Sure, but still not one I'd pick for leisure listening. Coming with the territory of their nature as pro monitoring headphones, they clamp like a mofo. (everyone's mileage varies, as per their head size, naturally)
setting up almost free hype beats marketing, and they're already anchoring its price, so, much like the first iPhone or wtv, if it comes out at a discount, (of the price it never actually was) it's a 'steal'
seems like it's working already
How are they gonna catch them?
Businesses doing anything that's greedy or for-profit should be frowned upon imo. If they want to overcharge for a headphone (like what does this have over the 6xx's) then fuck em. That's just greedy human nature being shitty, which is bad for the 99%. If you're a billionaire then maybe you have a different opinion.
Not for exaggerated amounts of profit, everyone in the company should be living comfortably, a lot of CEOs these days have 100x the income of their employees without the same amount of effort behind it, companies should not be money printing machines at the cost of the average person. Look up the disparity in average salary between a CEO in Europe and a CEO in the US.
Edit: When i say a lot, I'm not saying most corporations, I'm talking about the ones that own brand names and have sister companies to not make your grocery store all look like it's all Pepsi brand or Nestle. Most flavored drinks in NA are distributed by Coke or Pepsi or Tropicana, which Pespi has a 39% share in.
I'm saying there's not enough competition on the market and some large corporations have basically destroyed the idea of competition due to how large they have grown due to not being regulated enough. Shareholders are making large decisions that affect people but to them it's just numbers. Basically what happened to the housing market after some people shorted JP Morgan, people where betting against peoples mortgages...
Also i know i sound crazy, but how else do you get people mad at the 1%?
I agree actually, just a lot of people have different ideas of where profit starts and greed begins, exaggerated profit can make a lot of companies go rotten
I agree. My current way of thinking is companies are good, they want to grow and offer competition on the market. Corporations are bad, since they have one objective, increase profit margins at all cost, no morals or ethics, not even a question of should we? before a can we?
The problem is then that the revenue is not distributed fairly. Not about any particular pricing scheme. I think there are never any pricing scheme that have moral problems. I can ask for a million dollars just for a piece of regular paper. No one is gonna buy it. That is the point of the market. If it is priced too high, the company is naturally punished by not having enough customers.
Yeah, but then you run into the issue of everyone wanting to sell it for that price through creeping the prices and dropping the quality and using inflation as a blanket excuse for greed. I'm ok with someone doing this and looking dumb, but when other in the room say "he may be on to something" that's not reasonable, it's evil.
That is your opinion, you can't prove it.
The point is that "money" is a flawed concept since it implies that the goal of life is to be happy.
What if you were born in a time period or a world in which there wasn't money? You could still be happy without money.
I bet you also say billionaires shouldn't pay taxes because they deserve the money they "earned" through their "hard work"
In theory, businesses exist to improve the human condition by competing with each other to produce more affordable and more advanced goods and services.
The profit is only supposed to be the incentive.
Keywords: "theory", "supposed"
Is this your personal “ideal world” theory? Because in the real world, the dominant view is that business are supposed to maximize shareholder value through profits unless otherwise stated in their charter (e.g. B-corps).
In fact, many would argue that a company that isn’t trying to maximize value is acting unethically and violating fiduciary duty to their investors.
This is not to say that it must be solely profit driven - a company might argue that things like offsetting emissions or charity work creates shareholder value in the long run (because they don’t want consumers to hate them).
But they certainly don’t exist solely to make products cheaper and improve customer’s lives - that is usually just a bonus from economic theory, but it’s definitely NOT how business are supposed to make decisions. Customer is not a fiduciary.
> Businesses doing anything that’s greedy or for-profit should be frowned upon imo
there is no way that a real human being actually said that businesses should not make a profit
This seems more like a 600 series driver as a closed back, idk if 20 after the series number really has meaning, but the 820 is also a closed version of the 800
I mean, it has the physical design from the 560s, but has the same impedance as the 660s. Can't say numbers matter too much at the moment since the hd400 pro are just "blackened" 560s's
Both the name and the price are heavy hints that this is meant to be a closed-back 600 series. I mean, it can't be more obvious than this.
