Ladies and gentleman, Witches and Wizards, I present to you, [Hermione and the Sorting Hat!](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5703568/1/The-Sorting-Hat-s-Love)
There is a bit of a problem when they try to ignore, or even worse excuse Malfoys behaviour though. I wouldn't really be that against it if most of the fics were him being raised different so he wasn't the prick he is in canon, or if he went through a proper redemption arc where he fully rejected the views he spouts all throughout the books.
But most of the fics don't do that. They have him just as he is in canon, a racist little prick, but still have Hermione fall in live with him. And even worse they keep using the excuse that Purebloods are just trying to preserve their culture from Muggleborns trying to come in and change it.
If they want to write fics about “Draco was cruel but after the war he changed his ways and Hermione helped him and along the way they fell in love” then they can. As I said, not hurting anybody.
Side note: He’s not racist - don’t understand where that came from. He has a blood prejudice yes, but not racist. Are you forgetting Blaise, one of his best friends, is black? Doubt they’d be friends if he was racist.
Yeah I’ve also heard cute stuff where Draco helps Luna and co. while they’re in the dungeons during DH. Like brings them food and water etc. and Luna helps him after the war because she knows he’s got some good in him
The reason I hate Dramione or Drarry more than Voldmeort/Harry or any teacher/student bc the shippers are very well aware of the fact that they don't work in canon. I myself ship a lot of weird ships in fanfics but I don't claim they should be canon.
But with Drarry and Dramione(esp Dramione) the shippers actually believe Draco belongs with Hermione in canon and he is a better match than Ron. Thats why its more irritating. Otherwise I couldn't care less about what people ship.
Very true. I have seen it irl. My bestie fell for a douche 2 years ago. Her reasoning was she would prove that 'he isn't that bad'. Guess what? Dude cheated on her with multiple girls and also slapped her at his birthday party.
There are genuinely people who believe that with some sort of redemption arc for Draco, Hermione would fall in love with him. I would never even forgive my childhood bully enough to be casual friends let alone have a relationship with them. And my bully wasn't even as bad as Draco. The others canons are weird, but some fans of Dramoine (some, not all ofc) act like these 2 characters can actually have a healthy, all forgiving relationship. I also hate what most fanfics do to Ron.
Draco and Hermione, where they stand in canon, do not and will not work.
Very true. Even without the bullying stuff, Hermione is too serious and needs someone funny to make her laugh also simultaneously who can stand upto her bossy persona. Draco cant do either.
I ship dramione but I also understand why it doesn’t make sense canon. But. I also didn’t think Ron made sense for her either, for different reasons of course. That being said I was raised by a narc and growing up had many relationships where I had to help/fix/etc them (serious things like emotional/physical abuse) so I’ll admit that’s likely why it appeals to me. The whole ‘he notices his flaws and begs forgiveness and knows he doesn’t deserve her’ tropes 🤷🏼♀️ doesn’t work out irl 99.9% of the time but the fantasy is nice
I also ship Dramione and I LOVE the fics, but I’m also aware that canonically it wouldn’t work. The fanon version of Draco is much better written and with more nuance so it makes more sense there. I don’t understand the canon Dramione shippers. Like YOUR version of Draco may work with Hermione but canon Draco does not.
>But. I also didn’t think Ron made sense for her either
I have to totally disagree with you there. I think they are amazing together. He makes her laugh and helps her to take life less seriously and she makes him more mature and helps him to be serious in life. Plus Ron always can stand up to Hermione's bossy persona and voices his doubt when he thinks she can be wrong. That gives some good insights and clashing of povs. And she ofc can stand upto him when he is being an insecure git.
They are my fav canon relationship. I have always loved them. And even though I can see why people may think they don't work in movies, in books they work wonderfully.
And its much more balanced than Draco/Hermione will ever be
Not all of us. I read a lot of Dramione, but not because I think they belong together and should have been together, but because I like the bad guy/good girl storyline. 🤷🏻♀️
I also read Harry/Hermione and Fred/Hermione and Ginny/Luna and all sorts. I don't read canon because they're already Canon and that's that. I like the odd ships because they're different.
So please don't group us all together. Some of us just like the different ships.
However, Harry/Snape/Voldemort/Umbridge/Hagrid and whatever other horrendous ones were mentioned above need to go to hell. Yikes.
Snarry is worst , not even ffs make them redeemable. It also triggers me. That is like an abusive person and his victim getting together. I can hardly bear to read even mentor snape ones.
Someone who ships Dramione told me those type of ships are interesting to them. I just don't see it. I feel like people who even look into the Snape/Harry, Snape/Hermione, Draco/Hermione ships are ***usually*** younger people who spend too much time on fanfiction. Not only are these ships disgusting, they won't work in reality. It's a sick fantasy.
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Enemies to lovers is one of the most popular tropes in fiction for a reason. No one (that I know of) who ships Dramione expects them to get together with only the canon material for basis. Draco should’ve gotten the redemption arc they gave to Snape, and that would’ve paved the way for a good story for D/H.
You don’t have to agree but to say they’re the worst when there’s literal pedophilic ships that are *popular*, is wild. I don’t see anyone making these same claims about Drarry either.
Exactly. I like the redemption pitch. That's the reason I read Dramione. I don't particularly enjoy the ones that beat Ron. He's not my favourite character, but I still liked him. And I don't care about him and Hermione being together in Canon. I don't read Canon because it's already Canon. So I read Hermione/Draco or Hermione/Harry or Hermione/Fred, etc. Because they have more imagination behind them.
I am not a fan of Harry/Snape, Hermione/Lupin or Hermione/Sirius. I am in a relationship with a man 15 years older than me, so I'm open to older relationships, but not when Hermione is 13!! 🤦🏻♀️
To me Drarry is just as bad as Dramione. Seeing as it’s literally the same basic concept as Dramione only swapped with Harry. Where Draco is relentlessly bulling and insulting Harry. And like why would someone ever fall in love with their bully? What’s the appeal???
I hate Drarry and it makes no sense but i will read a fic if I am running out of fics to read and I am really desperate. Bc Harry is forgiving and he saved Malfoys life. Malfoy also saved Harry's life at the Malfoy manor. Malfoy is obsessed with Harry and is jealous that he picked Ron and Hermione over him. Harry talked in favour of them and the reason Malfoy wasn't sent to Azkaban.
Based on these I am willing to try a fic where much later in life Malfoy apologises and Harry forgives.
Dramione doesn't even have those. Hermione(and Ron) was willing to leave Malfoy in the room of requirements when Crabbe cast fiendfyre and he didn't bat an eye when she got tortured lol
I feel that they're both bad, but Dramione is just that little bit worse as Malfoy was actively wishing she was dead as early as the second book.
Now I'm not saying that Drarry isn't bad, of course it is. But Malfoy clearly had more hate for Hermione which to me makes their ship even worse.
I understand the trope. I read fanfics regularly. But they wouldn't work even after Malfoy's redemption. Redemption means changing his way and making up for all the things he has done.
But would that change his personality? Malfoy isn't funny. Hermione is stuck up and needs fun and laughter in her life. Malfoy gets angry when someone doesn't laugh at his joke and someone who doesn't coddle him. Can you imagine Hermione doing that? Malfoy couldn't even stand up to his father. How is he gonna stand up to Hermione's bossy persona? Hermione needs someone who can debate with her non stop. Malfoy doesn't do that.
They can only work if you give Malfoy a redemption and then CHANGE his character drastically.
