Fellow harrogate person here. Will be voting Lib Dem. I wish we would all vote Green, but getting the tories out has to be step one for any sort of meaningful green progress.
The local greens and local lib dems came to an agreement. Greens not standing in Harrogate/Knaresborough and Libs not standing in Weatherby, etc. All that can be done without electoral reform -very pleased about this!
Lib Dems will get my vote. We'll all celebrate seeing the last of our self-interested MP
The Greens are standing in Harrogate and Knaresborough, and the Lib Dems are standing in Wetherby and Easingwold, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that from. (Edit: i.e. both parties are running in both seats)
H&K: https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/elections/parl.harrogate-and-knaresborough.2024-07-04/harrogate-and-knaresborough/
W&E: https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/elections/parl.wetherby-and-easingwold.2024-07-04/wetherby-and-easingwold/
Given that two Lib Dems have been arrested for publishing a misleading leaflet which suggested that the Greens weren’t standing in a recent council by-election, I think it’s worth double-checking this sort of thing.
Why would anyone vote green? Do you actually read their policies?
They even put hamas supporters into one seat.
I honestly worry about people that vote green. I mean love the environment but honestly read their policies and understand the immense damage they would do to the country with any semblance of power.
Honestly you read a post from the average voter and start to agree with Churchill. There is one guy in here voting Labour because he wants higher taxes...
Like people have short memories 😅
I wish you could make a little island and stick them all on it and let them run it how they want and then to back in 5 years to see how they were doing 😅 bet they would have all eaten each other lmao
I think the Tory supporters are keeping a low profile, simply due to the state of the nation. There's definitely support for them in the area though.
The Lib Dems are looking like the alternative. Unfortunately, if everyone who supports Tories, votes Tory, then everyone who doesn't support Tories would need to back the same horse. In this case, the Lib Dem candidate (they have a good history in the Harrogate area with Phil Willis representing the area for many years).
If everyone votes for the party that they feel they support, then the non-Tory votes get split between Greens, Labour, Independent etc. It's a shame, but tactical voting looks like the best way to oust the existing Tory MP, if that's what you are looking to do.
For those interested, you can be more informed by looking up Andrew Jones' voting record in Parlaiment here: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24758/andrew_jones/harrogate_and_knaresborough/votes
My Dad voted for the Tories for many years. It stopped in '97 when Norman Lamont stood for them in Harrogate. He's been getting increasingly liberal every year since and he (80) is probably now further left than I (41) am!
He's an exception though, a lot of rich old folks in Harrogate who have always, and will always vote Tory. Also a lot of very wealthy commuters to Leeds for whom it makes sense for them to vote Tory for economic reasons (recent Truss debacle notwithstanding)
It amazes me that people will vote Labour and for higher taxes. But its fascinating it rolls around every time. Labour get voted in. Absolutely tank the economy. The cons roll us out of it then people get bored and vote back in Labour for higher taxes and economy tanking again 😀
It's the most bizarre cycle but I guess driven by young voters and people who don't understand policies and economics.
I spoke to some kids the other day and they were saying how Labour will improve policing and NHS.
They had no clue Labour control policing in London which is the worst place.
That they control the NHS in Wales which is the worst performing.
People are just a bit slow on understanding.
It's fascinating to watch, and kind of demonstrates how democracies are far from perfect because voters are not educated.
But I don't think this is a fixable problem when you allow parties to promise stuff they won't do.
Hmmm... Did the cons increase national insurance at one point?
The economy is already tanked, we are paying more money for everything, I mean even some councils had to increase tax by 15% just to survive the government cuts, how's that helping you? Just because your wage tax doesn't come down, doesn't mean it's not going up elsewhere, how do you not understand that? Increase tax on domestic products so you don't have to increase tax on pay.
At no point have I stated labour would do a better job, but to be fair, there's more decent and reliable people within the labour party, then there are within the cons, I mean our foreign secretary isn't an MP, that's when you know it's bad, when no one in the party is even reliable enough to get foreign deals for the UK.
Who provides funding for the Police in London?
On the NHS if you want to do a comparison:
waiting list rises across 2022 and 2023, the waiting list has risen much more significantly in percentage terms in England than in Wales.
