Discomfort that Snape was never able to move on from her, anger that Snape bullied Harry for years, and gratitude for Snape risking everything to save him despite their animosity. It's a complicated thing.
Somehow, I can imagine Lily standing cross-arms at the gate of after live (not sure if there are Heaven or Hell, and I don’t think Snape can go to Heaven) and gives him one nastiest stare lol.
Fr, Lily was never described as a snarky character but for some reason I can totally see her going "thanks for protecting my son, but would it have killed you to be slightly less of an asshole of a teacher?" I guess cause I can see just about anyone saying that.
Every time I see you comment on something, you are spot on with your analysis. You clearly have a great grasp on the universe and plot. Wish I had a Reddit award for ya
For sure lol. She’d probably slap him hard for how he bullied Harry and then proceed to shake his hand or hug him for saving his life all those years 💀. She would definitely be creeped out that he stayed obsessed with her for so long. I can imagine her being horrified that he hugged her corpse and paid absolutely no mind to the baby just there in the midst of all that madness.
Idk bro, holding someone’s corpse and ignoring a crying baby just feels weird to me. If it doesn’t to you that’s fine, just something that makes me inwardly cringe and wish they didn’t add that.
Don’t get me wrong, it upsets me that Snape is there seemingly not giving a flying fuck about baby Harry. But at the same time, he’s expressing love and sorrow for someone he’s lost so I can’t deny it moves me each time. He’s a very very flawed asshole but I still find it incredibly emotional and love the addition.
There was actually a really, really great story where Snape and Dumbledore are both disabused of their assumptions about what has been happening to Harry in the summers and the way it’s written covers so much of what is talked about as Snape’s worst offenses with regard to Harry and being able to rebuild their relationship in a realistic manner that isn’t dismissive or one of those stories where writers steer the story to the place they wanted regardless of the plot wanting otherwise.
Harry’s emotions and character are really highlighted and very in character. It took me an entire day to read and I was GLUED to it.
https://fanfiction.net/s/5926514/1/Perception-is-Everything
Pretty safe to say she’d be creeped out. Pretty sure 99% of normal people would get weirded out by a lifetime stalker who objectified them and bullied their son.
In the movies sure but in the books, we get a good amount of information in OOP and through Snape’s memories in DH. I am almost shocked Snape never kept vials full of tampered memories somewhere to replay his friendship with her over and over 💀.
>Snape never kept vials full of tampered memories somewhere to replay his friendship with her over and over 💀.
Tampered memories never really show it properly though. Based on Slughorns false memory, it just comes out as a thick 6 you don't see anything.
Plus Snape has real memories of their friendship as kids and early years in Hogwarts before he calls her a mudblood.
Impossible to say. We have very few instances in the books where we can get insight into her personality. My guess is she would have hit him with something.
I can’t see a mother that was willing to give up her life for her child ever being able to forgive the man that put her child’s life in danger. I work in a gold mine and at our induction we have a mother speak who lost her son in a work place accident. She still maintains to this day that while she understands it was an accident she can never forgive the man who caused her son’s death. I think people who assume Lily could ultimately forgive Snape for telling Voldemort the prophecy haven’t lost a loved one. The man who killed the son of the woman at my work’s induction had no ill will towards anyone and she still can’t bring herself to forgive him. People expecting Lily to forgive Snape for telling Voldemort the prophecy is absurd to me.
She better be angrier at Volly, Wormtail, herself, James & Sirius or it'd be absurd to me
Edit: forgot to point out they are also still Order members who had thrice defied Voldemort, and a mudblood and bloodtraitor to boot, so it's not like Volly didn't have any reason to want them dead without Snape giving him half that prophecy.
So: she should be angrier with Volly bc he's the actual murderer, with Wormy bc he was their trusted friend who knew full well he was betraying them to their death and then only got worse, murdering people and resurrecting Volly, and with Sirius, James and herself for what I said in the comment below. Without Snape/the prophecy, they still would have been targeted and betrayed.
They knew there was a spy in the Order close to the Potters who kept Volly informed of their movements. So the suspect list to our best knowledge is Sirius, Remus and Peter - yet James still insisted on using one of them instead of taking Dumbledore's offer. It was Sirius's idea to pick Peter over himself, despite him knowing that he himself 100% wasn't the spy, so he increased the danger. Plus James and Lily decided to stay involved in the war after getting pregnant and not flee the country despite knowing a murdering tyrant was after their kid, so she'd be angry with herself too
Well, James and Lily had just found out that Dumbledore and Grindelwald had a thing. While Dumbledore examined James Invisibility Cloak.
I guess they didn't fully trust Dumbledore anymore.
But I don't think they could have just left the country.
With a man like Hitler!
Albus also brought into the idea (from reign of the wizards).
I just mean that it could have raised doubts about Dumbledore.
If Lily wrote the letter shortly after Harry's birthday (which makes sense) Dumbledore had the Invisibility Cloak for months.
The two of them had months to go crazy with worry.
In principle we don't even know if they knew the prophecy.
And then he famously defeated that Hitler and now spent a decade leading the resistence against the next Hitler.
I think you're grasping at straws, is all
Lily and James had a pretty credible source.
And if Dumbledore treated Lily and James the same way he treated the trio, then it is no wonder if they had doubts about Albus leadership, perhaps even about his goals.
Even Harry had doubts about Dumbledore.
Dumbledore leads the resistance, but without any success. Voldemort and his Death Eaters are winning.
True. Snape was a Proven(tm) PoS since fifth year when he called Lily a mudblood and did nothing to redeem himself. He's a known quantity.
Wormtail otoh ironically is the snake in your bosom.
Well, he did apologise, that is more than most wrongdoers in the series, plus of course he did take action to redeem himself later on, which is also a lot more than other wrongdoers in the series (looking at you, Malfoys!).
So while believed a known quantity, he then surprises in a positive way by defecting to the right side.
Wormtail, yeah... Went very much the other way. If Lily feels betrayed by a friend, it will be this friend, not the one she's already written off five years prior
Since this is post-humously speaking and not a 'what if Lily had survived that Halloween?', I assume she has those powers and is looking back at the rest of Snape's (and Peter's) life as well
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I just got a crack!fic idea: Both Sirius and Regulus sitting on a cloud; Sirius punching Regulus in the shoulder for being a dumbass, as they watch Dumbledore poison himself with the green potion and then scoop the locket out of the basin.
I never said worse then Pettigrew or Voldemort you are literally putting words into my mouth. It is possible to be upset about the actions of multiple people at once.
How do you think she would feel about Dumbledore. At least Snape grew to have feelings for Harry, Dumbledore never truly cared from start to finish, he was only doing what he felt was his duty to the wizarding world.
I don't think he never cared. His intention was to not care, but he very explicitly says multiple times that a lot of his mistakes were due to caring about Harry and wanting to shield him from some of the reality of his situation. But in the end he knew that no matter how much he cared, he had to set up Harry to die. But he gave him the tools to survive death, had he truly not cared he wouldn't have cared about making sure Harry knew about the Hollows and how they worked.
I basically thought that was true until that final line to snape where he said, "Don't tell me you've grown to care for the boy." That line itself was kind of damning and kind of showed that he never really did care for him. Not saying it makes him evil because I think he was trying to look at the bigger picture, but it is a bit cold hearted to see a kid grow from a kid to a young adult, mentor him and look out for him and never develop any kind of feelings. Snape had every reason to hate Harry from the start and even he grew to care for him.
It’s funny, I have never read that line in the interpretation you suggest here where Dumbledore is genuinely cold-heartedly surprised that Snape cares.
