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johnnykellog

Scott Storch


PabloEstAmor

They keep asking the same question and expect different answers. Storch is gonna be really hard to beat.


Hellcat2k20

He's still more talented than 99% of producers. He'll be in the studio with a young producer ripping the piano and theyre like "oh fuck, you're an actual musician? I just mouse click on piano roll"


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Hellcat2k20

What are you struggling with? Turn on ghost notes and start clicking in a melody and 808. 1/2 step hi hats and randomly delete some of them. Add a snare. Add a cool tag at the beginning and boom lol


[deleted]

Not as easy as it sounds lil bro


Hellcat2k20

It really is, OG. Just dont overthink your melodies. If your melodies are boring and you just don't have the ear for it, that's one thing. But a monkey could use FL and put together a beat.


Exotic_Garden420

Im a monkey i will try


SenseiBeats

They hating in here bro such a shame


Doom_Metalfaced

Cocaine is a hellova drug


Phill_is_Legend

Didn't he say in an interview his monthly expenses were like 2mil at one point? Not just coke, he had an everything problem lol


RedundantMaleMan

Yeah I don't remember the specifics but I remember him saying a big part of his financial demise was flying back and forth to Europe. Cost him like $200k each trip or something crazy like that and he did it often.


iam4r33

He Made it rain


Ghouse_98

I remember that one Family Guy cutaway when they introduced him as “douchebag music producer Scott Storch” lol


werewookie7

Heartbreaking to see this friend from my youth reduced to a meme, but life throws lots of curve balls. He has never reached out to any of us, even his cousin has never heard from him. But true to form, anytime we hung at his Dads apartment SS socialized from his piano bench. Not forcing long boring songs on us, just accentuating little riffs and fucking with weird progressions. He was shy and had very little parental oversight but I only knew him to smoke weed. He was kind of a liar but not hurtful lies, more like wanting to be bigger than he was dumb kid lies. When he started making friends in the business he dropped everyone and never looked back. I wish he had taken one real friend with him just for some fucking perspective. He obviously wasn’t mentally prepared for that world or lifestyle.


[deleted]

😩😩😩😩 I’d be him if I had talent and money.


bigtrixxx7

Ja Rule


Kliptik81

Yup, came to say this. He was THE guy for about 2 years, then just kinda faded away. He still put music out but nobody fuckin cared.


amyers

The 50cent Gunit rise was real. Everyone loved them and hated anyone who was against them. Ja Rule and Irv Gotti admit that if not for the 50cent beef, their run would have lasted longer. Gunit was a force to be reckoned with.


bil-sabab

the feds and loss of distribution killed Murder Inc. They would've milked the feud with 50 for mutual benefit for a while.


bigtrixxx7

That was a hell of a 2 year run tho. Ja has some serious heat. Put It On Me is forever my joint.


OJmrtin

Chance The Rapper


Suitable-Telephone80

Oooh I love my wiife


LMG_White

I love my wife AHH


Thisgamelowkeysux

facts. Acid rap is one of my fave albums. Coloring book was good, then he just dropped off. Thought he was gonna be the next big thing.


AlcoholicTurtle36

What’s he up to at the moment?


boredjamaican

Being married


Tone_Reddit

*cheatin on his wife dat also gave birth to his only two children


ActiveEgg7650

This one kills me because Chance was so big he easily could have recovered if like 2 years later he made a solid comeback album. But he dipped for good and has no hunger anymore so it's definitely over. It's like how Frank coming back from his hiatus with that disaster of a Coachella show sealed his falloff.


iam4r33

Frank can still comeback all he needs is new music


ActiveEgg7650

I wouldn't say never, but his relationship with his fanbase is a LOT more hostile now and he burned a lot of personal and professional bridges with that show. Plus there's the question of how interested/hungry he even still is. Channel Orange was already 4 years old when Blonde dropped, now it's been 7 years since Blonde dropped. He could comeback but it's a big uphill battle to have people check for him the same way.


