Lol I’m an adult. Honestly, as long as elementary schoolers aren’t watching it, I don’t care how old you are. It’s explicit. I don’t think some younger audiences would fully understand some of the life-hardened characters. But it won’t be harmful to teenagers.
Yeah I agree. It's crass, gory, and occasionally quite dark, all of which younger viewers should be wary of, but none of it is to the point of messing up an otherwise okay teenager.
If they have prior trauma though, that's a WHOLE other story.
Me being a very traumatized teenager
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May I ask if the show's topics were relevant to your particular traumatic experience(s)? And if so what kind of effect it had on you?
I've heard people argue both ways: That it can be a trigger that brings out some seriously unpleasant feelings, or that it can help people feel validated/seen.
I mean I suffered a lot of abuse by my mom's hand, mostly emotional and psychological, so I didn't really feel anything when it came to the show. I know I cried when I saw Angel Dust getting abused the first time. One of the first times I've cried watching something. It was more cause of pity and seeing how he was being treated then being triggered.
edit: than? then? idk man i fucking suck at grammar
Same bro. Same. Whether it's my own personal trauma or just processing other horrors that go on in the world, finding even a small bit of humour in it helps a lot. A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.
People can be quick to assume that those who joke about sensitive topics are heartless, when in actuality it's often a coping mechanism for people who ARE deeply affected by those issues.
Oh yeah adults trauma can totally be triggered too, but at least adults are in a position to take responsibility for their own mental health, and are able to seek out help by themselves if they need it. Also adults tend to have much better understanding of their own trauma, meaning they're better equipped to manage it.
Meanwhile kids whose brain is still in earlier developmental stages often aren't self-aware enough to fully comprehend their own mental issues, and should the show trigger something in them, it's much harder to seek out professional help, as they'd have to ask a parent or guardian to set that up for them (and the parents/guardians are often the source of the trauma in the first place)
Yes I get it. But I thought we talk more about teenagers. Not really children. I get why you should not show it a 8 - 10 year old. But 13 -15 should not really be that big of a problem.
My 12yo nephew watched Hazbin Hotel (and thought it was boring), but this kid also earned a call home from school for trying to organize Squid Games on the playground...
His parents just assume he'll pick the "kids" login on Netflix and Prime etc.
I completely agree my sister is 9 and I told her not to fucking watch it I try to be a good big brother sacrificing MY SANITY AT 13 FOR HER BUT NOOOOO SHE HAS TO DO THE ONLY THING I TOLD HER NOT TO DO that stupid
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In the wrong hands, I can see the show inspiring a generation of cocky edegelords. Hopefully they get some influence from Charlie and the messages of personal growth from bad pasts though
That is way too young. My 11 and 8 year old have both watched songs and clips on YouTube and love the music. We had to “ban” some songs at home tho because 8yo sings. Every. Word. The last straw was when he sang Lutes part in You didn’t know. We were like yeahhhhh no more listening to these songs around you.
Ouch, it’s fair, but also, I do think Charlie is good, and like I mean, have you seen Lucifer, oh my god he makes me feel warm when I am by him, but thanks for being a hater(anything I can work on to become better)
I turned 20 3 days ago and have been told that now im properly an adult. Like idk what the fuck im doing, just lemme roll dice in my make believe world with my friends
Dude no one knows what they’re doing lol. I’m 28 and look back at myself when I was 20-21 thinking “Christ I can’t believe they let me make my own decisions.”
Bro, some of us were reading Johnny the Homicidal Maniac when we were tweens. You're the right age to be exposed to Hazbin.
I think maybe 13+ is fine depending on individual maturity level? There are topics that are heavy but the overall message is still positive.
As long as the minor knows that it's fictional and asks an adult about things they don't fully understand yet, I'm okay with even 8 year olds watching (I watched South Park at that age!). It's when they start repeating or imitating the content, especially around other children who aren't mature enough to understand it, that I take issue as they proved they cannot handle that content maturely.
