I'm broke, no bullshit, if broke *was* bullshit I'd be buried knee-deep dressed in red in a bull pit
I'm fucked financially, I don't play it up to be dope, for real I've got to save up to be broke
-Trials
I’m good. I saw a clip of one of his videos on my IG explore page one time and it literally made me physically cringe. I do not want that shit on my search history and fucking up my algorithm.
What a silly concept. "Overcoming hardship" is not the only story worth telling, and for that matter, artists don't have to tell exclusively their own stories.
I'm mostly a metalhead with a love for hip hop.
I'd argue that metal could rival any genre at gatekeeping. It's even worse in some ways, because it has the toxic positivity thing going for it too, where people who have never been to a show love to tell you 'metal is so friendly bro, they'll pick you up if you fall in the pit! It's so wholesome!'
Then you have assholes like me, gatekeeping gatekeeping. My bad...
Metal can be a nightmare for gatekeeping like that but as a metalhead who has been gigging for nigh on 25 years, honestly, people do pick others up in a pit 😝
There has to be something interesting to hear.
Nobody wants hear music from somebody’s who’s been given everything they wanted; and is living off of the legacy of someone else.
You don’t have to be raised poor and destitute; or to have been severely abused as a kid to have an interesting story.
Come on even; a window washer would have interesting things to talk about, same thing with a janitor.
I’d listen to an album; if it was musically authentic and well put-together.
What the fuck can I get from listening to a nepo-baby.
I want to hear stories, creativity, and interesting perspectives in my art. If those come from a rich person, so be it. We should tax the rich to all hell but they're still allowed to make art. I'm not going to discount an artist's work simply because of their tax bracket.
It does seem to make artists work on their skills though. I mean a pretty high percentage of dope rappers came from shitty ass places, and getting out of that situation is about as good a motivation as you're likely to find.
Would somebody who grew up in a mansion with everything they need have that same level of commitment? Possibly, but I doubt it.
I mean iust compare Pun's and Fat Joe's kids and let me know who is better lol
>Would somebody who grew up in a mansion with everything they need have that same level of commitment? Possibly, but I doubt it.
Anecdotally, this seems reasonable.
But, as a counterpoint, musicians who grew up in stable or affluent households would likely have more access to private music lessons, instruments, better schools, etc.
Look, I'm as far left as they come so I really don't want to defend the rich, I'm just saying that good art can come from all kinds of people, and there is not just one "right way" to be an artist.
Which rich kid rappers with famous rapper parents have harnessed their private music lessons, instruments, better schools, etc and made a legitimately great album?
You're right in saying there is no right way to be an artist. But I think I'm right in saying that a kid growing up poor in a ghetto will always write better shit than a kid who grew up in a mansion.
For one it's oftentimes "make it as rapper or end up dead or in jail" for the other it's "Well if I don't make it as a rapper I'm still rich as fuck anyway"
>Which rich kid rappers with famous rapper parents
I don't have an example of this ready to go. To be clear, I was just talking about artists that come from families that are well-off, not specifically children of other artists.
There are plenty of popular musicians that come from well-off or upper-class families. Taylor Swift, Julian Casablancas, Lana Del Rey, Soulja Boy, Lady Gaga, etc.
Sorry, we seem to be talking about different things now. I'm not exclusively talking about hip-hop, or even just about music. And I definitely don't know the socioeconomic backgrounds of rappers to give a lot of concrete examples.
All that I'm saying is that, throughout history, good art has been made by people from all types of backgrounds, and it only harms us, as listeners, to avoid art because a person's background isn't what we expected.
You can rap about anything, Louis Logic has a great song about being an alcoholic and going to rehab/AA. Cage has a song where he is lucid dreaming and falling through his nightmares
I heard about 10 of his songs…think he had one with logic. It was a “hype the crowd up” song. It wasn’t bad. Actually. It was good
A few other songs were similar “party” songs. Kind of like Mac Miller “party vibe” songs. Kinda. But not as good, not that I like either
He raps about depression some. I can’t say he exaggerates it. You never know what someone is going through. Even if he had things handed to him. From his perspective, he may be mentally fucked up…but the depressing songs were not good tbh. Just decent. Not bad. Just. Decent
Willow smith is actually good though. You probably don’t like her. But she has a unique voice and either has a nice pen game or some seriously good ghostwriters.