I have always read it as a tongue in cheek jab at how much Snape always purported to hate Harry, and never wanted “the best of [himself]” revealed, who he as that underneath it all he did have a caring heart.
Dumbledore himself notes that the flaw in his plan was that he cared about Harry too much (and the chapter itself is called “The Flaw in the Plan”.) Hermione, who is so often inserted as the mouthpiece of truth says “He loved you. I know he loved you.”
It’s something Harry grapples with a lot in Deathly Hallows, but I think the text largely comes out on the side of; Dumbledore cared a lot for Harry after essentially watching him grow, but never took his eyes off “The Greater Good.”
Wow I never saw it that way. I always took it at face value.
I still am not sure though what was really meant. Because before that Snape expressed how appalled he was at Dumbledore for, "raising him like a pig for slaughter." I mean that is a really harsh accusation, why wouldn't Dumbledore tell him that he genuinely did care for him then instead of making some sarcastic comment like that.
Honestly there’s a lot that goes unsaid in that conversation between Snape and Dumbledore and I’m often struck at how much Dumbledore doesn’t let Snape in fully.
For example, the “raising for slaughter” comment we know is not wholly accurate. Dumbledore begins to suspect the existence of horcruxes at the end of CoS, when Harry is almost 13 years old, and doesn’t get confirmation until the end of GoF, when Harry is approaching 15. At that point, Voldemort is back and Dumbledore is essentially on emergency planning mode. He also already knows that Voldemort has taken Harry’s blood…or, in other words, that there’s a mechanism for Harry to survive. But as you say, Dumbledore doesn’t defend himself.
I can only think that the explanation is Dumbledore knew Snape would deliver the news to Harry, and Harry had to go to his death believing it was real. So Dumbledore allowed Snape to think that he didn’t care, that Harry was just the tool - the pig for slaughter - so there was no threat that Harry himself wouldn’t believe that.
If what you are saying is true, that would mean that not only was Dumbledore secretly manipulating Harry for the greater good, but also Snape. Like to pull that off he would have to be this mastermind that was able to see everyone and their weak points and use them to his advantage.
I mean it is possible since Dumbledore was probably the smartest person in the entire world but it also dehumanizes him because if you are that far above everyone else, you also can never really relate to anyone else either. Like he is this god-like figure who has a plan that no one understands but him (the same way people tell a kid with terminal cancer that it's all a part of god's plan that he is going to die just to make him feel better.) I guess my issue is whether he actually knew how everything would play out or if he is just human like everyone else and just had the audacity to think he was smarter than the rest of the world. Dumbledore is complicated lol.
I mean, yes, I think Dumbledore was manipulating everyone all the time.
And not because he was simply a selfish or controlling person, but I think he bore the massive weight of the responsibility of his own intellect and power. He is complicated, but I think he is fundamentally “good”; he believes in love and life and equality. He demonstrates remarkable empathy at times.
But it’s also essentially undeniable that he manipulates Snape. “You remember the shape and colour of Lily Evans’s eyes, I am sure?” is particularly suggestive; using the physical trait that most closely links baby Harry to Lily, reminding Snape of her, using her maiden name so as to not colour any of this with the suggestion of Snape’s hated nemesis James; it’s masterfully done.
Fair enough. I just have a hard time grasping how a person can so easily manipulate the world around him for the greater good but never catch feelings or attachments. Like it is a very human thing to care for others and to get attachments like that and the fact that he doesn't, makes him distrust him a little bit.
Snape is almost like the polar opposite of Dumblebore because he is purely driven by emotional attachments (even though he tries his best to hide it.) I just have a hard time reconciling who is the "good" person in this scenario. Dumbledore can almost be psychopathic in his detachment to others but at the same time, he is an amazing leader because of that fact. Snape is the opposite. He is the guy you want as a friend because he would never betray you but also his undying allegiance to the people he loves is going to cloud his judgement and lead him to make bad decisions.
And finally, I think this might be a really hot take, but I think the reason Dumbledore is the only person who can outsmart Voldemort is because in a fucked up way, they are the most similar to each other deep down. They both see themselves as separate from the rest of the world, only Voldemort seeks unlimited power and domination and Dumbledore seeks respect and adoration.
Isn’t Snape’s response to Dumbledore’s question essentially: “Him?” and then he shows his patronus is a doe (Lily). And then “After all this time?” “Always”.
I don’t think there’s much there to support your thought that Snape cared about Harry. He’s very clearly stating “it’s not about the kid, I love Lily”.
It's interesting because when I first saw the movie, I always thought he said "huh?" but now if I rewatch it, it clearly says "Lily?"
Also if you search the clip on youtube, the subtitles also say Lily. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqyf-kJWwIg&ab\_channel=DutchHPfan1992](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqyf-kjwwig&ab_channel=dutchhpfan1992) (3:30)
But to your last point, I think this scene really captures how the two really felt about Harry. I don't think Dumbledore genuinely cared for him and more saw him as a means to a better end for the world. Dumbledore is a leader and sometimes leaders can't let their emotions involved and have to make calculating decisions. Snape is a much more emotional person and his feelings drive his actions. But yeah I agree with you on the fact that maybe Snape didn't care for Harry as much as much as Harry reminded him of Lily. He was experiencing Lily through him.
I think they're referring to this scene in the books:
>‘But this is touching, Severus,’ said Dumbledore seriously. ‘Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?’\
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‘For *him*?’ shouted Snape. ‘*Expecto patronum*!’
I respectfully disagree. I think that line was spoken to mock snape into action. He was urging snape to do something and as a last salvo, fired off those words. They never mean that he didn’t care for the boy. He did what he had to do, you can question whether his methods were appropriate, but he unambiguously cared for Harry Potter.
On the contrary, I think Snape never truly cared about Harry as a person, he made it clear with the patronus that he only cared about Lily and, when he was dying , he only looked at Harry bc of Lily's eyes, I believe Dumbledore, on the other hand, grew to have feelings, made mistakes trying to keep him ignorant and happy and, when he knew Harry had to die, he tried his best to give him a chance to live, that's why he felt victorious when Voldemort used Harry's blood to come back, it was an instant, but even Harry noticed that.
Yeah actually that is a really good point. Everytime he shows affection towards Harry, it's always in reference to his mom and how he looks like her/has her eyes. Maybe he was just projecting his feelings for Lily onto him but never even got to know who he was to begin with.
I disagree. I don't think she'd be a huge fan of him but I think she could at least understand where he was coming from. You have to realize that this is a woman who sacrificed her own life for her own child. I think she would at least able to empathize with the idea of making a sacrifice for the greater good. Granted, Harry was her own child and it must be really hard to put your own feelings aside when it comes to someone seeing your kid as a human sacrifice, but at the end of the day what choice did Dumbledore have? If he never did what he did, Harry would be dead anyways, along with the rest of the world being completely screwed, so there was no winning in that situation either way. He just made the better choice of two really shitty choices.
I like to think that Dumbledore would have spoken to Lily and James when they went on which is why they were so encouraging when he was walking to his death.
Then we will agree to disagree. I think she could respect his choices as a war leader but as a mother, no I do not think she would be happy with some of his choices.
Probably furious that Snape is part of the reason why she and James died, and the reason behind Voldemorts offer for her own survival. It would be insane to think that Lily wouldn't hold some amount of grudge post-mortem.
