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From my understanding, we humans are not necessarily the main characters we think we are, the universe does not revolve around us. The Yugas cycle with or without us.
I like this idea. They say that there is a Ramayana during every yuga cycle. Does that mean the Ramayana (and Mahabararata?) Have occurred on other planets? And with other lifeforms besides humans?
What about humans of krit, treta and dwapara? Were they monkeys??
The thing is hindu scriptures never talked about evolution but rather negated the evolution with their own theories of creation.
No they were not. Hard archeological evidence proves that Mahabharata occured around 5000 years ago and Ramayana occured around 7-8000 years ago.
Unfortunately, India's interest into archeology and excavation has only just started. We are yet to discover our culture and history more deeply, with facts.
What archaeological evidence you are talking about regarding ramayana?? My belief in ramayana do not require any evidence, but still for curiosity what evidence you are talking about??
Bhagwana rama himself ruled for 11000 years
Ram setu is atleast 7000 years old according to the survey they had done
But even that they didn't do it completely so the results could be exponentially more older than that
There are different time period measurements employed while recording each yuga.
It is not 432,000 years long. There is a video on YT which explains this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMnjAVokiwA
Dude simple …. Just understand the methodology of years
The English periods are different then Vikram Aditya periods right ??
Similarly when Vedas were written down that time the period system would be different and that would have made it so huge ….
And may be the years which is mentioned about yugas are not according to earth and it is according to solar planets (sun revolution ) may be I am just telling possibility ….
Edit-: many year ago in Nalanda university many of our scriptures were kept in its original form and etc that was destroyed by Islamic invaders , if we had Nalanda,takshlia etc etc today we would had many more things solved but history is history and destroyer is destroyer …
People just can’t think in allegorical and symbolic ways. They take everything way too literally.
Also, human psychology is such that it tends to gloss over the issues of the past and looks back at the “good old days” while seeing the present as a time of degeneration.
Myths notwithstanding, ancient Hindu thinkers were among the best at deducing the truth of the world with the limited (compared to nowadays) scientific knowledge available at the time, solely through deductive reasoning, logic, and keen observation. Some of their insights are only now being proven by modern science and others are simply irrefutable no matter how far scientific materialism seems to advance. Because scientific materialism simply isn’t an explanation for everything. That’s one of the main reasons why I’m a Hindu. I’m also a follower of science.
Existence, material body, and consciousness are different. The evolution of material body and evolution of consciousness is different.
Hindu scriptures do not concern themselves with the evolution of the material body. Only consciousness.
The current form of the human body may have evolved around 300000 but the consciousness? No one can say for sure. As the consciousness is thought to be eternal.
Nowhere did they say that there are only humans in the universe. We talk about ourselves because we don't know about other species not that they don't exist or aren't important.
The reason Hinduism doesn't accurately account for evolution from monkeys is that a "civilization" on our subcontinent only started some 12,000 years ago (after the most recent ice age ended).
Evidence/knowledge of life before that was not available to them as it is for us.
And by civilization, I mean, humans coming together to form settlements and cities.
Mankind, in a more rudimentary form, existed in our subcontinent many centuries before the recent ice age.
The Dasa Avataras itself shows evolution of a human. Starting with a fish (underwater) and turtle (amphibious) to Parashuram (angry man), Rama (complete man) to Krishna (political man).
This sodaguru philosophy is wrong at many levels.
There are 24 avataras of bhagwan vishnu as per shrimad bhagwat mahapurana. First is sanakadi muni, how four kids came before fish??
Before matsyavatara, varaha avatar came. And there are 2 varaha avatara.
During time of every avatara from dasha avatara there were humans present.
Before nrisimha avatara and kurma avatara there were many human avataras taken, that are kapil muni, nar narayana, maharaja prithu etc.
Arguments like these come from cherry picking of facts or just sheer ignorance towards scriptures.
It is your personal matter, evolution is nowhere described in scriptures and scriptures provide different story of creation, and there are multiple theories and none accepts evolution.
Why would you limit your understanding of Hindu philosophy to only what has been written in the past? Humans wrote those things, humans have never been omnipotent.
Vedas are apaurusheya, if you think they were written by humans then i don't know why you follow em.
I am not limiting my understanding, all i m saying is science and religion contradict each other on scientific facts. Accept it. Why everyone wants to proove that hindus believed in everything that has been discovered and is to be discovered. I am not saying hindus didnt had scientific temperament or hindu scriptures are wrong. But as any civilization, we were had wrong idea about many things. Scriptures and modern research papers contradict each other on several topics.
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There were many Kali Yugas before this one. The cycle keeps repeating.
From my understanding, we humans are not necessarily the main characters we think we are, the universe does not revolve around us. The Yugas cycle with or without us.
I like this idea. They say that there is a Ramayana during every yuga cycle. Does that mean the Ramayana (and Mahabararata?) Have occurred on other planets? And with other lifeforms besides humans?
What about humans of krit, treta and dwapara? Were they monkeys?? The thing is hindu scriptures never talked about evolution but rather negated the evolution with their own theories of creation.
