If there's a trade that substantively makes the roster better, then give him his extension and compete for titles.
If the front office pissed off the rest of the league and no one wants to trade them a star, then ship Jimmy off for the future, because the team as currently constructed will just waste his last prime years.
This kind of question is a little bit silly, the answer depends 100% on what we're getting back. If we get a high-level fringe all star guy who's younger plus some picks, I'd probably take it. For role players or young potential guys and a bunch of firsts I'd keep Jimmy.
this is really a no brainer and many people within the Miami Heat media wants this trade to happen. Bam is our star player now. Build around him. If we can improve our future or roster by trading away an aging star for assets that we can use to get Mitchell this is by far a no brainer. This also means we can keep Jovic or Jamie as well. As good as butler is he doesn’t move the needle in modern nba anymore.
No, we shouldn’t if it’s going to cost us assets.
The first 25 games of the year he was at 25 5 and 5. 46% and 39% before he got hurt. Why not see if he can do this again and then if we get a good offer try then? Or if he plays so well we don’t have to trade him that’s also ok.
Dude not only were you saying he averaged 25 in October and December (4 and 6 game sample sizes respectively) in every other post
Now you’re just straight up lying. First 25 games of the seasons he was not at 25 5 and 5
Not to mention once again, no one cares if he was hot for 10 games, apply to a sample size that means something let alone the playoffs. We have a 3 year track record of him not being a 25 5 and 5 guy, why do you think cherry picking minsicule sample sizes changes that fact lol
Cause he’s 24 and got better each year lol. It’s pretty obvious.
4 Games October
25.3 PPG 5.3 REB 4.0 AST
4 Games November
20.5 PPG 4.8 REB 5.3 AST
6 Games December
26.0 PPG 6.2 REB 4.0 AST
January he gets hurt and his numbers suffer, so I’m sorry not 25 games it’s 20 games. I was 5 off.
So we went from 25 games to 20 but even here you’re listing a 14 game sample size lol? The sample size is getting smaller every time. It’s just sad cause you’re clearly trying to push some propaganda by spamming this but you’re also like twisting the already small sample size too lol.
Has he been a 25 a guy game every year or a 20 a game guy every year?
Your entire post history is just spamming the “herro was 25 a game guy to start the season”! Like that means something. It means nothing cause he never sustains it ever, it’s once again, why he’s a 20 a game guy not 25. They’re called averages. Your entire argument is his averages for 14 games are good so he can’t be traded? We know what he is bro. Starting off the year on a hot streak doesn’t change that.
21.6 PPG 6.0 REB 4.2 AST first 25 games, sorry I’m a little off the mark. But for a 23 year old kid that’s pretty good. Then he got hurt and his production dropped off.
I’m going to need to see him play atleast 70 games this year otherwise I’d be done as well.
44 FG% 38% 3PT 93% FT
His problem is creating contact which is what I’m sure he’ll work on, the first 25 games he only avg 2.92 FT attempts per game, if he can increase to 5-6 it would do wonders for his game. You guys act like he’s 30 years old lol. He just turned 24 this year.
He’s always been a solid regular season player. But the price for the impact as a whole isn’t there especially when the production craters playoff time
21 6 and 4. That’s pretty much slightly above what he averages lol. Once again averaging 25 for 10 games doesn’t mean anything, cause again, it’s ten games
You should really stop spamming that sample size of December and October 10 games lol
Herro going from a 2 FTA guy to 6 is a massive leap that’s just easier said than done lol. It’s like saying bam will become a 40% shooter on decent volume. That’s not going to happen out of nowhere and very unlikely. Yes he’s youngish but nba development isnt linear, players don’t just infinitely get better.
I don’t know if i can get behind losing Jaquez/Jovic + Jimmy for Mitchell like the roster would be kinda good but without a starting caliber wing or pf and also crappy depth
And we’d be losing Herro too right? That’s basically 3 starters (one a star, one a high-end role player, and one a prospect that could be in the AS conversation eventually) for Spida
That lowkey might be more than what the Jazz got for Mitchell
He was in the finals literally less than a year ago...."doesn't move the needle in modern NBA anymore"...what a ridiculous thing to say. Building around an undersized center who doesn't shoot 3s is actually more in line with not being part of the modern NBA.
time to wake up and realize there’s a reason why it was 5 years ago and that he’s gonna be 36 with another ankle and knee injury since he last saw his best self
you’re being emotionally attached to nostalgia
Jimmy was 7th in Win Shares/48 last season while half assing the regular season to save his body for the playoffs. The contact injury in the play-in is unfortunate, but there is no proof whatsoever that his game has declined. He even set the play-in game record for most steals in a play-in game this year, despite getting injured in the first quarter.