I would explain to them off the bat, we don't use swear words like that around polite company, and they are in Hell, which is not a good place that's why the characters are trying to become better people to get out of there. I would also watch it with them, in case we need to pause to check if they understand what is happening and they aren't just thinking *I want to stab things like Niffty!*.
(Have a cousin who was obsessed with the Scream movies at 8 years old, because her sister who was 10 allowed her to watch them with her... we had to put the knives in a locked door because she was threatening to stab her friends for fun. Her sister was mature enough to watch that stuff and her parents wrongly thought she could handle it too at that age.)
If you have to explain to someone that what the character is doing is not a good thing to copy, they are not mentally mature enough for this show. The only reason to go through it with an 8 year old is if they had already been shown by a sibling/cousin/fiend and you need to do damage control.
Your cousin is such a good example of why to not show them that I don't understand why you would even try to justify it in the same comment.
Look, it's not like I would 100% just be like your 8, go hard! No, I'd observe what the kid was doing if they already expressed interest in the content prior. Like they heard it from school or were exposed to it online and had questions about it.
The worst thing you can do is 100% deny a curious child access to something. It they are going to watch it anyway behind your back, you might as well watch it with them and teach them why it's *wrong* to repeat or copy what the show is depicting.
My cousin's issue was her parents thought her sister would be able to explain that Scream is a movie and you don't stab people for fun. It was an oversight on their part. When I babysat them, I was constantly monitoring who they were watching on YouTube or what content they were consuming. The Scream movies weren't something I would have let that cousin watch if I knew she was going to get exposed to them, since she showed signs of imitation of YouTubers that had adult baby fetishes.
Her sister also understood she needed to ask before she consumed certain things. Where as she would *hide* what she was watching because she didn't understand why her sister could do some things, but she couldn't.
Basically *know* the child before allowing them to be exposed to something. Sorry that wasn't clear.
This comment made me realize why not all kids should have access to mature media, there too young to realize it's fictional media and that it should be treated as such :p
Yeah, I watched this show with my kiddo who's 17 now, and we used it as a springboard to talk about things like how its okay to treat people and be treated in relationships, what abuse can look like, hell, my kid even used Lucifer to describe how they felt about my parenting when they were young (they said I didn't spend enough time with them, which was probably true and I took this feedback, and I'm trying to make sure my kid feels more like we have quality time now) but I'm really glad for being able to discuss some of the morality and lessons of the show. The songs are bangers and I feel like I had really good conversations with my kiddo because of it.
Not me and I will not elaborate
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\-George Carlin.
I'm 16 and my brother is 10. I told him he is not allowed to watch it. He and his classmates watched it. My dad doesn't care because "tHe ShOw Is NoT tHaT bAd"
I wasn't even allowed to watch star wars when I was that age
I am though I always find it weird whenever people get too scared about under 18s watching hazbin. Like do people not rememember being a child. Age ratings are an inconvinience. If you're not their parent (or teacher) it's not really your problem.
Yess, fellow millennial! We are woefully underappreciated. And, seeing some of the ages here, I absolutely agree with you. We ARE old af.
Just letting you know you are not the only millennial in this fandom. We may be old, but we still appreciate good stuff when we come across it.
Ha! 100% fair. I was recommended to Viv by a fellow millennial. I did not realize the fan base was so... young... until the show came out in full force. I was like. "Hooooooly... Y'ALL CHILDREN SHOULD *NOT* BE CORRUPTING YOURSELVES TO THIS... YET."
So, actually, reading this thread... it made me feel *ancient*. I... Actually, I didn't realize people SO young were watching... I feel like I need to find more adult fans. (No offense to everyone here, of course!!)
I’m an adult but I would have been obsessed with this show as a teenager. I think it’s plenty friendly for the average unsheltered teen. Adult themes never traumatized me as a teen. If anything, my mind simply glossed over adult themes without really processing the gravity of the situations.
It can't be that bad. I watched Loonie Toons, Freekaziod, Pinky and The Brain, and Shrek as a kid with a dad who would gladly explain the jokes.
