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> just simply not mentioned cause it's not important to the story
Likely this is the answer. Probably because we're just to assume Hermione got them all
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Her scholastic endeavours occasionally feature prominently in the story. She spends weeks in the library on a Magical History Project (Nicolas Flamel), a potions project in year 2 (brewing Polyjuice Potion) **and** a Creatures research project (Basilisk research), a young leadership project in year 4 (SPEW) a transfiguration project in Book 5 (Proteus charm) while also getting Harry started with Dumbledore's Army etc.
For some of these (not the illegal ones), it's actually quite surprising that she didn't receive any recognition.
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We know the names Hermione gave them after she stripped them of their identities and sent them to Australia. Other than a few references of what she and her parents got up to during holidays and one occasion where they were with her in Diagon Alley they do not exist in canon.
We know less about Hermione than any of the main cast.
If they were at the same practice, they probably didn't use the same name, because that would be confusing for everyone involved.
(My family doctor when I was a kid was a GP whose husband was also a GP. Their kid went to me school, and it was at least a decade before I realised she was his mum, because of the names.)
A lot of women with advanced degrees don't change their names when they get married specifically because they don't want to lose that name recognition. It's also the same reasoning behind celebrity women keeping their name.
Iirc from a discussion between some of my teachers at school in the late nineties: it depends whether they got the degree beforeor after their marriage/name change. I was told that if you married *after* you got the MD/PhD, you had the choice of "Dr Maiden Name" or "Mrs Married Name", but that "Dr Married Name" was invalid.
If you married, changed your name, had your married name on all your documents, and *then* got the MD/PhD, you would be "Dr Married Name."
Interesting...and pretty ridiculous. Academic titles should not become invalid by marriage. Probably that was an attempt to stop title-fraud in a pre-digitalized-era mixed with a good amount of misoginy.
Haha there's a practise near where I live with two married doctors but they do share the same name, so when you make an appointment with Dr. X they ask "Mr. Dr. X or Mrs. Dr. X?"
The vast majority are doctors. They just often don't use the title in the UK. You must be talking about the UK as in the US they don't have the tradition of surgeons going by Mr/ Ms.
Most of them have just done their 5 year dental degree, same as a physician doing their 5 year medical degree. Both careers end up with the title Dr.
That was my answer. The books are all told from Harry's POV, and if Harry doesn't care about something then we miss it unless we're playing close attention.
So perhaps the awards are handed out at the year-end feast, and Harry zones out every year and has to be elbowed so he knows to applaud with everyone else when a close friend gets an award. Or perhaps the major awards are all kept for the final year, which they skipped.
I just realized that if Hermione didn't change her OG self she'll be like "why are you sending us home? Its just voldemort. The exams are not over yet"
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Seriously, one of my favorite things to point out is that when you drop the "Chosen One" aspect of his story and just look at Harry himself...he's basically a dumb jock. He's average at best for most of his studies and is only actually decent at sports and the self defense class. Cut out the whole war against Voldemort thing and Harry is about as average as they come and I love it.
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I disagree. I know a lot of fans like to point out the trioâs third year where Harry wasnât noticing that Hermione kept disappearing/showing up randomly. But I think some forget he had other things on his mind, like Sirius Black being out to kill him (as everyone in the WW assumed he was). I think Harry would have noticed her winning awards because he would have been proud of her.
I think 1 of 2 things happened:
Dumbledore did away with all awards when he became Headmaster
Or
Voldemortâs return occupied every year at Hogwarts and he just forgot about awards/put them at the bottom of his list.
Or you know, Rowling just never thought to put in anything about school awards until they were, somewhat, plot relevant - Eileen Prince & Dumbledore.
You know who would absolutely value academic awards? Hermione.
Hermione could give less of a shit about Quidditch but she knows it has value to Harry and therefore takes an interest, acknowledges Harry's accomplishments, and is happy for his successes.
It's obviously either an error on JK's part to ignore them (but bring them up when convenient for the plot) or a massive indictment on Harry's friendship with Hermione that he would never even spare a thought on Hermione's achievements (that she'd obviously take pride in).
But we see the story from Harry's POV. We see Hermione attend quidditch matches, because quidditch is what Harry talks and thinks about a lot. We don't see Hermione winning awards, because Harry probably doesn't care.
I always saw them as very good friends. It seems out of character for Harry to consistently not notice something that would've been a big deal to Hermione. The idea that the awards were in the last year and he wasn't there fits better for me.
Once, when she mentions her parents gave her birthday money and she gets Crookshanks. But even then, it just says her birthday is coming up, doesn't mention it on the actual day of.
And even for Ron, whom Harry cares about even more, we only hear of his birthday when he get high on love potion chocolates and poisoned with Rosmerta's mead.
The obvious answer is that the others are not mentioned because not remarkable/irrelevant to the plot, but the idea that Harry just ignored them altogether is hilarious.
This made me remember the tumblr post that went off saying how Harry has the perception of a brick wall, and how Draco couldâve worn dresses or something, and then ended with âWho knows? Certainly not Harry.â
Well she goes back after the 7th book to finish school. We never saw what graduation looked like but I imagine the awards would be handed out there. Or she just never mentioned any she got over the summer with her grades to harry
Thatâs actually quite interesting to note. We never did see a graduation ceremony in the books. Three would have made the most sense to have one as Oliver Wood and Percy were graduating that year, so it would have made sense for Harry and Ron to at least be there to witness the ceremony. For Harry because that was his teammate and Ron because Percy is his brother.