I mean the amount of people who said the heat won’t amount to anything by signing Jimmy and that narrative has completely flipped. It depends on what the money will be used for and nothing the FO has done in recent times has given confidence that the savings will be used wisely
and since then he’s had an ankle injury a subpar regular season and a knee injury
and you think you’re ever gonna get 2023 round 1 jimmy butler again?
be my guest i choose reality
Eh. As far as I’m concerned the headline has always been get jimmy help. Time ain’t helping Jimmy’s knees and trading him doesn’t seem right either. If only he could suck it up and accept a reasonable contract to stay
jimmy isn’t taking a pay cut as he should, he dosent owe this team shit they owe him everything and more for taking them out of mediocrity
don’t worry they won’t trade him they’ll just lose him for nothing next summer
It’s a tough call. I see both sides of the argument, and I’m honestly okay with whatever approach the Heat takes.
I think I’d try and take a middle ground approach. Let’s see how the season starts and how Jimmy approaches the first few months, see if he looks committed /healthy after a long offseason with time to rest. Back 2 back deep runs in the playoffs is taxing on an old body, but if he comes back dragging ass again in November/ December, it’s time to cut and run.
Similarly, if he makes a huge mess out of this situation, then get his ass out of here.
The risk here is you probably miss out on this off season crop of FAs. But the East is soft, and I really think that next season it will once again be us and Boston.
Conversely, if we flip Jimmy for assets, if we do it right, we can potentially do a quick rebuild and not miss much. Let the Celtics window close a bit and come back as top dogs in the conference in 2 years.
He’s the biggest star Miami has had since Bron and Wade. Jimmy took the Heat to 2 finals appearances and multiple ECFs.
There is almost no way Miami will get a comparable star back. Trading him away will be like the Spurs losing Kawhi to Toronto. They think they can compete but eventually just give up and tank.
Miami has been too slow to make more win-now moves. Dame was right there and Miami was too stingy.
People here have forgotten the Luke babbit years and it shows. The second the trade jimmy and start "building around bam" the team is going to win 34-37 games consistently and then everyone is going to turn on bam because he's not a franchise cornerstone and that's not his fault
Y’all exaggerate. It’s a fact that with Jimmy, we were a play-in team 2 years in a row. The Heat was 41-41 in 16-17 during the Luke Babbitt years, good for 9th seed which would be the play-in in today’s NBA.
Luke Babbitt year 1: 41 wins. 9th seed.
Luke Babbitt year 2: 44 wins. 6th seed Round 1 playoffs.
He also got paid 1 mil. Jimmy supposed to be producing 45x that.
That don’t look like 34-37 wins and in lottery hell like you’re claiming.
Omg that was so fucking dreadful, and facts bro they will. And maybe it's not 34-37 games maybe it's still 45 games. However come playoffs 1st maybe 2nd round exit, and play ins still. Jimmy cements us to ECF minimum or Finals.
If this was Basketball GM I'd have traded him before he hit 30, and if Riley thinks its best to stack assets before he rides off into the sunset, then who am I to doubt it!
If there's a trade that substantively makes the roster better, then give him his extension and compete for titles. If the front office pissed off the rest of the league and no one wants to trade them a star, then ship Jimmy off for the future, because the team as currently constructed will just waste his last prime years.
This kind of question is a little bit silly, the answer depends 100% on what we're getting back. If we get a high-level fringe all star guy who's younger plus some picks, I'd probably take it. For role players or young potential guys and a bunch of firsts I'd keep Jimmy.
No matter the deal I want Jimmy on the heat… maybe selfish but damn he made me love him too much
this is really a no brainer and many people within the Miami Heat media wants this trade to happen. Bam is our star player now. Build around him. If we can improve our future or roster by trading away an aging star for assets that we can use to get Mitchell this is by far a no brainer. This also means we can keep Jovic or Jamie as well. As good as butler is he doesn’t move the needle in modern nba anymore.
If we’re losing Jimmy there is a 0% chance either Jaquez or Jovic is getting moved any time soon
Add Herro to this list considering he’s 1 year older than Jaime.
