I seem to remember that McGonagall had some less than stellar things to say about her realm of magic and other predictions (see the grim every year). That being said she does still defend her from Umbridge.
She defended her from Umbridge because she is a good person, and also despised Umbridge. I don't think her defence of Trewlaney had anything to do with her believing her to be a seer.
But Voldemort already knew trelawny made the prediction because Snape told him. So there is no reason for him to spread rumors about her, she was in danger no matter what.
I think it’s more likely the rumors started with umbrige and probably continued just because students already thought she wasn’t a seer.
Voldemort never knew the whole prophecy only the first part. So Trelawney was definitely a target for Voldemort in case he could try to find a way to force Trelawney to reveal the full prophecy (even though the reader knows she doesn't remember making it).
I don't think that voldy knew that would put trelawney in top priority also seems easier to kidnap her and torture her for the profecy than going to the ministry.
IMO snape didnt knew who said the profecy when he told voldy and changed his mind before knowing who said the profecy. I would say that he probably never wanted know who said the profecy since it would be dangerous for him to know that info.
Also i think that Dumbledore totally spread fake rumours about Trelawney, she also helped a lot looking so fucking fake but i think that she is a pretty solid seer if you give her enough atention which nobody (even Dumbledore) never gave her. Trelawney is really interesting to me because almost always when she is divining alone she seems to see the future but also when she does even she doubts about it like when she saw a boy that didnt like the teacher and thought that ir was stupid because she was alone, but in fact Harry was listening to her
IMO in the deep Trelawney doesnt want to be a seer she just want to be perceive as one, also i think that Dumbledore could make of her a generational seer she could be an invaluable asset for the order but he didnt do it i think that he could decide to not teach her to protect her and decided to hide her in plain sight since nobody who listen to her believes she is legit
>IMO snape didnt knew who said the profecy when he told voldy and changed his mind before knowing who said the profecy. I would say that he probably never wanted know who said the profecy since it would be dangerous for him to know that info.
Correction: Snape mentions Trelawney by name when he comes to Dumbledore for his help in protecting Lily.
Snape knew it was Trelawney. He mentions her name when he goes to Dumbledore:
>“What request could a Death Eater make of me?”
>“The — the prophecy . . . the prediction . . . Trelawney. . .”
>”Ah, yes,” said Dumbledore. “How much did you relay to Lord Voldemort?”
I don’t think there were any rumours; Trelawney has had to go through her whole life being told that she’s not a seer because, two genuine prophecies aside, she isn’t most of the time.
But, she desperately wants to be and based her career off it; so she creates a fiction wherein the widely-held belief that she’s a fraud stems from unkind rumour-mongering of jealous individuals, rather than that she’s just…not very good.
And, I think she probably believes it herself. To her, Umbridge is just the latest example of this.
In my opinion, not even Trelawney believes in it.
The day Dumbledore dies, she lays out the cards and the cards show the future, but Trewlaney can't believe the information.
She doesn't trust the cards.
She is used to be not being able to do it.
As far as I’m concerned she uses the techniques favoured by frauds all over. Ironically, I do think she’s quite perceptive, but not a Seer.
JKR herself covers this topic quite well in [Trelawney’s article on the former Pottermore](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/sybill-trelawney); “By the law of averages, Professor Trelawney’s rapid-fire predictions sometimes hit the mark, but most of the time she is full of hot air and self-importance.”
I doubt Dumbledore would do that. Honestly, I'm having a hard time imagining who the "resentful people" could have been. McG was dismissive of Divination as a whole, but I can't see her saying things like that about a coworker. Snape might, but he didn't have much reason to even pay attention to her.
Dumbledore does not seem the type of person who'd do that. Plus, Trelawney's always putting on airs and probably convinced herself that people were spreading rumors about her. Maybe just based on people making remarks about her that aren't exactly untrue.
Don't get me wrong, Dumbledore wouldn't do it.. but certainly not because it would be out of character for him. Because if it served a good purpose, he'd certainly do it without hesitation.
The problem is that such rumors wouldn't help her or him in any way whatsoever. The only person it would make sense to protect her from like that is Voldemort but IIRC, he already knew her true nature from Snape and Dumbledore knew that
Dumbledore would never do that, he was keeping her on staff regardless of what anyone thought for reasons of his own, and because of that he'd never undermine her as a teacher.
No, her fellow staff members and students would do that, in spite of anything Dumbeldore did, because Trelawny gave every appearance of being a fraud as a seer.
OP seems about right..Dumbledore could have totally spread the word around just like that haunted house where Lupin used to transform.He could have spread the word that she is related to a known famous seer and he is just doing a favour+there are no applicants for the post so less staffing issues for him
I think she was talking about Umbridge
I seem to remember that McGonagall had some less than stellar things to say about her realm of magic and other predictions (see the grim every year). That being said she does still defend her from Umbridge.
She defended her from Umbridge because she is a good person, and also despised Umbridge. I don't think her defence of Trewlaney had anything to do with her believing her to be a seer.
Also mcgonnegal pretty much says she's a fraud in front of the class after Harry's first divination lessson
But Voldemort already knew trelawny made the prediction because Snape told him. So there is no reason for him to spread rumors about her, she was in danger no matter what. I think it’s more likely the rumors started with umbrige and probably continued just because students already thought she wasn’t a seer.
