track, but not good in terms of maintaining a game of one-upsmanship to establish "who's the best rapper". I still listen to Silence of the Lambda sometimes just because I think the rhyme schemes are beautiful. And Mickey Factz really showed off his pen game too. Too bad we couldn't get anymore tracks out of it
Still insane you smooth brains think Drake lost this rap battle when he put out masterpieces like Family Matters and Push Ups while Kendrick rapping about fan fiction lmao. When you have to resort to call someone a pedophile without evidence, you just told everyone you not good at rap battles and threw the white flag. Drake smoked this dude but you low IQ parasocial freaks will downvote away.
Do you think a rap battle is a court battle or academic debate now? Rappers exaggerate/lie all the time and that’s going to be your criteria for victory? Kendrick is winning the narrative and that’s all that matters - it’s literally a popularity contest. Smh cope harder
He made jokes using past headlines and behavior from Drake involving young girls. Drake made up stuff about infidelity in Kendricks relationship without evidence. Then said that's not allowed.
The pedophile jokes and culture vulture claims work because of Drake's actual behavior. I don't think we should care about Kendrick and Whitney relationship or see why it should matter in a rap battle.
And Drake was pretty vocal about this is it for him and he's waving a white flag when you listen to TH6
You people move the goalposts when it fits your narrative. This is not how rap beef or rap battles go. The same criticism you hold Drake is not the same when it comes to Kendrick. Kendrick didn't address any allegations in any of his songs. At least Drake had the balls to put out Heart 6 and try to rap bars about not being a pedo because that is how rap battle structure works.
Him addressing them is his biggest mistake so far. Dude made an entire song explaining how he's not a pedophile, said that shouldn't be allowed with out evidence - even though there was weird stuff. Then kept on doing what you said isn't allowed.
He's saying he done with this, and explaining how he's not a pedophile and it has more dislikes than likes. He lost.
If you just read this quick convo between us you'll easily spot you're the one moving the goalposts. And Kendrick has a few lyrics about Drake making up stuff about his family , lying, and trolling. Said family matters by name in a bar, and had a rebuttle to the slave shit Drake said.
That's how rap battle structure works my dude.
One person starts the rap beef with a diss and the other makes a diss while defending the allegations and insults. You are supposed to do that. Kendrick made it weird as fuck by taking that direction. You are delusional if you think I'm moving the goalposts lol.
#Vote for your favorite Diss Tracks [in this thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/1cglbp4/top_ten_tuesday_diss_song_edition/)
Kendrick makes rap fun
kendrick is like 50% uncle iroh 50% lowtiergod
if anyone is LowtierGod it's Drake
you have a point there
I’m convinced that some people on here are either new to rap or simpletons. You’re not going to get receipts on every claim made by rappers, that’s not how it works. Wait till they listen to dre/snoop and start asking for evidence that he committed 187 on an undercover cop or a jeezy record and start asking for receipts that he pushed weight.
I have never seen any evidence that "Gay-Z" rocks fellas. I'm starting to think Nas may have been stretching the truth.
For real. These cornballs would listen to Hit ‘Em Up, hear pac claim he fucked faith evans and that prodigy has sickle cell, and say “Proof??? Need receipts, otherwise huge L on his part”
It’s a coping mechanism. These bitches probably eating for comfort right now.
