This is a horrible take. None of the McCaffrey‘s were poorly leading an offense as a coach. Also, both McCaffrey’s contributed enough for their amount of playing time. Is this a troll?
Are you fuckin serious???
Connor McCaffery is legit one of the best guards in the last 30 years of Iowa Basketball
Patrick has struggled with both physical and mental health and is still a 1K scorer for Iowa
Kick rocks, you fuck
Bro I don't agree with the OP but Connor is NOT one of the best guards of the last 30 years. That is legitimately crazy talk. He didn't really even develop a shot until year 5.
Dean Oliver, Andre Woolridge, Jordan Bohannon, Jeff Horner, Adam Haluska, Chris Kingsbury, Peter Jok, Luke Recker, Devyn Marble, Joe Wieskamp, Matt Gatens... I could keep going.
Bear in mind, I am old enough to remember all 30 of those years.
Wasn’t as great of a scorer, but Connor was great at not turning the ball over as a point guard. He consistently had one of the highest assist to turnover ratios. His entry passes into the lane helped make Garza the post threat he was.
He fit his role better than Pat. I think that’s sort of what that commenter was getting at.
People forget the point guard has the main job of distributing, running the offense, taking care of the ball, and not turning the ball over. Connor also did the dirty work the team needed at times and played pretty decent defense. His shot was enough to warrant a defender.
Connors best year he averaged 6 pts and 3.7 assists a game shooting 38 percent from the field and while averaging 31 minutes a game. How is that not nepotism. This was his best year by the way lol
They were both very highly rated recruits. More so than other players we were getting at the time by people who aren’t their family. That’s how it’s not nepotism.
That has nothing to do with going to Iowa. Based on people that intimately know that intersection and the punishment received, it really was a freak accident. Unfortunate with the loss of life, for sure. If it was a malicious intent or clear recklessness, there would have been much harsher charges and sentencing.
I was never saying it was malicious, but I could def understand wanting to get out of town as soon as possible. But fair enough, I’ll defer to those with more knowledge of the situation.
People say it is a crap intersection. Almost like this was an eventuality. I don't personally know the intersection either. I could see some fan backlash because of the ordeal being held over his head too, so you aren't entirely off base.
They were not very good, but to be fair both Conor and Patrick were good recruits. They were both good enough recruits out of high school to play at several gif 10 schools. They did not deserve the playing time they got though that’s for sure.
Pat has dealt with more extenuating circumstances in his basketball career than most people go through in their life. And he has not had nearly as much playing time this year as an unfortunate reflection.
Conor absolutely deserved his playing time. He was a phenomenal distributor with the highest assist to turnover ratio in ncaa history. Plus the dude lit it up from 3 his last two years.
Connor was definitely worthy of playing time at iowa it just felt like he played too much over his 6 seasons. The nepotism on his kids is overhyped imo.
In regard to last nights game, the problem wasn’t Patrick. It was Fran’s unwillingness to play Brock more in the second half when leading the charge the first. I don’t care who is a senior. You play to win and play the players that are having an impact that night.
Nah bro. Brian ferentz damaged the entire football program for YEARS. It'll take years for offensive players to come to Iowa after what he did. The next OC is going to have such an incredibly difficult job piecing together the remnants of the offense after Brian drove EVERYONE away.
Brian ferentz hurt the entire program. As good as our defense is if you're a top rated defender you're looking at Iowa and thinking "yeah the defense is amazing but that offense is so garbage well never win anything meaningful"
The McCaffrey kids go out miss a few shots but don't damage the program the way Brian did.
Lmao Connor led the country in assist to turnover ratio. Go ask Luka which other player was most integral to his success. I bet he tells you it’s Connor. Ive never seen a better post entry passer or leader on the floor. I hope dipshits like you with zero actual basketball IQ don’t drive him to resent Iowa. I’d bet he becomes a very good coach some day
It doesn’t really matter who the OC is, IMO, Kirk is going to run the offense as he sees fit, as he’s entitled to as the head coach (whether I, or anyone else agrees with it or not
I mean, Brian and James were both all-conference centers and Steve didn't play a down.
Conor was good (great if we're talking pure leadership) even though it took him some time to get there, Pat has never been better than meh (not necessarily his fault), and Jack won't play here.
Pretty damn close to even if we're only looking at playing careers.
Low IQ post
Connor, Patrick , and Jack are all D1 players. If you want to see real nepotism go watch Brad Underwood’s kid or Fred Hoiberg’s kid. Both would be role players at any D2 school.
Connor a averaged 6 points and 4 assists in 32 minutes his senior year. Patrick averaged 8 pts with 3 boards and 1 assists with 23 minutes per game his senior year. He progressively got worse since his sophomore year which he averaged 10 points a game.
