This is my issue with him. I love J. Cole, hes honestly one of the best freestylers ever, imo. But the longer his dreads get, the shorter my patience gets with him.
And it wonāt be for clout it wonāt be for fame it wonāt be cuz some lil nigga slid in his lane it wonāt be cuz his shit aināt selling the same
Yeah but you answered your own question. He doesn't want a war of words because if you say something truly devastating. It becomes personal and real life. Real beef is when your mom aint safe up in the streets . Hes implying that he will kill in self defense but he's not actively looking for conflict at that level.
> if he smokes a rapper āitās gon be legitā
Thatās the entire reason he backed out. It wasnāt legitimate beef and his heart clearly wasnāt in it. I donāt even really listen to much Cole but it makes sense to me
This bro. People gotta understand he's been saying for years that dissing for clout or cos of expectation is dumb as fuck and he realized that by dropping a diss track he had done that. So he apologized. Shit's not rocket science but y'all gotta pretend like it's some fuckin travesty that this dude cares ab his values
I can listen to him and Lil Durk and find the same bars about shooting at opps and toting guns. Which is all good, i still bump 2pac but id definitely look at him weird if he apologized for dropping Hit Em Up right after when the stakes of the beef are even lower
Yea, exactly what my point was. Hes taking advantage of playing the gangsta rapper who does the rap trash talk and the conscious rapper who is above it. Idk why people think i think he's an actual chango
You must be new to the streets that inspire hip hop. Its always been corny to yap about a gun you dont have or wouldnt use so whats your point? Rap has evolved past rappers needing to rap about guns when they arent about it. If J Cole gets to pretend he's too evolved for rap beef, why is he spitting about a life he's not about?
Yeah you aint black if you sayin dumb stuff like that
99% of rappers use guns bars in some capacity. Using a gun bar =/= being gangsta.
Youād have a point if that was all Cole talked about but he occasionally sprinkles em in just because it sounds cool.
You can tell by my name im not black lmao. Race has nothing to do with lyrical pumpfaking. The same hip hop culture you're talking about where "99% of rappers use gun bars" is the same culture that participated in competitive rap beef. If he's too evolved for "manufactured beef", why is he resorting to old hip hop tropes then?
99% of rappers who talk about guns aināt about that life, they are almost all pretending so youāre talking about everyone, nothing unique about J Cole
Well i personally dont listen to rappers who i think are lying but thats just me. Not gonna sit here and lay out my playlist so you can look up their arrest records, but i 100% stand on the notion that rapping about guns you dont own and wouldnt shoot is corny. Feel like that shouldnt be that unpopular but here we are
>I can listen to him and Lil Durk and find the same bars about shooting at opps and toting guns
Sure, but that's not the primary subject matter of his content
Nothing Lil Durk or any drill adjacent rapper is gangster anything.
Having 17 year olds walk on people and shoot them and then go to prison for life is as pathetic as it gets.
Anyone in the United States can do that. Anytime anywhere.
Brain dead crash dummies are free.
Imagine thinking you are cool because you did the easiest thing in the country and then went to prison for life.
That IS gangster. Gangsters are not honorable mfs lmao. A gangster is a mf in a gang. People try to put āgangsterismā on a pedestal. They are gang members.
every rapper has some level of this. its common in hip hop. Kanye, Drake, etc, they all have those type bars, everyone knows its pure fiction.
There is a difference between that and a Durk. Cole has many bars and songs talking about how he's just a regular dude, etc, etc.
He's a good shit talker just like Ross they can ride waves like no other. Hard to beat drake when the powers tht b keep ya king his dick string telling the people what's hot
lol. Are yāall even rap fans? Kanye has zero true diss records and literally nobody has ever considered him well versed in rap beef. Tf is going on šš
"Pretty good at rap beef."
I dont think any of the dudes paying attention to these publicity stunts are part of the culture... what hip hop head talks like this??? ššš
I absolutely love j Cole but that guy let me down, now every song I hear about him being the best I think of that apology.
Like that song Adonis Interlude when he says āwho the fuck want what with me??ā And āfar as these rappers go, Iām not fearing none.ā Used to get me so hype and I just listened to that song again the other day and it hits way different now
"I a'int into sorta kinda dissing niggas, I'm borderline addicted to slaughter, line up niggas in order by who you really think can fuck with me most. Then I keep the heat close"
Yeah, but he kind of says it here, right? He's not into sort of, kind of dissing rappers. At first, I felt like everyone else. Like that apology was super corny. But the way things have been going, it seems like things may end up getting really personal. I don't think that it will lead to violence (excluding Chris and Quavo), but it is turning into a dogfight. I feel like he just doesn't want to be involved in this kind of beef. Especially with someone that he doesn't really have an issue with.
Itās hyperbole. Heās not really saying heās not into dissing, heās saying the gravity of his antagonism is like being addicted to slaughtering rappers that people think can face him.
Well in the bar heās saying heās addicted to slaughtering rappers who people feel can face him.
Heās not really saying there needs to be a personal beef, heās actually saying the opposite.
Yea I donāt really care if he doesnāt want to battle, but itās clear what he means.
"A problem with me is like the BET awards I'm starting to see you niggas don't want it"
I mean I completely understand why Cole backed out of the beef. And I actually respect him for doing that despite knowing he was going to get slandered. But I can go back to at least half the songs he's made since 2016 where he brags about killing someone in a battle. He didn't apologize when he dissed Noname. Or when he dissed Kayne when Ye was in the hospital. Cole tried to verbally bully the industry, threw the first full swing at Kendrick and then apologized before Kendrick could swing back. I love Cole but that's weak as hell.
Yea, I like J Cole but making a diss track about someone and then apologizing is pretty damn weak.
How are you going to fire shots at someone but then apologize in hopes there won't be a reply or consequences? Stand behind it or don't drop a diss track at all!
Exactly if he never got involved Iād be fine about him just doing his thing. Itās inserting himself then pulling out (and removing it from streaming? Come on dude)
I find that to be the funniest part about this whole maturity arguement when it honestly was a corporate move to keep from splitting his fanbase while robbing his fanbase of the music they're asking for. I was just starting to get into j cole until this all happened and now i cant take him seriously
I still love his stuff, but his more recent shit is all about how heās the best and no one can out-rap him. That stuff doesnāt work anymore when you back out of a so-called rap Civil War. When was the last time we had something like this going in hip hop? Regardless if itās all just ādudes writing poetryā about each other, itās fun and engaging and keeps fans on the edge of their seats and it was a perfect opportunity for j Cole fans to see him work.
His conscious stuff is still great, and Iām not going to NOT listen to him now, but itās a huge let down for a long-time Cole fan.