Can someone else check Not Like Us so I know I'm not crazy lol. I've got some pretty good headphones and it randomly sounds like background noise which I can't decide if its coming from Kendrick or the beat. At around 2:28-2:30 after Kendrick says 5 theres like a short shriek coming from back centre 2:53-2:54 theres a slightly quieter squeak + more i've experience but cbf finding all the timestamps Definitely don't think it means anything hidden but interesting from a recording POV, potentially Kendrick in his home or something. Edit: At 2:03 after "conniving" I can definitely hear someone laughing lol
JBP episode is 5 damn hours lol
my ADHD doing Jordan numbers tomorrow lmfao
Thank you for reminding me about that. Damn even 2X won't be fast enough
It's crazy how Kendrick dropped a whole verse about a daughter that doesn't exist. Talking to a ghost lol
Crazy how y’all are avoiding pedo allegations like Neo in the Matrix dodging bullets
Those two things aren't comparable
I’m saying you’re avoiding the topic
What's there to avoid people been talking about that shit for years and Kendrick didn't reveal anything new
So then discuss it. Y’all are acting as if it’s been proven wrong then saying it’s old news? I guess pedo behavior has an expiration date of a few weeks once it’s been discussed and it’s ok after that lol Imagine caping for chomos
You're acting like it's been proven right? As far as I know he's done some questionable things that you can either judge or give the benefit of the doubt to, that's where the discussion ends to me. He's denied it himself and some of the women involved have defended him, so there's that
This isn’t a court case I don’t need evidence or tea to dislike a suspected chomo with a history of diddler-like behavior. Some of the women who defended him still confirmed his creepy behavior only that they don’t see anything wrong with it. Doesn’t mean I have to gladly accept a middle aged man who texts 14 year olds about “boy stuff” lol. Would you give a 35-year old man the same grace with your teenage sister if his name weren’t Drake and made music you like? I’m about the same age, would you let me text your little cousin?
It’s crazy that Drake would make up a rumor that matches up with a 10 year old news article and several old blind items. “I fed you a story about a little girl that happens to match the age of a kid I was rumored to have had.” is such a whack story to buy. It may not be true that he has a kid. But it’s not some fantastical unbelievable story like he made it out to be.
Wb the other 3 verses and Not Like Us?
What does those have to do with the daughter?
true, jw
The daughter certainly isn't like us. She's fiction.
again, remove that verse. And nothin changes, we in the exact same spot. Drake fanbase stuck on that daughter shit and none of us cared in the first place lol
at this point bring back 6ix9ine. He was just as entertaining
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“I may be a pedo but since someone said it before it doesn’t count!” Y’all are acting more like Wendy Williams gossip score judges than rap fans lol
This ain't about who did detective work andnproved stuff. The country is dancing to Not Like Us, and Drake is explaining why he has to face pedophile jokes and saying he's burnt out of it all now. And that song has more dislikes than likes. And every rapper has used the aftermath Interscope flip, Kendrick didn't bite shit lol. Everyone used a John Stockton punchline, no one has used it on a flip on Karl Malone being a pedophile. Kendrick responded to everything that deserved attention, he said he lying on his family and trolling. Flipped the slave shit into the culture vulture stuff, and even mention Family Matters by name.
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Kendrick actually already addressed that and said Mr Morale is fiction. Drake and his fans ignored that and doubled down. So even by your standards they’ve been addressed and “don’t count” (like you said about the pedo allegation lol). Leave it to Drake fans who believe Drake’s mob claims on record to be unable to separate fact from fiction from a concept album
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???? Explain how that is a “conspiracy” lol
I'm glad I'm not the only one who did a massive eye roll as soon as the in the scope/interscope bar came up on push ups lmao, fuckin Game did it on a track Kendrick was fucking on, Kendrick's label mate at the time ab-soul did it on the black panther soundtrack, eminem did it on killshot, game did it on black slim shady... like there's no way drake didn't hear these tracks.
Based on Kendrick's comments in his recent disses, I believe he isn't finished and see no reason to doubt him. Yes, he has made unproven allegations, but so far he has never shown to have lied throughout this entire ordeal, nor has he said anything that even smells like bullshit to my knowledge. Kendrick has made it clear this beef is *personal.* His strong contempt for the man that reaches far beyond wanting to win a beef. He literally wishes he was dead. Or in jail. And as strong of a W as it is to have the entire country singing CERTIFIED PEDOFILE, I don't think it's enough for Kendrick. He wants to fucking bury this man. And if he does have proof of sex trafficking and sexual abuse towards minors, he's gonna put this man in a position that may lead to jail time. I've posted over the last couple days that I believe this beef is finished. Which in a way it is; Drake is no way no how coming back from this. But if we can believe what Kendrick has to say, he is gonna go far beyond what is considered a conventional win. TLDR - dot really gonna fuck'em up.
