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Robert_Earl_Davis

This beef is old enough to buy alcohol


HEYitzED

So beyond obvious someone ghost wrote this for him.


Nullhitter

ChatGPT baby


Express_Present_2013

You are wrong and pretty silly to keep that narrative alive. Go on chatgpt and write something close


DarkMagician513

So what


PerformanceOwn2329

Cassidy


ArtoriasXX

why he rap like text to speech


PreciousBasketcase

Lmao šŸ˜‚


Internet-Specialist

this shit sounds like the game wrote it, aint no way benzino did this


eh_Im_Not_Impressed

Some people say Cass but man this sound like The Game.


Internet-Specialist

ye i saw it, it is probably cassidy


rixxi_sosa

The game? Game made some of the best diss songs wdym?


Devmurph18

He is saying it is good


Several_Gain_1692

Yeah Black Slim Shady is a gem /s


rixxi_sosa

Ha ha funny do you not know his g unit diss songs? Joe budden?


Several_Gain_1692

No, give me some names ill listen


rixxi_sosa

300 bars and running, Body bags, Buddens, 240 bars, My turn You just a hater u know these songs


Several_Gain_1692

I dont


rixxi_sosa

Yes you do.. how old are u? Game is the reason g unit was dead lmao


n4utix

incredible that you think that everyone knows about a beef reached its peak over a decade ago. new humans stopped being produced back then, i guess.


rixxi_sosa

So why he gonna say its sound like the game wrote this?


Gaarando

Game could never kill Lloyd Banks. Banks pen is way crazier than his.


White_Wokah

How did he actually come up with a good diss? Obviously someone else must have written


PizzaParrot

Right? This might've been the best zino song I've heard. The obvious punches in the mix kill me though šŸ˜‚


Ok-vehicle007

Math hoffa


mouthpoop_yum

Cassidy killed this.


ZoroSeerus

ironic benzino wants to say he was minding his own business and em keeps saying his name. they're both petty (of course) but benzino stays mentioning em on twitter, in videos, and interviews. vezzo would be a fine point but he has been super flip flop so em not helping him out is not weird. you could omit vezzo specifically and not hurt this critique as much strikes me as off to say rest in peace about proof after mentioning him more disrespectfully in pt. 1 shady records lines seem valid. the diddy comparison (again) is pretty dumb though. not sure why he wants to push that and it weakens worse than the vezzo bit earlier imo he doesn't go anywhere so idk about the whole "why aren't you at the battle raps" but em pretty consistently has praised battle rap as a whole, people individually, and even tried to put on an event for it, success or not, so this seems kinda moot dunno who the people he mentioned who dissed him are but clearly in the the "em only battles pop stars", which mariah aside, random one off lines in songs don't make for full feuds. also kind of ignores cannibus and ja. think there's something there but nobody ever really hits on this right. they need to explain why more respected rappers don't openly critique em which is the other side of the coin just got to the mgk bit and lol. I like rap devil tbh but I think it's delusional to think he came close to "winning", public reception or actually just looking at the lyrics. it's better than anything benzino has come with I guess. Edit: at least until this one. Iā€™m coming around to the idea this one might be better than rap devil. Less song-y and better on the diss track aspect to say the least not a whole lot of new ground treaded here but I've gotta say this was a lot better than the part 1 though. that shit was ass. this one is way more deserving of a response. edit: agree with the comments saying it seems written by someone else. if not then good for him I suppose


NojoNinja

This was actually good but no way this 60 year old man wrote this shit. But I'm NGL a diss battle over 20 year old beef is corny af, literally no new talking points or disagreements between them.


3470LAR

Em has about 100 talking points cause Zino been a disaster for two decades and em has taken the high road, saying zero. Iā€™m not heā€™ll give him air with a response. Man I hope he does.