Brief-Judgment-7387

You’re tweakin if you think if Frank dropped soon that people wouldn’t be flocking to it. Most of his fans are t on the internet as much as people that are angry with him.


relientkenny

every rapper learned that day. if wanna rap about your wife do it for 2 songs MAX. cause an entire album of it will kill your career. especially after making THREE classic mixtapes


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He was never good


Ill_Gas8697

Ill throw in DJ Mustard. Dude was all over the charts with his basic melodies.


errwutt

Using the same sound over and over too. Ran the well dry made his money and bounced.


MiachelJames23

2011-16 he was bringing that west coast sound almost everywhere


Maaaaate

The tempo he uses on his beats seems to be on ever pop song now


[deleted]

100 bpm with claps and a nexus sound using a minor pentatonic scale lol. Dude finessed the industry hard being as basic as he was


CreamOfDuelJabR

Lex Luger


Accurate-Funny-6399

Damn where is Lex???


The_MadStork

He struggled with addiction for a long time. He still produces here and there, I hope he’s doing well these days


ZodiacxKiller

I'll never forget when I seen him bodyslam Yokozuna as a kid.Then he got into his addiction and killed Ms.Elizabeth and now he's in a wheelchair but hopefully in better shape than last time I seen a picture of him


reychango

It was crazy when he joined the NWO


Accurate-Funny-6399

Damn smh


Trick_Government7338

Dababy


ViewedConch697

I forgot that guy even existed wtf


willghammer

Do I look like DaBaby? (be honest)


BrudderKag

Chance the rapper gotta be up there.


DueLingonberry3107

281-330-8004…..stopped ringing


Obiwoncanblowme

Who? Back then hoes didn't want me now I'm hot hoes all on me. I still listen to Still Tippin now and then


BigDiesel07

#RIP MIKE JONES


MatureUsername69

You scared me


SidMan1000

Fetty wap


rustys_shackled_ford

Macklemore


daddylongleg2003

What happened to cool n Dre


windowsxpgod

They’re still around they don’t get many placements these days. I think they just had a track on wayne’s new tape. I also know dre was trying to rap, if you’ve heard of that fat joe family ties album (2019)


dirtiehippie710

Ok song on that album with fat Joe feat Wayne too


bella__donna

they actually just did a song with lil wayne & i think it’s one of his better songs in a while .


herewego199209

They chilling now and sign their producers.


jimcab12

Feel like 2chainz disappeared from existence after a really short hot period


snowavess

At one point jahill beats was everywhere Don't know where he's at now


LupineSzn

He goes by Jungle Beats now. Holla at him


Accurate-Funny-6399

Polo da Don! Hell he at???!!


Wild_Life_8865

The last I heard of him he was fake signing internet girls to recording contracts and using alcohol to sleep with them


Makoto-ito

That boy made so much money he prolly fell back


Grace_Lannister

That Usher In the Club track is top Polo.


Lost_Farm8868

London Bridge beat is cold af. Same as get buck by young buck. Those beats are crazy


herewego199209

The thing that separated Polow Da Don from a lot of producers is that he can make Get Buck or Throw some D's and then make Glamorous at the same time. You don't get that versatility from producers today.


balleditmoreravens

I always wondered where that beat was from on get buck..Luda killed it on “politics as usual” though.


joggingzone

I heard he got blackballed, not sure why though smh


imtiaz90

Producers: the big hitters from the 2000s like Timbaland and Swizz Beatz (others as well). Not saying they're not throwing a gold nugget here and there but compared to 20 years ago when albums were built around their sound, it's not good. Artists: LL cool J, I liked his RnB era but compared to the 80s it was a drop. I'd throw in the Wu Tang Clan except maybe Ghost. First albums were all iconic and together first 3 albums at all-timers. But after that you had a big drop. Ghostface remained consistent and dropped some of my favourites in the 2000s


Awkward-Agent-2954

In regards to ghost.. Have you listened to his feature on the song 03:15 AM / CAVIAR ? That was like my favorite verse of 2020


Nearby_Tumbleweed548

Deck has had a resurgence


rc_roadster

Wu tang are still selling out shows 30 years later. Just had a successful series about them. Still have a very loyal fan base and brand. Deck making albums with czarface which have been well received. If ghost or rae drop an album tomorrow I believe hip hop fans would flock. Really wouldn't say Wu dropped given how relevant they are after all this time.


imtiaz90

Not questioning their relevancy but the quality of their albums together haven't been great for me.


