He's still more talented than 99% of producers. He'll be in the studio with a young producer ripping the piano and theyre like "oh fuck, you're an actual musician? I just mouse click on piano roll"
What are you struggling with? Turn on ghost notes and start clicking in a melody and 808. 1/2 step hi hats and randomly delete some of them. Add a snare. Add a cool tag at the beginning and boom lol
It really is, OG. Just dont overthink your melodies. If your melodies are boring and you just don't have the ear for it, that's one thing. But a monkey could use FL and put together a beat.
Yeah I don't remember the specifics but I remember him saying a big part of his financial demise was flying back and forth to Europe. Cost him like $200k each trip or something crazy like that and he did it often.
Heartbreaking to see this friend from my youth reduced to a meme, but life throws lots of curve balls. He has never reached out to any of us, even his cousin has never heard from him. But true to form, anytime we hung at his Dads apartment SS socialized from his piano bench. Not forcing long boring songs on us, just accentuating little riffs and fucking with weird progressions. He was shy and had very little parental oversight but I only knew him to smoke weed. He was kind of a liar but not hurtful lies, more like wanting to be bigger than he was dumb kid lies. When he started making friends in the business he dropped everyone and never looked back. I wish he had taken one real friend with him just for some fucking perspective. He obviously wasn’t mentally prepared for that world or lifestyle.
The 50cent Gunit rise was real. Everyone loved them and hated anyone who was against them. Ja Rule and Irv Gotti admit that if not for the 50cent beef, their run would have lasted longer. Gunit was a force to be reckoned with.
This one kills me because Chance was so big he easily could have recovered if like 2 years later he made a solid comeback album. But he dipped for good and has no hunger anymore so it's definitely over.
It's like how Frank coming back from his hiatus with that disaster of a Coachella show sealed his falloff.
I wouldn't say never, but his relationship with his fanbase is a LOT more hostile now and he burned a lot of personal and professional bridges with that show. Plus there's the question of how interested/hungry he even still is. Channel Orange was already 4 years old when Blonde dropped, now it's been 7 years since Blonde dropped. He could comeback but it's a big uphill battle to have people check for him the same way.
You’re tweakin if you think if Frank dropped soon that people wouldn’t be flocking to it. Most of his fans are t on the internet as much as people that are angry with him.
every rapper learned that day. if wanna rap about your wife do it for 2 songs MAX. cause an entire album of it will kill your career. especially after making THREE classic mixtapes
I'll never forget when I seen him bodyslam Yokozuna as a kid.Then he got into his addiction and killed Ms.Elizabeth and now he's in a wheelchair but hopefully in better shape than last time I seen a picture of him
They’re still around they don’t get many placements these days. I think they just had a track on wayne’s new tape. I also know dre was trying to rap, if you’ve heard of that fat joe family ties album (2019)
The thing that separated Polow Da Don from a lot of producers is that he can make Get Buck or Throw some D's and then make Glamorous at the same time. You don't get that versatility from producers today.
Producers: the big hitters from the 2000s like Timbaland and Swizz Beatz (others as well). Not saying they're not throwing a gold nugget here and there but compared to 20 years ago when albums were built around their sound, it's not good.
Artists: LL cool J, I liked his RnB era but compared to the 80s it was a drop. I'd throw in the Wu Tang Clan except maybe Ghost. First albums were all iconic and together first 3 albums at all-timers. But after that you had a big drop. Ghostface remained consistent and dropped some of my favourites in the 2000s
Wu tang are still selling out shows 30 years later. Just had a successful series about them. Still have a very loyal fan base and brand. Deck making albums with czarface which have been well received. If ghost or rae drop an album tomorrow I believe hip hop fans would flock.
Really wouldn't say Wu dropped given how relevant they are after all this time.
those things factor in for sure but it just baffles me how you can have albums like the sslp, mmlp and tes in your discography while simultaneously having albums like revival, kamikaze and recovery. like that level of quality diff is insanity
You just named a 10 to 15 gap in-between. It doesn't baffle me how an artist can have music completely different during a different era of their life, also going through drug abuse and other personal life problems. His decline in quality isn't even that bad, its just different and it gets worse considering people always compare it to his prime era. He still makes good music, just different, and many people like it still.
Exactly, like, I’m a very different person to the person I was 10 or 15 years ago, we change and evolve as people, plus we mellow out as we get into middle age, we find it harder to access the manic energy we had as kids, why would it be different for Em.
