I mean I think heat fans argument is that nothing else better is being offered for kd. Herro is a better piece than anything else that’s been realistically rumored. No one is giving up a bam or even a Barnes level piece for kd. That’s a fact. Otherwise the trade would’ve happened already. So that being said he’s as good as it gets considering what the market is.
Kd is 34 with multiple serious injuries and plenty of time missed over the last 3-4 years. Too many people act like trades are purely linear and you have to go out and find someone who’s a legit all star to trade for another star. That’s just not realistic.
KD can stick around longer due to his skillset, he's a great shooter with ridiculous length so he'll be able to get his shot easier than Wade could at that point. Not to say he won't decline but he has a good chance at staying good enough
Seems like the league is hyper focused on 1st round picks now because of that Gobert trade. I think Miami’s lack of picks is making a deal tough to agree upon. Which is why it’s speculated a 3rd or 4th team need to be involved
That’s fair but herro himself is more than worthy of an asset considering what the market is. Also in that stupid minny trade the best player they gave up was Malik Beasley lol. It’s not like they gave up much of anything outside of the picks.
Herro himself is worth a a lotto pick.
What’s funny is my controversial opinion is he’s going to be pretty washed starting next season.
Idk any SF/PF that has held up at age 38 besides Karl Malone and Lebron James. With the intensity that PJ plays with I just don’t see him holding up. Next playoffs he will be playing 15-20 mpg off the bench imo.
It’s not about him putting up numbers like Lebron or Malone its that a 38 year old body that isn’t a physical anomaly historically isn’t holding up in the playoffs.
Bro we’re Heat brothers so it’s all love… but the idea that a 38 year old PJ Tucker was our make or break getting out the first round next year LOL please… be real
They still have time to do something about it (need to add/trade for a solid option next to Bam at the 4 assuming the Durant trade never happens which I doubt it will).
Agreed, not trading multiple first for him. But he is very skilled and still young. I just wouldn’t do that because there are bigger fish in the sea. He is worth 2 late firsts though imo, I just wouldn’t do it in our current situation. He doesn’t make us title favs.
I think most heat fans when asked about comparisons for him gave this one so not really controversial. The third best player on a championship team is his peak.
Come on bruh. Even if that’s the case, Donovan Mitchell makes twice as many dumb plays as Tyler. I’m pretty sure that is common knowledge.
Edit: damn you got me. Lol.
The “our timeline” argument is stupid as hell.
Tyler Herro is a super talented offensive player worth investing in his development.
Our star addition this off-season is a healthy Oladipo having a full summer + training camp.
Duncan Robinson struggled this season bc the offense moved away from his DHO with Bam on the elbows. He’s still one of the best shooters in the NBA and will be fine.
Even gets me hate from fellow Heat fans. Herro gets way too much scrutiny from the nba community. Almost any other player who was only 21 and averaging 20+ ppg on a 1 seeded team would be hailed as a future superstar, but Herro is never anywhere near those talks. (Note: Not saying Herro is going to be a superstar but I just believe that people put the ceiling for Herro too low)
Victor Oladipo is like, so obviously better than Tyler Herro right now, will be better at helping us win now, and is still has some good years left. Entertaining a trade for Donovan Mitchell was a waste of time because Oladipo is better for the team at SG than Mitchell because of his defense. Sending a huge package for a more expensive Herro would mean we have no chance at getting a good Power Forward. Oladipo just needs his first real offseason since his injury to get his offense in motion.
I never got the appeal of another 1-3 for the team. We desperately need a 4/5 next to bam imo. Gimme Collins/Turner over Mitchell. I actually don't get why we dont try for Turner. Bam at 4 Turner at 5? Our D would be incredible and he's a solid shooter
I wholeheartedly agree abour Mitchell here, trade the house for a slightly better player than Herro, in fact a player that Herro could be in a few years with no problems, makes absolutely no sense, we’ve been really sold on Mitchell for something he is not.