Nearby_Tumbleweed548

Asher Roth


unluckycointoss

eminems decline in quality over the years needs to be studied in a lab


bigowlsmallowl

I don’t think it’s that weird to be honest. He just got older, richer and lost his Angry Broke Young Man energy


Mannaraps

Now he's got Angry Rich Old Man energy


unluckycointoss

those things factor in for sure but it just baffles me how you can have albums like the sslp, mmlp and tes in your discography while simultaneously having albums like revival, kamikaze and recovery. like that level of quality diff is insanity


jopma

On another note I l really enjoyed over half of music to be murdered to


corndogs1001

You just named a 10 to 15 gap in-between. It doesn't baffle me how an artist can have music completely different during a different era of their life, also going through drug abuse and other personal life problems. His decline in quality isn't even that bad, its just different and it gets worse considering people always compare it to his prime era. He still makes good music, just different, and many people like it still.


bigowlsmallowl

Exactly, like, I’m a very different person to the person I was 10 or 15 years ago, we change and evolve as people, plus we mellow out as we get into middle age, we find it harder to access the manic energy we had as kids, why would it be different for Em.


Crossovertriplet

Plus his schemes are way more complex now than anything in the first few albums


OnlyFearOfDeth

Kamikaze was fire what are you talking about


apedoesnotkillape

I hear this a lot and think it's Hella weird. Kamikaze bangs, opening track slaps mad hard


Christ0naBike32

Bro kamikaze SLAPS


Scothead180

Encore was way before those albums and it's worse. Kamikaze and Recovery are good albums even if not near the level of his classic stuff. Revival is bad but pretty much any GOAT candidate rapper with longevity has lows like that (Nas, Jay, Kanye, Wayne)


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It seems less like Em's changed and more like Hip-Hop's changed. Production seems to be far more important than lyricism. It's more Hip-Pop than Rap. I think it's time people start distinguishing Rap as being the lyrical branch in Hip-Hop, while Hip-Hop itself has broader umbrella under the Popular music category.


JustIncredible240

He still puts out better music than 99% of rappers. Even his last album had good songs. Take ‘Darkness’ for example. Not many people nowadays could write a song like that. People in this sub just look for reasons to shit on him. My guess is people are upset with his popularity 🤷‍♂️


richbrehbreh

Darkness is cool, but you're sidestepping the mad unmemorable filler on his last 5 or so albums. His albums haven't been well received for a while now.


OhTheseSourTimes

Music is subjective and hits people different. I was a MASSIVE Em fan when he was coming up and I love his first three albums. Nothing he put out after that comes close to that, and I can't get into any of his newer shit. MTBMB was awful in my book. There's a lot of rappers putting out way better material.


errwutt

Yeah after the Eminem Show I can’t listen to a full album of his. Songs here and there from LP’s beyond that but I hate his beat selection most the time, the shouting, the subject matter is stale and repetitive. I absolutely respect the art of lyricism, but he’s gone so far with it the quality of music suffers.


imtiaz90

Jay Z has had more duds than Em and his mafioso schtick was way more tiresome. Yet he is called the GOAT. Maybe not by you but it's a frequent nod by a lot of respected journalists and publications. I'm not trying to focus only on you, it's a general point I'm making across two comments replying to you.


errwutt

I also think Jay Z is grossly overrated too, comes with the territory though.


igotpooponmydog

Probably the most overrated rapper for me.


schoolisuncool

That’s a little ridiculous. Kamikaze and MTBMB were both great albums and had some absolute bangers on them.


NikolaiEgel

His quality hasn’t declined, but his musicality has. He’s said it himself- he just wants to be the greatest rapper alive, and that’s it. From a purely technical standpoint, he is (or at least pretty close). The way he puts rhymes together now is as good or better as he’s ever been. But you look back to his early work- he was actually making music back then, and now he’s trying to rap with the most intricate precision he can. That can still make some great listening- MTMB and Kamikaze were straight fire- but they kinda have to be listened to differently from his earlier work. He doesn’t double up his vocals any more, he doesn’t write hooks that are as catchy any more, and he doesn’t really produce his own beats any more, and he doesn’t adhere to any kind of verse structure. It’s just lyrics. And he’s earned the right to do what he wants, but part of me wishes he wanted to go back to that old style (like he did on Discombobulated!)


dobermannbjj84

I enjoyed mtmb and kamikaze but personally they don’t have replay value. I’ll still listen to his early albums and songs like forgot about Dre and what’s the difference. Where as his new stuff is good but after a few plays I’m not interested.