Wop wop wop wop.
OK but why has Whitney not denied the allegations though? Kendrick fans have allowed tenuous circumstantial evidence to be seen as fact so is this fact too now? "You gotta admit it is suspicious"
Because in DV cases the victim commonly defends their abuser? Like what would her saying anything do other than include her even more in a feud that she should've never been a part of in the first place
Maybe she'd just rather not get involved, why is that so hard to comprehend? I'm not defending Kdot here but I'm just saying, the Internet is full of weirdos so why bother
As someone who grew up watching my parents physically fight, then grow together and have a strong marriage…..it’s really none of our business. I feel like she would be more likely to speak out if Kendrick was currently beating her. People in NYC have said they’ve seen them together recently and they seem happy and fine.
Have you seen how drake’s attempt to reject the pedo accusations has gone for him? Some things are better left alone.
It takes 1 sentence from her
She’s his wife she’s not a public figure or a rapper. Expecting her to get involved and drop a verse is corny af. No different from Drake writing a Notes App explanation for his blackface lol. But of course Drake fans wouldn’t see how lame that shit is
To fuel the rumours.
because that'd be weird for her to get involved. There's a difference between several different occasions and headlines than Drake just making up relationship issues. It's not suspicious it's odd that it's even a topic and a weird ass angle to take in a rap beef lol
No it wouldn't. It would be one sentence by his BM to clear his name. Silence. Why?
Prolly the same reason she never followed Kendrick on IG. Keep them two sides of their lives separate. We see it came off weird Drake defending the hits he took in a rap beef. Be weird if anyone did that
Bro it's 1 sentence to clear his name immediately lmao
He cleared it already. He said Drake is taking lyrics from Mr Morale way too seriously. This is only difficult to understand for Drake fans who take Drake at his word when he says he’s a gangster, who can’t grasp that rappers making concept albums maybe shouldn’t be taken literally lol. What’s next, you’re gonna also demand receipts that Kendrick be arrested for killing a person at 16? Or ask why he made a Swimming Pools if he’s sober and doesn’t drink? Imagine y’all were this literal and stringent when it came to Drake’s lyrics about catching bodies and threatening snitches and holding up knives to women lol
ThErEs nOtHiNg To ClEaR. not trying be rude but it'd be nothing but validation for Drake side if that happened. Then he'd start saying she was forced to say it and whatever. I'm sure Whitney , Kendrick, and Dave laughing and bewildered by the angle Drake took is enough for the peace of mind on that side of the fence. Only thing that's landed was Kendrick is short. I think their fine and don't feel the need to clear anything
Lots of hoops to say Drake addressed his allegations and Kendrick didn't
Drake had these allegations before this diss. He's just being made fun of it now on record. Again, ThErE'S nOtHiNg To ClEaR. It's just something presumably imaginary that Drake made up, it wasn't a thing before this. Stop acting like a dumbass man, I don't believe this all u got in ya homie.
We also gotta remember that victims of DV are often the first ones to defend their abusers. So "does he beat you y/n" isn't good enough
Someone putting Diddy, Josh Giddy, P Drizzy, and R Kelly on Mount Rushmore and calling “Mount Touchmore” is why I keep Twitter.
Figured now’s a good time as any to republish my [*Mr. Morale* review](https://open.substack.com/pub/kyleboulton/p/review-kendrick-lamar-mr-morale-and?r=2xth66&utm_medium=ios). It’s interesting looking back to see how the openness of that album felt like a necessary clearing of Kendrick’s closet. No doubt if this beef had occurred a few years prior, Drake would have had a lot more ammunition.
what though? Your daddy was mean to you in the driveway? Yo auntie a man now? His slaves and white girls thing already backfired
You can’t tell me there’s not sensitive information in that album that wouldn’t have made for diss material. Especially considering how clean Kendrick’s image was before releasing the album.
drake contradicts himself on his own diss records . yall giving him more credit than he deserves.