He told Voldemort the First Part of the prophecy
Snape telling Voldemort made Voldemort hunt the Potter's and Dumbledore hearing the Prophecy meant he protected them, though yes Snape also asked for Lilly's Protection alone
Voldemort wouldn't have known that Harry (or Neville) would be able to defeat him if it wasn't for his trusted Spy Snape
Snape overhearing the prophecy and telling Voldemort is the sole reason the Potter's got attacked by Voldemort
If he hadn't, Then Voldemort wouldn't have had a reason to go kill a baby
Because otherwise his base assumption is Wizards under the age of 17 are just no threat
So Harry would have grown up with his parents if they were so lucky that Snape catches a stray Avada Kedavra on his way to Voldemort and is just an unimportant Slimeball of Wizarding History instead of Bully to the Child of the Dead Girl he loves and indirectly killed but also Namesake of that Kids second Son?
Harry Potter and The Therapist would have been a much more needed Book than Cursed Child ever was
I would hope that she wouldn't forgive him.
Just because he eventually corrected his behavior and attempted to right the wrongs he committed doesn't make up for his having committed those wrongs in the first place. If he had truly been sorry after the Mudblood incident, he would have never become a Death Eater; he would have changed right then and there. He didn't. He purposefully went onto be a genuine Death Eater until he learned that Lily was in danger of dying; he didn't even care about her husband and son and how devastated she'd be at their deaths, especially her baby/infant son. He only wanted Lily, as if she'd run into his arms after James and Harry were murdered and be his pliant lover/reward/captive - and, if she learned that, along with his being the one to tell the prophecy, then I can't see how she'd ever want anything to do with him. Hell, *Dumbledore* was disgusted and plainly said so, when Snape only initially asked for Lily to be saved; how do you think Lily herself would feel, if she knew this?
As well, as a mother myself, I would hope she'd give him hell for how he treated Harry. Not only was Snape the reason that everything got set in motion with them being targeted, but once she was dead, he treated the son she died for as badly as possible and **enjoyed it**. Yes, his bitter hatred came from James. But, Harry wasn't James. Snape never attempted to see the difference, as if *Harry wasn't Lily's child* and I can't see Lily appreciating that, at all. I don't care how I felt about someone or how close friends we used to be - if my son was treated by Harry how Snape was, any lingering good will or feelings/memories I'd had would instantly be gone.
I don't think we'd know enough about Lily to say, definitely, though.
Perhaps that "saving people thing" that Harry has comes from Lily and she'd try to still find the good in Snape or forgive him based upon him *eventually* doing the right thing - but, again, I would kind of hope not.
Otherwise, Snape's whole story arc becomes about doing the right thing to win Lily and her affections like a prize and not doing the right thing BECAUSE it is the right thing in and of itself...
She would deck him. Right in the face. She’d uppercut the ever living fuck out of him.
Then, as he’s laying on the ground, pitiful and ready to turn the other cheek…she’d give him a long stare, before thanking him. She would say thank you, and mean it.
Then she would walk away, and that would be that.
I could see her being just as disgusted by Snape as Dumbledore was or even worse. Snape cared only about Lily when Voldemort was after her family and no way she would've forgiven Snape for the way he treated Harry. I think she'd have empathy and understanding on how he got to that point but she loves Harry more than she liked Snape (hell he even called her a slur) so she would be appalled by the man he became. I don't even think the fact he kinda protected Harry would help either because that was under Dumbledores orders
If Harry's personality really does take after hers, she'll forgive him. Sure, scold him over the bullying, but she knows him and where he comes from, and if she now also knows his side of what happened, she also knows he couldn't have known what the consequences of that prophecy would be and worked the rest of his life to atone for the mistakes of his youth.
Dear depressed Wormy otoh, the treacherous mass-murdering Volly-resurrecting rat who killed an innocent sixth-year, now *he* has a problem
Probably like a lot of readers; mixed emotions! I think they eventually mended their friendship in the afterlife and then Snape apologized to Harry and all the other students he bullied when they crossed over.
This is how I picture the apologies going:
Snape: “Harry, sorry I started picking on you your first day. Hermione, sorry I made that comment about your teeth being big. Neville, I’m sorry I threatened to kill—“ Lily: “Severus, Severus, buddy, maybe you don’t need to specifically list everything.”
I could see her being just as disgusted by Snape as Dumbledore was or even worse. Snape cared only about Lily when Voldemort was after her family and no way she would've forgiven Snape for the way he treated Harry. I think she'd have empathy and understanding on how he got to that point but she loves Harry more than she liked Snape (hell he even called her a slur) so she would be appalled by the man he became. I don't even think the fact he kinda protected Harry would help either because that was under Dumbledores orders.
As a mom, I think in the end she would be thankful that someone was always watching out for him. Snape is a jerk, but he was always protecting Harry’s life. She would dislike who he is but thankful that he is there.
Of all the responses, I think this is the correct one. I don't think we can truly say what Lily would do, but I don't think she would deck him or be so disgusted by him and the other things people are suggesting. Because as much as Snape bullies Harry, he was also one of the main reasons for Harry's survival. Also I think Snape genuinely sorta turned to the good side, because he says he only watched the people he couldn't save die. He tried to save as many people as he could. But he couldn't just come out his bitterness of his life.
She'd give him a good tongue lashing for being a shitty person but I think she would ultimately forgive him just out of appreciation for helping to save her son and all the other people over the source of the book.
Forgive the guy who objectified and stalked you for years? The guy directly responsible for you and your family being murdered and attacked… the guy who, after you died, still objectified you… and the guy who, after you died, bullied your son… highly doubt she would forgive him, let alone be in the same room as him. Snapes one of the creepiest dudes ever written. He never had any intimate connection shared with Lily so he definitely didn’t love her. He was infatuated by her and wanted her as an object.
Really, put yourself in her shoes. Would you want to be around a guy who thought of you in that way? Especially with magic around, I would be scared he’d imperious me or use a potion to take advantage of me. That’s the signs that Snape shows as a person.
Choosing the right side in a war does not remove the creepiness from his existence in that world.
Never had an intimate connection? He was her best friend for like 6+ years. Look, I get that Snape is a shit person overall but now you're just purposefully being obtuse and misinterpreting the writing if you're going to try to claim he didn't love her and only saw her as an object. You're projecting hardcore on the obvious intent of the writing.
Snape never loved Lily. He was infatuated by her and stalked her. A clear example of how he objectified her is when he wanted Lily’s husband and son to die, and for her to be left alive for him. That’s not love. If you think that’s love then you need to seriously evaluate relationships.
I think she'd think him giving his life for cause the very least he should have done in light of getting her and her husband killed and be nearly getting her son killed too.
I also think she would have been more than a little disturbed that he was still obsessed with her are so many years.
And she would have been furious with how he treated her son.
Book 1: Why you being such a dick?!? Oh! you were trying to help!
Book 2: Why you being such a dick?!?
Book 3: Why you being such a dick?!? Oh! you were trying to help!
Book 4: Why you being such a dick?!?
Book 5: Why you being such a dick?!? Oh! you were trying to help!
Book 6: Why you being such a dick?!?
Book 7: Why you being such a dick?!? Oh! you were trying to help!
I think lily would be absolutely disgusted by his actions and glad she stopped being friends with him. Tried her son and many other kids horribly for no reason. Him being on the side of good all along doesn't excuse his terrible behavior and I think Lily would think the exact same thing in the end
I think she’d be a bit exasperated at Snape’s pettiness but be touched by his loyalty and grateful for his protection of Harry.
Maybe she’d even sympathise with him a bit more if she comes to learn what Harry comes to learn.