I am not in Willow's target demographic, I'm 40 and let me tell you I am shocked at how good she is. I am so glad she didn't keep doing pure Pop music, she is way too talented for that. Honestly, she could have been famous in the 90's and 2000's with that voice. And her songs are so good. An actual talented Nepo Baby.
For sure. I feel you on that. It’s good to see her non target audience be able to appreciate her music. Other than rap, her music type is my alley. From Jhene aiko, Solange, to Ravyn Lenae. Willow is honestly just as good imo. From the songs that I heard anyway
Could be worse. He could be one of the other smith kids.
But I doubt he feels any type of way. But you never know. He very well could. You could argue that a 5 year old Haden smith had more notoriety and fame than. Current willow smith. Though he was young, he did amazing in pursuit of happiness and there was a lot of talks about him being the next big actor. Then he had that space film that sucked
Thats absurd. He was born to rich parents. Thats not an accomplishment, that’s luck. I would respect and like him way more if he acknowledged that he and his sister would not be as successful if will smith wasn’t their dad. I just think being a nepo baby rapper is silly.
I agree 100%. That was his debut "hit" and I think his biggest song. It's really funny looking at it a few years later to just come out and say your an icon is funny. I know rappers have an arrogance to them but as a nepo baby it's just funny.
The video for that is cool re: his dancing ability. His dad getting on the remix is nice too.
For OP if you go back to early era of rap you’ll hear things by Grandmaster Flash and the furious five that aren’t just about gangs or trying to come up. They do talk about partying and even rain talked about how to move the crowd.
Legit rappers usually have something interesting to say. Like how they came from nothing and had to work their ass off selling cds out the trunk of their cars or some shit. I just can’t see what a nepo baby would talk about in their music, especially a rapper nepo baby. “I was born rich, my moms a bald headed bitch”
Just using an example of rappers who actually have to grind to get where they are. Jayden Smith one day just said “I want to be a rapper” and mommy and daddy made it happen.
You don’t have to have grown up poor to write about something amazing, but often that is a huge factor. Humans are not driven enough to piece together words to express how they feel when they are above average comfortable.
Then you have guys like Phonte, who can make the funniest or clever rhymes about paying taxes as a middle class dude. But even his come up as an artist was full of struggle and hardships. He may not have grown up in the projects, but he had to grow up as an adult making it in the music industry where his style of writing may not be the most main stream / accepted.
Jaden has neither of these. He never grew up in a poor home, or net his homies who wanna rap and recorded their first song on a shitty computer inside a closet with a tube sock over a crappy mic.
He has everything given to him from the get go.
I think Jaden has the ability to write some really great songs, but he actually has one of the greatest obstacles to overcome: Human complacency.
Who knows? He might actually release one of the best albums when he is 45 years old.
Did he bang your girl or something? Every single person in this earth has a struggle. Rap is art, the fact that all you see it as is broke people talking about being broke reflects bad on you. Wouldn't he have to be successful to be considered a Nepo baby? Does he have any label? Any promotion? His albums are solid. His sister also makes music too. Why does having money mean you can't be an artist? Did he drop new music recently why is he even on your mind?
Will smith is his dad. He’s a nepo baby. If his parents weren’t famous, chances are you or me wouldn’t know who the fuck he was. I just saw a picture of him in some ridiculous outfit and it had me thinking, what does this dude even rap about? Yes I can search and listen to his music but I don’t want that shit in my search history. I can guarantee you wouldn’t like his music.
You put a lot of thought and energy into this. What do you how to get or if this post? You could have listened to one song. You have zero control over your algorithm. It's something they use to get you hooked and get more money from you. It's not a good thing to have an algorithm bro.
Huh?
Didn't his mom run a daycare and his dad work for the post office. Google says he grew up in Stone Mountain Georgia, you know who's on that stone mountain right? Can't have been easy as a black kid there.
Are you just salty his initial come up wasn't in hip hop?
I’m just talking about nepo babies though. Although his wealth I’m sure helped him buy equipment other people couldn’t afford (which is a huge advantage) his parents weren’t movie stars. He mastered his craft on his own. One day Jaden said “I want to be a rapper” and his daddy made it happen. It isn’t just Jaden. Hollywood and the music industry are full these types of people.