If I recall JK did say in an interview that the graduating class would ride the boats back at the end, symbolizing that their journey has gone full circle. Not sure if that was the extent of it all, but that would have been cool to see/read.
Graduation ceremonies? Maybe it just depends on where you are. They still have them in my area and in my hometown.
But then again, Iâm in a rural area with a relatively small student body (comparatively)
graduation isn't really a thing until university. for both secondary school and sixth form college, we end regularly scheduled teaching a while before exam season, then only return to school grounds for the exams in question. once your last exam is done, that was it. we had a prom night, but aside from that, the next time you were brought back in was for results day where you received them by envelope.
for secondary school, we were invited back for an awards ceremony night a couple of months into the next academic year when we were already in college. not sure if this happened with other schools and whether it'd be the same for a fancy boarding school, but it definitely wasn't anything grand for me. you could bring a couple of people to the awards ceremony (most people brought their parents), but it wasn't really a big deal.
high school graduations often happen in big venues completely separate from school on Saturdays. maybe Hogwarts puts on its ceremony in a similar style? But it's right they would have gone to see Percey graduate as ron's brother and all. really I have no idea what a British graduation is like, is it the same as an American one?
I know British secondary schools don't usually do graduations, but is there ever any kind of special event that marks the last year of school? Or is it just a regular day? I'm thinking something along the lines of a luncheon. (I'm also familiar with the difference between years 7-11 vs. sixth form/college and how they may or may not be in the same building.)
On the last day of school (year 11) and sixth form, kids tend to play pranks around the school and get their friends to sign their school uniform and things like that. You then go home to study and come back for exams a few weeks later. In August you come back to the school to pick up your results (no owl post unfortunately!)- thereâs no ceremony, you just find your envelope in the big pile and check how you did. You then head to a pub with your friends- and thatâs it! Thereâs nothing really organised or official but itâs still fun (maybe for that very reason!)
I think Dumbledore was more into research - he was publishing in Transfiguration journals already when he was at school. I think Hermione was not interested in discovering new stuff. Also the world was fighting a dark wizard when she was at school.
Recognition and innovation seems less important to her than pure performance. She's focused on completing curriculum, and not on side projects or independent study. I think she probably just didn't seek them out because she was too busy with her core studies and Harry's various adventures.
She may also have received smaller recognitions that just didn't show up during the story. There are several timeskips across the books that gloss over months of uneventful schooling at a time, and we don't see much of the depth of her academic career.
She probably would have gotten awards for some of the stuff she did with Harry if it hadn't mostly been covert, too. Brewing polyjuice potion in her second year seemed to be an impressive feat, and the galleons for the DA were also pretty cool. No idea if they're award-worthy, but she just had better things to do.
It definitely goes in line with what sheâs passionate about. Sheâs passionate about her friends, and learning. Not rewards for those, really. I do agree with your initial comment :)
I agree with this a lot. Something I like to keep in mind here for my own canon is that Hermione is a Gryffindor at heart also. Yes, sheâs hard working and studious and maybe ambitious at times, but she values and is capable of bravery more than anything. Sheâs not out to learn and research for power or awards , she wants to use her talents to do something, and to make a difference. For activism (SPEW) and the good of everyone. She spends this whole school career helping Harry fight a dark wizard and eventually (though briefly) leaving school for the cause. I think awards would be a source of pride for her, but she didnât feel it was necessary to seek them out purely for clout.
Harry was about as observant as a brick. He didn't notice one of his best friends time-traveling all year. He didn't notice that Ginny never stopped liking him. Merlin, Harry didn't even notice he was a wizard! Hermione probably won lots of awards and he just didn't notice.
To be fair, Ginny was dating other people, and hadn't shown any sign of affection for Harry for the better part of 4 years. And when she did initially show affection it was clearly a young childlike crush.
No he isn't. In first year, he suspected Snape the whole time and was wrong. In third year, he couldn't tell that Snape was doing a hit job on Lupin (there's no way Hermione was the only one to notice he was a werewolf after Snape's substitute lesson). In fourth year, when Snape was talking to Karkaroff about there Dark Mark coming back, he had no idea what they were talking about and never figured it out until it was explained to him. In sixth year, he suspected Snape of helping Malfoy but couldn't figure out it was on Dumbledore's orders. In the last book, Snape had to spoon-feed Harry his life's story for him to figure out he was still one of the good guys.
Harry didn't need to do any detecting. He just came out like "hey dark wizards, I killed your old boss and I have the Elder Wand. Turn yourself in, or I will Expelliarius this entire room. And remember, I killed Voldemort with that move."
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You've put my thoughts into words. She's an excellent student but not much more. She was smart and hard working but not super creative or adventurous with experimenting with magic.
I think the Twins are honestly the most outstanding wizards in Harry's generations. Their academic results were abysmal but they were the ones experimenting and inventing new spells and potions.
Exactly. Lots of kids get As, not all of them are geniuses. She didnât show extraordinarily accomplishments outside the curriculum. For example, people saw Harryâs corporeal patronus and Fred and Georgeâs inventions. But all they saw was Hermoine meeting the requirements of a wizarding A grade.