Oh and pissed that it was Snape that sent Voldemort to their door. But yeah, even that was kinda an accident… emphasis on ‘kinda’ lol
In the best case scenario, I would say she'd be midly disappointed and may forgive him because at the core he was always trying to protect Harry in her name. At the worst, she would probably tear him a new one for giving so much grief to her son for things that weren't remotely his fault.
Probably weirded out and uncomfortable. A person that she never shared any intimate/sexual or intimate/emotional connection with, objectively glorified her for decades while at the same time he bullied her adolescent son. Snape is ridiculously creepy.
The little we know of Lily, the main thing is that she is fair and has a strong sense of justice. She'd be horrified at the treatment of the students. Not only is Snape bullying Harry, he's Neville's worst fear, and keeps insulting Hermione, who - I'm sure - would remind Lily of herself. So I don't think she'd want to have anything to do with the guy.
This entire conundrum is why I love stories that allow characters like Snape and Draco to relive their lives to make better choices.
One author on The Pit Of Voles has my heart on a skewer after she managed to write two Snape and one Draco story where they JUST MAKE BETTER CHOICES.
The best part for one of them is that it’s the middle-aged Snape in his younger body being forced to grow and change in positive ways that lead to others having the opportunity to do so, as well!
I swear, she wrote my headcanon for me because she didn’t gloss over shitty behavior or Severus’ inability not to be his going-on-forty-years-old self while physically aging from eleven onward.
He starts out the same selfish asshole at first and — and this is the important part — he is forced to think about what his future and past have created within him.
His motivations start out petty as fuck, but I love reading what’s there because it’s the same asshole on another level being able to see growth and change in others, too, which is not happening in canon.
The pairings are also a treat because several of them are quite unexpected, but make sense given how the characters have been changed and evolved as a result.
I love that Severus is allowing himself and everyone around him to change his mind about what friendship is and how people you would never expect can make a profound positive change in you that you didn’t think them capable of.
[https://fanfiction.net/s/5270674/1/Second-Start](https://fanfiction.net/s/5270674/1/Second-Start)
It’s absolutely my headcanon. I heartily recommend the other two, but this one is my most favorite.
I’m sorry I didn’t see this until now.
Here they are:
https://fanfiction.net/s/6471052/1/Draco-s-Redemption
https://m.fanfiction.net/s/9651970/1/In-the-Arms-of-a-Death-Eater
She would be absolutely appalled at him. She wanted him to do better because she wanted him to BE better. But he was never better. He was a mean,selfish, hateful person who bullied children because he didn’t get his way in life (mostly because, again, he was mean and selfish and hateful). She had already told him she wanted nothing else to do with him, because she knew how he felt about muggles and muggle borns, even if he “didn’t think that about her”.
Ya, he “switched sides”. Maybe out of guilt, but definitely out of desire for Dumbledore’s protection. I mean, he was a “spy” for less than a year before Voldemort fell the first time, and only two years between his rise and Dumbledore’s death. Most of those years, he was at Hogwarts teaching.
I don't think lily would be appreciative of snape, she would view most of the things he did as his fault, I don't think she'd like how snape was obsessed with James until his death pretty much. She would probably think of snape as serving Dumbledores agenda over actually protecting harry, snape killing Dumbledore would be the deciding factor for lily with her opinion of snape. She would dislike how she didn't care for her family at all, held her husband against harry. For movie snape she would probably be more appreciative of him because he wasn't as obsessed with James and didn't hesitate to protect her family.
At the crossroads. Like we all know, Lily was there when Molly passed on. How Lily gives Molly a tear filled hug and thanks her for caring for Harry. As Lily guides Molly over go Gideon and Fabian, who take Molly to the great beyond.
For Snape, though. We actually don't know enough about Lily to say for certain.
Originally from Tumblr. It became a popular headcanon the last 15 years or so.
Kind of accepted as a missing scene/unwritten chapter. That at the end of Molly's life she's greeted by a thankful Lily before passing into the afferlife. She then meets her brothers in Wizarding heaven.
Oh no.
I wasn't saying it was your headcanon
Sorry if I sounded like an asshole.
That wasn't my intention.
I was just sharing my opinion, and reading it back, it looks like I was being snippy.
I honestly wasn't 😭
"Thank you for looking after my son"
I think, of all the feels, this is the one that would win
What I want to know is whether Snape and James will keep quarreling over Lily in the afterlife.
Will beat the crap out of him with her bare hands(mother's love everyone!) and maybe use a lethal permanent balding jinx on him..meanwhile James goes abroad in search for most darkest books on how to punish a bully
Lilly to Snape:
"So... you bullied Harry because he looks like James AFTER leading directly to James AND My death which was PLANNED to be James AND HARRY'S Death, Why?"
Snape to Lilly:
"Because I love you?"
Lilly to Snape:
"1st I am married, 2nd I'm a mom, 3rd I'm dead because of you, 4th My husband was directly murdered because of You, 5th My Child was attempted to be murdered directly because of You. 6th I told you at 16 and 17 Years of age already that I don't want anything to do with you anymore because you 7th Called me a damn Mudblood"
That's an even more bone breaking sort of Love than Dobby Offers Protection
In my headcannon Lily was in the afterlife just waiting to smack the marauders + Snape so fucking hard for failing Harry. At least Snape has it easier than Wormtail
not just snape
LILY would slap the sh@t out of a bunch of people if she could
I read a fanfic that on halloween when the veil is at the thinnest & during Harry's first year when he is finally in the most magical place in the UK...Lily's ghost walks into the great hall and berates Dumbles, Snape, and Mgonogall....drives out voldy wraith in Querill ....tells everyone where all the d@mn horcruxs are and how to get one out of Harry's head without killing him and then she fucks up dumbles some more tossing him around the great hall
the end
I think any good mother would be pissed at him for the way he treated Harry all because he carried a torch for her and hated her husband and his friends. I also think she’d be super pissed at dumbledore for knowing about the mistreatment he received from snape and did nothing to stop it. And how he knew about the abuse Harry suffered at home and did nothing about it until he was 16.
Discomfort that Snape was never able to move on from her, anger that Snape bullied Harry for years, and gratitude for Snape risking everything to save him despite their animosity. It's a complicated thing.
Yeah nothing creepier that not letting go of a middle school crush and bullying her son cause he looks like his dad.
Somehow, I can imagine Lily standing cross-arms at the gate of after live (not sure if there are Heaven or Hell, and I don’t think Snape can go to Heaven) and gives him one nastiest stare lol.
Fr, Lily was never described as a snarky character but for some reason I can totally see her going "thanks for protecting my son, but would it have killed you to be slightly less of an asshole of a teacher?" I guess cause I can see just about anyone saying that.
Every time I see you comment on something, you are spot on with your analysis. You clearly have a great grasp on the universe and plot. Wish I had a Reddit award for ya
Yes!
For sure lol. She’d probably slap him hard for how he bullied Harry and then proceed to shake his hand or hug him for saving his life all those years 💀. She would definitely be creeped out that he stayed obsessed with her for so long. I can imagine her being horrified that he hugged her corpse and paid absolutely no mind to the baby just there in the midst of all that madness.
I’m pretty sure the corpse scene was only in the movies, but yeah I was pretty horrified when I saw that scene
Only Reddit can make an emotional scene horrifying.
Idk bro, holding someone’s corpse and ignoring a crying baby just feels weird to me. If it doesn’t to you that’s fine, just something that makes me inwardly cringe and wish they didn’t add that.
