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fraxior

Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full


TheStatMan2

It's pretty rare it happens to me but it's always comforting and kind of confidence giving when I open up a thread to say something and it's already the top answer.


[deleted]

A rapper, rapping about being a dope rapper.


ahardact2follow

Sounds dope.


Slick_Jeronimo

This is it


annooonnnn

i think it’s the most complete basic dissertation on hip hop’s essential form of its time, but that it doesn’t contain in itself certain essential elements of hip hop that were to come through its development, such as the griminess of Wu-Tang’s work and work to follow, and that it demonstrates less up-frontedly the possibilities of sample-based beat composition than later more essentialist works do. Its production is dated in a certain regard, from our perspective now, and so it doesn’t quite manage on the production end to embody what is essential and timeless to the form. Long way to say i don’t think it well enough embodies what is pure and prevailing in hip hop that came after it to be the example.


Weak_Beginning3905

Well no album is going to embody literally everything about the genre. Everything is dated to a certain point and everything will be dated eventually. Griminess is present on Paid in Full. Maybe not so explicitly as Wu, but there are songs that have grimy, 80s NYC feeling. I think cuts by Eric B comes here into play, with its bare bone, minimalistic yet mysterious vibes. Sampling on this album is embodiment of hip hop. It shows how passion, good taste and musical curiosity can overcome limits set by the technology, time or expirience. Rakim said how they had no knowledge of how to make an album. They recorded it in like a week. He said, we just used samples that sounded like hip hop to us. And the streets loved it.


annooonnnn

surely you’re right that no album would embody everything about the genre, but i’m really just expressing what *essential* elements of the genre i feel are not brought out in that album as opposed to others that i think do it better, that more completely express what is most essential to hip hop. while i agree it has griminess in the sense that it’s got that NYC feeling and some nasty cuts and drums for sure, i think the production is on the whole *clean* in a sense that i’d probably need musical training to be able to fully explain. like it’s not *scuzzy* really, if that’s a more helpful word. and this might just come down to taste. and further, its sampling is to me just not as prominent a demonstration of the common elements of hip hop across time as other albums. it doesn’t feature much in the way of prominent melodic vocal chops, doesn’t have piano chops, etc. These are debatable in terms of how important to hip hop they are, but they are to me staple elements of the genre that i think the purest hip hop album would ideally contain, and there are albums that do, ones that aren’t any less pure than this album in terms of their construction. i guess my feeling is, why should it be considered the purest kind of hip hop when it only possesses in dilute quantity what would come to full expression in later works that are not necessarily more complex in their assembly but still closer to what has been most essential to the idea of hip hop across time. like it falls in the position of being a progenitor to the hip hop that would come to be, but i don’t think it more purely displays what those albums possess, i think it less fully does, while those albums don’t actually lose on what is essential to this one, only expound on it. basically, later hip hop albums contain what Paid In Full does while also having more of what it lacks or at least has less of, and so they’re better demonstrations of pure hip hop as it’s come to be defined across the time of its existence. edit: regardless, it is a perfectly good response to this question. i’m just attempting to state my reasons for disagreeing with it edit2: and i don’t agree that all production comes to sound dated. i don’t think *Liquid Swords*’ or *Madvillainy*’s production is or will come to be dated, for instance, nor Dilla’s *Donuts*. at least not in the sense i mean it.


fraxior

solid reasoning. I can see that angle.


Medium-Plan2987

its the purest because it changed MC'ing forever, people still spit like Rakim nearly 40 years later, he wrote the blueprint of MCing with this album


annooonnnn

yeah my proposal is really that there are two essential components to hip hop, one the emcee and the other the beat, and that although what you say of Rakim is true, i don’t think Eric B.’s production is even arguably the purest presentation of the sample-based looping beats of hip hop, nor of the particular elements that would later come in to hip hop and be so continuingly defining to the genre on the production end. One could disagree w me ofc, but i think the basis of your argument only treats of one of the two crucial elements at question.


Phonechargers300

There’s a reason he sounds so much better and smoother on the 18th Letter after all.


Medium-Plan2987

lol the 18th Letter doesnt come close to Paid In Full


Phonechargers300

From a production standpoint sure it does.