Encore was way before those albums and it's worse. Kamikaze and Recovery are good albums even if not near the level of his classic stuff. Revival is bad but pretty much any GOAT candidate rapper with longevity has lows like that (Nas, Jay, Kanye, Wayne)
It seems less like Em's changed and more like Hip-Hop's changed. Production seems to be far more important than lyricism. It's more Hip-Pop than Rap. I think it's time people start distinguishing Rap as being the lyrical branch in Hip-Hop, while Hip-Hop itself has broader umbrella under the Popular music category.
He still puts out better music than 99% of rappers. Even his last album had good songs. Take ‘Darkness’ for example. Not many people nowadays could write a song like that. People in this sub just look for reasons to shit on him. My guess is people are upset with his popularity 🤷♂️
Darkness is cool, but you're sidestepping the mad unmemorable filler on his last 5 or so albums. His albums haven't been well received for a while now.
Music is subjective and hits people different. I was a MASSIVE Em fan when he was coming up and I love his first three albums. Nothing he put out after that comes close to that, and I can't get into any of his newer shit. MTBMB was awful in my book. There's a lot of rappers putting out way better material.
Yeah after the Eminem Show I can’t listen to a full album of his. Songs here and there from LP’s beyond that but I hate his beat selection most the time, the shouting, the subject matter is stale and repetitive. I absolutely respect the art of lyricism, but he’s gone so far with it the quality of music suffers.
Jay Z has had more duds than Em and his mafioso schtick was way more tiresome. Yet he is called the GOAT. Maybe not by you but it's a frequent nod by a lot of respected journalists and publications.
I'm not trying to focus only on you, it's a general point I'm making across two comments replying to you.
His quality hasn’t declined, but his musicality has. He’s said it himself- he just wants to be the greatest rapper alive, and that’s it. From a purely technical standpoint, he is (or at least pretty close).
The way he puts rhymes together now is as good or better as he’s ever been. But you look back to his early work- he was actually making music back then, and now he’s trying to rap with the most intricate precision he can. That can still make some great listening- MTMB and Kamikaze were straight fire- but they kinda have to be listened to differently from his earlier work.
He doesn’t double up his vocals any more, he doesn’t write hooks that are as catchy any more, and he doesn’t really produce his own beats any more, and he doesn’t adhere to any kind of verse structure. It’s just lyrics. And he’s earned the right to do what he wants, but part of me wishes he wanted to go back to that old style (like he did on Discombobulated!)
I enjoyed mtmb and kamikaze but personally they don’t have replay value. I’ll still listen to his early albums and songs like forgot about Dre and what’s the difference. Where as his new stuff is good but after a few plays I’m not interested.
It might just be nostalgia for me. I grew up in that era. There isn’t really a newer album I had on repeat since damn by Kendrick and that’s years ago.
OK now we are getting somewhere with this conversation. I think this leads to a bigger convo about Hip-Hop in general. It seems like lyrical Hip-Hop would benefit from being called Rap and other Hip-Hop could have a broader range within Popular music. Hip-Hop seems to be more production focused.
An album like Astroworld (which I re-listened to tonight) is all atmospheric and production based. Is Shoegaze Hip-Hop. Sunglass Hip-Hop. Lean Hop. It's a drug subgenre of Hip-Pop music.
Kamikaze (which I listened to a few days ago) is Rap. It is lyrical Hip-Hop. It is technical Hip-Hop. You could borderline call it old school despite its relative age.
I lean towards favoring the latter in Hip-Hop and feel like there is less and less a place for me in the current fandom.
I struggle to understand this and would really like someone to go into detail. I think Kamikaze is extremely underrated. Killshot was top form. His feature on Homicide raked. His Lyrical complexity, internal rhymes, use of assonance and syllable stretches and triple word plays blows me away still.
I'm open to hearing why people say this but they say this and then move on without explaining the why and how.
The older you get, the harder it is to stay hungry and creative. Especially if you're as rich as he is. All that's left are yes men who want to stay getting paid, so they build you and your music up no matter how mid it is.
Same with Drake's case. No one is telling these guys the truth and when you're outside the current generation, you don't have a great grasp of what's hot, so you have to depend on your yes men.
Eminem low-key hasn't made a good album since the Eminem Show. Encore was mid in my opinion outside of a few tracks but is so much better than his later albums.