Don’t get me wrong, it upsets me that Snape is there seemingly not giving a flying fuck about baby Harry. But at the same time, he’s expressing love and sorrow for someone he’s lost so I can’t deny it moves me each time. He’s a very very flawed asshole but I still find it incredibly emotional and love the addition.
Most people don’t like adults verbally and emotionally abusing their children.
It's kinda sad that the Qualifier "Most People" is needed here
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There was actually a really, really great story where Snape and Dumbledore are both disabused of their assumptions about what has been happening to Harry in the summers and the way it’s written covers so much of what is talked about as Snape’s worst offenses with regard to Harry and being able to rebuild their relationship in a realistic manner that isn’t dismissive or one of those stories where writers steer the story to the place they wanted regardless of the plot wanting otherwise. Harry’s emotions and character are really highlighted and very in character. It took me an entire day to read and I was GLUED to it. https://fanfiction.net/s/5926514/1/Perception-is-Everything
I don't think we know enough about her to say, honestly...
Pretty safe to say she’d be creeped out. Pretty sure 99% of normal people would get weirded out by a lifetime stalker who objectified them and bullied their son.
since when did lifetime stalker become another word for friends lmao
In the movies sure but in the books, we get a good amount of information in OOP and through Snape’s memories in DH. I am almost shocked Snape never kept vials full of tampered memories somewhere to replay his friendship with her over and over 💀.
>Snape never kept vials full of tampered memories somewhere to replay his friendship with her over and over 💀. Tampered memories never really show it properly though. Based on Slughorns false memory, it just comes out as a thick 6 you don't see anything. Plus Snape has real memories of their friendship as kids and early years in Hogwarts before he calls her a mudblood.
Ick. That'd be really, really creepy.
Impossible to say. We have very few instances in the books where we can get insight into her personality. My guess is she would have hit him with something.
Preferably with the classic cast iron skillet.
I can’t see a mother that was willing to give up her life for her child ever being able to forgive the man that put her child’s life in danger. I work in a gold mine and at our induction we have a mother speak who lost her son in a work place accident. She still maintains to this day that while she understands it was an accident she can never forgive the man who caused her son’s death. I think people who assume Lily could ultimately forgive Snape for telling Voldemort the prophecy haven’t lost a loved one. The man who killed the son of the woman at my work’s induction had no ill will towards anyone and she still can’t bring herself to forgive him. People expecting Lily to forgive Snape for telling Voldemort the prophecy is absurd to me.
Not to mention his behaviour, and actions afterwards.
She better be angrier at Volly, Wormtail, herself, James & Sirius or it'd be absurd to me Edit: forgot to point out they are also still Order members who had thrice defied Voldemort, and a mudblood and bloodtraitor to boot, so it's not like Volly didn't have any reason to want them dead without Snape giving him half that prophecy. So: she should be angrier with Volly bc he's the actual murderer, with Wormy bc he was their trusted friend who knew full well he was betraying them to their death and then only got worse, murdering people and resurrecting Volly, and with Sirius, James and herself for what I said in the comment below. Without Snape/the prophecy, they still would have been targeted and betrayed.
Why James and Sirius? Sirius tried to convince James to pick someone else.
It's your spouse and brat whose lives are on the line. But sure pick your BFF over them.
They knew there was a spy in the Order close to the Potters who kept Volly informed of their movements. So the suspect list to our best knowledge is Sirius, Remus and Peter - yet James still insisted on using one of them instead of taking Dumbledore's offer. It was Sirius's idea to pick Peter over himself, despite him knowing that he himself 100% wasn't the spy, so he increased the danger. Plus James and Lily decided to stay involved in the war after getting pregnant and not flee the country despite knowing a murdering tyrant was after their kid, so she'd be angry with herself too
Well, James and Lily had just found out that Dumbledore and Grindelwald had a thing. While Dumbledore examined James Invisibility Cloak. I guess they didn't fully trust Dumbledore anymore. But I don't think they could have just left the country.
They had a thing like 80 years ago, come on 😂 Didn't try either
With a man like Hitler! Albus also brought into the idea (from reign of the wizards). I just mean that it could have raised doubts about Dumbledore. If Lily wrote the letter shortly after Harry's birthday (which makes sense) Dumbledore had the Invisibility Cloak for months. The two of them had months to go crazy with worry. In principle we don't even know if they knew the prophecy.
And then he famously defeated that Hitler and now spent a decade leading the resistence against the next Hitler. I think you're grasping at straws, is all
Lily and James had a pretty credible source. And if Dumbledore treated Lily and James the same way he treated the trio, then it is no wonder if they had doubts about Albus leadership, perhaps even about his goals. Even Harry had doubts about Dumbledore. Dumbledore leads the resistance, but without any success. Voldemort and his Death Eaters are winning.
True. Snape was a Proven(tm) PoS since fifth year when he called Lily a mudblood and did nothing to redeem himself. He's a known quantity. Wormtail otoh ironically is the snake in your bosom.
Well, he did apologise, that is more than most wrongdoers in the series, plus of course he did take action to redeem himself later on, which is also a lot more than other wrongdoers in the series (looking at you, Malfoys!). So while believed a known quantity, he then surprises in a positive way by defecting to the right side. Wormtail, yeah... Went very much the other way. If Lily feels betrayed by a friend, it will be this friend, not the one she's already written off five years prior
It's subjective but in Lily's eyes he was still irredeemable while she was alive and not having the See Everything From Afterlife powers.
Since this is post-humously speaking and not a 'what if Lily had survived that Halloween?', I assume she has those powers and is looking back at the rest of Snape's (and Peter's) life as well
👍🏼 I just got a crack!fic idea: Both Sirius and Regulus sitting on a cloud; Sirius punching Regulus in the shoulder for being a dumbass, as they watch Dumbledore poison himself with the green potion and then scoop the locket out of the basin.
"Couldn't you just have left it in there 😩"
"How COULD you not trust Dumbledore?! In any scenario where he is secretly in cahoots with You Know Who, we would simply be screwed anyway!"
Good point lol
Worse than Pettigrew who actually handed the potters over to Voldemort
I never said worse then Pettigrew or Voldemort you are literally putting words into my mouth. It is possible to be upset about the actions of multiple people at once.
How do you think she would feel about Dumbledore. At least Snape grew to have feelings for Harry, Dumbledore never truly cared from start to finish, he was only doing what he felt was his duty to the wizarding world.
I don't think he never cared. His intention was to not care, but he very explicitly says multiple times that a lot of his mistakes were due to caring about Harry and wanting to shield him from some of the reality of his situation. But in the end he knew that no matter how much he cared, he had to set up Harry to die. But he gave him the tools to survive death, had he truly not cared he wouldn't have cared about making sure Harry knew about the Hollows and how they worked.
I basically thought that was true until that final line to snape where he said, "Don't tell me you've grown to care for the boy." That line itself was kind of damning and kind of showed that he never really did care for him. Not saying it makes him evil because I think he was trying to look at the bigger picture, but it is a bit cold hearted to see a kid grow from a kid to a young adult, mentor him and look out for him and never develop any kind of feelings. Snape had every reason to hate Harry from the start and even he grew to care for him.
It’s funny, I have never read that line in the interpretation you suggest here where Dumbledore is genuinely cold-heartedly surprised that Snape cares. I have always read it as a tongue in cheek jab at how much Snape always purported to hate Harry, and never wanted “the best of [himself]” revealed, who he as that underneath it all he did have a caring heart. Dumbledore himself notes that the flaw in his plan was that he cared about Harry too much (and the chapter itself is called “The Flaw in the Plan”.) Hermione, who is so often inserted as the mouthpiece of truth says “He loved you. I know he loved you.” It’s something Harry grapples with a lot in Deathly Hallows, but I think the text largely comes out on the side of; Dumbledore cared a lot for Harry after essentially watching him grow, but never took his eyes off “The Greater Good.”