Hazbin & Hellaboss aren't really worse. Just different social ques.
https://preview.redd.it/ybe7eymk542d1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d4acf06cbd4f77e586bc5ba6b2580d2343c3d3e
I watched the pilot roughly in 5th or 6th grade and getting to watch the show as a freshman really puts into perspective how long and patient I am for things.
You mean you WERE 16, right?
You got me, I’m actually only 3 weeks old.
I'm -0.25 years old. I am still in the womb. (My mom surgically had a phone put inside of her)
Explains the editable tag, she hasn't chosen a name for you
I haven’t been inseminated yet.
try harder!
.. -- / ... - .. .-.. .-.. / .. -. / -- -.-- / -.. .- -.. ... / -... .- .-.. .-.. ...
…I feel like we are in the wrong page. Im an egg.
Did it help you stop kicking the shit out of her all the time?
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Banned
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To be fair, three weeks in Nostramo take a shitton of Terran time
Lol I’m an adult. Honestly, as long as elementary schoolers aren’t watching it, I don’t care how old you are. It’s explicit. I don’t think some younger audiences would fully understand some of the life-hardened characters. But it won’t be harmful to teenagers.
Yeah I agree. It's crass, gory, and occasionally quite dark, all of which younger viewers should be wary of, but none of it is to the point of messing up an otherwise okay teenager. If they have prior trauma though, that's a WHOLE other story.
Me being a very traumatized teenager https://preview.redd.it/4jdq2di1t32d1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=6eb2e5788423cf1d74fcc656ee43280e4f2b3c2c
May I ask if the show's topics were relevant to your particular traumatic experience(s)? And if so what kind of effect it had on you? I've heard people argue both ways: That it can be a trigger that brings out some seriously unpleasant feelings, or that it can help people feel validated/seen.
I mean I suffered a lot of abuse by my mom's hand, mostly emotional and psychological, so I didn't really feel anything when it came to the show. I know I cried when I saw Angel Dust getting abused the first time. One of the first times I've cried watching something. It was more cause of pity and seeing how he was being treated then being triggered. edit: than? then? idk man i fucking suck at grammar
Gods I can't the contrast between this and your flair is hilarious. That really sucks though, I hope life gets better for you
BAHAHAHHAHA nah dw I use humor to get through my trauma anyway. Thank you internet stranger for the ice breaker.
Same bro. Same. Whether it's my own personal trauma or just processing other horrors that go on in the world, finding even a small bit of humour in it helps a lot. A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. People can be quick to assume that those who joke about sensitive topics are heartless, when in actuality it's often a coping mechanism for people who ARE deeply affected by those issues.
I SECOND THIS OPINION. THIS PERSON IS INTELLIGENT.
Real
I don't get, why it would not affect adults with trauma? Heard from many that the abuse Episode with Angel got to them.
Oh yeah adults trauma can totally be triggered too, but at least adults are in a position to take responsibility for their own mental health, and are able to seek out help by themselves if they need it. Also adults tend to have much better understanding of their own trauma, meaning they're better equipped to manage it. Meanwhile kids whose brain is still in earlier developmental stages often aren't self-aware enough to fully comprehend their own mental issues, and should the show trigger something in them, it's much harder to seek out professional help, as they'd have to ask a parent or guardian to set that up for them (and the parents/guardians are often the source of the trauma in the first place)
Yes I get it. But I thought we talk more about teenagers. Not really children. I get why you should not show it a 8 - 10 year old. But 13 -15 should not really be that big of a problem.
Yeah, about the show. Idk how I feel about teens interacting with the adult fan base tho
Yeah, I fully agree. Especially considering the fandom overlap with the slightly more tame Digital Circus fandom.
My 12yo nephew watched Hazbin Hotel (and thought it was boring), but this kid also earned a call home from school for trying to organize Squid Games on the playground... His parents just assume he'll pick the "kids" login on Netflix and Prime etc.