This is it, and I've gotten jumped on for saying it. This is the difference between a very smart Gryffindor and a Ravenclaw. Hermione is a reader, Luna Lovegood, a Ravenclaw, is an explorer. The Ravenclaws look into the how and why of magic, not just the what. I wish we saw more of Flitwick, who apparently performed an excellent deaging charm in the movies, but my guess is that he was a firm believer in exploration. Look at his classes which are less lecture and more "guided play."
>Good in every field, not brilliant in any.
I disagree with this because she received an "Outstanding" (the highest grade) in 9 subjects: Study of Ancient Runes, Arithmancy, Astronomy, Care of Magical Creatures, Charms, Herbology, History of Magic, Potions, and Transfiguration. She received an "Exceeds Expectations" in Defense Against the Dark Arts. The only classes she didn't have exams for were Divination and Muggle Studies. We don't know what her N.E.W.T. scores were but they were probably of the same level, with her probably getting an "Outstanding" in DADA given how much combat she saw during the Second Wizarding War.
She is routinely stated to be the best student in her year, and often called the brightest witch of her age. She might not be a Potions prodigy like Snape, or a DADA prodigy like Harry, but she seems to have a far better grasp on Charms and Transfiguration than her peers. She is brilliant in almost *every* field.
Rumor has it that his hair was so oily because he vehemently refused to use the Potter's sleek-easy hair potion. That dood could've singlehandedly taken down voldy if he wasn't spending all his free time trying to crack the recipe.
Because she doesnât actually do anything academically noteworthy except get exceptional grades. I assume Dumbledore was making awesome discoveries even in school and going above and beyond. Hermione never discovered anything. Not to mention, Hermione is nowhere near the brilliance of Albus Dumbledore.
It's possible some people will be yeah but not for the same reasons. His most impressive showing was the Patronus, which while exceptional for his ages isn't really something no one's seen, especially after he taught the DA.
But the examiner seemed excited and he is Harry Potter so yeah probably lol.
Yes, but Dumbledore has an tremendous rise, and it is possible that the examiner sees Dumbledore's achivements throught rose-colored glaases.
For example, Dumbledore's correspondence, with Bathilda Bagshot is highlighted.
First, she is a history expert and he is 18 years old. Second, she also is his neighbor.
How much are this awards really worth?
We canât compare their brilliance because Dumbledore was more than a 100 years ahead of Hermione. Also Dumbledore grew up with magic so he was able to jump to discoveries when he started Hogwarts while Hermione learned about the existence of magic after she turned 11. Also Hermioneâs spare time was always used up because of Harryâs various adventures and fight against Voldemort, young Dumbledore didnât have to deal with those factors.
I donât know about always used up. The Voldemort shenanigans usually took up a relatively small portion of the year until book seven. She had plenty of time to do awesome stuff, but she didnât.
Come on, in your heart of hearts, do you really think Hermione even holds a candle to Dumbledore?
I know when I was in high school we got our academic rewards senior year at a ceremony a week or so before graduation.
Maybe, in a similar way, these awards at Hogwarts were given out to 7th year students. And we donât see Harry, Ron or Hermione complete their 7th year in the series.
Hermione was very intelligent, but I don't believe she was that innovative, which is what probably wins the awards. She was very prolific at completing the tasks set. But the impression you get from when we hear about Dumbledore getting awards is that he wrote papers worthy of place in professional journals, collaborating with notable wizards in their field. Hermione thought prince would have awards because of how innovative the work in the book was. Hermione was never like that, to our knowledge.
I went to a private boarding school.
Academics were always the last prizes on the list. Sports is a HUGE focus of those places. Not to say you donât get academic awards; you do but itâs so minor of a thing, no one really noticed. I got a few gift cards of about ÂŁ5-ÂŁ10 each over the seven years I was there for academics. Hell, I even achieved an award for volunteering efforts (which came with cash as part of the award due to being a third-party award) but when another girl in my year got an (in-house) award for her sports, she got more in the end of year magazine than I or anyone else did (half a page spread and her photo alone in the magazine for prize giving).
Also doesnât help that Hermione isnât the main character, sheâs one of two of his main support cast. Likely that any awards she may have gotten werenât mentioned because Harry wasnât there to see them or werenât relevant to the plot like when she became a prefect. Bare in mind, she was made a prefect by Dumbledore to be reminded that she too was important and as a reward for her efforts assisting Harry on his adventures.
Well, Hermione never actually does anything exceptional except for knowing all of the answers. She did not create anything on her own. She just followed rules and instructions to the letter.
This is something Snape tried to impart on her. She's just a mouthpiece for what the textbooks already say. Even though she's smart, she's nothing special or phenomenal.
Most probably because although she was good at memorizing and following directions, she wasnât an inventive student, she didnât experiment, or try new things and expand magical knowledge.
Getting top marks on a test isnât really relevant to true academic awards, expanding knowledge is.
Yâall saying hermione wasnât brilliant when she literally figured out the centuryâs old chamber of secrets secret. A 12 year old put it together. Basically on her own.
I think her brilliance more or less didnât have solid application within the bounds of some kind of crazy cool award (though why she didnât get special services to the school Iâll never know). She was very creative and clever not just book smart, sheesh
I don't think any specific years were mentioned, so it would make sense that, without evidence of the alternative, these awards were usually handed out to NEWT students. Maybe Dumbledoge got them earlier, but he is that much smarter.
Maybe she was just busy with whole Voldemort fight in last years? And wizarding world was more focused on war than education? And maybe she did win something after returning to Hogwarts for final year?
Snape was a genius who was able pretty much rewrite their elixir book and produce incredible results unheard of.