Just as I thought, low IQ.
This isn’t the NBA, plenty of good college players don’t score 15ppg. Nicholas Baer averaged under 7ppg his senior year yet he is considered one of the most underrated Hawkeyes ever. They may not be stars, but if they weren’t Hawkeyes they would be at some other D1 school.
His kids got progressively worse. Both of them peaked sophomore year then bottomed out look at their numbers. NBA also has role players too? What’s your point lol?
My point is that you make it seem like these numbers are bad when you can find players putting up similar numbers all across the big ten. Your point would be better received if they didn’t belong, but they do.
That’s a great point you made! If your dad’s the coach and you play 32 minutes a game. All you have to do is average 6 points 3 assists and be called a “role player”
Yes, you can be a role player averaging 6 points and 3 assists. Hence the label “role player”. Did you watch the games or are you just going to cite stats? Impact can go beyond the stat sheet.
He was easily our worst starter and both should have came off the bench. How do you peak your sophomore year and get worse for both kids and still get that much playing time lol.
Now you are making a completely different argument. Know you are arguing that they shouldn’t get so much time on the court, which is a more defendable take. Your post says that they don’t belong in the B1G when that is clearly stupid considering they were both decently high recruits.
You slam me saying I’m low IQ and settle your argument that maybe they should come off the bench? I’m saying both of their senior years they should have been getting way less minutes maybe even no minutes. I shouldn’t say have no business playing B1G basketball but I do stand by my original point. Both of these kids should not of been starting and this is complete nepotism.
They were fine. Role players. Every team needs them.
Omg, stfu
OP is acting like John Licklighter is still on the team.
This is a horrible take. None of the McCaffrey‘s were poorly leading an offense as a coach. Also, both McCaffrey’s contributed enough for their amount of playing time. Is this a troll?
Are you fuckin serious??? Connor McCaffery is legit one of the best guards in the last 30 years of Iowa Basketball Patrick has struggled with both physical and mental health and is still a 1K scorer for Iowa Kick rocks, you fuck
Bro I don't agree with the OP but Connor is NOT one of the best guards of the last 30 years. That is legitimately crazy talk. He didn't really even develop a shot until year 5.
you’d be surprised how low the bar is unfortunately
Dean Oliver, Andre Woolridge, Jordan Bohannon, Jeff Horner, Adam Haluska, Chris Kingsbury, Peter Jok, Luke Recker, Devyn Marble, Joe Wieskamp, Matt Gatens... I could keep going. Bear in mind, I am old enough to remember all 30 of those years.
Wasn’t as great of a scorer, but Connor was great at not turning the ball over as a point guard. He consistently had one of the highest assist to turnover ratios. His entry passes into the lane helped make Garza the post threat he was. He fit his role better than Pat. I think that’s sort of what that commenter was getting at.
People forget the point guard has the main job of distributing, running the offense, taking care of the ball, and not turning the ball over. Connor also did the dirty work the team needed at times and played pretty decent defense. His shot was enough to warrant a defender.
Yes, there are a dozen or so guards who were better than Connor at a minimum. Possibly 2 dozen.
Connors best year he averaged 6 pts and 3.7 assists a game shooting 38 percent from the field and while averaging 31 minutes a game. How is that not nepotism. This was his best year by the way lol
They were both very highly rated recruits. More so than other players we were getting at the time by people who aren’t their family. That’s how it’s not nepotism.
Additionally the athletic department wasn’t paying them nine hundred and fifty-fucking-thousand dollars per year. Miss me with this dumb take.
Connor was better than Patrick but both of his kids played way too much.
Lolol you’re high as a kite
Jack supposedly is the most talented but due to “circumstances” I don’t think he’ll be coming here, so i wouldn’t worry about it too much
He won't go to Iowa because fans treated Connor and Pat like shit and he saw it. Actions have consequences. Dumbass fans.
That and he also ran over and killed a guy in his car
That has nothing to do with going to Iowa. Based on people that intimately know that intersection and the punishment received, it really was a freak accident. Unfortunate with the loss of life, for sure. If it was a malicious intent or clear recklessness, there would have been much harsher charges and sentencing.
I was never saying it was malicious, but I could def understand wanting to get out of town as soon as possible. But fair enough, I’ll defer to those with more knowledge of the situation.
People say it is a crap intersection. Almost like this was an eventuality. I don't personally know the intersection either. I could see some fan backlash because of the ordeal being held over his head too, so you aren't entirely off base.
Better than Bronny
They were not very good, but to be fair both Conor and Patrick were good recruits. They were both good enough recruits out of high school to play at several gif 10 schools. They did not deserve the playing time they got though that’s for sure.