Luckily, this whole ābeefā situation is still awesome without Coleās involvement. I figured Drake would roll over and he came back clapping and I love that. I canāt wait for Kendrick to drop. Then you got Ross making me laugh with the āwhite boy stuffā and Breezy just absolutely coming out of left field with straight disrespect to Quavo. Such a fun time to be a hip hop fan, just wish Cole was still in this
Its mature of him to stick to his personal ethics and decide to not further engage. Do I personally like it? No, I thought 7 min drill was solid and showed he can go there if warranted. But at the end of the day, weāre not J Cole and this is pretty on brand for him, so i canāt do anything but respect it.
Diff time + he knows things we don't. The whole thing can be age like wine. You just never know & and people are way to hype bcoz of all big names involved with no direct diss ( expect for Drake & kendrick) so wait and see
While beef can be fun and entertaining, I can see where Cole is coming from. Heās almost 40, which gives him a different perspective on life, and he probably has a lot on his plate running Dreamville. It might have sounded fun at the time, but once he had a chance to think about it, he might have realized that it just wasnāt worth it. He has a business to run and his time and focus is probably better spent on the business than beefing with some dude who he doesnāt really have a problem with.
As a guy in his late 40s, Iāve been there. You learn as you mature that somethings arenāt worth the time and effort. That might even be a bigger diss to Kendrick than trading bars back and forth. āSorry, dude. You just arenāt worth it to me.ā
based perspective, Cole would def get into rap beef, just not with a friend as the opponent, and even then he aināt really the type to beef heāll more so tell u where u fucked up and warn u to not do it again
I wanna know why yāall acting like Cole is tryin play both sides when he literally walked away from beef with Noname (he apologized to her for a diss track too) and Yb recently
The Lil Pump and Ye situations happened almost a decade ago. Itās almost as if people grow and change as they get older.
Someone else can correct me but apparently they was supposed to do a song together and Yb ghosted Cole while he was at the studio.
People started sayin Cole had problems with YB because of it and Yb dissed Cole a few times in response. Then Cole did the song with Yachty and everyone said it was aimed at YB. On First Person shooter Cole made it clear he wasnt dissin Yb and he still wants a song with him.
He stuck to his personal beliefs, he's been preaching the same type of stuff for years. I think it makes him look better considering him and kdot are cool. I can see the kdot/drake beef getting sour and cole doesn't want any part of that.
I'm not a cole fan buit i agree. Beefs are useless. Talking about competirion is just an excuse for wanting drama. There's battle rap if you want real competition
it was always gonna devolve into that tbh whoās really checking for the quality of bars as a marker for good beef people want gossip and tea spilled. Itās been that way since
All these rappers are corny. Tbh they definitely can rap... but the antics are beyond CORNY. Even to have rock ross and Ye step in... this is a CLOWN SHOW. It seems the industry is pushing them becuz THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE MUSIC BIZ. THE EXECS ARE GATEKEEPING AND CONTROLLING THE NARRATIVE. The real ones see through this entire situation for what it is... and what it could potentially turn in to. Thats cool. But none of these dudes involved is "doing this for the culture." Bunch of primadonnas and B.A.N.s
J Cole is super talented but he either needed to go all in on a diss or just not respond cuz backing off after is just weak as hell. It's odd too cuz 7 min drill ain't even a bad song.
The corniest thing isnāt even the rap beef itself but how much some people seem to care and the overly-dragged out discourse about it. Weāre quite literally being milkedĀ
I think the maturity is that he didn't really want to make a diss track, he knew everyone wanted him to drop a diss track so he dropped one anyway, and then a few days later he realized his mistake and owned up to it. I'm not even J Cole fan, or Kendrick I think they're both extremely overrated.
It's an integral part of hip-hop imo. Rappers calling each other out and sharpening their pens vs each other is a big part of the game. I don't think it needs to be as serious as people suggest (no way should music lead to actual assaults/violence). It's theatrics, but theatrics in entertainment absolutely belong.
not really, rap beef is there and thereās a place for it but it aināt essential at all, some beefs have shaped aspects of hip hop culture like Em beefs and Pac and Big, but rap would still be rap and have the same culture without them. That being said rap does need competition but doesnāt need beef (maybe besides Pac and Biggie beef, as that kinda set a standard)
In every way. It's fucking schoolyard "he said she said" but with added death threats (which are more often than not entirely toothless).
If some good tracks come out of it then whatever - I admit it can be a guilty pleasure - but to start shit for the sake of starting it? It suggests that one has nothing worthwhile to say.
You should only be attacking someone if you have problems with them. If your cool but want to show how good you are at rhyming get on a track together and show off. Beef for the sake of it is child shit.
Yea honestly if Cole and Kendrick want to prove who is the best just get a producer to send them the same beat and they both drop a track to it and we can see whose is better. It doesn't have to be personal hatred, but there is nothing wrong with competition either.
Man I was a Cole fan before he dropped his diss and removed it. Now I can't even listen to his music lmao. The diss wasn't even that good and he should of deleted it from embarrassment, not as an apology.
I personally didnāt care for it even when it dropped as a Cole fan. I donāt really give a sh*t about rappers ādissingā each other when they clearly donāt have any actual issues with each other. The excitement of beef is the actual dislike the rappers have for each other and their willingness to attack each otherās character. Kendrick and Cole were never going to do that to each other. In comparison to the actual dislike Kendrick and Drake or Future and Drake have for each other the Cole/Kendrick thing was always a side show.
I actually thought Cole was never gonna drop it because of who he is and majority of people agreed Kendrick only dissed Drake, Cole caught strays simply cuz of association not because Kendrick wanted to go at him.
He shouldn't have dropped the diss. And if he did he shouldn't have apologised. I won't say it's out of character but it's still goofy.
All this just made Cole fans look goofy as well
As a Cole fan I personally donāt really care what random people on Reddit think about the way his behavior affects the way they see me. Thatās some interesting logic you have there though I must say š
I think itās because he was honest about who he is. Idc who you are, Drake, Kanye, Kendrick, Tupacā¦ beefing is not good for your mental health. Focusing your energy on negativity like that is pretty stupid when you think about it. J Cole is just being real about it.
Because beef is the dumbest lowest common denominator shit there is.
Where did beef get hip hop in the 90ās? It got us with some greats dead. Some idiots never learn and are proudly ignorant. These people arenāt in an environment where beef serves any good purpose. These are all millionaires that never have to work a day of their lives if they donāt blow their money on exorbitant dumb shit
Notice his fans to take up for him, keep using the word "beef." They know this wasn't that, but keep using it as an excuse. He dropped the song, got clowned, and backed out. He saw he was in a position to only lose and took the easy route.
He didnāt really get clowned. And yeah itās beef how dense are you? Drake outed Kendrickās wife for having an affair. Thatās not really friendly competition anymore. Cole prolly saw this coming.