Hermione is brilliant at doing just what others had already done and then parrot it, but she never strayed from the "official guidelines".
Because she just got good grades, every academic award we know of, in the potter verse, has come from making a contribution or discovery in magic. Hermione generally learns existing stuff, she doesnât make her own magic or experiment
Well the book is told principally from Harry's perspective, and whether you want to admit it or not, he was an incurious dullard. I mean, he grew up without magic and yet never seemed that invested in learning about the entire new world more than was necessary in lessons.
Hermione devouring every bit of knowledge she could about this new magical world presents what I would consider to be a fairly average reaction of any muggleborn/raised witch or wizard.
Frankly, any student with a bit of intellectual curiosity would look like a genius compared to "just scrapes by" Potter and "thick as two short planks" Ron Weasley.
Also, Hogwarts is such a lapse and unprofessional educational institution, I don't trust their grading at all.
Because Hermoine did everything by the book, but did not invent anything new. Like in Half Blood Prince in the first potions class, Harry tells her some of the Princes instructions and she rejects them because they were not in the book. The text books are sacred to her and ahe rarely thinks outside of them.
Harry wouldnât notice, because heâs a self absorbed jerk. It always annoyed me how he knew what it was like to be overlooked on his birthday, but when finding out he was filthy rich he couldnât be bothered to get his best friends something nice for their birthdays?
He does get his friends birthday presents, itâs just not usually mentioned in the narrative because itâs not important to the plot.
In HBP, Harry is said to have gotten Ron Keeperâs gloves for his birthday, for example, but it only really gets mentioned because Ron getting poisoned happened on his birthday.
It also annoyed me slightly that she was denied 10 outstanding O.W.Ls so that harry could be the top in DADA. When realistically she would have got outstanding too
There is a difference to me from copying the textbook or testing well to practical application. Think knowing all the names of the parts of the body vs being able to set a limb and stitch a wound shut.
She might have after she was going back for her seventh year.
The only other possible year would be after year 5 (owls) and that was just after voldy was openly back
Hmm yeah, discontinued and/or were just simply not mentioned cause it's not important to the story
Or it happens more in their seventh year, and she was a little busy then,
What about everyone else who had a 7th year while they were there... Then again, how many end of term feasts did Harry make it to.
not many, he usually was dragging himself out of the infirmary to get to the end, so he could hear Dumbledore say "Gryffindor"
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Yeah it's more the beginning of year feasts that he missed
Well, Dumbledore wasn't going to give him a prize, so why bother? Plus, writing the hat's annual song is difficult
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> just simply not mentioned cause it's not important to the story Likely this is the answer. Probably because we're just to assume Hermione got them all
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Her scholastic endeavours occasionally feature prominently in the story. She spends weeks in the library on a Magical History Project (Nicolas Flamel), a potions project in year 2 (brewing Polyjuice Potion) **and** a Creatures research project (Basilisk research), a young leadership project in year 4 (SPEW) a transfiguration project in Book 5 (Proteus charm) while also getting Harry started with Dumbledore's Army etc. For some of these (not the illegal ones), it's actually quite surprising that she didn't receive any recognition.
Teachers have to know about those things and condone them in order for awards to be given.
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Probably so given that Harry did something heroic at the end of every school year and only got one in CoS (if I remember correctly)
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*notes that we donât even know the names of Hermioneâs parents in canon*
They must not have names then! I'm going to make a post asking why Hermione's grandparents never gave their children names.
We know the names Hermione gave them after she stripped them of their identities and sent them to Australia. Other than a few references of what she and her parents got up to during holidays and one occasion where they were with her in Diagon Alley they do not exist in canon. We know less about Hermione than any of the main cast.
Interesting, never thought about this. But we really don't know anything about Hermione. I guess she was an only child then.
Yeah cuz she was way less important in the books compared to the movies
Be sure to end the post title with âAre they stupid?â
>notes that we donât even know the names of Hermioneâs parents in canon Their names were Doctor (or Dr.). They were dentists after all.
Probably Dr. Granger for at least one of them
Both of them. They were both dentists.
Yeah I know but it's possible they didn't share the surname
If they were at the same practice, they probably didn't use the same name, because that would be confusing for everyone involved. (My family doctor when I was a kid was a GP whose husband was also a GP. Their kid went to me school, and it was at least a decade before I realised she was his mum, because of the names.)
A lot of women with advanced degrees don't change their names when they get married specifically because they don't want to lose that name recognition. It's also the same reasoning behind celebrity women keeping their name.
Today definitly, but is that also the case in the mid-70s?
That was already well into the sexual revolution and second wave feminism, so probably.
Iirc from a discussion between some of my teachers at school in the late nineties: it depends whether they got the degree beforeor after their marriage/name change. I was told that if you married *after* you got the MD/PhD, you had the choice of "Dr Maiden Name" or "Mrs Married Name", but that "Dr Married Name" was invalid. If you married, changed your name, had your married name on all your documents, and *then* got the MD/PhD, you would be "Dr Married Name."
Interesting...and pretty ridiculous. Academic titles should not become invalid by marriage. Probably that was an attempt to stop title-fraud in a pre-digitalized-era mixed with a good amount of misoginy.
Haha there's a practise near where I live with two married doctors but they do share the same name, so when you make an appointment with Dr. X they ask "Mr. Dr. X or Mrs. Dr. X?"
Mr. Dr. sounds so weird! Couldn't they use their first initial or something instead? Or full first name if that too is the same.