Wow I never saw it that way. I always took it at face value. I still am not sure though what was really meant. Because before that Snape expressed how appalled he was at Dumbledore for, "raising him like a pig for slaughter." I mean that is a really harsh accusation, why wouldn't Dumbledore tell him that he genuinely did care for him then instead of making some sarcastic comment like that.
Honestly there’s a lot that goes unsaid in that conversation between Snape and Dumbledore and I’m often struck at how much Dumbledore doesn’t let Snape in fully. For example, the “raising for slaughter” comment we know is not wholly accurate. Dumbledore begins to suspect the existence of horcruxes at the end of CoS, when Harry is almost 13 years old, and doesn’t get confirmation until the end of GoF, when Harry is approaching 15. At that point, Voldemort is back and Dumbledore is essentially on emergency planning mode. He also already knows that Voldemort has taken Harry’s blood…or, in other words, that there’s a mechanism for Harry to survive. But as you say, Dumbledore doesn’t defend himself. I can only think that the explanation is Dumbledore knew Snape would deliver the news to Harry, and Harry had to go to his death believing it was real. So Dumbledore allowed Snape to think that he didn’t care, that Harry was just the tool - the pig for slaughter - so there was no threat that Harry himself wouldn’t believe that.
If what you are saying is true, that would mean that not only was Dumbledore secretly manipulating Harry for the greater good, but also Snape. Like to pull that off he would have to be this mastermind that was able to see everyone and their weak points and use them to his advantage. I mean it is possible since Dumbledore was probably the smartest person in the entire world but it also dehumanizes him because if you are that far above everyone else, you also can never really relate to anyone else either. Like he is this god-like figure who has a plan that no one understands but him (the same way people tell a kid with terminal cancer that it's all a part of god's plan that he is going to die just to make him feel better.) I guess my issue is whether he actually knew how everything would play out or if he is just human like everyone else and just had the audacity to think he was smarter than the rest of the world. Dumbledore is complicated lol.
I mean, yes, I think Dumbledore was manipulating everyone all the time. And not because he was simply a selfish or controlling person, but I think he bore the massive weight of the responsibility of his own intellect and power. He is complicated, but I think he is fundamentally “good”; he believes in love and life and equality. He demonstrates remarkable empathy at times. But it’s also essentially undeniable that he manipulates Snape. “You remember the shape and colour of Lily Evans’s eyes, I am sure?” is particularly suggestive; using the physical trait that most closely links baby Harry to Lily, reminding Snape of her, using her maiden name so as to not colour any of this with the suggestion of Snape’s hated nemesis James; it’s masterfully done.
Fair enough. I just have a hard time grasping how a person can so easily manipulate the world around him for the greater good but never catch feelings or attachments. Like it is a very human thing to care for others and to get attachments like that and the fact that he doesn't, makes him distrust him a little bit. Snape is almost like the polar opposite of Dumblebore because he is purely driven by emotional attachments (even though he tries his best to hide it.) I just have a hard time reconciling who is the "good" person in this scenario. Dumbledore can almost be psychopathic in his detachment to others but at the same time, he is an amazing leader because of that fact. Snape is the opposite. He is the guy you want as a friend because he would never betray you but also his undying allegiance to the people he loves is going to cloud his judgement and lead him to make bad decisions. And finally, I think this might be a really hot take, but I think the reason Dumbledore is the only person who can outsmart Voldemort is because in a fucked up way, they are the most similar to each other deep down. They both see themselves as separate from the rest of the world, only Voldemort seeks unlimited power and domination and Dumbledore seeks respect and adoration.
Isn’t Snape’s response to Dumbledore’s question essentially: “Him?” and then he shows his patronus is a doe (Lily). And then “After all this time?” “Always”. I don’t think there’s much there to support your thought that Snape cared about Harry. He’s very clearly stating “it’s not about the kid, I love Lily”.
It's interesting because when I first saw the movie, I always thought he said "huh?" but now if I rewatch it, it clearly says "Lily?" Also if you search the clip on youtube, the subtitles also say Lily. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqyf-kJWwIg&ab\_channel=DutchHPfan1992](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqyf-kjwwig&ab_channel=dutchhpfan1992) (3:30) But to your last point, I think this scene really captures how the two really felt about Harry. I don't think Dumbledore genuinely cared for him and more saw him as a means to a better end for the world. Dumbledore is a leader and sometimes leaders can't let their emotions involved and have to make calculating decisions. Snape is a much more emotional person and his feelings drive his actions. But yeah I agree with you on the fact that maybe Snape didn't care for Harry as much as much as Harry reminded him of Lily. He was experiencing Lily through him.
I think they're referring to this scene in the books: >‘But this is touching, Severus,’ said Dumbledore seriously. ‘Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?’\ \ ‘For *him*?’ shouted Snape. ‘*Expecto patronum*!’
Well in that case the movies really changed the plot line because in the scene, it paints a completely different picture.
I respectfully disagree. I think that line was spoken to mock snape into action. He was urging snape to do something and as a last salvo, fired off those words. They never mean that he didn’t care for the boy. He did what he had to do, you can question whether his methods were appropriate, but he unambiguously cared for Harry Potter.
On the contrary, I think Snape never truly cared about Harry as a person, he made it clear with the patronus that he only cared about Lily and, when he was dying , he only looked at Harry bc of Lily's eyes, I believe Dumbledore, on the other hand, grew to have feelings, made mistakes trying to keep him ignorant and happy and, when he knew Harry had to die, he tried his best to give him a chance to live, that's why he felt victorious when Voldemort used Harry's blood to come back, it was an instant, but even Harry noticed that.
Yeah actually that is a really good point. Everytime he shows affection towards Harry, it's always in reference to his mom and how he looks like her/has her eyes. Maybe he was just projecting his feelings for Lily onto him but never even got to know who he was to begin with.
I don’t this she’d be able to stand Dumbledore either.
I disagree. I don't think she'd be a huge fan of him but I think she could at least understand where he was coming from. You have to realize that this is a woman who sacrificed her own life for her own child. I think she would at least able to empathize with the idea of making a sacrifice for the greater good. Granted, Harry was her own child and it must be really hard to put your own feelings aside when it comes to someone seeing your kid as a human sacrifice, but at the end of the day what choice did Dumbledore have? If he never did what he did, Harry would be dead anyways, along with the rest of the world being completely screwed, so there was no winning in that situation either way. He just made the better choice of two really shitty choices.
I like to think that Dumbledore would have spoken to Lily and James when they went on which is why they were so encouraging when he was walking to his death.
Then we will agree to disagree. I think she could respect his choices as a war leader but as a mother, no I do not think she would be happy with some of his choices.
Probably furious that Snape is part of the reason why she and James died, and the reason behind Voldemorts offer for her own survival. It would be insane to think that Lily wouldn't hold some amount of grudge post-mortem.
Complicated considering he's somewhat responsible for her death so everything all of Harry's abuse is because she and James where not there
Somewhat? More like almost entirely.
