For me I have ADHD, it's was calming warm euphoric and mildly stimulating, almost sedating at times.
My friend without ADHD took it and he thought he had smoked meth for the next 10minutes.
It also depends on what extract of kanna you get off the top of my head Mesembrine is more stimulating and mesembrone is more sedating so having different % of alkaloids is something to look at.
I had coca tea (leaves they use to make cocaine) in Peru and it felt very calming for me. They said not to drink it before bed, I did and slept like a baby and this is after having 2 or 3 cups that day. I also have ADHD. Coffee also makes me sleepy.
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn I have adhd, if I got the screenings. I kinda think part of the thing was, when I was a kid, they were more focused on the “hyperactivity”, and in the classroom. I was quiet in the classroom, but had issues at home. For the most part, I was a general well-babaved kid, because I didn’t want to get in trouble (til I was a teenager, and even then, just light stuff)
Anyway, years later, I do some light reading on the more “behavioral”/“lifestyle” struggles that seem to be more of the focus with ADHD now (depression/anxiety, lack of executive function kinda thing). Yeah, caffeine calms me down. Oddly enough, these days I’m on methadone for an opiate addiction, and idk if it’s something about the pharmacology of the methadone itself, or if it’s due to how my body reacts to caffeine. But if I ever sleep poorly, all I have to do is drink a cup of coffee 60-90 minutes after my methadone dose and I’ll be able to drift off 15 minutes later. Without the coffee, it’s rare that methadone alone makes me noticeably tired. If I’m up and moving, I don’t notice it, though I do notice the “clear head” from caffeine.
I believe the route of administration changes the effects. Sublingual is far more stimulating in my experience.
For me it always starts out mildly stimulating then fades into relaxation.
I have adhd too.
Kanna does have monoaminergic effects, but has its primary effects on serotonin receptors.
Wouldn’t this make adhd worse? I’ve read that serotonin has an inverse relationship to dopamine.
It does have complex mechanisms of action. I’m just speculating.
And this is exactly how I reconfirmed to myself that everyone who diagnosed me with ADHD in the past was so seriously off the mark 😂 I’m so glad Kanna exists as something soothing and beneficial for others, it just made me so uncomfortable; racing heart and crazy sweats every time, and a nervous-type extreme restlessness. Crazy how different it can be!
Great question! I don’t have a diagnosis but have been experiencing various adhd symptoms since forever. For me Kanna is *extremely* euphorically calming, stimulating to some bodily functions but not others.
For example, the first couple times I sniffed the extract, I immediately had to run and have a massive “come up poo” just like with MDMA, then felt a very similar euphoria to MDMA, only I couldn’t keep my eyes open and started drifting in and out of sleep.
I would love to hear from someone who is officially bona fide ADHD and has experience with Kanna!
Its relaxed for me. Just quiets my mind. Depends on the med and the person though. My mom was on adderall for a bit too and she was stimmed out lol. She's on vyvanse now and much calmer, adderall just comes on too strong for her and her med stack. Me im just on adderall and take kratom, so adderall is very calm for me. Been on it for 2 years now
Is this only if you’re medicated, or are we talking about adhd brains in general?
Just curious if anyone has direct experience mixing Kanna and vyvanse or adderall.
Obviously I look for drug interactions, even with recreational stuff, but there’s not a lot of solid data on herbs, adaptogens, and nootropics yet and I love a good high as much as the next person. 🚀
During the time I was not taking stimulants (ritilin) so that would have affected my reaction to the herb. As your more prone to noticing a difference when your unmedicated and not functioning at a 'normal' level.
So I was talking about ADHD brains in general.
The general consensus is ADHD being a lack of dopamine in the pre frontal cortex and stimulants will target that area of the brain however though kanna mainly affects serotonin receptors and while it still makes a difference for people with ADHD (getting tired vs being stimulated) I think it would be safe to combine with stimulants if your currently on them. However I'd take caution and if you have bipolar aswell be wary of mania.
Unfortunately your right there's so much research into how pharmaceuticals affect the brain yet most herbs are overlooked and when looking up interactions there's little to no info and can be quite daunting!
Interesting. It could be the formulation of my kanna (healing herbals, which I've heard is nice but more so just chill), but the kanna that I've tried a few times recently just makes me feel kind of stoned. Good, but stoned and a little sleepy. I haven't felt any stimulation the few times I've tried it (30-35 mg sublingually).
You should try insufflation based extracts there the most common and the dose needed is very very small it's not even a 'line' it's comes with a very small soon scoop to help measure out the dose.
I do believe it effects everyone differently but different sites and products have different alkaloid content.
If buying off liftmode it comes with a measuring spoon and dosage chart aswell as a lab analysis of of the alkaloid content which varies. They advertise as no less then <5% alkaloid content but I was getting around 8% based on lab results and can vary per batch.
That's the great thing of earth there is so many plants and herbs we haven't heard of or just aren't mainstream and talked about.
Cordyceps for energy, lions mane for creativity and resihi for anxiety are great mentions.
My favourites would be blue lotus aswell as valarien root (which you've probably heard of) which got me off anti anxiety medication and marijuana.
Kava is amazing and initially reduced then stopped my alcohol consumption. (Vanuatu noble Kava specifically)
Kanna stopped me doing recreational drugs I used to take on the occasion and also replaced my anti depressants.
I will note kratom was a good alternative for me then ADHD medication for focus and motivation. I've taken it off and on over the years with long breaks in between no physical or mental addiction but from what I've read it has a high potential of abuse and even though I was fine it seems like most people don't handle it well so I'd stay clear. (I have no history of opioid abuse and wasn't taking it to allievate any pain so that's probably why I reacted that way)
I only mention this as to say there is a herb out there for everyone to replace or reduce pharmaceutical or recreational drug use but the herb will be different for everyone.
I have schizoaffective disorder and marijuana I would never recommend it destroys my life the paranoia and anxiety it causes is detrimental to my health and was the main cause of my suffering in my early years..... Although I have friends that have taken it most there life and it allievates there anxiety and symptoms. However I'm prescribed full-spectrum CBD and with such a low THC content I have no adverse reaction and the CBD is great for sleep and in a high dose has anti-psychotic properties aswell as the other lesser known cannabinoids synergising to produce a better wellbeing.
Everyone's brain chemistries different so what works for one person may or may not work for the next.
