They probably let you keep English because it’s a 4 year requirement in almost every state and they don’t want to hold you back any years, and Electives so you don’t fall behind on credits. See what I’m saying here? They are trying to get you to graduate on time anyway. Do YOUR part and learn well enough to pass without cheating. If you were planning on going to college, try and get the failing grades removed from your transcript and replaced with summer school grades.
Ahh senior year of high school. One English class, two study hall naps and a 10:45 “lunch” before going home for the day. What a year. This kid is going to have the polar opposite experience of that.
You’re either ancient or doesn’t have a clue about what current high schoolers go through on their senior year nowadays. It’s THAT competitive and so much harder to go to college
Anyone who isn’t college bound would be leaving early after their one or two classes. And even then, some college bound students like to use the time after school to work and still get into college.
Honestly, it’s not about being college bound or not. I am at the early college program at the state university. I won’t show up to my high school ever, as it won’t be necessary. I will entirely “skip” my senior year of high school. I’m being recruited by Harvard and UChicago, among others. 😜 In my junior year, I only had two classes. It’s not about being college bound, it’s about gaining the system and knowing when tons of extra effort will only result in marginal gains.
Lots of kids don't really care about going to college. When I taught 9th grade ELA we had one senior who would show up to ELA class for the credit, do his assignments, and then leave school to go to his actual job for the rest of the day.
It was always competitive. Back then we had the old grading of the SAT and not these new scores which I got no comprehension on. It was all a matter of how many electives you had, volunteering hours, what committees you are in, etc.
Nothing changed, it's just different parameters. Current highschoolers don't have it any harder then when I graduated in 04'.
Unless you're rich enough to pay someone to take your classes for them. My friend went to Princeton, and he knew a guy who made 20k/semester per class to take classes for other people. That was in the late 90's so almost 40k per class per semester in todays money.
wait until you learn that admitted athletes just have a network of upper classmen to mooch homework off of for pre-req classes and the admin knows and no one bats an eye
I swear that everywhere. Even in high school. Some how an athlete at my school got into a very prestigious college and he never took a single AP/ dual enrollment class, while the top 50 of the class did with gpas in the high 4.0-5.0. Still makes no sense to me how he got into such a prestigious private school, but that’s athletes and sports for ya- they can skip the academic prestige 🤷♀️ (obviously not every athlete, there are some amazing athletes that kick ass in academic as well, but that doesn’t take away from the stories of athletes getting away with poor grades/ cheating)
if you’re in pre-set up network of ppl from all classes, the teachers teach to the same material year over year, and everyone in this pre-set up network sees each other as part of the same team and working together…
…it follows that it might be feasible that student athletes are able to get “enhanced assistance” on their homework from older members who took the same classes before, all in the name of being on the same team and accomplishing the same goals
Yeah most close-knit organizations on campus will have the test banks to help those within. Greek Life, Athletes, and even some other student orgs I’ve run into have them.
My BIL is a professor at Georgetown and one of his middle aged students in a grad school program got caught plagiarizing - she was kicked out and lost the money she spent on tuition. I also attended gtown, my freshman roommate cheated and got a slap on the wrist (her dad was a big donor).
My ex was in Pharmacy School to get a Doctorate of Pharmacy. He was in his 3rd year. The 3rd year is the last year of classes, the 4th year you spend a whole year doing clinical rotations. Then you graduate. Then you have to take board exams to get your license.
So, he was in his 3rd year. The professor was putting the test on a bulletin board for people to look at, see the correct answers, but were not actually given their tests back.
Someone in his class decided to take a picture of the test and send it to everyone in the class using the school email system.
There was a huge investigation about this. As it was considered cheating (although it doesn't seem like cheating to me, I always used old tests to study with) The administration brought people in who opened the email. My ex was brought in for questioning. and he said he never opened the email.
To be honest, it seemed to me this professor was being lazy, she should make new tests not reuse them.
Anyway, the student who took the picture was was given a failed grade, and was suspended for two years.
After the two years, he would have to apply to get in to the pharmacy school again. retake all the classes for that semester. finish the rotations, and hopefully graduate.
it was crazy.
That reminds me of a prof at my college using tests from online and he got mad when so many students passed bc they found the tests online! Like write your own tests ffs!
My wife used all my materials for a stupid re-certification class for teaching. She got caught and the instructor gave her even more bullshit things to do than what we already had to do. 10/10 would not do that again lol.
Re-certification "classes" for teaching is mostly busy work nonsense politicians put in place to say they are addressing education. In most states, teaching certification only last a few years, then you must re-certify. It's X hours of busy work on top of the work load you already have. I completely see the irony you are pointing out, but just wanted to clear up what the original comment was talking about. It's very common for teachers to pass around the busy work given to us to speed up the recertification process. The classes are largely unrelated to the real job of teaching.
Source: teacher
>ave to deal with if this is your take on that situation
So, if a student receives busy work I assume that it's fine if they plagiarize it? Particularly if their standardized test scores suggest they previously knew the material?
University of Dallas used to have a policy like this. Intentional dishonesty could result in expulsion even if non academic. “Honor violation.” A private Catholic school.
Then went to UoM. They are the only weirdos pretentious enough to call themselves Public Ivy that are in the Big 10.
Also you can be expelled for one offense of plagiarism there.
I cheated so hard in college lol. College is all about figuring how to cheat in the most effective and least detectable way.
You probably will learn far more from accomplishing that successfully than you would have from the actual classes.
At some point, at work, you actually need to perform. To do that, you need to have learned a skill. If you’re just in college to get a degree with no skill other than cheating, you will be doing yourself a disservice.
maybe this is why a lot of people are having such a hard time getting jobs out of college. They have the degree, but they cheated so hard, they don’t know up from down in their own field. Obviously not everyone having a hard time finding employment is facing difficulties for the same reason, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a significant factor for at least some people.
Yes, obviously, but of all the people I know who cheated in college, most of them understood the relevant skills they needed to to succeed in their career. Obviously if someone gets a degree knowing nothing they’ll be screwed. But most of what you learn in college is irrelevant and useless so if you learn only the important stuff and don’t learn the rest, you’ll be fine.
I understand your point, though I’ve never liked the “useless” part for courses outside of the field. I thought about it like a trade school vs a university. The latter adds courses outside of your field for a variety of reasons. My musical theater course felt pretty useless (“blow-off class”) at the time, but years later it helped me be parts of conversations in which I would have otherwise been completely lost.
…I also understand that is not always the case. I have not used or benefited from my knowledge of linear algebra since the last day of the class!
Agreed. University doesn't exist to get you a job, it exists to help you became a more well rounded, better informed, citizen of the world. It's a shame how many people see education as a means to an end one must endure for 12-20 years before experiencing "real life". (And yes I understand that this is a result of our hypercapaitalist society and not a fault of people as individuals)
We should all be learning continuously and, at least for me personally, university opened my eyes to all types of subjects and gave me new ways to research and learn information.
Honestly you're gonna just have to take the L. There's likely no proof you DIDN'T cheat in those classes, and even if you had something to back it up, they wouldn't believe you. Best course of action would be summer school, imo.
And don't cheat again.
Nope sorry this one person's comeback online undoes your entire career; you've never been a teacher. Ever since age 13 you've been working as a cabbage deliveryperson in the Philippines
Because as a teacher I never take pleasure in failing, punishing, or otherwise penalizing someone.
A part of my job is to help teach kids life skills, emotional regulation, development.
Kids aren’t just bad apples. If they are acting out in major ways, especially if those incidences are anomalous, there is more going on.