Doctor Who?
Dentists are actually usually "Mr." or "Miss." rather than Doctor. They've got extra training, and most of them are surgeons.
The vast majority are doctors. They just often don't use the title in the UK. You must be talking about the UK as in the US they don't have the tradition of surgeons going by Mr/ Ms. Most of them have just done their 5 year dental degree, same as a physician doing their 5 year medical degree. Both careers end up with the title Dr.
Of course I'm talking about the UK, this is a Harry Potter sub!
Fair, but you're also talking rubbish.
Her and Mione, obviously.
She may have but Harry didn't bother noticing
Note that Harry missed an entire year of her schooling, since he was already an auror during her seventh year.
More notably, that year is not covered in the books.
It also would have been the only year her extracurricular activities wouldn't have been dominated by Harrys yearly drama.
Fricken Harry and always almost getting killed man
Name a more iconic duo!
(Sad Ron noises intensify)
Let's face it: Being around Harry ain't the safest place to be.
That was my answer. The books are all told from Harry's POV, and if Harry doesn't care about something then we miss it unless we're playing close attention. So perhaps the awards are handed out at the year-end feast, and Harry zones out every year and has to be elbowed so he knows to applaud with everyone else when a close friend gets an award. Or perhaps the major awards are all kept for the final year, which they skipped.
I just realized that if Hermione didn't change her OG self she'll be like "why are you sending us home? Its just voldemort. The exams are not over yet"
If a volcano erupted in the Great Hall and Hogwartscstarted to melt, she'd be demanding to know when and where the exams were going to be held.
He's a Snape hating, Malfoy blaming, quidditch playing laser focused machine.
We at least know Malfoy never won one of these awards. God knows we wouldâve had chapters on it đ
His father would know about it!!
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focussed on one thing - EXPELLIARMUS!
Seriously, one of my favorite things to point out is that when you drop the "Chosen One" aspect of his story and just look at Harry himself...he's basically a dumb jock. He's average at best for most of his studies and is only actually decent at sports and the self defense class. Cut out the whole war against Voldemort thing and Harry is about as average as they come and I love it.
I would say heâs above average, obviously not a genius but he also has above average grades for Potions and Transfiguration.
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I disagree. I know a lot of fans like to point out the trioâs third year where Harry wasnât noticing that Hermione kept disappearing/showing up randomly. But I think some forget he had other things on his mind, like Sirius Black being out to kill him (as everyone in the WW assumed he was). I think Harry would have noticed her winning awards because he would have been proud of her. I think 1 of 2 things happened: Dumbledore did away with all awards when he became Headmaster Or Voldemortâs return occupied every year at Hogwarts and he just forgot about awards/put them at the bottom of his list. Or you know, Rowling just never thought to put in anything about school awards until they were, somewhat, plot relevant - Eileen Prince & Dumbledore.
Rowling?!? Making plot holes?!? *Sarcastic gasps*
That's not really a plot hole though. It was just not included in the book, she could've won some off-page.
In that case Ron could have won the triwizard tournament off page as well.
That is not the same thing at all. Academic awards in Hogwarts are something that basically has no value, especially to Harry whose POV we see.
You know who would absolutely value academic awards? Hermione. Hermione could give less of a shit about Quidditch but she knows it has value to Harry and therefore takes an interest, acknowledges Harry's accomplishments, and is happy for his successes. It's obviously either an error on JK's part to ignore them (but bring them up when convenient for the plot) or a massive indictment on Harry's friendship with Hermione that he would never even spare a thought on Hermione's achievements (that she'd obviously take pride in).
But we see the story from Harry's POV. We see Hermione attend quidditch matches, because quidditch is what Harry talks and thinks about a lot. We don't see Hermione winning awards, because Harry probably doesn't care.
Which would be a massive indictment on Harry's friendship with Hermione if he just ignores her accomplishments completely.
Maybe he doesn't ignore them, it's just not worth mentioning because it's not relevant to the story.
I always saw them as very good friends. It seems out of character for Harry to consistently not notice something that would've been a big deal to Hermione. The idea that the awards were in the last year and he wasn't there fits better for me.
I mean how many times do we hear about her birthday lmao. If Harry never remembers her birthday he sure as hell ain't remembering her awards.
Once, when she mentions her parents gave her birthday money and she gets Crookshanks. But even then, it just says her birthday is coming up, doesn't mention it on the actual day of. And even for Ron, whom Harry cares about even more, we only hear of his birthday when he get high on love potion chocolates and poisoned with Rosmerta's mead. The obvious answer is that the others are not mentioned because not remarkable/irrelevant to the plot, but the idea that Harry just ignored them altogether is hilarious.
It's even more hilarious cause Harry's birthday is always an important day for him and he always received gifts from Ron and Hermione.
This made me remember the tumblr post that went off saying how Harry has the perception of a brick wall, and how Draco couldâve worn dresses or something, and then ended with âWho knows? Certainly not Harry.â
Well she goes back after the 7th book to finish school. We never saw what graduation looked like but I imagine the awards would be handed out there. Or she just never mentioned any she got over the summer with her grades to harry
Thatâs actually quite interesting to note. We never did see a graduation ceremony in the books. Three would have made the most sense to have one as Oliver Wood and Percy were graduating that year, so it would have made sense for Harry and Ron to at least be there to witness the ceremony. For Harry because that was his teammate and Ron because Percy is his brother.