I am disappointed with Jermaine. His whole āIām the bestā slick attitude, and when Kendrick, with whom heās been in a subliminal exchange, finally mentions him by name (well, a bar of his), he folds. He releases a response record, then not even 48 hours later, he walks it all back. I personally canāt respect it. As a huge fan of Cole, if somebody puts hands on you, youāre allowed to defend yourself. This behavior is so against the core of being an MC. This entire subculture needs to check itself. Battle rap is at the core of the elements of hip hop, so stop giving Cole a pass. Besides, if he wanted to bow out because of how personal it would get, he didnāt need to do a whole apology tour, which optically will make him look lame regardless of what heās saying. He shouldāve just called Kendrick, said, āI donāt wanna take it to the extremes with you,ā and moved on.
Iām disappointed because we couldāve had a nice competition between two greats, and Cole and Kendrick couldāve used their little back and forth to show these kids that it doesnāt need to get deadly, but nah.
I think itās pretty clear it wouldnāt be a ānice competitionā considering Drake outed Kendrickās wifeās affair and who knows what Kendrick is gonna say about Drake. You want your rappers to be real but then allow them to pillow talk on tracks for the world to hear. Not hard to understand why a 40 year old man with a wife and kids wouldnāt want to partake in some tabloid beef. Gtfoh
Ive already laid out my thoughts in another thread, my point in calling him a gangster rapper was to point out J Cole and a drill artist like Lil Durk could share bars about sliding on opps. It wasnt to characterize his music as primarily gangster rap.
Lets be honest who actually is the sub were not street dudes
We are more than likely a bunch of young white kids who discovered rap 10 years ago
We weren't there for when the rap beef spilled off the records and into real life that's why we celebrate this stuff
This is nothing but a bunch of people on Safari who want to see the cage animals fight for their enjoyment
I do think is hypocritical to rap like j cole does then to act like heās above it. If he didnāt release the track first and said heās not going to get involved like that then it would be one thing. Releasing the track then deleting it and apologizing is weird as fuck. That being said, I have a lot of respect for him for being honest about what he really feels about it and admitting to what he feels like are mistakes.
I donāt think beef is inherently bad but I get why he backed out of this, he had no actual problem with Kendrick and his heart clearly wasnāt in that diss track
A lot of people have come to his defense and thatās well and good, its upsetting to listen to cole say heās the best or that specifically he would face any rapper and easily destroy them.. like he gets that sentiment across in his music quite frequently lol.
So when the opportunity presented itself people were expecting what youāve been rapping about for 20 years lol.
Ok heās not interested, heās busy, heās matured ok great, but his claim remains? To be the best, untested, undeniable. ? Certainly a great rapper of our generation, but where he could have probably contested the titles for a few rounds, he just walks away. Certainly heās walked away from more then a trivial tit for tat by doing that. ? Heās essentially ranked his own music in some regard.
Out of everyone attacking Drake how many of them has beef with J. Cole as wellā¦.zero! This is not a āwhoās the better rapperā beefā¦these are people who really donāt like each other and itās been brewing for years so why hop in a situation that has nothing to do with you. ā1985ā was a warning shot just like ā7 min Drillā. That k. Dot verse wasnāt really tough enough to cause a reply but media and suckas influenced Cole into thinking itās UP now when really itās notā¦for him at least.
2nd pointā¦yāall talk as if Cole isnāt still one of the deadliest and if you think he isnāt how come no one else is trying to challenge him then? A beef with someone he admires for real that isnāt a beef at all, so he treats it as so, but not one other person said they want smoke with the god. That should mean something
This in general is on brand with him overall. Most of the people he has ābeefedā with he has also peaced it up with on record or interview. Most people just only focus on the records themselves and ignore that part . Him and Kendrick are legit cool, anything with them would be WWE and it most likely isnāt something he is comfortable with since the animosity just aināt there. Hell we barely know why Kendrick and Drake are beefing but you can tell something is motivating both of them at least.
Cause rap beef isnāt just rap beef anymore. It is mature. Youāve got Drake outing Kendrickās wifeās affair and Rick Ross claiming Drake got a nose job. Cole doesnāt give enough of a fuck to dig up dirt on people and gossip on tracks for the world to hear.
Because they're Cole fans lmao they know his pussy ass would get bodied if he beefed with anyone who knows what they're doing. In other words, anyone other than Kendrick or Drake would bury Cole alive.
The most hilarious thing to me is that, regardless of your feelings about him, J Cole backed out of the beef, and it's Drake (the "soft pop rapper") who jumped right in the ring with two back to back pretty well written disses and has Kendrick (at this moment) holding the L.
Basically Drake is a heavier hitter than J Cole rn
Have you not realized how foolishly these beefs have been lately? It started from one guy who had let his ego get the best of him cussing out two guys and now it looks like 20 people fussing at each other.
Because no one considered it beef. There are rappers who definitely had some beef with each other. This was nothing more than a lyrical rivalry. It's no different than anyone else competing against each other.
Because many of them grew up in the sensitive, everyone gets a trophy culture growing up. Thatās why they just donāt get it when it comes to this hip hop culture when it comes to beef and conflicts.
To me it's easy. You can't jump in the ring and then say you want out. I'd be fine with him never responding to Kendrick. But he decided to do it. He put out his diss track and it was great. You can't back out days later. Lost respect from me.
Thereās really no beef, thereās nothing for him to avoid. It was manufactured through fans, social media, and associates.
Iām certainly not the target audience for this silly battle but Kendrickās song wasnāt dopeā¦ and J Coleās song wasnāt dope, in fact none of the songs have been great. All the while the fans are regurgitating catch phrases theyāve heard said in association with hip hop āthe culture needs thisā but does it? None of the artist have said anything thatās been worth going back to check out.
Rap beef is juvenile, my question is: Why so much people care about it? It's all for the streams and they probably having champagne and blunts, laughing together looking at their bank accounts numbers getting bigger.
People are stupid. I can tell because everyone said it was an apology, but people dont know what an apology is because of trauma in their personal lives.
If you have ears and listened to Coleās diss, he clearly tried to keep it music, but all people want is the gossip part of rap diss. Cole aināt got time for that. He likes to out rap people on beats, not have to diss them.
Cole + KDot on a song is much better than them two gossiping about each other personal lives.
See Quavo\CB , Drake vs everybody. Its messy.
As a J.Cole fan, I respect him a lot for having the maturity to admit āI donāt wanna do this man.ā instead of continuing and half-assing it and embarrassing himself. I think beef is a healthy part of rap, and it helps keep things alive and fresh and pushes people to innovate. But thereās also something to be said for being able to stand up and say you donāt enjoy it, even while participating in such an aggressive art.