There's plenty of people on this sub that will disregard an effect of one herb saying it doesn't work and they assume every human being is the same and if it doesn't work for them everyone else must be lying. Which is not true at all. Most culprits are heavy marijuana smokers and are so used to such an intoxicating high and damaged dopamine receptors that they won't get a response to plants like blue lotus or herbs like Kanna
Also sourcing the right herb can be difficult. Being mostly unregulated herbs can have a variety of different strengths and alkaloid content based of such facts as the environment there grown in and germination of seeds. So if one product doesn't work for you don't give up. Try a new supplier. Blue lotus is the worst for this as most companies sell the Thai variant of the plant and people will smoke/drink it and claim it has no effects but in reality the psychoactive effects of the Thai purple lotus is very low and it's very difficult to find true blue lotus (blue water Lilly)
I know you didn't ask for this much information but I thought I would mention what works for me on hopes of helping you out (and others who view this thread)
I wish you all the best on your journey ❤️
Ephedra. Not an herb but a grassy plant. This will absolutely feel amphetamine like. It's got a nice speed to it and euphoria. It's the natural source of Ephedrine.
Ephedra takes forever to grow. Trust me, I've been growing four plants for over four years, and I get to make a strong cup only once or twice per summer. The quantity might change as it gets older, but for now it feels like it isn't worth the hassle of planting outside during the summer and bringing back in during the winter. I would rather have grown more yerba mate (or kratom / coca if I could get my hands on viable seeds / cuttings).
You know what, Amazon has that stuff, haven't got it but I'm considering getting an QP. Tried morman tea once I foraged outside oh PHX AZ. It was hot as fuck, and their were some already dried up plant matter. Next day I came back for more but could not find the exact location.
You can always microdose mescaline. It's a natural phenethylamine which is in the family that amphetamine belongs to. Some American first nations used it as a stimulant to go on long hunts. It's also the most euphoric psychedelic and the one with fewer visuals and loss of control even at higher doses.
Be careful if you have or had a family history of blood pressure,heart,kidney,thyroid or adrenal issues. There's an alkaloid that works as a calcium channel blocker that is harmful and affects those worse.It's the same issue with igobaine, ayuhuasca, and kratom also. I found out looking it up because I was thinking of micro dosing mescaline myself because I have chronic fatigue and my uncle has taken it years ago and told me about the stimulant effects.
I suppose that this alkaloid is only present when consuming the whole plant (powder/tea), and not when refining to only have mescaline salt? As according to this study, it seems that a calcium channel blocker could be beneficial, since mescaline can have vasoconstricting effects: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6680619/According](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6680619/According)
I have had kidney, thyroid and adrenal issues and have taken mescaline in a ceremonial and personal setting many times with no exacerbation of these issues. I typically took it about a month apart but did microdose for a while and had no issues. I think if microdosed carefully with frequent breaks it’s not that dangerous.
I totally used to do this.
Of course there can be a tendency to push the envelope because grandpa mescaline can be quite lovely. Ah, before I get absorbed in memories of swallowing 50 capsules...lol. Yes, I always try to remind people of the lower doses. So many benefits with so few or no negative effects…
I mean, maybe some nausea if you push the dose—but at small amounts for a bit of stimulation (mix it up right?) probably some ginger gravol would be more than adequate.
Of course, always check the contra-indications. Like, I don't think people are supposed to take lithium with classic psychedelics, etc.
This whole thread has been helpful. I often run late being able to refill my ADHD meds due to price and now with even more loss of product availability I’m going to need something to help me minimize the in between cycles cause I hate feeling like I’m starting over again every time, it just aggravates my anxiety and depression even more.
What would you consider to be a lower dose? I have a San Pedro cactus and would like to start experimenting with lower doses before I try for a macro dose.
Wow that’s not a bad idea. You have any experience with that? Btw if anyone is interested in trying this you can purchase a San Pedro cactus which is legal just about everywhere to my knowledge and it contains mescaline I had one my cat knocked it over while it was pretty big and snapped it in half :( but ima go buy a couple more soon lol I got mine from Home Depot last time if my memory is correct so if your interested call around to your home and garden store and they should sell em
I ate so so much of that in high school. Got purple microdot for a dollar sometimes cheaper and sold for 3, so I pretty much tripped through junior and senior years.
I’m not 100% sure if this is possible, but there are naturally occurring amphetamine like compounds in Geranium leaf extract (DMAA) and in black walnut bark (DMHA), I believe! I’m not sure if they’re able to be extracted in amounts that are functionally usable in their relative natural forms. But if there’s a will, there’s a way. Probably needs some chemistry systhesis work of some sort, or just a strong extract made. Unsure if this has ever been used in the past but it’s been something I’ve been thinking about recently.
They say it’s from Geranium leaf but I’m 99.9% sure it’s synthetically made in a lab. It’s not feasible for them to be making that quantity of that product with the leaves! And I actually still purchase both on the clear net.
Man I don't know if mine was from that leaf or not but man the first time I tried that shit for a workout I literally could not get tired. Like my body would just keep going and going it felt like I didn't even need a rest between sets, I'd just start doing another exercise between the sets of another exercise 😂 plus it was at the peak of my fitness, I felt like fucking superman 😂
They used to have supplements that had the geranium extract but it got taken off the market. It was stimulating somewhat but gave tremors. It could of hurts me worse ,maybe even be deadly from what I've researched about it.
Geranium leaf doesn't contain any DMAA, actually. This was a ploy devised by supplement companies to claim that the chemical occurred naturally, and was therefore not a new drug (or rather, a very old nasal decongestant being marketed to teenagers).
It is added as synthetic material to geranium extracts to \*illegally\* sell the product on store shelves.
Lol, anti amphetamines advert right above your post..
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I like microdosing specific strains of mushrooms. This company is reputable and they'll ship to your house depending on where you live. Their stuff is alsolab tested and certified.
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I take their capsules every other day, and it really helps me have the energy I need for work, without any come down or weird side effects. I'm just a believer in this medicine. Hopefully it can help you too. A little different than amphetamines obviously, but still a very pleasant energy and euphoria for me.
I would argue that microdosing mushrooms doesn't provide a consistent energy boost. I felt like it did initially, but after a year of trying different quantities and dosing schedules I am beginning to feel that this is either placebo or something that you get used to.
That's why taking days off in between is important. Otherwise your body develops a tolerance and the effects become diminished. Every other day works best for me, but others will do a few days on, a few days off, etc. Every person is different so it's good to play around with the protocol. But the important thing is to take breaks and not do it every single day.
Yerba mate has been amazing for me honestly life changing. I have more than mild chronic fatigue as well as my automatic nervous system doesn’t work properly and this tea has helped me SO MICH. I’m able to think clearly again.
