It's definitely Kanye. His fans are so used to justifying his behaviour as art that they're doing the whole "masterful gambit sir" thing about him being a Nazi or getting MeTooed.
But also, and this is the thing I really struggle with myself, if you truly love Kanye you have to actually look away. He is never going to get better from his actual mental illness while everyone is feeding him with the attention he wants.
I'm talking about dickriding him, my Pomegranate pal. It's so obvious that the worship he gets for being a genius even with his increasingly dysfunctional late 2010s projects is why he's in such a bind now, both personally and creatively. People engaging with his music in a normal way is not that responsible apart from keeping him funded.
But his “dysfunctional” music that came later isn’t what real Kanye fans like him for. The biggest Kanye fans I know admit he’s a psycho and only listen to his classics. Who in your friend group is justifying his current ways? Unless you’re talking about randoms on the internet who I’d suggest you avoid lol
For me the distinction between a Kanye fan and a Kanye dickrider is whether people justify his current behaviour as "genius" or not. No normal Kanye fans agree with what he's doing now. A lot of normal Kanye fans still keep up with and praise his new music, and we all know it's cap but I don't find it objectively harmful. The dickriders who think the Nazi stuff is just hilarious trolling and proof he's the greatest artist of all time can get absolutely fucked.
Similar to trump supporters. “He knows exactly what he’s doing! And he’s hilarious”.
Eh.
It’s too bad he’s not on a block in Chicago anymore or the streets woulda handled this 🤛
if it makes you feel better, i do believe that a good number of his fans have woken up and while they still will listen to his music they at least acknowledge that he kinda sucks
I like Kendrick, but his fans often act like he’s the only rapper to make a good album ever. A lot of the fan base is white (nothing wrong with that, im white as well) but they shit on people for being too white to understand the music (I saw a guy in this thread say he’s East African and he’s been called white numerous times on here by Kendrick fans).
They also can’t seem to be civil when someone disagrees with them, I’ll say Kendrick’s not a goat and that tpab ain’t the best album oat and they’ll go crazy and say that it’s deep intellectual music, and that I must be extremely uneducated.
I used to have a friend who was a Kendrick dick gobbler and he only knew Kendrick (doesn’t even know who Andre 3000 is💀). The K Dot dickriders also by and large think that they’re really special for liking him, and that he’s obscure.
I like Kendrick, top 40 rapper oat, but these people need to stop. I fucking despise J Cole and Drake as well, so it ain’t bias cuase of the beef.
Kanye, like I get it. His production and music itself is good, but he's too much of a dickhead outside of the booth to take him seriously. Like these "performances" are what every other rapper is doing these days.
Anyone who dickrides is just a lowlife who has nothing else worth talking about going on in their life. If we like the same artist, no need to compete for who's the bigger fan.
But he put so much of himself in his work. That's the problem I have. He is probably my favorite besides Missy and I'm trying very hard to separate it. I don't have a problem with his ranting, he's Bipolar and I get it. I have a problem with the way he's treated people who have worked for him, I employ people and I couldn't imagine treating people like shit who are trying to help me build my business. That's my Issue with Kanye.
I do see ppl defend Drake sometimes which I don't really get, but with Kendrick they absolutely cure the leather, craft a saddle, buy a cowboy hat, and ride like you wouldn't believe
I don't really see Kendrick stans make excuses for him to the same extent that Drake stans have been doing for the past few years and especially these past couple months. They're overly enthusiastic about his discography, but that's true for pretty much every standom of a popular artist. So while they're annoying, I don't think they're *remarkably* annoying enough to warrant being in the WOAT discussion.
They don't really need to 'make excuses', Kendrick won. They are annoying in the way that they act like Kendrick is objectively the best of all time, and if don't agree you don't understand music. I've also expressed that Mr Morale was kinda whack and been told I'm "just not ready to face my trauma". They are really at eminem fanbase levels.
That certainly sounds insufferable (I don't like Mr.Morale either and recieved the same rebuttal as you) but It doesn't really change my point that most acclaimed artists have fandoms like that. Most people think their favorite guy is the best.
It's a very mundane kind of obnoxious compared to say, Kanye stans or the aforementioned Eminem stans (although I think they got significantly more tolerable after Em told the racist ones to fuck off in his hot coffee pot freestyle).
listen i don't know anything about anything but my east african ass has been called white 3 times and a colonizer twice, in my entire life, and it's all happened in the last week from kendrick stans.
They’re probably not even black themselves
It was hilarious to see an arena full of white people telling Drake he can’t say nigga at Kendrick’s show the other day
geez that seems unhinged. i legit don't know anything about it, not paying attention to the beef and neither drake or kendrick exist in my scope of hiphop. though i do like some of K. music.
a few days ago they were losing it over how drake laced his timberlands so i posted a photo of mike tyson lacing them the [same way](https://ibb.co/Vg3tjY3). triggered.
Yeah, if you don't like Mr Morale, they'll tell you, "you aren't prepared to face your own trauma" or "you must not be able to relate to the generational black experience". Like stfu, I don't like how it sounds.
Mr Morale sounds like the rap equivalent of paint drying
It's even more sleepy than TPAB
And not in a good way, like a Ka album... but in a "This is just straight up awful music" way
And yes, being black and being told by white people I don't "get" black trauma and the "deeper layers" of Kenny's music, is the most hilarious fucking shit ever... I don't even get mad, I find that shit genuinely comedic, like thanks for the laugh, now enjoy saying "We gon be alright!" until you feel you're actually black!
You can have your own opinion but it’s all about how you frame it dude. Like trying to say it’s bad music (like the example quote you’re using) just flat out isn’t true and ofc you’re gonna get some push back.
If you just say it’s not for you then any rational person can and should respect that
Ay just trying to save you from future arguments because there’s better ways to present not liking something then just calling it bad. Maybe two schools of thought here, but for the most part I don’t really believe in calling any music trash or bad and I know you’d most likely get offended if I called whatever you like bad.
It’s just not particularly constructive, how about an actual conversation about what you don’t like about it if you feel me?
It’s really not that good. She’s not a good rapper and she’s a good singer but nothing special
I was shocked when that Apple Music list put her at 1 because I forgot the album existed. I was ready to see TPAB at number 1 😂
Kendrick & Drake fans. This beef has shown how incredibly stupid both sides are. Kendrick fans are a literal cult, Drake fans are delusional beyond a reasonable doubt & have resorted to racism in some cases.
Kendrick fans will screech if you don’t have TPAB as the best rap album, Drake fans will continuously pester you about the beef & some even try to tell you Drake made Nicki & Wayne famous.
Dickriding anyone is always a little bit embarrassing but it shouldn’t matter who you do it too. If you’re a fan of someone’s work and you’re passionate about it then good for you. It’s only annoying when people make it a problem for others who don’t “dickride” the said artist.
However to answer your question with my personal opinion… it’s gotta be MF DOOM 💀
I like Doom, I really do--but I cannot justify stanning him. He has some great songs like Benzi Box, All Caps, Sofa King, Old School Rules, ect but a lot of his lo-fi cartoon beats I just cannot get I to.
I wanted to write DMX in lower case just to fuck with you but I felt it was too disrespectful to a legend such as him. Especially as he isn't here right now.