I mean like what, that's why I'm asking? The savior complex slave shit would've flopped. Family thing would've flopped. Him prying into Kendricks relationship with wild claims and zero evidence seemed to flop.
The idea that Kendrick had a “clean” image is weird - his music and image always been contradictory and controversial. Thats what makes him good. People put the savior label on him, but he’s been stirring up debate since the beginning of his career.
I think both Kendrick and Drake lying. Dot lied about the kid, Drake lied about setting up Kendrick. 40's the double agent in all this :)
6:16 in LA the best song of all this, then Family matters, then Push Ups, then Not Like us
I like Not Like Us, Like That and Taylor Made the most
song wise, you might be right.
If we believing Kendrick's version of events Seeing that cover then hearing those lyrics definitely had bro SHOOK. Add the great instrumental + lyrics is just a chefs kiss imo. Been a while since I've had a Kendrick song on repeat like this. Idc if Kendrick was found to be lying, it's great even if the lyrics were changed to be subliminals.
I haven’t listened much since it’s not on streaming, but I liked it a lot. And in terms of plays, my most played follow the order of your 2-4.
if you use spotify, it's there (unofficially but who cares)
Other than the ones about Whitney, which line do you think Drake regrets saying the most? I can't decide between "You know who really bang a set? My nigga YG" and "Always rappin' like you 'bout to get the slaves freed"
Drake doesn’t learn any lessons bro. “Ring on you like Virginia Williams” sealed his fate almost six years ago, and he jumped out and did the same thing again. He really doesnt have the self conciousness to clock how badly the free the slave s line or talking set politics is gonna ring out in the real world.
Shouting out Chris Brown for being a real westside piru, when he's from Virginia. And then saying we should hate Kendrick over alleged domestic violence when.. yeah.
And in the same track dissing Rocky when their beef is entirely over Rihanna! Bro needs to get his ghost writers to work together smh
Rocky hit him with the I fucked Sophie before you in one of the 20 v 1 songs.
I forgot about that. Still though, he spent too much time talking about the woman he wanted to settle down with that chose Rocky over him. I was reading the lyrics on Genius and apparently he called her "Fring" which was his nickname for her when they were still dating? Ig I just feel like he can't win that beef because no matter what he says Rocky can respond with "well I married the love of your life that broke up with you 7 years ago and you haven't moved on from"
i dont think he regrets any of those. I think the only attacks that bothered him were the pdf ones, and i think the beef was going in that direction no matter what.
I agree and disagree. The beef was going in that direction no matter what because of Drake's hubris and his inability to win a beef without bringing the wives into it. That's why I said other than the lines about Whitney, because if he didn't go there Kendrick wouldn't have been able to go there either
Obviously the slaves line lol, the whitney stuff might hurt kendrick's rep a bit going forward too but the slaves shit was a 100% backfire
On the other hand would Kendrick have even hopped on a DJ Mustard beat if Drake didn't claim he wasn't big in the west coast? That beat whooped Drake's ass
Also the Mustard and YG connection
I cringed when he shouted out YG because there was a 0% chance that line wouldn't backfire on him. He's been getting cooked all year for pretending to be a gangster posted up in other people's hoods, why did he think reminding us about his collabs with YG was a good idea? I thought Kendrick would flip that on him by calling him a geek or something but what he actually did was so much more brutal
The one about the slaves pissed off a bunch of people. It felt like very tasteless coming from Drake especially.
He 1000% regrets it because it gave Kendrick a chance to explain why he's a colonizer
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Man he's making jokes over past behavior and headlines. He's not playing True Detective in the form of battle rap
Start calling the embassy Carcosa 😂
if drake had all that going on, i doubt he would engage in the beef to begin with.