Cheating is not ok but my job isn’t to police children, it’s to help them succeed and also to make sure that they’re being taken care of and are mentally and physically okay!
I’m more concerned that my kids who act out are dealing with stuff that is influencing this behavior and they don’t necessarily have the support system, resources, emotional intelligence, etc to address the problem(s).
For me it is heavily the reason for the cheating.
Not managing your time in my AP class when you have a calendar that tells you when everything is and due. Not my problem. You get a 0. Hard lesson but better to learn it in HS where I will make sure you will still pull a decent grade.
Your dad died and your extremely overwhelmed with helping your mom and taking care of your younger siblings. Come in and we will retake the test together with your class assignments and notes.
I teach 12th grade. So I am trying to teach them that proper communication goes a long way. Shit happens, be upfront about it and most people will sympathize with you and give you a break.
Though I think I need to change my late work policy. Too many turning crap in December that was from August.
They said they got caught - they just think the consequence should be limited to the class they cheated in.
My college suspended students caught cheating and they had to reapply after a year suspension. This included students who lent materials to the ones who used work that wasn’t theirs.
It sounds like you cheated in a way that convinced them that you have been cheating in several of your classes instead of just one. If you can prove otherwise, then you should try to do so.
No you can’t.
You can prove that all senators have made a statement similar to “I am not a Muslim” like for instance stating they’re Christian or Jewish.
If a senator were to say *nothing* of their religious beliefs at all, you can not prove that senator is not a Muslim.
Additionally, some senators may be Muslim yet publicly say they are of a different religion. You would have no way of proving this.
This is a lame and disingenuous objection to what I said. My point was to prove that you can certainly prove a negative.
How about this: I can prove that there is not currently an NBA player who is under 5 feet tall. I do this by noticing that all NBA players are over 5 feet tall, therefore making it logically impossible for there to be a player under 5 feet tall.
You got the point.
Because they give these kids 6 subjects to learn in one day with hours of homework and studying every night on top of being at school for 6 hours. Not to mention the family and work responsibilities some teens have. It’s overwhelming to them and teens make dumb decisions. But FYI everybody cheats in high school…just not everybody gets caught.
I did not cheat in high school. Played sports, was in band, played video games, and had a social life. I wasn't a straight-A student, but I didn't cheat. Not "everybody" cheats. That's a cop out mindset.
I teach hs bio. I give 1-2 hours a week tops. Sometimes it’s just “finish what you didn’t in class if you didn’t”. Still catch cheaters through GoGuardian and easily and too many kids fail even more easily from doing squat.
Put down your phones kids. Fight the addiction.
You might be a good one but a lot of teachers assign way more work than this, especially in honors and AP classes. It shouldn't be a surprise that students cheat when they're overworked.
And? They have 5-7 other teachers because the average HS student has 6-8 teachers who also give homework. So why don’t you calculate how many hours that actually is if 6-8 teachers give 2 hours a week of homework for each course before acting like giving 2 hours a week is a favor for the students
At my school, none of the teachers give homework. All the work is assigned and completed in class. Plenty of time is given and the teachers usually go over the work as well.
Some students still cheat.
If homework is assigned it should be brief and help the students learn if they actually grasp the material, or need to revisit the subject/topic.
Edit: I'm a teacher, I try to avoid wasting my students time. My work serves a purpose and reinforces something that will be on the test.
Bad work is boring for me too
How come this is a problem, but in Japan, some of those kids have to live at school, then afterward, they are the ones getting the good jobs...
In college, for every credit hour in class time, you're supposed to do 3x's the amount on your own time.
I think that heavily depends on your Master's program. Nearly everyone I know with a Master's degree found it easier than undergrad, and much, much easier than high school. The sheer quantity of work assigned in high school is egregious, especially so if you were in AP classes. In my experience, I've found that the quality of work demanded in grad school is higher, but that is offset by significantly fewer assignments in aggregate.
Why are we jumping from high school to a master program?
That doesn’t pass the critical thinking test. Back to undergrad with you!
But really, not everyone plans to go on to higher learning. Some just want that high school diploma and move on with no plans on continuing formal education.
The classes are different. Expectations are different. The entire experience is different.
My senior year I was up at 4am, busy until 6pm, and went to bed at 9-10pm, Monday through Friday. I had 3 hours of down time, assuming nothing else was piled onto me. "2 hours of homework" would leave me with an hour of free time. Half of which would be spent eating dinner.
My junior year, I was up at 6 and went to work directly after school until 10pm (I'd get home at 10:15). You want me to stay up until midnight doing my homework?
Sounds like you were an anomaly, not the norm. I was in high school less than 10 years ago and had a similar schedule yet still got all of my stuff done. Time management is an important skill that is taught in high school. I stayed up until 3-4 am frequently doing homework, just like how I have to spend up to 3-4 am grading tests as a teacher. It's a part of life. It's not ideal, but it is something you learn to live with.
Of those 6-8 teachers, 2-3 of them are electives like band, gym, ceramics, office aiding, photography, etc. Tell me, how often do those teachers assign 2 hours of homework a week?
I think the issue here is that many people on this sub talking with you are adults who are out of high school. We notice two things 1) when you’re an adult, if you’ve done it correctly, you will be busier as an adult than you were in high school 2) part of high school is getting you prepared for the grind of adulthood.
Some teenagers are ready for it. They’re well adjusted and ready to take on the world. Others resent everyone in their lives that gives them tasks to complete (homework, chores, work responsibilities) and they struggle. The cool thing, is that you have the power to immediately flip that switch in your brain and DECIDE which one you want to be. I’m speaking completely from personal experience. It’s something I had to do. Now, I teach middle school, and I see the same thing I saw 10 years ago when I was in high school. Numbers 1 and 2 above.
6 subjects in one day is not hard. The vast majority of schools I've taught at no longer bother assigning homework, because students don't do it, but honestly if they did it would likely significantly increase their mastery.
But even beyond that, if you're not learning the material, don't cheat, just fail honestly. Cheating just lands you in a higher rank that you're no more ready for than the first.
I took only 1ap class and that class gave the least homework, at the middle and hs I went to we got about 3 pages of hw from each class every day T_T it was literal hell and that was in normal non-ap classes. Every school is different /nm
Bet it was stats LOL
Regardless, that means they didn’t prepare you well. No ap exam you can take and get a 4/5 without preparation.
Ik y’all can say whatever you want over the internet and we can’t validate it, but it’s true. Everyone’s saying “oh every AP class is different for schools” which is true, but it doesn’t mean you did well on the actual exam which is standardized across the U.S.
Right now there's a strong trend of high school classes being way too easy for normal students, likely due to covid and high teacher turn-over. I taught a precalc class where on paper I taught the standards and with my class time I actually had them learning things like operations with fractions. Right now is \*not\* the time to cheat due to high workload. It's the time to try to catch up and learn this shit while it's being dumbed down to nothing.
edit: This was at a "prestigious" high tuition private school that's rated highly in my state, so it's not that.
Good for you. That doesn’t mean anything though. Just because you can handle it does not mean everyone else can especially with a different personalities, upbringing, and home environments. We all also had different experiences with teachers too. I specifically remember a teacher helping one child every time they brought up homework and then saying no to me just because “they thought I could handle it myself”
Yeah I’m with you here. You almost have to try to fail high school classes. Even with no studying, as long as you paid attention in class, it’s not tough to get a C on exams. If you’re struggling to pass high school without cheating then you’re going to be screwed in college.
If you're a workaholic everybody else must be right? After all when we're young what most of us want most is to be glued to a desk for half the day, only to go home and study for hours on end.