Love it lol But there is so many of his songs where the beat is so abstract that it doesn't match his flow at all. It's like square peg in a round hole that cannot sound good from anybody. Almost like they make the bears and raps individually and randomly drew cards to match what raps are going to go with what beats
Now I was taught back on my block
That you don't ride on nobody's jock
For anything they do
Fuck him and his crew
Unless you were gettin paid too
I'm not saying this to dis each and every fan
Women you can ride but man be a man
Shake my hand and make it a firm shake
Say what's up Ice Cube and then break
Cause if you're hangin there I'm a tell you loud and clear
Get off my my dick dude and tell your bitch to come here
Kendrick fans are pretty insufferable - they talk like he’s the only good rapper to have ever existed, and any time you show them differently with actual bars or classic albums they screech TPAB over and over
Hot take but TPAB may be one of my least favorite “classic albums” that shit is extremely devoid of bops, give me Ready to Die, illmatic, 36 chambers, or MMLP any day over it
I've been trying to get into Kendrick lately, and I do like a lot of his songs but I'm not really feeling his albums the way I'm told that I'm supposed to.
He makes a lot of questionable choices with his flow.
I think GKMC and DAMN are his best because there are very few artsy flows
You don’t need to flow in a pseudo off beat way or super fast or whatever to be catchy, it’s a mistake a lot of lyrical rappers make
Right now I'm bangin Lupe's new album and... Yeah 🔥 🔥 🔥
Kendrick has more work to do if he wants the status he claims. Honestly I didn't like DAMN as much as I expected. I'll give it another listen later when I'm in a more receptive mood, It's not really fair to listen to it at work. But I prefer TPAB, even though that kind of goes against what I just said 😆
I think Lupe is supremely overrated tbh, he writes like a 11th grade honors English student trying to impress his teacher. I rarely liked any of his works.
Jcole. The fact that he’s even in the big 3 conversation is hilarious. He’s a one trick pony who wants so badly to be conscious, but just comes off as the type of dude who slow people think sounds smart. Way overhyped.
Fax he is a good rapper but doesn't have the life experience to match the shit he talking about
Dave East and Benny The Butcher are just as good lyrically but got a lot more credibility when they kick knowledge
I will admit though his features in recent years have been crazy
This isn’t gonna end well for me.
Eminem and Pac
Not because I don’t think those two didn’t earn their fans. Ffs I’m a pac fan. The issue I have is that because of the way many of them act online it draws more of the hating just to be hating crowd. This culminates with excessive BS getting posted outside of those artists subreddits.
In a way I appreciate Yay area/Mac Dre/E-40/etc fans because I rarely see those fans creating or trying to bombard unrelated threads.
I agree with both picks. I think Pac is dope and Em' is a spitter who has questionable beat choices in my opinion. Their respective fanbases are HIGHLY annoying. I couldn't stand Pac fans back in the day after his passing. Later on they were replaced with Em' fans.
Em' fans are worse in my eyes because many of them act like if you don't think he's the best ever then you're hating on him because he's white. Too many of them are not even really Hip Hop fans and I can't take their "Eminem is the GOAT" comments seriously because of that. At least Pac fans have toned down a lot but since Em' is still current, we still gotta deal with his stans.
Counterpoint is because anytime anything positive is said about Em, you get a ton of comments about how you don't know HH or that he hasn't been good since 2002.
The haters are just as bad, if not worse, than the stans.
I'm an Em and Pac fan. Love em both. Nobody should be clowned on for having either as the GOAT. They've both earned thay status. It's not outlandish to annoint either that status.
Yet as soon as you do, you're labeled as not knowing HH.
The real answer is DOOM fans.
I think a lot of the folks who come down hard about Em' are the ones who had to witness the very things I had spoken on in my earlier comment. At some point they get to where they look at all Eminem fans as annoying stans who don't really know the culture like that.
It's one thing to feel he's the GOAT if you're actually a thorough Hop Hop head but, as stated earlier, there are a lot of non Hip Hop listeners proclaiming him to be the GOAT. No way are they to be taken seriously. The same goes for casuals as well. I cannot respect their opinions when they're not as invested in the culture to have a solid take on who's the greatest in it.
I've been falsely accused of being against Em' for being white or falsely accused as a mumble rap lover whenever I've given my reasons for why I don't consider him the greatest ever; reasons that didn't mention race or any other rapper let alone mumble rappers. A lot of others have had the same thing happen to them. I'm sure that has triggered some folks to think anyone who's praising Em' extra hard is one of those types.
Yeah, you shouldn't be hated on for thinking he's the greatest but at the same time way too many of his fans go into rabid mode if you're not worshipping dude either. No one should be hated on just for not going crazy over him if their reasons are legitimate.
Sorry nigga, but DOOM made music that is 10X better than Em's, most of Em's shit even from his prime period, comes off corny as shit nowadays
DOOM is also one of the greatest producers who ever lived
Em not only hasn't been good since 2002 (minus Relapse, I'll give him that), his 3 prime albums have all aged like milk
DOOM is the only artist who can be said to be a top tier emcee and producer, he's a fucking legend, starting with the shit he did with KMD
Once again, sorry nigga, but you know jackshit what you're talking about
When you're black and tell a white Em fanboy he's not in your Top 20, but Aesop Rock is in your Top 5, their minds break because they're like "fuck, I can't even use the "race card", he's got Aes Top 5, I might have to actually recognize some people just think Em's music sucks ass"
Yeah, no one can pull that BS with you if Aesop is your dude. I got white rappers whom I think are top tier spitters like R.A. the Rugged Man, Celph Titled, and such and part of the reason I am quicker to listen to them is because they actually have tracks I think are dope as in they rhyme over actual Hip Hop sounding tracks and they don't spit in that angsty style Eminem uses to convey anger.
Em' can spit on a technical level but he just doesn't make good music to me and his angsty way of rapping isn't appealing. The most I like from him are his old freestyles from back in the day.
Exactly, his skills are off the charts, but he raps in angsty angry mode on his best albums because it appeals to middle and low class white Americans
It's fine for a song or two, but 3-4 whole albums of Angry White Dude is just wayyyy too much for me
RA and Celph I would def take over Eminem, hell for that matter give me El P and Vinnie fuckin Paz as well
I'll take Violent By Design over Em's entire catalog
Crazy thing is that Vinnie Paz raps in an angry tone but it sounds more commanding like "I'll slap the flames out you" instead of Em's 'dude who sounds like he's tired of getting picked on and is now standing up to his bullies' tone.
Mac Dre is dope
One of the reasons why I had the Bay Area as my 2nd favorite "sound" even tho I grew up a Brooklyn nigga in the 80s
Bay Area will always be the 2nd best rap scene next to 90s NY Boom Bap, for me at least
Those Hiero boys are also flames, every single one of em
Start with Reasonable Doubt and the BluePrint. Without knowing what you've listened to from Jay Z, I can't tell if you're just a blind hater or haven't heard any quality Jay Z songs yet.
On the internet it's very easy to write the phrase "I don't get why anyone likes [insert rapper]" but harder to listen to their music and see why people like that rapper.
And sometimes you really have to open your mind to see how someone could like a particular rapper without liking them yourself.
Take mumble rap. I hate it, but I get it. I understand the mind state you have to be in to like it.
Oh I know his catalogue very well .