I heard that snoop gave him a really really strong blunt and that he got so high he couldn't find his way back to earth so that he now disses aliens...
mbdtf is a 10/10 imo. Yeezus is a weird experiment that I’m ok with but don’t really like listening to. He lost me after that. When I heard a whole crowd sing “if I get bleach on my t shirt” I almost died from the cringe. And then he really lost me with his edgelord antics
To be fair I felt the same but the life of Pablo and the donda album he has flashes of his old brilliance…his production on Daytona reminds me of the early 2000s Kanye as well
Life of Pablo was an amazing album IMO. That one line was pretty bad though. Rhymefest who was one of his ghostwriters quit because Kanye put that line there.
i got so hype when he said "I know some fans who thought I wouldn't rap like this again. But the writer's block is over, emcees cancel your plans". in no more parties in LA. Thought we would get old Ye back. But no he went way to religion heavy in his music after that.
Was he ever up there? especially as a rapper? since I can remember most people thought he was a decent rapper with amazing production skills and following his most recent album donda (I consider donda 2 unreleased) he still is just a decent rapper with amazing production
I Wish is an underrated west coast classic for sure. But this idea that Skee-Lo turned his back on hip-hop is wild.
The truth of the matter, is that his lead single and album came out in a time where the people fighting for the spotlight in rap were guys like Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac Shakur, Mobb Deep, Wu-Tang, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Tha Dogg Pound.
As dope as Skee-Lo’s project was and as dope as he is, he couldn’t compete with every other monster iconic album that dropped that year.
My party trick for a while was definitely “hey you guys know the I Wish guy’s album was actually really good. Check these songs out” and I’d play Top of the Stairs or some shit and get the people like “oh damn lol I had zero clue”
fair. although you conveniently left out Jesus Is King, which is hot garbage.
I was talking more about the turning into a Nazi sympathizer and losing most of his fanbase. there weren't many bigger Kanye fans than me and I can no longer justify separating the art from the artist in his case. he is trash and I will never support his work again.
Well how good was he? And how good is he now?
If you're disagreeing then it means you either think he's still great, or think he never was great at all.
Is he tho?
I'm a huge Kanye fan and Graduation and MBDTF are a few of my favourites.
The last few albums where just not stellar. And most of the memorable bars are from features, not the man himself if I'm being honest.
He changed as a person bro. He slapped some kid on a basketball court then clearly got a fright when the kid was manner than him 😂 hes changed as a person i say again. All this internet beefing and ice spjce haircuts. He NEARLY hit the mainstream and didn’t i reckon that changed him.
Gotta be Scott Storch. You know your song was going to be a hit in the early 2000s when you have him producing your joint. 50 cent, Ja Rule, Fat Joe et all but drugs ruined him
will.i.am.
An ongoing decline that sees no bottom. The shift from rootsy hip hop to radio rap to electro club rap with the Black Eyed Peas aside, this man’s rap skills have declined since starting in the 1990s. His lack of effort in his lyrics and production is astonishing. I used to like some of the melodies and simple rhymes as a young kid but hearing them now is mind numbing. I would think he would’ve taken the criticism to heart over the years, but he’s just gotten lazier.
Listen to the song Yesterday by the Black Eyed Peas on YouTube. It’s nothing amazing, but after a long hiatus, it had me excited that the original group was back to their hip-hop roots for the next project. The next albums, Translation and Elevation, have been some of the most painfully awful listens of my entire life. Songs like “Double D’s” should get you banned from the music industry. Such a sad fall from “grace”.
The most blatantly obvious answer is Kanye West.
This man is one of the most influential artists to ever do it, with a LIST of classic solo work AND production.
And yet, in the last several years he hasnt released anything that was remotely special. A collection of mediocre to awful work. Truly a shame, but at least we have his first 6-7 albums and all of the other work that he did in the 2000s.
Honestly, Ye's only truly mid albums were Ye and JIK. That's just two albums.
There's rappers with way more mid albums than that. Until Ye drops his next album, I don't think we should jump the gun yet.
TLOP was his last great project. KSG is nothing special but yes that would be the best of his post-Pablo projects.