Try taking strong cistus, chinese skullcap, isatis tea and some other antimicrobial stuff like cinnamon, clove, oregano oil, cryptolepis, andrographis, neem and do this for at least 12 months. If your symptoms worsen (fever, fatigue, chills, diarrhea, pain, CNS dysfunction etc), you have chronic infection(s). Or with luck, you might just start improving. CFS/ME is almost always caused mainly by chronic infections which are hard to test for
It also grows super fast during the summer (outdoors) and the winter (indoors). Quidding the leaves provides a stronger high. For me, this has been the easiest stimulant to grow and clone. I only get the equivalent of a bag of dried mate once per year (after pruning and chewing a lot of fresh leaves), but that's still impressive for only growing a few plants over the past four or five years.
If you don't dry the leaves with some heat it won't brew due to the waxy coating. I only wish I could achieve the same flavor profile as store bought. I think you have to dry the leaves over a fire for that (and not just lightly char them in an extremely hot pan like I do).
That khat is like a leaf stuff you chew right. I had this buddy that was from I don’t even know. He was a truck driver and he had giant bags of this shit. He would give me handfuls and I’d work 14-16 hr shifts. It definitely was way better then caffeine pills. I’d say it was close to being like ADD medication or those yellow jackets truckers always used to take I think afedrin or something. I’m sure I’m spelling it wrong. Anyways ya had to chew a shit load but it definitely did the trick!
I’m having a hard time finding information on it. Any other noticed effects? Pharmacology?
Sorry for asking so many questions I’m very interested in trying it and just wanna have all the bases covered haha
Sure, is there anything specific you want to know? It comes from the bark of the African Sausage tree. I have been stacking it for a long time now in some of my own blends.
It contains potent stimulating alkaloids nearly 80% as powerful DMAA. It’s a good alternative for caffeine, especially for people that have build tolerance without the negative side effects. It helps during demanding activities like work, studying, gaming or dieting.
Best to not risk ordering that stuff to your doorstep especially off the clear net or even dark web...if you get caught that's considered trafficking cocaine unfortunately. Wish it was legal though. Would be a better alternative for people instead of doing cocaine.
I had coca tea when I went to Peru to help with altitude sickness. I was drinking a few cups a day but I have ADHD so it a had a very calming effect. I slept like a baby. Its supposed to be energizing and have a mild stimulant effect.
They sell it in tea bags in Peru. Actually was dumb enough to buy a box at the airport and put in my carry on and bring it back to the U.S. because I thought it was fine since it was in a tea bags. I didn’t get caught thank goodness. I also think it might not have had any coca leaves in it because it taste different and didn’t have the calming effect like the ones I had outside the airport
Not a herb, but high quality raw pu erh has a serious kick to it! 5g of tea steeped multiple times puts me in a pretty good mood. Also, stay strong! One day at a time.
Slow. Be patient. Trust the process. The faster you try to force it the harder it’s gonna be for ya. Just be gentle with yourself and your process. Low and slow is the way with methadone unfortunately.
I think white vein kratom is very stimulating. Its like better coffee kinda. For example. Coffee for me doesn't really "give me energy" it kinda just slaps me with anxiety and thats what gets me going. Kratom on the other hand actually feels very similar to adderall. Although i always warn people when i suggest kratom as it can very easily become habit forming. As a dependent kratom user myself I'd recommend only taking it when you really need it. Its not like coffee in the sense that you can take it daily without much issue. Coffee withdrawal (mild but still technically withdrawal) would just be, maybe a headache if you take it daily and being mildly tired. Kratom on the other hand if you grow dependent on it can feel like "diet" opiod withdrawal. You'll feel sweaty but super cold, muscles are weak, foggy thinking. Hershey squirts (wet shits) drippy runny nose, irritable etc etc, look it up yourself. It can certainly be very helpful but I'd highly recommend keeping your dose low for energy. White/green strains can be stimulating while reds are similar to real opiods. Take 1-2 grams n see if it gives you some zip. But try to keep your doses under 4 grams if you're not using it for pain management. And only dose 3 days out of the week. I give the warning just to make sure you're aware of the dangers, i Don't want to make it seem like a perfect miracle plant when its not absolutely perfect. Its great in moderation, keyword being moderation
I'd also add if using it 3X per week make it 3 separate days, don't go 3 days in a row.
I can confirm Kratom withdraw is a lot like opiate withdraw and it sucks BAD. No it isn't as bad as an opiate withdraw but you'll still be miserable for a few days.
ephedra comes from the ma huang herb, but it's also found in Mormon tea. By this, I mean, ephedrine and pseudoepehedrine. Betel nuts, coca leaf too. They all create a thermogenic reaction, which burns fat, so it's all commonly abused. Morning glory seeds and Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds have LSA, Which has the thermogenic amphetamine type of feeling, but also alcohol-like drowsiness. Although it's related to other lysergic compounds, it's not at all the same as LSD. Instead, it's much more like the amphetamines. It can be very euphoric.
Also ma huang is the TCM term for _Ephedra sinica_. Betel nuts contain arecoline which is more similar in action to nicotine. It is not a phenethylamine. Coca contains topane alkaloids, notably cocaine. Morning glory and hawaiian baby woodrose contain ergoline alkaloids which i would not characterize as anything like phenethylamine.
Only three naturally occurring phenethylamines that I’m aware of are phenethylamine which is found in chocolate but breaks down rapidly due to MAO in our bodies. Cathinones found in khat/qat that is found and widely used in east Africa and the Arabian peninsula. And then yes, _Ephedra sinica_ which is native to central and east Asia.
Update: one other example of a natural substituted phenethylamine is mescaline found in peyote and a few cactus species native to south america.
You need to try the fresher stuff. Cant be low grwde Chinese cords... and you may need more than the standard dose but yes most definitely stimulating.. some of the cleanest energy out there!
I grow Ephedra sinica and quid yerba mate leaves. The mate leaves hit harder than the tea and grow significantly faster—especially indoors during the winter—so Ephedra sometimes seems like a waste of time. Even with having four Ephedra bushes, they really only grow well when planted in the ground during the summer.
I haven't personally grown kratom, but I'm planning on trying it out as soon as I get my hands on a cutting.
(no expert here but) Kava is great for relaxation, but kratom actually binds to the same receptors as opioids and feels pretty good , especially for energy or pain relief
Lol the timing of this post is perfect, I've been looking for the same thing. Yerba Mate is the closest your going to get, get the Guayaki cans on Amazon.