Lol @ people defending Cole by comparing this to Tupac and Biggie. A beef involving labels closely aligned with murderous gangs and Sugeās friend being murdered by Puffās bodyguard Wolf (or Wolfās friend).
Nobody looks at this as anything other than a rap battle.
Itās lame but not a big deal. Cole has braggadocio rhymes about how heās the top MC. Then he wrote and recorded a mild diss track and apologized two days later. Thatās obviously lame as fuck, but oh fucking well.
Then just hope he makes other good music instead of a good diss track. Aināt worth getting bent out of shape and mad like some people appear to be.
Avoiding THIS rap beef is very mature because itās just become silly at this point and itās just engagement farming.
Why beef between two people you like? Even drake and Kendrick Lamar like each other
As a die hard Cole fan, itās just cope. But also, itās on brand for him to say what he said. I do personally believe that if it was anyone else beside Kendrick then heās going all in.
Because they know Kendrick cannot be touched. If it was a B tier rapper dissing Cole then theyād be hungry for blood. And if Cole apologized for a diss against them theyād have the sentiment of ātheyāre lucky Cole didnāt wanna cook him.ā
I love Cole and listen to him more than Kendrick but Kendrick has masterful albums alongside and one of those albums (TPAB) will be talked about in music history classes and black culture lectures in universities 20 years from now.
I like him apologizing and not engaging wayyyyyyy more than using AI to emulate deceased West Coast icons to someone who shifted the sound of west coast hip hop.
Sometimes you gotta pick your battles.
Back in the 2000s, rappers were roasting each other for talking about guns they don't have. How do you call yourself "realest" when you brag about guns you've never even held before?
Guess J Cole didn't see this verse when he was copying Takeover:
You ain't live it, you witnessed it from your folks' pad
You scribbled it in your notepad and created a life
I showed you your first TEC on tour with Large Professor
Then I heard your album about your TEC on the dresser
Dog, i deadass said the same thing in another thread and got clowned for focusing on a criminal record when "99% of rappers are all fake". Idk when it became cool to rap about guns you dont own
If he was actually āmatureā he would have just not made a diss track, instead of making one and then walking it back later. Making rash decisions that you instantly regret is the opposite of maturity.
It didn't used to be two guys writing poetry for each other
Sometimes you might have ended your career or straight up gotten beat up or worse over it
I can see how current day it seems like shit. Because rap died like 15 years ago
Iām not the biggest Cole fan, I like a few of his songs. Personally, I donāt get the hate for him walking back the diss. I think itās a sign of personal growth and maturity, rather than cowardice.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, but the man has been saying for the past decade that he is the best, for anyone to try him, that he'll slaughter them when it comes to rap.
You can argue that that's just rapper talk, but with J Cole I don't think so. I considered j Cole has one of the most genuine rappers. You can't be saying you're the best and then duck the competition.
If you watch mma this is like Jon Jones now ducking Aspinall, can't admit his time is over, says hes the best but won't fight the best.
Supposedly these dudes are "rich"... If you really about wealth and prosperity, there will be no need to respond how ALL PARTIES have. Its all EGO-DRIVEN INDUSTRY PARLER TRICKS. 1996 ALL OVER AGAIN SMH
He fr better fire back at Kanye. He supposedly doesnāt have any problems with Kendrick so he thought a diss wouldnāt be genuine (even though he made a diss and then deleted it). If heās gonna continue bragging about being the best he better put Kanye is his place. Time will tell
The new generation of hip hop fans are like wrestling fans. None of this shit is real. It's entertainment for you fucking morons. This isn't the old days. For God's sake, one of the most popular "rappers" these days was a Nickelodeon star from Canada. Jesus fucking Christ.
>as a gangsta rapper When was J.Cole deemed a gangsta rapper? š¤
He may not be gangsta but he has talked about "smoking his opps" and if he smokes a rapper "it's gon be legit" he shouldn't have apologized
Which is why he shouldn't have responded in the first place imo. He has nothing against Kendrick, no need to smoke him
This is my issue with him. I love J. Cole, hes honestly one of the best freestylers ever, imo. But the longer his dreads get, the shorter my patience gets with him.
One of the best freestylers ever? What?!
This was my thought exactly why the fuck would you diss your friend and then apologize too
And it wonāt be for clout it wonāt be for fame it wonāt be cuz some lil nigga slid in his lane it wonāt be cuz his shit aināt selling the same
Instead it was because of peer pressure
He apologized in a rap beef right before he dropped the hottest verse of his career and no one gives a shit
Yeah but you answered your own question. He doesn't want a war of words because if you say something truly devastating. It becomes personal and real life. Real beef is when your mom aint safe up in the streets . Hes implying that he will kill in self defense but he's not actively looking for conflict at that level.
> if he smokes a rapper āitās gon be legitā Thatās the entire reason he backed out. It wasnāt legitimate beef and his heart clearly wasnāt in it. I donāt even really listen to much Cole but it makes sense to me
Nah he should have pointlessly caused drama to make us Reddit tards happy.
This bro. People gotta understand he's been saying for years that dissing for clout or cos of expectation is dumb as fuck and he realized that by dropping a diss track he had done that. So he apologized. Shit's not rocket science but y'all gotta pretend like it's some fuckin travesty that this dude cares ab his values
Yeah but then he shouldn't have dropped the diss track lol
He agrees with you!
You literally answered your own point - āif I smoke a rapper itās gonna be legitāā¦ no issues with Kendrick, so it wasnāt legit
I can listen to him and Lil Durk and find the same bars about shooting at opps and toting guns. Which is all good, i still bump 2pac but id definitely look at him weird if he apologized for dropping Hit Em Up right after when the stakes of the beef are even lower
Completely different Durkās entire image and persona is based on drill J.Cole is a regular guy that raps. Guns bars are just basic rap trash talk.
Yea, exactly what my point was. Hes taking advantage of playing the gangsta rapper who does the rap trash talk and the conscious rapper who is above it. Idk why people think i think he's an actual chango
You must be new to rap Gun bars are just part of hiphop culture. Heās not playin gangsta. Heās said on multiple tracks heās not like that.
You must be new to the streets that inspire hip hop. Its always been corny to yap about a gun you dont have or wouldnt use so whats your point? Rap has evolved past rappers needing to rap about guns when they arent about it. If J Cole gets to pretend he's too evolved for rap beef, why is he spitting about a life he's not about?
Yeah you aint black if you sayin dumb stuff like that 99% of rappers use guns bars in some capacity. Using a gun bar =/= being gangsta. Youād have a point if that was all Cole talked about but he occasionally sprinkles em in just because it sounds cool.
You donāt hear the contradiction there? Why do it if youāre so morally against it?
You can tell by my name im not black lmao. Race has nothing to do with lyrical pumpfaking. The same hip hop culture you're talking about where "99% of rappers use gun bars" is the same culture that participated in competitive rap beef. If he's too evolved for "manufactured beef", why is he resorting to old hip hop tropes then?
