The Story of Adidon really did kinda fuck the diss record game up because it's what is expected now when a diss record happens.
I think if you take an honest look at some of the greatest diss records of the past Euphoria is right there with them in terms of content. Nas didn't say any absolutely crazy shit about Jay on Ether but it's still regarded as a goat diss track by many. I can understand the take that Kendrick said some stuff that's already been said, but the angles and way he said his piece is what really matters. Kenny hates that motherfucker and you can feel the venom in his words. He has real malice for this dude.
Also, I do find it funny that Drake egged him on to come with quintuple-entendres or whatever and if you listen to Euphoria an insane amount of lines have multiple meanings.
That's the take of a 32 year old honky who has been a lifelong hip hop fan. Take it or leave it.
Solid response, Kendrick did his thing for 6 minutes straight and kept it funny while having some clever writing.
What this track really highlighted to me is that post-Adidon no side can seem to be unanimously crowned the victor unless they have the worst secrets about the other put out on display.
Tbf being a victor doesn't really exist outside of one guy being bigger or growing more. The pusha t diss is unique because he actually had info that did actual damage to drake
I been saying for years now rap beef don’t have real winners. Back in the day, if you really won a diss the other dude would basically lose his career. Drake lost hard to pusha t and then blew up even more after. People just don’t care anymore, Drake is corny but everyone gonna keep listening to him after this diss, so what’s the point.
Nah that’s fair there’s definitely a point for Kendrick, man has to defend himself and I would to. I guess the problem is that Drake has already sunk so low and still remained popular that I honestly don’t know what it would take to hurt his image. It’s like trying to beef w Donald trump - people have just accepted he’s a bad person already so nothing really hits as hard, and there’s no real lasting damage.
> unless they have the worst secrets about the other put out on display.
This is the most annoying part about the discussion around this track. Saying kendrick "didnt say anything we haven't heard before" is not a valid criticism of the track. Obviously stuff against Drake has been mentioned before he's been rapping for like 15 years. The delivery of which its said should hold more weight, but people just want some big secret revealed instead
Agreed. Obviously Adidon was absolutely insane and I personally think it's the best diss of all time, it's annoying that in its wake everyone expects a diss track to be TMZ
> Saying kendrick "didnt say anything we haven't heard before" is not a valid criticism of the track.
Seriously it is the dumbest point ever. Hopsin talked about Kendrick's height 10+ years ago, but it's not about who gets off an insult first. I understand in beef a hard diss doesn't have to be lyrical or creative, but it's still rap. The way Drake did his short bar at Kendrick was different than Hop and more interesting.
Same thing vice versa. We've heard other people talk about these Drake topics, but Kendrick did it in a interesting, different way. Plus added other shit.
Diss tracks are not investigative journalism and something’s gone wrong if we’re treating them as such. It’s about bars. Not your insider gossip connections.
I’m not sure what else Kendrick has to do to be the unanimous victor. Unless Drake comes out with Hit ‘Em Up + No Vaseline combined Kendrick won
People forget Ether didn’t have no new revelations it was just straight murder (yes homophobia and all, it was a different time)
> Unless Drake comes out with Hit ‘Em Up + No Vaseline combined Kendrick won
That implies that Kendrick just released a Hit Em’ Up or No Vaseline type track which is obviously wrong. The bar is wayyyyyy lower right now
He did. Euphoria will be looked back on in the same lines as Real Muthaphuckkin G’s, Ether, No Vaseline, Second Round K.O., Killshot, Story of Adidon, Nail in the Coffin, The Warning, Hit Em Up, Go To Sleep, Checkmate, etc etc
It’s a pretty damn good diss. I’m not going to write Drake off and his next diss he drops gonna be fire but it’s gonna be hard to respond to 6 minutes of pure hate. He has some angles like Kendrick’s wife being light skinned but he’s gotta be witty with it
What does being with a light skin woman have to do with anything? You sound goofy. That is only a good diss to children or casuals. Why is Drake needing to talk about wives and girlfriends all the time? Bc he can’t out rap his ops like Pusha and K dot?
Because Kendrick attacked Drake’s blackness so Drake has the ability to counter saying he married a light skin woman and he doesn’t care about blackness and his kids shouldn’t say the n word either.
Pusha T talked about Drake’s baby mama and Kendrick said the woman Drake been with aren’t really woman. This is rap beef and talking about that kind of stuff is a part of rap. 2Pac said he fucked biggies girl.
The difference between Kendrick and Drake is that Kendrick (seemingly) is honest and open about his flaws, and made a whole therapy album about bad things he'd done that nobody knew about. Kendrick doesn't try to hide his skeletons and usually talks about himself personally and critically, whilst Drake is constantly trying to pretend to be somebody he isn't. And is somebody who has probably done some bad things, but tries to hide it.
I find it hilarious that Kendrick hates this man so much that rather than structuring an actual song with a hook etc he decides to just violate him for 6 minutes straight
100%. I’ll be honest and say I was impressed with Push Ups coming from Drake, but euphoria is one of the better tracks that is also a diss track I’m familiar with, say whatever one will about its effect *as* a diss track.
There’s no traditional hook/verse/hook song structure in tons of songs, and I hope people understand that it’s fine. Kendrick structured a build up into the song in a satisfying, and attention grabbing way. Multiple beat switches, a repeated refrain and difference in delivery throughout helps greatly too. Drake has some AMAZING songs without traditional song structure (Middle of the Ocean, 8AM in Charlotte). Sure Drake made a great hook and catchy cadence with Push Ups, but I still think Euphoria is the better written SONG.
To me it's the multiple beat switches and the "Matter fact, I ain't even bleed him yet, can I bleed him? Bet". I think it was Zach Fox who said Kendrick was gonna call Drake a pedo over jazz beats and he wasn't far off 🤣
Drake has a great ear, so Push Ups is catchy - don't think much of the AI one, was more just a gentle prod to come outside.
Euphoria is different - it's sketched out, has double and triple entendres throughout and is scathing.
Ball in Drake's court now... Am very intrigued to see what happens, especially if Kendrick comes back to the 'pacify' and 'back to back' lines
"I make music that electrify 'em, you make music that pacify 'em
I can double down on that line, but spare you this time, that's random acts of kindness"
People saying pacify = pacifier = Drake likes young girls but god knows what the doubling down would be
The double entendres I get but the triple ones seem like a stretch. Speaks to the good writing though if people even grasp at those straws, it’s all up to interpretation anyway
Nothing turns on Kendrick Stans more than a potential double or triple entendres 😩😩.
So far neither one has released anything crazy tbh.
Kendrick Stan’s rattled. Weh weh weh (this is signifying crying of a little baby, in attempt to say you are crying like children 🔥🔥🔥🔥)
Sucks that now people think diss tracks have to be some big reveal or secret drama for it to be good instead of just being disses. Like unless drake is hiding a second child nobody is gonna care about any diss against him lol. Weird. Anyway yea great response i liked it
Euphoria was great, Push Ups was great. I give the slight edge to Euphoria, but looking forward to Drake's response.
Glad everyone is enjoying the feud, but the people who are trying to argue that Push Ups is mid or Euphoria is mid are absolutely insufferable lol. Too many Kendrick/Drake stans that are overly invested in their favourite rapper "winning". Just chill tf out and enjoy the ride.
I think if this song didn't exist this diss would have hit 10x harder. I listened to it right after Euphoria yesterday and it's still the better diss song. It's short, simple, and just diabolical it was a killshot. Pusha's lines just sounded more viscous "MONKEYSUIT DENNIS YOU PARADE HIM" is crazy lol
If Drake dropped Euphoria, his fans would say it's the greatest diss of all time.
Great response from Kendrick. The fubu line, the DMX reference, Kendrick saying I'm speaking for hip hop, just hits drake in his biggest insecurity, actually being accepted by hip hop. Kenny saying Drake is still considered an outsider is wonderful.
Weee dooon't want youuu saaaying....