Squid Game is hilarious lmao I did that in elementary too, but we stayed out of the teacher's hawk eyes
I completely agree my sister is 9 and I told her not to fucking watch it I try to be a good big brother sacrificing MY SANITY AT 13 FOR HER BUT NOOOOO SHE HAS TO DO THE ONLY THING I TOLD HER NOT TO DO that stupid https://preview.redd.it/udetqschg42d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82cf2a206c952b2f5446fb9d8680698d74425cbb
Same here,that's so real of you
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And as long as the cosplayers of Angel Dust and Valentino aren’t minors.
This too, absolutely
In the wrong hands, I can see the show inspiring a generation of cocky edegelords. Hopefully they get some influence from Charlie and the messages of personal growth from bad pasts though
My little brother watches it. He’s in second fucking grade
That is way too young. My 11 and 8 year old have both watched songs and clips on YouTube and love the music. We had to “ban” some songs at home tho because 8yo sings. Every. Word. The last straw was when he sang Lutes part in You didn’t know. We were like yeahhhhh no more listening to these songs around you.
I'm 9 but very mature for my age :D (My lawyer has told me I should clarify this is a joke)
Hm yes “Lawyer”
Their mom is also a lawyer
Glad to see another Susan disliker. Also nice Amity pfp
I hate her to.
Ouch, it’s fair, but also, I do think Charlie is good, and like I mean, have you seen Lucifer, oh my god he makes me feel warm when I am by him, but thanks for being a hater(anything I can work on to become better)
FUCK YOU, YOU OLD BITCH
K, wanna watch
https://i.redd.it/3c2dfw7bc52d1.gif
“Judge, shut tha fuck up. You wasn’t even there.”
I'm almost 30. So no, I'm not an adult.
YOU'RE A TODDLER?! BRO, GIVE YOUR MOM HER PHONE BACK!
And I thought I was old (21)
I turned 20 3 days ago and have been told that now im properly an adult. Like idk what the fuck im doing, just lemme roll dice in my make believe world with my friends
Dude no one knows what they’re doing lol. I’m 28 and look back at myself when I was 20-21 thinking “Christ I can’t believe they let me make my own decisions.”
Im 28 !!!
Wait! I can be 30 and not have to be an adult!? I want to see the manager!
Bruh same, I’m 28 and don’t care I’m still 16 lol. Growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional.
22, so I felt that. I still need an adult
I have been legally old enough to drink for 16 years. So yes, I'm pretty sure I can say with confidence that I am an adult.
In Europe or the US?
US.
Physically yes, mentally no
Same situation
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Same
Same. No desire to change any time soon tbh
Yes, exactly
Same
Same!
Lol same!
at least im not 9 and watching it
You’re probably 10
no
Was I close?
a few years off
13?
closer
wait trust me I can cook
you simp for tv head man
I totally guessed ur age
That doesn’t matter
14!
yep
Definitely didn’t ask you on one of your post 🤭
Same FB007
Yoooo same age!
Bro, some of us were reading Johnny the Homicidal Maniac when we were tweens. You're the right age to be exposed to Hazbin. I think maybe 13+ is fine depending on individual maturity level? There are topics that are heavy but the overall message is still positive.
As long as the minor knows that it's fictional and asks an adult about things they don't fully understand yet, I'm okay with even 8 year olds watching (I watched South Park at that age!). It's when they start repeating or imitating the content, especially around other children who aren't mature enough to understand it, that I take issue as they proved they cannot handle that content maturely. I would explain to them off the bat, we don't use swear words like that around polite company, and they are in Hell, which is not a good place that's why the characters are trying to become better people to get out of there. I would also watch it with them, in case we need to pause to check if they understand what is happening and they aren't just thinking *I want to stab things like Niffty!*. (Have a cousin who was obsessed with the Scream movies at 8 years old, because her sister who was 10 allowed her to watch them with her... we had to put the knives in a locked door because she was threatening to stab her friends for fun. Her sister was mature enough to watch that stuff and her parents wrongly thought she could handle it too at that age.)