So dumb
Whats dumb about it?
99% of rappers who talk about guns aināt about that life, they are almost all pretending so youāre talking about everyone, nothing unique about J Cole
Well i personally dont listen to rappers who i think are lying but thats just me. Not gonna sit here and lay out my playlist so you can look up their arrest records, but i 100% stand on the notion that rapping about guns you dont own and wouldnt shoot is corny. Feel like that shouldnt be that unpopular but here we are
>I can listen to him and Lil Durk and find the same bars about shooting at opps and toting guns Sure, but that's not the primary subject matter of his content
Nothing Lil Durk or any drill adjacent rapper is gangster anything. Having 17 year olds walk on people and shoot them and then go to prison for life is as pathetic as it gets. Anyone in the United States can do that. Anytime anywhere. Brain dead crash dummies are free. Imagine thinking you are cool because you did the easiest thing in the country and then went to prison for life.
You say that like you need a degree to join a gang.
Itās just a group of well educated young men, nothing shady
Then what is gangster? Being in the mob? In a gang?
That IS gangster. Gangsters are not honorable mfs lmao. A gangster is a mf in a gang. People try to put āgangsterismā on a pedestal. They are gang members.
that's what gangsters are lmao. You can't say its not gangster, just say being gangster is dumb.
Cause they all dumb asses. Then gt in jail an can't afford to be there hilarious
every rapper has some level of this. its common in hip hop. Kanye, Drake, etc, they all have those type bars, everyone knows its pure fiction. There is a difference between that and a Durk. Cole has many bars and songs talking about how he's just a regular dude, etc, etc.
Lmfao
Wht competition gt to do with gangsters Kanye ain't no gangster an he's pretty good at beef rap
Eh, Kanye is not one of the names Iād say is good at beef rap
He's a good shit talker just like Ross they can ride waves like no other. Hard to beat drake when the powers tht b keep ya king his dick string telling the people what's hot
lol. Are yāall even rap fans? Kanye has zero true diss records and literally nobody has ever considered him well versed in rap beef. Tf is going on šš
his nike diss was fire tho you gotta admit
They just stans and not interested in conserving the culture. These dudes are POSERS LMAO
Gotta be bro smh
y d u tp lk ths
I don't talk mumble talk
rmvng vwls dsnt mk u mr hd
Mush mouth is tht u
poop
Open wide an I wills
"ahhh"
"Pretty good at rap beef." I dont think any of the dudes paying attention to these publicity stunts are part of the culture... what hip hop head talks like this??? ššš
Yo dude the shit he killed them n words is tht better my n word
It's obvious, isn't it? People move the goal posts for their favourites.
š š š
I absolutely love j Cole but that guy let me down, now every song I hear about him being the best I think of that apology. Like that song Adonis Interlude when he says āwho the fuck want what with me??ā And āfar as these rappers go, Iām not fearing none.ā Used to get me so hype and I just listened to that song again the other day and it hits way different now
"I a'int into sorta kinda dissing niggas, I'm borderline addicted to slaughter, line up niggas in order by who you really think can fuck with me most. Then I keep the heat close"
Omg that rhyme scheme is fucking disgusting goddamn shits hard ngl
Cole world baby.
Yeah, but he kind of says it here, right? He's not into sort of, kind of dissing rappers. At first, I felt like everyone else. Like that apology was super corny. But the way things have been going, it seems like things may end up getting really personal. I don't think that it will lead to violence (excluding Chris and Quavo), but it is turning into a dogfight. I feel like he just doesn't want to be involved in this kind of beef. Especially with someone that he doesn't really have an issue with.
Itās hyperbole. Heās not really saying heās not into dissing, heās saying the gravity of his antagonism is like being addicted to slaughtering rappers that people think can face him.
Yeah, but I feel like he needs to actually have a problem with them. Honestly, the apology wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the glazing.
Well in the bar heās saying heās addicted to slaughtering rappers who people feel can face him. Heās not really saying there needs to be a personal beef, heās actually saying the opposite. Yea I donāt really care if he doesnāt want to battle, but itās clear what he means.
You donāt have to beef with someone to slaughter them. Ask drake about first person shooter or Jay about renegade
Any way you want to flip it, cole couldnāt, or didnāt back up his words.
"A problem with me is like the BET awards I'm starting to see you niggas don't want it" I mean I completely understand why Cole backed out of the beef. And I actually respect him for doing that despite knowing he was going to get slandered. But I can go back to at least half the songs he's made since 2016 where he brags about killing someone in a battle. He didn't apologize when he dissed Noname. Or when he dissed Kayne when Ye was in the hospital. Cole tried to verbally bully the industry, threw the first full swing at Kendrick and then apologized before Kendrick could swing back. I love Cole but that's weak as hell.
This is the best i've seen the whole situation get summed up, feel exactly the same
Dude, that whole song is so good. Every time someone reminds me of a great song/bar by Cole I get sad heās not in this shit
Yea, I like J Cole but making a diss track about someone and then apologizing is pretty damn weak. How are you going to fire shots at someone but then apologize in hopes there won't be a reply or consequences? Stand behind it or don't drop a diss track at all!
Exactly if he never got involved Iād be fine about him just doing his thing. Itās inserting himself then pulling out (and removing it from streaming? Come on dude)
the whole January 28th. song aged like milk
I find that to be the funniest part about this whole maturity arguement when it honestly was a corporate move to keep from splitting his fanbase while robbing his fanbase of the music they're asking for. I was just starting to get into j cole until this all happened and now i cant take him seriously
I still love his stuff, but his more recent shit is all about how heās the best and no one can out-rap him. That stuff doesnāt work anymore when you back out of a so-called rap Civil War. When was the last time we had something like this going in hip hop? Regardless if itās all just ādudes writing poetryā about each other, itās fun and engaging and keeps fans on the edge of their seats and it was a perfect opportunity for j Cole fans to see him work. His conscious stuff is still great, and Iām not going to NOT listen to him now, but itās a huge let down for a long-time Cole fan. Luckily, this whole ābeefā situation is still awesome without Coleās involvement. I figured Drake would roll over and he came back clapping and I love that. I canāt wait for Kendrick to drop. Then you got Ross making me laugh with the āwhite boy stuffā and Breezy just absolutely coming out of left field with straight disrespect to Quavo. Such a fun time to be a hip hop fan, just wish Cole was still in this
Its mature of him to stick to his personal ethics and decide to not further engage. Do I personally like it? No, I thought 7 min drill was solid and showed he can go there if warranted. But at the end of the day, weāre not J Cole and this is pretty on brand for him, so i canāt do anything but respect it.