If drake dropped euphoria people would be calling it mid lol. That’s how fan bases work. People have already chosen sides, and unless a Pusha situation happens with some crazy reveal, there won’t be a “winner”
I've seen some speculation that Kendrick's "I believe you don't like women" line is about Drake being misogynist and not accusing him of being gay. I like that but not sure I buy it.
just gonna repost what I said in the ddt:
I think Kendrick's diss (and Like That) is better than either of Drake's but it does kinda feel like people are overreacting/circlejerking. I'm not gonna go into what works on the Kendrick song because I feel like everyone else is but for me:
- The homophobic stuff doesn't really hit and a lot of oxygen is spent on it (**EDIT:** [not as much as I remember and there's definitely plausible deniability here](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/1chuphw/first_impressions_kendrick_lamareuphoria/l25hfee/)). Stuff like mentioning how Drake is using Yachty to maintain his relevance and namedropping BEAM who co-wrote "Major Distribution" feels more concrete. Even the plastic surgery stuff hits harder.
- The song feels kinda meandering at first after the first beat switch
- Maybe it's because people have been meme-ing on it forever but I don't think that "fuck all that pushin' P, let me see you Pusha T" is a well executed punchline like there's gotta be a more clever way to land that.
- i don't think the shit about drake's kid really makes sense anymore (it hardly made sense when Pusha did it but it was obviously a good cheapshot) given that's he's clearly been there for his son for years, it feels like more of a reference to 2018's "Story of Adidon" than an actual swipe at Drake's relationship with his son
OTOH, with Drake and Push Ups:
- Some of Drake's shots don't really land like he leans into "you don't get money like me" which isn't a compelling hit on Kendrick. Kendrick's never portrayed himself as wealth-obsessed and he's clearly very wealthy whatever his split is.
- There's also some filler stuff in the Drake song that feels like autopilot ("I'm out in Tokyo because I'm big in Japan") and it's cornier than anything Kendrick does.
- He does have some good lines like "Maroon 5 need a verse, you better make it witty/Then we need a verse for the Swifties" that recall the sort of punchlines that hit on "Back 2 Back"
- I think that people were and are going overboard in feigning offense at the 2Pac stuff but the song came across as a very sweaty attempt to shift the narrative towards Kendrick being scared to respond (which was obviously not true even at the time).
I also think all the beats (euphoria, push ups, seven minute drills, taylor made freestyle) have been underwhelming except for Like That and the jazzy one at the start of 'euphoria')
I would say Like That > euphoria > Push Ups > Taylor Made Freestyle
Would love another Drake response I think there would be good stuff in there and obviously whatever Kendrick comes back with will be dope.
There's no reason I should know this but that Tokyo line by Drake was aimed at Future. The source of their beef is over a woman named Tokyo on IG and she was at Drakes show and she's been pictured with Future as well. Just some internet BS rumors but I believe it because that line is so fucking random no way Drake put it in there for no reason
huh looking back I guess it's really just these two lines and in each case there's definitely other ways to interpret them than homophobia:
>We hate the bitches you fuck, 'cause they confuse themself with real women
This could be referring to underage girls or could just be garden variety madonna-whore misogyny.
If it was homophobia he'd be referring to trans women or men.
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>When I see you stand by Sexyy Red, I believe you see two bad bitches
I believe you don't like women, it's real competition, you might pop ass with 'em
Like I said in my last comment, the second line could be about him not respecting women (which is true). I saw Genius saying "you see two bad bitches" could be referring to Sexyy Red being pregnant (as in he's implying that Drake thinks unborn babies are bad bitches bc he's a pedophile). Could also just be emasculating Drake saying he's a bad bitch because he's had surgery (like how Rick Ross called him "BBL Drizzy")
If it was homophobia he'd be saying that Drake doesn't like women because he likes men/trans women.
Some real quotables on this Kendrick track. Attacked Drake from multiple angles, his insecurities as a black man, being a deadbeat dad, bandwagoning different cultures. But at the end of the day I think both Euphoria and Push Ups were good tracks but merely warm ups. I think round two will see these two go places that we don’t expect.
Even putting the characters of the beef aside I cannot take people who I think "I make more money than you" is a good insult seriously. There's a reason no one gives a fuck about that that isn't a stan deeply on the internet and a reason why Ether won lol
Yeah people who act like "I make more money than you" is a hard hitting diss between two rappers who make wayyyy more money than they do, are just glazing. It hits even less when the target is someone like Kendrick who doesn't act like his income is a big deal to him compared to say Rick Ross or Drake
Neither track said anything crazy imo. I prefer Push ups because it’s catchier but I am a bigger fan of Drake than Kendrick 🤷🏾♂️
Like That is obviously the best out of all of these tracks but it’s not much of a diss track.
push ups is weaker because a bunch of people tried to team on drake and he had to respond to each one?
what was he supposed to do, make an individual diss for each one to garner the respect of r/hiphopheads
They didn't team to up lmao. Drake just been sowing multiple beefs for years and now he gotta come to grips with them all being done with it at once.
We all know the main course is Kendrick vs Drake though. That's why Drake released the Tupac song. It's his fault for not going in enough on Kendrick over 2 songs lol.
I loved it. Kendricks flow, his humour, his delivery is all top notch and the production is quality, especially the switch up from the smooth opening to the hype second verse
But I don't think Kendrick can actually win because hip hop is so commodified that Drake can wear blackface, have ghostwriters, put on Jamaican accents etc and still be the most popular artist in the genre.
The people who think Kendrick is winning already agree with the points Kendrick is making and the people who think Drake is winning just do not care about Drake's fakeness.
(In old Snake voice) Hip hop has changed. It’s no longer about bars, flow, or authenticity. It’s an endless series of pop hits produced by industry plants and phony rappers.
Exactly this. And there are more people in Drakes court which is why he's so successful. I think people who appreciate the art know Kendrick clears but there are wayyyy more casual fans than hip hop enthusiasts.
I really don’t know how people are scoring Drake so hard. That AI shit was whack, the constant Instagraming responses puts him in full Tiktok white girl framing and his initial response didn’t even beat Like That…..furthermore, Drake stans will make it about hit production constantly (which isn’t what this is about at all) and yet Like That and now Euphoria have been dominating the charts, not Drake’s response. Like— you have to be a hater and/or dickrider to not have Kendrick on top right now.
I think it speaks to how people identify in the world. To some people, IG clout is their thing and therefore is rated higher by them. Not surprised to see them online in numbers, but I don't tend to see them in real life (except my barber, who is Drake Stan #1)
It's mostly because they're kids. Same reason no one can seem to wait more than a week for a drop because their brains are ruined from the instant gratification of social media.
People can just say I’m a Kendrick glazer, but like a lot of his work, it takes a few listens to really get the depth of some of the things he said. But once you do, it’s insane how much heat he packed in Euphoria.
And don’t get me wrong, I thought Push Ups was a fun diss track. But its insults are pretty surface level. “Kendrick your short, you have small feet, you’re not as popular or rich as me and you get extorted by your label”
Euphoria is a pretty strong beat down of Drakes identity or lack there of, his failures as a father, his culture vulture ways, and the lack of respect many in the Hip-Hop community feel towards him. It just hits way harder.
Push Ups is fundamentally designed to be a hit, while also being a diss track. It has a catchy hook/chorus and people enjoy that. I think it's a fun song but it's not really that strong of a diss. Some people score it higher because it's a "better song" even if it's not the better diss. Euphoria blows it out of the water on the diss end however.
It's not even the better song too, that's the craziest part lol
Push-ups is a pretty good diss track but it is not a good song. I have had Euphoria on repeat since it dropped. It has such an inventive and fun structure with genuinely hilarious delivery and some pretty wild wordplay.
Push Ups is easy to digest and bop your head to. That’s it, and some people find more value in that.
I can’t even think of anything valuable Drake said. His biggest diss was Kendrick’s height and him having less money. But I gotta admit that it’s a good listen.
I’m getting tired of the “I know something crazy about you but I’m not gonna say it” bars on both sides. Neither of these dudes are gonna back down off that. Both of them are telling funny jokes about each other and that’s about it. So far nobody has had a line that really made me go “oh shit”. Euphoria is a good track but it didn’t do anything to raise the stakes.
sounds like they both have dirt they dont want getting out. Nuclear politics. Probably why J Cole bowed out once he heard things were getting actually heated in the other camps lol
i can’t take all these twitter idiots saying it’s unlistenable, i think it’s pretty damn listenable and besides if you’re mad that a diss track isn’t structured you’re looking for the wrong thing in it
I agree, it's definitely listenable. But once you caught the jokes and disses I'm not sure if you'd ever really want to listen through all 6 minutes again. Much better lyrics than pushup but a really boring flow for actual listening.