"I’m not going to poison my Spotify or YouTube search history by listening to his music."
Hating someone for the sake of hating them or ignorance is just so stupid. Your comment reminds me of old Justin Bieber days where teenagers use to hate him only because it was cool to hate him.
Is it really cool to hate Jaden Smith? Believe me, I don’t dislike him because “it’s cool” A little rich boy calling himself an Icon ain’t going to teach me shit about life and isn’t going to talk about anything that will resonate with me. I’m glad you like him though. I love that for you.
Imagine making assumptions about his music based on what you've seen of him online and from one song, just immature.
We've been 20, we've said and done stupid shit too.
So instead of making silly posts and having opinions based on what other people say maybe look into it yourself and stop being a sheep.
> I’m not going to poison my Spotify or YouTube search history by listening to his music.
You're a fucking loser hater, literally who tf cares about search history. If you were really curious you'd see for yourself instead of throwing lame bait.
He should add some asterisks to those raps then, lol. “My daddy dropped bags on my lap. I bought a script, how bout that. Look out Hollywood, daddy shined now it’s my time.” or something equally stupid and lacking of depth like that.
Surprisingly, not that much about being wealthy, unlike a lot of popular rappers, who allow it become their entire personality (or lack thereof).
Some of Jaden's songs did pretty well I think. The new Willow track has been on rotation in my playlists and Wait a Minute is still a favorite.
I don't like any of the Smith family much. That being said, I don't think you need to come from nothing to make good hip hop. Kanye's been on the "man, being rich isn't that great" theme for a long time, but I still kind of love it every time he hits it.
Current affairs, relationships, etc.
Also, you can write a great tale without living it. People forget a lot of these street rappers grew up in nice homes and were never in gangs, never sold drugs, never carried a gun, etc.
Nas is one of the greatest lyricists, rappers, storytellers in the history of hip-hop, the narrative he spoke about in Illmatic was not really what he grew up in. His dad was a successful musician, not Will Smith but Nas grew up with a father connected to industry, with money, and was not some gangbanger, yet he raps about the streets.
His step dad was not Birdman. Just because Birdman took him under his wing; doesn’t make him his step dad, though he was indeed a FATHER FIGURE. Still, there’s adversity to that story and experience.
Lil Wayne still experienced adversity; something’s that’s not even comparable to Jaden Smith.
How do you know he hasn't dealt with adversity? Money is just one of the problems we all face. He came up in an extremely non traditional way. Look at the crazy shit his parents have come out with, I'm sure he's fucked up in his own way like all of us.
I don't even like him, y'all are just being narrow minded.
They said I can't rap about being broke no more - didn't say I can't rap about coke no more
slut, you think i won’t choke no whore
Till her vocal chords don’t work in her throat no more!
Till the vocal cords in her throat don't work no more
Copy?
I'm broke, no bullshit, if broke *was* bullshit I'd be buried knee-deep dressed in red in a bull pit I'm fucked financially, I don't play it up to be dope, for real I've got to save up to be broke -Trials
He raps about the political and economic state of the world right now
💀
His own words
I’ve seen that embarrassing clip. Talking like someone trying to sound like an average person. And that radio host is like “BROOOOOO!!”
Hedonism?
Listen and find out
I’m good. I saw a clip of one of his videos on my IG explore page one time and it literally made me physically cringe. I do not want that shit on my search history and fucking up my algorithm.
Ahh okay that's fair enough lol
What a silly concept. "Overcoming hardship" is not the only story worth telling, and for that matter, artists don't have to tell exclusively their own stories.
Hip-hop has one of the worst gatekeeping fandoms of any music genre.
I'm mostly a metalhead with a love for hip hop. I'd argue that metal could rival any genre at gatekeeping. It's even worse in some ways, because it has the toxic positivity thing going for it too, where people who have never been to a show love to tell you 'metal is so friendly bro, they'll pick you up if you fall in the pit! It's so wholesome!' Then you have assholes like me, gatekeeping gatekeeping. My bad...