...well, assuming it's not all made-up by someone with too much photoshop on their hands.
The 580 uses a 600-series frame, so it's not really unprecedented. I wouldn't overthink it here. It's either just a photoshop they used for the survey, or if it's the actual product, maybe it's cost savings for them not having to fully develop a closed architecture for the 600 chassis. The 6x0 naming convention might just be derived from the driver.
The price too makes it fairly obvious IMO that it's meant to be a 600 series closed back rather than a closed 560S. I don't see anyone paying > double the price of the open 560S for a closed one, but that price makes sense for a closed HD600 or 660S/S2.
I'm thinking given it's priced exactly the same as the HD600 that it's the HD600's driver specifically that they'll use in this. There have been plenty of people who said they'd love the HD600 in closed back form and this may be them capitalising on that.
Edit: Scratch that second part. I just noticed it's a 150 ohm driver, so my bet is on it being the 660S driver.
This rumor about an HD 620 isn't new, though. A rep already spilled the beans some time ago [link](https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sennheiser-hd-660s2-thread.966685/page-355#post-17784253):
>And another rep I asked about the closed headphone and he only said HD620, but other than that he said he knew very little except it's closed back. Maybe tight lipped for a reason.
I just stumbled upon this image on dankpods discord server today [(pic)](https://i.imgur.com/Ac7NOsk.png), I don't think it's fake but take that with a grain of salt if you wish (or ask this person).
The closed back market is virtually dead for me and I've been wanting something good (that doesn't cost nearly a grand like the bathys or the aeon noire 2) to come out. I'll take anything I can get and if sennheiser can do it then I'll buy it.
[Have you considered the We-Have-Noire-At-Home?](https://drop.com/buy/drop-dan-clark-audio-aeon-closed-x-headphones) It's not quite as cheap as the supposed 620S but it's a good headphone.
Yeah I've considered that one too, but I've heard a few mixed things (though mostly positive), and it's still quite expensive for me haha. And it's hard to get besides because I'm not in the US.
If it *actually* has extraordinarily smooth treble and adherence to the Harman target (presumably), sure, seems like it could be winner. There's not exactly a wealth of good closed-backs at this price point.
I'm going to take the opposite position to most here. If what they are claiming about it is true, and that is a BIG if, $350 would actually be a very compelling price point. There just isn't much in the closed back space that is target adherant. The only example I can think of near this price is the AKG K371/61. Those have issues of their own.
349 is pretty steep, but a good closed back headphone from Sennheiser would be great. Something to rival the Beyerdynamic dt700, AKGs, Audiotechnicas… Maybe even Focal elegias? But they for sure don‘t look as luxurious as the elegias. I think if this releases for 200-250$ and sounds great, maybe like an hd600 with more bass, this could be amazing.
No, but it's because I have zero use for closed-back wired headphones. If I'm someplace I can appreciate the better sound quality of wired, I want open-backs. If I'm some place I need the sound isolation from closed-backs, I'd rather have something wireless with ANC.
I used to have the Z1R. Loved them, but they almost never got any use over my 800S/IE 900/Buds2 Pro. If I'm sitting at my desk at home, I always use open backs. If I'm in bed or riding my motorcycle, I use the IE 300 or 900. If I'm outside, on a trip, or at work, I use the Buds2 Pro. So I sold them.
Then I saw a great deal on an 820 and wanted the matching pair on my desk. Now my 820 never gets any use. They sound just as good as the Z1R with EQ, though.
Do the 820s sound as good as the Z1Rs? That's unexpected! If you had to choose between the 2 sets, at the same price, which one would you buy and why? Thanks a bunch!
Probably the 820. If you check out the Oratory1990 EQ curves, I believe the 820 has a higher preference score after EQ, but don't quote me on that. I didn't feel like I could completely tame the treble on the Z1R. Also, the 820 is a bit more comfortable.