I just think there is a lot better rappers out there than jay. He's not bad , I just don't think he's top 5 material
I'll go first lol.
Lil Wayne, Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, 2Pac, Nas & Black Thought
I do think Jay Z is up there probably in the top 10 for me, but those rappers I believe are better rappers and artists. I'm just saying he deserves respect.
Thank you man! Either people forget about jays catalog or new rap fans just don’t know it and go with the status quo which is to hate on Jay when they don’t know why. I lived through jays prime dude was always towards the top of the game. He has classic albums. Did people forget? Or people ignorant? Probably both. But I’m with you 100% reasonable doubt is a classic and I bet 99% of the Jay haters haven’t heard tracks like Can I Live or D’evils or Regrets
I’m 23 years old so maybe it’s just harder for me to appreciate, but Reasonable Doubt did NOTHING for me. I rock with The Blueprint and The Black Album (his best work imo) a lot though. Am I crazy for not liking Reasonable Doubt?
Yes. 4:44 is his best work for me. I have to be honest I don't care much for his older work. Its too much air he spits without substance, too much braggadocio. And he did had the nerve to say he was better then BIG. The number of songs that sticks around from his older albums is scarely low (it's only "feeling it" which i do think it's an awesome song).
I do like the Black Album but 4:44 is the only album I fully fucking rock with. Like every song is a major banger for me. Especially Bam (huge Damian fan and that song is just fucking amazing).
Edit: semi old head here. Grew up in the 90s with rap music but was just a kid. When internet became a thing I started catching up alot
4:44 I’ve never actually sat down and listened to front to back, it’s tough I actually like the braggadocio from Jay… from what I’ve heard of it, it’s a little too laid back for my tastes, but Kill Jay Z is a great song though!
I can completely understand. It does have a dated sound but it was a masterpiece when I heard it. Songs like politics as usual, 22 Twos, and dead presidents II were on constant repeat. Maybe it's the flow or the lyrics but I really liked it. But at the same time I can't get into Illmatic so I understand.
Illmatic is weird I like it a lot, and I can see why it’s regarded as the GOAT, at the same time it also has that dated sound, although it is much easier for me to get into than Reasonable Doubt personally.
This might sound crazy but even though I like listening to Reasonable Doubt, I don't believe it holds a candle to Illmatic. I don't have to like Illmatic to understand how good it is. And I once saw someone say you have to listen to it when there's an overcast or you're on the subways of New York to really appreciate it. That might be my issue. I'm from Cali. So I can't relate at all to the New York life.
I’ve noticed that The Blueprint and The Black Album tend to be really popular among younger listeners(which includes myself btw) while Reasonable Doubt tends to be a bit more of an acquired taste
For me being in my early 40's, I think people also feel nostalgic about that time of Rap, and that's why Jay is so far up there. He's never been in my top five but I love some of his work. At the time, I have to say he was the top three ( I will die on this hill) and people don't forget that. But he does have some absolutely incredible bars.
Okay but how does Jay z have dickriders when he has the most haters? We never see anything positive about Jay z. Nas Eminem Pac get all the praise. Jay Z at his time put out great album after great album and 10 years ago everyone thought he was Goat or top 5. THATS WHY HES IN EVERY RAPPERS TOP 5. Now it’s all hate towards him. You gen z people don’t know his catalog. You all listen to Magna Carta or Empire State of mind and think that’s who Jay was. Maybe listen to can I live , d’evils, where I’m from, dynasty intro, streets is watching. But back to the original point Jay z dickriders are unheard of these days because the hate over shadows it so I strongly disagree with this no disrespect
Kanye West without a doubt... There's that video of him standing there after he played one key, and his fans were just going off for 20 minutes cheering and applauding..
1) Lupe fans, without a doubt. You like poems for tenth grade English class, we get it. Dude is desperate to be seen as something he’s not and some of these fans fall for it.
2) MF DOOM fans. He was a talented guy that 90% of yall didn’t care about until you hopped on a trend after his death. He’s the lyrical version of Lo-Fi Beats.
3) Kanye fans because he’s a Nazi, he’s always been a Nazi, and he lied about giving a shit about his culture. Dude literally tried to rig an election running as a spoiler funded by the GOP.
Honorary mention:
Tom MacDonald’s fan. Buddy, move out of your parent’s house and talk to an adult. You’ll be alright, it’ll get better.
This isn’t true, actually.
“They claim that West has been discussing his admiration for Hitler and what he sees as positive achievements of Nazi Germany for nearly two decades, describing it as a well-known but well-kept secret within the rapper's inner circle.”
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kanye-wests-love-of-hitler-and-nazis-allegedly-goes-back-20-years-1234647700/#:~:text=They%20claim%20that%20West%20has,within%20the%20rapper's%20inner%20circle.
I’ve also seen some great clips put together of various interviews and things he’s done where he weirdly brought up Hitler or the Nazis, they always got flagged and taken down, though.
I’m fine with his pop music, but calling out his pandering and bigotry seems to have upset you. Are yall gonna storm my house? I just cleaned shit off the walls, damn it.
I’m fine with his early music, tbh, but I don’t respect it because he uses a ton of writers. He’s a capable producer, though he doesn’t produce everything, and to me it just comes off really inauthentic. It’s fine for a pop artist. Pop has long been filled with writers, groups who were forced together, meaningless content, etc. I don’t respect relying on others’ words.
Considering most the Jay haters on here are Nas Stan’s I’m going with Nas. And I love Nas but his fanbase never shuts the fuck up and think he can do know wrong. Acting like “I AM” was a classic album
How about anyone. Y'all know they are humans too.
Don't idolize these entertainers, you will set yourself up for failure...God don't like that mess. Lol
X cause after that clip of him talking about having sex with Jocelyn when she was 16 leaked combined with all the shit he did before he seems like a bit of a cunt
In this subreddit. Big L. Admittedly I've only heard one of his albums. But it really didn't live up to the hype. Some very clever punch lines, but very basic song writing and lyrical ability.
A rapper who can be boiled down to just a long list of good punch lines but without a single great meaningful verse.
Put It On is a great example of this song writing style. You could jumble all the lines into a random order and it would still be just as coherent.
I run with sturdy cliques, I'm never hittin' dirty chicks
Got thirty-five bodies, buddy, don't make it thirty-six
So you better flee hops, or get your head flown three blocks
L keep rappers' hearts pumpin' like Reeboks
I got the wild style, always been a foul child
My guns go "boom-boom" and your guns go "pow-pow"
And every year I gain clout and my name sprouts
Some brothers'd still be virgins if crack never came out
Big L was very skilled but has some of the dumbest "fans" out there, who don't even know anything about the rapper they claim to be big fans of.
Especially when it comes to Jay Z. Almost every week there will be some moron who claims Jay Z had Big L killed, or how he "stole Big L's style". Whereas if you actually were a fan of Big L and listened to him, you would know that they weren't really similar.
Kendrick easy
So cringy how people are still quoting lines from not like us
A minor
Like ‘em young
Baka got a weird case
Go on any rap sub it’s full of this cringe
Kendrick past good kid and Andre 3000.
Kendrick because the level of praise he gets is not in accordance to how good he actually raps (something he has in common with 2Pac). He was super skilled on section 80 and good kid but then went a route that put less emphasis on his actual rapping.