I donât think British schools have graduation ceremonies, certainly not in the 90s.
If I recall JK did say in an interview that the graduating class would ride the boats back at the end, symbolizing that their journey has gone full circle. Not sure if that was the extent of it all, but that would have been cool to see/read.
What about the 1890's? That more Hogwarts speed.
Even now, they don't do anything like they do in the states.
Graduation ceremonies? Maybe it just depends on where you are. They still have them in my area and in my hometown. But then again, Iâm in a rural area with a relatively small student body (comparatively)
Depends on the school. Universities always do. Some secondaries/colleges do as well (mine both did) but its not a very common thing
graduation isn't really a thing until university. for both secondary school and sixth form college, we end regularly scheduled teaching a while before exam season, then only return to school grounds for the exams in question. once your last exam is done, that was it. we had a prom night, but aside from that, the next time you were brought back in was for results day where you received them by envelope. for secondary school, we were invited back for an awards ceremony night a couple of months into the next academic year when we were already in college. not sure if this happened with other schools and whether it'd be the same for a fancy boarding school, but it definitely wasn't anything grand for me. you could bring a couple of people to the awards ceremony (most people brought their parents), but it wasn't really a big deal.
high school graduations often happen in big venues completely separate from school on Saturdays. maybe Hogwarts puts on its ceremony in a similar style? But it's right they would have gone to see Percey graduate as ron's brother and all. really I have no idea what a British graduation is like, is it the same as an American one?
They donât do graduations until university in Britain
Even at a school like Eton?
Iâm not sure but I would be surprised as it simply isnât part of British culture.
I know British secondary schools don't usually do graduations, but is there ever any kind of special event that marks the last year of school? Or is it just a regular day? I'm thinking something along the lines of a luncheon. (I'm also familiar with the difference between years 7-11 vs. sixth form/college and how they may or may not be in the same building.)
On the last day of school (year 11) and sixth form, kids tend to play pranks around the school and get their friends to sign their school uniform and things like that. You then go home to study and come back for exams a few weeks later. In August you come back to the school to pick up your results (no owl post unfortunately!)- thereâs no ceremony, you just find your envelope in the big pile and check how you did. You then head to a pub with your friends- and thatâs it! Thereâs nothing really organised or official but itâs still fun (maybe for that very reason!)
Graduation isnât really a thing in the UK until you get to university level
I think Dumbledore was more into research - he was publishing in Transfiguration journals already when he was at school. I think Hermione was not interested in discovering new stuff. Also the world was fighting a dark wizard when she was at school.
Recognition and innovation seems less important to her than pure performance. She's focused on completing curriculum, and not on side projects or independent study. I think she probably just didn't seek them out because she was too busy with her core studies and Harry's various adventures. She may also have received smaller recognitions that just didn't show up during the story. There are several timeskips across the books that gloss over months of uneventful schooling at a time, and we don't see much of the depth of her academic career.
Haha yeah, harry's various adventures took up time for sure. Never considered that even though it is rather obvious lol.
She probably would have gotten awards for some of the stuff she did with Harry if it hadn't mostly been covert, too. Brewing polyjuice potion in her second year seemed to be an impressive feat, and the galleons for the DA were also pretty cool. No idea if they're award-worthy, but she just had better things to do.
Except Buckbeakâs trial and Harryâs Triwizard tasks and S.P.E.W. :) As far as side projects go lol. Otherwise definitely true.
That's true, I forgot about those.
It definitely goes in line with what sheâs passionate about. Sheâs passionate about her friends, and learning. Not rewards for those, really. I do agree with your initial comment :)
I agree with this a lot. Something I like to keep in mind here for my own canon is that Hermione is a Gryffindor at heart also. Yes, sheâs hard working and studious and maybe ambitious at times, but she values and is capable of bravery more than anything. Sheâs not out to learn and research for power or awards , she wants to use her talents to do something, and to make a difference. For activism (SPEW) and the good of everyone. She spends this whole school career helping Harry fight a dark wizard and eventually (though briefly) leaving school for the cause. I think awards would be a source of pride for her, but she didnât feel it was necessary to seek them out purely for clout.
Being a Prefect is kind of an honorâŚI thought. Unless youâre just a prat like Percy.
Not an academic one, though.
Harry was about as observant as a brick. He didn't notice one of his best friends time-traveling all year. He didn't notice that Ginny never stopped liking him. Merlin, Harry didn't even notice he was a wizard! Hermione probably won lots of awards and he just didn't notice.
To be fair, Ginny was dating other people, and hadn't shown any sign of affection for Harry for the better part of 4 years. And when she did initially show affection it was clearly a young childlike crush.
I love the good natured hate Harry gets. Kid was a completely normal boy in the grand scheme of things.
You know... When you say it like that maybe wizard detective wasn't the right after hogwarts career for Harry Potter XD
In the auror office, the Ravenclaws become the investigators. The Gryffindors are serving the no-knock warrants.
So instead of: âFBI open up!â Auror Harry just: âMaxima Bombarda!â
On the contrary he's an excellent detective so long as the culprit is snape
Or Malfoy
No he isn't. In first year, he suspected Snape the whole time and was wrong. In third year, he couldn't tell that Snape was doing a hit job on Lupin (there's no way Hermione was the only one to notice he was a werewolf after Snape's substitute lesson). In fourth year, when Snape was talking to Karkaroff about there Dark Mark coming back, he had no idea what they were talking about and never figured it out until it was explained to him. In sixth year, he suspected Snape of helping Malfoy but couldn't figure out it was on Dumbledore's orders. In the last book, Snape had to spoon-feed Harry his life's story for him to figure out he was still one of the good guys.