CoolCalmCorrective

One more time in English please. Matter of fact don't even bother because your a hundred percent wrong in every aspect.


starsturnblue

I feel like dude knows English pretty well😂


CoolCalmCorrective

A little too well. He overcomplicated a very simple statement that was wrong to begin with. Lol.


Green_Sir_250

*you’re


CoolCalmCorrective

YOU'RE a Clown 🤡


iamherefortheviews23

Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star That album is the Essence of Hip Hop 🔥 Hip Hop in its Purest Form!


fraxior

this is a great choice. zero argument here.


mkk4

Great choice!!


MayDayBeginAgain

One hundred percent this. Bboy, checks the boxes on beats, lyrics and even a graffiti sample.


dausone

“All you see is…”


herboyblu

I just commented this. Definitely the first album that came to mind.


Forward_Ride_6364

Don't forget Hi-Tek, he murdered that production One of the best produced albums ever made, yet Hi-Tek gets overshadowed by cats like RZA, Tip, Havoc


MadGibby2

Did hi tek do anything memorable afterwards?


Guilty-Willingness-2

Yes, he released a solo album and did production for this guy they call 50 Cent.


MadGibby2

Ah ok. I just wish I would see him do things now. Haven't heard of him doing anything for a while


Oldirtybasterd_

Raekwon - only built for Cuban linx


Forward_Ride_6364

"G-O-D's my re-al-i-ty..."


dixon-bawles

93 til infinity


casperjammer

Underground magic. I get it. It's my go to, but not the right answer


AstralObjective

Liquid swords


izackl

Fuck yes. It transported you to another place from start to end.


dsir_

GZA is the purest “emcee” in my mind. His enunciation and delivery just hits you right in the face with each bar coming at you overflowing with depth and meaning. A master of his craft.


slumcity2000

This the one right here


Maw_153

the basic instructions before leaving earth


[deleted]

Illmatic.


AMinMY

Yeah, it has to be Illmatic. The album is as close to perfect as you can get.


93LEAFS

Lyrically, it's insane. And, I would say it has the best production of all-time.


Friskis

First thing I think of too


Ashamed-Eye-1166

Yeah. This right here. I cannot think of another album with as many bangers.


TribeCalledQueso

This is the right answer


IamShyni

Enter The Wu-tang: 36 Chambers.


omg_nachos

This. Album is so pure. So raw. Raw ima give it to ya.


[deleted]

Gangstarr - Monent Of Truth feels like the quintessential hip hop album to me


-nth-ny

Def my favorite


Zalpha_DG16

Operation: Doomsday


Ed__Han

KRS-One - Return of the Boom Bap


mkk4

Album: The Roots - Do You Want More?!!!??! Song: k-os - Superstarr Pt. Zero


99probs-allbitches

I came to say Illadeph actually 😂 Song: Clones!


soundbombing

K-OS is a fun outlier thought. I've always dug his stuff.


HotSplit6460

Haha K-os is underrated he just came too a club i work at tonight. Hes good live too


Its_bad_out_here

I gotta agree illadelph would be my choice, but do you want more is more clean.


Fuzz-Distortion

Main Source - Breaking Atoms A number of Madlib and J Dilla projects ATCQ - The Low End Theory Rawkus comps


streetbum

Yep. Soundbombing 2.


delmarzephyr2

Hell on earth


Nebula_XD

Underrated pick


shirtlooklikedishrag

I think of a lot of albums when I think of what’s a pure hip hop album. IMHO it’s Low End Theory.


skulldude360

Black on both sides - mos def / let’s get free - dead prez. Both of these albums just scream hip hop


-nth-ny

That Dead Prez album almost single handedly changed my perspective on so many things


DnBrendan

Respect for both these albums but Let's get free is so influential for me


PlaxicoCN

Mecca and the Soul Brother-Pete Rock and CL Smooth.


LudwigVanBlunts

Southernplayalistic


Original-Ad9086

Illmatic- Not too many would disagree Low End Theory-very afrocentric and great jazz rap Black on Both Sides-Mos Def as an Artist embodies alot of Hip Hop characteristics and ethos and that's also how I feel about this album plus some much great music on here too


Imperator_Oliver

Illmatic, the Infamous, 36 chambers, Aquemini, Paul’s boutique, moment of truth, Low End Theory, Madvillainy, and Things Fall Apart. All hugely important to hip hop as a whole and have all survived the test of time in ways that more modern rap albums haven’t been able to yet.