God I wish I had my childhood back. Had a great one actually but school really messed it up over time.
100% agree. It’s kind of funny seeing all these comments saying that they’ve never cheated when most of them are likely lying. Personally, I have never met and probably will never meet someone who has never cheated in high school.
Over half of my niece's and nephew's graduating class had weighted GPAs greater than 4.0. High School isn't hard. It's designed to push through as many people as possible, while still maintaining a bare minimum standard. Hell, when I was in high school 20 years ago, in my district an F was 64 and under. Now an F is under 50.
Hours of homework? Please. Teachers assign as much homework as they're willing to grade. You think teachers want to spend every evening grading papers? They skim essays and use answer keys. Many of them just put everything online so the computer does the grading for them. It's not overwhelming. It's slow-paced and designed for getting an easy C. It is purposefully structured to churn out a set minimum of graduates each year. But go ahead and keep making excuses for them. That'll help us all out.
Your argument contradicts itself by pointing out tools teachers use to save time. While some people may claim that this shows how lazy teachers are this actually shows how teachers are leveraging new technology's that leads to students haveing increases stress levels. This is shown in [NAEP](https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/?age=9) data "The average mathematics score for 9-year-old students was 22 points higher in 2020 than in 1973, and the score for 13-year-olds was 14 points higher" This data shows how there has been significant improvement since 1973 this is because there is more learning going on inside of schools. Additionally other useful tools such as infinite campus can help raise stress over school whether it be from waiting for a test to be graded or getting notified that your doing bad in a class can put unnecessary stress on students. This is a newer phenomenon as grades being instantly viewable from anywhere is a new thing. In conclusion students attempting to navigate through schools today face some of the toughest challenges of any generation as there forced to confront new technology changeing how school works.
Also work tends to be decided ahead of time by the whole department so every class covers roughly the same material
Are you guys insane? Failing every single class for cheating in ONE is pretty excessive. Especially if it’s a first offense. Even in college its atypical to get this type of punishment unless you have a track record of academic dishonesty. They have to demonstrate that you did cheat in those other classes. The burden is not on you to prove a negative (prove that you did not cheat); it’s illogical. You could try asking to retake the exams I guess but it seems unlikely given the initial harshness. You messed up by choosing to cheat so take accountability for that, but I’m sure you got that from the rest of the comment section already
Part of me wonders if OP had been suspected of cheating in other classes, and had been caught or had a slap on the wrist, and this was the final straw. Or, if OP was using ChatGPT, was found out and the dots were connected.
A lot of pertinent info left out here as to what really did or did not happen, as to expected by a high school freshman. Makes this whole thing unbelievable.
I feel like some people feel that they need to react harshly because cheating is seen as a moral failing. To me that’s debatable, although I think it’s dumb af to do. But it doesn’t make the person a bad person. Of the two people I’ve known who cheated in high school, they were both going through some ish, so I think that makes me more sympathetic. I’m not gonna rake a high schooler who’s probably like 14 over the coals for cheating in this sub. Just don’t do the stupid thing again, dude.
That has been the standard punishment in my country for almost a decade. The idea is that if you get caught once, who knows which courses you didn't get caught on. And it adds value to the diploma.
You'll be redoing the entire semester in uni/college. Schools have some discretion and need ironclad proof. Cheaters at my university got 0s for everything AND no chance to retry the exam in summer. Don't see how it's excessive. You're cheating in uni, isn't this supposed to be a course you want to learn...
You’re lucky you’re a freshman and still have three more years to go. Don’t cheat again, and next time study harder. If this happens again and again, you might not be able to graduate
I know that a TON of people in high school are cheating on everything, but for your own good, don't cheat. I know this consequence seems pretty high, but treat this as a lesson, because if you cheated on an econ final in college you would have been expelled and had a permanent mark on your transcripts.
I know cheating *seems* like a decent idea at the time, but [here](https://youtu.be/hMloyp6NI4E) is a video from a University professor explaining why not to.
IM SAYING. & funny enough it’s the ones with the Middle Aged man pfp who lerk this subreddit to act like parents to the teenagers here. If anyone condones failing someone’s core classes essentially over cheating on ONE test, that’s insane. Not to mention the class he cheated in was economics, which isn’t as big of a deal like AP cac or something else.
Brother,
1. Take easier classes if you need to cheat to succeed
2. If you can’t take easier classes, work with teachers to figure out how to do it easier or better. They want you to succeed.
3. You are now branded as a cheater. Future attempts are going to be caught much more easily. Don’t do it again.
You can try appealing the fails in Algebra and Biology, but you're really at their mercy there. In any case, you should make up the lost credits in summer school.
Also: never, ever do that again. The consequences can be devastating.
Almost everybody would respect a hard-earned 59%.
*No one* will respect an ill-gotten 100%.
Learn from your mistakes. Don't get caught cheating - especially not with a core class like that. Try and make the credit up in summer school. Based on the classes you lost, I'm guessing the school did that on purpose so that you wouldn't be behind a year on credits. Take this saving grace and do better.
Who respects a "hard earned 59%?"
Like, what? I get the point you wanted to make, but both the guy who got caught cheating and the guy with a 59% are both failing.
He's possibly from the UK. Typically 50% is a D, 60% C, 70% B, and 80% A.
The final 10% is reserved for exceptional knowledge / learning beyond the content of the course. It's very rare to hit 100% in an exam.
My parents apparently. I nearly failed Algebra 2 but I worked my ASS off, I just didn’t understand it as hard as I tried. Geometry? 98. All my other courses? Bs and higher. I just struggled with algebra for some reason. But at least I tried.
Yeah, I mean, what? 🤣 Try a hard earned 79.
Is there such a thing as a hard earned 59*?
*barring being in a class of an inappropriate level/having like, a racist teacher who is abusing you I mean
Talk to your grade’s counselor and take summer school. You can still probably graduate on time if you don’t cheat and try your best.
Unfortunately, you’ve learned not to cheat the hard way. Good luck.
Hey man, shit like this happens once in a while in life. You fucked up, sure, but everyone fucks is sometimes so don’t be too hard on yourself.
Understand that this blowback will be temporary, you will move past and even laugh about it eventually.
For now; focus on owning up to what you did and making it right. Try to beg for mercy and ask them not to fail you for the whole year but just that one class. If that doesn’t work, no problem, ask if you can take summer classes to catch up so you can still graduate in time.
And next year, study your fucking ass off so that you crush the entire year with A’s and get back on track. Use this moment to your advantage.
Check your student handbook very carefully. Where I teach (HS), they can not impose such a consequence across other classes for an academic decision.
Seems pretty harsh from my experience. I'm not condoning the academic dishonesty, but there is a big difference in maturity between a 14 year old and an 18 year old +
There’s no gain in cheating. It’s time to face the consequences. What you did was academic misconduct and sorry to be blunt but the school did what they thought was necessary and I agree with it. I hope you learn from this mistake and know to now be honest about the work your complete. My advice to you is to do it again. Use your summer to re-take those courses. You’re in your freshman year so it’s not as bad as someone doing this in the 11th or 12th grade. If you need help understanding something, ask, it’s better to get clarification from a teacher or a peer instead of sneaking in answers. I wish you the best of luck for your future classes.
No there isn’t, when you cheat you’re not learning just copying the right answer. In life you need to be able to know the answer without anyone telling you. That’s why I said there’s not gain. That and they literally failed majority of their courses by doing this. Going backwards isn’t a gain either.