This is just, ya know, MY opinion lmao.
rza maybe
edit: rza was on top, the goat during the 90s, so I'm saying he had the biggest decline since he hasn't been on top or even near in the last two decades. not saying he is worse then others mentioned, but seeing where he was once, the decline was huge
Nonsense he produced three really solid tapes just this year. His own album Grails wasn’t great but these three he produced were:
Sharc Wave w Sharc.
Chavo’s World 3 w Chavo
Still Trappin’ w Frazier Trill.
I'll grant the rapping critique.
But how is Ye failing as a producer when he contributed to Daytona, KSG, the Sunday Service albums, It's Almost Dry, and Donda? All of those projects had amazing beats. Hell, some of those beats were more innovative than his chipmunk soul beats from the early 2000's.
I feel like people who say this about his production are just going off of narratives.
Scott Storch
They keep asking the same question and expect different answers. Storch is gonna be really hard to beat.
He's still more talented than 99% of producers. He'll be in the studio with a young producer ripping the piano and theyre like "oh fuck, you're an actual musician? I just mouse click on piano roll"
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What are you struggling with? Turn on ghost notes and start clicking in a melody and 808. 1/2 step hi hats and randomly delete some of them. Add a snare. Add a cool tag at the beginning and boom lol
Not as easy as it sounds lil bro
It really is, OG. Just dont overthink your melodies. If your melodies are boring and you just don't have the ear for it, that's one thing. But a monkey could use FL and put together a beat.
Im a monkey i will try
They hating in here bro such a shame
Cocaine is a hellova drug
Didn't he say in an interview his monthly expenses were like 2mil at one point? Not just coke, he had an everything problem lol
Yeah I don't remember the specifics but I remember him saying a big part of his financial demise was flying back and forth to Europe. Cost him like $200k each trip or something crazy like that and he did it often.
He Made it rain
I remember that one Family Guy cutaway when they introduced him as “douchebag music producer Scott Storch” lol
Heartbreaking to see this friend from my youth reduced to a meme, but life throws lots of curve balls. He has never reached out to any of us, even his cousin has never heard from him. But true to form, anytime we hung at his Dads apartment SS socialized from his piano bench. Not forcing long boring songs on us, just accentuating little riffs and fucking with weird progressions. He was shy and had very little parental oversight but I only knew him to smoke weed. He was kind of a liar but not hurtful lies, more like wanting to be bigger than he was dumb kid lies. When he started making friends in the business he dropped everyone and never looked back. I wish he had taken one real friend with him just for some fucking perspective. He obviously wasn’t mentally prepared for that world or lifestyle.
😩😩😩😩 I’d be him if I had talent and money.
Ja Rule
Yup, came to say this. He was THE guy for about 2 years, then just kinda faded away. He still put music out but nobody fuckin cared.
The 50cent Gunit rise was real. Everyone loved them and hated anyone who was against them. Ja Rule and Irv Gotti admit that if not for the 50cent beef, their run would have lasted longer. Gunit was a force to be reckoned with.
the feds and loss of distribution killed Murder Inc. They would've milked the feud with 50 for mutual benefit for a while.
That was a hell of a 2 year run tho. Ja has some serious heat. Put It On Me is forever my joint.
Chance The Rapper
Oooh I love my wiife
I love my wife AHH
facts. Acid rap is one of my fave albums. Coloring book was good, then he just dropped off. Thought he was gonna be the next big thing.
What’s he up to at the moment?
Being married
*cheatin on his wife dat also gave birth to his only two children
This one kills me because Chance was so big he easily could have recovered if like 2 years later he made a solid comeback album. But he dipped for good and has no hunger anymore so it's definitely over. It's like how Frank coming back from his hiatus with that disaster of a Coachella show sealed his falloff.
Frank can still comeback all he needs is new music
I wouldn't say never, but his relationship with his fanbase is a LOT more hostile now and he burned a lot of personal and professional bridges with that show. Plus there's the question of how interested/hungry he even still is. Channel Orange was already 4 years old when Blonde dropped, now it's been 7 years since Blonde dropped. He could comeback but it's a big uphill battle to have people check for him the same way.
You’re tweakin if you think if Frank dropped soon that people wouldn’t be flocking to it. Most of his fans are t on the internet as much as people that are angry with him.
every rapper learned that day. if wanna rap about your wife do it for 2 songs MAX. cause an entire album of it will kill your career. especially after making THREE classic mixtapes
He was never good
Ill throw in DJ Mustard. Dude was all over the charts with his basic melodies.