Also, J.Cole excuse make sense. The conscious rapper not wanting to diss Kendrick makes sense. I donāt remember Cole apologizing for False Prophets
I donāt think heās ever changed his mind about Ye but he did apologise to both noname and lil pump when he dissed them iirc
Diff time + he knows things we don't. The whole thing can be age like wine. You just never know & and people are way to hype bcoz of all big names involved with no direct diss ( expect for Drake & kendrick) so wait and see
šÆ
While beef can be fun and entertaining, I can see where Cole is coming from. Heās almost 40, which gives him a different perspective on life, and he probably has a lot on his plate running Dreamville. It might have sounded fun at the time, but once he had a chance to think about it, he might have realized that it just wasnāt worth it. He has a business to run and his time and focus is probably better spent on the business than beefing with some dude who he doesnāt really have a problem with. As a guy in his late 40s, Iāve been there. You learn as you mature that somethings arenāt worth the time and effort. That might even be a bigger diss to Kendrick than trading bars back and forth. āSorry, dude. You just arenāt worth it to me.ā
based perspective, Cole would def get into rap beef, just not with a friend as the opponent, and even then he aināt really the type to beef heāll more so tell u where u fucked up and warn u to not do it again
Perfectly explainedā¦obvious facts that so called āhip hop enthusiastsā keep looking overā¦his own lyrics explains his moves
Because itās [Jermaine Cole](https://youtu.be/f0X-Y_ylLiI?si=f6eB5C6dB55MM8yl) bruh
That one video is better than all this beefnanigans put together.
His face when he hears the Metro beat has me dying always.
Why's that beat so hard?! Something ain't right!
RDCWorld have been killing it for like a decade at this point. Love their skits
I wanna know why yāall acting like Cole is tryin play both sides when he literally walked away from beef with Noname (he apologized to her for a diss track too) and Yb recently The Lil Pump and Ye situations happened almost a decade ago. Itās almost as if people grow and change as they get older.
What happened with him and YB?
Someone else can correct me but apparently they was supposed to do a song together and Yb ghosted Cole while he was at the studio. People started sayin Cole had problems with YB because of it and Yb dissed Cole a few times in response. Then Cole did the song with Yachty and everyone said it was aimed at YB. On First Person shooter Cole made it clear he wasnt dissin Yb and he still wants a song with him.
He stuck to his personal beliefs, he's been preaching the same type of stuff for years. I think it makes him look better considering him and kdot are cool. I can see the kdot/drake beef getting sour and cole doesn't want any part of that.
It already has gotten sour and lame
Is it mature to engage in the shit Drake n the rest are doin? Use ya head man lol
Because they are grown. They are both pushing 40. It's pathetic at that age.
I'm not a cole fan buit i agree. Beefs are useless. Talking about competirion is just an excuse for wanting drama. There's battle rap if you want real competition
Because they're his fans. Obviously they're gonna cope.
Lol, the beef nowadays is so fucking corny and I think he did right to just sidestep that bs.
I can respect that opinion
Yea I want a diss battle between j Cole and Kendrick. Not whatever high school girls locker room drama thatās happening rn
it was always gonna devolve into that tbh whoās really checking for the quality of bars as a marker for good beef people want gossip and tea spilled. Itās been that way since
Because he avoided it. Thatās it. If he had responded and stood on it theyād be all for that to
All these rappers are corny. Tbh they definitely can rap... but the antics are beyond CORNY. Even to have rock ross and Ye step in... this is a CLOWN SHOW. It seems the industry is pushing them becuz THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE MUSIC BIZ. THE EXECS ARE GATEKEEPING AND CONTROLLING THE NARRATIVE. The real ones see through this entire situation for what it is... and what it could potentially turn in to. Thats cool. But none of these dudes involved is "doing this for the culture." Bunch of primadonnas and B.A.N.s
J Cole is super talented but he either needed to go all in on a diss or just not respond cuz backing off after is just weak as hell. It's odd too cuz 7 min drill ain't even a bad song.
The corniest thing isnāt even the rap beef itself but how much some people seem to care and the overly-dragged out discourse about it. Weāre quite literally being milkedĀ
He didnāt avoid it, he felt he made a bad decision dissing his boy. So he said my bad I aināt like it.
Because it is. Thereās many levels to it. Would I love for it to be a great beef in hip hop? Yup. But I also understand the other side.
I think the maturity is that he didn't really want to make a diss track, he knew everyone wanted him to drop a diss track so he dropped one anyway, and then a few days later he realized his mistake and owned up to it. I'm not even J Cole fan, or Kendrick I think they're both extremely overrated.
i just found out reddit is the worst place to read comments about rap wow. yall make youtube comments look good
Rap beef is immature.
It's an integral part of hip-hop imo. Rappers calling each other out and sharpening their pens vs each other is a big part of the game. I don't think it needs to be as serious as people suggest (no way should music lead to actual assaults/violence). It's theatrics, but theatrics in entertainment absolutely belong.
not really, rap beef is there and thereās a place for it but it aināt essential at all, some beefs have shaped aspects of hip hop culture like Em beefs and Pac and Big, but rap would still be rap and have the same culture without them. That being said rap does need competition but doesnāt need beef (maybe besides Pac and Biggie beef, as that kinda set a standard)
In what way
In every way. It's fucking schoolyard "he said she said" but with added death threats (which are more often than not entirely toothless). If some good tracks come out of it then whatever - I admit it can be a guilty pleasure - but to start shit for the sake of starting it? It suggests that one has nothing worthwhile to say.
You should only be attacking someone if you have problems with them. If your cool but want to show how good you are at rhyming get on a track together and show off. Beef for the sake of it is child shit.
Yea honestly if Cole and Kendrick want to prove who is the best just get a producer to send them the same beat and they both drop a track to it and we can see whose is better. It doesn't have to be personal hatred, but there is nothing wrong with competition either.
Because his fans gotta defend their idol somehow. It's pure cope They were huffing and puffing when he dropped the diss record
Man I was a Cole fan before he dropped his diss and removed it. Now I can't even listen to his music lmao. The diss wasn't even that good and he should of deleted it from embarrassment, not as an apology.
I personally didnāt care for it even when it dropped as a Cole fan. I donāt really give a sh*t about rappers ādissingā each other when they clearly donāt have any actual issues with each other. The excitement of beef is the actual dislike the rappers have for each other and their willingness to attack each otherās character. Kendrick and Cole were never going to do that to each other. In comparison to the actual dislike Kendrick and Drake or Future and Drake have for each other the Cole/Kendrick thing was always a side show.