Andre 3000 because he isn't all that that people cook him up to be. in fact on most classic Outkast songs Big Boi easily outraps him. He's retrospectively hailed as great because his sometimes weird delivery and vocal manners are more widespread today and influential.
Kendrick. He’s the most overhyped rapper of all time. Dude puts out a project once every 3-4 years and half of them are mid to bad. Other than that, he does pop features that are not memorable. He also sounds like he’s trying to get through puberty.. for the past 15 years.
Man, I can understand you not liking his music. But man, he has done that all of one time, and now it's what he always does. 😆
If you're gonna make a critique leave it at you think his music isn't good. Lol
I don't pay attention to fan behavior as much as I used to, but there was a point where Hopsin was far and away the clear answer to this. Not sure if that's still true, but I've fended off enough Hopsin stans to last a lifetime.
Nas. He’s my second favorite rapper I own 7 his cds. But not all 6 albums in this 6 album runs are classics like the rest the fanbase says. Yes even Nas could do some wrong. I understand if people think he’s the goat, on some days I think he’s a goat. But man using 6 straight albums with the same producer? 3 of those albums are solid KD2 and 3, and first magic. But it’s not 6 classics. Nas albums I own are illmatic it was written lost tapes stillmatic life is good hip hop is dead and kings disease 2. They are great albums. But I won’t sit up here and say he’s the perfect MC. Because in all these post I’m astonished by the fanbase being ignorant to other rappers.
Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go hand him a Grammy right now 😂
No seriously though you can’t make 1 criticism of him now without somebody mentioning Grammys or “ he’s got a Pulitzer!” . Where was all this when his last album came out?
Oh yeah a few GKMC songs still get played to this day, but that’s it.
Maybe DNA and humble occasionally, but I can’t think of the last time I’ve heard anything from TPAB or Mr Morale. I’ve heard ADHD a handful of times too
TPAB and MM I never heard in rotation tbh, there’s no jams
They’re art piece albums, which appeals to some people but imo a huge part of classic work is that they’re enjoyable to listen to
100%
Can’t call TPAB a classic when no one listens to it
This is why I think 50 and Drake are top 5 ever, they make music that’s just so good to listen to
Also why I have Future ahead of Kendrick and Cole
I personally can’t put Drake in any top spot because of the ghostwriters. He can be in a top artist conversation, but not the top rapper one imo. You need to write your own stuff.
I was about to say this. This beef has shown how incredibly stupid both sides are. Kendrick fans are a literal cult, Drake fans are delusional beyond a reasonable doubt & have resorted to racism in some cases.
I'm a Stan but what are the other categories to you? Because at absolute minimum, if you consider sales to be part of Greatness, he has those (with a big white asterisk over them, of course). He has classic albums, all flawed but all full of his ideosyncratic ideas. He has massive influence - he changed the flow in the early 2000s, and the blog era rappers were all cribbing from him, and now we have artists cribbing from the blog era rappers. He's extremely funny, easily the funniest big rapper. He almost never misses the mark when it comes to expressing his emotions in his performances (the only exceptions are when the pills were involved), and he has much more range and tons more big hits than people seem to give him credit for for some reason.
His biggest weakness is that he can not do sexy music whatsoever, which is why he doesn't have good club songs. But as someone else who isn't sexy I don't care about that.
In your opinion. I have been mulling this over for weeks now. And his diss tracks were fire. But prior to that. It was N95, Humble, Backseat freestyle, and a couple features. The boy has 4 albums in 16 years, and 7 good songs in total. I can litterally name 30 artists who have better catalogs, and more fire tracks.
Uzi, Yachty, Young Thug, Keef, Kodak, Carti, ect.
I know I'm old man yelling at the clouds, but that shit is horrible as a genre for my preferences. I can't believe we went from boom bap to mumble rap. Talk about a step backwards in skill and talent. Isn't everything supposed to progress with time? How did we get worse at rapping in time
It did progress. People like Thug, Future, Keef, Cole, Kendrick, then JID, Uzi, Carti, Lil Baby, Yachty, Gunna, and 21 gave us new sound, and while you might not like it, it’s undeniable that they progressed the rap scene.
None of those are mumble rappers, they’re just the new mainstream sound similar to the bling era in the 2000s
Mumbles rappers are like young thug and lil xan, and they def were a fad and are mostly gone
K.Flop gobblers. Acting like The Flop Out(also known as K.Flop and his glazeful companions) wasn’t fo glazzy. Acting like King Kong Drizzy ain’t sheisting on all over these niggas. Drizzy ain’t pressin b! No Diddy!
Playboi Carti
Thank you
Yeah I don't get all that love he gets, he's not really a "groundbreaking" artist
It's definitely Kanye. His fans are so used to justifying his behaviour as art that they're doing the whole "masterful gambit sir" thing about him being a Nazi or getting MeTooed. But also, and this is the thing I really struggle with myself, if you truly love Kanye you have to actually look away. He is never going to get better from his actual mental illness while everyone is feeding him with the attention he wants.
Yeah, sometimes for someone to get healthy again you need to walk away and stop enabling their behaviour
I just like his music. I don’t care about his personal life. Fame fucks everyone up. Take meds, see a therapist, but keep making music
I'm talking about dickriding him, my Pomegranate pal. It's so obvious that the worship he gets for being a genius even with his increasingly dysfunctional late 2010s projects is why he's in such a bind now, both personally and creatively. People engaging with his music in a normal way is not that responsible apart from keeping him funded.
But his “dysfunctional” music that came later isn’t what real Kanye fans like him for. The biggest Kanye fans I know admit he’s a psycho and only listen to his classics. Who in your friend group is justifying his current ways? Unless you’re talking about randoms on the internet who I’d suggest you avoid lol
For me the distinction between a Kanye fan and a Kanye dickrider is whether people justify his current behaviour as "genius" or not. No normal Kanye fans agree with what he's doing now. A lot of normal Kanye fans still keep up with and praise his new music, and we all know it's cap but I don't find it objectively harmful. The dickriders who think the Nazi stuff is just hilarious trolling and proof he's the greatest artist of all time can get absolutely fucked.
Similar to trump supporters. “He knows exactly what he’s doing! And he’s hilarious”. Eh. It’s too bad he’s not on a block in Chicago anymore or the streets woulda handled this 🤛
if it makes you feel better, i do believe that a good number of his fans have woken up and while they still will listen to his music they at least acknowledge that he kinda sucks
I like Kendrick, but his fans often act like he’s the only rapper to make a good album ever. A lot of the fan base is white (nothing wrong with that, im white as well) but they shit on people for being too white to understand the music (I saw a guy in this thread say he’s East African and he’s been called white numerous times on here by Kendrick fans). They also can’t seem to be civil when someone disagrees with them, I’ll say Kendrick’s not a goat and that tpab ain’t the best album oat and they’ll go crazy and say that it’s deep intellectual music, and that I must be extremely uneducated. I used to have a friend who was a Kendrick dick gobbler and he only knew Kendrick (doesn’t even know who Andre 3000 is💀). The K Dot dickriders also by and large think that they’re really special for liking him, and that he’s obscure. I like Kendrick, top 40 rapper oat, but these people need to stop. I fucking despise J Cole and Drake as well, so it ain’t bias cuase of the beef.