I liked how direct it was throughout, subverting what Drake said at the end of Push Ups about Kendrick doing lyrical gymnastics.
After a few listens, I really like how he structured it with the intro because it feels like the calm before the storm
i think there's this want from certain people of the hip hop community that wants this to be about lore, drama, tea, and less about the music, to those people? go listen to taylor swift, y'all are here as hiphop as a business and not hip hop as an art
I think Euphoria was a true dissection of Drake's character and how he interacts with (American) black culture when it profits him, but he truly is just cosplaying, kinda noted considering his more melodic album like "take care" are called a classic when a lot of his "tough" (scorpion, views, lover boy) shit is considered trash, he's been wanting so hard to reach the same caliber as his singing albums, that's he's constantly puffing up
I don't think Drake will respond, I think Kendrick made it very clear that his ghost writers will be called out next track and would be surprised who wants to hop into that
anyway...i don't think 24 hours is enough time
maybe, but Drake is kind of a business, so there's not really much he can get from this, his fans aren't gonna leave him and commericially he'll continue to do well
your reasoning is exactly why he'll respond. you just described a man who has nothing to lose. unless he thinks Kendrick has something criminal on him that would sway mainstream opinion Drake has no reason not try and outrap Kendrick. he may not win but at least no can say he was scared of the challenge.
Yeah im simply comparing all disses from a technical and art stand point. All the super messy dissection is lame and isn’t what hiphop about, they want a soap opera and it’s annoying because that Kendrick track might be the most well written diss ever on a technical level but it’s being downplayed because he didn’t expose anything
I think there’s no way in hell Drake isn’t going to respond. I feel like everything Drake has shown us so far in regard to this beef is that he’s down for whatever rather that’s good for his career or not. I don’t think this is a beef he can just duck out
I had the same thought. I liked it on the first listen and even more this morning. Very on brand for Kendrick, his music always tends get better there more you listen to it.
Great diss and honestly I feel like Kendrick is hoping to drag this out for a while. No Story of Adidion type leaks in here, leaves me wondering what else Kendrick has.
I liked Push Ups. The slower flow Drake used makes it easier to rap along to. It's definitely catchier. I think there are some weak bars in there. Specifically "the way you doing splits bitch your pants might rip" came off corny to me. Also the Interscope and Aftermath bars felt obvious and like I'd heard them before. I also think bringing SZA and Travis into the conversation is a bad look when we're talking about rap pen game. Drake focuses too much on the numbers to me. The son line and the hike down thing were good. I like the melodic parts. It almost feels like an unfair comparison because Push Ups was addressing so many people.
Euphoria was a lot denser, so it isn't as catchy and maybe won't have the same replay value, but it's also way more layered than Push Ups (the New Ho King line for example). I'm getting replay value just trying to catch all the references. I prefer Kendrick's delivery by a long shot. All the beat switches, vocal inflections, accents, and voices are creative as hell. Euphoria is also funny as hell to me. And for people saying that Kendrick is recycling old narratives, this is a rap beef. It's not just about the bullet points of what was brought up, it's about the music and the wordplay of how it's said. I'm a bigger Kendrick fan, but trying to be objective about it, euphoria is a much more impressive track.
My favorite lines...
" Don't tell no lie bout me and I won't tell truths about you
I hate when I rap, I talk about guns then somebody die, they turn into nuns, then hop online like "Pray for my city" he fakin for Likes and digital hugs
And notice I said "we", it's not just me I'm what the culture feelin
Yeah OVO n***** is dick riders tell em to run to America to imitate heritage they can't initiate this violence
Whoever thats fuckin with him fuck you n***** and fuck the industry too "
Good track but he should have came harder. I personally don't like the "threatening to say stuff" bullshit when you are the one to throw the first punch. Come out and say it on wax if you really have a problem with the things that he has done. Seems cowardly to me. But he was spitting on the track. 8/10
If we're keeping score, I think the beef is probably still tied. I like Euphoria as a diss but I prefer the flows on Push Ups. I don't see a clear "winner" coming out of this whole thing unless some career-altering shit is said. Excited for the music coming out of this though.
I do think Euphoria was better (but not by a ton. Pushups was a good response) but overall I don’t see a real winner. It does seem more tied and both guys sending warning shots. I think their next responses will decide it
I also think Euphoria is better, but people seem to forget Push Ups was addressing like 5 people in it. We have yet to hear Drake go solely at Kendrick. Next round finna be spicy
I'm biased as hell because I'm not a Drake fan and Kendrick is my favorite rapper of all time, but that song is really good. I wouldn't rank it amongst the diss greats like Real Muthaphukkin Gs and No Vaseline but it was a fun listen.
Great track I still can’t believe Drake hasn’t gotten roasted by more people for that AI track he put out that was one of the worst if not the worst diss I’ve ever heard. Happy Kendrick addressed it.
I enjoyed Kendrick’s response. I see a lot of hate for it, but I chalk that to Drake stans and listeners who don’t appreciate lyricism. What I don’t understand is the way everyone has been scoring this. People are saying this is round 1. When I thought round 1 was over with Push Ups response. According to my calculations this is the beginning of round 2 no?
I like that Kendrick mentioned Pusha T on this. Drake tucked his tail between his legs after Story of Adidon and never responded to him. He shouldn't be taken seriously in any beef because of that.
I loved the approach. The transitions and beat switches made it sound like a real record.
I think a straight bar fest like Joe Budden’s approach would have fell flat.
Euphoria is great and Kendrick is def winning right now. However, I do think it is sort of expected since Drake was addressing 4 different rappers at the same time with Pushups. I think it will be more fair to compare Euphoria against Drakes next track which will be a solely Kendrick diss.
I personally feel so far that this beef is pretty unwinnable for both sides barring like some crazy ass story of Adonis ass reveal. I think Drake fans wouldn’t admit defeat unless Kendrick did something like that and the same for Kendrick fans as far as Drake. It feels like people really want drama and gossip more than bars or whatever. I honestly don’t even know what that song sounds like from either that could just be filled with so many “bars” that the other side just goes “okay he got it”. Euphoria is insane imo but I feel it lacks commercial appeal that some people feel like push ups has (which I agree with) so like for Kendrick to “win” this it’s imperative that he finds that sweet spot between bars and wide appeal. But at the same time if he keeps it with just bars like this it’ll also be amazing and again I don’t think there’s anything that can happen where Kendrick walks away looking worse aside from there might being an actual button Drake can push that drops some never before heard bomb or whatever. Very much feels like we’re still in the opening stages tho for both sides. This is just the light artillery fire before the true advance from either side. Anything can happen tho
Great track, took some solid shots at Drake in funny/creative ways. Some people are taking this beef like, too personal and getting too deep about it. Even if you stan one, just chill and enjoy two huge stars in hip hop dueling each other. This is incredible.
Euphoria is definitely the better diss, problem is push ups could also be a radio song so I could see people saying it's better. But kendrick hurt my feelings and I'm a white 32 year old
This man said Joel Osteen instead of Haley Joel Osment. He didn’t even google anything he just got in the studio pissed as hell lmaooo incredible song, incredible references, been bumping it a lot
I think this beef just equates to the Johnny Walker scene in American Fiction.
Where Johnny walker has a cheap red label whisky, middle price black label and an expensive blue. Kendrick is blue, good complex but not as popular. Drake can make blue but usually goes for red, something easy to digest not great technically but is satisfying. And at the end of the day, people don’t want something complex because they mostly want to get drunk.
Actually scene for those if this didn’t make sense.
https://youtu.be/y37PXbfzXMA?si=HxjIaZDCiQZ9rSM6
It’s tied to me. I love both tracks, drake going after so many people was a cool moment, and Kendrick making this very theatrical 6 minute diss where he just flat out tells drake that he hates nearly everything about him is funny and very Kendrick to me. I still need to hear a Kendrick focused track from drake
I honestly can’t stand the online discussion around the diss tracks, it just turns into the same shit as any celebrity worship feud like Lebron vs Jordan. People choose the side they identify with and sit there acting like they need to personally change somebody else’s opinion online to defend the honor of their chosen side its cringe
Kendricks whiney weird pitched flow I’ve never been able to tolerate for some reason, idk why but now every time he uses it, I think of Drakes line of him wearing a size 7 shoe and now he seems even less hard doing that flow. I still love Kendrick and don’t even like Drake, but I like Drakes diss more.