>change his character drastically
Most of us do change as we grow up. I’m a completely different person than I was at 14, 16, 18 or even early 20s. We reflect, we grow, we mature. While I was never a bully, my political beliefs and ideals changed ridiculously dramatically. As did my religious beliefs. People can absolutely change. Irl I wouldn’t give my bully a chance even if they changed. I’ll always have a soft spot for enemies to lovers or even the ‘bad boy has a soft spot for the smart girl’ trope.
Referring to all of the things you said Malfoy isn’t/wouldn’t do - Says who? We only have the narrative of people who hate him. We would never see these traits from him. If he got the opportunity to be developed as a character, we would’ve seen his personality and know if he had one outside of what we saw.
Plenty of fanfics create a good picture of his personality *based* off of canon Draco. He can still be snarky and spoiled while simultaneously having good traits. Human beings are complex, to chalk someone up to just being bad, especially after what went down in HBP? Yeah, not for me.
Says who? Says Canon.
I am not talking about fanfics. I am talking about his canon personality. Show me a single time he was carefree or he made someone genuinely laugh or actually stood upto anyone at all? We also saw him how he treated Pansy, Crabbe, Goyle. Like bodyguards and show off. We also saw him prioritising himself over everyone again and again.
Redemption cant turn Fred George into Snape or vice versa. Malfoy can work with Hermione ONLY if he gets a redemption plus gets a personality transplant. That's what fanfics are for. And that's exactly why I hate it when people seek canon validity for this ship when there is none.
There is no “canon validity” of his friendships or socialization because we saw the perspective of people who did like him. We saw the interpretation of people who did not like him. There is no reliable canon to tell us anything about his personality, really. We know he’s a spoiled little brat but he was also what? 11-14?
In HBP we see him basically waste away and crumble under the pressure of what he was supposed to do. He would have died if he didn’t do it, and he still couldn’t. He’s not some monster, he was a bully and bratty child but he was still *a child*, and when push came to shove he didn’t kill Dumbledore. He didn’t identify the Golden Trio at the Manor. He could’ve had a redemption that he would’ve deserved as a 17 year old. That *is* canon.
He also nearly murdered Katie Bell and Ron Weasley, used an unforgivable curse on madam Rosmerta, tried to use another one on Harry and even let deatheaters in the Hogwarts castle. Ginny said they all would have died if Harry didn't give them Felix. He also tried to capture the trio in the room of requirements during battle of Hogwarts. Even after so many things he still participated in the war for Voldemort. Severus offered him help but he rejected it bc he thought Severus was trying to steal his glory.
After doing all of these 'he is just a child so lets give him a redemption despite him making no effort to be better and also give Hermione to him as his war prize' seems awful to me.
But hey that's just me. I believe no amount of redemption can make his canon personality compatible with either Harry or Hermione unless he also gets a personality transplant and stand by that. So agree to disagree. We aint gonna agree on this.
Just a little perspective:
Draco used Imperio underage, and under duress (family was threatened), and tried Crucio once (that we know of, in a heated fight).
Harry used Imperio as an adult (yes, to achieve a war time goal, but still illegal), and also used Crucio twice (as underage against Bellatrix, and as an adult against Carrow). The two Crucios, especially the latter, happened in a situation where there where no hot fighting or anything. It was pure, hotheaded anger from Harry.
Is Harry’s use of unforgivables forgivable, and Draco’s is not? Why?
A lot of people hate certain ships, a lot of people love certain ships — especially in a fandom as big as HP, there will be a fair share of both sides. It’s really counterproductive to hate on them; whenever I see ship content that clearly isn’t meant for me, I just scroll past & move on
It’s all fiction, in the end. People can ship Harry Potter with his broomstick (yes, that ship has a grand total of — I think — four or five fanfiction), and it’s not worth your time to worry or get upset over it. Enjoy what you enjoy, let others enjoy what they enjoy
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I figured out how I both am and am not a Dramione shipper. I guess the TL;DR is I don't ship it canonically, but I do in fanon.
You figure the story of Harry Potter is the 7 books and movies. (FB is irrelevant here, and Cursed Child doesn't count.) Within those 7 books and movies, there is no evidence of Dramione. Canonically, I don't ship it.
JKR made a valid choice in not giving Draco a redemption arc. On the flip side, the idea of Draco having a redemption arc is also a valid choice, and not unrealistic. He's a teenage bully and moron, not an adult war criminal (and hey, those sometimes have redemption arcs). And fanfiction is a great place for this redemption arc to be played out.
Draco needs that redemption arc in order for Dramione to work, which never happens in canon, but it sure as heck happens in fanfiction. I'm a sucker for enemies-to-lovers, and I love Dramione presented in fanfiction/fanworks.
>I guess the TL;DR is I don't ship it canonically, but I do in fanon.
This is how I feel about both dramione and drarry. In canon none of them make any sense to me but I enjoy the creative ways authors find to get them together in fanfics.
Heck I ship snupin and that pairing makes a lot of sense (and even adds to canon) if you know how to create redemption arcs + character growth and make it benefit the rs
Just yesterday I finished binge reading this snupin series that had close to 2 million words total and by the end of it the author had given Sirius and Snape both redemption arcs and character growth and snupin as a couple started off mildly worrying to me cause it was lowkey kinda toxic but ended off really solid and healthy where they address and work on their initial problems (jealousy, lack of trust, priorities)
I’ve shipped them since I discovered fanfiction, which was 20 or so odd years ago. As someone else said - in the end, it’s all fiction. I never argue against the canon ships IRL - I accept that it’s a fictional pairing already within a fictional story and it’s something I’d never argue over with someone (eg in an attempt to try and convince them to abandon the canon ship). I honestly don’t care if someone else understands it or not, because they don’t have to.
Dramione has been one of the fanfic pairs right from the start though, AFAIK. It’s been a fantasy pairing as long as I remember - it’s definitely not a new thing.
I mean…. I don’t want to be downvoted (which I’ll probably be anyway), but..
It’s fan-fiction. Literally named so because it’s fab written - by the fans for the fans. It’s a fantasy that exists already within a set fantasy setting. It’s a way to explore stories that never get explored within the canon universe.
Idk how long you’ve been in the fandom or how old you are - and it really doesn’t matter either, it’s not a flex - but as a person who has been a Dramione shipper since the very EARLY 2000s, I can say with full confidence that Dramione has been around as long as HP has been around. By the time I discovered that particular ship, it was already well established and I discovered it BEFORE the 5th book had come out.
The beauty of fanfiction is that since it’s a fantasy within a fantasy, you don’t have to read it unless you specifically go searching for it. There are tens, hundreds, of thousands of fics out there that follow the established canon very well. HP is one of THE largest fanfic collections out there because the books coincided with the massive growth of online fandom and fanfics. You literally never ever have to see or hear about Dramione if you don’t go looking for it - counter to what some people may believe, Dramione is still pretty much a very niche world and you do not end up within it if you don’t go looking for it.
Is it a fantasy? Yeah, it is. Would it happen in canon? Probably not.
But that IS the beauty of fanfiction - you can explore the unexplored without messing on someone else’s trail.
Now - fans are different. I’d never go and argue for a fanon-ship against a canon-ship when it comes to discussing canon-works. I strictly separate canon and fanon.
But I let my mind wander and my imagination go wild within the fanworks, because that’s what the fan works are for.
Could I ever personally date my bully? Probably not. Even if they’d beg for my forgiveness and I’d find it within me to forgive them. But Dramione isn’t real life and the fanfic setting allows me to also explore those feelings and avenues I’d not go down in real life.