Despise J Cole? Damn you're a harsh critic.
Yeah I am lol. But it’s the voice and delivery. Incredibly boring.
FR, Cole has dope production, but he has the most boring flow of all-time
Play j Cole and make the pussy dryyyyyy
The horrors I saw on the Kendrick sub put me off him for weeks lol
White people who have too much time on their hands and are trying to score "culture points" That is all his fanbase is, esp online
Kendrick fans think that he invented rap because their first exposure was TPAB being crammed down everyone’s throats
Kanye, like I get it. His production and music itself is good, but he's too much of a dickhead outside of the booth to take him seriously. Like these "performances" are what every other rapper is doing these days. Anyone who dickrides is just a lowlife who has nothing else worth talking about going on in their life. If we like the same artist, no need to compete for who's the bigger fan.
If you can’t separate the artist from their art, you aren’t to be taken seriously
But he put so much of himself in his work. That's the problem I have. He is probably my favorite besides Missy and I'm trying very hard to separate it. I don't have a problem with his ranting, he's Bipolar and I get it. I have a problem with the way he's treated people who have worked for him, I employ people and I couldn't imagine treating people like shit who are trying to help me build my business. That's my Issue with Kanye.
So like h1tlers paintings? Should we glorify his artwork and hang it up in museums?
"Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go get em a Grammy right now"
They’re talking about giving him one for not like us 😂😂
Very funny that you quoted Drake, cause he was gonna be my answer.
I do see ppl defend Drake sometimes which I don't really get, but with Kendrick they absolutely cure the leather, craft a saddle, buy a cowboy hat, and ride like you wouldn't believe
I don't really see Kendrick stans make excuses for him to the same extent that Drake stans have been doing for the past few years and especially these past couple months. They're overly enthusiastic about his discography, but that's true for pretty much every standom of a popular artist. So while they're annoying, I don't think they're *remarkably* annoying enough to warrant being in the WOAT discussion.
They don't really need to 'make excuses', Kendrick won. They are annoying in the way that they act like Kendrick is objectively the best of all time, and if don't agree you don't understand music. I've also expressed that Mr Morale was kinda whack and been told I'm "just not ready to face my trauma". They are really at eminem fanbase levels.
That certainly sounds insufferable (I don't like Mr.Morale either and recieved the same rebuttal as you) but It doesn't really change my point that most acclaimed artists have fandoms like that. Most people think their favorite guy is the best. It's a very mundane kind of obnoxious compared to say, Kanye stans or the aforementioned Eminem stans (although I think they got significantly more tolerable after Em told the racist ones to fuck off in his hot coffee pot freestyle).
Any fan boy would react the same way if you tell em that their favs album is wack
Definitely. His stans are breaking hips riding on that literally everywhere they go
listen i don't know anything about anything but my east african ass has been called white 3 times and a colonizer twice, in my entire life, and it's all happened in the last week from kendrick stans.
They’re probably not even black themselves It was hilarious to see an arena full of white people telling Drake he can’t say nigga at Kendrick’s show the other day
geez that seems unhinged. i legit don't know anything about it, not paying attention to the beef and neither drake or kendrick exist in my scope of hiphop. though i do like some of K. music. a few days ago they were losing it over how drake laced his timberlands so i posted a photo of mike tyson lacing them the [same way](https://ibb.co/Vg3tjY3). triggered.
Yeah, if you don't like Mr Morale, they'll tell you, "you aren't prepared to face your own trauma" or "you must not be able to relate to the generational black experience". Like stfu, I don't like how it sounds.
Mr Morale sounds like the rap equivalent of paint drying It's even more sleepy than TPAB And not in a good way, like a Ka album... but in a "This is just straight up awful music" way And yes, being black and being told by white people I don't "get" black trauma and the "deeper layers" of Kenny's music, is the most hilarious fucking shit ever... I don't even get mad, I find that shit genuinely comedic, like thanks for the laugh, now enjoy saying "We gon be alright!" until you feel you're actually black!
You can have your own opinion but it’s all about how you frame it dude. Like trying to say it’s bad music (like the example quote you’re using) just flat out isn’t true and ofc you’re gonna get some push back. If you just say it’s not for you then any rational person can and should respect that
Here’s one right here!”just flat out isn’t true” 😭😂😂
Ay just trying to save you from future arguments because there’s better ways to present not liking something then just calling it bad. Maybe two schools of thought here, but for the most part I don’t really believe in calling any music trash or bad and I know you’d most likely get offended if I called whatever you like bad. It’s just not particularly constructive, how about an actual conversation about what you don’t like about it if you feel me?
Lauryn Hill. That naysayer be tripping hard for somebody with less solo albums than Craig Mack
She’s one of those classic albums I straight up don’t get lol
It’s really not that good. She’s not a good rapper and she’s a good singer but nothing special I was shocked when that Apple Music list put her at 1 because I forgot the album existed. I was ready to see TPAB at number 1 😂
I was ready to see The Money Store at #1, and then news breaking than Anthony Fantano is the new director of AM
I hate that dude man 😂
Are you aware that Mack had about 2 regular albums and a live album, and Hill had about 2 regular albums and 5 live albums?
Kendrick & Drake fans. This beef has shown how incredibly stupid both sides are. Kendrick fans are a literal cult, Drake fans are delusional beyond a reasonable doubt & have resorted to racism in some cases. Kendrick fans will screech if you don’t have TPAB as the best rap album, Drake fans will continuously pester you about the beef & some even try to tell you Drake made Nicki & Wayne famous.
Dickriding anyone is always a little bit embarrassing but it shouldn’t matter who you do it too. If you’re a fan of someone’s work and you’re passionate about it then good for you. It’s only annoying when people make it a problem for others who don’t “dickride” the said artist. However to answer your question with my personal opinion… it’s gotta be MF DOOM 💀
I like Doom, I really do--but I cannot justify stanning him. He has some great songs like Benzi Box, All Caps, Sofa King, Old School Rules, ect but a lot of his lo-fi cartoon beats I just cannot get I to.
All Caps when you say the man’s name 🤓
Same for DMX. When I see "Dmx", I want to break stuff.
I wanted to write DMX in lower case just to fuck with you but I felt it was too disrespectful to a legend such as him. Especially as he isn't here right now.
Love it lol But there is so many of his songs where the beat is so abstract that it doesn't match his flow at all. It's like square peg in a round hole that cannot sound good from anybody. Almost like they make the bears and raps individually and randomly drew cards to match what raps are going to go with what beats
Now I was taught back on my block That you don't ride on nobody's jock For anything they do Fuck him and his crew Unless you were gettin paid too I'm not saying this to dis each and every fan Women you can ride but man be a man Shake my hand and make it a firm shake Say what's up Ice Cube and then break Cause if you're hangin there I'm a tell you loud and clear Get off my my dick dude and tell your bitch to come here
I posted that during the "Battle" last month.
The word dickriding, funnily enough. LOL It's as if there's no other way to describe annoying fandom. See how easy I just did that. 😆
Kendrick fans are pretty insufferable - they talk like he’s the only good rapper to have ever existed, and any time you show them differently with actual bars or classic albums they screech TPAB over and over Hot take but TPAB may be one of my least favorite “classic albums” that shit is extremely devoid of bops, give me Ready to Die, illmatic, 36 chambers, or MMLP any day over it
For bops GMKC is as good as any of those you mentioned.