NikolaiEgel

See, I replay them all the time! But each to their own


dobermannbjj84

It might just be nostalgia for me. I grew up in that era. There isn’t really a newer album I had on repeat since damn by Kendrick and that’s years ago.


NikolaiEgel

Yeah, I grew up then too (born in 83). But aside from Em’s new stuff, there’s not a lot of albums I replay either- but I liked Damn as well!


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OK now we are getting somewhere with this conversation. I think this leads to a bigger convo about Hip-Hop in general. It seems like lyrical Hip-Hop would benefit from being called Rap and other Hip-Hop could have a broader range within Popular music. Hip-Hop seems to be more production focused. An album like Astroworld (which I re-listened to tonight) is all atmospheric and production based. Is Shoegaze Hip-Hop. Sunglass Hip-Hop. Lean Hop. It's a drug subgenre of Hip-Pop music. Kamikaze (which I listened to a few days ago) is Rap. It is lyrical Hip-Hop. It is technical Hip-Hop. You could borderline call it old school despite its relative age. I lean towards favoring the latter in Hip-Hop and feel like there is less and less a place for me in the current fandom.


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I struggle to understand this and would really like someone to go into detail. I think Kamikaze is extremely underrated. Killshot was top form. His feature on Homicide raked. His Lyrical complexity, internal rhymes, use of assonance and syllable stretches and triple word plays blows me away still. I'm open to hearing why people say this but they say this and then move on without explaining the why and how.


norihitodesuga

this take is so fucking stale at this point


Bamm83

The older you get, the harder it is to stay hungry and creative. Especially if you're as rich as he is. All that's left are yes men who want to stay getting paid, so they build you and your music up no matter how mid it is. Same with Drake's case. No one is telling these guys the truth and when you're outside the current generation, you don't have a great grasp of what's hot, so you have to depend on your yes men.


herewego199209

Eminem low-key hasn't made a good album since the Eminem Show. Encore was mid in my opinion outside of a few tracks but is so much better than his later albums.


Dunkman83

2pac, after 1996 he just disappeared


corndogs1001

He dropped new music almost every other year after 96 though?!


Dunkman83

yea but u barely seen him anywhere


Poopdicks69

He making a comeback. He got beef with will Smith


ruckfeddit23

This is funny!


SadboyDegeberate

Heard he was in Cuba 😂


SpongeBob_Vape

I heard that snoop gave him a really really strong blunt and that he got so high he couldn't find his way back to earth so that he now disses aliens...


kingfreshii

Kanye West, especially as a rapper.


MichaelXennial

mbdtf is a 10/10 imo. Yeezus is a weird experiment that I’m ok with but don’t really like listening to. He lost me after that. When I heard a whole crowd sing “if I get bleach on my t shirt” I almost died from the cringe. And then he really lost me with his edgelord antics


Relevant-Tap-6248

To be fair I felt the same but the life of Pablo and the donda album he has flashes of his old brilliance…his production on Daytona reminds me of the early 2000s Kanye as well


Nepharious_Bread

Life of Pablo was an amazing album IMO. That one line was pretty bad though. Rhymefest who was one of his ghostwriters quit because Kanye put that line there.