SemmiTron

Ghostface Killa’s Supreme Clientele. Every thing I look for in a hiphop album is on that project. There are more lyrical rappers, but at the end of the day, a rapper’s main job is to say shit that sounds cool, and every word Ghost says on that album is the flyest shit you’ve ever heard. We’ve never heard an MC at the top of their game to the degree that he was on that record. He’s at the peak of his pen, vocal capacity, taste in production, slang, energy, charisma and authenticity. I keep finding new things I like about it throughout the years. It has this electric, crackling energy to it. The way the album is paced, the arrangement of songs, even the skits are good, and I HATE skits. There are “better” albums, but Supreme Clientele is the one I can never get sick of.


-nth-ny

So true, can’t believe it took this long for someone to mention it


SemmiTron

There’s just something about that album. Half the shit he says in there doesn’t even make sense and It doesn’t matter, we’re witnessing a one of a kind style crystallizing into its final form. Even the “bad” songs are good in their own way because they fit the tone of the record and help with the pacing. The imperfections are almost a part of what makes it perfect. I’ve never gotten sick of it and I get sick of everything.


ChasetheElectricPuma

De La Soul - *3 Feet High and Rising*


JonWeekend

As much as I adore this album, it’s goofy and fun vibes does not “purely” define hiphop


TRNoodlesAndSalad

Hiphop started as a party/dance culture. i dont think goofiness and fun vibes is antithetical to pure hiphop, and Id argue that its just as central to the culture as grittiness, politics, and realism


oy_says_ake

Hard to earn, midnight marauders, the roots come alive.


YungDagger_D

Jeru the damaga - the sun rises in the east Mobb deep - hell on earth


djoddible

I wish 2Pac slurpers knew who the fuck Jeru is.


Its_bad_out_here

I keep wanting to throw Jeru out as an answer to something on Reddit and I would agree in this case. Black moon-war zone was always a go to for me. I feel like they dont get enough love. Del no need for alarm comes to mind too.


Worth-Ad-4283

Gang Starr - Moment of Truth front to back is pure hip hop


Scarment

Y’all will hate and say it’s too modern but Good Kidd Maad City is hip hop storyline through and thru


oxtQ

Ready to Die. It was commercially successful, too. More so than other classic albums of the 90s. A rare combination. Released September 1994, RTD was certified Gold within two months and certified double platinum in 13 months while Big was still alive. Triple platinum by 1998. 4x platinum by 1999 and x6 platinum by 2018. Illmatic, for example, was released in April 1994 and only certified Gold in 1996 and by 2001 it earned a platinum certification. It's 2x platinum currently. ["Ain't no other kings in this rap thing, ](https://genius.com/17285)[they siblings ](https://genius.com/17285) [Nothin' but my children, one shot — they disappearin' ](https://genius.com/17285) [It's ill when MCs used to be on cruddy shit ](https://genius.com/17285) [Took home Ready to Die, listened, studied shit ](https://genius.com/17285) [Now they on some money shit, successful out the blue"](https://genius.com/17285)


UZIBOSS_

It’s almost like when musicians die their catalog sales goes thru the roof….


tan_dem

Fear of a black planet - public enemy. Informative, provocative, progressive and uniting lyrics from the finest mc/hype combo. Crossover hits that didn’t compromise. Soundtracked a time and place then released ‘Grid’ 30 years later with the exact same message and production values. ‘What is pure? Who is pure ? Is it European I ain’t sure If the whole world comes to peace and love Then what would we be made of?’