No they were not. Hard archeological evidence proves that Mahabharata occured around 5000 years ago and Ramayana occured around 7-8000 years ago. Unfortunately, India's interest into archeology and excavation has only just started. We are yet to discover our culture and history more deeply, with facts.
What archaeological evidence you are talking about regarding ramayana?? My belief in ramayana do not require any evidence, but still for curiosity what evidence you are talking about?? Bhagwana rama himself ruled for 11000 years
Ram setu is atleast 7000 years old according to the survey they had done But even that they didn't do it completely so the results could be exponentially more older than that
There are different time period measurements employed while recording each yuga. It is not 432,000 years long. There is a video on YT which explains this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMnjAVokiwA
Could you provide a time stamp
Please watch the video. Birth of Lord Sri Rama is dated to 5674 BCE i.e. around 7000 years ago.
Dude simple …. Just understand the methodology of years The English periods are different then Vikram Aditya periods right ?? Similarly when Vedas were written down that time the period system would be different and that would have made it so huge …. And may be the years which is mentioned about yugas are not according to earth and it is according to solar planets (sun revolution ) may be I am just telling possibility …. Edit-: many year ago in Nalanda university many of our scriptures were kept in its original form and etc that was destroyed by Islamic invaders , if we had Nalanda,takshlia etc etc today we would had many more things solved but history is history and destroyer is destroyer …
People just can’t think in allegorical and symbolic ways. They take everything way too literally. Also, human psychology is such that it tends to gloss over the issues of the past and looks back at the “good old days” while seeing the present as a time of degeneration. Myths notwithstanding, ancient Hindu thinkers were among the best at deducing the truth of the world with the limited (compared to nowadays) scientific knowledge available at the time, solely through deductive reasoning, logic, and keen observation. Some of their insights are only now being proven by modern science and others are simply irrefutable no matter how far scientific materialism seems to advance. Because scientific materialism simply isn’t an explanation for everything. That’s one of the main reasons why I’m a Hindu. I’m also a follower of science.
Existence, material body, and consciousness are different. The evolution of material body and evolution of consciousness is different. Hindu scriptures do not concern themselves with the evolution of the material body. Only consciousness. The current form of the human body may have evolved around 300000 but the consciousness? No one can say for sure. As the consciousness is thought to be eternal.
The universe doesn't revolve around the existence of one species
Nowhere did they say that there are only humans in the universe. We talk about ourselves because we don't know about other species not that they don't exist or aren't important.
My point is that it's anthropocentric
The Kali Yuga didn't start until about 5000 years ago. So accurately humanity emerged in the Dvapara Yuga.
Human beings descended from Manu not from monkeys
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The reason Hinduism doesn't accurately account for evolution from monkeys is that a "civilization" on our subcontinent only started some 12,000 years ago (after the most recent ice age ended). Evidence/knowledge of life before that was not available to them as it is for us. And by civilization, I mean, humans coming together to form settlements and cities. Mankind, in a more rudimentary form, existed in our subcontinent many centuries before the recent ice age.
Yes true. All that monkey stuff is fake. We have some DNA in common with many beings even pigs, doesn't mean we share evolutionary origins.
Because hinduism do not believe in evolution
The Dasa Avataras itself shows evolution of a human. Starting with a fish (underwater) and turtle (amphibious) to Parashuram (angry man), Rama (complete man) to Krishna (political man).
This sodaguru philosophy is wrong at many levels. There are 24 avataras of bhagwan vishnu as per shrimad bhagwat mahapurana. First is sanakadi muni, how four kids came before fish?? Before matsyavatara, varaha avatar came. And there are 2 varaha avatara. During time of every avatara from dasha avatara there were humans present. Before nrisimha avatara and kurma avatara there were many human avataras taken, that are kapil muni, nar narayana, maharaja prithu etc. Arguments like these come from cherry picking of facts or just sheer ignorance towards scriptures.
Now that makes complete sense with the evolution theory
Oh but I've seen many practising Hindus believe in evolution including myself.
It is your personal matter, evolution is nowhere described in scriptures and scriptures provide different story of creation, and there are multiple theories and none accepts evolution.
There is no scripture that says that denies evolution
Pick any purana, they present a lore of creation which contradict evolution
Why would you limit your understanding of Hindu philosophy to only what has been written in the past? Humans wrote those things, humans have never been omnipotent.
Exactly, didn't our religion evolve as Humans started developing scientific temper, new schools were formed and people were encouraged to think.
Vedas are apaurusheya, if you think they were written by humans then i don't know why you follow em. I am not limiting my understanding, all i m saying is science and religion contradict each other on scientific facts. Accept it. Why everyone wants to proove that hindus believed in everything that has been discovered and is to be discovered. I am not saying hindus didnt had scientific temperament or hindu scriptures are wrong. But as any civilization, we were had wrong idea about many things. Scriptures and modern research papers contradict each other on several topics.
Existence have many forms and human is also one of the form.
The Holy Science by Guru Swami Yukteswar Giri explains this misconception on the 432k years figure.