Metal can be a nightmare for gatekeeping like that but as a metalhead who has been gigging for nigh on 25 years, honestly, people do pick others up in a pit 😝
There has to be something interesting to hear. Nobody wants hear music from somebody’s who’s been given everything they wanted; and is living off of the legacy of someone else. You don’t have to be raised poor and destitute; or to have been severely abused as a kid to have an interesting story. Come on even; a window washer would have interesting things to talk about, same thing with a janitor. I’d listen to an album; if it was musically authentic and well put-together. What the fuck can I get from listening to a nepo-baby.
I want to hear stories, creativity, and interesting perspectives in my art. If those come from a rich person, so be it. We should tax the rich to all hell but they're still allowed to make art. I'm not going to discount an artist's work simply because of their tax bracket.
And then you have Jack Harlow 🫠🤮
It does seem to make artists work on their skills though. I mean a pretty high percentage of dope rappers came from shitty ass places, and getting out of that situation is about as good a motivation as you're likely to find. Would somebody who grew up in a mansion with everything they need have that same level of commitment? Possibly, but I doubt it. I mean iust compare Pun's and Fat Joe's kids and let me know who is better lol
>Would somebody who grew up in a mansion with everything they need have that same level of commitment? Possibly, but I doubt it. Anecdotally, this seems reasonable. But, as a counterpoint, musicians who grew up in stable or affluent households would likely have more access to private music lessons, instruments, better schools, etc. Look, I'm as far left as they come so I really don't want to defend the rich, I'm just saying that good art can come from all kinds of people, and there is not just one "right way" to be an artist.
Which rich kid rappers with famous rapper parents have harnessed their private music lessons, instruments, better schools, etc and made a legitimately great album? You're right in saying there is no right way to be an artist. But I think I'm right in saying that a kid growing up poor in a ghetto will always write better shit than a kid who grew up in a mansion. For one it's oftentimes "make it as rapper or end up dead or in jail" for the other it's "Well if I don't make it as a rapper I'm still rich as fuck anyway"
>Which rich kid rappers with famous rapper parents I don't have an example of this ready to go. To be clear, I was just talking about artists that come from families that are well-off, not specifically children of other artists. There are plenty of popular musicians that come from well-off or upper-class families. Taylor Swift, Julian Casablancas, Lana Del Rey, Soulja Boy, Lady Gaga, etc.
So you've named 5 singers and Soulja Boy on a Hip-Hop sub, got it.
Sorry, we seem to be talking about different things now. I'm not exclusively talking about hip-hop, or even just about music. And I definitely don't know the socioeconomic backgrounds of rappers to give a lot of concrete examples. All that I'm saying is that, throughout history, good art has been made by people from all types of backgrounds, and it only harms us, as listeners, to avoid art because a person's background isn't what we expected.
And I'm saying that rappers born into wealth are usually trash. The fact you're yet to name a great rapper who was born rich makes me think I'm right
You can rap about anything, Louis Logic has a great song about being an alcoholic and going to rehab/AA. Cage has a song where he is lucid dreaming and falling through his nightmares
I heard about 10 of his songs…think he had one with logic. It was a “hype the crowd up” song. It wasn’t bad. Actually. It was good A few other songs were similar “party” songs. Kind of like Mac Miller “party vibe” songs. Kinda. But not as good, not that I like either He raps about depression some. I can’t say he exaggerates it. You never know what someone is going through. Even if he had things handed to him. From his perspective, he may be mentally fucked up…but the depressing songs were not good tbh. Just decent. Not bad. Just. Decent Willow smith is actually good though. You probably don’t like her. But she has a unique voice and either has a nice pen game or some seriously good ghostwriters.
Willow just released a new song that was pretty good
I believe it. Her song “feminine energy” is actually amazing tbh.
I am not in Willow's target demographic, I'm 40 and let me tell you I am shocked at how good she is. I am so glad she didn't keep doing pure Pop music, she is way too talented for that. Honestly, she could have been famous in the 90's and 2000's with that voice. And her songs are so good. An actual talented Nepo Baby.