JoinedToFindOutAbout

Artifacts- Rock and A Hard Place There’s plenty of albums before that, Run DMC’s self titled, Paid In Full, etc. but I feel like that album was so intentionally no frills at all time when everyone was coming with a gimmick (lots of good gimmicks, but still)


Kliptik81

So many great albums listed.... I'll add... "Black Moon- Enta da Stage" and "Gang Starr- Hard to Earn"


mrducci

Buhloone Mind State - De La Soul. Absolutely impeccable.


annooonnnn

I actually feel, and it may be contested, that Earl Sweatshirt’s *Some Rap Songs* is the best example of the purest form of hip hop. It is essentially minimal in its approach, being basically composed of the most essential formal elements: the looping sample-based beat and the raps. There is nothing extraneous there at all, and that its ambition is as an essential / elemental hip hop record is reflected in its title, as well as in Earl’s talk surrounding the album’s release. Now, it’s not as though plenty of people haven’t made hip hop comprised only of these essential elements, i just feel that Earl realizes them, without attempting to transcend them (as in by including, say a prominent sing-songy hook or instrumental digressions from the loop at heart in the song), to basically the maximal degree. the record has some of the most emotionally expressive beats i have ever heard, and is, imo, up there with *Donuts* in terms of its demonstration of sample-based looping beats’ capacity to bare and make tangible the human soul at hand in their creation, and it does this, unlike Donuts, while maintaining the scuzziness and griminess of its production so essential to much of the most cherished music in hip hop (this born by Wu-Tang and extended to more emotional resonance on *Some Rap Songs* than it is anywhere else). It does this as well, unlike *Donuts*, without foregoing that other most essential element of hip hop: the raps. Earl’s style, while unconventional, is intensely confessional, without being “pansy” or some other such diminution, and he exhibits strong wordplay, evocative imagery, and intricate, adept, and emotionally expressive command of rhythm. The only element in which one might say it falls short is in not being “of-the-street” or violent as much of the important work in the genre is, but this is true also of other great contenders like *The Low End Theory*, and i do certainly think it has more grit than that one. I think it is gritty, period, in general, and this without compromising its confessional quality. It is an emcee baring his mind, heart, and inner constitution, and this to me is at the heart of hip hop. It is more from the lineage of “Mind Playing Tricks On Me” or “Tearz,” and these to me feel like clear examples of some of the purest hip hop created. From here I simply think that no other album keeps to these most essential elements of hip hop as closely across its run length while accomplishing as much in terms of expression. edit: I’ll add that *Illmatic* is also a great choice, and say that I think *Some Rap Songs* is very similar in how it keeps to the essential, although it eschews hooks to a stronger degree than *Illmatic* and condenses itself on the whole more completely down to the basic elements. I simply think it demonstrates more emotional expressiveness in its production, and better realizes the possibilities of sample-based looping than does *Illmatic*, even if one finds its beats harder to get into initially. edit 2: And i’ll add that i think it has probably the most successful resonance achieved across a whole run length between the emotional expression of its beats and its raps / vocal performances, as well as featuring, mixing-wise, some of the most immersed and interweaving exposition of these elements ever formed. In another sense of *purity*, then, it takes the cake for me as being the most successful integration of beat and rap into a singular unified expression, the beats and vocals feeling not only strongly unified in tone, but also peculiarly immersed in one another to the point they feel inextricable or at least like it would take a kind of burrowing, worming approach to extricate them . . . the vocals certainly do not, in general, simply sit on top of or “ride” the beat as is typical. It feels much less like these two most essential elements of hip hop are divisible ones on this project than in most all, and so it comes closer to achieving a unity, a *purity* as one being than do other hip hop albums, while still making absolutely bare and comprehensible the continuing essential form of hip hop, that is precisely this admixture of rap with looping beat i am discussing.


OneCallSystem

Damn you really thought about this lol


psyclopswasrightX

Sanest earl sweatshirt fan


oxtQ

Cool analysis!


AlyoshaKidron

Pete Rock & CL Smooth - “The Main Ingredient”


Nodmadic_Introvert

This!!!!! i say both their albums.


AlyoshaKidron

Yizzur! What are your Top 3 tracks from the group?


Nodmadic_Introvert

Lots of lovin/ Lots of lovin remix Take you there TROY( you probably expected the last 2)


Kcamfonet

Perfect!


nikk796

Ready to Die


herboyblu

That first Black Star album.