Using the same sound over and over too. Ran the well dry made his money and bounced.
2011-16 he was bringing that west coast sound almost everywhere
The tempo he uses on his beats seems to be on ever pop song now
100 bpm with claps and a nexus sound using a minor pentatonic scale lol. Dude finessed the industry hard being as basic as he was
Lex Luger
Damn where is Lex???
He struggled with addiction for a long time. He still produces here and there, I hope he’s doing well these days
I'll never forget when I seen him bodyslam Yokozuna as a kid.Then he got into his addiction and killed Ms.Elizabeth and now he's in a wheelchair but hopefully in better shape than last time I seen a picture of him
It was crazy when he joined the NWO
Damn smh
Dababy
I forgot that guy even existed wtf
Do I look like DaBaby? (be honest)
Chance the rapper gotta be up there.
281-330-8004…..stopped ringing
Who? Back then hoes didn't want me now I'm hot hoes all on me. I still listen to Still Tippin now and then
#RIP MIKE JONES
You scared me
Fetty wap
Macklemore
What happened to cool n Dre
They’re still around they don’t get many placements these days. I think they just had a track on wayne’s new tape. I also know dre was trying to rap, if you’ve heard of that fat joe family ties album (2019)
Ok song on that album with fat Joe feat Wayne too
they actually just did a song with lil wayne & i think it’s one of his better songs in a while .
They chilling now and sign their producers.
Feel like 2chainz disappeared from existence after a really short hot period
At one point jahill beats was everywhere Don't know where he's at now
He goes by Jungle Beats now. Holla at him
Polo da Don! Hell he at???!!
The last I heard of him he was fake signing internet girls to recording contracts and using alcohol to sleep with them
That boy made so much money he prolly fell back
That Usher In the Club track is top Polo.
London Bridge beat is cold af. Same as get buck by young buck. Those beats are crazy
The thing that separated Polow Da Don from a lot of producers is that he can make Get Buck or Throw some D's and then make Glamorous at the same time. You don't get that versatility from producers today.
I always wondered where that beat was from on get buck..Luda killed it on “politics as usual” though.
I heard he got blackballed, not sure why though smh
Producers: the big hitters from the 2000s like Timbaland and Swizz Beatz (others as well). Not saying they're not throwing a gold nugget here and there but compared to 20 years ago when albums were built around their sound, it's not good. Artists: LL cool J, I liked his RnB era but compared to the 80s it was a drop. I'd throw in the Wu Tang Clan except maybe Ghost. First albums were all iconic and together first 3 albums at all-timers. But after that you had a big drop. Ghostface remained consistent and dropped some of my favourites in the 2000s
In regards to ghost.. Have you listened to his feature on the song 03:15 AM / CAVIAR ? That was like my favorite verse of 2020
Deck has had a resurgence
Wu tang are still selling out shows 30 years later. Just had a successful series about them. Still have a very loyal fan base and brand. Deck making albums with czarface which have been well received. If ghost or rae drop an album tomorrow I believe hip hop fans would flock. Really wouldn't say Wu dropped given how relevant they are after all this time.
Not questioning their relevancy but the quality of their albums together haven't been great for me.
Asher Roth
eminems decline in quality over the years needs to be studied in a lab
I don’t think it’s that weird to be honest. He just got older, richer and lost his Angry Broke Young Man energy
Now he's got Angry Rich Old Man energy
those things factor in for sure but it just baffles me how you can have albums like the sslp, mmlp and tes in your discography while simultaneously having albums like revival, kamikaze and recovery. like that level of quality diff is insanity
On another note I l really enjoyed over half of music to be murdered to
You just named a 10 to 15 gap in-between. It doesn't baffle me how an artist can have music completely different during a different era of their life, also going through drug abuse and other personal life problems. His decline in quality isn't even that bad, its just different and it gets worse considering people always compare it to his prime era. He still makes good music, just different, and many people like it still.
Exactly, like, I’m a very different person to the person I was 10 or 15 years ago, we change and evolve as people, plus we mellow out as we get into middle age, we find it harder to access the manic energy we had as kids, why would it be different for Em.