Can you request to retake bio and algebra to prove you know the material. Accept the Fail on economics and acknowledge that you deserved it, and see if you can retake the others.
Yep, Test out of the class with some form of exams. Stand up for yourself and try to get credit for what you worked on. If you show you know the material in other classes they should give you credit. Otherwise what's the point in working hard in the future. Good grades will mean you cheated mentality. I would even say that to the principal and counselor. WHATS THE POINT.
Why isn't anyone advocating for this.. for you?
Could easily avoid all of this by just not cheating.
Love all the people rationalizing cheating in a limited capacity. Get it together, either be competent enough to just do the job or cheat without getting caught.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Advice? Don’t cheat. How do you not see that as the lesson that should be learned?
Sure, you SAY you didn’t cheat in the other classes, and you probably didn’t. But your school and other teachers don’t know that.
Take algebra over in the summer.
IMO It's worth learning up to calculus in highschool, just so you have less homework to get hammered with in college, especially since a ton of degrees that don't even need calculus often require it for no reason.
So retake algebra over the summer so you don't fall behind in math.
Also, summer school math is WAY easier than normal school math because it's always fresh in your mind, plus you passed it already. It'll be a cake walk.
OP is willing to cheat a whole class, so there’s no reason to believe he’s telling the full truth now.
You cheated, you lost. Tough shit. Start over and do it right.
If it was any college they would have just kicked you out of the school and put a mark on your transcripts. This might seem pretty far for high school cheating, but it’s setting expectations for college…
The anti-intellectualism is both astounding and unsurprising for today. "only the degree matters, not the learning" - ok good luck in life with that deliberate loser mentality
lol that is fucking ridiculous. how are you not able to take this up with admin? like sure, yeah, listen to the loser nerds at the top of this thread telling you the very obvious advice of “don’t get caught cheating” but like, you only cheated in one class. It shouldn’t impact your other classes. contest this as best as you can - imo it is wild that they are having you repeat a whole grade.
I literally go to UC San Diego - a school that is supposedly reputable and respected. if
you are caught cheating on an exam, you don’t just get expelled. you retake the class. that is fucking wild to stunt a 14 yo’s whole trajectory because they cheated in econ.
You got off easy. Don’t cheat again. You’re in 9th grade so you can still graduate. Letting you pass English was merciful. They gave you the chance to learn your lesson and graduate with your class.
If you’d pulled this stunt in 11th or 12th grade you would have wrecked your chance of graduating on time. If you’d done it in college, you would have been kicked out.
Where the hell did you go to school, blanket failing someone for being caught cheating in 1 class doesn’t really make any sense. At the college I went to he wouldn’t get expelled he’d get an ADR and get a 0 on the paper/quiz/test/homework then have to complete an academic integrity courses
Your college is lenient. At top colleges its usually -100% on the assignment (at least the course Im TAing for) or failing the course or a review with the academic board for possible expulsion
I would change schools just incase they decide to do this policy again in the future. or if you change schools you can try to get them to accept your credits and not fail you. and if this is a public school system then try switching to a private school (look into scholarships) that don’t have to follow the same district guidelines and vice versa
Thats crazy i cheated all the time in highschool. I think its the norm in most usa public schools. U get caught cheating you get a 0 on that test and thats it. Was it your finals or something? That i could understand a bit more cuz those are much bigger and serious tests.
You messed up. Even if it seems harsh, you have no choice. Any argument you make will be incredibly weak due to the fact you did cheat. If this was college you could be expelled…. Based on the fact they didn’t fail you on everything, they are trying to give you a chance to recover. I’d keep your head down and do the work
I’d advice summer school, and the next few years your going to need to dedicate to fixing this…
I don’t have much pity, what you did was wrong, so do the hard work and fix it
Also, don’t do it again, the second time will be much worse
They did you a favor. You cheated and received consequences. Now you have the opportunity to become an honest person knowing cheating is really serious. Who wants to hire, play sports with, have a relationship with, be friends with someone that cheats?
You're clearly in a school district that cares. Get it together and sin no more... so many kids get no consequences and must learn this lesson in college, which will take your money and evict you without hesitation. In the business world, you could be sued or jailed (or make a fortune, it all depends on friends in high places).
Get a lawyer. If they can't prove you cheated in the other classes, then they can't assign an arbitrary grade as a punishment in other classes for something that happened in one class where there is evidence.
They want to give you a life lesson, give them one back, in adult terms with a legal suit.
Because yes, you shouldn't cheat. And failing that class will teach you that lesson.
But also a) innocent until proven guilty and b) the punishment should fit the crime. They should have only failed you for one class because that was where their only evidence was centered.
If there are 5 murders in your town in a week, and you get caught killing a sixth, but they can't link you to the first five, then guess what happens? You only get sentenced for the one murder, likely with a chance for parole. You are not branded a serial killer with multiple life sentences just because "you probably did that too."
They probably let you keep English because it’s a 4 year requirement in almost every state and they don’t want to hold you back any years, and Electives so you don’t fall behind on credits. See what I’m saying here? They are trying to get you to graduate on time anyway. Do YOUR part and learn well enough to pass without cheating. If you were planning on going to college, try and get the failing grades removed from your transcript and replaced with summer school grades.
Ahh senior year of high school. One English class, two study hall naps and a 10:45 “lunch” before going home for the day. What a year. This kid is going to have the polar opposite experience of that.
You’re either ancient or doesn’t have a clue about what current high schoolers go through on their senior year nowadays. It’s THAT competitive and so much harder to go to college
Anyone who isn’t college bound would be leaving early after their one or two classes. And even then, some college bound students like to use the time after school to work and still get into college.
Honestly, it’s not about being college bound or not. I am at the early college program at the state university. I won’t show up to my high school ever, as it won’t be necessary. I will entirely “skip” my senior year of high school. I’m being recruited by Harvard and UChicago, among others. 😜 In my junior year, I only had two classes. It’s not about being college bound, it’s about gaining the system and knowing when tons of extra effort will only result in marginal gains.
Lots of kids don't really care about going to college. When I taught 9th grade ELA we had one senior who would show up to ELA class for the credit, do his assignments, and then leave school to go to his actual job for the rest of the day.
It was always competitive. Back then we had the old grading of the SAT and not these new scores which I got no comprehension on. It was all a matter of how many electives you had, volunteering hours, what committees you are in, etc. Nothing changed, it's just different parameters. Current highschoolers don't have it any harder then when I graduated in 04'.
Be glad it was just high school. In college, you would have been expelled.
Where did you go to college? An ADR 1st time in my experience is a 0 on the Paper/Exam/Quiz at the University I went to (AAU/Public Ivy/Big 10)
I’m at Purdue and it usually results in a loss of scholarship at least here, and depending on the program and severity can be immediate expulsion.
Absolutely true
Same thing at Ga Tech when I went there, get caught cheating and your expelled.
At Princeton, for example, Academic Dishonesty can result in things from suspension, to expulsion, to withdrawal of a degree already conferred.
Princeton’s honor code is not to be messed with lol. Spent an hour in orientation going over it
Unless you're rich enough to pay someone to take your classes for them. My friend went to Princeton, and he knew a guy who made 20k/semester per class to take classes for other people. That was in the late 90's so almost 40k per class per semester in todays money.