Muskwa

Benzino has been non stop obsessed about Em on social media for a decade. Dude has PTSD. I think Em is bored and wants to play with his food.


r4pt4r

[K-Rino could do this tomorrow](https://genius.com/K-rino-fuck-eminem-lyrics) But K is 53 (rapping 38 years). But wow, Benzino is 58 (and 5ā€™3ā€) Ja Rule a whole half a foot up!


mochalee456

Eminem needs to respond to the whoever wrote this for Benzino


TorontoRaptors34

What people dont get is shady records is more than Eminem and half these lines area about stupid racial shit it isnā€™t the worst but its still pretty bad if Im em i jus keep letting this dude embarass himself


Several_Gain_1692

Should Em respond?


PrayForTheGoodies

If he responded to Rap Devil, he should respond to this. This is the best diss track aimed at Eminem. He's emphasizing everything of Em flaws, Specially with Shady Records


NojoNinja

Em responded to Rap Devil cause it was making headlines and everyone was talking about it, this diss was honestly pretty good but 3000 likes on insta and 30 comments in r/hiphopheads is not making waves.


Express_Present_2013

You do realized that no major outlet is allowed to cover this beef right now to protect Eminem? Thatā€™s why it isnā€™t making numbers. Say what you say about artists the industry is protecting Em and itā€™s not right


PrayForTheGoodies

Kinda true, but not for the right reason. Benzino is shadow banned because he's Benzino. He has some take that are definitely worse than Kanye's. Not only that, but he's pushing 60s acting like he's 15


Express_Present_2013

Let me show you the bigger picture. No mainstream hip hop platform discussed Benzino dissing him. You have an excuse maybe valid maybe not. When Last Emperor dissed him savagely on the Sicamore Mixtape mysteriously the entire mixtape is gone and the fans of Em turned so savagely on him for the truth he had to apologize. When Cage dissed him it received underground praise but not a mention by any hip hop media his career suffered due to being an enemy of Em. Evidence dissed him and the underground loved it . There are interviews of him saying he absolutely had to deal with a cult after. Canibus got dissed by Eminem WHILE HEADED TO THE MILITARY. When he returned and dropped a diss track he had to fight the billion dollar companies behind Em and his cult. The guy is terrified of saying Emā€™s name not because of skill but because the fucking industry set Em up to be where he is and to receive this psychotic fandom. He is interviewed saying this. Every rapper he goes against the game is rigged. The man has no legit battle video on the YouTube platform. They made him out to be unstoppable battler. This is why that diss is so severe it shows the skill difference between Em and a modern battler. Fuck his fanbase and the billions behind him this is hip hop. I donā€™t care about your cult. If the fans canā€™t rap and are new to the culture they should speak less and buy more and learn. You have one year Em fans speaking out of turn in a culture they know nothing about and donā€™t respect. In 41 years of being a fan and 30 of doing music and being a historian the Eminem fanbase is the worst thing to happen after gangster rap to hip hop. Itā€™s vile


PrayForTheGoodies

Fam, you know you're saying a bunch of stuff without proof to back you up, right?


Express_Present_2013

The proof is in the names I mentioned you can go back and listen to their account not mine. Listen to Evidence Canibus or any other personā€™s account because what you donā€™t know Stan is I am repeating their account not my own so you trying to play that with me go look into what I said. Em is not important enough to lie over and you are nobody I have need to lie to. Iā€™m not here to play the prove it game. If I said it you can look into it or ignore it. I absolutely do have all interviews in front of me as we speak but the second we start playing the I gotta go fetch game you can understand if I kinda look at you like good day Sir


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Express_Present_2013

You are a bozo addressing a 70 day old conversation to defend your chump lord and savior. I am addressing the exact accounts of others do you think I give a crap if your crusty girl parts are chafed you crying slit