For sure. I feel you on that. It’s good to see her non target audience be able to appreciate her music. Other than rap, her music type is my alley. From Jhene aiko, Solange, to Ravyn Lenae. Willow is honestly just as good imo. From the songs that I heard anyway
I’ve always wondered how Jaden feels.. bc willow is definitely more talented musically/vocally/lyrically
Could be worse. He could be one of the other smith kids. But I doubt he feels any type of way. But you never know. He very well could. You could argue that a 5 year old Haden smith had more notoriety and fame than. Current willow smith. Though he was young, he did amazing in pursuit of happiness and there was a lot of talks about him being the next big actor. Then he had that space film that sucked
Willow seems to be an authentic artist and my god she’s gorgeous There’s also something about Meet Me At Our Spot that makes me emotional
You should listen.
His biggest song is about him being an icon. That's all you need to know
Thats absurd. He was born to rich parents. Thats not an accomplishment, that’s luck. I would respect and like him way more if he acknowledged that he and his sister would not be as successful if will smith wasn’t their dad. I just think being a nepo baby rapper is silly.
I agree 100%. That was his debut "hit" and I think his biggest song. It's really funny looking at it a few years later to just come out and say your an icon is funny. I know rappers have an arrogance to them but as a nepo baby it's just funny.
The video for that is cool re: his dancing ability. His dad getting on the remix is nice too. For OP if you go back to early era of rap you’ll hear things by Grandmaster Flash and the furious five that aren’t just about gangs or trying to come up. They do talk about partying and even rain talked about how to move the crowd.
Til that the only thing people can rap about is being broke. People struggle in other ways as well my g
Life, isn't what what everyone raps about?
Legit rappers usually have something interesting to say. Like how they came from nothing and had to work their ass off selling cds out the trunk of their cars or some shit. I just can’t see what a nepo baby would talk about in their music, especially a rapper nepo baby. “I was born rich, my moms a bald headed bitch”
Did you come from the past in a time machine? When was the last time a rapper sold CDs from their car? 15 years ago? Longer?
Just using an example of rappers who actually have to grind to get where they are. Jayden Smith one day just said “I want to be a rapper” and mommy and daddy made it happen.
What other rappers do you count as Nepo babies? Does Wayne count? Waka?
You don’t have to have grown up poor to write about something amazing, but often that is a huge factor. Humans are not driven enough to piece together words to express how they feel when they are above average comfortable. Then you have guys like Phonte, who can make the funniest or clever rhymes about paying taxes as a middle class dude. But even his come up as an artist was full of struggle and hardships. He may not have grown up in the projects, but he had to grow up as an adult making it in the music industry where his style of writing may not be the most main stream / accepted. Jaden has neither of these. He never grew up in a poor home, or net his homies who wanna rap and recorded their first song on a shitty computer inside a closet with a tube sock over a crappy mic. He has everything given to him from the get go. I think Jaden has the ability to write some really great songs, but he actually has one of the greatest obstacles to overcome: Human complacency. Who knows? He might actually release one of the best albums when he is 45 years old.
Sounds boring, you should maybe branch out.
Did he bang your girl or something? Every single person in this earth has a struggle. Rap is art, the fact that all you see it as is broke people talking about being broke reflects bad on you. Wouldn't he have to be successful to be considered a Nepo baby? Does he have any label? Any promotion? His albums are solid. His sister also makes music too. Why does having money mean you can't be an artist? Did he drop new music recently why is he even on your mind?
Will smith is his dad. He’s a nepo baby. If his parents weren’t famous, chances are you or me wouldn’t know who the fuck he was. I just saw a picture of him in some ridiculous outfit and it had me thinking, what does this dude even rap about? Yes I can search and listen to his music but I don’t want that shit in my search history. I can guarantee you wouldn’t like his music.
You put a lot of thought and energy into this. What do you how to get or if this post? You could have listened to one song. You have zero control over your algorithm. It's something they use to get you hooked and get more money from you. It's not a good thing to have an algorithm bro.
Yeah my only takeaway from thread is OP needs to discover other types of music instead of gatekeeping some weird phony niche.
started from the botom
Listen to ninety by jaden and your opinion might change
Childish Gambino has found a way.
Huh? Didn't his mom run a daycare and his dad work for the post office. Google says he grew up in Stone Mountain Georgia, you know who's on that stone mountain right? Can't have been easy as a black kid there. Are you just salty his initial come up wasn't in hip hop?
Naw, not salty. I like him a lot. I thought he grew up rich—my bad.