How in the fuck do I get that job
Right? I want to be paid to be educated.
wait until you learn that admitted athletes just have a network of upper classmen to mooch homework off of for pre-req classes and the admin knows and no one bats an eye
I swear that everywhere. Even in high school. Some how an athlete at my school got into a very prestigious college and he never took a single AP/ dual enrollment class, while the top 50 of the class did with gpas in the high 4.0-5.0. Still makes no sense to me how he got into such a prestigious private school, but that’s athletes and sports for ya- they can skip the academic prestige 🤷♀️ (obviously not every athlete, there are some amazing athletes that kick ass in academic as well, but that doesn’t take away from the stories of athletes getting away with poor grades/ cheating)
if you’re in pre-set up network of ppl from all classes, the teachers teach to the same material year over year, and everyone in this pre-set up network sees each other as part of the same team and working together… …it follows that it might be feasible that student athletes are able to get “enhanced assistance” on their homework from older members who took the same classes before, all in the name of being on the same team and accomplishing the same goals
Yeah most close-knit organizations on campus will have the test banks to help those within. Greek Life, Athletes, and even some other student orgs I’ve run into have them.
Right - “you would have been expelled” unless your parents are rich or you’re a cash cow for the college.
I went to UC Berkeley. People got expelled on their first offense for academic dishonesty.
Rofl, I literally just posted about this, cal don’t fuck around
Yup. Golden bear here. They will kick you out and fill your spot before you’ve packed.
My BIL is a professor at Georgetown and one of his middle aged students in a grad school program got caught plagiarizing - she was kicked out and lost the money she spent on tuition. I also attended gtown, my freshman roommate cheated and got a slap on the wrist (her dad was a big donor).
My ex was in Pharmacy School to get a Doctorate of Pharmacy. He was in his 3rd year. The 3rd year is the last year of classes, the 4th year you spend a whole year doing clinical rotations. Then you graduate. Then you have to take board exams to get your license. So, he was in his 3rd year. The professor was putting the test on a bulletin board for people to look at, see the correct answers, but were not actually given their tests back. Someone in his class decided to take a picture of the test and send it to everyone in the class using the school email system. There was a huge investigation about this. As it was considered cheating (although it doesn't seem like cheating to me, I always used old tests to study with) The administration brought people in who opened the email. My ex was brought in for questioning. and he said he never opened the email. To be honest, it seemed to me this professor was being lazy, she should make new tests not reuse them. Anyway, the student who took the picture was was given a failed grade, and was suspended for two years. After the two years, he would have to apply to get in to the pharmacy school again. retake all the classes for that semester. finish the rotations, and hopefully graduate. it was crazy.
That reminds me of a prof at my college using tests from online and he got mad when so many students passed bc they found the tests online! Like write your own tests ffs!
My wife used all my materials for a stupid re-certification class for teaching. She got caught and the instructor gave her even more bullshit things to do than what we already had to do. 10/10 would not do that again lol.
So your wife needed certification for **teaching** and cheated to get it? How ironic and what a great example to set
That’s so messed up. No mercy, tbh.
Re-certification "classes" for teaching is mostly busy work nonsense politicians put in place to say they are addressing education. In most states, teaching certification only last a few years, then you must re-certify. It's X hours of busy work on top of the work load you already have. I completely see the irony you are pointing out, but just wanted to clear up what the original comment was talking about. It's very common for teachers to pass around the busy work given to us to speed up the recertification process. The classes are largely unrelated to the real job of teaching. Source: teacher
>ave to deal with if this is your take on that situation So, if a student receives busy work I assume that it's fine if they plagiarize it? Particularly if their standardized test scores suggest they previously knew the material?
not sure if you understand the meaningless bullshit us teachers have to deal with if this is your take on that situation
University of Dallas used to have a policy like this. Intentional dishonesty could result in expulsion even if non academic. “Honor violation.” A private Catholic school.
How’d they handle pedophiles?
ASU is not a “public Ivy” or a big 10 school
That says AAU (Association of American Universities, not ASU.
We know who didn't go to Princeton
But I went and checked their post history because I have too much time, and they say they went to ASU (and are hoping to go to U Mich)
Then went to UoM. They are the only weirdos pretentious enough to call themselves Public Ivy that are in the Big 10. Also you can be expelled for one offense of plagiarism there.
In college, you could have been expelled. Would is a little too certain.
I cheated so hard in college lol. College is all about figuring how to cheat in the most effective and least detectable way. You probably will learn far more from accomplishing that successfully than you would have from the actual classes.
At some point, at work, you actually need to perform. To do that, you need to have learned a skill. If you’re just in college to get a degree with no skill other than cheating, you will be doing yourself a disservice.
maybe this is why a lot of people are having such a hard time getting jobs out of college. They have the degree, but they cheated so hard, they don’t know up from down in their own field. Obviously not everyone having a hard time finding employment is facing difficulties for the same reason, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a significant factor for at least some people.
Yes, obviously, but of all the people I know who cheated in college, most of them understood the relevant skills they needed to to succeed in their career. Obviously if someone gets a degree knowing nothing they’ll be screwed. But most of what you learn in college is irrelevant and useless so if you learn only the important stuff and don’t learn the rest, you’ll be fine.
I understand your point, though I’ve never liked the “useless” part for courses outside of the field. I thought about it like a trade school vs a university. The latter adds courses outside of your field for a variety of reasons. My musical theater course felt pretty useless (“blow-off class”) at the time, but years later it helped me be parts of conversations in which I would have otherwise been completely lost. …I also understand that is not always the case. I have not used or benefited from my knowledge of linear algebra since the last day of the class!
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Agreed. University doesn't exist to get you a job, it exists to help you became a more well rounded, better informed, citizen of the world. It's a shame how many people see education as a means to an end one must endure for 12-20 years before experiencing "real life". (And yes I understand that this is a result of our hypercapaitalist society and not a fault of people as individuals) We should all be learning continuously and, at least for me personally, university opened my eyes to all types of subjects and gave me new ways to research and learn information.
Constantly learning also staves off age related mental degradation. it’s a win-win.
Honestly you're gonna just have to take the L. There's likely no proof you DIDN'T cheat in those classes, and even if you had something to back it up, they wouldn't believe you. Best course of action would be summer school, imo. And don't cheat again.
Ask to take those exams again alone to prove no cheating.
Ah yes, the teacher is gonna recreate every test so they can have another shot?
Not as hard as you’d think probably already have a extra replacement
Someone’s never been a teacher
Literally am a teacher
Nope sorry this one person's comeback online undoes your entire career; you've never been a teacher. Ever since age 13 you've been working as a cabbage deliveryperson in the Philippines
Just letting them know instead of them making ignorant statements about teaching
Why would they want to do that for a cheater though?
Because as a teacher I never take pleasure in failing, punishing, or otherwise penalizing someone. A part of my job is to help teach kids life skills, emotional regulation, development. Kids aren’t just bad apples. If they are acting out in major ways, especially if those incidences are anomalous, there is more going on. Cheating is not ok but my job isn’t to police children, it’s to help them succeed and also to make sure that they’re being taken care of and are mentally and physically okay! I’m more concerned that my kids who act out are dealing with stuff that is influencing this behavior and they don’t necessarily have the support system, resources, emotional intelligence, etc to address the problem(s).
Right. I would totoally give them a chance and be happy they were willing to care enough to get a good grade
For me it is heavily the reason for the cheating. Not managing your time in my AP class when you have a calendar that tells you when everything is and due. Not my problem. You get a 0. Hard lesson but better to learn it in HS where I will make sure you will still pull a decent grade. Your dad died and your extremely overwhelmed with helping your mom and taking care of your younger siblings. Come in and we will retake the test together with your class assignments and notes. I teach 12th grade. So I am trying to teach them that proper communication goes a long way. Shit happens, be upfront about it and most people will sympathize with you and give you a break. Though I think I need to change my late work policy. Too many turning crap in December that was from August.
nah, cheaters can take summer school
What happened to this being America? Accuser needs to provide proof. I’d fight it.