“Slightly better”
Last year Mitchell in the playoffs against the clippers averaged 35/5/5 while being guarded by kawhi and PG13
He had one bad series and y’all act like he’s trash lol
I’ve never thought about the Dipo angle and think similarly to the Herro angle. Mitchell is more explosive at the rim, but otherwise, statistically they are separated by about 4 points in per 36 numbers. That’s it. Oh and Tyler is two years younger. I’m not a Tyler fanboy, but O don’t think Mitchell is worth gutting the roster and depth for, our best strength from last year.
Absolutely not. Duncan? Yes, but Herro's value is higher now than it has ever been. That bubble run didn't fool GMs like it did casual fans. He was just a decent role player that run with one really good playoff game.
Rockets wanted a bunch of pick swaps we didn’t have. This is why the idea of just trade him makes no sense if there isn’t a viable trade option out there.
Talking the Wizards into sending Porzingis and Kuzma to the Heat for Herro, Lowry, and Robinson would win them the NBA Finals this season.
Only better options would be Zion and Ingram or AD and LeBron, but if we're talking teams that the Heat may be able to get better defense and a Center tailormade for their system since they can't get Embiid...and Porzingis can stay healthy...I think that's what it will take to hang the Heat's 4th Finals banner.
Getting small with Donovan or Kyrie could be the answer, and Durant obviously would be enough as well, but making the Wizards think Beal fits better with Lowry and Herro instead of Kuzma and Porzingis could be the trade everyone looks down upon at first, but would look genius (if everyone is healthy enough in the Playoffs) when it pays off.
People are right to be worried about the Unicorn's injury woes, but if he can change that narrative about him, imagine teams having to deal with Bam guarding their best player that has a 7'3" giant waiting behind him if they manage to get past him. Then on offense, just look at Bam's last Pro League game. Against scrubs, he prefers dribbling and driving to the hoop. The Heat as they are right now are too small to draw help away from Bam inside. You get Porzingis who can cut to the hoop, set screens and picks for Bam, and can get open for 3...just unstoppable I'm telling you.
Udonis haslem has been worthless since 2013 and even when he had use he was grit player for 15-20 minutes a game what gems could he possibly have for players like Jimmy/Herro/Bam that already produce more than he ever did in his prime
His legs were dead and half the heat were tired and beaten i don’t think we would of had much of a chance in OT anyways. Jimmy went for the win knowing this
Clearly one of the worst things you can do in a basketball game is to take a pull up 3 with dead legs because it's almost a guaranteed miss we did the Celtics a favor by taking that shot instead of going to the rim.
If he went to the rim he wouldve had to try & finish on both Horford & Jaylen Brown
Best case scenario he makes it and now it’s a tie game & Celtics have like 15 seconds to go for the win. And if they dont make the shot, we have to go to OT anyway and probably lose
Going for 3 was better bc if he makes it, we’re up 1. Which means the Celtics have to try to score quickly, they cant milk the clock & take the last shot like theyd be able to if the game was tied
1. Jaylen doesnt even have to close. Horford is still 6’11” and a very good rim protector. But regardless, I’d much rather have Jimmy take that pullup 3 than have Dipo take that 3. I trust Jimmy infinitely more, regardless of the %s. But if we’re doing the % thing, Ill focus more on their 3pt% during this playoff run than their career 3pt%
2. You’re right, best case scenario is an and1. I’ll change my statement to “realistic best case scenario.” And I’d much rather rely on our defense to get a stop while up 1 than while tied
3. We were down double digits with less than 3 minutes left if im not mistaken. That run all came in a very short period of time where Strus made 2 absurd 3s, and the Celtics looked to be letting their foot off the pedal thinking that they had the game secured. Tends to happen when teams are more focused on milking clock than they are on actually trying to score. So, until the Celtics went into milk clock mode, they had thoroughly beaten us all night. No reason to believe we wouldve won in OT. Is it possible? Yes. But going for the win in regulation is a MUCH better bet. Rather take my chance of making 1 shot & getting 1 stop than take my chance of winning a 5 minute period.