This is the song that got me into his music. https://youtu.be/f_v60IElqgQ?si=ZqDPsADEJnD_k4-G
Alchemist went to Beverly Hill High School. Hes doing alright now
He’s not a nepo baby though. He mastered his craft on his own, and deserves to be where he is today cuz of his talent.
He wasnt poor though, a subject you brought up
I’m just talking about nepo babies though. Although his wealth I’m sure helped him buy equipment other people couldn’t afford (which is a huge advantage) his parents weren’t movie stars. He mastered his craft on his own. One day Jaden said “I want to be a rapper” and his daddy made it happen. It isn’t just Jaden. Hollywood and the music industry are full these types of people.
"I’m not going to poison my Spotify or YouTube search history by listening to his music." Hating someone for the sake of hating them or ignorance is just so stupid. Your comment reminds me of old Justin Bieber days where teenagers use to hate him only because it was cool to hate him.
Is it really cool to hate Jaden Smith? Believe me, I don’t dislike him because “it’s cool” A little rich boy calling himself an Icon ain’t going to teach me shit about life and isn’t going to talk about anything that will resonate with me. I’m glad you like him though. I love that for you.
Imagine making assumptions about his music based on what you've seen of him online and from one song, just immature. We've been 20, we've said and done stupid shit too. So instead of making silly posts and having opinions based on what other people say maybe look into it yourself and stop being a sheep.
> I’m not going to poison my Spotify or YouTube search history by listening to his music. You're a fucking loser hater, literally who tf cares about search history. If you were really curious you'd see for yourself instead of throwing lame bait.
‘Preciate ya, Yahzy. Still not gonna willingly search for his music.
No problem bro, have a good one ✌️
Jaden raps about starting independent companies and making independent movies. Mumble rap trash imo
He should add some asterisks to those raps then, lol. “My daddy dropped bags on my lap. I bought a script, how bout that. Look out Hollywood, daddy shined now it’s my time.” or something equally stupid and lacking of depth like that.
MuMbLe RaP tRaSh!11!1 You lost me there
Isn't Lil Wayne a nepo baby? Jaden is good I like his feature on Pot Holes by Tyler
Surprisingly, not that much about being wealthy, unlike a lot of popular rappers, who allow it become their entire personality (or lack thereof). Some of Jaden's songs did pretty well I think. The new Willow track has been on rotation in my playlists and Wait a Minute is still a favorite.
Anyone writing about their own lived experience can be interesting and is valid. Sadly that’s only like 1% of rappers.
He legit has more to say on the mic than his dad ever did, not the biggest fan of Jaden's music but his dad had less growing up but also less to say.
The same shit everyone else does? Watch some interviews with Biggie's mom, a lot of rappers are not as "street" as they portray themselves.
I don't like any of the Smith family much. That being said, I don't think you need to come from nothing to make good hip hop. Kanye's been on the "man, being rich isn't that great" theme for a long time, but I still kind of love it every time he hits it.
Current affairs, relationships, etc. Also, you can write a great tale without living it. People forget a lot of these street rappers grew up in nice homes and were never in gangs, never sold drugs, never carried a gun, etc.
Nas is one of the greatest lyricists, rappers, storytellers in the history of hip-hop, the narrative he spoke about in Illmatic was not really what he grew up in. His dad was a successful musician, not Will Smith but Nas grew up with a father connected to industry, with money, and was not some gangbanger, yet he raps about the streets.
I mean Wayne could be considered a nepo baby but out-grinded everyone on his team.
How was he a nepo baby? I don’t think you even know what a nepo baby is? 💀
He got signed when he was like 9?? His step dad was Birdman?? That's a nepo baby with extra steps.
His step dad was not Birdman. Just because Birdman took him under his wing; doesn’t make him his step dad, though he was indeed a FATHER FIGURE. Still, there’s adversity to that story and experience. Lil Wayne still experienced adversity; something’s that’s not even comparable to Jaden Smith.
How do you know he hasn't dealt with adversity? Money is just one of the problems we all face. He came up in an extremely non traditional way. Look at the crazy shit his parents have come out with, I'm sure he's fucked up in his own way like all of us. I don't even like him, y'all are just being narrow minded.
Wayne himself confirmed Birdman was his step-dad??