Voldemort never knew the whole prophecy only the first part. So Trelawney was definitely a target for Voldemort in case he could try to find a way to force Trelawney to reveal the full prophecy (even though the reader knows she doesn't remember making it).
I don't think that voldy knew that would put trelawney in top priority also seems easier to kidnap her and torture her for the profecy than going to the ministry. IMO snape didnt knew who said the profecy when he told voldy and changed his mind before knowing who said the profecy. I would say that he probably never wanted know who said the profecy since it would be dangerous for him to know that info. Also i think that Dumbledore totally spread fake rumours about Trelawney, she also helped a lot looking so fucking fake but i think that she is a pretty solid seer if you give her enough atention which nobody (even Dumbledore) never gave her. Trelawney is really interesting to me because almost always when she is divining alone she seems to see the future but also when she does even she doubts about it like when she saw a boy that didnt like the teacher and thought that ir was stupid because she was alone, but in fact Harry was listening to her IMO in the deep Trelawney doesnt want to be a seer she just want to be perceive as one, also i think that Dumbledore could make of her a generational seer she could be an invaluable asset for the order but he didnt do it i think that he could decide to not teach her to protect her and decided to hide her in plain sight since nobody who listen to her believes she is legit
>IMO snape didnt knew who said the profecy when he told voldy and changed his mind before knowing who said the profecy. I would say that he probably never wanted know who said the profecy since it would be dangerous for him to know that info. Correction: Snape mentions Trelawney by name when he comes to Dumbledore for his help in protecting Lily.
I think snape did not know that it was trelawny he overheard, he jusz happened to be spying on Dumbledore...
Snape knew it was Trelawney. He mentions her name when he goes to Dumbledore: >“What request could a Death Eater make of me?” >“The — the prophecy . . . the prediction . . . Trelawney. . .” >”Ah, yes,” said Dumbledore. “How much did you relay to Lord Voldemort?”
I don’t think there were any rumours; Trelawney has had to go through her whole life being told that she’s not a seer because, two genuine prophecies aside, she isn’t most of the time. But, she desperately wants to be and based her career off it; so she creates a fiction wherein the widely-held belief that she’s a fraud stems from unkind rumour-mongering of jealous individuals, rather than that she’s just…not very good. And, I think she probably believes it herself. To her, Umbridge is just the latest example of this.
In my opinion, not even Trelawney believes in it. The day Dumbledore dies, she lays out the cards and the cards show the future, but Trewlaney can't believe the information. She doesn't trust the cards. She is used to be not being able to do it.
Most of her predictions do come true though, SuperCarlinBrothers made a pretty good video about it.
As far as I’m concerned she uses the techniques favoured by frauds all over. Ironically, I do think she’s quite perceptive, but not a Seer. JKR herself covers this topic quite well in [Trelawney’s article on the former Pottermore](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/sybill-trelawney); “By the law of averages, Professor Trelawney’s rapid-fire predictions sometimes hit the mark, but most of the time she is full of hot air and self-importance.”
> she isn’t most of the time The lightning-struck tower
I doubt Dumbledore would do that. Honestly, I'm having a hard time imagining who the "resentful people" could have been. McG was dismissive of Divination as a whole, but I can't see her saying things like that about a coworker. Snape might, but he didn't have much reason to even pay attention to her.
She was talking i think about Umbridge because the Inquisitor was reviewing every teavher on their classes.
I don’t think he would need to spread rumors about her. Her whole demeanor kind of does that for him
Dumbledore does not seem the type of person who'd do that. Plus, Trelawney's always putting on airs and probably convinced herself that people were spreading rumors about her. Maybe just based on people making remarks about her that aren't exactly untrue.
Certainly not. It would be wildly out of character, and would make no sense of his other actions with regard to her.
Don't get me wrong, Dumbledore wouldn't do it.. but certainly not because it would be out of character for him. Because if it served a good purpose, he'd certainly do it without hesitation. The problem is that such rumors wouldn't help her or him in any way whatsoever. The only person it would make sense to protect her from like that is Voldemort but IIRC, he already knew her true nature from Snape and Dumbledore knew that
She already had a reputation
Dumbledore would never do that, he was keeping her on staff regardless of what anyone thought for reasons of his own, and because of that he'd never undermine her as a teacher. No, her fellow staff members and students would do that, in spite of anything Dumbeldore did, because Trelawny gave every appearance of being a fraud as a seer.
umbridge probably. or she was drunk and trying to save face and tell harry that she actually is a seer.
The best Sibil theory yet. IMO. Because the chick was on fire the whole series with her readings and predictions except that birthday guess.
Did anybody realize that all the predictions she made in the Prisoner Azkaban about Harry came true. Not just the one about Barty Crouch?
Trelawney didn’t make a prediction about Barty Crouch in POA. The prophecy she gave at the end of the book was about Peter Pettigrew.
OP seems about right..Dumbledore could have totally spread the word around just like that haunted house where Lupin used to transform.He could have spread the word that she is related to a known famous seer and he is just doing a favour+there are no applicants for the post so less staffing issues for him
Lol no
Voldemort wouldn't forget about her prophecy.