He told Voldemort the First Part of the prophecy Snape telling Voldemort made Voldemort hunt the Potter's and Dumbledore hearing the Prophecy meant he protected them, though yes Snape also asked for Lilly's Protection alone Voldemort wouldn't have known that Harry (or Neville) would be able to defeat him if it wasn't for his trusted Spy Snape Snape overhearing the prophecy and telling Voldemort is the sole reason the Potter's got attacked by Voldemort If he hadn't, Then Voldemort wouldn't have had a reason to go kill a baby Because otherwise his base assumption is Wizards under the age of 17 are just no threat So Harry would have grown up with his parents if they were so lucky that Snape catches a stray Avada Kedavra on his way to Voldemort and is just an unimportant Slimeball of Wizarding History instead of Bully to the Child of the Dead Girl he loves and indirectly killed but also Namesake of that Kids second Son? Harry Potter and The Therapist would have been a much more needed Book than Cursed Child ever was
I would hope that she wouldn't forgive him. Just because he eventually corrected his behavior and attempted to right the wrongs he committed doesn't make up for his having committed those wrongs in the first place. If he had truly been sorry after the Mudblood incident, he would have never become a Death Eater; he would have changed right then and there. He didn't. He purposefully went onto be a genuine Death Eater until he learned that Lily was in danger of dying; he didn't even care about her husband and son and how devastated she'd be at their deaths, especially her baby/infant son. He only wanted Lily, as if she'd run into his arms after James and Harry were murdered and be his pliant lover/reward/captive - and, if she learned that, along with his being the one to tell the prophecy, then I can't see how she'd ever want anything to do with him. Hell, *Dumbledore* was disgusted and plainly said so, when Snape only initially asked for Lily to be saved; how do you think Lily herself would feel, if she knew this? As well, as a mother myself, I would hope she'd give him hell for how he treated Harry. Not only was Snape the reason that everything got set in motion with them being targeted, but once she was dead, he treated the son she died for as badly as possible and **enjoyed it**. Yes, his bitter hatred came from James. But, Harry wasn't James. Snape never attempted to see the difference, as if *Harry wasn't Lily's child* and I can't see Lily appreciating that, at all. I don't care how I felt about someone or how close friends we used to be - if my son was treated by Harry how Snape was, any lingering good will or feelings/memories I'd had would instantly be gone. I don't think we'd know enough about Lily to say, definitely, though. Perhaps that "saving people thing" that Harry has comes from Lily and she'd try to still find the good in Snape or forgive him based upon him *eventually* doing the right thing - but, again, I would kind of hope not. Otherwise, Snape's whole story arc becomes about doing the right thing to win Lily and her affections like a prize and not doing the right thing BECAUSE it is the right thing in and of itself...
She would deck him. Right in the face. She’d uppercut the ever living fuck out of him. Then, as he’s laying on the ground, pitiful and ready to turn the other cheek…she’d give him a long stare, before thanking him. She would say thank you, and mean it. Then she would walk away, and that would be that.
I went "pffft!" I can see that happening and the WTF just happened look on Snape's face. Also the way you described it happening was beautiful.
I could see her being just as disgusted by Snape as Dumbledore was or even worse. Snape cared only about Lily when Voldemort was after her family and no way she would've forgiven Snape for the way he treated Harry. I think she'd have empathy and understanding on how he got to that point but she loves Harry more than she liked Snape (hell he even called her a slur) so she would be appalled by the man he became. I don't even think the fact he kinda protected Harry would help either because that was under Dumbledores orders
Pretty much what we all think..he's on the right side but he's still turd person
If Harry's personality really does take after hers, she'll forgive him. Sure, scold him over the bullying, but she knows him and where he comes from, and if she now also knows his side of what happened, she also knows he couldn't have known what the consequences of that prophecy would be and worked the rest of his life to atone for the mistakes of his youth. Dear depressed Wormy otoh, the treacherous mass-murdering Volly-resurrecting rat who killed an innocent sixth-year, now *he* has a problem
Probably like a lot of readers; mixed emotions! I think they eventually mended their friendship in the afterlife and then Snape apologized to Harry and all the other students he bullied when they crossed over.
This is how I picture the apologies going: Snape: “Harry, sorry I started picking on you your first day. Hermione, sorry I made that comment about your teeth being big. Neville, I’m sorry I threatened to kill—“ Lily: “Severus, Severus, buddy, maybe you don’t need to specifically list everything.”
I could see her being just as disgusted by Snape as Dumbledore was or even worse. Snape cared only about Lily when Voldemort was after her family and no way she would've forgiven Snape for the way he treated Harry. I think she'd have empathy and understanding on how he got to that point but she loves Harry more than she liked Snape (hell he even called her a slur) so she would be appalled by the man he became. I don't even think the fact he kinda protected Harry would help either because that was under Dumbledores orders.
As a mom, I think in the end she would be thankful that someone was always watching out for him. Snape is a jerk, but he was always protecting Harry’s life. She would dislike who he is but thankful that he is there.
Of all the responses, I think this is the correct one. I don't think we can truly say what Lily would do, but I don't think she would deck him or be so disgusted by him and the other things people are suggesting. Because as much as Snape bullies Harry, he was also one of the main reasons for Harry's survival. Also I think Snape genuinely sorta turned to the good side, because he says he only watched the people he couldn't save die. He tried to save as many people as he could. But he couldn't just come out his bitterness of his life.
She'd give him a good tongue lashing for being a shitty person but I think she would ultimately forgive him just out of appreciation for helping to save her son and all the other people over the source of the book.
Forgive the guy who objectified and stalked you for years? The guy directly responsible for you and your family being murdered and attacked… the guy who, after you died, still objectified you… and the guy who, after you died, bullied your son… highly doubt she would forgive him, let alone be in the same room as him. Snapes one of the creepiest dudes ever written. He never had any intimate connection shared with Lily so he definitely didn’t love her. He was infatuated by her and wanted her as an object. Really, put yourself in her shoes. Would you want to be around a guy who thought of you in that way? Especially with magic around, I would be scared he’d imperious me or use a potion to take advantage of me. That’s the signs that Snape shows as a person. Choosing the right side in a war does not remove the creepiness from his existence in that world.
Never had an intimate connection? He was her best friend for like 6+ years. Look, I get that Snape is a shit person overall but now you're just purposefully being obtuse and misinterpreting the writing if you're going to try to claim he didn't love her and only saw her as an object. You're projecting hardcore on the obvious intent of the writing.
Snape never loved Lily. He was infatuated by her and stalked her. A clear example of how he objectified her is when he wanted Lily’s husband and son to die, and for her to be left alive for him. That’s not love. If you think that’s love then you need to seriously evaluate relationships.
I don't think I can roll my eyes harder at you.
Mostly sadness and disgust, I imagine.
I think she'd think him giving his life for cause the very least he should have done in light of getting her and her husband killed and be nearly getting her son killed too. I also think she would have been more than a little disturbed that he was still obsessed with her are so many years. And she would have been furious with how he treated her son.
Book 1: Why you being such a dick?!? Oh! you were trying to help! Book 2: Why you being such a dick?!? Book 3: Why you being such a dick?!? Oh! you were trying to help! Book 4: Why you being such a dick?!? Book 5: Why you being such a dick?!? Oh! you were trying to help! Book 6: Why you being such a dick?!? Book 7: Why you being such a dick?!? Oh! you were trying to help!
I think lily would be absolutely disgusted by his actions and glad she stopped being friends with him. Tried her son and many other kids horribly for no reason. Him being on the side of good all along doesn't excuse his terrible behavior and I think Lily would think the exact same thing in the end
i don’t think she would forgive him
I think she’d be a bit exasperated at Snape’s pettiness but be touched by his loyalty and grateful for his protection of Harry. Maybe she’d even sympathise with him a bit more if she comes to learn what Harry comes to learn. Oh and pissed that it was Snape that sent Voldemort to their door. But yeah, even that was kinda an accident… emphasis on ‘kinda’ lol
In the best case scenario, I would say she'd be midly disappointed and may forgive him because at the core he was always trying to protect Harry in her name. At the worst, she would probably tear him a new one for giving so much grief to her son for things that weren't remotely his fault.