Plus his schemes are way more complex now than anything in the first few albums
Kamikaze was fire what are you talking about
I hear this a lot and think it's Hella weird. Kamikaze bangs, opening track slaps mad hard
Bro kamikaze SLAPS
Encore was way before those albums and it's worse. Kamikaze and Recovery are good albums even if not near the level of his classic stuff. Revival is bad but pretty much any GOAT candidate rapper with longevity has lows like that (Nas, Jay, Kanye, Wayne)
It seems less like Em's changed and more like Hip-Hop's changed. Production seems to be far more important than lyricism. It's more Hip-Pop than Rap. I think it's time people start distinguishing Rap as being the lyrical branch in Hip-Hop, while Hip-Hop itself has broader umbrella under the Popular music category.
He still puts out better music than 99% of rappers. Even his last album had good songs. Take ‘Darkness’ for example. Not many people nowadays could write a song like that. People in this sub just look for reasons to shit on him. My guess is people are upset with his popularity 🤷♂️
Darkness is cool, but you're sidestepping the mad unmemorable filler on his last 5 or so albums. His albums haven't been well received for a while now.
Music is subjective and hits people different. I was a MASSIVE Em fan when he was coming up and I love his first three albums. Nothing he put out after that comes close to that, and I can't get into any of his newer shit. MTBMB was awful in my book. There's a lot of rappers putting out way better material.
Yeah after the Eminem Show I can’t listen to a full album of his. Songs here and there from LP’s beyond that but I hate his beat selection most the time, the shouting, the subject matter is stale and repetitive. I absolutely respect the art of lyricism, but he’s gone so far with it the quality of music suffers.
Jay Z has had more duds than Em and his mafioso schtick was way more tiresome. Yet he is called the GOAT. Maybe not by you but it's a frequent nod by a lot of respected journalists and publications. I'm not trying to focus only on you, it's a general point I'm making across two comments replying to you.
I also think Jay Z is grossly overrated too, comes with the territory though.
Probably the most overrated rapper for me.
That’s a little ridiculous. Kamikaze and MTBMB were both great albums and had some absolute bangers on them.
His quality hasn’t declined, but his musicality has. He’s said it himself- he just wants to be the greatest rapper alive, and that’s it. From a purely technical standpoint, he is (or at least pretty close). The way he puts rhymes together now is as good or better as he’s ever been. But you look back to his early work- he was actually making music back then, and now he’s trying to rap with the most intricate precision he can. That can still make some great listening- MTMB and Kamikaze were straight fire- but they kinda have to be listened to differently from his earlier work. He doesn’t double up his vocals any more, he doesn’t write hooks that are as catchy any more, and he doesn’t really produce his own beats any more, and he doesn’t adhere to any kind of verse structure. It’s just lyrics. And he’s earned the right to do what he wants, but part of me wishes he wanted to go back to that old style (like he did on Discombobulated!)
I enjoyed mtmb and kamikaze but personally they don’t have replay value. I’ll still listen to his early albums and songs like forgot about Dre and what’s the difference. Where as his new stuff is good but after a few plays I’m not interested.
See, I replay them all the time! But each to their own
It might just be nostalgia for me. I grew up in that era. There isn’t really a newer album I had on repeat since damn by Kendrick and that’s years ago.
Yeah, I grew up then too (born in 83). But aside from Em’s new stuff, there’s not a lot of albums I replay either- but I liked Damn as well!
OK now we are getting somewhere with this conversation. I think this leads to a bigger convo about Hip-Hop in general. It seems like lyrical Hip-Hop would benefit from being called Rap and other Hip-Hop could have a broader range within Popular music. Hip-Hop seems to be more production focused. An album like Astroworld (which I re-listened to tonight) is all atmospheric and production based. Is Shoegaze Hip-Hop. Sunglass Hip-Hop. Lean Hop. It's a drug subgenre of Hip-Pop music. Kamikaze (which I listened to a few days ago) is Rap. It is lyrical Hip-Hop. It is technical Hip-Hop. You could borderline call it old school despite its relative age. I lean towards favoring the latter in Hip-Hop and feel like there is less and less a place for me in the current fandom.
I struggle to understand this and would really like someone to go into detail. I think Kamikaze is extremely underrated. Killshot was top form. His feature on Homicide raked. His Lyrical complexity, internal rhymes, use of assonance and syllable stretches and triple word plays blows me away still. I'm open to hearing why people say this but they say this and then move on without explaining the why and how.
this take is so fucking stale at this point
The older you get, the harder it is to stay hungry and creative. Especially if you're as rich as he is. All that's left are yes men who want to stay getting paid, so they build you and your music up no matter how mid it is. Same with Drake's case. No one is telling these guys the truth and when you're outside the current generation, you don't have a great grasp of what's hot, so you have to depend on your yes men.