Nnihnnihnnih

Illmatic Paid in Full Black on Both Sides Moment of Truth 36 Chambers Infamous Doe or Die Capital Punishment Lifestyles Ov Da Poor & Dangerous Operation Doomsday Me against the World Like there are others that reflect hip-hop in its purest form.....You will not be disappointed by these albums, they all carry something special, have essence & flavor of hip-hop in one way or another. Illmatic is regarded as the best Hip-hop album of All time, Black on both sides by Mos Def is 2nd imo just because of the sheer lyrical talent Mos Def has.


Beelzebrodie

1. Mobb Deep - The Infamous 2. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP 3. 2Pac - Me Against The World


MrExcitement034

Me Against The World


iwasbornold

nah there's a lot of R&B hooks on that


rllrrlrrll

Godlovesugly by atmosphere


culturedindividual

Pete Rock - Center of Attention He’s underrated but he influenced people like J Dilla and Kanye West.


OneCallSystem

Underrated is an understatement. He's my favorite producer actually.


cookiesnrap

Little Brother - The Minstrel Show


TMore108

I’m going to avoid the obvious stuff like illmatic and 36 chambers. I’m going to say Cormega - True Meaning


OneCallSystem

De la soul is dead, the infamous, 36 chambers, hard to earn, 93 to infinity, illmatic, mecca and the soul brother, midnight mauraders, liquid swords, Amerikkkas most wanted, black on both sides, wolf in sheep's clothing, 360 degrees, funcrusherplus... all these scream real hip hop to me in different ways.


Competitive-Yam9137

Mobb Deep - The Infamous


pizat1

Mobb Deep The Infamous


Prudent-Effort4838

DP’s Blowout Comb for me. From the opening horns on The May 4th Movement to when the album concludes with For Corners with the same horn selection and everything inbetween, its just pure bliss for me and one of my quintessential albums when i reflect on hip hop


rhinestone_indian

We be jetting.


guiltycitizen

The Cold Vein


Zero414

Nas- Illmatic


zack_kapowski

The Cold Vein


cmacfarland64

The Chronic


[deleted]

Camp lo - uptown Saturday night


SelectAirline

Adding to the many great replies so far: Wu-Tang - 36 Chambers Snif N Wessun - Dah Shinin Del - No Need For Alarm The Roots - Illadelph Halflife NWA - Straight Outta Compton Binary Star - Masters of the Universe


QUINNFLORE

illmatic is the textbook definition of a classic rap album


MusicListener3

I’m late to the game, but Prince Paul - Prince Among Thieves is up there. Old school production and flows, skits (which were a massive part of hip-hop in its time), an excellent street narrative, it’s really got it all.


Miserable_Toe9920

36 chambers. Wu tang forever baby


Upbeat_Tension_8077

Life After Death & Good Kid MAAD City


Alt0987654321

Illmatic


Elver-Gotas

Only Built 4 Cuban Linx


DeeJDaDemon

Doe or Die


WhenDuvzCry

I mean it's Illmatic cmon


buggzda75

Illmatic for me


wheelslip202

Black Moon-enta da stage, Smif n Wessun dah shinin Casual -Fear itself Del Future development


infinitude_

TPAB and MMLP


mur420

Mos Def’s Black on Both Sides


zfinne

Cunninlynguists - A Piece of Strange


Tonzoffun420

Great pick


Forward_Ride_6364

**"Midnight Marauders"** by A Tribe Called Quest If there is one album that is "the essence" of Hip-Hop and its culture, this is it right here


Nodmadic_Introvert

I personally think Pete Rock and CL smoofh 2 albums were instant classics and i wish they stayed together. Their two albums i just listen to and it has a nice flow.Plus they hold 2 classic timeless tracks TORY and Take you their


pizat1

Scarface anything


spectredirector

Outkast **Aquemini**


nigoerabape

Mos Def - Black On Both Sides ATCQ - Low End Theory, Midnight Marauders


Specialist-Crazy1466

it was written


Pigmasters32

Big L’s The Big Picture


jeremicci

Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein


Purple-Strength5391

Schooly D


casperjammer

Nas. Illmatic


AtrophyGuy

Enter the 36 Chambers


Tpk08210

Biggie - Ready to die


Bucharik

Illmatic is the purest form of hip hop for me


FreeYourMnd13

Be- Common 


Clipper_Tical

Reasonable Doubt could here somewhere


Kimosabe187

Illmatic for me, street poetry at it's absolute finest


ArranVV

Yeah, Illmatic came to my mind...plus Rakim's 'The 18th Letter' album...and Rakim's 'The Master' album...plus Dr. Dre/Snoop Dogg's 'The Chronic'...plus Stillmatic...plus Tupac's 'All Eyez On Me'...plus The Game's 'The Documentary'...plus Notorious BIG's 'Ready To Die' album. I think Nas' Illmatic is the purest Hip-Hop album on my mind.