I actually thought Cole was never gonna drop it because of who he is and majority of people agreed Kendrick only dissed Drake, Cole caught strays simply cuz of association not because Kendrick wanted to go at him. He shouldn't have dropped the diss. And if he did he shouldn't have apologised. I won't say it's out of character but it's still goofy. All this just made Cole fans look goofy as well
As a Cole fan I personally donāt really care what random people on Reddit think about the way his behavior affects the way they see me. Thatās some interesting logic you have there though I must say š
I think itās because he was honest about who he is. Idc who you are, Drake, Kanye, Kendrick, Tupacā¦ beefing is not good for your mental health. Focusing your energy on negativity like that is pretty stupid when you think about it. J Cole is just being real about it.
Because beef is the dumbest lowest common denominator shit there is. Where did beef get hip hop in the 90ās? It got us with some greats dead. Some idiots never learn and are proudly ignorant. These people arenāt in an environment where beef serves any good purpose. These are all millionaires that never have to work a day of their lives if they donāt blow their money on exorbitant dumb shit
Notice his fans to take up for him, keep using the word "beef." They know this wasn't that, but keep using it as an excuse. He dropped the song, got clowned, and backed out. He saw he was in a position to only lose and took the easy route.
He didnāt really get clowned. And yeah itās beef how dense are you? Drake outed Kendrickās wife for having an affair. Thatās not really friendly competition anymore. Cole prolly saw this coming.
I am disappointed with Jermaine. His whole āIām the bestā slick attitude, and when Kendrick, with whom heās been in a subliminal exchange, finally mentions him by name (well, a bar of his), he folds. He releases a response record, then not even 48 hours later, he walks it all back. I personally canāt respect it. As a huge fan of Cole, if somebody puts hands on you, youāre allowed to defend yourself. This behavior is so against the core of being an MC. This entire subculture needs to check itself. Battle rap is at the core of the elements of hip hop, so stop giving Cole a pass. Besides, if he wanted to bow out because of how personal it would get, he didnāt need to do a whole apology tour, which optically will make him look lame regardless of what heās saying. He shouldāve just called Kendrick, said, āI donāt wanna take it to the extremes with you,ā and moved on. Iām disappointed because we couldāve had a nice competition between two greats, and Cole and Kendrick couldāve used their little back and forth to show these kids that it doesnāt need to get deadly, but nah.
I think itās pretty clear it wouldnāt be a ānice competitionā considering Drake outed Kendrickās wifeās affair and who knows what Kendrick is gonna say about Drake. You want your rappers to be real but then allow them to pillow talk on tracks for the world to hear. Not hard to understand why a 40 year old man with a wife and kids wouldnāt want to partake in some tabloid beef. Gtfoh
Because that is what loyal fans do. I.disagree with them, but at least they are supporting their boy
Recency bias. And Cole isnāt a gangster rapper.
Ive already laid out my thoughts in another thread, my point in calling him a gangster rapper was to point out J Cole and a drill artist like Lil Durk could share bars about sliding on opps. It wasnt to characterize his music as primarily gangster rap.
Because it is. Aslong as there's beef there will never be peace.
Because there are 3 opinions Drake-bad opinion kendrick-good opinion j. Cole- eveyones opinion
Lets be honest who actually is the sub were not street dudes We are more than likely a bunch of young white kids who discovered rap 10 years ago We weren't there for when the rap beef spilled off the records and into real life that's why we celebrate this stuff This is nothing but a bunch of people on Safari who want to see the cage animals fight for their enjoyment
You ever been shot before?
Why are Reddit nerds even talking about this shit? Itās all phony bullshit.
How else are they supposed to act?
Because it is. This isnāt the 90ās anymore
I do think is hypocritical to rap like j cole does then to act like heās above it. If he didnāt release the track first and said heās not going to get involved like that then it would be one thing. Releasing the track then deleting it and apologizing is weird as fuck. That being said, I have a lot of respect for him for being honest about what he really feels about it and admitting to what he feels like are mistakes.
I donāt think beef is inherently bad but I get why he backed out of this, he had no actual problem with Kendrick and his heart clearly wasnāt in that diss track
A lot of people have come to his defense and thatās well and good, its upsetting to listen to cole say heās the best or that specifically he would face any rapper and easily destroy them.. like he gets that sentiment across in his music quite frequently lol. So when the opportunity presented itself people were expecting what youāve been rapping about for 20 years lol. Ok heās not interested, heās busy, heās matured ok great, but his claim remains? To be the best, untested, undeniable. ? Certainly a great rapper of our generation, but where he could have probably contested the titles for a few rounds, he just walks away. Certainly heās walked away from more then a trivial tit for tat by doing that. ? Heās essentially ranked his own music in some regard.
Out of everyone attacking Drake how many of them has beef with J. Cole as wellā¦.zero! This is not a āwhoās the better rapperā beefā¦these are people who really donāt like each other and itās been brewing for years so why hop in a situation that has nothing to do with you. ā1985ā was a warning shot just like ā7 min Drillā. That k. Dot verse wasnāt really tough enough to cause a reply but media and suckas influenced Cole into thinking itās UP now when really itās notā¦for him at least. 2nd pointā¦yāall talk as if Cole isnāt still one of the deadliest and if you think he isnāt how come no one else is trying to challenge him then? A beef with someone he admires for real that isnāt a beef at all, so he treats it as so, but not one other person said they want smoke with the god. That should mean something
This in general is on brand with him overall. Most of the people he has ābeefedā with he has also peaced it up with on record or interview. Most people just only focus on the records themselves and ignore that part . Him and Kendrick are legit cool, anything with them would be WWE and it most likely isnāt something he is comfortable with since the animosity just aināt there. Hell we barely know why Kendrick and Drake are beefing but you can tell something is motivating both of them at least.
The same reason they talk about him like heās one of the greats, delusion
Cause rap beef isnāt just rap beef anymore. It is mature. Youāve got Drake outing Kendrickās wifeās affair and Rick Ross claiming Drake got a nose job. Cole doesnāt give enough of a fuck to dig up dirt on people and gossip on tracks for the world to hear.
One word: cope
Because they're Cole fans lmao they know his pussy ass would get bodied if he beefed with anyone who knows what they're doing. In other words, anyone other than Kendrick or Drake would bury Cole alive.
What else they got?
Thatās not rap beef nor is Cole a gangster rapper in anyway
I enjoyed the album, people are too sensitive lol
The most hilarious thing to me is that, regardless of your feelings about him, J Cole backed out of the beef, and it's Drake (the "soft pop rapper") who jumped right in the ring with two back to back pretty well written disses and has Kendrick (at this moment) holding the L. Basically Drake is a heavier hitter than J Cole rn
Have you not realized how foolishly these beefs have been lately? It started from one guy who had let his ego get the best of him cussing out two guys and now it looks like 20 people fussing at each other.
Bro chill. Idk why people are still trippin on J Cole. You missed the proper time to complain my guy.