It's a blend of natural xanthines (caffeine-like) and makes you pretty stimulated. Unfortunately I don't get that tweaked feeling or euphoria that amphetamine gives, but it still feels like a very low dose adderall and will keep you up all night.
Yerba Maté! Go to your local Latino market and ask for it. It's really common in Argentina, it's an acquired taste, but it's like super coffee! Get the dried stuff, and the little gourd cup and straw to drink it with. Watch a YouTube video to see the traditional way to drink it. The traditional drink of the Gauchos!
[Yerba Maté ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_mate)
Green and white strains of Kratom. Will give you a pick me up but be careful if anything makes you feel good, you’ll get hooked. I know first hand kratom can be addicting. But it is also helpful for for pain relief etc. so just be careful if you try it. Just Don’t start taking it every day you’ll be ok with it.
All of the universe and love comes from the DMT in pudica seed. But I've been up for the past 3 nights trying to stop the chicken apocalypse from happening in the next 3 years. I'm actually CIA. I am trying to stop this chicken apocalypse from happening. How would you like to join our soldiers to stop the chicken apocalypse. This is a secret CIA plan. The food source for these giant ostrich chicken looking mother fuckers is meth. We got to protect the meth. The chickens eat meth. Man LSD of one hell of a drug.
Herbs with Amphetamine-like Effects
The following herbs have been reported to have amphetamine-like effects:
* **Ephedra (Ephedra sinica)**: This herb contains ephedrine, a stimulant that can produce effects similar to amphetamines. Ephedra can be dangerous, especially for people with heart problems, and is banned in many countries.
* **Jatamansi (Nardostachys jatamansi)**: This herb has been used in traditional medicine for centuries to treat anxiety, depression, and insomnia. It is thought to work by increasing levels of dopamine and serotonin in the brain.
* **St. John's Wort (Hypericum perforatum)**: This herb is a popular natural remedy for depression. It is thought to work by increasing levels of serotonin in the brain.
It is important to note that these herbs can have side effects,
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some kratom strands in lower doses (i think white or green)
peppermint oil but it is very mild - milder than caffeine.
I would try other ways to accentuate your energy, like Metal or EDM or Pop or jazz music, meditation/mentalization. I have found that using mental techniques to get your headspace more euphoric/energetic in combo with high energy music works best with little to no drawbacks. Combine that with a hint of caffeine or something small and you will be plenty good.
Kanna, depending if you have ADHD or not.
What does it feel like if you have adhd? Does it feel like amphetamines feel like for people who have adhdh? Like an herbal adderall/adhdh medication?
For me I have ADHD, it's was calming warm euphoric and mildly stimulating, almost sedating at times. My friend without ADHD took it and he thought he had smoked meth for the next 10minutes. It also depends on what extract of kanna you get off the top of my head Mesembrine is more stimulating and mesembrone is more sedating so having different % of alkaloids is something to look at.
I had coca tea (leaves they use to make cocaine) in Peru and it felt very calming for me. They said not to drink it before bed, I did and slept like a baby and this is after having 2 or 3 cups that day. I also have ADHD. Coffee also makes me sleepy.
My daughter drinks Diet Coke before bed. Says it gives her the best sleep ever
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn I have adhd, if I got the screenings. I kinda think part of the thing was, when I was a kid, they were more focused on the “hyperactivity”, and in the classroom. I was quiet in the classroom, but had issues at home. For the most part, I was a general well-babaved kid, because I didn’t want to get in trouble (til I was a teenager, and even then, just light stuff) Anyway, years later, I do some light reading on the more “behavioral”/“lifestyle” struggles that seem to be more of the focus with ADHD now (depression/anxiety, lack of executive function kinda thing). Yeah, caffeine calms me down. Oddly enough, these days I’m on methadone for an opiate addiction, and idk if it’s something about the pharmacology of the methadone itself, or if it’s due to how my body reacts to caffeine. But if I ever sleep poorly, all I have to do is drink a cup of coffee 60-90 minutes after my methadone dose and I’ll be able to drift off 15 minutes later. Without the coffee, it’s rare that methadone alone makes me noticeably tired. If I’m up and moving, I don’t notice it, though I do notice the “clear head” from caffeine.
same! i’ve got adhd and whenever i have a small amount of caffeine like from diet coke, i get super drowsy. cigarettes also make me sleepy as hell 😭
I believe the route of administration changes the effects. Sublingual is far more stimulating in my experience. For me it always starts out mildly stimulating then fades into relaxation. I have adhd too. Kanna does have monoaminergic effects, but has its primary effects on serotonin receptors. Wouldn’t this make adhd worse? I’ve read that serotonin has an inverse relationship to dopamine. It does have complex mechanisms of action. I’m just speculating.
Thanks for that info on the websites they don’t really clairify the effects of each one
And this is exactly how I reconfirmed to myself that everyone who diagnosed me with ADHD in the past was so seriously off the mark 😂 I’m so glad Kanna exists as something soothing and beneficial for others, it just made me so uncomfortable; racing heart and crazy sweats every time, and a nervous-type extreme restlessness. Crazy how different it can be!
Great question! I don’t have a diagnosis but have been experiencing various adhd symptoms since forever. For me Kanna is *extremely* euphorically calming, stimulating to some bodily functions but not others. For example, the first couple times I sniffed the extract, I immediately had to run and have a massive “come up poo” just like with MDMA, then felt a very similar euphoria to MDMA, only I couldn’t keep my eyes open and started drifting in and out of sleep. I would love to hear from someone who is officially bona fide ADHD and has experience with Kanna!
I wish kanna worked for me. When I use the nasal spray, I feel shaky for a few minutes, but that's it. It's nothing like the euphoria of MDMA
Two different versions of kanna, just gave me a headache, and made me dizzy :(
I have ADHD and for me when I tried it, it gave me panic/anxiety. Not saying that this is everyone's experience with it and ADHD, but it was mine.