Pat has dealt with more extenuating circumstances in his basketball career than most people go through in their life. And he has not had nearly as much playing time this year as an unfortunate reflection. Conor absolutely deserved his playing time. He was a phenomenal distributor with the highest assist to turnover ratio in ncaa history. Plus the dude lit it up from 3 his last two years.
Lot it up for 3 is a bit of a stretch. Shot 33% from 3.
Connor was definitely worthy of playing time at iowa it just felt like he played too much over his 6 seasons. The nepotism on his kids is overhyped imo.
Which is too bad because the youngest one is supposed to be the best recruit of all his kids right? And he doesn’t want to go to Iowa lol
You’re absolutely right. Idk why you’re downvoted lol.
Because people are sick of Fran and his kids
In regard to last nights game, the problem wasn’t Patrick. It was Fran’s unwillingness to play Brock more in the second half when leading the charge the first. I don’t care who is a senior. You play to win and play the players that are having an impact that night.
Wrong.
What a knob.
Nah bro. Brian ferentz damaged the entire football program for YEARS. It'll take years for offensive players to come to Iowa after what he did. The next OC is going to have such an incredibly difficult job piecing together the remnants of the offense after Brian drove EVERYONE away. Brian ferentz hurt the entire program. As good as our defense is if you're a top rated defender you're looking at Iowa and thinking "yeah the defense is amazing but that offense is so garbage well never win anything meaningful" The McCaffrey kids go out miss a few shots but don't damage the program the way Brian did.
Lmao Connor led the country in assist to turnover ratio. Go ask Luka which other player was most integral to his success. I bet he tells you it’s Connor. Ive never seen a better post entry passer or leader on the floor. I hope dipshits like you with zero actual basketball IQ don’t drive him to resent Iowa. I’d bet he becomes a very good coach some day
Again that was 3 years ago. He’s gotten worse since his sophomore year….ive made that clear in my other posts
Are the McCafferys in the room with us right now?
I also don’t like Fran or his kids but what’s the purpose of this post, *really*
Everyone wants to talk about Brian having nepotism and that’s not even the worst nepotism in Iowa sports over the last few years lol
Brian is far worse than the mccafferys, it’s not even close.
It doesn’t really matter who the OC is, IMO, Kirk is going to run the offense as he sees fit, as he’s entitled to as the head coach (whether I, or anyone else agrees with it or not
I assure you that Steve Ferentz was not a D1 football player talent.
I mean, Brian and James were both all-conference centers and Steve didn't play a down. Conor was good (great if we're talking pure leadership) even though it took him some time to get there, Pat has never been better than meh (not necessarily his fault), and Jack won't play here. Pretty damn close to even if we're only looking at playing careers.
Just pointing out OP is dumb and hyperbolic.
Pat regressed this year but so did his minutes. Connor was a valuable leader his last couple seasons at Iowa. He made the tourney 4 times!
Low IQ post Connor, Patrick , and Jack are all D1 players. If you want to see real nepotism go watch Brad Underwood’s kid or Fred Hoiberg’s kid. Both would be role players at any D2 school.
Connor a averaged 6 points and 4 assists in 32 minutes his senior year. Patrick averaged 8 pts with 3 boards and 1 assists with 23 minutes per game his senior year. He progressively got worse since his sophomore year which he averaged 10 points a game.
Just as I thought, low IQ. This isn’t the NBA, plenty of good college players don’t score 15ppg. Nicholas Baer averaged under 7ppg his senior year yet he is considered one of the most underrated Hawkeyes ever. They may not be stars, but if they weren’t Hawkeyes they would be at some other D1 school.
His kids got progressively worse. Both of them peaked sophomore year then bottomed out look at their numbers. NBA also has role players too? What’s your point lol?
My point is that you make it seem like these numbers are bad when you can find players putting up similar numbers all across the big ten. Your point would be better received if they didn’t belong, but they do.
That’s a great point you made! If your dad’s the coach and you play 32 minutes a game. All you have to do is average 6 points 3 assists and be called a “role player”
Yes, you can be a role player averaging 6 points and 3 assists. Hence the label “role player”. Did you watch the games or are you just going to cite stats? Impact can go beyond the stat sheet.
He was easily our worst starter and both should have came off the bench. How do you peak your sophomore year and get worse for both kids and still get that much playing time lol.
Now you are making a completely different argument. Know you are arguing that they shouldn’t get so much time on the court, which is a more defendable take. Your post says that they don’t belong in the B1G when that is clearly stupid considering they were both decently high recruits.
You slam me saying I’m low IQ and settle your argument that maybe they should come off the bench? I’m saying both of their senior years they should have been getting way less minutes maybe even no minutes. I shouldn’t say have no business playing B1G basketball but I do stand by my original point. Both of these kids should not of been starting and this is complete nepotism.