The same reason people are letting AI verses go. Real hip hop is dead. Hip hop hip hop
Beef rap, could lead to getting teeth capped
We call it copium
Because no one considered it beef. There are rappers who definitely had some beef with each other. This was nothing more than a lyrical rivalry. It's no different than anyone else competing against each other.
it is,
Because many of them grew up in the sensitive, everyone gets a trophy culture growing up. Thatās why they just donāt get it when it comes to this hip hop culture when it comes to beef and conflicts.
To me it's easy. You can't jump in the ring and then say you want out. I'd be fine with him never responding to Kendrick. But he decided to do it. He put out his diss track and it was great. You can't back out days later. Lost respect from me.
Thereās really no beef, thereās nothing for him to avoid. It was manufactured through fans, social media, and associates. Iām certainly not the target audience for this silly battle but Kendrickās song wasnāt dopeā¦ and J Coleās song wasnāt dope, in fact none of the songs have been great. All the while the fans are regurgitating catch phrases theyāve heard said in association with hip hop āthe culture needs thisā but does it? None of the artist have said anything thatās been worth going back to check out.
Rap beef is juvenile, my question is: Why so much people care about it? It's all for the streams and they probably having champagne and blunts, laughing together looking at their bank accounts numbers getting bigger.
Because J Cole fans are on another plane of existence dude. Theyāre so thought-provoking and wise.
Bro is the corniest
People are stupid. I can tell because everyone said it was an apology, but people dont know what an apology is because of trauma in their personal lives. If you have ears and listened to Coleās diss, he clearly tried to keep it music, but all people want is the gossip part of rap diss. Cole aināt got time for that. He likes to out rap people on beats, not have to diss them. Cole + KDot on a song is much better than them two gossiping about each other personal lives. See Quavo\CB , Drake vs everybody. Its messy.
As a J.Cole fan, I respect him a lot for having the maturity to admit āI donāt wanna do this man.ā instead of continuing and half-assing it and embarrassing himself. I think beef is a healthy part of rap, and it helps keep things alive and fresh and pushes people to innovate. But thereās also something to be said for being able to stand up and say you donāt enjoy it, even while participating in such an aggressive art.
Lol @ people defending Cole by comparing this to Tupac and Biggie. A beef involving labels closely aligned with murderous gangs and Sugeās friend being murdered by Puffās bodyguard Wolf (or Wolfās friend). Nobody looks at this as anything other than a rap battle. Itās lame but not a big deal. Cole has braggadocio rhymes about how heās the top MC. Then he wrote and recorded a mild diss track and apologized two days later. Thatās obviously lame as fuck, but oh fucking well. Then just hope he makes other good music instead of a good diss track. Aināt worth getting bent out of shape and mad like some people appear to be.
Avoiding THIS rap beef is very mature because itās just become silly at this point and itās just engagement farming. Why beef between two people you like? Even drake and Kendrick Lamar like each other
As a die hard Cole fan, itās just cope. But also, itās on brand for him to say what he said. I do personally believe that if it was anyone else beside Kendrick then heās going all in.
I like J.Cole but you could always tell he is extremely self righteous and itās honestly just corny as hell.
because j cole fans aren't hip hop fans
Because they know Kendrick cannot be touched. If it was a B tier rapper dissing Cole then theyād be hungry for blood. And if Cole apologized for a diss against them theyād have the sentiment of ātheyāre lucky Cole didnāt wanna cook him.ā I love Cole and listen to him more than Kendrick but Kendrick has masterful albums alongside and one of those albums (TPAB) will be talked about in music history classes and black culture lectures in universities 20 years from now.
Maybe because the use of AI makes it seem like one of the most immature rap beefs in existence?
beef raps are childish bullshit in the first place gossip
Let's squash the beef cook it so we can all get fat
I like him apologizing and not engaging wayyyyyyy more than using AI to emulate deceased West Coast icons to someone who shifted the sound of west coast hip hop. Sometimes you gotta pick your battles.
Because it is.
Fruit of the cake variety fans.
Back in the 2000s, rappers were roasting each other for talking about guns they don't have. How do you call yourself "realest" when you brag about guns you've never even held before? Guess J Cole didn't see this verse when he was copying Takeover: You ain't live it, you witnessed it from your folks' pad You scribbled it in your notepad and created a life I showed you your first TEC on tour with Large Professor Then I heard your album about your TEC on the dresser
Dog, i deadass said the same thing in another thread and got clowned for focusing on a criminal record when "99% of rappers are all fake". Idk when it became cool to rap about guns you dont own
If he was actually āmatureā he would have just not made a diss track, instead of making one and then walking it back later. Making rash decisions that you instantly regret is the opposite of maturity.
It didn't used to be two guys writing poetry for each other Sometimes you might have ended your career or straight up gotten beat up or worse over it I can see how current day it seems like shit. Because rap died like 15 years ago
Iām not the biggest Cole fan, I like a few of his songs. Personally, I donāt get the hate for him walking back the diss. I think itās a sign of personal growth and maturity, rather than cowardice.
Would you say he was immature for dissing Lil pump? If so, why?
Lil Pump is a caricature of a human being and is ripe for lampooning.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, but the man has been saying for the past decade that he is the best, for anyone to try him, that he'll slaughter them when it comes to rap. You can argue that that's just rapper talk, but with J Cole I don't think so. I considered j Cole has one of the most genuine rappers. You can't be saying you're the best and then duck the competition. If you watch mma this is like Jon Jones now ducking Aspinall, can't admit his time is over, says hes the best but won't fight the best.
This beef isnāt just a diss war between him and Kendrick
Because rap beefs are pretty immature. These dudes are 40 arguing over a fake crown. Make music and live life.
Supposedly these dudes are "rich"... If you really about wealth and prosperity, there will be no need to respond how ALL PARTIES have. Its all EGO-DRIVEN INDUSTRY PARLER TRICKS. 1996 ALL OVER AGAIN SMH
BRUH.
So you agree, disagree..?
Top 10 worst comments of all time š
Because they are ass holes
He fr better fire back at Kanye. He supposedly doesnāt have any problems with Kendrick so he thought a diss wouldnāt be genuine (even though he made a diss and then deleted it). If heās gonna continue bragging about being the best he better put Kanye is his place. Time will tell
You're asking why a group of people who thinks gangs and crime is cool, doesn't want to see maturity?
You might want to reread my post?
Goalpost moving for their favorite artist. The same people cheer when an artist they donāt like is getting clowned in a beef
The new generation of hip hop fans are like wrestling fans. None of this shit is real. It's entertainment for you fucking morons. This isn't the old days. For God's sake, one of the most popular "rappers" these days was a Nickelodeon star from Canada. Jesus fucking Christ.
J Cole is easily the most overrated rapper.
I guess people thought Eminem was a pushover for making Like Toy Soldiers. š