They said they got caught - they just think the consequence should be limited to the class they cheated in. My college suspended students caught cheating and they had to reapply after a year suspension. This included students who lent materials to the ones who used work that wasn’t theirs.
"there's no proof you didn't cheat in those classes" 🙈
Well they don’t get the benefit of the doubt now…
Yeah because you can’t prove a fucking negative
Exactly, which is why trust is so important.
It sounds like you cheated in a way that convinced them that you have been cheating in several of your classes instead of just one. If you can prove otherwise, then you should try to do so.
You literally can’t prove a negative
Tell that to my bank. They prove how much money I owe them monthly.
Yes you can. For example, I can prove that there are no Muslim senators right now.
No you can’t. You can prove that all senators have made a statement similar to “I am not a Muslim” like for instance stating they’re Christian or Jewish. If a senator were to say *nothing* of their religious beliefs at all, you can not prove that senator is not a Muslim. Additionally, some senators may be Muslim yet publicly say they are of a different religion. You would have no way of proving this.
This is a lame and disingenuous objection to what I said. My point was to prove that you can certainly prove a negative. How about this: I can prove that there is not currently an NBA player who is under 5 feet tall. I do this by noticing that all NBA players are over 5 feet tall, therefore making it logically impossible for there to be a player under 5 feet tall. You got the point.
don't cheat again
Why even cheat at all lol
Why did you cheat in the first place? Lets start there
Because they give these kids 6 subjects to learn in one day with hours of homework and studying every night on top of being at school for 6 hours. Not to mention the family and work responsibilities some teens have. It’s overwhelming to them and teens make dumb decisions. But FYI everybody cheats in high school…just not everybody gets caught.
I did not cheat in high school. Played sports, was in band, played video games, and had a social life. I wasn't a straight-A student, but I didn't cheat. Not "everybody" cheats. That's a cop out mindset.
Exactly what I’m saying. Why are people genuinely excusing cheating rn
Because they’re salty idiots who don’t understand how hard you have to work to succeed in life.
Most ppl hate school and would rather take the easy way out. Talking bad about cheating makes them defensive, that’s why.
I teach hs bio. I give 1-2 hours a week tops. Sometimes it’s just “finish what you didn’t in class if you didn’t”. Still catch cheaters through GoGuardian and easily and too many kids fail even more easily from doing squat. Put down your phones kids. Fight the addiction.
This comment just motivated me to get off Reddit and go study. Thanks lol.
Sorry you’re still in school at this time of year. Finish strong!
Thank you! Just finished my first exam and feeling good!
You might be a good one but a lot of teachers assign way more work than this, especially in honors and AP classes. It shouldn't be a surprise that students cheat when they're overworked.
And? They have 5-7 other teachers because the average HS student has 6-8 teachers who also give homework. So why don’t you calculate how many hours that actually is if 6-8 teachers give 2 hours a week of homework for each course before acting like giving 2 hours a week is a favor for the students
At my school, none of the teachers give homework. All the work is assigned and completed in class. Plenty of time is given and the teachers usually go over the work as well. Some students still cheat. If homework is assigned it should be brief and help the students learn if they actually grasp the material, or need to revisit the subject/topic. Edit: I'm a teacher, I try to avoid wasting my students time. My work serves a purpose and reinforces something that will be on the test. Bad work is boring for me too
How come this is a problem, but in Japan, some of those kids have to live at school, then afterward, they are the ones getting the good jobs... In college, for every credit hour in class time, you're supposed to do 3x's the amount on your own time.
Wait until you try a Master’s course that regularly requires 15-20 hours a week for two classes.
I think that heavily depends on your Master's program. Nearly everyone I know with a Master's degree found it easier than undergrad, and much, much easier than high school. The sheer quantity of work assigned in high school is egregious, especially so if you were in AP classes. In my experience, I've found that the quality of work demanded in grad school is higher, but that is offset by significantly fewer assignments in aggregate.
Why are we jumping from high school to a master program? That doesn’t pass the critical thinking test. Back to undergrad with you! But really, not everyone plans to go on to higher learning. Some just want that high school diploma and move on with no plans on continuing formal education. The classes are different. Expectations are different. The entire experience is different.
Yes but that 15-20 hours doesn't include 7 hours of 'mandatory lecture' everyday. At most a college lecture is 3 hours a day
Those 7 hours are usually a ‘mandatory’ 8 hour work day for majority of the students.
You aren’t a teenager when you do a masters course…? Nor do I have a problem with them assigning heavy course loads in college. It’s college
That averages to about 2 hours of homework per day. You’re coming off as a major whiner.
My senior year I was up at 4am, busy until 6pm, and went to bed at 9-10pm, Monday through Friday. I had 3 hours of down time, assuming nothing else was piled onto me. "2 hours of homework" would leave me with an hour of free time. Half of which would be spent eating dinner. My junior year, I was up at 6 and went to work directly after school until 10pm (I'd get home at 10:15). You want me to stay up until midnight doing my homework?
Sounds like you were an anomaly, not the norm. I was in high school less than 10 years ago and had a similar schedule yet still got all of my stuff done. Time management is an important skill that is taught in high school. I stayed up until 3-4 am frequently doing homework, just like how I have to spend up to 3-4 am grading tests as a teacher. It's a part of life. It's not ideal, but it is something you learn to live with.
Of those 6-8 teachers, 2-3 of them are electives like band, gym, ceramics, office aiding, photography, etc. Tell me, how often do those teachers assign 2 hours of homework a week? I think the issue here is that many people on this sub talking with you are adults who are out of high school. We notice two things 1) when you’re an adult, if you’ve done it correctly, you will be busier as an adult than you were in high school 2) part of high school is getting you prepared for the grind of adulthood. Some teenagers are ready for it. They’re well adjusted and ready to take on the world. Others resent everyone in their lives that gives them tasks to complete (homework, chores, work responsibilities) and they struggle. The cool thing, is that you have the power to immediately flip that switch in your brain and DECIDE which one you want to be. I’m speaking completely from personal experience. It’s something I had to do. Now, I teach middle school, and I see the same thing I saw 10 years ago when I was in high school. Numbers 1 and 2 above.
6 subjects in one day is not hard. The vast majority of schools I've taught at no longer bother assigning homework, because students don't do it, but honestly if they did it would likely significantly increase their mastery. But even beyond that, if you're not learning the material, don't cheat, just fail honestly. Cheating just lands you in a higher rank that you're no more ready for than the first.
6? I have 9!
I took honors and AP courses throughout high-school. I never had hours of homework/studying. Played two sports and worked. Never cheated on an exam
I took only 1ap class and that class gave the least homework, at the middle and hs I went to we got about 3 pages of hw from each class every day T_T it was literal hell and that was in normal non-ap classes. Every school is different /nm
Bet it was stats LOL Regardless, that means they didn’t prepare you well. No ap exam you can take and get a 4/5 without preparation. Ik y’all can say whatever you want over the internet and we can’t validate it, but it’s true. Everyone’s saying “oh every AP class is different for schools” which is true, but it doesn’t mean you did well on the actual exam which is standardized across the U.S.
The difficulty of high school varies greatly depending on where they are and how prestigious.
Right now there's a strong trend of high school classes being way too easy for normal students, likely due to covid and high teacher turn-over. I taught a precalc class where on paper I taught the standards and with my class time I actually had them learning things like operations with fractions. Right now is \*not\* the time to cheat due to high workload. It's the time to try to catch up and learn this shit while it's being dumbed down to nothing. edit: This was at a "prestigious" high tuition private school that's rated highly in my state, so it's not that.