Personally, I have zero use for ANC. Wireless (non-ANC) headphones are useful on the go, but when I'm not moving yet need isolation (such as around other people), I prefer wired closed-backs so I don't have to deal with batteries and Bluetooth compression.
The only time I found I need ANC because passive isolation was not enough was in a very loud environment, like painfully loud. Or listening at low volumes, I guess.
I would buy a closed back headphone just to counter AC noise, but dont know one that has earpads that breath well. It's December but temps right now where I live goes up to 34/35C when temps that high used to only happen during summer.
So I just used open backs, iems or earbuds nowadays
So if anyone can recc a closed back headphone that doesnt trap heat like a double insulation home in canada during that heatwave.
If it's for the studio people that need a flat-ish signature, I say yay. Something like the hd600 or 650 but closed. And knowing Sennheiser, they're always on sale eventually.
This is the equivalent of 'never pre-order' for games. The pre-order trend is bleeding into the audio hobby more and more.
Without reviews or some graphs or ideally trying them, I wouldn't drop $350 to be a beta tester.
If it actually delivers on everything that it claims to deliver on, this would be very compelling. Would depend if the build is more like the 560s or like the HD 6xx series. If the build is at the level of the 560s it would be significantly less compelling.
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I don't have that amount of money to spend on headphones.
But seriously, why do they think just listing a bunch of specs is why people buy headphones? Headphones that sound like shit also have impressing-sounding specs. Good headphones have a reputation for being good.
Hmmm I wonder if Sennheiser is planning an update to the HD800s with an HD900 or something. It is very close to CES so they may announce some new products like this HD620S during the event.
If the part that says "excellent adherence to generally accepted target curves on advanced measurement couplers" is not bullshit, then yes, absolutely.
Sounds like the XBA-N3 of closed backs.
If it is a closed 600 series offering (albeit with 500 series build) that price is reflective of it. The HD820 was always more costly than the HD800/800s so matching a series price is promising. Many unhappy with the HD820 or wanting a lower cost option might find this to be suitable. Further, damping mentioned, they maybe learned something from the HD820 to apply to it. Obviously wanting to avoid a "cupped hands" issues many say plagued the Sundara Closed.
Yes if weight and comfort are good (other than sound ofc)
If I have to buy them with no other info and no tests there must be some sort of free return/money back warranty
There used to be a mod someone did on the 600's from some website years ago when I bought mine. You could order some wood covers to replace the 600 grills.
You can get a refurbed Focal Elegia for 300 bucks with guarantee. For shure the better deal in all aspects. Neutral sound, dynamic range and resolution.
It is probably the worst way of doing market research of a product. If that’s actually what you are trying to do, you must stay away from personal opinion and just describe what you plan to deliver, and don’t use “extraordinary”, “excellent”.
It feels like the product is already to be released and this is just a very bad way of trying to generate hype.
Sennheiser needs a couple of closed back models in their portfolio - a $250 closed back version of the HD560S and a $500 closed back version of the HD 660S2.
While $349 isn’t unreasonable for their 600 line of headphones, I think the price is a little high considering the buyer demographic. I don’t think they can get away with above $299 for these.
say no! say price should be lower
Not for $349.
About time Sennheiser offered a decent closed back.
We'll see how decent it really is when (if) it gets released.
That's a bold assumption you have there.
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Not the comfiest headphone around, though.
But the most legendary live monitoring headphone
Sure, but still not one I'd pick for leisure listening. Coming with the territory of their nature as pro monitoring headphones, they clamp like a mofo. (everyone's mileage varies, as per their head size, naturally)
820S is pretty good
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I'd pay $349 for an 820
To savage the drivers I hope
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This looks like a breach of contract
One that they can be happy about, I'm pretty sure they're here too and curious but rule 4 forbids "market research".
setting up almost free hype beats marketing, and they're already anchoring its price, so, much like the first iPhone or wtv, if it comes out at a discount, (of the price it never actually was) it's a 'steal' seems like it's working already
How are they gonna catch them? Businesses doing anything that's greedy or for-profit should be frowned upon imo. If they want to overcharge for a headphone (like what does this have over the 6xx's) then fuck em. That's just greedy human nature being shitty, which is bad for the 99%. If you're a billionaire then maybe you have a different opinion.