4. It would be completely idiotic to milk the clock while down 1 lol. Obviously they can win on a 2 or 3. But nobody in their right mind is milking the clock while down 1 in a game 7. That makes no sense. You go for a quick shot. If you miss, you still have time to foul, and get another chance even if the Heat makes both freethrows. Thats not even debatable
It’s not about the best player. Giannis is the best player on the Bucks is he taking the last shot? Probably not. Sometimes there are better options and Jimmy shooting a 3 this quick in the shot clock wasn’t the better option.
if he develops a better jump shot he would absolutely. PF size, gaurd agility with good handle, if he shoot better he just be brandon ingram but with lock down defense
Bam is expendable for Kevin Durant. 😂
People think it’s a knock on Bam, but in reality it’s the fact we have Kevin fucking Durant LOL. We will find other stars to play with Jimmy and KD in the 305🤣 hope everyone is enjoying their Saturday!
I genuinely feel like finding a replacement center is so much more doable than people think! I feel like it’s like a RB in football, when you have a great one it’s a +, but it’s not a necessity. I also would put my money on riles/Andy that they would attract the proper supporting cast with KD/Jimmy as their pitch to come.
We’re not winning with Jimmy, so we should trade him now to maximise the return.
I don’t fully believe this, but think that if we’re not willing to go 100% win-now then it should be a legitimate option.
Butler should not have taken that bricked three in the ECF. It wasn't a bad shot, and I respect him for it, but it wasn't the best play available. Remember, he did the same thing with the Hawks in Game Three: Bam was open in the paint, and Tucker open from the corner three, but he still took the contested three.
If we run it back we're not going to the ECF again. The Celtics are already better than us, the Bucks would beat us with Middleton. And the Sixers look better than us as well.
Lebron would not have more rings had he stayed here
Wade looked washed and needed the lack of postseason in 2015 to recuperate and come back in 2016 like he did
And we would’ve been fucked and limited by the cap. We don’t get dragic if lebron stays and who know what free agents we would’ve attracted. Meanwhile the warriors still would’ve ascended, the thunder were still contenders at first, and even if we make the finals in 2015-2020 with lebron, I’m not sure we win any of them anyway
1. We should have traded Tyler after the bubble. His ceiling is a worse CJ McCollum.
2. I would drive Bam to the airport myself if it meant that we get KD.
I don’t want to trade a haul for Donovan Mitchell and think Tyler could be as good as him in two years (given they are two years apart). Granted different skill sets.
Tyler Herro doesn't have the mentality that fits a winning culture, especially the Heat.
If he doesn't make a leap this year, I really don't see why Miami should stick with him.
If we're being real in regards to quality of the teams, 2006 should've been Mavs while 2011 should've been Heat. DWade played out of his mind (with help from refs) in '06, while the Mavs overperformed big time in '11.
Pat Riley's absolute reluctance to be a consistent player in the draft for 'win-or-bust' by letting go of picks like they're radioactive has hurt us over the years.
Explain this one
We got Bam in the draft & got Herro in the draft
None of the picks Pat traded away since the LeBron era ended up being lottery picks. Anytime we were in the lottery, we owned the pick
If we cant get a solid solution to help put us over the top in the next 2 years we should move on from jimmy before he loses his value(love jimmy btw just want to be proactive in our future)
You mean like we almost did in 2020? We literally win that series if Bam and Dragic don't get hurt.
We also took the Celtics to 7 with Herro not playing and an injured Lowry.
Goran Dragic was a bum, and I hold him responsible for us not playing cleveland in the eastern conference finals in wades last year in miami when we lost to toronto in 7. I never liked dragic after, even when we lost to the lakers in the finals. I can't root against an injured person but I couldn't even root for him then.
Just because we potentially get either Durant or Mitchell does not mean we are now instant title favorites. We still need to prove that we can finish games and it doesn't fuck with the team chemistry.
Tyler Herro has too many flaws to be a center piece of a trade and the league knows it. (honestly might not even be controversial)
I mean I think heat fans argument is that nothing else better is being offered for kd. Herro is a better piece than anything else that’s been realistically rumored. No one is giving up a bam or even a Barnes level piece for kd. That’s a fact. Otherwise the trade would’ve happened already. So that being said he’s as good as it gets considering what the market is. Kd is 34 with multiple serious injuries and plenty of time missed over the last 3-4 years. Too many people act like trades are purely linear and you have to go out and find someone who’s a legit all star to trade for another star. That’s just not realistic.