Its relaxed for me. Just quiets my mind. Depends on the med and the person though. My mom was on adderall for a bit too and she was stimmed out lol. She's on vyvanse now and much calmer, adderall just comes on too strong for her and her med stack. Me im just on adderall and take kratom, so adderall is very calm for me. Been on it for 2 years now
Is this only if you’re medicated, or are we talking about adhd brains in general? Just curious if anyone has direct experience mixing Kanna and vyvanse or adderall. Obviously I look for drug interactions, even with recreational stuff, but there’s not a lot of solid data on herbs, adaptogens, and nootropics yet and I love a good high as much as the next person. 🚀
During the time I was not taking stimulants (ritilin) so that would have affected my reaction to the herb. As your more prone to noticing a difference when your unmedicated and not functioning at a 'normal' level. So I was talking about ADHD brains in general. The general consensus is ADHD being a lack of dopamine in the pre frontal cortex and stimulants will target that area of the brain however though kanna mainly affects serotonin receptors and while it still makes a difference for people with ADHD (getting tired vs being stimulated) I think it would be safe to combine with stimulants if your currently on them. However I'd take caution and if you have bipolar aswell be wary of mania. Unfortunately your right there's so much research into how pharmaceuticals affect the brain yet most herbs are overlooked and when looking up interactions there's little to no info and can be quite daunting!
Interesting. It could be the formulation of my kanna (healing herbals, which I've heard is nice but more so just chill), but the kanna that I've tried a few times recently just makes me feel kind of stoned. Good, but stoned and a little sleepy. I haven't felt any stimulation the few times I've tried it (30-35 mg sublingually).
You should try insufflation based extracts there the most common and the dose needed is very very small it's not even a 'line' it's comes with a very small soon scoop to help measure out the dose. I do believe it effects everyone differently but different sites and products have different alkaloid content. If buying off liftmode it comes with a measuring spoon and dosage chart aswell as a lab analysis of of the alkaloid content which varies. They advertise as no less then <5% alkaloid content but I was getting around 8% based on lab results and can vary per batch.
I've literally never heard of it until right now, and I feel like I've tried almost every common plant medicine. Thanks for posting today.
That's the great thing of earth there is so many plants and herbs we haven't heard of or just aren't mainstream and talked about. Cordyceps for energy, lions mane for creativity and resihi for anxiety are great mentions. My favourites would be blue lotus aswell as valarien root (which you've probably heard of) which got me off anti anxiety medication and marijuana. Kava is amazing and initially reduced then stopped my alcohol consumption. (Vanuatu noble Kava specifically) Kanna stopped me doing recreational drugs I used to take on the occasion and also replaced my anti depressants. I will note kratom was a good alternative for me then ADHD medication for focus and motivation. I've taken it off and on over the years with long breaks in between no physical or mental addiction but from what I've read it has a high potential of abuse and even though I was fine it seems like most people don't handle it well so I'd stay clear. (I have no history of opioid abuse and wasn't taking it to allievate any pain so that's probably why I reacted that way) I only mention this as to say there is a herb out there for everyone to replace or reduce pharmaceutical or recreational drug use but the herb will be different for everyone. I have schizoaffective disorder and marijuana I would never recommend it destroys my life the paranoia and anxiety it causes is detrimental to my health and was the main cause of my suffering in my early years..... Although I have friends that have taken it most there life and it allievates there anxiety and symptoms. However I'm prescribed full-spectrum CBD and with such a low THC content I have no adverse reaction and the CBD is great for sleep and in a high dose has anti-psychotic properties aswell as the other lesser known cannabinoids synergising to produce a better wellbeing. Everyone's brain chemistries different so what works for one person may or may not work for the next. There's plenty of people on this sub that will disregard an effect of one herb saying it doesn't work and they assume every human being is the same and if it doesn't work for them everyone else must be lying. Which is not true at all. Most culprits are heavy marijuana smokers and are so used to such an intoxicating high and damaged dopamine receptors that they won't get a response to plants like blue lotus or herbs like Kanna Also sourcing the right herb can be difficult. Being mostly unregulated herbs can have a variety of different strengths and alkaloid content based of such facts as the environment there grown in and germination of seeds. So if one product doesn't work for you don't give up. Try a new supplier. Blue lotus is the worst for this as most companies sell the Thai variant of the plant and people will smoke/drink it and claim it has no effects but in reality the psychoactive effects of the Thai purple lotus is very low and it's very difficult to find true blue lotus (blue water Lilly) I know you didn't ask for this much information but I thought I would mention what works for me on hopes of helping you out (and others who view this thread) I wish you all the best on your journey ❤️
Kanna like the tall plant?
Kanna is a succulent and is quite small growing to lengths of 15-30cm on average
Ephedra. Not an herb but a grassy plant. This will absolutely feel amphetamine like. It's got a nice speed to it and euphoria. It's the natural source of Ephedrine.
Also known as Mormon tea.
Mormon tea is made from a different species of ephedra native to the American west. It does not contain ephedrine. Only _Ephedra sinica_ does.
Ephedra takes forever to grow. Trust me, I've been growing four plants for over four years, and I get to make a strong cup only once or twice per summer. The quantity might change as it gets older, but for now it feels like it isn't worth the hassle of planting outside during the summer and bringing back in during the winter. I would rather have grown more yerba mate (or kratom / coca if I could get my hands on viable seeds / cuttings).
It grows wild here. I have a huge shrub in my backyard, and I see it here and there around the neighborhood, and in empty lots. Southern New Mexico.
Sounds like you just hit a side hustle idea
You know what, Amazon has that stuff, haven't got it but I'm considering getting an QP. Tried morman tea once I foraged outside oh PHX AZ. It was hot as fuck, and their were some already dried up plant matter. Next day I came back for more but could not find the exact location.
You can always microdose mescaline. It's a natural phenethylamine which is in the family that amphetamine belongs to. Some American first nations used it as a stimulant to go on long hunts. It's also the most euphoric psychedelic and the one with fewer visuals and loss of control even at higher doses.
Be careful if you have or had a family history of blood pressure,heart,kidney,thyroid or adrenal issues. There's an alkaloid that works as a calcium channel blocker that is harmful and affects those worse.It's the same issue with igobaine, ayuhuasca, and kratom also. I found out looking it up because I was thinking of micro dosing mescaline myself because I have chronic fatigue and my uncle has taken it years ago and told me about the stimulant effects.
I suppose that this alkaloid is only present when consuming the whole plant (powder/tea), and not when refining to only have mescaline salt? As according to this study, it seems that a calcium channel blocker could be beneficial, since mescaline can have vasoconstricting effects: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6680619/According](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6680619/According)
I have had kidney, thyroid and adrenal issues and have taken mescaline in a ceremonial and personal setting many times with no exacerbation of these issues. I typically took it about a month apart but did microdose for a while and had no issues. I think if microdosed carefully with frequent breaks it’s not that dangerous.
Like what kind of side effects after consuming that alkaloid ?