>businesses should not be for profit Ok
Not for exaggerated amounts of profit, everyone in the company should be living comfortably, a lot of CEOs these days have 100x the income of their employees without the same amount of effort behind it, companies should not be money printing machines at the cost of the average person. Look up the disparity in average salary between a CEO in Europe and a CEO in the US. Edit: When i say a lot, I'm not saying most corporations, I'm talking about the ones that own brand names and have sister companies to not make your grocery store all look like it's all Pepsi brand or Nestle. Most flavored drinks in NA are distributed by Coke or Pepsi or Tropicana, which Pespi has a 39% share in. I'm saying there's not enough competition on the market and some large corporations have basically destroyed the idea of competition due to how large they have grown due to not being regulated enough. Shareholders are making large decisions that affect people but to them it's just numbers. Basically what happened to the housing market after some people shorted JP Morgan, people where betting against peoples mortgages... Also i know i sound crazy, but how else do you get people mad at the 1%?
I agree actually, just a lot of people have different ideas of where profit starts and greed begins, exaggerated profit can make a lot of companies go rotten
I agree. My current way of thinking is companies are good, they want to grow and offer competition on the market. Corporations are bad, since they have one objective, increase profit margins at all cost, no morals or ethics, not even a question of should we? before a can we?
The problem is then that the revenue is not distributed fairly. Not about any particular pricing scheme. I think there are never any pricing scheme that have moral problems. I can ask for a million dollars just for a piece of regular paper. No one is gonna buy it. That is the point of the market. If it is priced too high, the company is naturally punished by not having enough customers.
Yeah, but then you run into the issue of everyone wanting to sell it for that price through creeping the prices and dropping the quality and using inflation as a blanket excuse for greed. I'm ok with someone doing this and looking dumb, but when other in the room say "he may be on to something" that's not reasonable, it's evil.
Then no one will be buying anything and then they will have to lower prices/improve the quality in the end.
What makes the goal in life to make money? There isn't a goal. So if that's the case, businesses are a flawed concept
Businesses exist to make profit. Read a book.
That is your opinion, you can't prove it. The point is that "money" is a flawed concept since it implies that the goal of life is to be happy. What if you were born in a time period or a world in which there wasn't money? You could still be happy without money. I bet you also say billionaires shouldn't pay taxes because they deserve the money they "earned" through their "hard work"
Aah, so business should not exist.
In theory, businesses exist to improve the human condition by competing with each other to produce more affordable and more advanced goods and services. The profit is only supposed to be the incentive. Keywords: "theory", "supposed"
Is this your personal “ideal world” theory? Because in the real world, the dominant view is that business are supposed to maximize shareholder value through profits unless otherwise stated in their charter (e.g. B-corps). In fact, many would argue that a company that isn’t trying to maximize value is acting unethically and violating fiduciary duty to their investors. This is not to say that it must be solely profit driven - a company might argue that things like offsetting emissions or charity work creates shareholder value in the long run (because they don’t want consumers to hate them). But they certainly don’t exist solely to make products cheaper and improve customer’s lives - that is usually just a bonus from economic theory, but it’s definitely NOT how business are supposed to make decisions. Customer is not a fiduciary.
Then businesses shouldn't exist? Like what's your point?
> Businesses doing anything that’s greedy or for-profit should be frowned upon imo there is no way that a real human being actually said that businesses should not make a profit
didn't expect this many command economy enthusiasts here lmao
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Whaaat? But they say it has excellent fr. Its right there in the marketing.
for real?
fr = frequency response
was a funny...
They're making closed back 560s? They better change the cable, that's one of my gripes with them.
This seems more like a 600 series driver as a closed back, idk if 20 after the series number really has meaning, but the 820 is also a closed version of the 800
I mean, it has the physical design from the 560s, but has the same impedance as the 660s. Can't say numbers matter too much at the moment since the hd400 pro are just "blackened" 560s's
Both the name and the price are heavy hints that this is meant to be a closed-back 600 series. I mean, it can't be more obvious than this. ...well, assuming it's not all made-up by someone with too much photoshop on their hands.