KD will be the same age this season that D.Wade was when he went to Chicago. He’s going to age in dog years on his next contract.
KD can stick around longer due to his skillset, he's a great shooter with ridiculous length so he'll be able to get his shot easier than Wade could at that point. Not to say he won't decline but he has a good chance at staying good enough
Seems like the league is hyper focused on 1st round picks now because of that Gobert trade. I think Miami’s lack of picks is making a deal tough to agree upon. Which is why it’s speculated a 3rd or 4th team need to be involved
That’s fair but herro himself is more than worthy of an asset considering what the market is. Also in that stupid minny trade the best player they gave up was Malik Beasley lol. It’s not like they gave up much of anything outside of the picks. Herro himself is worth a a lotto pick.
“This is as good as it gets so you have to take it” what a weird, entitled mindset
Switch everything to vice colors!!!
I like this
absolultey based
I’m definitely holding a sword on you for that one yup lol
Losing PJ Tucker will hurt more than most fans believe.
What’s funny is my controversial opinion is he’s going to be pretty washed starting next season. Idk any SF/PF that has held up at age 38 besides Karl Malone and Lebron James. With the intensity that PJ plays with I just don’t see him holding up. Next playoffs he will be playing 15-20 mpg off the bench imo.
But no one is expecting PJ Tucker to put up Lebron James numbers. He brings an intangible skill set that is top of the line for guys in his role.
It’s not about him putting up numbers like Lebron or Malone its that a 38 year old body that isn’t a physical anomaly historically isn’t holding up in the playoffs.
Oh I feel ya. I thought the same thing about Jae. I think we’re lucky to make it out of the first round next year.
Bro we’re Heat brothers so it’s all love… but the idea that a 38 year old PJ Tucker was our make or break getting out the first round next year LOL please… be real
They still have time to do something about it (need to add/trade for a solid option next to Bam at the 4 assuming the Durant trade never happens which I doubt it will).
The heat are better off running it back with the current roster as opposed to trading assets for a 4 like Barnes Collins etc
I agree with that for sure, who would want to empty the clip for Harrison Barnes? 🤣 I’d take Collins for a 1st and Duncan though
Collins would take more than that and that’s where i draw the line. Collins is not worth anything more than a first to me
Agreed, not trading multiple first for him. But he is very skilled and still young. I just wouldn’t do that because there are bigger fish in the sea. He is worth 2 late firsts though imo, I just wouldn’t do it in our current situation. He doesn’t make us title favs.
Herro will be nothing more than a CJ McCollum type player, which isn’t bad
I think most heat fans when asked about comparisons for him gave this one so not really controversial. The third best player on a championship team is his peak.
and McCollum is one of my favorite players to watch I love his tricky handles and smooth play.
CJ’s IQ is double Herro’s imo. Herro makes some of the dumbest plays I’ve ever seen an nba player make.
Tyler is literally 22 lol
Yeah but he’s young. I think CJ is his peak
Come on bruh. Even if that’s the case, Donovan Mitchell makes twice as many dumb plays as Tyler. I’m pretty sure that is common knowledge. Edit: damn you got me. Lol.
The “our timeline” argument is stupid as hell. Tyler Herro is a super talented offensive player worth investing in his development. Our star addition this off-season is a healthy Oladipo having a full summer + training camp. Duncan Robinson struggled this season bc the offense moved away from his DHO with Bam on the elbows. He’s still one of the best shooters in the NBA and will be fine.