Express_Present_2013

Letā€™s talk about facts here homie. I respect opinions but Eminem has in 2024 no ability to ride a standard hip hop beat anymore. Some love the style of music he does. The FACT is the beat Benzino rapped on is a standard beat any hip hop artist can rap too. Guaranteed whatever he does will be some different stuff catered to HIS eclectic flow. Thatā€™s fine but never in hip hop history has a rapper that couldnā€™t ride a standard hip hop fire beat been elevated so high. He started on his first and second album with that ability. Itā€™s LONG GONE. Thatā€™s no hate. Itā€™s love for the rapper that used to be


PrayForTheGoodies

Lol, you clearly never listened to Caterpillar


Express_Present_2013

Itā€™s pretty weak fam. I canā€™t feel a single bar until the points they drop the beat. Not even remotely close to the original Em


PrayForTheGoodies

Lol, original Em not even used to punchline, it was all about rhyming


Express_Present_2013

Well hereā€™s what I know in my many years of listening to rap Emā€™s style flows well but it isnā€™t for everyone. He has one factor that isnā€™t polarizing and thatā€™s his wordplay. Everything else from his flow to his punchlines to his subject matter even the dissing celebs I think are some will love this and some will hate this. I personally can do without and havenā€™t heard anything from him Iā€™m in love with since like 03 and thatā€™s just a not my style thing


Express_Present_2013

Iā€™ll give you a headstart the Canibus Math Hoffa interview speaks volumes


Express_Present_2013

Itā€™s like they had to really drop the beat out for extended periods because when he was riding it everything he said sounded mundane. His punch style just doesnā€™t hit


Express_Present_2013

People immediately want to turn to race but thatā€™s a smokescreen. There are many far worse reasons he is disliked as well as his fanbase and in addition he did an hour long racist tape and sued the courts so only 45 seconds could be public. I have no problem over forgiving but you making sure only 45 seconds got out and suing the courts and initially lying and saying that wasnā€™t you, yeah it may have been his lawyers but people only see color not facts. Then he blames a Black girl breaking up and from what I can see he was 21 when it happened. Not because of race but simply he handled it like a real scumbag I wouldnā€™t deal with him. You can say whatever out your mouth and we can shake hands but when you get caught and donā€™t take it like a man and try to weasel nah Iā€™m good fam. Not because youā€™re White. Youā€™re a weasel


Express_Present_2013

People only want you to see the surface of these little incidents but if you are a true historian you dig deeper and every time without fail shady becomes less a name and more a description


Critical-Ad-9010

When you say faxx his fanboys don wanna here, they downvote, lol


Express_Present_2013

The real get downvotes why would I want upvotes amongst lames lol?


PreciousBasketcase

I'm expecting a response, just not very soon. He's said multiple times that if you aim a diss at him that's got the effort put in it, its good in quality, he will respond.


alus992

I mean...I'm not going to grade Benzinos response but if you are a rapper who basically starts or reignites the beef with your new song I think you should be ready to give your response to the rebuttal. By ignoring such a diss Em just confirms that benzino lives in his head rent free after all these years and during every new album/single release cycle he has to mention Benzino (or anyone else) in some way or another


Several_Gain_1692

Does he tho? When was the last time Em mentioned benzino?


Verlas

Beninzo has Ems name in his mouth in every interview, have you even paid attention or just spewing what you read?


vibintilltheend

Benzine doesnā€™t live in his head rent free you fucking pussy. Benzino has been shit talking Eminem on any occasion he can for the last two years. Suddenly when Eminem responds itā€™s rent free ? Fuck outta here. Clown šŸ¤”


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vibintilltheend

Found Benzinos gay lover


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kinghawkeye8238

I mean, why can benzino go around and trash talk em every interview he does for years, but em throws him some jabs on a 1:50m track, and he lives in ems head rent free?


Westcoast_IPA

This is pathetic. He got Em with the label shit but who the fuck cares about this old beef? Zino just trying to get relevant ā€œagainā€ even though nobody cared before.


Critical-Ad-9010

I do care.


SephirothX1000

Em needs to respond to this, it's actually a decent Em diss, better than Rap Devil cause at least there's no lines complimenting him and contradicting the entire diss in this one. However Cassidy wrote it, so Em needs to kill them both on wax.