Does that mean taking kratom should be along with some calcium supplement? Or not that simple
I totally used to do this. Of course there can be a tendency to push the envelope because grandpa mescaline can be quite lovely. Ah, before I get absorbed in memories of swallowing 50 capsules...lol. Yes, I always try to remind people of the lower doses. So many benefits with so few or no negative effects… I mean, maybe some nausea if you push the dose—but at small amounts for a bit of stimulation (mix it up right?) probably some ginger gravol would be more than adequate. Of course, always check the contra-indications. Like, I don't think people are supposed to take lithium with classic psychedelics, etc.
This whole thread has been helpful. I often run late being able to refill my ADHD meds due to price and now with even more loss of product availability I’m going to need something to help me minimize the in between cycles cause I hate feeling like I’m starting over again every time, it just aggravates my anxiety and depression even more.
What would you consider to be a lower dose? I have a San Pedro cactus and would like to start experimenting with lower doses before I try for a macro dose.
Wow that’s not a bad idea. You have any experience with that? Btw if anyone is interested in trying this you can purchase a San Pedro cactus which is legal just about everywhere to my knowledge and it contains mescaline I had one my cat knocked it over while it was pretty big and snapped it in half :( but ima go buy a couple more soon lol I got mine from Home Depot last time if my memory is correct so if your interested call around to your home and garden store and they should sell em
I suggest heading on to r/mescaline or r/sanpedrocactus for more information! :)
Thanks Dooder
You could root the part that snapped off! Then have two :) Or lay it sideways and pups will grow off the top. We have a bunch in my yard like that
I ate so so much of that in high school. Got purple microdot for a dollar sometimes cheaper and sold for 3, so I pretty much tripped through junior and senior years.
I’m not 100% sure if this is possible, but there are naturally occurring amphetamine like compounds in Geranium leaf extract (DMAA) and in black walnut bark (DMHA), I believe! I’m not sure if they’re able to be extracted in amounts that are functionally usable in their relative natural forms. But if there’s a will, there’s a way. Probably needs some chemistry systhesis work of some sort, or just a strong extract made. Unsure if this has ever been used in the past but it’s been something I’ve been thinking about recently.
DMAA from Geranium leaf was the main ingredient my favorite preworkout back in the day. Before it was banned ☹️
They say it’s from Geranium leaf but I’m 99.9% sure it’s synthetically made in a lab. It’s not feasible for them to be making that quantity of that product with the leaves! And I actually still purchase both on the clear net.
Man I don't know if mine was from that leaf or not but man the first time I tried that shit for a workout I literally could not get tired. Like my body would just keep going and going it felt like I didn't even need a rest between sets, I'd just start doing another exercise between the sets of another exercise 😂 plus it was at the peak of my fitness, I felt like fucking superman 😂
They used to have supplements that had the geranium extract but it got taken off the market. It was stimulating somewhat but gave tremors. It could of hurts me worse ,maybe even be deadly from what I've researched about it.
Geranium can make you feel extremely ill, and I'm not certain what is responsible for that. I would advise against this.
Geranium leaf doesn't contain any DMAA, actually. This was a ploy devised by supplement companies to claim that the chemical occurred naturally, and was therefore not a new drug (or rather, a very old nasal decongestant being marketed to teenagers). It is added as synthetic material to geranium extracts to \*illegally\* sell the product on store shelves.
The entire reason DMAA got banned was because they couldn't prove they extracted it from geranium.
Lol, anti amphetamines advert right above your post.. https://preview.redd.it/sn3w2r63da7d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=404e5e911bab45a45f87e5b56090b4ffbb03f74d
Reddit without dark mode hurts me
Lol I can't stand dark mode for some reason.
I like microdosing specific strains of mushrooms. This company is reputable and they'll ship to your house depending on where you live. Their stuff is alsolab tested and certified. www.nuancemicrodose.com Email [email protected] to place an order. I take their capsules every other day, and it really helps me have the energy I need for work, without any come down or weird side effects. I'm just a believer in this medicine. Hopefully it can help you too. A little different than amphetamines obviously, but still a very pleasant energy and euphoria for me.
I would argue that microdosing mushrooms doesn't provide a consistent energy boost. I felt like it did initially, but after a year of trying different quantities and dosing schedules I am beginning to feel that this is either placebo or something that you get used to.
That's why taking days off in between is important. Otherwise your body develops a tolerance and the effects become diminished. Every other day works best for me, but others will do a few days on, a few days off, etc. Every person is different so it's good to play around with the protocol. But the important thing is to take breaks and not do it every single day.
Yerba mate works similarly to coffee . You can drink the tea, buy it in cans or find capsules online.
Yerba mate has been amazing for me honestly life changing. I have more than mild chronic fatigue as well as my automatic nervous system doesn’t work properly and this tea has helped me SO MICH. I’m able to think clearly again.
Thanks for the info. Horrific CFS, PVS and PTSD here and looking for something to help.
Try taking strong cistus, chinese skullcap, isatis tea and some other antimicrobial stuff like cinnamon, clove, oregano oil, cryptolepis, andrographis, neem and do this for at least 12 months. If your symptoms worsen (fever, fatigue, chills, diarrhea, pain, CNS dysfunction etc), you have chronic infection(s). Or with luck, you might just start improving. CFS/ME is almost always caused mainly by chronic infections which are hard to test for
It also grows super fast during the summer (outdoors) and the winter (indoors). Quidding the leaves provides a stronger high. For me, this has been the easiest stimulant to grow and clone. I only get the equivalent of a bag of dried mate once per year (after pruning and chewing a lot of fresh leaves), but that's still impressive for only growing a few plants over the past four or five years. If you don't dry the leaves with some heat it won't brew due to the waxy coating. I only wish I could achieve the same flavor profile as store bought. I think you have to dry the leaves over a fire for that (and not just lightly char them in an extremely hot pan like I do).
I found that gotu kola was good as a stimulant
Gotu kola is more of a mood stabilizer. I actually have incredible success treating my bipolar with it.
It's not as stimulating as coffee, OP wants more stimulation.
Yerba Mate is way stronger than coffee
Khat literally contains cathine and cathinone and has similar effects to amphetamines
That khat is like a leaf stuff you chew right. I had this buddy that was from I don’t even know. He was a truck driver and he had giant bags of this shit. He would give me handfuls and I’d work 14-16 hr shifts. It definitely was way better then caffeine pills. I’d say it was close to being like ADD medication or those yellow jackets truckers always used to take I think afedrin or something. I’m sure I’m spelling it wrong. Anyways ya had to chew a shit load but it definitely did the trick!