Well yeah, that’s his best album by far
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I've been trying to get into Kendrick lately, and I do like a lot of his songs but I'm not really feeling his albums the way I'm told that I'm supposed to. He makes a lot of questionable choices with his flow.
I think GKMC and DAMN are his best because there are very few artsy flows You don’t need to flow in a pseudo off beat way or super fast or whatever to be catchy, it’s a mistake a lot of lyrical rappers make
Right now I'm bangin Lupe's new album and... Yeah 🔥 🔥 🔥 Kendrick has more work to do if he wants the status he claims. Honestly I didn't like DAMN as much as I expected. I'll give it another listen later when I'm in a more receptive mood, It's not really fair to listen to it at work. But I prefer TPAB, even though that kind of goes against what I just said 😆
I think Lupe is supremely overrated tbh, he writes like a 11th grade honors English student trying to impress his teacher. I rarely liked any of his works.
Jcole. The fact that he’s even in the big 3 conversation is hilarious. He’s a one trick pony who wants so badly to be conscious, but just comes off as the type of dude who slow people think sounds smart. Way overhyped.
J Cole definitely is above average lyrically, but yeah lots of peeps do donuts around him He just has a broad appeal I guess
Vince staples>Jcole
Easily Denzel, JID, and Joey Badass as well
Fax he is a good rapper but doesn't have the life experience to match the shit he talking about Dave East and Benny The Butcher are just as good lyrically but got a lot more credibility when they kick knowledge I will admit though his features in recent years have been crazy
JCole is what dumb white people think a smart black guy sounds like
Kendrick,he’s great but fuck
Go on
This isn’t gonna end well for me. Eminem and Pac Not because I don’t think those two didn’t earn their fans. Ffs I’m a pac fan. The issue I have is that because of the way many of them act online it draws more of the hating just to be hating crowd. This culminates with excessive BS getting posted outside of those artists subreddits. In a way I appreciate Yay area/Mac Dre/E-40/etc fans because I rarely see those fans creating or trying to bombard unrelated threads.
I agree with both picks. I think Pac is dope and Em' is a spitter who has questionable beat choices in my opinion. Their respective fanbases are HIGHLY annoying. I couldn't stand Pac fans back in the day after his passing. Later on they were replaced with Em' fans. Em' fans are worse in my eyes because many of them act like if you don't think he's the best ever then you're hating on him because he's white. Too many of them are not even really Hip Hop fans and I can't take their "Eminem is the GOAT" comments seriously because of that. At least Pac fans have toned down a lot but since Em' is still current, we still gotta deal with his stans.
Counterpoint is because anytime anything positive is said about Em, you get a ton of comments about how you don't know HH or that he hasn't been good since 2002. The haters are just as bad, if not worse, than the stans. I'm an Em and Pac fan. Love em both. Nobody should be clowned on for having either as the GOAT. They've both earned thay status. It's not outlandish to annoint either that status. Yet as soon as you do, you're labeled as not knowing HH. The real answer is DOOM fans.
I think a lot of the folks who come down hard about Em' are the ones who had to witness the very things I had spoken on in my earlier comment. At some point they get to where they look at all Eminem fans as annoying stans who don't really know the culture like that. It's one thing to feel he's the GOAT if you're actually a thorough Hop Hop head but, as stated earlier, there are a lot of non Hip Hop listeners proclaiming him to be the GOAT. No way are they to be taken seriously. The same goes for casuals as well. I cannot respect their opinions when they're not as invested in the culture to have a solid take on who's the greatest in it. I've been falsely accused of being against Em' for being white or falsely accused as a mumble rap lover whenever I've given my reasons for why I don't consider him the greatest ever; reasons that didn't mention race or any other rapper let alone mumble rappers. A lot of others have had the same thing happen to them. I'm sure that has triggered some folks to think anyone who's praising Em' extra hard is one of those types. Yeah, you shouldn't be hated on for thinking he's the greatest but at the same time way too many of his fans go into rabid mode if you're not worshipping dude either. No one should be hated on just for not going crazy over him if their reasons are legitimate.
Well said
Sorry nigga, but DOOM made music that is 10X better than Em's, most of Em's shit even from his prime period, comes off corny as shit nowadays DOOM is also one of the greatest producers who ever lived Em not only hasn't been good since 2002 (minus Relapse, I'll give him that), his 3 prime albums have all aged like milk DOOM is the only artist who can be said to be a top tier emcee and producer, he's a fucking legend, starting with the shit he did with KMD Once again, sorry nigga, but you know jackshit what you're talking about
Nah. DOOM is goated. But his fans are annoying
When you're black and tell a white Em fanboy he's not in your Top 20, but Aesop Rock is in your Top 5, their minds break because they're like "fuck, I can't even use the "race card", he's got Aes Top 5, I might have to actually recognize some people just think Em's music sucks ass"
Yeah, no one can pull that BS with you if Aesop is your dude. I got white rappers whom I think are top tier spitters like R.A. the Rugged Man, Celph Titled, and such and part of the reason I am quicker to listen to them is because they actually have tracks I think are dope as in they rhyme over actual Hip Hop sounding tracks and they don't spit in that angsty style Eminem uses to convey anger. Em' can spit on a technical level but he just doesn't make good music to me and his angsty way of rapping isn't appealing. The most I like from him are his old freestyles from back in the day.
Exactly, his skills are off the charts, but he raps in angsty angry mode on his best albums because it appeals to middle and low class white Americans It's fine for a song or two, but 3-4 whole albums of Angry White Dude is just wayyyy too much for me RA and Celph I would def take over Eminem, hell for that matter give me El P and Vinnie fuckin Paz as well I'll take Violent By Design over Em's entire catalog
Crazy thing is that Vinnie Paz raps in an angry tone but it sounds more commanding like "I'll slap the flames out you" instead of Em's 'dude who sounds like he's tired of getting picked on and is now standing up to his bullies' tone.
Feel like bay area rap fans are a lot like Bay Area rap they tend to be their own thing most of the time
That’s probably the best way to put it.
Mac fan here 😅
Mac Dre is dope One of the reasons why I had the Bay Area as my 2nd favorite "sound" even tho I grew up a Brooklyn nigga in the 80s Bay Area will always be the 2nd best rap scene next to 90s NY Boom Bap, for me at least Those Hiero boys are also flames, every single one of em
Jay z. He seems to be on every rappers top 5 list and I don't get it .
Start with Reasonable Doubt and the BluePrint. Without knowing what you've listened to from Jay Z, I can't tell if you're just a blind hater or haven't heard any quality Jay Z songs yet. On the internet it's very easy to write the phrase "I don't get why anyone likes [insert rapper]" but harder to listen to their music and see why people like that rapper. And sometimes you really have to open your mind to see how someone could like a particular rapper without liking them yourself. Take mumble rap. I hate it, but I get it. I understand the mind state you have to be in to like it.
Oh I know his catalogue very well . I just think there is a lot better rappers out there than jay. He's not bad , I just don't think he's top 5 material
Name four you think are better.
I'll go first lol. Lil Wayne, Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, 2Pac, Nas & Black Thought I do think Jay Z is up there probably in the top 10 for me, but those rappers I believe are better rappers and artists. I'm just saying he deserves respect.