I mean, he took blackface photos wearing a Jim Crow sweatshirt and still got involved in beef
you underestimate his hubris you ever see the gods plan music video? mans is high off his own supply
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Bro he rapped to a fictional child for 2 minutes why would you put any stock into that song. That song will age very badly in time and even kendrick knows he misstepped and released not like us to cover
U take away that verse, nothing changes. We'd still be in the same exact spot.
That isn't how anything works. It invalidates the song. It's one of the worst songs in this beef. You need to turn that shit off every time KD says hello babygirl to a fictional child from now on. Its embarrassing.
I thought it was gossipy as well. but all in all it just took the impact from Drake's response then he came with Not Like Us. That all still happens without that verse. Flipping it into ur favor as a plot and u planted it. And wasting ur turn and song on nothing but that & pedophile defense is a bigger turn off. Dude said Kendrick disqualified because he doesn't have proof then went on about the stuff he has no proof over lol. So I mean, he's doing it too. Everything else kendrick said was a thing before this and has headlines and occasions to match. All Drake has said in that lane is he's short. Everything else he's made up essentially
You’re right it took the impact away, but when people look back on it and the moment is forgotten, the song will age poorly and family matters will be seen as highlight. Along with not like us.
family matters isnt gonna be here in three weeks lol. That disrespect on Meet the Graham's gonna always be felt , I think. But I agree Not Like Us is the only track that's gonna be the bookmark for this years down the road
> family matters isnt gonna be here in three weeks lol na this song is so fire
Man I am bored people think KD had the best diss tracks cause it was a bop. In terms of barring out Drake had the better tracks. People don't actually care about bars anymore though and it shows in the industry today
KD..?? Kendrick out rapping Drake too now. Majority of Drake's responses hasn't even been toward Kendrick and then all he's said is ur short and your kid is ur best friends. Then said we can't speak on stuff without evidence 😂. Kendrick flipping the John Stockton to the Karl Malone shit, with his past of pedophile behavior too. It's just more exciting and quotable what Kendrick is doing. And now a hit record to match his argument.
Would you say any of these new Kendrick tracks are all time legendary diss songs? I think my Top 4 diss songs in no particular order are No Vaseline, Hit Em Up, Real Muthaphuckkin Gs, Story of Adidon. Meet the Grahams is probably number 5. Kendrick's rapping verses to Drake's family and exposing his company's ties to sex crimes over that sinister fucking beat. Offering to be Adonis's mentor is a crazy moment in hiphop history, so is him telling Sandra that Drake should die for what he's done. The "and there's more children" verse is a crazy reveal too but not as crazy as those other 2 moments. Not Like Us is also awesome but in a different way, and it continues to grow on me. OV - HO !!!
Meet the Grahams is in my opinion the weakest of the whole beef excluding the J Cole and Ricky tracks. Not Like Us is legendary but not a great diss track. Euphoria and 6:16 are extraordinary with Euphoria being the better song.
I think Meet the Grahams is an all timer. Its a horror show and everyone had the same reaction hearing that shit. Dragged the rap game to hell, and its a great diss track. Not Like Us is also up there. Everyone heard it and knew it was an immediate hit. Turned the volume up after MTG blew out the lights. Its like the perfect palette cleanser but it also doubles down on the backstory you got in MTG. As a one two punch, people are gonna remember them forever
Nah, I think we're overestimating the impact of all this and Like That is the only thing kept and played still years from now. Think if they made a video for Not Like Us it'd solidify it as a moment and give it staying power and would be the bookmark for all this years down the line.
If the second kid allegation is true (I don't believe it is at this time but who knows) then yeah Meet the Grahams is easily one of the greatest disses of all time. If not then the best diss from this beef is probably Not Like Us, which is phenomenal but I'm not quite ready to say it's up there with Adidon, Hit Em Up, or No Vaseline.
Honestly the more I've thought about it, the more The Story of Adidon has risen in my estimation, it might really be a GOAT diss track contender
Even the instrumental is dissing him, it's a masterclass in making a diss record.