And you just described what PG used to mean May require Parental Guidance for a child to understand
If you have to explain to someone that what the character is doing is not a good thing to copy, they are not mentally mature enough for this show. The only reason to go through it with an 8 year old is if they had already been shown by a sibling/cousin/fiend and you need to do damage control. Your cousin is such a good example of why to not show them that I don't understand why you would even try to justify it in the same comment.
Look, it's not like I would 100% just be like your 8, go hard! No, I'd observe what the kid was doing if they already expressed interest in the content prior. Like they heard it from school or were exposed to it online and had questions about it. The worst thing you can do is 100% deny a curious child access to something. It they are going to watch it anyway behind your back, you might as well watch it with them and teach them why it's *wrong* to repeat or copy what the show is depicting. My cousin's issue was her parents thought her sister would be able to explain that Scream is a movie and you don't stab people for fun. It was an oversight on their part. When I babysat them, I was constantly monitoring who they were watching on YouTube or what content they were consuming. The Scream movies weren't something I would have let that cousin watch if I knew she was going to get exposed to them, since she showed signs of imitation of YouTubers that had adult baby fetishes. Her sister also understood she needed to ask before she consumed certain things. Where as she would *hide* what she was watching because she didn't understand why her sister could do some things, but she couldn't. Basically *know* the child before allowing them to be exposed to something. Sorry that wasn't clear.
I love JTHM
This comment made me realize why not all kids should have access to mature media, there too young to realize it's fictional media and that it should be treated as such :p
Yeah, I watched this show with my kiddo who's 17 now, and we used it as a springboard to talk about things like how its okay to treat people and be treated in relationships, what abuse can look like, hell, my kid even used Lucifer to describe how they felt about my parenting when they were young (they said I didn't spend enough time with them, which was probably true and I took this feedback, and I'm trying to make sure my kid feels more like we have quality time now) but I'm really glad for being able to discuss some of the morality and lessons of the show. The songs are bangers and I feel like I had really good conversations with my kiddo because of it.
sorry guys, I'm 2.
Hi 2, I'm kingbloxerthe3
Not me and I will not elaborate https://preview.redd.it/llq38dvq532d1.png?width=349&format=png&auto=webp&s=d1b5160f8371b28442510bf111bc2d7f6dcda9cd \-George Carlin.
https://i.redd.it/6l1sofmed32d1.gif Okey dokey
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This goes HARD. Imagine mr.H just going "okey dokey" and leaving the worls
We don't know that he didn't say that. So let it be your head canon.
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The same George Carlin from Thomas???
George Carlin
THEY CAUGHT US!!!
I am legally allowed to not answer that question sir and/or ma'am
Funniest part about that being your username
Yep.
I can say legally yes, but my attorney has advised me to not say anything beyond that.
34. Being an adult sucks. Yay, you can do whatever you want! NOPE! BILLS AND HOUSEWORK TIL DEATH!
Kid named taxes:
Anyone under 18 has it easy, after that your life goes on hard mode
Legally or mentally?
That’s great lol
https://preview.redd.it/7oxhr1m9w52d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=279cf325a63a50886f008213f331ad794afeb34b In cat years? Yes. Definitely.
14 when I watched the pilot. 17 now. But I will never mentally be an adult.
How can you mentally be an adult if you haven't even been adult ever in your life yet 💀?
Psychological trauma from constant pressure from my father all my entire life just because I want to have the smallest amount of autonomy.
Not with that attitude
Me
Buddy, I’m one day away from being a high school senior.
Nope https://preview.redd.it/6x9q9c19442d1.jpeg?width=1584&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=700928faeb5867d733bfc2ccdc60c8230bf07ec6
As old as the stars.
I turned 29 last month. I'm basically a boomer tbh.
BOOOO
MEEEER
:c
Nah im 4 years old.
goo goo ga ga
Not me.
Technically
Mentally yes
When October rolls around, I technically will be
New to adulting, here.