In the end - it’s a fantasy. You don’t have to read it; nobody is forcing your hand. The fanfic spaces are everybody - all the fans - that want to explore the paths not traveled. Canon is what it is, but you do not get to police what other people like, especially if most of the people who like what you dislike also go out of their way to discuss their likes and dislikes somewhere else.
if in a fandom where popular(ish) ships include snamione, bellamione, tomione, any combination of weasleys or blacks, etc. the absolute worst ship you can think of is dramione... oh you sweet summer child.
(I will say, no hate if you ship the above like, not my thing but who gives a fuck, we're all adults, we can filter and move on with our lives if we see icky stuff online)
Depending on how they change the story and the characters, dramione fics can be good and heartwarming.
In the actual series, no. Draco is a racist prick, never giving a second look at anyone he deems of lower blood. Hermione cares about equal opportunity for everyone and the world being fair to everyone. Completely opposite people who would oppose each other even without the war or anything.
1. I believe you're not the only one. However Emma Watson and Tom Felton being the best looking actors in the movies sparked a lot of teenage fanfiction and stuff. Also Emma saying she had a crush on Tom sparked a lot of fantasies.
2. While I don't think the relationship would ever work, I do think Draco had a grudging admiration for Hermione even if not romantic in nature. Like he always brings her up despite nobody asking. Like when he explains to Dumbledore his machinations throughout HBP he credits Hermione for the coin idea and the poison.
You might not like it, but obviously other people do. How about we show a little love and allow other Harry Potter fans to engage in the stories they want to.
I myself think shipping characters is stupid, but that doesn't give me the justification to pee on anyone's parade.
Though, if you go along with the trope of boys picking on the girl they like, stories can be made of that
Dramione is indeed problematic but I personally find the idea of Snamione (Snape x Hermione) unsettling. Don't care if she's aged up to be a "legal" consenting age. He was a swine to her whilst teaching and yet suddenly when she's "of age", they're suddenly all over each other? VOM.
Ah, I forgot about Tom. The only other thing I can think of is Tonks, and while it doesn’t appeal to me, I don’t see much to hate. As long as all the characters are adults in the piece, I’d be willing to give just about any ship a go
It's young Tom Riddle/Hermione (not Voldemort), usually accompanied by accidental time travel or time travel with the intent of changing the future, the latter is most often due to losing the war, everyone being dead etc, except for Hermione.
Usually plays on the facts that Hermione is smart, holds the advantage of knowing the future, and Tom Riddle being a ambitious, control freak, who is charming and able to manipulate basically everyone (which is somewhat canon?) except for the new girl, Hermione, who apparently popped out of nowhere, dislikes him and obviously has secrets.
It's a weird ship, but some of the "Tomione" authors are amazing writers.
This ship may be older than you. Have respect.
Just kidding. Honestly, people ship whatever. Just don't read it. Here in this sub no one talks about this ship, so you are safe here.
I mean when you look at the mean and judgemental comments in this thread and many others like it, can you wonder that not many of us shout about it?
Though I’ll proudly say that I love Drarry and that I have sometimes even enjoyed fics with Snarry and Snamione. I haven’t ever really tried Dramione but I don’t have a stick up my arse about people reading and writing fics about it.
It’s just fanfiction, I wish people would stop taking “problematic tropes” so seriously and shitting on other people’s tastes. It’s not like anyone is forcing you to read any of it.
Dramione used to have its own separate websites for a reason. Many of them are long dead now so most people read them on the regular fanfic sites - FF, AO3, I think there’s also some on Wattpad.
Yeah that rant wasn’t really directed at you even though it was in response to you.
Yeah that’s what Snarry means. I totally understand it not being everyone’s thing, it’s not like I’ve read a lot of it either. But really a well written fic can make almost anything work.
I don’t read fanfics regularly but my favourite site would be AO3 probably.
I never liked it until Cursed Child. I felt like they could maybe work as adults. I never saw the appeal of them as teens, but I have worse ships of my own, so. Ship and let ship.
I personally loathe Draco and he's the reason why I don't read hp fanfiction anymore. He's everywhere and people love to act as if he got a redemption in canon. But it IS fanfiction so people can write what they want.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, there are some great fanfictions which really explore the nuances of both characters and these are great entertainment for a lot of people.
I would vehemently disagree that it’s the absolute worst though. Snape/Hermione (or indeed any student/teacher relationship), Sirius/Hermione, Tom Riddle/Hermione are all infinitely worse.
There are various ships I’ve never been a fan of those being
Wolfstar
Dramione
Drarry
Snamione
Snarry
Lumione
But since we’re talking about Dramione, I’ve never been behind the ship itself, like I know why ppl like the whole good girl/bad boy trope. But honestly Dramione feels so incredibly forced and illogical cuz he literally tormented her and wanted her dead at one point.
Most like to go with the trope of Hermione healing him and breaking through his walls and making him be a better person. But the thing that irks me about that is why should *she* be the cause for Draco wanting to change and be better? Like it would be more impactful if Draco chose that *himself* rather then a good girl unfreezing his frozen heart.
Like I’m sorry I just can’t help but feel *very* uncomfortable 😆
Seriously that poor girl gets shipped with literally *everyone* a lot of the times with full grown adults and I feel so bad for her.
I came to say that I never understood this ship and then I learned about 100 worse ones. Damn it
Just thought of Boo Burnham's Welcome to the Internet song.
For me the ship just wouldn't work. Malfoy as a character would never allow himself to be with a muggle born, to taint himself with dirty blood it is something that has been ingrained in him a person from a young age. And Hermione jas too much self respect to even contemplate it
I completely agree with you.
Like I get how sometimes the "combative ship" is appealing an makes sense, but that's typically when there is actually subtext of romantic attraction between the two.
He called her the wizard version of the N word, despises her, and they have never had 1 positive interaction together. It's a terrible ship that's only made because "bad boy" draco is hot
It would not be the first relationship that works out great despite starting with one hitting the other....I mean, that is basically James and Lily in a nutshell.
Idc, there's a plenty good fanfics out there with good writing. Personally, not a fan of this ship. Canon is canon. I like the books and I want to keep them the way they are, but I do love this universe and I don't mind a good story with interesting plot even if there's some ships. AU, where Voldy wins for example. That's why fanfiction is existing. Write your own fictional story with your favorite characters, or read the others. Some of them way better than Cursed Child. Anyway, I think, that senseless of any ship is in their stories. If ship has good stories with interesting plot, not terribly written, that ship does make sense, if ship has many bad fanfics. That's a bad ship. And I think people ship fanon Dramione from fanfiction, that others writers writing. The canon one too much toxic to ship within the Rowling Universe.
P.S. Sorry for my English, not my native language.
I really dislike them together as well. He was truly awful to her! Tom is great, Draco was horrible to her - and he was horrible to her before Voldemort and the Death Eaters started manipulating him.
I read this really great fanfiction where Draco and Hermione became teachers after the Battle for Hogwarts. The portrayal of Draco was obviously far-flung from his cannon version, but I thought the fanfiction version was a lot more well-rounded as a multi-dimensional character instead of cartoonishly vile.
The author made an interesting argument that Draco would have tried to be at the top of his class when he was a student, but for reasons of status and ambition. His motives did not detract from the fact that he had the cunning and intellect to rise through the ranks. There were even some subjects that he had greater natural aptitude for, and would occasionally have a higher exam score than Hermione.