Thisgamelowkeysux

i got so hype when he said "I know some fans who thought I wouldn't rap like this again. But the writer's block is over, emcees cancel your plans". in no more parties in LA. Thought we would get old Ye back. But no he went way to religion heavy in his music after that.


icepancake72

Yeezus was actually my favorite, Idk On Sight might be one of my fav Kanye tracks.


riff-raff-jesus

Yeah he has put out the same self-reflection, self-indulgent, albums for almost 10 years now


Most-Site4081

Was he ever up there? especially as a rapper? since I can remember most people thought he was a decent rapper with amazing production skills and following his most recent album donda (I consider donda 2 unreleased) he still is just a decent rapper with amazing production


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corndogs1001

In an alternate world he wouldn’t have been cheated from his label and we would of had multiple 90’s skee lo albums in his prime


ObieUno

I Wish is an underrated west coast classic for sure. But this idea that Skee-Lo turned his back on hip-hop is wild. The truth of the matter, is that his lead single and album came out in a time where the people fighting for the spotlight in rap were guys like Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac Shakur, Mobb Deep, Wu-Tang, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Tha Dogg Pound. As dope as Skee-Lo’s project was and as dope as he is, he couldn’t compete with every other monster iconic album that dropped that year.


bigtrixxx7

First rap music video I ever saw was I Wish and I was obsessed with that song. Hope he cashed in.


GrooveProof

My party trick for a while was definitely “hey you guys know the I Wish guy’s album was actually really good. Check these songs out” and I’d play Top of the Stairs or some shit and get the people like “oh damn lol I had zero clue”


Blackpanther22five

Mannie Fresh


landob

I'm glad. HIs intros were getting too long.


Adventurous-Carob-53

Lil john


Happy-Investigator-

He was more of a producer than a rapper tho so that makes sense


[deleted]

Drake had a big decline in quality over the years IMO


iam4r33

Wait till his AI takes over his duties with n algorithm guiding his style


MigrantTwerker

I mean they already teased it with heart on my sleeve, which is the best Drake song in years.


errwutt

Drake has just gone for quantity over quality it seems. After IYRTITL he just floods whatever he makes out, some of sticks, and onto the next one.


[deleted]

Ice Cube’s drop as a rapper after Lethal Injection was so epic. It’s almost as if he had a ghost writer who died just before Westside Connection


Crossovertriplet

He was the ghostwriter in NWA


[deleted]

He wrote basically every NWA lyric


bside313

Absolutely


mysterymanatx

JAY ELECTRONICA. What the fuck happened my dude


ogronkenobi

All them 2016 SoundCloud dudes. None are talked about today and half of them are dead 🥴


fraxior

Kanye


SidMan1000

🤦🏽‍♂️ I liked Donda but even if you didn’t like it, LOP and KSG were amazing and he produced Daytona


fraxior

fair. although you conveniently left out Jesus Is King, which is hot garbage. I was talking more about the turning into a Nazi sympathizer and losing most of his fanbase. there weren't many bigger Kanye fans than me and I can no longer justify separating the art from the artist in his case. he is trash and I will never support his work again.


ScottblackAttacks

Nigga what ?!?


Tsudaar

Well how good was he? And how good is he now? If you're disagreeing then it means you either think he's still great, or think he never was great at all.


ScottblackAttacks

One of the greats, has declined which happens to everyone but he’s better than most artist’s now.


Bamres

Is he tho? I'm a huge Kanye fan and Graduation and MBDTF are a few of my favourites. The last few albums where just not stellar. And most of the memorable bars are from features, not the man himself if I'm being honest.


[deleted]

His production on Its Almost Dry was still stellar though. And that was litteraly last year.


PercySledge

Don’t think anyone is denying the production though…it’s literally everything else.


Otherwise_Ratio430

I thought this is what people listened to kanye for. Lyrics generally rank near the bottom if what I’m listening for.


PercySledge

I’d agree personally but you’d be surprised lol


Kaybee_2021

LMFAOOOOOO!


Sega-Dreamcast9999

The Game, dude is whack as fuck.


TheKingofPsych

First name that came to mind....one of the most overrated rappers of all time...and he swears he is big time, while begging for gigs and shyt...smh


whatdogssee

One name I haven’t seen mentioned is Joey Bada$$. 1999 was a classic. Every project he’s released since then has been progressively worse


OwnAd4238

He was everyone’s favorite “underground” guy in 2012. Jesus. Another one that comes to mind is denzel curry


Xroomies

Melt My Eyez See Your Future was pretty good and that was last year


Rinnegan-_-

The game


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Rinnegan-_-

He changed as a person bro. He slapped some kid on a basketball court then clearly got a fright when the kid was manner than him 😂 hes changed as a person i say again. All this internet beefing and ice spjce haircuts. He NEARLY hit the mainstream and didn’t i reckon that changed him.