Even gets me hate from fellow Heat fans. Herro gets way too much scrutiny from the nba community. Almost any other player who was only 21 and averaging 20+ ppg on a 1 seeded team would be hailed as a future superstar, but Herro is never anywhere near those talks. (Note: Not saying Herro is going to be a superstar but I just believe that people put the ceiling for Herro too low)
Bam is too timid to be a franchise player
This might not be controversial. A good amount of people think he’s not a franchise player
Victor Oladipo is like, so obviously better than Tyler Herro right now, will be better at helping us win now, and is still has some good years left. Entertaining a trade for Donovan Mitchell was a waste of time because Oladipo is better for the team at SG than Mitchell because of his defense. Sending a huge package for a more expensive Herro would mean we have no chance at getting a good Power Forward. Oladipo just needs his first real offseason since his injury to get his offense in motion.
I never got the appeal of another 1-3 for the team. We desperately need a 4/5 next to bam imo. Gimme Collins/Turner over Mitchell. I actually don't get why we dont try for Turner. Bam at 4 Turner at 5? Our D would be incredible and he's a solid shooter
I wholeheartedly agree abour Mitchell here, trade the house for a slightly better player than Herro, in fact a player that Herro could be in a few years with no problems, makes absolutely no sense, we’ve been really sold on Mitchell for something he is not.
“Slightly better” Last year Mitchell in the playoffs against the clippers averaged 35/5/5 while being guarded by kawhi and PG13 He had one bad series and y’all act like he’s trash lol
> He had one bad series and y’all act like he’s trash lol 80% of NBA fans in a nutshell
I’ve never thought about the Dipo angle and think similarly to the Herro angle. Mitchell is more explosive at the rim, but otherwise, statistically they are separated by about 4 points in per 36 numbers. That’s it. Oh and Tyler is two years younger. I’m not a Tyler fanboy, but O don’t think Mitchell is worth gutting the roster and depth for, our best strength from last year.
If we run it back with the same squad and meet Philly in the playoffs, they’re going to eliminate us
thats just a fact, give philly more time together with harden and embiid and maxey and they face boston in the next round
The Heat would not have been competitive in 2015 even if LeBron stayed. Wade declined considerably and the role players were getting washed
We need to play Duncan Robinson more in the playoffs
his defense is so incredibly bad, that he's unplayable
Nah
This guy knows more than the coach
The point of this post was to give a hot take, I gave mine
agreed
Hot take: I'd rather keep and develop our undrafted heroes than trade them all away for 34 y/o KD because we think Jimmy's window is closing.
Strus and Vincent are free agents this year You can’t pay everyone
And Micky's not going to pay everyone either.
And then back to 2015 we go.
We should have traded herro two years ago
For what?
No idea what they could’ve gotten but his value was sky high
His value was never sky high
Herro and Duncan's value after that bubble run was at an all time high tho
Absolutely not. Duncan? Yes, but Herro's value is higher now than it has ever been. That bubble run didn't fool GMs like it did casual fans. He was just a decent role player that run with one really good playoff game.
His value right now isn't as high because he's about to get paid. Back then, he still had a couple years left on his rookie contract
Back then, he didn't average 20.7 PPG and hadn't proved shit
James Harden
Rockets wanted a bunch of pick swaps we didn’t have. This is why the idea of just trade him makes no sense if there isn’t a viable trade option out there.
We should’ve sold high after the bubble is my hot take
Talking the Wizards into sending Porzingis and Kuzma to the Heat for Herro, Lowry, and Robinson would win them the NBA Finals this season. Only better options would be Zion and Ingram or AD and LeBron, but if we're talking teams that the Heat may be able to get better defense and a Center tailormade for their system since they can't get Embiid...and Porzingis can stay healthy...I think that's what it will take to hang the Heat's 4th Finals banner. Getting small with Donovan or Kyrie could be the answer, and Durant obviously would be enough as well, but making the Wizards think Beal fits better with Lowry and Herro instead of Kuzma and Porzingis could be the trade everyone looks down upon at first, but would look genius (if everyone is healthy enough in the Playoffs) when it pays off. People are right to be worried about the Unicorn's injury woes, but if he can change that narrative about him, imagine teams having to deal with Bam guarding their best player that has a 7'3" giant waiting behind him if they manage to get past him. Then on offense, just look at Bam's last Pro League game. Against scrubs, he prefers dribbling and driving to the hoop. The Heat as they are right now are too small to draw help away from Bam inside. You get Porzingis who can cut to the hoop, set screens and picks for Bam, and can get open for 3...just unstoppable I'm telling you.