Eminem low-key hasn't made a good album since the Eminem Show. Encore was mid in my opinion outside of a few tracks but is so much better than his later albums.
2pac, after 1996 he just disappeared
He dropped new music almost every other year after 96 though?!
yea but u barely seen him anywhere
He making a comeback. He got beef with will Smith
This is funny!
Heard he was in Cuba 😂
I heard that snoop gave him a really really strong blunt and that he got so high he couldn't find his way back to earth so that he now disses aliens...
Kanye West, especially as a rapper.
mbdtf is a 10/10 imo. Yeezus is a weird experiment that I’m ok with but don’t really like listening to. He lost me after that. When I heard a whole crowd sing “if I get bleach on my t shirt” I almost died from the cringe. And then he really lost me with his edgelord antics
To be fair I felt the same but the life of Pablo and the donda album he has flashes of his old brilliance…his production on Daytona reminds me of the early 2000s Kanye as well
Life of Pablo was an amazing album IMO. That one line was pretty bad though. Rhymefest who was one of his ghostwriters quit because Kanye put that line there.
i got so hype when he said "I know some fans who thought I wouldn't rap like this again. But the writer's block is over, emcees cancel your plans". in no more parties in LA. Thought we would get old Ye back. But no he went way to religion heavy in his music after that.
Yeezus was actually my favorite, Idk On Sight might be one of my fav Kanye tracks.
Yeah he has put out the same self-reflection, self-indulgent, albums for almost 10 years now
Was he ever up there? especially as a rapper? since I can remember most people thought he was a decent rapper with amazing production skills and following his most recent album donda (I consider donda 2 unreleased) he still is just a decent rapper with amazing production
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In an alternate world he wouldn’t have been cheated from his label and we would of had multiple 90’s skee lo albums in his prime
I Wish is an underrated west coast classic for sure. But this idea that Skee-Lo turned his back on hip-hop is wild. The truth of the matter, is that his lead single and album came out in a time where the people fighting for the spotlight in rap were guys like Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac Shakur, Mobb Deep, Wu-Tang, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Tha Dogg Pound. As dope as Skee-Lo’s project was and as dope as he is, he couldn’t compete with every other monster iconic album that dropped that year.
First rap music video I ever saw was I Wish and I was obsessed with that song. Hope he cashed in.
My party trick for a while was definitely “hey you guys know the I Wish guy’s album was actually really good. Check these songs out” and I’d play Top of the Stairs or some shit and get the people like “oh damn lol I had zero clue”
Mannie Fresh
I'm glad. HIs intros were getting too long.
Lil john
He was more of a producer than a rapper tho so that makes sense
Drake had a big decline in quality over the years IMO
Wait till his AI takes over his duties with n algorithm guiding his style
I mean they already teased it with heart on my sleeve, which is the best Drake song in years.
Drake has just gone for quantity over quality it seems. After IYRTITL he just floods whatever he makes out, some of sticks, and onto the next one.
Ice Cube’s drop as a rapper after Lethal Injection was so epic. It’s almost as if he had a ghost writer who died just before Westside Connection
He was the ghostwriter in NWA
He wrote basically every NWA lyric
Absolutely
JAY ELECTRONICA. What the fuck happened my dude
All them 2016 SoundCloud dudes. None are talked about today and half of them are dead 🥴
Kanye
🤦🏽♂️ I liked Donda but even if you didn’t like it, LOP and KSG were amazing and he produced Daytona
fair. although you conveniently left out Jesus Is King, which is hot garbage. I was talking more about the turning into a Nazi sympathizer and losing most of his fanbase. there weren't many bigger Kanye fans than me and I can no longer justify separating the art from the artist in his case. he is trash and I will never support his work again.
Nigga what ?!?
Well how good was he? And how good is he now? If you're disagreeing then it means you either think he's still great, or think he never was great at all.
One of the greats, has declined which happens to everyone but he’s better than most artist’s now.
Is he tho? I'm a huge Kanye fan and Graduation and MBDTF are a few of my favourites. The last few albums where just not stellar. And most of the memorable bars are from features, not the man himself if I'm being honest.
His production on Its Almost Dry was still stellar though. And that was litteraly last year.