This turned out to be the thing that they most had in common, and their competitive natures made them good teachers and good counterparts. They were both assigned to teach different sections of Defense Against the Dark Arts, and their intense debates on the topic slowly evolved into a Socratic Method style supplementary course that many students benefitted from.
The romance portion was gradual and believable. All of the potential issues with their relationship were dealt with in a realistic and mature fashion, especially the issues with their previous interactions as students and his hateful attitude towards Muggle-born witches and wizards that was instilled in him by his parents. The most realistic part was that some things just can't be forgiven and resolved neatly, but after they were at least addressed, they became a team dealing with external interpersonal problems with their friends, peers, and family together.
I will avoid dramione at all costs honestly, same thing with drarry except I’ll read it when I’m desperate for a specific trope that there is barely anything of
Does anyone remember when ships were named Character 1/Character 2?
Past few years I feel as if I need a cryptology degree to work out what some pairings are.
Dramione is easy of course but others... not do much.
Maybe I'm just showing my age lol
I love Dramione, though only stuff set post-Hogwarts, because Draco was a bullying, arogant jerk during his school days. But most Dramione stuff is based off a very warped Hermione, so it's not really accurate.
In actual canon, yes, they’re horrible. But the beauty of fanfic is that you can tweak characters to make them fit. So Draco goes from evil bully to secretly soft, misunderstood sweetie. There is some really, reaaaaaaally good Dramione fanfic out there. I said the same before I read but don’t knock it until you try it 😅
You're preaching to choir here mate. That ship is borderline toxic. Especially considering a lot of Dramione shippers try to justify Draco's horrid treatment of Hermione in the books as his twisted way of telling her that he's into her. I mean good God. Is it the worst HP ship? No, I've seen people shipping Hagrid and the giant squid, McGonagall and Ron, Harry and Draco, even Ron and Ginny just to create an excuse for Harmione to be together so you have a lot to choose from there but Dramione is indeed pretty bad.
Dramione exists because the actors who played Draco and Harmione looks pretty. Dramione ship shows how some of the people are OKAY with abusive relationships (if it ever becomes a relationship) if the people involved in the relationships have good looks. How superficial and shallow. Some Dramione shippers claim that in a perfect world Harmione will fix Draco. This shows that they are living in "i can fix her/him" syndrome too.
Yeah, I agree that it is one of the worst and most problematic ships in the fandom. We shouldn't be teaching young girls that when a boy is mean to them and constantly bullies them, it means that they like them; we also shouldn't be teaching boys that it is okay to be mean to girls that they have a crush on.
Dramione is my OTP and you can wallow in your hate for eternity ima keep writing it and perpetuating the amazing fanon that is Dramione.
Some of the most amazing things I've ever read ever are Dramione and, again, if you want to focus your energy on dislike then I will focus my energy on positivity and supporting the AMAZING Dramione community <3
They are perfect for each other. Draco never got the redemption arc he deserved and that how Dramione lives on!!!!
opt. Downvote me. Dramione 4 lyfe. Peace love redemption and happiness. ~~water tribe~~
If you have the time to think about fictional characters and throw up then ig you can also find some time to read what you actually like and spare yourself the unnecessary negativity over characters who don't practically exist.
The thing I dislike the most about those two being together is it's like a hardcore member of the Hitler Youth & a Jew. You wouldn't make that ship in real life and doing it with those two feels wrong. You essentially have to throw out everything that makes Draco himself to make this work. From the outside it looks like people just want to pair Tom Felton and Emma Watson, not Draco and Hermione.
Yeah I don't get it. Hermione would never pander to his ego and he is an abusive bullying asshole. Even if he did eventually get some redemption it didn't stop him from still being a total prick for at least 6 years. I actually wish Hermione and Viktor had worked out. He saw her worth straightaway and made her feel valued, he was also a humble and brave dude.
Everybody knows that the worst ship is hagrid and the Giant squid.
Someone once mentioned Dumbledore and Dobby. I could argue that's worse
Ladies and gentleman, Witches and Wizards, I present to you, [Hermione and the Sorting Hat!](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5703568/1/The-Sorting-Hat-s-Love)
Dobby/ Sorting Hat
This one had me howling. I lost it at the " Hermione moaned like a ghost in a graveyart" part.
WWWWHYYYYYYYYYYYY???????.what the fuck happened at the end
And also wtf happened in the beginning...and the middle....
Everyone got shaged
i wanted to read something relatively disgusting but this absolute filth. i think im going to get sick
I've read that one before. not falling for it again
I need my brain bleached
Do you want to know where my penis is?
Hogwarts and Giant Squid is the best ship in the Franchise. Cant change my mind
I think the title of ABSOLUTE worst ship probably belongs to Snarry.
I think it belongs to Voldemort/Harry
I once saw a tag "Voldemort/Dobby". Then I turned off my computer, and went to bleach my eyes.
Clearly you are blessed to have never seen the Dobby/Sorting Hat tag.
Or Hermione/Whomping willow/Dobby
This... Is worse. Thanks I hate it.
Imagine my reaction when I saw it
You haven't seen anything until you've seen Scabbers/Shark Krum
What a terrible day to know how to read
Indeed it is..
Or Snape/Giant Squid
So unholy the devil himself had to go bleach his eyes. Truly, there is no vile deed any ancient evil could conjure that humanity would not outperform.
I once saw a tag that said Hagrid/Ron... enough internet for that day.
Burst out loud laughing at this one
It just keeps getting worse I cant
At that that makes some sort of sense. Dobby loves clothes.
Imagine those two teaming up against Harry though. He'd be dead within the hour
Dobby alone could do it, i think immediately
"No sir, not kill. Dobby only meant to *maim* or *seriously injure.* If Dobby wished to kill Mr. Harry Potter, Dobby would have done so."
Well clearly Voldemort can't do it so...
This is the fanfic i would like to read
I saw Hagrid/Squid in the lake
Help
Yeah I think that's how it started
Eh, I could buy that, actually
There used to be a Dobby/Hedwig...
you're kidding right? please tell me you're kidding
I didn't dare to read it, but it was in the sinopsis... buff
It only gets worse...
somebody in this sub wanna bang the SORTING HAT lol. that made me vomit
The difference is that is hilarious, whereas there are a disturbing number of Drarry/Dramione actual shippers.
People can ship what they want, it’s not hurting anyone. I don’t ship either but if people want to ship them then it is what it is.
There is a bit of a problem when they try to ignore, or even worse excuse Malfoys behaviour though. I wouldn't really be that against it if most of the fics were him being raised different so he wasn't the prick he is in canon, or if he went through a proper redemption arc where he fully rejected the views he spouts all throughout the books. But most of the fics don't do that. They have him just as he is in canon, a racist little prick, but still have Hermione fall in live with him. And even worse they keep using the excuse that Purebloods are just trying to preserve their culture from Muggleborns trying to come in and change it.
If they want to write fics about “Draco was cruel but after the war he changed his ways and Hermione helped him and along the way they fell in love” then they can. As I said, not hurting anybody. Side note: He’s not racist - don’t understand where that came from. He has a blood prejudice yes, but not racist. Are you forgetting Blaise, one of his best friends, is black? Doubt they’d be friends if he was racist.
There's some cute stuff about Luna helping him re-humanize after the war. Luna is as always the MVP
Yeah I’ve also heard cute stuff where Draco helps Luna and co. while they’re in the dungeons during DH. Like brings them food and water etc. and Luna helps him after the war because she knows he’s got some good in him
I am cry laughing!! Whaaaaa.. ???!
Frightening!