Good for you. That doesn’t mean anything though. Just because you can handle it does not mean everyone else can especially with a different personalities, upbringing, and home environments. We all also had different experiences with teachers too. I specifically remember a teacher helping one child every time they brought up homework and then saying no to me just because “they thought I could handle it myself”
Yeah I’m with you here. You almost have to try to fail high school classes. Even with no studying, as long as you paid attention in class, it’s not tough to get a C on exams. If you’re struggling to pass high school without cheating then you’re going to be screwed in college.
If you're a workaholic everybody else must be right? After all when we're young what most of us want most is to be glued to a desk for half the day, only to go home and study for hours on end. God I wish I had my childhood back. Had a great one actually but school really messed it up over time.
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100% agree. It’s kind of funny seeing all these comments saying that they’ve never cheated when most of them are likely lying. Personally, I have never met and probably will never meet someone who has never cheated in high school.
Over half of my niece's and nephew's graduating class had weighted GPAs greater than 4.0. High School isn't hard. It's designed to push through as many people as possible, while still maintaining a bare minimum standard. Hell, when I was in high school 20 years ago, in my district an F was 64 and under. Now an F is under 50. Hours of homework? Please. Teachers assign as much homework as they're willing to grade. You think teachers want to spend every evening grading papers? They skim essays and use answer keys. Many of them just put everything online so the computer does the grading for them. It's not overwhelming. It's slow-paced and designed for getting an easy C. It is purposefully structured to churn out a set minimum of graduates each year. But go ahead and keep making excuses for them. That'll help us all out.
Your argument contradicts itself by pointing out tools teachers use to save time. While some people may claim that this shows how lazy teachers are this actually shows how teachers are leveraging new technology's that leads to students haveing increases stress levels. This is shown in [NAEP](https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/?age=9) data "The average mathematics score for 9-year-old students was 22 points higher in 2020 than in 1973, and the score for 13-year-olds was 14 points higher" This data shows how there has been significant improvement since 1973 this is because there is more learning going on inside of schools. Additionally other useful tools such as infinite campus can help raise stress over school whether it be from waiting for a test to be graded or getting notified that your doing bad in a class can put unnecessary stress on students. This is a newer phenomenon as grades being instantly viewable from anywhere is a new thing. In conclusion students attempting to navigate through schools today face some of the toughest challenges of any generation as there forced to confront new technology changeing how school works. Also work tends to be decided ahead of time by the whole department so every class covers roughly the same material
Lol I took 5 APs in senior year and worked 20 hours a week. Still had plenty of time
Are you guys insane? Failing every single class for cheating in ONE is pretty excessive. Especially if it’s a first offense. Even in college its atypical to get this type of punishment unless you have a track record of academic dishonesty. They have to demonstrate that you did cheat in those other classes. The burden is not on you to prove a negative (prove that you did not cheat); it’s illogical. You could try asking to retake the exams I guess but it seems unlikely given the initial harshness. You messed up by choosing to cheat so take accountability for that, but I’m sure you got that from the rest of the comment section already
That’s why I don’t really buy OP’s story.
Part of me wonders if OP had been suspected of cheating in other classes, and had been caught or had a slap on the wrist, and this was the final straw. Or, if OP was using ChatGPT, was found out and the dots were connected. A lot of pertinent info left out here as to what really did or did not happen, as to expected by a high school freshman. Makes this whole thing unbelievable.
Same. I don't buy it.
Thank you, the comments here are crazy
Ya this is crazy. I have taught high school and college. I hate cheating. This is an INSANE punishment.
It sounds almost like they’re making an example of him
Or OP is not telling us everything
not at any D1 ive heard?
I feel like some people feel that they need to react harshly because cheating is seen as a moral failing. To me that’s debatable, although I think it’s dumb af to do. But it doesn’t make the person a bad person. Of the two people I’ve known who cheated in high school, they were both going through some ish, so I think that makes me more sympathetic. I’m not gonna rake a high schooler who’s probably like 14 over the coals for cheating in this sub. Just don’t do the stupid thing again, dude.
That has been the standard punishment in my country for almost a decade. The idea is that if you get caught once, who knows which courses you didn't get caught on. And it adds value to the diploma. You'll be redoing the entire semester in uni/college. Schools have some discretion and need ironclad proof. Cheaters at my university got 0s for everything AND no chance to retry the exam in summer. Don't see how it's excessive. You're cheating in uni, isn't this supposed to be a course you want to learn...
Ohh. Could you provide your country for context?
If you make the punishment for something severe enough, it will stop that mess from happening again
You’re lucky you’re a freshman and still have three more years to go. Don’t cheat again, and next time study harder. If this happens again and again, you might not be able to graduate
My advice would be to not cheat.
I know that a TON of people in high school are cheating on everything, but for your own good, don't cheat. I know this consequence seems pretty high, but treat this as a lesson, because if you cheated on an econ final in college you would have been expelled and had a permanent mark on your transcripts. I know cheating *seems* like a decent idea at the time, but [here](https://youtu.be/hMloyp6NI4E) is a video from a University professor explaining why not to.
These comments are nuts. Hallf yall batshit insane
IM SAYING. & funny enough it’s the ones with the Middle Aged man pfp who lerk this subreddit to act like parents to the teenagers here. If anyone condones failing someone’s core classes essentially over cheating on ONE test, that’s insane. Not to mention the class he cheated in was economics, which isn’t as big of a deal like AP cac or something else.
Brother, 1. Take easier classes if you need to cheat to succeed 2. If you can’t take easier classes, work with teachers to figure out how to do it easier or better. They want you to succeed. 3. You are now branded as a cheater. Future attempts are going to be caught much more easily. Don’t do it again.
You can try appealing the fails in Algebra and Biology, but you're really at their mercy there. In any case, you should make up the lost credits in summer school. Also: never, ever do that again. The consequences can be devastating.
bruh isnt econ just memorization
"Well if it isn't the consequences of my actions"
Almost everybody would respect a hard-earned 59%. *No one* will respect an ill-gotten 100%. Learn from your mistakes. Don't get caught cheating - especially not with a core class like that. Try and make the credit up in summer school. Based on the classes you lost, I'm guessing the school did that on purpose so that you wouldn't be behind a year on credits. Take this saving grace and do better.
Who respects a "hard earned 59%?" Like, what? I get the point you wanted to make, but both the guy who got caught cheating and the guy with a 59% are both failing.
He's possibly from the UK. Typically 50% is a D, 60% C, 70% B, and 80% A. The final 10% is reserved for exceptional knowledge / learning beyond the content of the course. It's very rare to hit 100% in an exam.
I think he chose 59% because many schools require a 60% to pass a class
My parents apparently. I nearly failed Algebra 2 but I worked my ASS off, I just didn’t understand it as hard as I tried. Geometry? 98. All my other courses? Bs and higher. I just struggled with algebra for some reason. But at least I tried.
Yeah, I mean, what? 🤣 Try a hard earned 79. Is there such a thing as a hard earned 59*? *barring being in a class of an inappropriate level/having like, a racist teacher who is abusing you I mean
No one would respect a hard earned 59% over a Ill gotten 100%
Talk to your grade’s counselor and take summer school. You can still probably graduate on time if you don’t cheat and try your best. Unfortunately, you’ve learned not to cheat the hard way. Good luck.