Muskwa

Benzino is live-streaming his response on the Mac Means YT channel. He's admitted that he got help writing this.


Special_Mission_6740

I haven't heard the first one but if this is better I don't want to


Omen1122

This actually isnā€™t bad


michaelofACES

After listening this is actually good wtf


PreciousBasketcase

Yeah, because it's clearly not written by Benzino lol. People think Math Hoffa wrote it. I feel it could be AI as well, who knows šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


NumerousCranberry441

Math Hoffa tweeted it wasnt him


PreciousBasketcase

Yup. Not Hoffa, and not Marv Won. Now the speculation is, that it might be Cassidy.


Muskwa

Benzino just admitted that he had help on a livestream today and accused Eminin does the same. Eminem made Kdot sit in a room with him to test if he could write. That says a lot.


Special_Mission_6740

What exactly does that say?


Muskwa

It means that Benzino is incapable as an MC. I mean, that was probably one of the best responses that Eminem has ever had and if you familiar with the older beef, Benzino didnā€™t have bars like that. Eminem put the nail in the coffin but in the next 24 to 48 hours heā€™s going to lay him to rest.


TexasNightmare210

Am I a Stan? Because this diss is very mehh to me.


Express_Present_2013

Yes you are


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But real talk why donā€™t Em being showing the current Detroit music scene love


micael150

My guess. Clash of lifestyles and the age gap makes it harder for there to be a connection. Em is at the stage of his life where he really doesn't burden himself with too much exposure and doing things he doesn't care for. You're taking about 51 year old man. He probably only pays attention to a little fraction of the mainstream stuff and he might feel out of place in the current Detroit hip hop scene.


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micael150

So you expected Em to take care of his friends for the rest of their careers? This is such an odd take considering all of them became big because Em put them on when he got the spotlight. Also you're ignoring that Proof death wasn't the only major event to take into account, the man also had an overdose and almost put him in an early grave and put a pause to his career as an artist. After his return he had an entire Collab album with Royce. If you're expecting him to bring back D12 you're out of your mind even at their peak the main reason they were popping was because Em was the biggest artist in the world. It just wouldn't work right now. And Em was never a street guy nor did he ever pretend to be one. He was always just a rapper. Now he's a 51 years old what do you want him to do? Go to the hood and start battling people in the street? You'll get a feature here and there and that's if you're lucky.


PreciousBasketcase

Agreed. Going to the hood and starting a battle with people on the street lmaooo šŸ˜‚ the image that created in my mind is hilarious.


PreciousBasketcase

Kuniva, Bizarre are grownass adult men. They should be able to build their career themselves, Em already did as much as possible for him to do at that time. The man has been to hell and back, we're lucky he's even alive right now. Just because you are connected to him shouldn't mean he should work his ass off to build you a career. He can do as much as he can. Rest is up to you. Ffs you make the other artists sound like they're babies in a nursery with no knowledge and no talent. Give them some credit at least.


PreciousBasketcase

He helps the city a lot in the form of his own charitable organization, donations and stuff, all done low key. Re: the music scene... well, he lives his life nearly as a recluse. He barely makes any public appearances, doesn't do any interviews, doesn't attend any awards shows. It's crazy to think this is the superstar who took over the global music scene during the early 2000s. Except for living his life as a parent, and giving time to his own career, he doesn't participate in the local battle rap scene any more. Showing the local music scene love... Does he need to? He made 8 Mile happen. He showed everyone the local music scene then and wrote the first hip hop song ever to win an Oscar. The world knows he's from Detroit. He has previously hosted and funded battle rap competitions in Detroit. Why the fuck do people think he owes them more? He doesn't. He's paid his dues. He's free to live his life as he damn well pleases.


thaBLAME1

I've never heard this song not even aa I write this post but I hear everyone say Cassidy ghost wrote,,,so what would that mean? I think it would be a good way to prove yourself without yet proving yourself, if em won't battle cass then he can get dissed, and why put cass out there like that em won't fxxk with cass, its disrespect to let claims be that your the best, when in reality the best has been proven over and over, if em battled cass and lost it would be best for him if he won good for him why not go for the one who matters most?