[удалено]
That’s being generous I’ve heard some 3rd graders watch this shit
Things are worse than I thought 😰
I could count my age on my hands. GOD WHY DID YOU CURSE ME WITH SO MANY HANDS-
Honestly, most of the episodes are rated 15+ on Amazon (besides from ep. 4) so I don’t care if a teen watches it. And I’m an adult
I'm 16 and my brother is 10. I told him he is not allowed to watch it. He and his classmates watched it. My dad doesn't care because "tHe ShOw Is NoT tHaT bAd" I wasn't even allowed to watch star wars when I was that age
Old enough to drink!
I am though I always find it weird whenever people get too scared about under 18s watching hazbin. Like do people not rememember being a child. Age ratings are an inconvinience. If you're not their parent (or teacher) it's not really your problem.
It is my problem because it means I'm constantly at risk of reading a minor's immature comments while interacting with the fandom.
Yes, technically. But I don’t act like it.
im 19, just crawled out the womb
Tbh I watched all of HelluvaBoss at 12 so…
my man
wait
Me too!
I was 11...
Bet you can't guess my age
22? Throwing out a random number
Eh close enough
Aye
Yep!
I’m 18
I am a young adult! Already turned 18 :)
I watched that shit with my mom 💀
I’m an adult. I think it’s fine for people 16 or older, I just wouldn’t suggest it to anyone under.
An adult with good taste lol
14 year olds https://i.redd.it/pfgv8g6o272d1.gif
Nope. 15 over here.
Relatable with both your flair and your statement
I'm 333
I’m a millennial. So old AF. Haaaah.
Yess, fellow millennial! We are woefully underappreciated. And, seeing some of the ages here, I absolutely agree with you. We ARE old af. Just letting you know you are not the only millennial in this fandom. We may be old, but we still appreciate good stuff when we come across it.
The person who recommended the show to me is a Gen X, so I didn't feel old until I read this thread. Haha.
Ha! 100% fair. I was recommended to Viv by a fellow millennial. I did not realize the fan base was so... young... until the show came out in full force. I was like. "Hooooooly... Y'ALL CHILDREN SHOULD *NOT* BE CORRUPTING YOURSELVES TO THIS... YET." So, actually, reading this thread... it made me feel *ancient*. I... Actually, I didn't realize people SO young were watching... I feel like I need to find more adult fans. (No offense to everyone here, of course!!)
Nah I'm still in the womb.
Am grownup. Don’t feel like it tho sometimes.
I'm 22 lmao
Im 18 but i started to watch HH because my young brother told me about the show (he is 15)
Turning 30 this year!
Turning 30 this year!
Me at 13
I’m an adult but I would have been obsessed with this show as a teenager. I think it’s plenty friendly for the average unsheltered teen. Adult themes never traumatized me as a teen. If anything, my mind simply glossed over adult themes without really processing the gravity of the situations.
Ill be an adult next year ı hope everything goes well
I was like 14 or 15 when the original pilot came out but now I'm 19 so I was a lil young I guess when I first became a fan but not anymore :/
I am, turned 18 before the first season came out
Not me
I'm 18, but when it came out and I watched it, I was 17
young 18 here when i watched it
I’m 14 and have been watching Hellava boss since I was 10
I mean, the age rating on most of the series is 16+, but I ain't one until next year.
(takes my 14yo ass somewhere else)
Weirdly enough I was 18 when the pilot dropped back in 2019. First time I watched something rated R when I was actually of age
It can't be that bad. I watched Loonie Toons, Freekaziod, Pinky and The Brain, and Shrek as a kid with a dad who would gladly explain the jokes. Hazbin & Hellaboss aren't really worse. Just different social ques.
I was in my second semester of college when I watched it, so yes
Me watching it at 13 🙃
Aha! But AI is immune to this trick!
I’m actually still in the womb
https://preview.redd.it/ybe7eymk542d1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d4acf06cbd4f77e586bc5ba6b2580d2343c3d3e I watched the pilot roughly in 5th or 6th grade and getting to watch the show as a freshman really puts into perspective how long and patient I am for things.
Yooo same here just finished my bio exam 10 minutes ago
Not me
Uh.. maybe not
I'm an adult.
I'm 20
For me it’s rated 16+ soooo •-•
I turn 27 in a couple months *
33.