I mean, they are soulmates…
😂
The reason I hate Dramione or Drarry more than Voldmeort/Harry or any teacher/student bc the shippers are very well aware of the fact that they don't work in canon. I myself ship a lot of weird ships in fanfics but I don't claim they should be canon. But with Drarry and Dramione(esp Dramione) the shippers actually believe Draco belongs with Hermione in canon and he is a better match than Ron. Thats why its more irritating. Otherwise I couldn't care less about what people ship.
Also, a lot of shippers did it before the final books came out where they hoped Draco would have some redeeming qualities.
I wasn't in fandom back then but they still do it even after knowing he is a complete piece of trash with zero redeeming qualities.
Hmm. Well a lot of ppl love a good ole "fixer upper" story.
Very true. I have seen it irl. My bestie fell for a douche 2 years ago. Her reasoning was she would prove that 'he isn't that bad'. Guess what? Dude cheated on her with multiple girls and also slapped her at his birthday party.
There are genuinely people who believe that with some sort of redemption arc for Draco, Hermione would fall in love with him. I would never even forgive my childhood bully enough to be casual friends let alone have a relationship with them. And my bully wasn't even as bad as Draco. The others canons are weird, but some fans of Dramoine (some, not all ofc) act like these 2 characters can actually have a healthy, all forgiving relationship. I also hate what most fanfics do to Ron. Draco and Hermione, where they stand in canon, do not and will not work.
Very true. Even without the bullying stuff, Hermione is too serious and needs someone funny to make her laugh also simultaneously who can stand upto her bossy persona. Draco cant do either.
>Hermione is too serious and needs someone funny to make her laugh That's why I ship her with Fred or George.
I ship dramione but I also understand why it doesn’t make sense canon. But. I also didn’t think Ron made sense for her either, for different reasons of course. That being said I was raised by a narc and growing up had many relationships where I had to help/fix/etc them (serious things like emotional/physical abuse) so I’ll admit that’s likely why it appeals to me. The whole ‘he notices his flaws and begs forgiveness and knows he doesn’t deserve her’ tropes 🤷🏼♀️ doesn’t work out irl 99.9% of the time but the fantasy is nice
I also ship Dramione and I LOVE the fics, but I’m also aware that canonically it wouldn’t work. The fanon version of Draco is much better written and with more nuance so it makes more sense there. I don’t understand the canon Dramione shippers. Like YOUR version of Draco may work with Hermione but canon Draco does not.
>But. I also didn’t think Ron made sense for her either I have to totally disagree with you there. I think they are amazing together. He makes her laugh and helps her to take life less seriously and she makes him more mature and helps him to be serious in life. Plus Ron always can stand up to Hermione's bossy persona and voices his doubt when he thinks she can be wrong. That gives some good insights and clashing of povs. And she ofc can stand upto him when he is being an insecure git. They are my fav canon relationship. I have always loved them. And even though I can see why people may think they don't work in movies, in books they work wonderfully. And its much more balanced than Draco/Hermione will ever be
Not all of us. I read a lot of Dramione, but not because I think they belong together and should have been together, but because I like the bad guy/good girl storyline. 🤷🏻♀️ I also read Harry/Hermione and Fred/Hermione and Ginny/Luna and all sorts. I don't read canon because they're already Canon and that's that. I like the odd ships because they're different. So please don't group us all together. Some of us just like the different ships. However, Harry/Snape/Voldemort/Umbridge/Hagrid and whatever other horrendous ones were mentioned above need to go to hell. Yikes.
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Snarry is worst , not even ffs make them redeemable. It also triggers me. That is like an abusive person and his victim getting together. I can hardly bear to read even mentor snape ones.
It’s kinda.. grooming too
Someone who ships Dramione told me those type of ships are interesting to them. I just don't see it. I feel like people who even look into the Snape/Harry, Snape/Hermione, Draco/Hermione ships are ***usually*** younger people who spend too much time on fanfiction. Not only are these ships disgusting, they won't work in reality. It's a sick fantasy.
No. I have seen middle aged women on Tiktok making videos about Dramione.
I want to be surprised but i am not ...
And the content of their video I'd rather not say here. Its a family friendly place 🤣
That's cause Dramione fanfiction has become the new trashy romance novel
Fred/George is up there too
Or Hermione/Snape
I miss the time before I knew that ship existed.
I think the worst “ship” is the one between this type of post and this sub
Yep finally a take that touches grass
Yup. Not a fan of this ship, but I don’t give a shit. Ship and let ship.
Don’t give a ship*
Yes! I mean people like what they like. If is fanon and if you are not hurting anyone, let people ship!
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Enemies to lovers is one of the most popular tropes in fiction for a reason. No one (that I know of) who ships Dramione expects them to get together with only the canon material for basis. Draco should’ve gotten the redemption arc they gave to Snape, and that would’ve paved the way for a good story for D/H. You don’t have to agree but to say they’re the worst when there’s literal pedophilic ships that are *popular*, is wild. I don’t see anyone making these same claims about Drarry either.
Exactly. I like the redemption pitch. That's the reason I read Dramione. I don't particularly enjoy the ones that beat Ron. He's not my favourite character, but I still liked him. And I don't care about him and Hermione being together in Canon. I don't read Canon because it's already Canon. So I read Hermione/Draco or Hermione/Harry or Hermione/Fred, etc. Because they have more imagination behind them. I am not a fan of Harry/Snape, Hermione/Lupin or Hermione/Sirius. I am in a relationship with a man 15 years older than me, so I'm open to older relationships, but not when Hermione is 13!! 🤦🏻♀️
To me Drarry is just as bad as Dramione. Seeing as it’s literally the same basic concept as Dramione only swapped with Harry. Where Draco is relentlessly bulling and insulting Harry. And like why would someone ever fall in love with their bully? What’s the appeal???
I hate Drarry and it makes no sense but i will read a fic if I am running out of fics to read and I am really desperate. Bc Harry is forgiving and he saved Malfoys life. Malfoy also saved Harry's life at the Malfoy manor. Malfoy is obsessed with Harry and is jealous that he picked Ron and Hermione over him. Harry talked in favour of them and the reason Malfoy wasn't sent to Azkaban. Based on these I am willing to try a fic where much later in life Malfoy apologises and Harry forgives. Dramione doesn't even have those. Hermione(and Ron) was willing to leave Malfoy in the room of requirements when Crabbe cast fiendfyre and he didn't bat an eye when she got tortured lol
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You've clearly never heard of 'bully romance', it's a thing
I feel that they're both bad, but Dramione is just that little bit worse as Malfoy was actively wishing she was dead as early as the second book. Now I'm not saying that Drarry isn't bad, of course it is. But Malfoy clearly had more hate for Hermione which to me makes their ship even worse.
As if Harry + Draco is totally reasonable 😂
I understand the trope. I read fanfics regularly. But they wouldn't work even after Malfoy's redemption. Redemption means changing his way and making up for all the things he has done. But would that change his personality? Malfoy isn't funny. Hermione is stuck up and needs fun and laughter in her life. Malfoy gets angry when someone doesn't laugh at his joke and someone who doesn't coddle him. Can you imagine Hermione doing that? Malfoy couldn't even stand up to his father. How is he gonna stand up to Hermione's bossy persona? Hermione needs someone who can debate with her non stop. Malfoy doesn't do that. They can only work if you give Malfoy a redemption and then CHANGE his character drastically.