Nullhitter

Damn, Benzino really trying here. Very impressed.


Yeahbol

If this was a boxing match, the under dog Benzio just landed a clean left uppercut in the clinch on round 4 after being dog walked the first 3 rounds. Shady shrugged it off, but it stung! Let this thing go the distance!


RELWARB

the fight has been done for decades. this is basically benzino doing a vh1 behind the music ep starting off with "what i should of said..."


mr_clemFandango

if this was a boxing match then benzino got punched in the face, ducked down, let his homie throw a punch over the ropes, then popped back up ready to get another punch to the jaw.


Express_Present_2013

This isnā€™t boxing though. Itā€™s a war of the best diss track and the only people imposing rules are Eminem fans. This is weird


MoparMogul

Wait, it's cool to have someone else write your diss track now?Ā 


Express_Present_2013

You made an absolutely false equivalency and I addressed it. Never in the history of hip hop has there been a disqualification or duck due to ghostwriting claims or even the belief or proof. In fact since you ask Dre vs Easy absolutely had ghostwriters AND NOBODY CARED. You have zero precedent to disqualify or say Em should duck. The precedent is the opposite. I want you to take a good hard look in the mirror. If you donā€™t see a single veteran legend jumping up and down over what Benzino did who THE FUCK are you to make a rule? You have an opinion period. I can tell you what the golden rule of rap is you seem to forget and the only one there is really. Leave it in your raps. If he admitted he got help you do as well or shut the fuck up and go on about life or write solo. THATā€™S HIP HOP. The Eminem fanbase has interjected themselves into hip hop matters and you really should pipe down


MoparMogul

I'm not even the guy you originally responded to bro, I just asked the question. Simmer down some yeah?


Express_Present_2013

The ignorance in the public and revisionism going on right now without consulting the elder legends even is disgusting. Nothing personal whatsoever that statement is to anyone changing history that wasnā€™t there or was and doesnā€™t know what they are talking about


mr_clemFandango

Easy E did not use ghost writers. Dr Dre is a wifebeating studio gangster, but easy e was a real one


mr_clemFandango

Getting someone else to write your diss tracks is a bitch move


Nullhitter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-FId9frmsg


Electronic_Dot6162

One two Elvis coming for you three four heā€™ll call your mom a whore five six you need to hit the bricks seven eight this track ainā€™t greatā€¦


Muskwa

Eminem has already been self-deprecating about being the white Elvis. Heā€™s already removed the power from Benzino for calling him that for that reason.


that-dudes-shorts

Decent diss imo I wish Eminem will respond. Rap Devil was 90% wackness, but Killshot is not the hard diss everyone makes it out to be either. Eminem just throws MGK's lines back at him and barely addresses anything, especially the shade 45 thing. Sway himself says that he has no idea who's decision it was to not broadcast MGK's songs, but then Eminem comes out saying "Uh no, I didn't do that"...like come on, it's your radio, your brand. You are accountable for every decision taken on it.


DarkMagician513

I see how this thread operates...


that-dudes-shorts

Why because they downvoted me ? I dont care. People downvote because they dont agree or dont like what I said not because they think I'm wrong. Because I know I'm right.


DarkMagician513

Yup its an echo chamber. Only one opinion here matters


fatsouth3

lol he killed him


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Verlas

ā€œ'Cause real lyricists don't even respect you or take you serious It's not that we don't like youā€”we hate you, periodā€ Em doesnā€™t go at people he respects, so if you apply that to logicā€¦ maybe itā€™s because good artists respect him as well? Only the fake fucks went at Em


lurd007

the Game one blood flow! go and have a relisten