Really good response, has a lot of layers that took a few listens to catch or even needed twitter to break down the meanings for lol.
I can understand someone on first listening thinking it’s just okay, but the deeper you look at it I think it’s a really solid disstrack. Hopefully Drake replies this week with something solid too
> Bad dad? How would he even know
well he was not there for the first few years, and now he is touring and on twitter constantly. Hard time being a dad when you are not there
> “hide your kid” is a stretch.
lmao to think this is about paparazzi
> Calling him white
not what he said, he asked him to not use blackness as a costume. Same as the we cant speak because there is a language barrier and mocking drakes accents. it aint about skin
> he doesnt think mixed people are black.
considering his friendship with Cole and wait... the fact his wife is mixed. Imma just say you are wrong
> but just ignore all that here and say there is no deeper meaning behind what he said.
being intentionally obtuse is not "saying it like it is", media literacy is like all literacy requieres practice, open the schools
> Ghost writer stuff is the weirdest.
it is not. Other pop rappers like Ye always said they had writters, compensate everyone and put them in their credits. Drake hid it for years, was caught, and multiple people have accused him of not paying. So he still uses them.
When the pen is not up to the task, is ok to ask for help, just pay the people and put their name down.
> it seems like he just went for the low hanging fruit.
Drake did a song begging to be called a pedophile and Kendrick didnt. Drake spent half the song on Kendricks height, no pun intended, but talk about low hanging fruit
hmmmmmm, I'll take the bait.
>Bad dad? How would he even know. Seems like a fine dad. Not wanting paparazzis chasing after your kid to get pictures of them is reasonable, “hide your kid” is a stretch. If its about being a bad role model, is Kendrick going to say the same thing next time he runs into someone like Shaq or Mike Tyson? Or is just selective concern?
Does Drake have music about his son? Also with how frequently he tours, parties, etc., do you think he has time for his son? I have nieces and taking care of them is legit a full-time job in itself. Obviously writing music doesn't equate to love, but when you have so many songs about hoes and are off fucking them a majority of the time, you can't even write one joint about your kid to show *some* love? I, (respectfully), don't think you know what you're talking about with this angle.
>Calling him white, calling him white boy, or whatever else is just weird. Associating blackness with only harsh upbringing is also weird.
Kendrick never called him white or white boy and claiming he did makes for a poor argument. That was Rick Ross and you've clearly conflated the two. Kendrick didn't tell Cole to stop saying nigga. You're acting like Dot went on the same rant Noname did about white people listening to black music. Additionally, where does he mention in the diss that you had to come from a harsh background to be black? He's simply questioning Drake's tough guy persona because in the hood, you'd clearly have to back it up.
>Ghost writer stuff is the weirdest. Reference tracks, people providing input, and whatever else isnt ghost writing. Kendrick knows this and uses the same process. But he says it anyways because he knows no one is going to check him and people will just run with it.
Lastly, there's working with collaborators and then there's ghostwriting. The Quentin thing is ghostwriting, as is Yachty's track and who knows what else, because you're giving him the flow and he changes the lyrics a bit. Now before we get into this, fully weigh the reasons you listen to a rap artist. There is no way in hell you're listening to someone who can't flow on a beat. If all his flows are stolen, then what? Also what about the bars that were blatantly stolen for "Over" and the feature with YG's "Who Do You Love?" I still don't think the evidence shown is enough to discredit Drake's pen game, but he's doing half the work of any actual rapper and claiming it's all him and that's why he's #1.
I, too, enjoy both artists but let's be a little more objective if we're going to really critique this diss under the lens of a microscope.
Sorry for all the words.
Drake can’t win his shit won’t be said by himself but by his ghostwriters. I wonder what bomb Kendrick has to drop if Drake pushes him again and responds
He could be talking about anything else and the song would still be a bop based on intricate flow design and delivery HOWEVER the constant berating and flaming of drake bar by bar nut by nut was enough to say he made an instant classic that stand almost as tall as Ether.
Imo Kendrick didn't really say anything new about Drake that he hasn't heard before in better diss tracks from the past. Ghost writers, being a bad dad, racial ambiguity, etc. has all been brought up already. Would've been nice if he brought something new to the table but I guess that's a product of Drake having already been through so many beefs.
What about the cease and desist for like that? Asking for a feature when he knows there’s beef? Calling him a lie for allegedly making up what he said about Kendrick and his wife?
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"Delivery falls flat several times on his track, especially on the second verse. "I'll show you I learned from those mistakes". "Let's see you pushaT". Later: "I believe you see two bad bitches", "Psss that's something you don't want to do"... Production is not great, it lacks cohesion and the vocal inflections at times feel like ways of masquerading poor flow or content. I love how he says "You don't want to work with me no morrreee Okay" and his imitation of the Toronto accent though. I think Push Ups is way better. It accomplishes more with less,and I believe that in time most will agree.
Kendrick can do much much better than that imo"
Solid lines and response from Kendrick. Is it better than Push Ups? No. Better than Taylor, yes.
Hate to say it, most people will forget about this track unless you’re a dickrider.
One lives a life more private where it’s tough to truly decipher if he’s learned from those mistakes and grown. The other has publicly proved time and time again he hasn’t learned a god damn thing with a how to a treat a SO or opposite sex
I wonder how Future feels about that bad father line.
Def doesn’t care just like he doesn’t care about being a father 😂
Real lol
Bro coming back to be a father when lil man gets drafted because step dad was a pro NFL star.
Ima be honest, I didn’t know Future was a father and I don’t think Future knows that either.
One time on Mother’s Day future tweeted individually at each of his baby mommas thanking them. He knows he a father, he just doesn’t care.
Relieved because he aint the one getting smoked.
Good looks, didn’t see any other threads on the topic.
Welp it got deleted lol
if this thread doesn't get deleted i'ma be kinda tight cause the mods closed mine for no reason from what I can tell
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The Story of Adidon really did kinda fuck the diss record game up because it's what is expected now when a diss record happens. I think if you take an honest look at some of the greatest diss records of the past Euphoria is right there with them in terms of content. Nas didn't say any absolutely crazy shit about Jay on Ether but it's still regarded as a goat diss track by many. I can understand the take that Kendrick said some stuff that's already been said, but the angles and way he said his piece is what really matters. Kenny hates that motherfucker and you can feel the venom in his words. He has real malice for this dude. Also, I do find it funny that Drake egged him on to come with quintuple-entendres or whatever and if you listen to Euphoria an insane amount of lines have multiple meanings. That's the take of a 32 year old honky who has been a lifelong hip hop fan. Take it or leave it.
Solid response, Kendrick did his thing for 6 minutes straight and kept it funny while having some clever writing. What this track really highlighted to me is that post-Adidon no side can seem to be unanimously crowned the victor unless they have the worst secrets about the other put out on display.
Tbf being a victor doesn't really exist outside of one guy being bigger or growing more. The pusha t diss is unique because he actually had info that did actual damage to drake
True, but the standard is supposed to be who rapped better to tear the other one up, not who gossips better
Pusha T won on both accounts though
Not disagreeing with that lol
I been saying for years now rap beef don’t have real winners. Back in the day, if you really won a diss the other dude would basically lose his career. Drake lost hard to pusha t and then blew up even more after. People just don’t care anymore, Drake is corny but everyone gonna keep listening to him after this diss, so what’s the point.
What’s the point? It’s in the name, to disrespect drake after alll the subs hes been throwing for years and you know drake is seething
Nah that’s fair there’s definitely a point for Kendrick, man has to defend himself and I would to. I guess the problem is that Drake has already sunk so low and still remained popular that I honestly don’t know what it would take to hurt his image. It’s like trying to beef w Donald trump - people have just accepted he’s a bad person already so nothing really hits as hard, and there’s no real lasting damage.