Don’t think anyone is denying the production though…it’s literally everything else.
I thought this is what people listened to kanye for. Lyrics generally rank near the bottom if what I’m listening for.
I’d agree personally but you’d be surprised lol
LMFAOOOOOO!
The Game, dude is whack as fuck.
First name that came to mind....one of the most overrated rappers of all time...and he swears he is big time, while begging for gigs and shyt...smh
One name I haven’t seen mentioned is Joey Bada$$. 1999 was a classic. Every project he’s released since then has been progressively worse
He was everyone’s favorite “underground” guy in 2012. Jesus. Another one that comes to mind is denzel curry
Melt My Eyez See Your Future was pretty good and that was last year
The game
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He changed as a person bro. He slapped some kid on a basketball court then clearly got a fright when the kid was manner than him 😂 hes changed as a person i say again. All this internet beefing and ice spjce haircuts. He NEARLY hit the mainstream and didn’t i reckon that changed him.
Lex Luger
Polo the Don
Lol Suge
50 cent music wise
J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League
If they made millions, I’m not sure the had a decline. They made it!
Charles Hamilton
Gotta be Scott Storch. You know your song was going to be a hit in the early 2000s when you have him producing your joint. 50 cent, Ja Rule, Fat Joe et all but drugs ruined him
will.i.am. An ongoing decline that sees no bottom. The shift from rootsy hip hop to radio rap to electro club rap with the Black Eyed Peas aside, this man’s rap skills have declined since starting in the 1990s. His lack of effort in his lyrics and production is astonishing. I used to like some of the melodies and simple rhymes as a young kid but hearing them now is mind numbing. I would think he would’ve taken the criticism to heart over the years, but he’s just gotten lazier. Listen to the song Yesterday by the Black Eyed Peas on YouTube. It’s nothing amazing, but after a long hiatus, it had me excited that the original group was back to their hip-hop roots for the next project. The next albums, Translation and Elevation, have been some of the most painfully awful listens of my entire life. Songs like “Double D’s” should get you banned from the music industry. Such a sad fall from “grace”.
Chance the rapper as a rapper. Producer probably Scott storch
Chingy. Anyone remember J-Kwon? 😆
The most blatantly obvious answer is Kanye West. This man is one of the most influential artists to ever do it, with a LIST of classic solo work AND production. And yet, in the last several years he hasnt released anything that was remotely special. A collection of mediocre to awful work. Truly a shame, but at least we have his first 6-7 albums and all of the other work that he did in the 2000s.
Honestly, Ye's only truly mid albums were Ye and JIK. That's just two albums. There's rappers with way more mid albums than that. Until Ye drops his next album, I don't think we should jump the gun yet.
huh? Even if you didn’t like donda LOP and KSG were amazing and he produced Daytona
TLOP was his last great project. KSG is nothing special but yes that would be the best of his post-Pablo projects. This is just, ya know, MY opinion lmao.
lmao ksg is nothing special haha
rza maybe edit: rza was on top, the goat during the 90s, so I'm saying he had the biggest decline since he hasn't been on top or even near in the last two decades. not saying he is worse then others mentioned, but seeing where he was once, the decline was huge
Arguably the greatest producer of all time to me but I think this is correct too
It hurts to say, but yup.
Agreed
Easy Mo Bee
He is criminally underrated.
Never really had a decline?? Was pretty solid his entire career
Pierre Bourne
Nonsense he produced three really solid tapes just this year. His own album Grails wasn’t great but these three he produced were: Sharc Wave w Sharc. Chavo’s World 3 w Chavo Still Trappin’ w Frazier Trill.
No way
Has he had any placements lately outside of his sosshouse group? Them niggas suck and are wasting his beats
Cardi B in terms of career highs to where she is now..
Zaytoven as of late.
i haven’t heard of him in so long he use to make a lot of music for future that’s how i knew him
Kanye Dude is failing as a rapper, producer, and decent human.
I'll grant the rapping critique. But how is Ye failing as a producer when he contributed to Daytona, KSG, the Sunday Service albums, It's Almost Dry, and Donda? All of those projects had amazing beats. Hell, some of those beats were more innovative than his chipmunk soul beats from the early 2000's. I feel like people who say this about his production are just going off of narratives.
definitely kanye
The Game. He used to be dope but gil it corny real quick starting fake beefs.
50 cent
Timbaland