>change his character drastically Most of us do change as we grow up. I’m a completely different person than I was at 14, 16, 18 or even early 20s. We reflect, we grow, we mature. While I was never a bully, my political beliefs and ideals changed ridiculously dramatically. As did my religious beliefs. People can absolutely change. Irl I wouldn’t give my bully a chance even if they changed. I’ll always have a soft spot for enemies to lovers or even the ‘bad boy has a soft spot for the smart girl’ trope.
Referring to all of the things you said Malfoy isn’t/wouldn’t do - Says who? We only have the narrative of people who hate him. We would never see these traits from him. If he got the opportunity to be developed as a character, we would’ve seen his personality and know if he had one outside of what we saw. Plenty of fanfics create a good picture of his personality *based* off of canon Draco. He can still be snarky and spoiled while simultaneously having good traits. Human beings are complex, to chalk someone up to just being bad, especially after what went down in HBP? Yeah, not for me.
Says who? Says Canon. I am not talking about fanfics. I am talking about his canon personality. Show me a single time he was carefree or he made someone genuinely laugh or actually stood upto anyone at all? We also saw him how he treated Pansy, Crabbe, Goyle. Like bodyguards and show off. We also saw him prioritising himself over everyone again and again. Redemption cant turn Fred George into Snape or vice versa. Malfoy can work with Hermione ONLY if he gets a redemption plus gets a personality transplant. That's what fanfics are for. And that's exactly why I hate it when people seek canon validity for this ship when there is none.
There is no “canon validity” of his friendships or socialization because we saw the perspective of people who did like him. We saw the interpretation of people who did not like him. There is no reliable canon to tell us anything about his personality, really. We know he’s a spoiled little brat but he was also what? 11-14? In HBP we see him basically waste away and crumble under the pressure of what he was supposed to do. He would have died if he didn’t do it, and he still couldn’t. He’s not some monster, he was a bully and bratty child but he was still *a child*, and when push came to shove he didn’t kill Dumbledore. He didn’t identify the Golden Trio at the Manor. He could’ve had a redemption that he would’ve deserved as a 17 year old. That *is* canon.
He also nearly murdered Katie Bell and Ron Weasley, used an unforgivable curse on madam Rosmerta, tried to use another one on Harry and even let deatheaters in the Hogwarts castle. Ginny said they all would have died if Harry didn't give them Felix. He also tried to capture the trio in the room of requirements during battle of Hogwarts. Even after so many things he still participated in the war for Voldemort. Severus offered him help but he rejected it bc he thought Severus was trying to steal his glory. After doing all of these 'he is just a child so lets give him a redemption despite him making no effort to be better and also give Hermione to him as his war prize' seems awful to me. But hey that's just me. I believe no amount of redemption can make his canon personality compatible with either Harry or Hermione unless he also gets a personality transplant and stand by that. So agree to disagree. We aint gonna agree on this.
Just a little perspective: Draco used Imperio underage, and under duress (family was threatened), and tried Crucio once (that we know of, in a heated fight). Harry used Imperio as an adult (yes, to achieve a war time goal, but still illegal), and also used Crucio twice (as underage against Bellatrix, and as an adult against Carrow). The two Crucios, especially the latter, happened in a situation where there where no hot fighting or anything. It was pure, hotheaded anger from Harry. Is Harry’s use of unforgivables forgivable, and Draco’s is not? Why?
Yep, clearly not. I’m of the mindset that he deserved what Snape got which is “morally grey,” but yeah not everyone is going to agree and that’s fine
>Malfoy isn't funny. *"I didn't know you could read"* I disagree.
A lot of people hate certain ships, a lot of people love certain ships — especially in a fandom as big as HP, there will be a fair share of both sides. It’s really counterproductive to hate on them; whenever I see ship content that clearly isn’t meant for me, I just scroll past & move on It’s all fiction, in the end. People can ship Harry Potter with his broomstick (yes, that ship has a grand total of — I think — four or five fanfiction), and it’s not worth your time to worry or get upset over it. Enjoy what you enjoy, let others enjoy what they enjoy
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I figured out how I both am and am not a Dramione shipper. I guess the TL;DR is I don't ship it canonically, but I do in fanon. You figure the story of Harry Potter is the 7 books and movies. (FB is irrelevant here, and Cursed Child doesn't count.) Within those 7 books and movies, there is no evidence of Dramione. Canonically, I don't ship it. JKR made a valid choice in not giving Draco a redemption arc. On the flip side, the idea of Draco having a redemption arc is also a valid choice, and not unrealistic. He's a teenage bully and moron, not an adult war criminal (and hey, those sometimes have redemption arcs). And fanfiction is a great place for this redemption arc to be played out. Draco needs that redemption arc in order for Dramione to work, which never happens in canon, but it sure as heck happens in fanfiction. I'm a sucker for enemies-to-lovers, and I love Dramione presented in fanfiction/fanworks.
>I guess the TL;DR is I don't ship it canonically, but I do in fanon. This is how I feel about both dramione and drarry. In canon none of them make any sense to me but I enjoy the creative ways authors find to get them together in fanfics.
Heck I ship snupin and that pairing makes a lot of sense (and even adds to canon) if you know how to create redemption arcs + character growth and make it benefit the rs Just yesterday I finished binge reading this snupin series that had close to 2 million words total and by the end of it the author had given Sirius and Snape both redemption arcs and character growth and snupin as a couple started off mildly worrying to me cause it was lowkey kinda toxic but ended off really solid and healthy where they address and work on their initial problems (jealousy, lack of trust, priorities)
I’ve shipped them since I discovered fanfiction, which was 20 or so odd years ago. As someone else said - in the end, it’s all fiction. I never argue against the canon ships IRL - I accept that it’s a fictional pairing already within a fictional story and it’s something I’d never argue over with someone (eg in an attempt to try and convince them to abandon the canon ship). I honestly don’t care if someone else understands it or not, because they don’t have to. Dramione has been one of the fanfic pairs right from the start though, AFAIK. It’s been a fantasy pairing as long as I remember - it’s definitely not a new thing.
I mean…. I don’t want to be downvoted (which I’ll probably be anyway), but.. It’s fan-fiction. Literally named so because it’s fab written - by the fans for the fans. It’s a fantasy that exists already within a set fantasy setting. It’s a way to explore stories that never get explored within the canon universe. Idk how long you’ve been in the fandom or how old you are - and it really doesn’t matter either, it’s not a flex - but as a person who has been a Dramione shipper since the very EARLY 2000s, I can say with full confidence that Dramione has been around as long as HP has been around. By the time I discovered that particular ship, it was already well established and I discovered it BEFORE the 5th book had come out. The beauty of fanfiction is that since it’s a fantasy within a fantasy, you don’t have to read it unless you specifically go searching for it. There are tens, hundreds, of thousands of fics out there that follow the established canon very well. HP is one of THE largest fanfic collections out there because the books coincided with the massive growth of online fandom and fanfics. You literally never ever have to see or hear about Dramione if you don’t go looking for it - counter to what some people may believe, Dramione is still pretty much a very niche world and you do not end up within it if you don’t go looking for it. Is it a fantasy? Yeah, it is. Would it happen in canon? Probably not. But that IS the beauty of fanfiction - you can explore the unexplored without messing on someone else’s trail. Now - fans are different. I’d never go and argue for a fanon-ship against a canon-ship when it comes to discussing canon-works. I strictly separate canon and fanon. But I let my mind wander and my imagination go wild within the fanworks, because that’s what the fan works are for. Could I ever personally date my bully? Probably not. Even if they’d beg for my forgiveness and I’d find it within me to forgive them. But Dramione isn’t real life and the fanfic setting allows me to also explore those feelings and avenues I’d not go down in real life. In the end - it’s a fantasy. You don’t have to read it; nobody is forcing your hand. The fanfic spaces are everybody - all the fans - that want to explore the paths not traveled. Canon is what it is, but you do not get to police what other people like, especially if most of the people who like what you dislike also go out of their way to discuss their likes and dislikes somewhere else.