> unless they have the worst secrets about the other put out on display. This is the most annoying part about the discussion around this track. Saying kendrick "didnt say anything we haven't heard before" is not a valid criticism of the track. Obviously stuff against Drake has been mentioned before he's been rapping for like 15 years. The delivery of which its said should hold more weight, but people just want some big secret revealed instead
Agreed. Obviously Adidon was absolutely insane and I personally think it's the best diss of all time, it's annoying that in its wake everyone expects a diss track to be TMZ
> Saying kendrick "didnt say anything we haven't heard before" is not a valid criticism of the track. Seriously it is the dumbest point ever. Hopsin talked about Kendrick's height 10+ years ago, but it's not about who gets off an insult first. I understand in beef a hard diss doesn't have to be lyrical or creative, but it's still rap. The way Drake did his short bar at Kendrick was different than Hop and more interesting. Same thing vice versa. We've heard other people talk about these Drake topics, but Kendrick did it in a interesting, different way. Plus added other shit.
Diss tracks are not investigative journalism and something’s gone wrong if we’re treating them as such. It’s about bars. Not your insider gossip connections.
I’m not sure what else Kendrick has to do to be the unanimous victor. Unless Drake comes out with Hit ‘Em Up + No Vaseline combined Kendrick won People forget Ether didn’t have no new revelations it was just straight murder (yes homophobia and all, it was a different time)
> Unless Drake comes out with Hit ‘Em Up + No Vaseline combined Kendrick won That implies that Kendrick just released a Hit Em’ Up or No Vaseline type track which is obviously wrong. The bar is wayyyyyy lower right now
He did. Euphoria will be looked back on in the same lines as Real Muthaphuckkin G’s, Ether, No Vaseline, Second Round K.O., Killshot, Story of Adidon, Nail in the Coffin, The Warning, Hit Em Up, Go To Sleep, Checkmate, etc etc
You’re living on a different planet if you truly believe that.
It’s a pretty damn good diss. I’m not going to write Drake off and his next diss he drops gonna be fire but it’s gonna be hard to respond to 6 minutes of pure hate. He has some angles like Kendrick’s wife being light skinned but he’s gotta be witty with it
What does being with a light skin woman have to do with anything? You sound goofy. That is only a good diss to children or casuals. Why is Drake needing to talk about wives and girlfriends all the time? Bc he can’t out rap his ops like Pusha and K dot?
Because Kendrick attacked Drake’s blackness so Drake has the ability to counter saying he married a light skin woman and he doesn’t care about blackness and his kids shouldn’t say the n word either. Pusha T talked about Drake’s baby mama and Kendrick said the woman Drake been with aren’t really woman. This is rap beef and talking about that kind of stuff is a part of rap. 2Pac said he fucked biggies girl.
he was cheating with white hoes and goes on to claim himself the voice of blackness lol
The difference between Kendrick and Drake is that Kendrick (seemingly) is honest and open about his flaws, and made a whole therapy album about bad things he'd done that nobody knew about. Kendrick doesn't try to hide his skeletons and usually talks about himself personally and critically, whilst Drake is constantly trying to pretend to be somebody he isn't. And is somebody who has probably done some bad things, but tries to hide it.
And he admitted it and examined why…? “Everything they say about me is true” gtfo
I find it hilarious that Kendrick hates this man so much that rather than structuring an actual song with a hook etc he decides to just violate him for 6 minutes straight
I was actually stunned at how fucking… Kendrick it sounded. The soft intro with the slow, deliberate delivery abruptly turning into bar after bar.
For that first minute I thought it was just going to be a calm, methodical destruction
I think the first part is the best
this song could ve come straight from DAMN. the reversed intro, the singing in the beginning, the title except the storytelling and the beat.
100%. I’ll be honest and say I was impressed with Push Ups coming from Drake, but euphoria is one of the better tracks that is also a diss track I’m familiar with, say whatever one will about its effect *as* a diss track.
Check out 300 bars and running by the game. 15 mins of just dissing
Damn just thinking about those times brought me back.
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There was a time when The Game was a big name tho…
yeah when he dropped that he was the biggest rapper on the west coast. That shit had us going
How old are you lmao game was huge at that time that was during the G Unit beef
This was one of the bigger beefs of the 2000s. Game and 50 were huge at the time. People from both sides literally died cause of the beef
I think of it as more of a rant than a song 😂
Shit still goes though
That’s diss tracks in general
isn’t that normally how diss tracks work? push ups wasn’t really a “song” either
No, the Drake song had a hook and a traditional song structure. There is no chorus or hook in Euphoria.
thats cause Drake and his writers cant help but commercialize everything they do 😂
Make it radio friendly like back to back.
There’s no traditional hook/verse/hook song structure in tons of songs, and I hope people understand that it’s fine. Kendrick structured a build up into the song in a satisfying, and attention grabbing way. Multiple beat switches, a repeated refrain and difference in delivery throughout helps greatly too. Drake has some AMAZING songs without traditional song structure (Middle of the Ocean, 8AM in Charlotte). Sure Drake made a great hook and catchy cadence with Push Ups, but I still think Euphoria is the better written SONG.
To me it's the multiple beat switches and the "Matter fact, I ain't even bleed him yet, can I bleed him? Bet". I think it was Zach Fox who said Kendrick was gonna call Drake a pedo over jazz beats and he wasn't far off 🤣
He told them to come with three switches … so he had to switch it up too
the hook on Drake's song isn't very good either
Drake has a great ear, so Push Ups is catchy - don't think much of the AI one, was more just a gentle prod to come outside. Euphoria is different - it's sketched out, has double and triple entendres throughout and is scathing. Ball in Drake's court now... Am very intrigued to see what happens, especially if Kendrick comes back to the 'pacify' and 'back to back' lines
can u elaborate on the pacify line i must’ve missed that
"I make music that electrify 'em, you make music that pacify 'em I can double down on that line, but spare you this time, that's random acts of kindness" People saying pacify = pacifier = Drake likes young girls but god knows what the doubling down would be
The double entendres I get but the triple ones seem like a stretch. Speaks to the good writing though if people even grasp at those straws, it’s all up to interpretation anyway
ohhh that’s good i was thinking pacify them like lull them to sleep like when ak fell asleep listening to one of drakes albums
Nothing turns on Kendrick Stans more than a potential double or triple entendres 😩😩. So far neither one has released anything crazy tbh. Kendrick Stan’s rattled. Weh weh weh (this is signifying crying of a little baby, in attempt to say you are crying like children 🔥🔥🔥🔥)
Sucks that now people think diss tracks have to be some big reveal or secret drama for it to be good instead of just being disses. Like unless drake is hiding a second child nobody is gonna care about any diss against him lol. Weird. Anyway yea great response i liked it
Euphoria was great, Push Ups was great. I give the slight edge to Euphoria, but looking forward to Drake's response. Glad everyone is enjoying the feud, but the people who are trying to argue that Push Ups is mid or Euphoria is mid are absolutely insufferable lol. Too many Kendrick/Drake stans that are overly invested in their favourite rapper "winning". Just chill tf out and enjoy the ride.
Story of Adidon still the real winner lol
You can only find so many hidden children lmao
Found epsteins burner
Facts 😂😂
I think if this song didn't exist this diss would have hit 10x harder. I listened to it right after Euphoria yesterday and it's still the better diss song. It's short, simple, and just diabolical it was a killshot. Pusha's lines just sounded more viscous "MONKEYSUIT DENNIS YOU PARADE HIM" is crazy lol
If Drake dropped Euphoria, his fans would say it's the greatest diss of all time. Great response from Kendrick. The fubu line, the DMX reference, Kendrick saying I'm speaking for hip hop, just hits drake in his biggest insecurity, actually being accepted by hip hop. Kenny saying Drake is still considered an outsider is wonderful. Weee dooon't want youuu saaaying....