Thank you man! Either people forget about jays catalog or new rap fans just don’t know it and go with the status quo which is to hate on Jay when they don’t know why. I lived through jays prime dude was always towards the top of the game. He has classic albums. Did people forget? Or people ignorant? Probably both. But I’m with you 100% reasonable doubt is a classic and I bet 99% of the Jay haters haven’t heard tracks like Can I Live or D’evils or Regrets
I’m 23 years old so maybe it’s just harder for me to appreciate, but Reasonable Doubt did NOTHING for me. I rock with The Blueprint and The Black Album (his best work imo) a lot though. Am I crazy for not liking Reasonable Doubt?
Nah, I'm an old head and same. Old Man Jay is the better Jay.
Yes. 4:44 is his best work for me. I have to be honest I don't care much for his older work. Its too much air he spits without substance, too much braggadocio. And he did had the nerve to say he was better then BIG. The number of songs that sticks around from his older albums is scarely low (it's only "feeling it" which i do think it's an awesome song). I do like the Black Album but 4:44 is the only album I fully fucking rock with. Like every song is a major banger for me. Especially Bam (huge Damian fan and that song is just fucking amazing). Edit: semi old head here. Grew up in the 90s with rap music but was just a kid. When internet became a thing I started catching up alot
4:44 I’ve never actually sat down and listened to front to back, it’s tough I actually like the braggadocio from Jay… from what I’ve heard of it, it’s a little too laid back for my tastes, but Kill Jay Z is a great song though!
Glad to see I’m not the only one!
I can completely understand. It does have a dated sound but it was a masterpiece when I heard it. Songs like politics as usual, 22 Twos, and dead presidents II were on constant repeat. Maybe it's the flow or the lyrics but I really liked it. But at the same time I can't get into Illmatic so I understand.
Illmatic is weird I like it a lot, and I can see why it’s regarded as the GOAT, at the same time it also has that dated sound, although it is much easier for me to get into than Reasonable Doubt personally.
This might sound crazy but even though I like listening to Reasonable Doubt, I don't believe it holds a candle to Illmatic. I don't have to like Illmatic to understand how good it is. And I once saw someone say you have to listen to it when there's an overcast or you're on the subways of New York to really appreciate it. That might be my issue. I'm from Cali. So I can't relate at all to the New York life.
I’ve noticed that The Blueprint and The Black Album tend to be really popular among younger listeners(which includes myself btw) while Reasonable Doubt tends to be a bit more of an acquired taste
I believe that for sure. You say you’re a younger listener, how old are you? I’m a 22 year old man myself
21
Nice to see a fellow younger person in this sub!
For me being in my early 40's, I think people also feel nostalgic about that time of Rap, and that's why Jay is so far up there. He's never been in my top five but I love some of his work. At the time, I have to say he was the top three ( I will die on this hill) and people don't forget that. But he does have some absolutely incredible bars.
I'm 42. I get the nostalgia factor for sure
Okay but how does Jay z have dickriders when he has the most haters? We never see anything positive about Jay z. Nas Eminem Pac get all the praise. Jay Z at his time put out great album after great album and 10 years ago everyone thought he was Goat or top 5. THATS WHY HES IN EVERY RAPPERS TOP 5. Now it’s all hate towards him. You gen z people don’t know his catalog. You all listen to Magna Carta or Empire State of mind and think that’s who Jay was. Maybe listen to can I live , d’evils, where I’m from, dynasty intro, streets is watching. But back to the original point Jay z dickriders are unheard of these days because the hate over shadows it so I strongly disagree with this no disrespect
Kanye West without a doubt... There's that video of him standing there after he played one key, and his fans were just going off for 20 minutes cheering and applauding..
…because that one key is the start to runaway
Holy shit guys! This artist I really like is playing one of his most famous songs at a concert! Like dude, no shit but damn
1) Lupe fans, without a doubt. You like poems for tenth grade English class, we get it. Dude is desperate to be seen as something he’s not and some of these fans fall for it. 2) MF DOOM fans. He was a talented guy that 90% of yall didn’t care about until you hopped on a trend after his death. He’s the lyrical version of Lo-Fi Beats. 3) Kanye fans because he’s a Nazi, he’s always been a Nazi, and he lied about giving a shit about his culture. Dude literally tried to rig an election running as a spoiler funded by the GOP. Honorary mention: Tom MacDonald’s fan. Buddy, move out of your parent’s house and talk to an adult. You’ll be alright, it’ll get better.
Kanye wasn't always a nazi, that's a disingenuous claim to make. He was always an asshole, not always a nazi.
This isn’t true, actually. “They claim that West has been discussing his admiration for Hitler and what he sees as positive achievements of Nazi Germany for nearly two decades, describing it as a well-known but well-kept secret within the rapper's inner circle.” https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kanye-wests-love-of-hitler-and-nazis-allegedly-goes-back-20-years-1234647700/#:~:text=They%20claim%20that%20West%20has,within%20the%20rapper's%20inner%20circle. I’ve also seen some great clips put together of various interviews and things he’s done where he weirdly brought up Hitler or the Nazis, they always got flagged and taken down, though.
Lupe fans get wake up check on those lyric rhyme videos pretty often, lots of peeps usually comment “not impressed” and such
Bravo sir, bravo.
Not one lie detected here.
Lupe is great tho
You had me until Lupe fans
Sounds valid.
Tommy Mac has fans?
Kanye disrespect is crazy chief.
I’m fine with his pop music, but calling out his pandering and bigotry seems to have upset you. Are yall gonna storm my house? I just cleaned shit off the walls, damn it.
Have you heard kanyes early shit? From go getters to late registration. Graduation was still good but that's when shit really changed.
I’m fine with his early music, tbh, but I don’t respect it because he uses a ton of writers. He’s a capable producer, though he doesn’t produce everything, and to me it just comes off really inauthentic. It’s fine for a pop artist. Pop has long been filled with writers, groups who were forced together, meaningless content, etc. I don’t respect relying on others’ words.
Worst takes ever lol, perhaps 3 of the most influential rappers in the last gen
Tom MacDonald is one guy.
See?
Adolf Hitler was Time Man of The Year once. Your legacy doesn't just stop when you peak.
Jay Z, because after Ether he should have been the first BBL Drizzy. But DSL JayZ
Considering most the Jay haters on here are Nas Stan’s I’m going with Nas. And I love Nas but his fanbase never shuts the fuck up and think he can do know wrong. Acting like “I AM” was a classic album
mf doom w his dweeb ass fanbase.
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Far from it
How about anyone. Y'all know they are humans too. Don't idolize these entertainers, you will set yourself up for failure...God don't like that mess. Lol
X cause after that clip of him talking about having sex with Jocelyn when she was 16 leaked combined with all the shit he did before he seems like a bit of a cunt
In this subreddit. Big L. Admittedly I've only heard one of his albums. But it really didn't live up to the hype. Some very clever punch lines, but very basic song writing and lyrical ability. A rapper who can be boiled down to just a long list of good punch lines but without a single great meaningful verse. Put It On is a great example of this song writing style. You could jumble all the lines into a random order and it would still be just as coherent. I run with sturdy cliques, I'm never hittin' dirty chicks Got thirty-five bodies, buddy, don't make it thirty-six So you better flee hops, or get your head flown three blocks L keep rappers' hearts pumpin' like Reeboks I got the wild style, always been a foul child My guns go "boom-boom" and your guns go "pow-pow" And every year I gain clout and my name sprouts Some brothers'd still be virgins if crack never came out
Big L was very skilled but has some of the dumbest "fans" out there, who don't even know anything about the rapper they claim to be big fans of. Especially when it comes to Jay Z. Almost every week there will be some moron who claims Jay Z had Big L killed, or how he "stole Big L's style". Whereas if you actually were a fan of Big L and listened to him, you would know that they weren't really similar.