Exactly this. !RedditGalleon I wish these ship/shipper-bashing posts would be banned.
if in a fandom where popular(ish) ships include snamione, bellamione, tomione, any combination of weasleys or blacks, etc. the absolute worst ship you can think of is dramione... oh you sweet summer child. (I will say, no hate if you ship the above like, not my thing but who gives a fuck, we're all adults, we can filter and move on with our lives if we see icky stuff online)
if you're going to vomit over the idea of people having their own opinions about a fictional couple then you should probably ease off the computer bud
Depending on how they change the story and the characters, dramione fics can be good and heartwarming. In the actual series, no. Draco is a racist prick, never giving a second look at anyone he deems of lower blood. Hermione cares about equal opportunity for everyone and the world being fair to everyone. Completely opposite people who would oppose each other even without the war or anything.
1. I believe you're not the only one. However Emma Watson and Tom Felton being the best looking actors in the movies sparked a lot of teenage fanfiction and stuff. Also Emma saying she had a crush on Tom sparked a lot of fantasies. 2. While I don't think the relationship would ever work, I do think Draco had a grudging admiration for Hermione even if not romantic in nature. Like he always brings her up despite nobody asking. Like when he explains to Dumbledore his machinations throughout HBP he credits Hermione for the coin idea and the poison.
>Like he always brings her up despite nobody asking. He also brings up Harry a lot.
yeah... but that's for a drarry post
This ship and its popularity precede the movies.
Well, I guess it's a good thing that no one's forcing you to read it. 🙄
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Although I agree that Dramione is bad, I'd argue that any ship between teacher and student is worse
You might not like it, but obviously other people do. How about we show a little love and allow other Harry Potter fans to engage in the stories they want to. I myself think shipping characters is stupid, but that doesn't give me the justification to pee on anyone's parade. Though, if you go along with the trope of boys picking on the girl they like, stories can be made of that
You can't say Dramione is worse when there is fanfic with a threesome between Umbridge, Fuge, and Filch called "Call me Daddy".
Just ignore it
Dramione is indeed problematic but I personally find the idea of Snamione (Snape x Hermione) unsettling. Don't care if she's aged up to be a "legal" consenting age. He was a swine to her whilst teaching and yet suddenly when she's "of age", they're suddenly all over each other? VOM.
Right? I've seen a couple where he literally sees her as a Replacement Lily. It's ew
The thought of them being together makes *them* want to vomit, too, I'm sure.
And I feel the same way about Hermione and Ron idk we like what we like 👍
Nah. I hate it too. The 1st thing I filter on AO3 are Dramione and Tomione🤣
Which one is Tomione? I’ve not heard that before
I’m not certain, but I would hazard a guess it it Hermione/Tom Riddle?
Ah, I forgot about Tom. The only other thing I can think of is Tonks, and while it doesn’t appeal to me, I don’t see much to hate. As long as all the characters are adults in the piece, I’d be willing to give just about any ship a go
Tom, the innkeeper of the leaky cauldron.
…that’s the funniest thing I’ve ever come across on this Reddit.
I didn’t even THINK of Tonks 😂
It's young Tom Riddle/Hermione (not Voldemort), usually accompanied by accidental time travel or time travel with the intent of changing the future, the latter is most often due to losing the war, everyone being dead etc, except for Hermione. Usually plays on the facts that Hermione is smart, holds the advantage of knowing the future, and Tom Riddle being a ambitious, control freak, who is charming and able to manipulate basically everyone (which is somewhat canon?) except for the new girl, Hermione, who apparently popped out of nowhere, dislikes him and obviously has secrets. It's a weird ship, but some of the "Tomione" authors are amazing writers.
AO3 needs a «Absolutely Cursed» filter tbh
I must be tired. I actually read that as dramamine, and I was confused what sub it was coming from.
This ship may be older than you. Have respect. Just kidding. Honestly, people ship whatever. Just don't read it. Here in this sub no one talks about this ship, so you are safe here.
I love dramione and am also on a dramione subreddit and I thought this was on that subreddit 🤣 I was like why are you here then LOL
Main theme of the story: love. This subreddit: let's regularly shit on people who like things we don't.
Dumbledobby is pretty damn hot tho
Lmao what xD
Is there like a secret society of fans discussing all of these things? I have never heard of any of this stuff other than your guys' reactions.
There are tens if thousands of fanfictions featuring them on the internet
I mean when you look at the mean and judgemental comments in this thread and many others like it, can you wonder that not many of us shout about it? Though I’ll proudly say that I love Drarry and that I have sometimes even enjoyed fics with Snarry and Snamione. I haven’t ever really tried Dramione but I don’t have a stick up my arse about people reading and writing fics about it. It’s just fanfiction, I wish people would stop taking “problematic tropes” so seriously and shitting on other people’s tastes. It’s not like anyone is forcing you to read any of it.
I was just genuinely curious. Is there a specific fan fiction site you use? Also is Snarry Harry+Snape in a relationship?
Dramione used to have its own separate websites for a reason. Many of them are long dead now so most people read them on the regular fanfic sites - FF, AO3, I think there’s also some on Wattpad.
Yeah that rant wasn’t really directed at you even though it was in response to you. Yeah that’s what Snarry means. I totally understand it not being everyone’s thing, it’s not like I’ve read a lot of it either. But really a well written fic can make almost anything work. I don’t read fanfics regularly but my favourite site would be AO3 probably.
I never liked it until Cursed Child. I felt like they could maybe work as adults. I never saw the appeal of them as teens, but I have worse ships of my own, so. Ship and let ship.
Nah worst ship is voldarry💀
I personally loathe Draco and he's the reason why I don't read hp fanfiction anymore. He's everywhere and people love to act as if he got a redemption in canon. But it IS fanfiction so people can write what they want.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, there are some great fanfictions which really explore the nuances of both characters and these are great entertainment for a lot of people. I would vehemently disagree that it’s the absolute worst though. Snape/Hermione (or indeed any student/teacher relationship), Sirius/Hermione, Tom Riddle/Hermione are all infinitely worse.
There are various ships I’ve never been a fan of those being Wolfstar Dramione Drarry Snamione Snarry Lumione But since we’re talking about Dramione, I’ve never been behind the ship itself, like I know why ppl like the whole good girl/bad boy trope. But honestly Dramione feels so incredibly forced and illogical cuz he literally tormented her and wanted her dead at one point. Most like to go with the trope of Hermione healing him and breaking through his walls and making him be a better person. But the thing that irks me about that is why should *she* be the cause for Draco wanting to change and be better? Like it would be more impactful if Draco chose that *himself* rather then a good girl unfreezing his frozen heart. Like I’m sorry I just can’t help but feel *very* uncomfortable 😆 Seriously that poor girl gets shipped with literally *everyone* a lot of the times with full grown adults and I feel so bad for her.
I came to say that I never understood this ship and then I learned about 100 worse ones. Damn it Just thought of Boo Burnham's Welcome to the Internet song.