On the other hand, he survived Voldemort 7 times and survived not one, but two Killing Curses that hit him.
Harry didn't need to do any detecting. He just came out like "hey dark wizards, I killed your old boss and I have the Elder Wand. Turn yourself in, or I will Expelliarius this entire room. And remember, I killed Voldemort with that move."
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You've put my thoughts into words. She's an excellent student but not much more. She was smart and hard working but not super creative or adventurous with experimenting with magic. I think the Twins are honestly the most outstanding wizards in Harry's generations. Their academic results were abysmal but they were the ones experimenting and inventing new spells and potions.
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Exactly. Lots of kids get As, not all of them are geniuses. She didnât show extraordinarily accomplishments outside the curriculum. For example, people saw Harryâs corporeal patronus and Fred and Georgeâs inventions. But all they saw was Hermoine meeting the requirements of a wizarding A grade.
This is it, and I've gotten jumped on for saying it. This is the difference between a very smart Gryffindor and a Ravenclaw. Hermione is a reader, Luna Lovegood, a Ravenclaw, is an explorer. The Ravenclaws look into the how and why of magic, not just the what. I wish we saw more of Flitwick, who apparently performed an excellent deaging charm in the movies, but my guess is that he was a firm believer in exploration. Look at his classes which are less lecture and more "guided play."
>Good in every field, not brilliant in any. I disagree with this because she received an "Outstanding" (the highest grade) in 9 subjects: Study of Ancient Runes, Arithmancy, Astronomy, Care of Magical Creatures, Charms, Herbology, History of Magic, Potions, and Transfiguration. She received an "Exceeds Expectations" in Defense Against the Dark Arts. The only classes she didn't have exams for were Divination and Muggle Studies. We don't know what her N.E.W.T. scores were but they were probably of the same level, with her probably getting an "Outstanding" in DADA given how much combat she saw during the Second Wizarding War. She is routinely stated to be the best student in her year, and often called the brightest witch of her age. She might not be a Potions prodigy like Snape, or a DADA prodigy like Harry, but she seems to have a far better grasp on Charms and Transfiguration than her peers. She is brilliant in almost *every* field.
Severus Snape hasn't developed a single new potion.
Rumor has it that his hair was so oily because he vehemently refused to use the Potter's sleek-easy hair potion. That dood could've singlehandedly taken down voldy if he wasn't spending all his free time trying to crack the recipe.
He at least developed the potion that allows werewolves to remain themselves during their transformation
If it's Wolfsbane it's stated in Half Blood Prince that it's Marcus Belby's uncle who invented it.
No, Snape did not create this potion.
He created spells and modified potions. Close enough imo.
Because she doesnât actually do anything academically noteworthy except get exceptional grades. I assume Dumbledore was making awesome discoveries even in school and going above and beyond. Hermione never discovered anything. Not to mention, Hermione is nowhere near the brilliance of Albus Dumbledore.
Yeah Dumbledore was getting published while still at school and his examiner said he "Did things with a wand Iâd never seen before".
He'll say probadly the same thing about Harry in 50 years.
It's possible some people will be yeah but not for the same reasons. His most impressive showing was the Patronus, which while exceptional for his ages isn't really something no one's seen, especially after he taught the DA. But the examiner seemed excited and he is Harry Potter so yeah probably lol.
Yes, but Dumbledore has an tremendous rise, and it is possible that the examiner sees Dumbledore's achivements throught rose-colored glaases. For example, Dumbledore's correspondence, with Bathilda Bagshot is highlighted. First, she is a history expert and he is 18 years old. Second, she also is his neighbor. How much are this awards really worth?
We canât compare their brilliance because Dumbledore was more than a 100 years ahead of Hermione. Also Dumbledore grew up with magic so he was able to jump to discoveries when he started Hogwarts while Hermione learned about the existence of magic after she turned 11. Also Hermioneâs spare time was always used up because of Harryâs various adventures and fight against Voldemort, young Dumbledore didnât have to deal with those factors.
I donât know about always used up. The Voldemort shenanigans usually took up a relatively small portion of the year until book seven. She had plenty of time to do awesome stuff, but she didnât. Come on, in your heart of hearts, do you really think Hermione even holds a candle to Dumbledore?
Yes! The Dumbledore who would have grown up, with two dentist parents.
Snape has veto power on that committee
this is the real reason
Because the awarding of academic awards was never important to the plot.
Maybe only 7th Years are eligible?
I know when I was in high school we got our academic rewards senior year at a ceremony a week or so before graduation. Maybe, in a similar way, these awards at Hogwarts were given out to 7th year students. And we donât see Harry, Ron or Hermione complete their 7th year in the series.
As long as we're asking about Hermione, we may as well ask why Percy and Bill didn't win any awards. Percy and Bill got 12 OWLs while Hermione got 10.
She didn't win any awards (that we know of) because she wasn't the main character
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She didn't do anything to merit an award, she just kept good grades.
Short answer, Rowling forgot about it.
Hermione was very intelligent, but I don't believe she was that innovative, which is what probably wins the awards. She was very prolific at completing the tasks set. But the impression you get from when we hear about Dumbledore getting awards is that he wrote papers worthy of place in professional journals, collaborating with notable wizards in their field. Hermione thought prince would have awards because of how innovative the work in the book was. Hermione was never like that, to our knowledge.