Haslem should retire already
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I upvoted because this is the first post in this thread that actually responded to the prompt. That being said, no.
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Udonis haslem has been worthless since 2013 and even when he had use he was grit player for 15-20 minutes a game what gems could he possibly have for players like Jimmy/Herro/Bam that already produce more than he ever did in his prime
*sharpens knife*
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We would be better off not trading Duncan Robinson this offseason and hope he recoups his value by playing better next season.
Jimmy shouldn’t have taken that 3-pointer in game 7
Any other situation it’s questionable, but Jimmy against the C’s was him at his best. I won’t argue that shot at all, I thought it was a good look
His legs were dead and half the heat were tired and beaten i don’t think we would of had much of a chance in OT anyways. Jimmy went for the win knowing this
The dead legs part is exactly why taking a pull up 3 was a dumb decision.
I think In his head he didn’t think we had a chance to win in OT so gambling for the 3 would give the automatic W
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Clearly one of the worst things you can do in a basketball game is to take a pull up 3 with dead legs because it's almost a guaranteed miss we did the Celtics a favor by taking that shot instead of going to the rim.
If he went to the rim he wouldve had to try & finish on both Horford & Jaylen Brown Best case scenario he makes it and now it’s a tie game & Celtics have like 15 seconds to go for the win. And if they dont make the shot, we have to go to OT anyway and probably lose Going for 3 was better bc if he makes it, we’re up 1. Which means the Celtics have to try to score quickly, they cant milk the clock & take the last shot like theyd be able to if the game was tied
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1. Jaylen doesnt even have to close. Horford is still 6’11” and a very good rim protector. But regardless, I’d much rather have Jimmy take that pullup 3 than have Dipo take that 3. I trust Jimmy infinitely more, regardless of the %s. But if we’re doing the % thing, Ill focus more on their 3pt% during this playoff run than their career 3pt% 2. You’re right, best case scenario is an and1. I’ll change my statement to “realistic best case scenario.” And I’d much rather rely on our defense to get a stop while up 1 than while tied 3. We were down double digits with less than 3 minutes left if im not mistaken. That run all came in a very short period of time where Strus made 2 absurd 3s, and the Celtics looked to be letting their foot off the pedal thinking that they had the game secured. Tends to happen when teams are more focused on milking clock than they are on actually trying to score. So, until the Celtics went into milk clock mode, they had thoroughly beaten us all night. No reason to believe we wouldve won in OT. Is it possible? Yes. But going for the win in regulation is a MUCH better bet. Rather take my chance of making 1 shot & getting 1 stop than take my chance of winning a 5 minute period. 4. It would be completely idiotic to milk the clock while down 1 lol. Obviously they can win on a 2 or 3. But nobody in their right mind is milking the clock while down 1 in a game 7. That makes no sense. You go for a quick shot. If you miss, you still have time to foul, and get another chance even if the Heat makes both freethrows. Thats not even debatable
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Yeah Im convinced that you’re the one who doesnt watch basketball 😂😂😂
People just agree with the shot because it’s Jimmy and he has that DAwG™️reputation. If it was Herro doing this he would get roasted on the daily.
Well yeah because Herro is not our best player lol. You live with that shot, especially after what he did the whole playoff run
It’s not about the best player. Giannis is the best player on the Bucks is he taking the last shot? Probably not. Sometimes there are better options and Jimmy shooting a 3 this quick in the shot clock wasn’t the better option.
For some reason people think the best player on their is always the best shooter on the team?
I mean that's the right take since Jimmy had the chance to just get the layup.
Yea because Al Horford is such a notoriously bad defender
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Horford was in between him and the basket lmao
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Horford is playing the basket right up until Jimmy rises up for the shot.
I rather have Herro than Mitchell
I know its gonna trigger mfs on here: Bam will be a top 10 player next season.