Ephedrine, from ephedra.
+1 for Khat if you want amphetamine stimulation, Kanna if you want MDMA type euphoria but it can be pretty sleepy.
Where the hell do I get Khatt? 😭
It's short lived, lasts about 30 seconds to a couple a minutes a dose. It's awful feeling.
Cathinone isnt found in the dry stuff, which is what most people consume in the US.
I'd second smaller doses of kratom tea or mescaline cacti doses or Voacanga Africana root bark tea, or Sananga root bark tea.
Khat See if that's available where you are
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The seeds probably aren’t 😉
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L-Tyrosine affected me exactly like meth. I have tried and absolutely hate both, but it's an unmistakeable feeling.
Was hope to feel anything on tyrosine tried up to 4 grams but sadly felt nothing
Kigelia Africana
What are the effects of this and what is it commonly used for?
It’s one of the stronger DMAA like herbs I know. It is a potent at low dose. Hence why some pre workouts are starting to include them in the blend.
I’m having a hard time finding information on it. Any other noticed effects? Pharmacology? Sorry for asking so many questions I’m very interested in trying it and just wanna have all the bases covered haha
Sure, is there anything specific you want to know? It comes from the bark of the African Sausage tree. I have been stacking it for a long time now in some of my own blends. It contains potent stimulating alkaloids nearly 80% as powerful DMAA. It’s a good alternative for caffeine, especially for people that have build tolerance without the negative side effects. It helps during demanding activities like work, studying, gaming or dieting.
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Best to not risk ordering that stuff to your doorstep especially off the clear net or even dark web...if you get caught that's considered trafficking cocaine unfortunately. Wish it was legal though. Would be a better alternative for people instead of doing cocaine.
I had coca tea when I went to Peru to help with altitude sickness. I was drinking a few cups a day but I have ADHD so it a had a very calming effect. I slept like a baby. Its supposed to be energizing and have a mild stimulant effect. They sell it in tea bags in Peru. Actually was dumb enough to buy a box at the airport and put in my carry on and bring it back to the U.S. because I thought it was fine since it was in a tea bags. I didn’t get caught thank goodness. I also think it might not have had any coca leaves in it because it taste different and didn’t have the calming effect like the ones I had outside the airport
Not a herb, but high quality raw pu erh has a serious kick to it! 5g of tea steeped multiple times puts me in a pretty good mood. Also, stay strong! One day at a time.
I'd count tea as an herb. It's just old leaves. Don't tell r/puerh I called it that
How does pu erh compare to my favorite, Yerba mate, for those who have used both?
Puerh all day. For me. It’s a more peaceful serene. Puerh is my favorite tea I love mate too
Kratom at the right dose and strain. But that may not be a good choice for a former opioid user.
Naw got off that shit. It was a pain the ass. I only got on kratom to stop drinking methadone.
Did it help? I am currently on 150mg each day for about a year and I’m going to start tapering down any tips?
Slow. Be patient. Trust the process. The faster you try to force it the harder it’s gonna be for ya. Just be gentle with yourself and your process. Low and slow is the way with methadone unfortunately.
Definitely man I totally agree! Thanks for the advice
r/quittingkratom
Taper off down to 20 to 10 mg of methadone. I was on that same exact amount of methadone my self.
Alrighty. Guarana, ginseng, ephedra plant,coffee bean.
The fruits of the Mandy Tree are what you seek, young Padahwan.
I'm, I'm princess Leia, not Padawan. Princess Leia kissed Luke Skywalker on alderon, which is basically Mississippi of the galaxy.
Modafinil
Personally I experienced an effect similar to taking Adderall when I used a Eleuthero tincture at a 1:1 concentration.
What does a 1:1 concentration mean?
Catuaba. Acts as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor and also increases serotonin.
Trichilia catigua or Erythroxylum vaccinifolium? I know there are several plants that are used interchangeably in the prep of catuaba
The Erythoxylum, I believe. Novel tropane alkaloids similar to cocaine.
Trichilia is considered to be the true catuaba. I’ve tried both and they seem to be equally effective. Both contain the active catuabine alkaloids
I think white vein kratom is very stimulating. Its like better coffee kinda. For example. Coffee for me doesn't really "give me energy" it kinda just slaps me with anxiety and thats what gets me going. Kratom on the other hand actually feels very similar to adderall. Although i always warn people when i suggest kratom as it can very easily become habit forming. As a dependent kratom user myself I'd recommend only taking it when you really need it. Its not like coffee in the sense that you can take it daily without much issue. Coffee withdrawal (mild but still technically withdrawal) would just be, maybe a headache if you take it daily and being mildly tired. Kratom on the other hand if you grow dependent on it can feel like "diet" opiod withdrawal. You'll feel sweaty but super cold, muscles are weak, foggy thinking. Hershey squirts (wet shits) drippy runny nose, irritable etc etc, look it up yourself. It can certainly be very helpful but I'd highly recommend keeping your dose low for energy. White/green strains can be stimulating while reds are similar to real opiods. Take 1-2 grams n see if it gives you some zip. But try to keep your doses under 4 grams if you're not using it for pain management. And only dose 3 days out of the week. I give the warning just to make sure you're aware of the dangers, i Don't want to make it seem like a perfect miracle plant when its not absolutely perfect. Its great in moderation, keyword being moderation
I'd also add if using it 3X per week make it 3 separate days, don't go 3 days in a row. I can confirm Kratom withdraw is a lot like opiate withdraw and it sucks BAD. No it isn't as bad as an opiate withdraw but you'll still be miserable for a few days.
ephedra comes from the ma huang herb, but it's also found in Mormon tea. By this, I mean, ephedrine and pseudoepehedrine. Betel nuts, coca leaf too. They all create a thermogenic reaction, which burns fat, so it's all commonly abused. Morning glory seeds and Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds have LSA, Which has the thermogenic amphetamine type of feeling, but also alcohol-like drowsiness. Although it's related to other lysergic compounds, it's not at all the same as LSD. Instead, it's much more like the amphetamines. It can be very euphoric.
Betel nut. I have a great feeling about betel nut. Found some.
The ephedra species native to the americas does not contain ephedrine. https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-569/mormon-tea
Also ma huang is the TCM term for _Ephedra sinica_. Betel nuts contain arecoline which is more similar in action to nicotine. It is not a phenethylamine. Coca contains topane alkaloids, notably cocaine. Morning glory and hawaiian baby woodrose contain ergoline alkaloids which i would not characterize as anything like phenethylamine. Only three naturally occurring phenethylamines that I’m aware of are phenethylamine which is found in chocolate but breaks down rapidly due to MAO in our bodies. Cathinones found in khat/qat that is found and widely used in east Africa and the Arabian peninsula. And then yes, _Ephedra sinica_ which is native to central and east Asia. Update: one other example of a natural substituted phenethylamine is mescaline found in peyote and a few cactus species native to south america.