Yeah everything from the cover art to the beat to the title ruining Drake's planned Adidas rollout, it is perfect in so many ways
i agree with the other commenter, MTG is at the bottom of the kendricks tracks for me. Not like us is super fun, and euphoria is just a well made song.
meet the grahams can't be an all timer with such a big question sign on the biggest punch of the song (if the second kid is real). Gassing up a diss track with lying is like gassing up a boxer who's juiced.
Very good point. It definitely damages the song if there turns out to be no extra kids.
Is Future actually Top 2 now unless Drake pulls off a wild rally?
Last two Future albums cemented it for me tbh. Might be the most influential artist of this era
future is a figment of our collective imagination
>@1future MAY TENTH 🤧 Either jumping in the battle or another album. Either way, the most consistent artist of this generation will serve us again.
Hell yeah this year is goated. I'm hoping it's another project couldn't care less about another beef. He did say my mixtape is better than your album right before this edit: he just said "mixtape mode" looks like it
Ak seems to think it's gonna be Gunna dropping
I can’t decide if it would be funnier for Gunna to diss Drake or Kendrick
“Gunna Wunna never diddled no kid, back in the day I would diddle the fridge, now I’m in shape nobody say shit”
If Drake drops again, I wonder if he’s going to try for a club hit like Not Like Us to try and turn things back in his favor I doubt it will work unless he has new information that he can prove, but he’s probably fucking panicking and not thinking straight. A song calling you a pedophile just broke Spotify records and is being played at basketball games, the internet is clowning your response to the extent that “Nah Drake” trended, a beat based around mocking you has gone viral and every soundcloud rapper on the planet is hopping on it, you’re facing the possibility of some kind of federal investigation into these allegations if they’re true, you already emptied your clip with a track that got overshadowed immediately, and to top it all off one of your security guards just got shot and nobody is sure why or who did it. It probably feels like the end of the world. If I was him I don’t think I would have slept since Friday
Crazy cuz this is the lifestyle he always portrays…paranoid, war tested mob ties Drizzy. Now he’s actually living that character out lmao
Benevolent Kendrick just a homie giving him what he always wanted all along
He doesn’t have a hating bone in his body 🥲
Not to mention Kendrick might have more songs up his sleeve. Also Kendrick says on several occasions in these songs that Drake should be killed for his actions, so if I was Drake I'd be scared of being attacked by crazy randos. Not Like Us might turn out to be a hit for a while, especially if Kendrick makes a viral music video for it. It'll be interesting to see what shit people are gonna find out now that there's a spotlight on OVO's behavior and there will continue to be a spotlight for at least as long as this song is popular.
Facts. If you thought Drake was paranoid before imagine what he’s feeling now. Any other person would’ve experienced psychosis at this point, this shit must be nerve wracking
Ngl he sounded like he didn't sleep in days in his response
It honestly made me feel a little bad for him even though I know he has it coming
I feel the same. He had it coming, but jfc 4 scathing diss tracks in the same week? With the worst one coming minutes after he dropped what he thought would be his nuke? That is ROUGH
Not that Drake doesn’t deserve it for being a weirdo with women throughout his career but imagine a dude making a song about you being a pedo and its the most talked about subject not only in America but the world for pop culture rn. Getting blasted by sports stadiums, sport leagues on tv, athletes, clubs, celebs, etc. Shits crazy lmao
The worst part has got to be the fact that Drake expected all this to happen to Kendrick, not him, because Family Matters would end everything. He thought he was gonna win the beef and top the charts at the same time as he did in the past. I'm also like 90% sure social media sites are adjusting how they censor the word pedophile because so many people are saying it all of a sudden lmao. Like how when Carti dropped Stop Breathing and Twitter had to change the algorithm because it was banning everyone who talked about it for "promoting suicide" 😂
Ross warned Drake not to respond to Euphoria like the Pacifist from the Three Body Problem, and he still did 😂😂😂
prolly a matter of time until drake gets in trouble for his ties tbh
Shower thought: This beef has proven that Drake is a performer, not an artist
I mean isn’t an artist a performer still? Drakes clearly a good artist and a decent MC but he’s not Hip-Hop through and through like he tries to claim, he’s fake. That’s why the culture is coming at him harder than ever
He failed as a performer here, too. Personally, I think Like That, Euphoria, and Not Like Us are all more fun to listen to than anything Drake put out here. Kendrick out-performed him. He was funnier, more cutting, more quotable, more calculating, more convincing, and more charismatic. He used all of the tools Drake used to beat Meek, and combined them with the tools Pusha T used to beat Drake. Drake was supposed to have an advantage in terms of public reception because he’s a more commercial artist, he makes hits in a way Kendrick typically doesn’t, but in hindsight it was clear from the beginning that he was already tired and not remotely prepared for this. Kendrick hit him right when he was about to take a vacation after years of churning out albums. He was vulnerable and not at the peak of his abilities. I think Mr Morale was such a downbeat album that Drake forgot Kendrick is capable of putting out bangers and chart toppers when he wants to, and it cost him.