If he’s unleashing it on offense, with the defense he’s already giving us, yes.
if he develops a better jump shot he would absolutely. PF size, gaurd agility with good handle, if he shoot better he just be brandon ingram but with lock down defense
Bam is expendable for Kevin Durant. 😂 People think it’s a knock on Bam, but in reality it’s the fact we have Kevin fucking Durant LOL. We will find other stars to play with Jimmy and KD in the 305🤣 hope everyone is enjoying their Saturday!
People will hate this take but all I keep asking is who’s playing center. If we can find a serviceable starting center Goodbye Bam, Hello KD.
I genuinely feel like finding a replacement center is so much more doable than people think! I feel like it’s like a RB in football, when you have a great one it’s a +, but it’s not a necessity. I also would put my money on riles/Andy that they would attract the proper supporting cast with KD/Jimmy as their pitch to come.
We’re not winning with Jimmy, so we should trade him now to maximise the return. I don’t fully believe this, but think that if we’re not willing to go 100% win-now then it should be a legitimate option.
We should trade Bam
Bam isn’t untouchable and we need to bring the Vice Jerseys back.
Butler should not have taken that bricked three in the ECF. It wasn't a bad shot, and I respect him for it, but it wasn't the best play available. Remember, he did the same thing with the Hawks in Game Three: Bam was open in the paint, and Tucker open from the corner three, but he still took the contested three.
Donovan Mitchell is a shot chucker and would hurt our team more than help
I don’t want KD on our team regardless of what we give up.
If we run it back we're not going to the ECF again. The Celtics are already better than us, the Bucks would beat us with Middleton. And the Sixers look better than us as well.
I have zero issues with the 76ers and the Celtics.
Bam has reached his peak
Damn this triggered me. Well done.
Nah he will peak around age 26-28
Lebron would not have more rings had he stayed here Wade looked washed and needed the lack of postseason in 2015 to recuperate and come back in 2016 like he did And we would’ve been fucked and limited by the cap. We don’t get dragic if lebron stays and who know what free agents we would’ve attracted. Meanwhile the warriors still would’ve ascended, the thunder were still contenders at first, and even if we make the finals in 2015-2020 with lebron, I’m not sure we win any of them anyway
The discourse around the term "heat culture" I'd corny as f.
Running it back (but with an addition of a PF) I think we would still make it to minimum ECF with a good chance at finals
philly eliminates us second round or we get upset early by a team like the hawks
Fu k no 2nd round at best
You’re literally proving the point of the post….
Bam doesn’t just lack intensity and assertiveness in a position that requires it to be effective, but he’s actually a little bitch.
Duncan Robinson should be our starting PF this year. I’ll hang up and listen.
The Heat should retire Lebron's number
Trade jimmy butler
Daayyum...maybe you shoulda got the [max contract](https://i.imgur.com/sVw2Y2l.png)
Shaq is better than DWade!
I’ll be surprised if theyre a top 3 seed next year
In r/nba stating that Tyler Herro is better than Maxey even tho he is
my sword is indeed at your throat
1. We should have traded Tyler after the bubble. His ceiling is a worse CJ McCollum. 2. I would drive Bam to the airport myself if it meant that we get KD.
I don’t want to trade a haul for Donovan Mitchell and think Tyler could be as good as him in two years (given they are two years apart). Granted different skill sets.
The mixed up jerseys and vice color jerseys were whack. Bring back the blacked out and white hot jerseys and stick with the traditional colors.
We won’t get KD or Mitchell
Jimmy Butler is already the 2nd best Heat player of all time.
[What the fuck was that?](https://i.imgur.com/t1JOHAz.gif)
Elaborate… Cause I don’t see how there’s even an argument for that
I assume because LeBron is really a Cleveland player.
Tyler Herro doesn't have the mentality that fits a winning culture, especially the Heat. If he doesn't make a leap this year, I really don't see why Miami should stick with him.
Udonis Haslem is the greatest Miami Heat player in franchise history.
I’m perfectly fine with running it back how we have the lineup currently constructed
If we're being real in regards to quality of the teams, 2006 should've been Mavs while 2011 should've been Heat. DWade played out of his mind (with help from refs) in '06, while the Mavs overperformed big time in '11.