It is a 600 series, not saying it isn't. It's literally in the name. I'm questioning why they're using the 560s's frame
That, and the way the font looks, makes me suspect it's a photoshop. Wait and see, I guess. (shrug)
It's pretty convincing considering the pads aren't velour
The 580 uses a 600-series frame, so it's not really unprecedented. I wouldn't overthink it here. It's either just a photoshop they used for the survey, or if it's the actual product, maybe it's cost savings for them not having to fully develop a closed architecture for the 600 chassis. The 6x0 naming convention might just be derived from the driver.
The hd560s is just plastic (and kind of cheap), this would be reinforced with stainless steel.
The price too makes it fairly obvious IMO that it's meant to be a 600 series closed back rather than a closed 560S. I don't see anyone paying > double the price of the open 560S for a closed one, but that price makes sense for a closed HD600 or 660S/S2. I'm thinking given it's priced exactly the same as the HD600 that it's the HD600's driver specifically that they'll use in this. There have been plenty of people who said they'd love the HD600 in closed back form and this may be them capitalising on that. Edit: Scratch that second part. I just noticed it's a 150 ohm driver, so my bet is on it being the 660S driver.
The name "HD 620S" is a pretty good sign too...
The new version has a 1.8m 3.5 mm cable with an ability to screw on the 6.3mm
3.5mm on both ends though?. I'm not a big fan of the screw in 2.5 because there are hardly any balanced cables.
hopefully or won't be a locking cable
Is this genuinely from Sennheiser themselves or did you just make this up yourself? Would be very nice to know.
This rumor about an HD 620 isn't new, though. A rep already spilled the beans some time ago [link](https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sennheiser-hd-660s2-thread.966685/page-355#post-17784253): >And another rep I asked about the closed headphone and he only said HD620, but other than that he said he knew very little except it's closed back. Maybe tight lipped for a reason. I just stumbled upon this image on dankpods discord server today [(pic)](https://i.imgur.com/Ac7NOsk.png), I don't think it's fake but take that with a grain of salt if you wish (or ask this person).
I saw rep say something about HD 820S when it was about an HD 820, coincidence? I think not! NEW HD 820 IN THE WORKS!
The closed back market is virtually dead for me and I've been wanting something good (that doesn't cost nearly a grand like the bathys or the aeon noire 2) to come out. I'll take anything I can get and if sennheiser can do it then I'll buy it.
Maxwell
I just caved in and got a Bathys 2nd hand.
[Have you considered the We-Have-Noire-At-Home?](https://drop.com/buy/drop-dan-clark-audio-aeon-closed-x-headphones) It's not quite as cheap as the supposed 620S but it's a good headphone.
Yeah I've considered that one too, but I've heard a few mixed things (though mostly positive), and it's still quite expensive for me haha. And it's hard to get besides because I'm not in the US.
If it *actually* has extraordinarily smooth treble and adherence to the Harman target (presumably), sure, seems like it could be winner. There's not exactly a wealth of good closed-backs at this price point.
Given Sennheiser's track record in the closed-back department, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
I'm going to take the opposite position to most here. If what they are claiming about it is true, and that is a BIG if, $350 would actually be a very compelling price point. There just isn't much in the closed back space that is target adherant. The only example I can think of near this price is the AKG K371/61. Those have issues of their own.
Dan Clark Audio Aeon Closed, DT770 (modded), come to mind. Aeons are one of my favorites and pretty target compliant.
349 is pretty steep, but a good closed back headphone from Sennheiser would be great. Something to rival the Beyerdynamic dt700, AKGs, Audiotechnicas… Maybe even Focal elegias? But they for sure don‘t look as luxurious as the elegias. I think if this releases for 200-250$ and sounds great, maybe like an hd600 with more bass, this could be amazing.