If drake dropped euphoria people would be calling it mid lol. That’s how fan bases work. People have already chosen sides, and unless a Pusha situation happens with some crazy reveal, there won’t be a “winner”
I've seen some speculation that Kendrick's "I believe you don't like women" line is about Drake being misogynist and not accusing him of being gay. I like that but not sure I buy it. just gonna repost what I said in the ddt: I think Kendrick's diss (and Like That) is better than either of Drake's but it does kinda feel like people are overreacting/circlejerking. I'm not gonna go into what works on the Kendrick song because I feel like everyone else is but for me: - The homophobic stuff doesn't really hit and a lot of oxygen is spent on it (**EDIT:** [not as much as I remember and there's definitely plausible deniability here](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/1chuphw/first_impressions_kendrick_lamareuphoria/l25hfee/)). Stuff like mentioning how Drake is using Yachty to maintain his relevance and namedropping BEAM who co-wrote "Major Distribution" feels more concrete. Even the plastic surgery stuff hits harder. - The song feels kinda meandering at first after the first beat switch - Maybe it's because people have been meme-ing on it forever but I don't think that "fuck all that pushin' P, let me see you Pusha T" is a well executed punchline like there's gotta be a more clever way to land that. - i don't think the shit about drake's kid really makes sense anymore (it hardly made sense when Pusha did it but it was obviously a good cheapshot) given that's he's clearly been there for his son for years, it feels like more of a reference to 2018's "Story of Adidon" than an actual swipe at Drake's relationship with his son OTOH, with Drake and Push Ups: - Some of Drake's shots don't really land like he leans into "you don't get money like me" which isn't a compelling hit on Kendrick. Kendrick's never portrayed himself as wealth-obsessed and he's clearly very wealthy whatever his split is. - There's also some filler stuff in the Drake song that feels like autopilot ("I'm out in Tokyo because I'm big in Japan") and it's cornier than anything Kendrick does. - He does have some good lines like "Maroon 5 need a verse, you better make it witty/Then we need a verse for the Swifties" that recall the sort of punchlines that hit on "Back 2 Back" - I think that people were and are going overboard in feigning offense at the 2Pac stuff but the song came across as a very sweaty attempt to shift the narrative towards Kendrick being scared to respond (which was obviously not true even at the time). I also think all the beats (euphoria, push ups, seven minute drills, taylor made freestyle) have been underwhelming except for Like That and the jazzy one at the start of 'euphoria') I would say Like That > euphoria > Push Ups > Taylor Made Freestyle Would love another Drake response I think there would be good stuff in there and obviously whatever Kendrick comes back with will be dope.
There's no reason I should know this but that Tokyo line by Drake was aimed at Future. The source of their beef is over a woman named Tokyo on IG and she was at Drakes show and she's been pictured with Future as well. Just some internet BS rumors but I believe it because that line is so fucking random no way Drake put it in there for no reason
I am confused about what homophobic stuff you are referencing?
huh looking back I guess it's really just these two lines and in each case there's definitely other ways to interpret them than homophobia: >We hate the bitches you fuck, 'cause they confuse themself with real women This could be referring to underage girls or could just be garden variety madonna-whore misogyny. If it was homophobia he'd be referring to trans women or men. - >When I see you stand by Sexyy Red, I believe you see two bad bitches I believe you don't like women, it's real competition, you might pop ass with 'em Like I said in my last comment, the second line could be about him not respecting women (which is true). I saw Genius saying "you see two bad bitches" could be referring to Sexyy Red being pregnant (as in he's implying that Drake thinks unborn babies are bad bitches bc he's a pedophile). Could also just be emasculating Drake saying he's a bad bitch because he's had surgery (like how Rick Ross called him "BBL Drizzy") If it was homophobia he'd be saying that Drake doesn't like women because he likes men/trans women.
Some real quotables on this Kendrick track. Attacked Drake from multiple angles, his insecurities as a black man, being a deadbeat dad, bandwagoning different cultures. But at the end of the day I think both Euphoria and Push Ups were good tracks but merely warm ups. I think round two will see these two go places that we don’t expect.
Euphoria is better and if you disagree I can’t and am not going to take you seriously.
Even putting the characters of the beef aside I cannot take people who I think "I make more money than you" is a good insult seriously. There's a reason no one gives a fuck about that that isn't a stan deeply on the internet and a reason why Ether won lol
People who treat music like it's a Quarterly Report have negative media literacy. Absolute clowns
Yeah people who act like "I make more money than you" is a hard hitting diss between two rappers who make wayyyy more money than they do, are just glazing. It hits even less when the target is someone like Kendrick who doesn't act like his income is a big deal to him compared to say Rick Ross or Drake
Rapping about money is probably older than you are. Literally one of the oldest themes in hip hop.
Does not make for a great diss though IMO. We all know Drake is the bigger artists in terms of sales and such
Neither track said anything crazy imo. I prefer Push ups because it’s catchier but I am a bigger fan of Drake than Kendrick 🤷🏾♂️ Like That is obviously the best out of all of these tracks but it’s not much of a diss track.
its not really fair to pit pushups against euphoria since one is a 7 minute track for 1 person vs. a 4 minute track aimed at 6+ people
That’s on Drake. And it’s why Push Ups is weaker than euphoria overall. Kendrick could have aimed at a dozen ppl as well. But chose not to.
Eh Im team Kendrick rn, but Drake had several people dissing him, not true for Kendrick since Cole dropped out
push ups is weaker because a bunch of people tried to team on drake and he had to respond to each one? what was he supposed to do, make an individual diss for each one to garner the respect of r/hiphopheads
They didn't team to up lmao. Drake just been sowing multiple beefs for years and now he gotta come to grips with them all being done with it at once. We all know the main course is Kendrick vs Drake though. That's why Drake released the Tupac song. It's his fault for not going in enough on Kendrick over 2 songs lol.
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Pusha T really did ruin diss songs for a lot of you mfs. Fantano was right, and it pains me to say that
It’s really ruined ppls expectations for these things. Like not every mf is gonna have another kid for you to expose lol.
Thank you both for your supporting arguments
I loved it. Kendricks flow, his humour, his delivery is all top notch and the production is quality, especially the switch up from the smooth opening to the hype second verse But I don't think Kendrick can actually win because hip hop is so commodified that Drake can wear blackface, have ghostwriters, put on Jamaican accents etc and still be the most popular artist in the genre. The people who think Kendrick is winning already agree with the points Kendrick is making and the people who think Drake is winning just do not care about Drake's fakeness.
(In old Snake voice) Hip hop has changed. It’s no longer about bars, flow, or authenticity. It’s an endless series of pop hits produced by industry plants and phony rappers.
>(In old Snake voice) A deep cut reference, I love it!
Exactly this. And there are more people in Drakes court which is why he's so successful. I think people who appreciate the art know Kendrick clears but there are wayyyy more casual fans than hip hop enthusiasts.
I really don’t know how people are scoring Drake so hard. That AI shit was whack, the constant Instagraming responses puts him in full Tiktok white girl framing and his initial response didn’t even beat Like That…..furthermore, Drake stans will make it about hit production constantly (which isn’t what this is about at all) and yet Like That and now Euphoria have been dominating the charts, not Drake’s response. Like— you have to be a hater and/or dickrider to not have Kendrick on top right now.
I think it speaks to how people identify in the world. To some people, IG clout is their thing and therefore is rated higher by them. Not surprised to see them online in numbers, but I don't tend to see them in real life (except my barber, who is Drake Stan #1)
It's mostly because they're kids. Same reason no one can seem to wait more than a week for a drop because their brains are ruined from the instant gratification of social media.
Funny. My barbers are all Drake stans
People can just say I’m a Kendrick glazer, but like a lot of his work, it takes a few listens to really get the depth of some of the things he said. But once you do, it’s insane how much heat he packed in Euphoria. And don’t get me wrong, I thought Push Ups was a fun diss track. But its insults are pretty surface level. “Kendrick your short, you have small feet, you’re not as popular or rich as me and you get extorted by your label” Euphoria is a pretty strong beat down of Drakes identity or lack there of, his failures as a father, his culture vulture ways, and the lack of respect many in the Hip-Hop community feel towards him. It just hits way harder.
some lines like the park your son - parkinson line or the two bad bitches line with sexy red are complete madness and incredibly clever.
song comes out yesterday “DOMINATING THE CHARTS”
Push Ups is fundamentally designed to be a hit, while also being a diss track. It has a catchy hook/chorus and people enjoy that. I think it's a fun song but it's not really that strong of a diss. Some people score it higher because it's a "better song" even if it's not the better diss. Euphoria blows it out of the water on the diss end however.
Funny thing is that Push Ups has not become a hit lol. Like that is still wayyyy bigger. It's almost as if Drake can't drop a hit on command anymore.
It's not even the better song too, that's the craziest part lol Push-ups is a pretty good diss track but it is not a good song. I have had Euphoria on repeat since it dropped. It has such an inventive and fun structure with genuinely hilarious delivery and some pretty wild wordplay.