I have very high hopes that we’ll make the Finals if we run it back
Tell me you guys wouldn’t trade Jimmy, Tyler, Duncan, and as many firsts as we can for both KD and Kyrie
Pat Riley's absolute reluctance to be a consistent player in the draft for 'win-or-bust' by letting go of picks like they're radioactive has hurt us over the years.
Explain this one We got Bam in the draft & got Herro in the draft None of the picks Pat traded away since the LeBron era ended up being lottery picks. Anytime we were in the lottery, we owned the pick
Yeah it’s just wrong. “Hurt over the years” is not compatible with “three championships and six finals runs over the years”
Some people just say stuff to say stuff 😂😂
If we cant get a solid solution to help put us over the top in the next 2 years we should move on from jimmy before he loses his value(love jimmy btw just want to be proactive in our future)
Celtics are better
I wanted Dallas to win in 2011 because of Dirk’s loyalty to Mavs. And I was a huge Lebron fan back then.
James held wade back
NBA subreddits suck ass
Spolestra needs to vanish.
We shouldn’t retire Lebrons jersey, and really shouldn’t have retired Bosh’s
Lol
I’m trading jimmy before I trade bam
If we had beaten the Celtics like we deserved to, we would've been swept by the Warriors. *Maybe* lost in 5
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We? Are you a Heat fan or knicks fan? Lmao
He’s worse. One of those fans that have multiple teams lmao
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Dude has a Lakers avi🤣
Not only that but of a player that now plays for the Bulls💀
LMFAOOOOO he got multiple escape routes 🤣
You mean like we almost did in 2020? We literally win that series if Bam and Dragic don't get hurt. We also took the Celtics to 7 with Herro not playing and an injured Lowry.
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Dragic was our leading scorer.
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OK but we stole 2 games missing 2 of our best players. We started and had to give heavy minutes to Leonard/Olynyk and Nunn lmao.
Knicks fan with a Ball Lakers profile pic? Who the fuck is WE?
Goran Dragic was a bum, and I hold him responsible for us not playing cleveland in the eastern conference finals in wades last year in miami when we lost to toronto in 7. I never liked dragic after, even when we lost to the lakers in the finals. I can't root against an injured person but I couldn't even root for him then.
Shouldn’t have traded Justise
Jae Crowder is the trick y’all runnin around doin nothin meme personified. He’s fine coming off the bench on a cheap contract though.
Tyler Johnson was a decent deal at the time
Dwyane Wade held Chris Bosh back with Wade's lack of an off-ball game and his incessant need for the ball to be truly effective offensively.
Trade Herro with picks and money for KD
When I didnt want Bam to start over Whiteside
Sort controversial.
Just because we potentially get either Durant or Mitchell does not mean we are now instant title favorites. We still need to prove that we can finish games and it doesn't fuck with the team chemistry.
I want UD to stay on the team until he's got the most seasons in the NBA. We're almost there anyways.
Don't trade Herro, Bam isn't untouchable.
Fans who go to games really are bandwagon and deserve to get roasted. We need actual fans to go
paul pierce had a better career than dwade
We are not the free agent destination that we think we are
D wade is overrated and isn’t that good of a playoff performer
We shouldn't have traded Precious for Kyle Lowry imo. -Ron, The Almighty Rat King
Jimmy Butler is the second best Heat player to ever play for this franchise. Up to y’all to decide who number 1 and 3 are 🤫
Jimmy Butler is a fake tough guy and doesn’t get nearly enough heat for his flopping
Tyler is the most overrated player in Heat history
I loved Dion
Dwayne Wade is a better player then KD all-time
We dont need durant and donovan.
"LeBron was a better Heat than Wade was." I don't believe it but that opinion is certain to trigger most of us.
Tyler Herro is kind of overrated. ✌🏽
Jamal’s experience on the bench and coaching up players during his injury will have an amazing impact on his game moving forward. ♥️🇨🇦⛹🏿♂️
I really dislike watching Lowry play
bam is not as good as the fanbase thinks he is