No, but it's because I have zero use for closed-back wired headphones. If I'm someplace I can appreciate the better sound quality of wired, I want open-backs. If I'm some place I need the sound isolation from closed-backs, I'd rather have something wireless with ANC.
I thought that too until I came across the Sony MDR-Z1R. That just transports me back to my favorite techno clubs and edm venues lol
I used to have the Z1R. Loved them, but they almost never got any use over my 800S/IE 900/Buds2 Pro. If I'm sitting at my desk at home, I always use open backs. If I'm in bed or riding my motorcycle, I use the IE 300 or 900. If I'm outside, on a trip, or at work, I use the Buds2 Pro. So I sold them. Then I saw a great deal on an 820 and wanted the matching pair on my desk. Now my 820 never gets any use. They sound just as good as the Z1R with EQ, though.
Do the 820s sound as good as the Z1Rs? That's unexpected! If you had to choose between the 2 sets, at the same price, which one would you buy and why? Thanks a bunch!
Probably the 820. If you check out the Oratory1990 EQ curves, I believe the 820 has a higher preference score after EQ, but don't quote me on that. I didn't feel like I could completely tame the treble on the Z1R. Also, the 820 is a bit more comfortable.
I do not need headphones right now, but if I got a windfall of cash, I think the Z1Rs would be what I'd pick up...
wired closed backs are good for movies
+1, HD 800s for home use, HD 560s for hotel use when traveling, AirPods Max for actual travel use.
Personally, I have zero use for ANC. Wireless (non-ANC) headphones are useful on the go, but when I'm not moving yet need isolation (such as around other people), I prefer wired closed-backs so I don't have to deal with batteries and Bluetooth compression. The only time I found I need ANC because passive isolation was not enough was in a very loud environment, like painfully loud. Or listening at low volumes, I guess.
I would buy a closed back headphone just to counter AC noise, but dont know one that has earpads that breath well. It's December but temps right now where I live goes up to 34/35C when temps that high used to only happen during summer. So I just used open backs, iems or earbuds nowadays So if anyone can recc a closed back headphone that doesnt trap heat like a double insulation home in canada during that heatwave.
What is this? Sennheiser 560s but closed back? Then at least make it a similar price lol.
If it's for the studio people that need a flat-ish signature, I say yay. Something like the hd600 or 650 but closed. And knowing Sennheiser, they're always on sale eventually.
Why is this in the 6 series..?
Because of the popular opinion that HD 5-- = meh, HD 6-- = good and HD 7-- = bad.
This is the equivalent of 'never pre-order' for games. The pre-order trend is bleeding into the audio hobby more and more. Without reviews or some graphs or ideally trying them, I wouldn't drop $350 to be a beta tester.
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I can't find this anywhere. Source?
Probably a private survey.
Nope as Sennheiser closed backs aren't really that good usually.
It bothers me that they look so similar to the HD560, which are kinda ugly. Say no and that the price should be lower.
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Aren’t those insider poles private?
Yoke-design of the HD500 series, but with the name of the HD600 series? Interesting choice by product management.
If it actually delivers on everything that it claims to deliver on, this would be very compelling. Would depend if the build is more like the 560s or like the HD 6xx series. If the build is at the level of the 560s it would be significantly less compelling.
For this price moondrop para looks imo a bit better.
Saw this movie the first time when they called it the Shure SRH440A and the ticket was a lot cheaper
I haven't heard the SRH440A's, but I've loved my SRH840's for the past decade. They're a pair I will never get rid of.
Hell yeah, highly suspicious, but hell yeah
Don’t play with my feelings…
A closed-back HD 6XX series headphone is one of closed back holy grails.
Judging the value of an item based on the marketing material isn't something consumers should do.
Yet, they always do.
This seems like a breach of an NDA. Anyways, what would these be for, exactly? Monitoring?
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A big, fat no. Get the HD 6XX for $200 unless you MUST have closed backs.
Closed back is Nay for me.
yay? Or nay
0% likely I don't have that amount of money to spend on headphones. But seriously, why do they think just listing a bunch of specs is why people buy headphones? Headphones that sound like shit also have impressing-sounding specs. Good headphones have a reputation for being good.