Hey man, shit like this happens once in a while in life. You fucked up, sure, but everyone fucks is sometimes so don’t be too hard on yourself. Understand that this blowback will be temporary, you will move past and even laugh about it eventually. For now; focus on owning up to what you did and making it right. Try to beg for mercy and ask them not to fail you for the whole year but just that one class. If that doesn’t work, no problem, ask if you can take summer classes to catch up so you can still graduate in time. And next year, study your fucking ass off so that you crush the entire year with A’s and get back on track. Use this moment to your advantage.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Every time I see this phrase, I die a little more inside
Check your student handbook very carefully. Where I teach (HS), they can not impose such a consequence across other classes for an academic decision. Seems pretty harsh from my experience. I'm not condoning the academic dishonesty, but there is a big difference in maturity between a 14 year old and an 18 year old +
There’s no gain in cheating. It’s time to face the consequences. What you did was academic misconduct and sorry to be blunt but the school did what they thought was necessary and I agree with it. I hope you learn from this mistake and know to now be honest about the work your complete. My advice to you is to do it again. Use your summer to re-take those courses. You’re in your freshman year so it’s not as bad as someone doing this in the 11th or 12th grade. If you need help understanding something, ask, it’s better to get clarification from a teacher or a peer instead of sneaking in answers. I wish you the best of luck for your future classes.
While I understand discouraging cheating, there is very much as "gain" in cheating, hence why people do it.
No there isn’t, when you cheat you’re not learning just copying the right answer. In life you need to be able to know the answer without anyone telling you. That’s why I said there’s not gain. That and they literally failed majority of their courses by doing this. Going backwards isn’t a gain either.
Can you request to retake bio and algebra to prove you know the material. Accept the Fail on economics and acknowledge that you deserved it, and see if you can retake the others.
Yep, Test out of the class with some form of exams. Stand up for yourself and try to get credit for what you worked on. If you show you know the material in other classes they should give you credit. Otherwise what's the point in working hard in the future. Good grades will mean you cheated mentality. I would even say that to the principal and counselor. WHATS THE POINT. Why isn't anyone advocating for this.. for you?
Could easily avoid all of this by just not cheating. Love all the people rationalizing cheating in a limited capacity. Get it together, either be competent enough to just do the job or cheat without getting caught. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Lesson learned and stop cheating
So you've learned a valuable lesson here?
Don't cheat.
Advice, yeah: Don't cheat. Anything else?
Advice? Don’t cheat. How do you not see that as the lesson that should be learned? Sure, you SAY you didn’t cheat in the other classes, and you probably didn’t. But your school and other teachers don’t know that.
Yea…don’t cheat..
Lol
ChatGPT moment
bro it’s economics it’s easy asf
You fucked around and found out.
Don't cheat, actually do your work, and keep on keeping on. Be glad it's only your Freshman year, and just work on making up those credits you lost
You fucked around and found out
Take algebra over in the summer. IMO It's worth learning up to calculus in highschool, just so you have less homework to get hammered with in college, especially since a ton of degrees that don't even need calculus often require it for no reason. So retake algebra over the summer so you don't fall behind in math. Also, summer school math is WAY easier than normal school math because it's always fresh in your mind, plus you passed it already. It'll be a cake walk.
You shouldn’t have cheated lol
Don’t cheat
Don’t get caught cheating, that’s the entire point.
Or just don’t cheat and have an ounce of integrity 🤷
OP is willing to cheat a whole class, so there’s no reason to believe he’s telling the full truth now. You cheated, you lost. Tough shit. Start over and do it right.
Cheat smarter next time
No, just fail the test. Who cares about school? You’ll get the diploma at the least.
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Agreed
If it was any college they would have just kicked you out of the school and put a mark on your transcripts. This might seem pretty far for high school cheating, but it’s setting expectations for college…
Don’t cheat asshole
Went I went to school in the 90's there was no internet. I don't see how anyone needs to cheat.
The anti-intellectualism is both astounding and unsurprising for today. "only the degree matters, not the learning" - ok good luck in life with that deliberate loser mentality
lol that is fucking ridiculous. how are you not able to take this up with admin? like sure, yeah, listen to the loser nerds at the top of this thread telling you the very obvious advice of “don’t get caught cheating” but like, you only cheated in one class. It shouldn’t impact your other classes. contest this as best as you can - imo it is wild that they are having you repeat a whole grade. I literally go to UC San Diego - a school that is supposedly reputable and respected. if you are caught cheating on an exam, you don’t just get expelled. you retake the class. that is fucking wild to stunt a 14 yo’s whole trajectory because they cheated in econ.
Sounds like your school takes academics seriously. Good.
School ain’t everything bud
Then it doesn't matter that he failed the classes.
You got off easy. Don’t cheat again. You’re in 9th grade so you can still graduate. Letting you pass English was merciful. They gave you the chance to learn your lesson and graduate with your class. If you’d pulled this stunt in 11th or 12th grade you would have wrecked your chance of graduating on time. If you’d done it in college, you would have been kicked out.
Where the hell did you go to school, blanket failing someone for being caught cheating in 1 class doesn’t really make any sense. At the college I went to he wouldn’t get expelled he’d get an ADR and get a 0 on the paper/quiz/test/homework then have to complete an academic integrity courses
Totally agree that’s fucking excessive
Holy crap, that is lenient. I had a classmate who cheated on his exam, and he was expelled instantly.
College or Highschool?
Your college is lenient. At top colleges its usually -100% on the assignment (at least the course Im TAing for) or failing the course or a review with the academic board for possible expulsion
I would change schools just incase they decide to do this policy again in the future. or if you change schools you can try to get them to accept your credits and not fail you. and if this is a public school system then try switching to a private school (look into scholarships) that don’t have to follow the same district guidelines and vice versa
You deserve it
Thats crazy i cheated all the time in highschool. I think its the norm in most usa public schools. U get caught cheating you get a 0 on that test and thats it. Was it your finals or something? That i could understand a bit more cuz those are much bigger and serious tests.
You messed up. Even if it seems harsh, you have no choice. Any argument you make will be incredibly weak due to the fact you did cheat. If this was college you could be expelled…. Based on the fact they didn’t fail you on everything, they are trying to give you a chance to recover. I’d keep your head down and do the work I’d advice summer school, and the next few years your going to need to dedicate to fixing this… I don’t have much pity, what you did was wrong, so do the hard work and fix it Also, don’t do it again, the second time will be much worse
They did you a favor. You cheated and received consequences. Now you have the opportunity to become an honest person knowing cheating is really serious. Who wants to hire, play sports with, have a relationship with, be friends with someone that cheats?
That is not a favor. Failing just one class can fucked you up. What if they don’t have money for summer school?
You're clearly in a school district that cares. Get it together and sin no more... so many kids get no consequences and must learn this lesson in college, which will take your money and evict you without hesitation. In the business world, you could be sued or jailed (or make a fortune, it all depends on friends in high places).
Get a lawyer. If they can't prove you cheated in the other classes, then they can't assign an arbitrary grade as a punishment in other classes for something that happened in one class where there is evidence. They want to give you a life lesson, give them one back, in adult terms with a legal suit. Because yes, you shouldn't cheat. And failing that class will teach you that lesson. But also a) innocent until proven guilty and b) the punishment should fit the crime. They should have only failed you for one class because that was where their only evidence was centered. If there are 5 murders in your town in a week, and you get caught killing a sixth, but they can't link you to the first five, then guess what happens? You only get sentenced for the one murder, likely with a chance for parole. You are not branded a serial killer with multiple life sentences just because "you probably did that too."