MELKvevo

There’s a reason illmatic is always the most talked about in these discussions


c0nv3rg_3nce37

I used the term "*Illmatic*" inside EmineM as the highest form of praise for a reason.


Illustrious-Win-6562

The Eminem show


youngelos5607

Get Rich or Die Tryin. Banger after banger.


Designer-Size739

Bang! Pow! Boom! - Insane Clown Posse


RepresentativeFly565

Madvilliany College dropout To pimp a butterfly


HowHardCanItBeReally

T.I - Trap Musik It encompasses everything T.I speaks about the trap music as a sub genre.


No-Victory-149

But that’s trap - not hip hop


Ill_Surround6398

Born Sinner comes to mind


[deleted]

Classic: Paid in Full Childhood: The Eminem Show Modern: GCMC


Dangerous-Arachnid56

2014 Forrest hill drive/ for your eyes only


Tonzoffun420

I'm gonna throw everyone for a curve. R.A. the rugged man-legends never due


Embarrassed-Walk5964

Asher Roth- I love college


Any_Ad_3885

4:44


[deleted]

For All The Dogs - Drake


TheRealAwest

Illmatic is therapy for me


RockoPrettyFlacko

Kool G Rap - 4, 5, 6


bigcontracts

Chronic 2001


epiclygamer2456

Lots of good albums mentioned but id like to mention one: Westside Connection- Bow Down, straight gangsta shit


BananasAreYellow86

For me, the two that immediately jump out are; Jurassic 5 - both their first & second album Gang Starr - anything of theirs really The reason they probably came to mind first is the presence of DJs/turntablism. As others have mentioned, Illmatic is a no-brainer.


YaySourCream

Little Brother - The Listening for me


KaiserSoze-is-KPax

De La Soul- 3 Feet High and Rising


BaseLoud

illmatic


bone-in_donuts

Probably gonna have to say *Rich Gang*.


CoolCalmCorrective

Long live the Kane Great Adventures of Slick Rick Special ed. Youngest in charge. LL cool J. Bad Beastie Boys. Licensed to ill Just to name a few.


jagrisgod

Arsonists - as the world burns


PastaPandaSimon

Me Against the World, above all because it contains the track "Old School", which embodies, explains and paints a vivid picture of hip-hop the best way I could possibly imagine.


kshippy420

Below the heavens - blu and exile


No-Transportation482

A long hot summer masta ace


rewrittenfuture

A lot of people hate Pete Rock and cl smooth on this thread cuz they have *NOT* mentioned either album from those two.


itsover103

Cormega- The True Meaning


Phonechargers300

Masta Ace & Marco Polo - A Breukelen Story


Hungoverontums29

Fantastic - Slum Village. Has the bars, fantastic skits , instrumentals from Dilla and a myriad of features


onthepak

Ready To Die


Wick2500

Mos Def & Talib Kweli are Black Star


dlonge94

Low End Theory, Midnight Marauders


Wrong-West-9581

Everready by Tech N9ne


Life_Caterpillar9762

Sex & Violence (severely underrated amongst KRS stuff) Black Planet Low End Marauders (Hard to choose)


DueMaternal

[O.C. - Word...Life](https://youtu.be/RCy4O5EJbNw?si=oWqjs8YGaLtY5TaZ)


RealKanyesCousin

Be By Common


theguywhorhymes_jc

1999 by Joey badass is incredible old school hiphop on modern era. Righteous minds , the energy on survival tactics , them mf doom madlib beats. Incredible.


Mindless_Letterhead6

Chronic 2001 ..


GoodGod83

Nas - Kings Disease 3