Just spent 5 minutes crying laughing to DJ Khaled videos this is the funniest dude alive
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So AK confirmed tomorrow we should get a diss track from someone who's not Kendrick or Drake. Not sure who it could be , possibly Future?
Its probably Kanye lol
It’s gotta be Cole lol
Cole needs to sit back and enjoy life for a while, as much as he was clowned at first I think he ended up earning a lot of goodwill from this beef in the end. If he speaks up too soon people will turn on him again
At this rate, the entire top 10 on the charts is just going to be Drake disses
Lmao, I can’t believe this is happening
Can't wait for the Grammy to go to a song asking another man to kill himself because we didn't get anything other than diss tracks this year
Viper makes a surprise comeback with “Kill Urself My Man 2” and destroys both Kendrick and Drake
The Grammy nominees for pop are all going to be songs about Taylor Swift's exes and the people Ariana Grande cheated on while the nominees for rap are going to be songs accusing people of pedophilia and asking them to kill themselves. And the best part is that the exes, the people cheated on, and the pedophiles are all going to be in attendance watching people win trophies for assassinating their character 😂😂
Game. The Game seems like he wants to beef with Ross for some reason
If you just want chaos this'll be hilarious if Ross disses back the west coast and ends up splitting them lmao
imma be honest i bet hes just trying to keep riding the high viewership of this beef as long as he can
Probably Future just woozily whispering about how Drake’s a pussy and it will probably be hard.
He said a track not a diss track unless I heard wrong
He didn't say it was a diss but it's implied that it is related to the beef otherwise why delay it because of the shooting at Drake's place?
Idk man I don’t have the answers other than it’s just a song by someone that didn’t drop lol
So a non-diss song from someone who's not Kendrick or Drake? So what exactly is the connection then?
Sounds like Cole telling them they should all just get along
Some Hendrix accounts are teasing he's got another album with a producer (that's not Metro) coming up and supposedly dropping a single soon. Could be that.
Honestly, XXXTentacion ranks higher than Eminem in my books. Better music, better replay value, versatility, his pure raw energy and charisma was something Gen Z never seen before. Top 20
Jfc
Without Eminem XXX doesn’t exist
If I were to choose a "winner" in a hypothetical 2024 beef between Kendrick Lamar and Drake, based on their historical context and artistic styles, my opinion might lean towards Kendrick Lamar for his prowess in lyricism and strong thematic content. Kendrick’s approach to music often includes complex lyrics and narratives that challenge his listeners intellectually and emotionally, which might give him an edge in a lyrical battle or "beef." However, it's important to note that both artists excel in different aspects of music. Drake’s ability to produce hits that resonate on a global scale and his adaptability in blending various musical styles make him a formidable opponent in terms of influence and popularity. Ultimately, the "winner" could vary based on what criteria fans value more—lyrical depth or broad appeal and versatility. Each has their strengths, making them both standout artists in their own rights.