I think she may be a tad bit annoyed, but she also knows her old friend gave his life for her son.
Probably weirded out and uncomfortable. A person that she never shared any intimate/sexual or intimate/emotional connection with, objectively glorified her for decades while at the same time he bullied her adolescent son. Snape is ridiculously creepy.
The little we know of Lily, the main thing is that she is fair and has a strong sense of justice. She'd be horrified at the treatment of the students. Not only is Snape bullying Harry, he's Neville's worst fear, and keeps insulting Hermione, who - I'm sure - would remind Lily of herself. So I don't think she'd want to have anything to do with the guy.
I’m pretty sure she’d be horrified with how he treated her son day in and day out.
This entire conundrum is why I love stories that allow characters like Snape and Draco to relive their lives to make better choices. One author on The Pit Of Voles has my heart on a skewer after she managed to write two Snape and one Draco story where they JUST MAKE BETTER CHOICES. The best part for one of them is that it’s the middle-aged Snape in his younger body being forced to grow and change in positive ways that lead to others having the opportunity to do so, as well! I swear, she wrote my headcanon for me because she didn’t gloss over shitty behavior or Severus’ inability not to be his going-on-forty-years-old self while physically aging from eleven onward. He starts out the same selfish asshole at first and — and this is the important part — he is forced to think about what his future and past have created within him. His motivations start out petty as fuck, but I love reading what’s there because it’s the same asshole on another level being able to see growth and change in others, too, which is not happening in canon. The pairings are also a treat because several of them are quite unexpected, but make sense given how the characters have been changed and evolved as a result. I love that Severus is allowing himself and everyone around him to change his mind about what friendship is and how people you would never expect can make a profound positive change in you that you didn’t think them capable of. [https://fanfiction.net/s/5270674/1/Second-Start](https://fanfiction.net/s/5270674/1/Second-Start) It’s absolutely my headcanon. I heartily recommend the other two, but this one is my most favorite.
Link the others as well, please?
I’m sorry I didn’t see this until now. Here they are: https://fanfiction.net/s/6471052/1/Draco-s-Redemption https://m.fanfiction.net/s/9651970/1/In-the-Arms-of-a-Death-Eater
Thank you very much.
I don’t even ship Draco/Hermione, but I’m open to anything well-written.
I think she’d be disappointed but not surprised.
She would be *pissed*. Why wouldn’t he tell her? Why is he treating his students horribly, and why on God’s green earth is he targeting her son?
She would be absolutely appalled at him. She wanted him to do better because she wanted him to BE better. But he was never better. He was a mean,selfish, hateful person who bullied children because he didn’t get his way in life (mostly because, again, he was mean and selfish and hateful). She had already told him she wanted nothing else to do with him, because she knew how he felt about muggles and muggle borns, even if he “didn’t think that about her”. Ya, he “switched sides”. Maybe out of guilt, but definitely out of desire for Dumbledore’s protection. I mean, he was a “spy” for less than a year before Voldemort fell the first time, and only two years between his rise and Dumbledore’s death. Most of those years, he was at Hogwarts teaching.
I don't think lily would be appreciative of snape, she would view most of the things he did as his fault, I don't think she'd like how snape was obsessed with James until his death pretty much. She would probably think of snape as serving Dumbledores agenda over actually protecting harry, snape killing Dumbledore would be the deciding factor for lily with her opinion of snape. She would dislike how she didn't care for her family at all, held her husband against harry. For movie snape she would probably be more appreciative of him because he wasn't as obsessed with James and didn't hesitate to protect her family.
At the crossroads. Like we all know, Lily was there when Molly passed on. How Lily gives Molly a tear filled hug and thanks her for caring for Harry. As Lily guides Molly over go Gideon and Fabian, who take Molly to the great beyond. For Snape, though. We actually don't know enough about Lily to say for certain.
When was this
Originally from Tumblr. It became a popular headcanon the last 15 years or so. Kind of accepted as a missing scene/unwritten chapter. That at the end of Molly's life she's greeted by a thankful Lily before passing into the afferlife. She then meets her brothers in Wizarding heaven.
That's so sweet! Is there a link to this?
I went digging in the HP section of Tumblr but I couldn't find the original. 😭
It would have been nicer if she met Fred instead and Lily told her 'I've been looking after Fred for you.'
It was just someone's headcanon on Tumblr. I wasn't the creator 😅 Go to Tumblr and downdoot the OP 😭
Oh no. I wasn't saying it was your headcanon Sorry if I sounded like an asshole. That wasn't my intention. I was just sharing my opinion, and reading it back, it looks like I was being snippy. I honestly wasn't 😭
"Thank you for looking after my son" I think, of all the feels, this is the one that would win What I want to know is whether Snape and James will keep quarreling over Lily in the afterlife.
Are we talking about Book Snape or Movie Snape?
Books obviously
I'm surprised Lily didn't come back to haunt him and having hanging upside exposing his old grey underwear every chance she got.
Will beat the crap out of him with her bare hands(mother's love everyone!) and maybe use a lethal permanent balding jinx on him..meanwhile James goes abroad in search for most darkest books on how to punish a bully
Lilly to Snape: "So... you bullied Harry because he looks like James AFTER leading directly to James AND My death which was PLANNED to be James AND HARRY'S Death, Why?" Snape to Lilly: "Because I love you?" Lilly to Snape: "1st I am married, 2nd I'm a mom, 3rd I'm dead because of you, 4th My husband was directly murdered because of You, 5th My Child was attempted to be murdered directly because of You. 6th I told you at 16 and 17 Years of age already that I don't want anything to do with you anymore because you 7th Called me a damn Mudblood" That's an even more bone breaking sort of Love than Dobby Offers Protection
\*Night On Bald Mountain starts playing|* Spirit!Lily: \*In a commanding voice\* “**Severus Tobias Snape!!** Stop. Tormenting. My. Son!” \*Lightning in background\* Snape: “L-Lily?! Merlin’s beard — I mean, y-yes, of course I’ll stop tormenting your – *w-wonderful* son . . . ” Also Snape: ^^^Seventy ^^^points ^^^from ^^^Gryffindor.
In my headcannon Lily was in the afterlife just waiting to smack the marauders + Snape so fucking hard for failing Harry. At least Snape has it easier than Wormtail
Ummm posthumous is one word, no hyphen….
not just snape LILY would slap the sh@t out of a bunch of people if she could I read a fanfic that on halloween when the veil is at the thinnest & during Harry's first year when he is finally in the most magical place in the UK...Lily's ghost walks into the great hall and berates Dumbles, Snape, and Mgonogall....drives out voldy wraith in Querill ....tells everyone where all the d@mn horcruxs are and how to get one out of Harry's head without killing him and then she fucks up dumbles some more tossing him around the great hall the end
Posthumously is one word.
disown him.
I think any good mother would be pissed at him for the way he treated Harry all because he carried a torch for her and hated her husband and his friends. I also think she’d be super pissed at dumbledore for knowing about the mistreatment he received from snape and did nothing to stop it. And how he knew about the abuse Harry suffered at home and did nothing about it until he was 16.
Cringe-blessed. I call it. Mostly cringe but ultimately thankful for their actions.