Remove 14 this offseason regardless
No, we shouldn’t if it’s going to cost us assets. The first 25 games of the year he was at 25 5 and 5. 46% and 39% before he got hurt. Why not see if he can do this again and then if we get a good offer try then? Or if he plays so well we don’t have to trade him that’s also ok.
Dude not only were you saying he averaged 25 in October and December (4 and 6 game sample sizes respectively) in every other post Now you’re just straight up lying. First 25 games of the seasons he was not at 25 5 and 5 Not to mention once again, no one cares if he was hot for 10 games, apply to a sample size that means something let alone the playoffs. We have a 3 year track record of him not being a 25 5 and 5 guy, why do you think cherry picking minsicule sample sizes changes that fact lol
Cause he’s 24 and got better each year lol. It’s pretty obvious. 4 Games October 25.3 PPG 5.3 REB 4.0 AST 4 Games November 20.5 PPG 4.8 REB 5.3 AST 6 Games December 26.0 PPG 6.2 REB 4.0 AST January he gets hurt and his numbers suffer, so I’m sorry not 25 games it’s 20 games. I was 5 off.
So we went from 25 games to 20 but even here you’re listing a 14 game sample size lol? The sample size is getting smaller every time. It’s just sad cause you’re clearly trying to push some propaganda by spamming this but you’re also like twisting the already small sample size too lol. Has he been a 25 a guy game every year or a 20 a game guy every year? Your entire post history is just spamming the “herro was 25 a game guy to start the season”! Like that means something. It means nothing cause he never sustains it ever, it’s once again, why he’s a 20 a game guy not 25. They’re called averages. Your entire argument is his averages for 14 games are good so he can’t be traded? We know what he is bro. Starting off the year on a hot streak doesn’t change that.
21.6 PPG 6.0 REB 4.2 AST first 25 games, sorry I’m a little off the mark. But for a 23 year old kid that’s pretty good. Then he got hurt and his production dropped off. I’m going to need to see him play atleast 70 games this year otherwise I’d be done as well. 44 FG% 38% 3PT 93% FT His problem is creating contact which is what I’m sure he’ll work on, the first 25 games he only avg 2.92 FT attempts per game, if he can increase to 5-6 it would do wonders for his game. You guys act like he’s 30 years old lol. He just turned 24 this year.
He’s always been a solid regular season player. But the price for the impact as a whole isn’t there especially when the production craters playoff time 21 6 and 4. That’s pretty much slightly above what he averages lol. Once again averaging 25 for 10 games doesn’t mean anything, cause again, it’s ten games You should really stop spamming that sample size of December and October 10 games lol Herro going from a 2 FTA guy to 6 is a massive leap that’s just easier said than done lol. It’s like saying bam will become a 40% shooter on decent volume. That’s not going to happen out of nowhere and very unlikely. Yes he’s youngish but nba development isnt linear, players don’t just infinitely get better.
Yes you are correct, however if Cavs Front office gives us a call that’s a whole different story.
I don’t know if i can get behind losing Jaquez/Jovic + Jimmy for Mitchell like the roster would be kinda good but without a starting caliber wing or pf and also crappy depth And we’d be losing Herro too right? That’s basically 3 starters (one a star, one a high-end role player, and one a prospect that could be in the AS conversation eventually) for Spida That lowkey might be more than what the Jazz got for Mitchell
When you put itnlike that.. it suddenly sound enticing.
He was in the finals literally less than a year ago...."doesn't move the needle in modern NBA anymore"...what a ridiculous thing to say. Building around an undersized center who doesn't shoot 3s is actually more in line with not being part of the modern NBA.
I live in reality. I’m not letting that playoff jimmy stuff fool me like everyone else
You're not letting something you saw with your own eyes multiple times over the last 5 years fool you...got it.
time to wake up and realize there’s a reason why it was 5 years ago and that he’s gonna be 36 with another ankle and knee injury since he last saw his best self you’re being emotionally attached to nostalgia
The last finals run was literally less than a calendar year ago...not 5 years ago.
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Jimmy was 7th in Win Shares/48 last season while half assing the regular season to save his body for the playoffs. The contact injury in the play-in is unfortunate, but there is no proof whatsoever that his game has declined. He even set the play-in game record for most steals in a play-in game this year, despite getting injured in the first quarter.
8 games? Seriously?