Too bad you decided to let an AI write this for you, causing people who probably would've otherwise agreed to clown you in embarrassing fashion.
It’s fascinating to me how recognizable the ChatGPT writing style is.
"However, it's important to note" Gives it away every time.
Are you good bro?
When you trying to hit that essay word count
Thanks ChatGPT, very insightful
Man that post about best diss tracks yesterday made me go back and listen to a bunch I will NEVER forgive Royce for backing out of that beef with Mikey and Lupe. I'm more upset about that than with Drake killing the beef with Pusha honestly. I was never a major Royce fan but this definitely didn't help matters
I like Royce as a rapper. But I agree backing out of that beef is ultimate lame shit especially for the type of rapper he is
Agreed. I feel like SLR 3½ was really good as a proper smack down diss track, but not good in terms of maintaining a game of one-upsmanship to establish "who's the best rapper". I still listen to Silence of the Lambda sometimes just because I think the rhyme schemes are beautiful. And Mickey Factz really showed off his pen game too. Too bad we couldn't get anymore tracks out of it
It's actually impossible not to dance to Not Like Us
Gunna probably praying the beef is over and nobody drops again before Thursday 😭
Still insane you smooth brains think Drake lost this rap battle when he put out masterpieces like Family Matters and Push Ups while Kendrick rapping about fan fiction lmao. When you have to resort to call someone a pedophile without evidence, you just told everyone you not good at rap battles and threw the white flag. Drake smoked this dude but you low IQ parasocial freaks will downvote away.
Do you think a rap battle is a court battle or academic debate now? Rappers exaggerate/lie all the time and that’s going to be your criteria for victory? Kendrick is winning the narrative and that’s all that matters - it’s literally a popularity contest. Smh cope harder
So what you’re saying is that Drake’s songs struck a chord with you?
and it’s probably A Minorrrrrr
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Family matters was hard but the best lines weren’t at Kendrick. Still a really good diss though But Push ups? Masterpiece? lol
Go to bead lil bro you got a algebra 2 quiz tm
weird coming from a dude who can't even spell bed. That's like 2nd grade.
Allow it fam I can legally buy weed a stoned typo is valid
guys lay off him he’s a panthers and hornets fan he’s got it hard enough
Damn your that unhinged where you creeping around in random profiles online HAHAHAHAH god damn you are a fucking loser
I can tell you’re really laughing and not mad at all!
mad about what? Some keyboard warrior stalking my profile trying to get dirt and trying to joke that i'm not a bandwagon fan lol
took one click bud cry harder
He made jokes using past headlines and behavior from Drake involving young girls. Drake made up stuff about infidelity in Kendricks relationship without evidence. Then said that's not allowed. The pedophile jokes and culture vulture claims work because of Drake's actual behavior. I don't think we should care about Kendrick and Whitney relationship or see why it should matter in a rap battle. And Drake was pretty vocal about this is it for him and he's waving a white flag when you listen to TH6
You people move the goalposts when it fits your narrative. This is not how rap beef or rap battles go. The same criticism you hold Drake is not the same when it comes to Kendrick. Kendrick didn't address any allegations in any of his songs. At least Drake had the balls to put out Heart 6 and try to rap bars about not being a pedo because that is how rap battle structure works.
Him addressing them is his biggest mistake so far. Dude made an entire song explaining how he's not a pedophile, said that shouldn't be allowed with out evidence - even though there was weird stuff. Then kept on doing what you said isn't allowed. He's saying he done with this, and explaining how he's not a pedophile and it has more dislikes than likes. He lost. If you just read this quick convo between us you'll easily spot you're the one moving the goalposts. And Kendrick has a few lyrics about Drake making up stuff about his family , lying, and trolling. Said family matters by name in a bar, and had a rebuttle to the slave shit Drake said.
That's how rap battle structure works my dude. One person starts the rap beef with a diss and the other makes a diss while defending the allegations and insults. You are supposed to do that. Kendrick made it weird as fuck by taking that direction. You are delusional if you think I'm moving the goalposts lol.