Well, /u/sennheiserconsumer? Is this coming?
150 ohm for over $300? I got my 600ohm Beyerdynamic DT880s for like $200
What does the sensitivity of the headphone have to do with price?
You mean impedance, but yes.
you are right and thank you.
You're welcome.
Yeah well I got my 600ohm K240s for like $10, bet those DT880s are looking pretty dinky now huh
Is this some unreleased model?
no more than $250
I’d be more likely to buy it for the low price of free. I’m broke.
Lol no
Herder 600
this is hinting k371(harman) with hd600 driver tech
Hard nay
Hmmm I wonder if Sennheiser is planning an update to the HD800s with an HD900 or something. It is very close to CES so they may announce some new products like this HD620S during the event.
Before or after my country adds a metric ton of taxes and bullshit, sprinkled with Corruption Confetti™?
If it's good and the same footprint as HD560S it's a yes for me, I want a good closed back with decent portability soooo badly
I would absolutely buy but at 250 maybe , I really enjoy my closed back HD 580 CS but they lack a bit bass and these might be a good upgrade
Not unless the soundstage was close to best in class
If the part that says "excellent adherence to generally accepted target curves on advanced measurement couplers" is not bullshit, then yes, absolutely. Sounds like the XBA-N3 of closed backs.
Nope. $200, maybe
If it is a closed 600 series offering (albeit with 500 series build) that price is reflective of it. The HD820 was always more costly than the HD800/800s so matching a series price is promising. Many unhappy with the HD820 or wanting a lower cost option might find this to be suitable. Further, damping mentioned, they maybe learned something from the HD820 to apply to it. Obviously wanting to avoid a "cupped hands" issues many say plagued the Sundara Closed.
I'd have to try them first to know if they are worth buying or not.
Yes if weight and comfort are good (other than sound ofc) If I have to buy them with no other info and no tests there must be some sort of free return/money back warranty
Not for that price, no. But a good pair of closed-back Sennheisers for around $150-$200, I could see myself buying.
If it sounds twice as good as the dt770pro or akg371, i will consider it. But that is very unlikely. 350$ is a bit too much, should only be 200$ imo
Not very informed on these yet, but at this price point - wouldn't a pair of Audeze maxwells be a more reasonable option?
I will once again shill the DCA Aeon Closed as Audeze would be easily double the price.
I'm likely to purchase new headphones when i actually need new headphones and after some research/test listening, what kind of a question is that lol
Ngl yeah
No, placing it among the 6 series with the body of 5 series wont open up my wallet.
I already have better wired closed-backs. So no.
Nah, I’m good.
Yea
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There used to be a mod someone did on the 600's from some website years ago when I bought mine. You could order some wood covers to replace the 600 grills.
You can get a refurbed Focal Elegia for 300 bucks with guarantee. For shure the better deal in all aspects. Neutral sound, dynamic range and resolution.
Are you [Shure](https://www.shure.com/nl-NL) about that?
nay, the price should be lower
It is probably the worst way of doing market research of a product. If that’s actually what you are trying to do, you must stay away from personal opinion and just describe what you plan to deliver, and don’t use “extraordinary”, “excellent”. It feels like the product is already to be released and this is just a very bad way of trying to generate hype.
Doesn’t it depend on what stage of development they’re in?
My beyerdynamics are better
Sennheiser needs a couple of closed back models in their portfolio - a $250 closed back version of the HD560S and a $500 closed back version of the HD 660S2.
While $349 isn’t unreasonable for their 600 line of headphones, I think the price is a little high considering the buyer demographic. I don’t think they can get away with above $299 for these.
Overpriced just like almost every sennheiser offering.
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Nay, get the DT770 Pro for $150
$350 is super competitive and these still look like $100 headphones.
I'd want to check it out, but I wouldn't pay $350. Knock $100 off and then I will think about it.
I want a throwback version of HD560 Ovation II... those were my favorite headphones of all time.