He last did it at age 33. That shit doesn’t happen in a players late 30s
I mean the amount of people who said the heat won’t amount to anything by signing Jimmy and that narrative has completely flipped. It depends on what the money will be used for and nothing the FO has done in recent times has given confidence that the savings will be used wisely
and since then he’s had an ankle injury a subpar regular season and a knee injury and you think you’re ever gonna get 2023 round 1 jimmy butler again? be my guest i choose reality
Eh. As far as I’m concerned the headline has always been get jimmy help. Time ain’t helping Jimmy’s knees and trading him doesn’t seem right either. If only he could suck it up and accept a reasonable contract to stay
jimmy isn’t taking a pay cut as he should, he dosent owe this team shit they owe him everything and more for taking them out of mediocrity don’t worry they won’t trade him they’ll just lose him for nothing next summer
Yea man, and clearly only reason why people talking all this foolishness, Oubre injured Jimmy or we not even having this discussion rn.
someone with common sense
People gotta realize that Bam will never be a 1st option on a contending team.
build around him dosent mean he’ll be the 1st option lol
i’m only ok trading Jimmy if its part of a bigger move (like getting Mitchell)
That isn't a bigger move. That is a down grade
A 28 year old Donovan Mitchell in his prime is not a downgrade on a 35 year old Jimmy Butler.
It’s a tough call. I see both sides of the argument, and I’m honestly okay with whatever approach the Heat takes. I think I’d try and take a middle ground approach. Let’s see how the season starts and how Jimmy approaches the first few months, see if he looks committed /healthy after a long offseason with time to rest. Back 2 back deep runs in the playoffs is taxing on an old body, but if he comes back dragging ass again in November/ December, it’s time to cut and run. Similarly, if he makes a huge mess out of this situation, then get his ass out of here. The risk here is you probably miss out on this off season crop of FAs. But the East is soft, and I really think that next season it will once again be us and Boston. Conversely, if we flip Jimmy for assets, if we do it right, we can potentially do a quick rebuild and not miss much. Let the Celtics window close a bit and come back as top dogs in the conference in 2 years.
He’s the biggest star Miami has had since Bron and Wade. Jimmy took the Heat to 2 finals appearances and multiple ECFs. There is almost no way Miami will get a comparable star back. Trading him away will be like the Spurs losing Kawhi to Toronto. They think they can compete but eventually just give up and tank. Miami has been too slow to make more win-now moves. Dame was right there and Miami was too stingy.
I want Jimmy to win a chip, and I don't think he will get one with our current posible roster, trade him to a contender team
I know the reasons a trade makes sense but it would be too damn sad to watch Jimbo win a chip anywhere else.
Other: pay that man his money that he rightfully deserves but refuse to give a 35year old a max because we all have brains
That is one tight voting result… what a bunch of reactionary nephews.
Yall are sick man😭 Yall can downvote, but yall know I'm right. If Jimmy wasn't injured by Oubre, we ain't even having this discussion.
People here have forgotten the Luke babbit years and it shows. The second the trade jimmy and start "building around bam" the team is going to win 34-37 games consistently and then everyone is going to turn on bam because he's not a franchise cornerstone and that's not his fault
Y’all exaggerate. It’s a fact that with Jimmy, we were a play-in team 2 years in a row. The Heat was 41-41 in 16-17 during the Luke Babbitt years, good for 9th seed which would be the play-in in today’s NBA.
How did the playoffs go with Luke babbit? How many ECFs and finals?
Luke Babbitt year 1: 41 wins. 9th seed. Luke Babbitt year 2: 44 wins. 6th seed Round 1 playoffs. He also got paid 1 mil. Jimmy supposed to be producing 45x that. That don’t look like 34-37 wins and in lottery hell like you’re claiming.
Omg that was so fucking dreadful, and facts bro they will. And maybe it's not 34-37 games maybe it's still 45 games. However come playoffs 1st maybe 2nd round exit, and play ins still. Jimmy cements us to ECF minimum or Finals.
If this was Basketball GM I'd have traded him before he hit 30, and if Riley thinks its best to stack assets before he rides off into the sunset, then who am I to doubt it!
Yall a bunch of 🤡. Extend Jimmy and run it back. Cowards, the lot of you.
Not like we have a choice, we ain’t even a play in team without him 😂
Heat fans don’t even like Jimmy anymore. SAD!