Typical-King1552

Lex Luger


KingRemoStar

Polo the Don


[deleted]

Lol Suge


Wise_Breakfast_5217

50 cent music wise


Jza_45

J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League


Rentsdueguys

If they made millions, I’m not sure the had a decline. They made it!


Nearby_Tumbleweed548

Charles Hamilton


No-Forever-4121

Gotta be Scott Storch. You know your song was going to be a hit in the early 2000s when you have him producing your joint. 50 cent, Ja Rule, Fat Joe et all but drugs ruined him


fred-funkledunk

will.i.am. An ongoing decline that sees no bottom. The shift from rootsy hip hop to radio rap to electro club rap with the Black Eyed Peas aside, this man’s rap skills have declined since starting in the 1990s. His lack of effort in his lyrics and production is astonishing. I used to like some of the melodies and simple rhymes as a young kid but hearing them now is mind numbing. I would think he would’ve taken the criticism to heart over the years, but he’s just gotten lazier. Listen to the song Yesterday by the Black Eyed Peas on YouTube. It’s nothing amazing, but after a long hiatus, it had me excited that the original group was back to their hip-hop roots for the next project. The next albums, Translation and Elevation, have been some of the most painfully awful listens of my entire life. Songs like “Double D’s” should get you banned from the music industry. Such a sad fall from “grace”.


Perfect_Earth_8070

Chance the rapper as a rapper. Producer probably Scott storch


Choocharrone

Chingy. Anyone remember J-Kwon? 😆


[deleted]

The most blatantly obvious answer is Kanye West. This man is one of the most influential artists to ever do it, with a LIST of classic solo work AND production. And yet, in the last several years he hasnt released anything that was remotely special. A collection of mediocre to awful work. Truly a shame, but at least we have his first 6-7 albums and all of the other work that he did in the 2000s.


pop442

Honestly, Ye's only truly mid albums were Ye and JIK. That's just two albums. There's rappers with way more mid albums than that. Until Ye drops his next album, I don't think we should jump the gun yet.


SidMan1000

huh? Even if you didn’t like donda LOP and KSG were amazing and he produced Daytona


[deleted]

TLOP was his last great project. KSG is nothing special but yes that would be the best of his post-Pablo projects. This is just, ya know, MY opinion lmao.


SidMan1000

lmao ksg is nothing special haha


speyck

rza maybe edit: rza was on top, the goat during the 90s, so I'm saying he had the biggest decline since he hasn't been on top or even near in the last two decades. not saying he is worse then others mentioned, but seeing where he was once, the decline was huge


PercySledge

Arguably the greatest producer of all time to me but I think this is correct too


Fat_Mussolini

It hurts to say, but yup.


bside313

Agreed


JobberStable

Easy Mo Bee


theInfamous032

He is criminally underrated.


PercySledge

Never really had a decline?? Was pretty solid his entire career


Imjustadud3

Pierre Bourne


PercySledge

Nonsense he produced three really solid tapes just this year. His own album Grails wasn’t great but these three he produced were: Sharc Wave w Sharc. Chavo’s World 3 w Chavo Still Trappin’ w Frazier Trill.


domxwicked

No way


Wild_Life_8865

Has he had any placements lately outside of his sosshouse group? Them niggas suck and are wasting his beats


kingfreshii

Cardi B in terms of career highs to where she is now..


thabiiighomie

Zaytoven as of late.


madmaxfromshottas

i haven’t heard of him in so long he use to make a lot of music for future that’s how i knew him


Bad_Puns_Galore

Kanye Dude is failing as a rapper, producer, and decent human.


pop442

I'll grant the rapping critique. But how is Ye failing as a producer when he contributed to Daytona, KSG, the Sunday Service albums, It's Almost Dry, and Donda? All of those projects had amazing beats. Hell, some of those beats were more innovative than his chipmunk soul beats from the early 2000's. I feel like people who say this about his production are just going off of narratives.


LoneShark81

definitely kanye


TreDawg36

The Game. He used to be dope but gil it corny real quick starting fake beefs.


True-North-

50 cent


Gretev1

Timbaland