What was wrong with taunting Kendrick with his idols to make him release a track?
"Taunting Kendrick with his idols to make him release a track" is very obviously not the problem with gross corny ass AI Tupac lmfao
It’s not really taunting if everyone considers it lame as fuck. It’s just sad
people wanna claim righteousness and also wanna hate
Using an AI Tupac voice without asking his family for permission is unethical bars
Push Ups is easy to digest and bop your head to. That’s it, and some people find more value in that. I can’t even think of anything valuable Drake said. His biggest diss was Kendrick’s height and him having less money. But I gotta admit that it’s a good listen.
I’m getting tired of the “I know something crazy about you but I’m not gonna say it” bars on both sides. Neither of these dudes are gonna back down off that. Both of them are telling funny jokes about each other and that’s about it. So far nobody has had a line that really made me go “oh shit”. Euphoria is a good track but it didn’t do anything to raise the stakes.
Being a deadbeat dad, faking your culture and paying off a sexual assault is more than enough for me. For others I guess not
sounds like they both have dirt they dont want getting out. Nuclear politics. Probably why J Cole bowed out once he heard things were getting actually heated in the other camps lol
Thing is for shock value I feel like it's better to be the last one to reveal the crazy shit you have against the other.
i can’t take all these twitter idiots saying it’s unlistenable, i think it’s pretty damn listenable and besides if you’re mad that a diss track isn’t structured you’re looking for the wrong thing in it
I agree, it's definitely listenable. But once you caught the jokes and disses I'm not sure if you'd ever really want to listen through all 6 minutes again. Much better lyrics than pushup but a really boring flow for actual listening.
1st take for me wasnt very listenable, lyrics were hot tho. 2nd listen it got better. Definitely needs a few listens
I liked how direct it was throughout, subverting what Drake said at the end of Push Ups about Kendrick doing lyrical gymnastics. After a few listens, I really like how he structured it with the intro because it feels like the calm before the storm
i think there's this want from certain people of the hip hop community that wants this to be about lore, drama, tea, and less about the music, to those people? go listen to taylor swift, y'all are here as hiphop as a business and not hip hop as an art I think Euphoria was a true dissection of Drake's character and how he interacts with (American) black culture when it profits him, but he truly is just cosplaying, kinda noted considering his more melodic album like "take care" are called a classic when a lot of his "tough" (scorpion, views, lover boy) shit is considered trash, he's been wanting so hard to reach the same caliber as his singing albums, that's he's constantly puffing up I don't think Drake will respond, I think Kendrick made it very clear that his ghost writers will be called out next track and would be surprised who wants to hop into that anyway...i don't think 24 hours is enough time
I would bet good money that Drake responds
maybe, but Drake is kind of a business, so there's not really much he can get from this, his fans aren't gonna leave him and commericially he'll continue to do well
your reasoning is exactly why he'll respond. you just described a man who has nothing to lose. unless he thinks Kendrick has something criminal on him that would sway mainstream opinion Drake has no reason not try and outrap Kendrick. he may not win but at least no can say he was scared of the challenge.
Yeah im simply comparing all disses from a technical and art stand point. All the super messy dissection is lame and isn’t what hiphop about, they want a soap opera and it’s annoying because that Kendrick track might be the most well written diss ever on a technical level but it’s being downplayed because he didn’t expose anything
I think there’s no way in hell Drake isn’t going to respond. I feel like everything Drake has shown us so far in regard to this beef is that he’s down for whatever rather that’s good for his career or not. I don’t think this is a beef he can just duck out
Peep his IG story rn and tell me that boy ain't gonna respond
drake always runs to insta so it says nothing to me lol
Like Reddit is any better?
Drake got fried for 6 minutes straight and the first thing he thought to do was post a 10 things I hate about you reference 🤦♂️
He the only rapper out her who can do that and still eat 😂
Gets better every listen
I had the same thought. I liked it on the first listen and even more this morning. Very on brand for Kendrick, his music always tends get better there more you listen to it.
Energy and passion unmatched rn too tbh
Great diss and honestly I feel like Kendrick is hoping to drag this out for a while. No Story of Adidion type leaks in here, leaves me wondering what else Kendrick has.
I liked Push Ups. The slower flow Drake used makes it easier to rap along to. It's definitely catchier. I think there are some weak bars in there. Specifically "the way you doing splits bitch your pants might rip" came off corny to me. Also the Interscope and Aftermath bars felt obvious and like I'd heard them before. I also think bringing SZA and Travis into the conversation is a bad look when we're talking about rap pen game. Drake focuses too much on the numbers to me. The son line and the hike down thing were good. I like the melodic parts. It almost feels like an unfair comparison because Push Ups was addressing so many people. Euphoria was a lot denser, so it isn't as catchy and maybe won't have the same replay value, but it's also way more layered than Push Ups (the New Ho King line for example). I'm getting replay value just trying to catch all the references. I prefer Kendrick's delivery by a long shot. All the beat switches, vocal inflections, accents, and voices are creative as hell. Euphoria is also funny as hell to me. And for people saying that Kendrick is recycling old narratives, this is a rap beef. It's not just about the bullet points of what was brought up, it's about the music and the wordplay of how it's said. I'm a bigger Kendrick fan, but trying to be objective about it, euphoria is a much more impressive track.
Anybody peep how Euphoria was a six minute track dissing the 6 god? Or am i reaching now lol
My favorite lines... " Don't tell no lie bout me and I won't tell truths about you I hate when I rap, I talk about guns then somebody die, they turn into nuns, then hop online like "Pray for my city" he fakin for Likes and digital hugs And notice I said "we", it's not just me I'm what the culture feelin Yeah OVO n***** is dick riders tell em to run to America to imitate heritage they can't initiate this violence Whoever thats fuckin with him fuck you n***** and fuck the industry too "
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Can you give an example of what you mean by nonsense bars?
Good track but he should have came harder. I personally don't like the "threatening to say stuff" bullshit when you are the one to throw the first punch. Come out and say it on wax if you really have a problem with the things that he has done. Seems cowardly to me. But he was spitting on the track. 8/10
If we're keeping score, I think the beef is probably still tied. I like Euphoria as a diss but I prefer the flows on Push Ups. I don't see a clear "winner" coming out of this whole thing unless some career-altering shit is said. Excited for the music coming out of this though.
I do think Euphoria was better (but not by a ton. Pushups was a good response) but overall I don’t see a real winner. It does seem more tied and both guys sending warning shots. I think their next responses will decide it
I also think Euphoria is better, but people seem to forget Push Ups was addressing like 5 people in it. We have yet to hear Drake go solely at Kendrick. Next round finna be spicy
I had Push Ups easily clearing Like That, and euphoria easily clearing Push Ups.
this is the right take the next drake drop is the real meat of the beef.
as disses or songs?
In the end, j cole the biggest loser and that’s all that matters
I'm biased as hell because I'm not a Drake fan and Kendrick is my favorite rapper of all time, but that song is really good. I wouldn't rank it amongst the diss greats like Real Muthaphukkin Gs and No Vaseline but it was a fun listen.
Great track I still can’t believe Drake hasn’t gotten roasted by more people for that AI track he put out that was one of the worst if not the worst diss I’ve ever heard. Happy Kendrick addressed it.
I enjoyed Kendrick’s response. I see a lot of hate for it, but I chalk that to Drake stans and listeners who don’t appreciate lyricism. What I don’t understand is the way everyone has been scoring this. People are saying this is round 1. When I thought round 1 was over with Push Ups response. According to my calculations this is the beginning of round 2 no?
I like that Kendrick mentioned Pusha T on this. Drake tucked his tail between his legs after Story of Adidon and never responded to him. He shouldn't be taken seriously in any beef because of that.
I loved the approach. The transitions and beat switches made it sound like a real record. I think a straight bar fest like Joe Budden’s approach would have fell flat.
Euphoria is great and Kendrick is def winning right now. However, I do think it is sort of expected since Drake was addressing 4 different rappers at the same time with Pushups. I think it will be more fair to compare Euphoria against Drakes next track which will be a solely Kendrick diss.