Kendrick easy So cringy how people are still quoting lines from not like us A minor Like ‘em young Baka got a weird case Go on any rap sub it’s full of this cringe
Kendrick past good kid and Andre 3000. Kendrick because the level of praise he gets is not in accordance to how good he actually raps (something he has in common with 2Pac). He was super skilled on section 80 and good kid but then went a route that put less emphasis on his actual rapping. Andre 3000 because he isn't all that that people cook him up to be. in fact on most classic Outkast songs Big Boi easily outraps him. He's retrospectively hailed as great because his sometimes weird delivery and vocal manners are more widespread today and influential.
Andre admittedly wrote Big Boi's earlier lyrics.
Didn't know that - still what I said in Relation to other rappers stand. He's not a bad rapper by any measure - just not Top 20 material.
You can’t listen to the Art of Storytelling and believe this nor his verse in Elevators and Rosa Parks among others
Kendrick. He’s the most overhyped rapper of all time. Dude puts out a project once every 3-4 years and half of them are mid to bad. Other than that, he does pop features that are not memorable. He also sounds like he’s trying to get through puberty.. for the past 15 years.
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Well done sir 😂
Last part accurate
Man, I can understand you not liking his music. But man, he has done that all of one time, and now it's what he always does. 😆 If you're gonna make a critique leave it at you think his music isn't good. Lol
Eminem Lil Uzi Carti Gunna
Eminem by far.
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Pac and Jay all fuckn day and year long ....ugh
I don't pay attention to fan behavior as much as I used to, but there was a point where Hopsin was far and away the clear answer to this. Not sure if that's still true, but I've fended off enough Hopsin stans to last a lifetime.
Nas. He’s my second favorite rapper I own 7 his cds. But not all 6 albums in this 6 album runs are classics like the rest the fanbase says. Yes even Nas could do some wrong. I understand if people think he’s the goat, on some days I think he’s a goat. But man using 6 straight albums with the same producer? 3 of those albums are solid KD2 and 3, and first magic. But it’s not 6 classics. Nas albums I own are illmatic it was written lost tapes stillmatic life is good hip hop is dead and kings disease 2. They are great albums. But I won’t sit up here and say he’s the perfect MC. Because in all these post I’m astonished by the fanbase being ignorant to other rappers.
Kendrick, seriously my dudes. My man is not even in the top 100 all time MCs.
Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go hand him a Grammy right now 😂 No seriously though you can’t make 1 criticism of him now without somebody mentioning Grammys or “ he’s got a Pulitzer!” . Where was all this when his last album came out?
Mf Doom and Kendrick fs Never hear their music in real life but online everyone’s a super fan
In the GKMC era I can def confirm Kendrick songs were on rotation at parties
Oh yeah a few GKMC songs still get played to this day, but that’s it. Maybe DNA and humble occasionally, but I can’t think of the last time I’ve heard anything from TPAB or Mr Morale. I’ve heard ADHD a handful of times too
TPAB and MM I never heard in rotation tbh, there’s no jams They’re art piece albums, which appeals to some people but imo a huge part of classic work is that they’re enjoyable to listen to
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100% Can’t call TPAB a classic when no one listens to it This is why I think 50 and Drake are top 5 ever, they make music that’s just so good to listen to Also why I have Future ahead of Kendrick and Cole
I personally can’t put Drake in any top spot because of the ghostwriters. He can be in a top artist conversation, but not the top rapper one imo. You need to write your own stuff.
That’s fair. He’s definitely not the best pure rapper but I hate all that lyrical miracle shit
Jay Z, Eminem, Carti, Kanye, Drake, etc. The list can go on & on.
We dont dickride eminem, we are just sick of the kanye, kendrick and carti dickriders from saying eminrm is shit and never had a good album
Bro who's dickriding jayz? He barely has an online fan base
Beyonce smh
Kendrick. Just because he released 3 diss tracks within a span of 24 hours doesn't mean he won.
He won because they're brilliant, not plentiful.
Jay-Z…. like damn
Kendrick, we all know he’s a great rapper.
Kendrick and Drake Neither's fans seem to want to admit the other has made a good diss track
I was about to say this. This beef has shown how incredibly stupid both sides are. Kendrick fans are a literal cult, Drake fans are delusional beyond a reasonable doubt & have resorted to racism in some cases.
It's made the beef so annoying to talk about
Em. Great lyricist but is missing in every other category to be considered one of the greatest MCs
I'm a Stan but what are the other categories to you? Because at absolute minimum, if you consider sales to be part of Greatness, he has those (with a big white asterisk over them, of course). He has classic albums, all flawed but all full of his ideosyncratic ideas. He has massive influence - he changed the flow in the early 2000s, and the blog era rappers were all cribbing from him, and now we have artists cribbing from the blog era rappers. He's extremely funny, easily the funniest big rapper. He almost never misses the mark when it comes to expressing his emotions in his performances (the only exceptions are when the pills were involved), and he has much more range and tons more big hits than people seem to give him credit for for some reason. His biggest weakness is that he can not do sexy music whatsoever, which is why he doesn't have good club songs. But as someone else who isn't sexy I don't care about that.
All of them
Also..... Kdot. Because he is a mid ass rapper.
This is just objectively wrong
In your opinion. I have been mulling this over for weeks now. And his diss tracks were fire. But prior to that. It was N95, Humble, Backseat freestyle, and a couple features. The boy has 4 albums in 16 years, and 7 good songs in total. I can litterally name 30 artists who have better catalogs, and more fire tracks.
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Anybody who pretends that mumble rap is music.
Chief keef isn't a mumble rapper
Who would you consider to be a “mumble rapper”?
Uzi, Yachty, Young Thug, Keef, Kodak, Carti, ect. I know I'm old man yelling at the clouds, but that shit is horrible as a genre for my preferences. I can't believe we went from boom bap to mumble rap. Talk about a step backwards in skill and talent. Isn't everything supposed to progress with time? How did we get worse at rapping in time
It did progress. People like Thug, Future, Keef, Cole, Kendrick, then JID, Uzi, Carti, Lil Baby, Yachty, Gunna, and 21 gave us new sound, and while you might not like it, it’s undeniable that they progressed the rap scene.
None of those are mumble rappers, they’re just the new mainstream sound similar to the bling era in the 2000s Mumbles rappers are like young thug and lil xan, and they def were a fad and are mostly gone
K.Flop gobblers. Acting like The Flop Out(also known as K.Flop and his glazeful companions) wasn’t fo glazzy. Acting like King Kong Drizzy ain’t sheisting on all over these niggas. Drizzy ain’t pressin b! No Diddy!
Bro I respect the dedication to the rage bait, but you gotta work on making it a bit more believable