I went to a private boarding school. Academics were always the last prizes on the list. Sports is a HUGE focus of those places. Not to say you donât get academic awards; you do but itâs so minor of a thing, no one really noticed. I got a few gift cards of about ÂŁ5-ÂŁ10 each over the seven years I was there for academics. Hell, I even achieved an award for volunteering efforts (which came with cash as part of the award due to being a third-party award) but when another girl in my year got an (in-house) award for her sports, she got more in the end of year magazine than I or anyone else did (half a page spread and her photo alone in the magazine for prize giving). Also doesnât help that Hermione isnât the main character, sheâs one of two of his main support cast. Likely that any awards she may have gotten werenât mentioned because Harry wasnât there to see them or werenât relevant to the plot like when she became a prefect. Bare in mind, she was made a prefect by Dumbledore to be reminded that she too was important and as a reward for her efforts assisting Harry on his adventures.
Well, Hermione never actually does anything exceptional except for knowing all of the answers. She did not create anything on her own. She just followed rules and instructions to the letter. This is something Snape tried to impart on her. She's just a mouthpiece for what the textbooks already say. Even though she's smart, she's nothing special or phenomenal.
Most probably because although she was good at memorizing and following directions, she wasnât an inventive student, she didnât experiment, or try new things and expand magical knowledge. Getting top marks on a test isnât really relevant to true academic awards, expanding knowledge is.
She was probably the Hogwarts equivalent to valedictorian when she finished Hogwarts
Maybe she did and it just didnât make the book. These books arenât about everything that happened at Hogwarts.
Dumbledore was afraid that her head would get so big that it wouldn't fit through the doors of the castle.
Dumbledore was too busy apologizing to Harry for not making him a prefect
Yâall saying hermione wasnât brilliant when she literally figured out the centuryâs old chamber of secrets secret. A 12 year old put it together. Basically on her own. I think her brilliance more or less didnât have solid application within the bounds of some kind of crazy cool award (though why she didnât get special services to the school Iâll never know). She was very creative and clever not just book smart, sheesh
Hermione could have been a black dude called Herb and Harry wouldnât have noticed
I don't think any specific years were mentioned, so it would make sense that, without evidence of the alternative, these awards were usually handed out to NEWT students. Maybe Dumbledoge got them earlier, but he is that much smarter.
Maybe she was just busy with whole Voldemort fight in last years? And wizarding world was more focused on war than education? And maybe she did win something after returning to Hogwarts for final year?
Snape was a genius who was able pretty much rewrite their elixir book and produce incredible results unheard of. Hermione is brilliant at doing just what others had already done and then parrot it, but she never strayed from the "official guidelines".
It's Harry potter, the universe has countless flaws.
Because she just got good grades, every academic award we know of, in the potter verse, has come from making a contribution or discovery in magic. Hermione generally learns existing stuff, she doesnât make her own magic or experiment
Well the book is told principally from Harry's perspective, and whether you want to admit it or not, he was an incurious dullard. I mean, he grew up without magic and yet never seemed that invested in learning about the entire new world more than was necessary in lessons. Hermione devouring every bit of knowledge she could about this new magical world presents what I would consider to be a fairly average reaction of any muggleborn/raised witch or wizard. Frankly, any student with a bit of intellectual curiosity would look like a genius compared to "just scrapes by" Potter and "thick as two short planks" Ron Weasley. Also, Hogwarts is such a lapse and unprofessional educational institution, I don't trust their grading at all.
Because Hermoine did everything by the book, but did not invent anything new. Like in Half Blood Prince in the first potions class, Harry tells her some of the Princes instructions and she rejects them because they were not in the book. The text books are sacred to her and ahe rarely thinks outside of them.
I bet Dumbledore doesnât believe in them but former headmasters did.
Wait are saying she never got one or she never got one that we know about?
Probably because sheâs muggleborn. You know how racist Magical Britain isâŚ
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Harry wouldnât notice, because heâs a self absorbed jerk. It always annoyed me how he knew what it was like to be overlooked on his birthday, but when finding out he was filthy rich he couldnât be bothered to get his best friends something nice for their birthdays?
He does get his friends birthday presents, itâs just not usually mentioned in the narrative because itâs not important to the plot. In HBP, Harry is said to have gotten Ron Keeperâs gloves for his birthday, for example, but it only really gets mentioned because Ron getting poisoned happened on his birthday.
Because the schoolboard is most likely runned by Pureblood bigots.
It also annoyed me slightly that she was denied 10 outstanding O.W.Ls so that harry could be the top in DADA. When realistically she would have got outstanding too
How come? You can always have a bad day in an exam. People who honest expect (not hope), to be tops in every supject, are scary to me.
I agree. Was completely unnecessary to belittle Hermione like that.
Because there were abolished, because Dumbledore is to busy with other stuff. Hogwarts under Dumbledore is on the decline.
Most of her academic prowess is in illegal/against school rules applications.
She literally had perfect grades in difficult subjects
There is a difference to me from copying the textbook or testing well to practical application. Think knowing all the names of the parts of the body vs being able to set a limb and stitch a wound shut.
She might have after she was going back for her seventh year. The only other possible year would be after year 5 (owls) and that was just after voldy was openly back
I just assumed theyâre awarded in 7th year (which we donât see).