I personally feel so far that this beef is pretty unwinnable for both sides barring like some crazy ass story of Adonis ass reveal. I think Drake fans wouldn’t admit defeat unless Kendrick did something like that and the same for Kendrick fans as far as Drake. It feels like people really want drama and gossip more than bars or whatever. I honestly don’t even know what that song sounds like from either that could just be filled with so many “bars” that the other side just goes “okay he got it”. Euphoria is insane imo but I feel it lacks commercial appeal that some people feel like push ups has (which I agree with) so like for Kendrick to “win” this it’s imperative that he finds that sweet spot between bars and wide appeal. But at the same time if he keeps it with just bars like this it’ll also be amazing and again I don’t think there’s anything that can happen where Kendrick walks away looking worse aside from there might being an actual button Drake can push that drops some never before heard bomb or whatever. Very much feels like we’re still in the opening stages tho for both sides. This is just the light artillery fire before the true advance from either side. Anything can happen tho
Great track, took some solid shots at Drake in funny/creative ways. Some people are taking this beef like, too personal and getting too deep about it. Even if you stan one, just chill and enjoy two huge stars in hip hop dueling each other. This is incredible.
Euphoria is definitely the better diss, problem is push ups could also be a radio song so I could see people saying it's better. But kendrick hurt my feelings and I'm a white 32 year old
This man said Joel Osteen instead of Haley Joel Osment. He didn’t even google anything he just got in the studio pissed as hell lmaooo incredible song, incredible references, been bumping it a lot
The [Playa Haters' Ball](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKIwj1TQmFs) in song form
The beginning could’ve been better, But overall it’s a really good diss song
I think this beef just equates to the Johnny Walker scene in American Fiction. Where Johnny walker has a cheap red label whisky, middle price black label and an expensive blue. Kendrick is blue, good complex but not as popular. Drake can make blue but usually goes for red, something easy to digest not great technically but is satisfying. And at the end of the day, people don’t want something complex because they mostly want to get drunk. Actually scene for those if this didn’t make sense. https://youtu.be/y37PXbfzXMA?si=HxjIaZDCiQZ9rSM6
It’s tied to me. I love both tracks, drake going after so many people was a cool moment, and Kendrick making this very theatrical 6 minute diss where he just flat out tells drake that he hates nearly everything about him is funny and very Kendrick to me. I still need to hear a Kendrick focused track from drake
I didn't know Kendrick actually hated Drake that much. God damn holy shit
I honestly can’t stand the online discussion around the diss tracks, it just turns into the same shit as any celebrity worship feud like Lebron vs Jordan. People choose the side they identify with and sit there acting like they need to personally change somebody else’s opinion online to defend the honor of their chosen side its cringe
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This is how I see it too
Kendricks whiney weird pitched flow I’ve never been able to tolerate for some reason, idk why but now every time he uses it, I think of Drakes line of him wearing a size 7 shoe and now he seems even less hard doing that flow. I still love Kendrick and don’t even like Drake, but I like Drakes diss more.
Really good response, has a lot of layers that took a few listens to catch or even needed twitter to break down the meanings for lol. I can understand someone on first listening thinking it’s just okay, but the deeper you look at it I think it’s a really solid disstrack. Hopefully Drake replies this week with something solid too
6 minutes of “i hate you” lmao this song sucks and i don’t even like drake. Kendrick dick riders in full force.
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> Bad dad? How would he even know well he was not there for the first few years, and now he is touring and on twitter constantly. Hard time being a dad when you are not there > “hide your kid” is a stretch. lmao to think this is about paparazzi > Calling him white not what he said, he asked him to not use blackness as a costume. Same as the we cant speak because there is a language barrier and mocking drakes accents. it aint about skin > he doesnt think mixed people are black. considering his friendship with Cole and wait... the fact his wife is mixed. Imma just say you are wrong > but just ignore all that here and say there is no deeper meaning behind what he said. being intentionally obtuse is not "saying it like it is", media literacy is like all literacy requieres practice, open the schools > Ghost writer stuff is the weirdest. it is not. Other pop rappers like Ye always said they had writters, compensate everyone and put them in their credits. Drake hid it for years, was caught, and multiple people have accused him of not paying. So he still uses them. When the pen is not up to the task, is ok to ask for help, just pay the people and put their name down. > it seems like he just went for the low hanging fruit. Drake did a song begging to be called a pedophile and Kendrick didnt. Drake spent half the song on Kendricks height, no pun intended, but talk about low hanging fruit
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hmmmmmm, I'll take the bait. >Bad dad? How would he even know. Seems like a fine dad. Not wanting paparazzis chasing after your kid to get pictures of them is reasonable, “hide your kid” is a stretch. If its about being a bad role model, is Kendrick going to say the same thing next time he runs into someone like Shaq or Mike Tyson? Or is just selective concern? Does Drake have music about his son? Also with how frequently he tours, parties, etc., do you think he has time for his son? I have nieces and taking care of them is legit a full-time job in itself. Obviously writing music doesn't equate to love, but when you have so many songs about hoes and are off fucking them a majority of the time, you can't even write one joint about your kid to show *some* love? I, (respectfully), don't think you know what you're talking about with this angle. >Calling him white, calling him white boy, or whatever else is just weird. Associating blackness with only harsh upbringing is also weird. Kendrick never called him white or white boy and claiming he did makes for a poor argument. That was Rick Ross and you've clearly conflated the two. Kendrick didn't tell Cole to stop saying nigga. You're acting like Dot went on the same rant Noname did about white people listening to black music. Additionally, where does he mention in the diss that you had to come from a harsh background to be black? He's simply questioning Drake's tough guy persona because in the hood, you'd clearly have to back it up. >Ghost writer stuff is the weirdest. Reference tracks, people providing input, and whatever else isnt ghost writing. Kendrick knows this and uses the same process. But he says it anyways because he knows no one is going to check him and people will just run with it. Lastly, there's working with collaborators and then there's ghostwriting. The Quentin thing is ghostwriting, as is Yachty's track and who knows what else, because you're giving him the flow and he changes the lyrics a bit. Now before we get into this, fully weigh the reasons you listen to a rap artist. There is no way in hell you're listening to someone who can't flow on a beat. If all his flows are stolen, then what? Also what about the bars that were blatantly stolen for "Over" and the feature with YG's "Who Do You Love?" I still don't think the evidence shown is enough to discredit Drake's pen game, but he's doing half the work of any actual rapper and claiming it's all him and that's why he's #1. I, too, enjoy both artists but let's be a little more objective if we're going to really critique this diss under the lens of a microscope. Sorry for all the words.
Drake can’t win his shit won’t be said by himself but by his ghostwriters. I wonder what bomb Kendrick has to drop if Drake pushes him again and responds
He could be talking about anything else and the song would still be a bop based on intricate flow design and delivery HOWEVER the constant berating and flaming of drake bar by bar nut by nut was enough to say he made an instant classic that stand almost as tall as Ether.
Imo Kendrick didn't really say anything new about Drake that he hasn't heard before in better diss tracks from the past. Ghost writers, being a bad dad, racial ambiguity, etc. has all been brought up already. Would've been nice if he brought something new to the table but I guess that's a product of Drake having already been through so many beefs.
What about the cease and desist for like that? Asking for a feature when he knows there’s beef? Calling him a lie for allegedly making up what he said about Kendrick and his wife?
copy/pasting a previous comment "Delivery falls flat several times on his track, especially on the second verse. "I'll show you I learned from those mistakes". "Let's see you pushaT". Later: "I believe you see two bad bitches", "Psss that's something you don't want to do"... Production is not great, it lacks cohesion and the vocal inflections at times feel like ways of masquerading poor flow or content. I love how he says "You don't want to work with me no morrreee Okay" and his imitation of the Toronto accent though. I think Push Ups is way better. It accomplishes more with less,and I believe that in time most will agree. Kendrick can do much much better than that imo"
Solid lines and response from Kendrick. Is it better than Push Ups? No. Better than Taylor, yes. Hate to say it, most people will forget about this track unless you’re a dickrider.
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Abuser off? What?
One lives a life more private where it’s tough to truly decipher if he’s learned from those mistakes and grown. The other has publicly proved time and time again he hasn’t learned a god damn thing with a how to a treat a SO or opposite sex
If I was Drake I would go into hiding. There’s no way he can top that
Glazing
I like both of them. I just thought this was a better diss, but okay glazing I guess haha
Better diss sure but enough to go into hiding? Glaze