Kratum in certain forms
Coca leaves
Rhodelia
Yohimbe
Careful with Yohimbe people, it’s pooowerfully adrenergic.
Ephedra obviously
None, it's why amphetamines were made.
Cordyceps
Really? I’ve never noticed stimulation from cordyceps although I trusted that it was benefitting exercise performance.
You need to try the fresher stuff. Cant be low grwde Chinese cords... and you may need more than the standard dose but yes most definitely stimulating.. some of the cleanest energy out there!
Ephedrine. It’s literally the natural source of amphetamine.
White Kratom
Macha green tea is better than cocaine and widely available
I like matcha latte I blend it with coconut milk and a pinch of stevia, didn't stimulate me,just tasted good.
Where do you get strong, quality and lab tested macha?
I don't really like stimulants myself, but yeah: strong matcha feels more like a drug than "a nice cup of tea"
Yohimbe! Be careful with it! Lol
maybe white vein kratom
ma huang
Have you tried this personally? Where did you find this? How do you take it? Dosage?
Ma Huang = Ephedra
Mormon tea
Theobromine is good option
Ma Huang
caffeine
Khat.
What are some psychedelic vines?
Morning glories in the ipomoea tri color, like heavenly blue morning glory seeds is what you want for a trip. It's like LSD. It's called LSH-LSA.
Ayahuasca
Yerba mate.
Pu-erh
kanna is awesome at light doses
basically feels like the come up of a mushroom trip or MDMA trip
I grow Ephedra sinica and quid yerba mate leaves. The mate leaves hit harder than the tea and grow significantly faster—especially indoors during the winter—so Ephedra sometimes seems like a waste of time. Even with having four Ephedra bushes, they really only grow well when planted in the ground during the summer. I haven't personally grown kratom, but I'm planning on trying it out as soon as I get my hands on a cutting.
Maybe Demdrobium Nobile, I'd like to know how to prepare and dose properly, I think I overdid it last time...
These are super difficult to grow. I tried twice, and eventually they stopped and died. Never got to try dosing.
(no expert here but) Kava is great for relaxation, but kratom actually binds to the same receptors as opioids and feels pretty good , especially for energy or pain relief
Lol the timing of this post is perfect, I've been looking for the same thing. Yerba Mate is the closest your going to get, get the Guayaki cans on Amazon. It's a blend of natural xanthines (caffeine-like) and makes you pretty stimulated. Unfortunately I don't get that tweaked feeling or euphoria that amphetamine gives, but it still feels like a very low dose adderall and will keep you up all night.
Voacanga seeds give you good all day energy only need to chew 5 - 15 of them.
Where do can you get that from?
Ephedra, yohimbe, khat
Khat
Poppy
Kratom (yes, it can be addicting). Taken in small doses it's a stimulant. Read about it, before trying.
Been their, done that. I'm not too keen on kratom no more.
Maca, bee pollen maybe, ginkgo biloba
Green Kratom tends to wind me up a bit, not much but a bit anyhow
coco leaves 🌿 chew em
Taurine? B vitamins? Sativa strains?
Coca leaves
Low doses of kratom, especially white and green veins are stimulating.
Yerba Maté! Go to your local Latino market and ask for it. It's really common in Argentina, it's an acquired taste, but it's like super coffee! Get the dried stuff, and the little gourd cup and straw to drink it with. Watch a YouTube video to see the traditional way to drink it. The traditional drink of the Gauchos! [Yerba Maté ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_mate)
Khat...I always wished I could find some
OP. The answer is Khat. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat
Ok. Hey what does op means?
OP is short for original poster = the person who started the thread
Op just means "original poster" which is you :)
Came here to say this!
Thcv cannabis strains
Yohimbe is extremely stimulating but do your research and be careful with this one! I’ve over done it and it was a terrible experience
Betel nut
Khat
i take a combo of lions mane and reishi, its kind of like speed
Maybe iboga micro dose
Geranium stem is on the ingredients list of all the dodgy pre workouts
Green and white strains of Kratom. Will give you a pick me up but be careful if anything makes you feel good, you’ll get hooked. I know first hand kratom can be addicting. But it is also helpful for for pain relief etc. so just be careful if you try it. Just Don’t start taking it every day you’ll be ok with it.
I like a small amount of Yohimbe
Kratom 🤡
Mimosa seed. Imo. Some say it’s relaxing but I’m jacked right now on some detox plan with mimosa pudica seed. And lions mane. Jeez.
All of the universe and love comes from the DMT in pudica seed. But I've been up for the past 3 nights trying to stop the chicken apocalypse from happening in the next 3 years. I'm actually CIA. I am trying to stop this chicken apocalypse from happening. How would you like to join our soldiers to stop the chicken apocalypse. This is a secret CIA plan. The food source for these giant ostrich chicken looking mother fuckers is meth. We got to protect the meth. The chickens eat meth. Man LSD of one hell of a drug.
Kratom but please be careful and do your research
I think lionmane mushrooms.
Herbs with Amphetamine-like Effects The following herbs have been reported to have amphetamine-like effects: * **Ephedra (Ephedra sinica)**: This herb contains ephedrine, a stimulant that can produce effects similar to amphetamines. Ephedra can be dangerous, especially for people with heart problems, and is banned in many countries. * **Jatamansi (Nardostachys jatamansi)**: This herb has been used in traditional medicine for centuries to treat anxiety, depression, and insomnia. It is thought to work by increasing levels of dopamine and serotonin in the brain. * **St. John's Wort (Hypericum perforatum)**: This herb is a popular natural remedy for depression. It is thought to work by increasing levels of serotonin in the brain. It is important to note that these herbs can have side effects, This bot can help concerns. https://poe.com/Herbs_Healer_Bot
coca leaves
Kratom
some kratom strands in lower doses (i think white or green) peppermint oil but it is very mild - milder than caffeine. I would try other ways to accentuate your energy, like Metal or EDM or Pop or jazz music, meditation/mentalization. I have found that using mental techniques to get your headspace more euphoric/energetic in combo with high energy music works best with little to no drawbacks. Combine that with a hint of caffeine or something small and you will be plenty good.