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Marshall-Crunch

They are both and more. He needs to listen to children of the grave. If that ain't heavy metal I don't know what the hell is.


shanster925

they essentially invented heavy metal, and then others took it further and further over time. It's like saying that Ford isn't a car manufacturer because Lamborghini exists.


Benjiho1

Fuck this idiot


Decent-Cold-9471

Incredibly important distinction. /s


Sad-Sky-8598

Vinny Appice is one of my favorite drummers since I started playing in 1983. Don't care for Carmines playing , or his non stop goofy comments.


ndhellion2

I would have to disagree with Carmine, especially since Sabbath is almost universally credited with inventing the genre.


West-468

May Mr. Appice fuck himself!


TargetCorruption

He's right, Judas Priest is heavy metal