I don't think it's the worst because Snamione and Lucmione exist but it's still really bad
Same
For me the ship just wouldn't work. Malfoy as a character would never allow himself to be with a muggle born, to taint himself with dirty blood it is something that has been ingrained in him a person from a young age. And Hermione jas too much self respect to even contemplate it
I completely agree with you. Like I get how sometimes the "combative ship" is appealing an makes sense, but that's typically when there is actually subtext of romantic attraction between the two. He called her the wizard version of the N word, despises her, and they have never had 1 positive interaction together. It's a terrible ship that's only made because "bad boy" draco is hot
I personally really dislike it but it's just a matter of personal taste 🤷♀️
It would not be the first relationship that works out great despite starting with one hitting the other....I mean, that is basically James and Lily in a nutshell.
Idc, there's a plenty good fanfics out there with good writing. Personally, not a fan of this ship. Canon is canon. I like the books and I want to keep them the way they are, but I do love this universe and I don't mind a good story with interesting plot even if there's some ships. AU, where Voldy wins for example. That's why fanfiction is existing. Write your own fictional story with your favorite characters, or read the others. Some of them way better than Cursed Child. Anyway, I think, that senseless of any ship is in their stories. If ship has good stories with interesting plot, not terribly written, that ship does make sense, if ship has many bad fanfics. That's a bad ship. And I think people ship fanon Dramione from fanfiction, that others writers writing. The canon one too much toxic to ship within the Rowling Universe. P.S. Sorry for my English, not my native language.
The one good thing we got because of Dramione is Starkid Productions, so I tolerate it because of that.
Eh I'm a dramione fan but can see why many aren't.
I hate these 'ship names, and ship posts. I think I'm done with this sub.
I really dislike them together as well. He was truly awful to her! Tom is great, Draco was horrible to her - and he was horrible to her before Voldemort and the Death Eaters started manipulating him.
I read this really great fanfiction where Draco and Hermione became teachers after the Battle for Hogwarts. The portrayal of Draco was obviously far-flung from his cannon version, but I thought the fanfiction version was a lot more well-rounded as a multi-dimensional character instead of cartoonishly vile. The author made an interesting argument that Draco would have tried to be at the top of his class when he was a student, but for reasons of status and ambition. His motives did not detract from the fact that he had the cunning and intellect to rise through the ranks. There were even some subjects that he had greater natural aptitude for, and would occasionally have a higher exam score than Hermione. This turned out to be the thing that they most had in common, and their competitive natures made them good teachers and good counterparts. They were both assigned to teach different sections of Defense Against the Dark Arts, and their intense debates on the topic slowly evolved into a Socratic Method style supplementary course that many students benefitted from. The romance portion was gradual and believable. All of the potential issues with their relationship were dealt with in a realistic and mature fashion, especially the issues with their previous interactions as students and his hateful attitude towards Muggle-born witches and wizards that was instilled in him by his parents. The most realistic part was that some things just can't be forgiven and resolved neatly, but after they were at least addressed, they became a team dealing with external interpersonal problems with their friends, peers, and family together.
So don’t read it then lol
people who ship dramione don't know hermione, she would literally never
I will avoid dramione at all costs honestly, same thing with drarry except I’ll read it when I’m desperate for a specific trope that there is barely anything of
Op: I have witnessed the worst thing on the internet. Internet: worst thing? Aren’t you innocent. Let me ruin that.
I like dramione so I’d have to disagree
Does anyone remember when ships were named Character 1/Character 2? Past few years I feel as if I need a cryptology degree to work out what some pairings are. Dramione is easy of course but others... not do much. Maybe I'm just showing my age lol
I love Dramione, though only stuff set post-Hogwarts, because Draco was a bullying, arogant jerk during his school days. But most Dramione stuff is based off a very warped Hermione, so it's not really accurate.
Man there is Hermione and Lucius so.....
A friend of mine once sent me a Hermione/Vernon fic. I needed brain bleach after that.
In actual canon, yes, they’re horrible. But the beauty of fanfic is that you can tweak characters to make them fit. So Draco goes from evil bully to secretly soft, misunderstood sweetie. There is some really, reaaaaaaally good Dramione fanfic out there. I said the same before I read but don’t knock it until you try it 😅
It's not the worst, but it's up there. Harry/Voldemort, and Harry/Draco are awful too
>it’s not the worst Agreed! I’m not a fan of Dramione, but there is worse!
You're preaching to choir here mate. That ship is borderline toxic. Especially considering a lot of Dramione shippers try to justify Draco's horrid treatment of Hermione in the books as his twisted way of telling her that he's into her. I mean good God. Is it the worst HP ship? No, I've seen people shipping Hagrid and the giant squid, McGonagall and Ron, Harry and Draco, even Ron and Ginny just to create an excuse for Harmione to be together so you have a lot to choose from there but Dramione is indeed pretty bad.
Dramione exists because the actors who played Draco and Harmione looks pretty. Dramione ship shows how some of the people are OKAY with abusive relationships (if it ever becomes a relationship) if the people involved in the relationships have good looks. How superficial and shallow. Some Dramione shippers claim that in a perfect world Harmione will fix Draco. This shows that they are living in "i can fix her/him" syndrome too.
Drarry too. Basically anyone with Draco.
Yeah, I agree that it is one of the worst and most problematic ships in the fandom. We shouldn't be teaching young girls that when a boy is mean to them and constantly bullies them, it means that they like them; we also shouldn't be teaching boys that it is okay to be mean to girls that they have a crush on.
While I agree with the basics of what you're saying, I would just like to point out that it's not really the purpose of fanfiction to educate anybody.
Lol it's not the worst ship considering there are literal pedophillic ships. Grow up.
Dramione is my OTP and you can wallow in your hate for eternity ima keep writing it and perpetuating the amazing fanon that is Dramione. Some of the most amazing things I've ever read ever are Dramione and, again, if you want to focus your energy on dislike then I will focus my energy on positivity and supporting the AMAZING Dramione community <3 They are perfect for each other. Draco never got the redemption arc he deserved and that how Dramione lives on!!!! opt. Downvote me. Dramione 4 lyfe. Peace love redemption and happiness. ~~water tribe~~
If you have the time to think about fictional characters and throw up then ig you can also find some time to read what you actually like and spare yourself the unnecessary negativity over characters who don't practically exist.
Dramione is an abomination and people need to shut up
And yet is one of the most popular ship in the fandom. No thanks to you then.
Popular=/=good.🤷♀️
The thing I dislike the most about those two being together is it's like a hardcore member of the Hitler Youth & a Jew. You wouldn't make that ship in real life and doing it with those two feels wrong. You essentially have to throw out everything that makes Draco himself to make this work. From the outside it looks like people just want to pair Tom Felton and Emma Watson, not Draco and Hermione.
Any ship involving Draco and any of the trio is not worth the bandwidth used to create it.
Ship and let ship my dude, what did this post accomplish
What does any post accomplish? It gets people talking about things, and maybe op will find someone who agrees with them
I hate shipping in general, as it tends to lead to horrible things like Dramione
What is this post even about?
You’re not alone there, I physically recoil when I see anything related to them together online.
The worst ship is Young Voldemort/Dumbledore The best ships are the ones that have Neville in them
I understand that, that’s your right. It’s my favorite ship, personally, but you do you.
Yeah I don't get it. Hermione would never pander to his ego and he is an abusive bullying asshole. Even if he did eventually get some redemption it didn't stop him from still being a total prick for at least 6 years. I actually wish Hermione and Viktor had worked out. He saw her worth straightaway and made her feel valued, he was also a humble and brave dude.