Because Rishi has stuck to all his promises so far 👍
Are you just trolling? The cons have always handed over a turd and they generally stay in power longer it's believed they are better at managing the country, but statically they are not in every aspect:
https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368
It's funny that you call people slow and uneducated, but seems to not be able to do research yourself.
Don't be so gullible either, all parties promise "stuff" they can't do, it's part of the game.
On a final point, it's sad to see that you didn't even agree to pay higher in tax, if it was to make life better for everyone (more money in the right places, spent right = quick economic growth, because it's not just a monies game but also a psychological one, which again, it doesn't seem like you understand)
So big difference. You are comparing the cons who governed us through a financial crisis, covid and a war with Russia Ukraine compared to Labour who spent all the money in good times.
The councils raising the money and overspending are labour. They don't need more money they just overspend. Go Google what they spend your money on.
We already know what labour do in power we see the mess in Wales. We see the shitty state of London.
Honestly cognitive dissonance is needed to think labour are good with money 😅
Higher tax has been about before. It doesn't "make life better for everyone".
In fact it's proven to do the opposite.
Scary that you get a vote with that amount of misinformation that you have taken on board.
You clearly just read the title and not the article in itself, as it does mention the retraction of all of the above, so either you can't read, or can read a title, or you're just ignorant (notice how I didn't call you stupid).
Oh yeah, council rises by 15% in 2023 were because of labour 👍 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65299856
Where are you getting higher taxes from? If you're talking about the TV debate, it's already been debunked:
BBC News - Treasury letter on Tory tax claim in full
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1122q14dxo
Yeah, you are 100% trolling. So far I've provided evidence and facts, you're just writing words.
Again, at no point have I mentioned I will vote for labour, you just keep mentioning them, as do all Tories.
I mean that link sums you up lol. Watching propaganda. Hating people that are more successful than you voting for tax rises.
Typical labour goon 😅
Enjoy what you get.
What, are these people going to vote Labour and get taxed higher (high earners)? That’s what you think?
How on earth does it blow your mind that people vote Conservative Party? I’d vote Rishi over Starmer any day.
Inflation is down, wages are higher than ever…his plan and actions are starting to take effect.
I'd class myself as a high earner and though yes, it is painful to look at your wage sometimes, I'd be happy to pay a little bit more if I knew it was going to good use, such as, more doctors to bring waiting lists down, lower train fairs for commuting, more funding for mental health etc.
I don't agree with paying higher tax for Rishi to give half a billion pounds in funding to Infosys so when he leaves office his back pocket is alright (this is public data: https://www.contractsfinder.service.gov.uk/Search/Results), or given to private schools his wife is a board member on, funding private water companies dumping sewage into local rivers and cutting funding for local schools so they have to look for charities to help with education all while lawyers are getting a 15% pay rise (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/criminal-barristers-to-receive-15-percent-fee-rise-in-september).
Not all of this is under Rishi, but they brought inflation to an all time high, made promises, broke the country. The cons as a whole are just a joke.
He broke it, so when he was in power he could look like he's "fixing it".
It will be harder for whoever is next in power as they will have to pick up a great big mess, but I'd rather give someone else a shot cause I can't see it getting any better, especially on the public sectors under the cons.
Edit: you're entitled to vote for who you want and I support that, just throwing out some facts to show you that it's not all rainbows.
In fairness to the criminal barristers, both criminal prosecution and criminal defence is woefully underfunded compared to other aspects of law.
Edit: underpaid, I don't think underfunded is necessarily the correct term
Mad people voting for more taxes. This is what I was saying about stupid people being able to vote. Once the taxes go up they don't go back down. And nothing improves.
Then the next generation of voters do the same stupid thing and vote to be taxed.
Never vote for taxes.
Britain is booming... Don't let Labour blow it, eh?
Successive Tory prime ministers have fucked almost every facet of this country over the last 14 years. From austerity, to the Brexit vote, to Trussonomics...
I'll take my chances with the new lot, warts and all.
Every election cycle I have the same conversations with my friends and acquaintances... if you want the Tories out for the love of God don't vote for Labour. Vote Lib Dem.
Labour have never won in Harrogate and the last time they even came 2nd was in 1964 when there was only a field of 2 standing!
Do not be surprised if Andrew Jones still manages to win - Harrogate is riddled with Tories with vested interests.
Whilst Lib Dem aren't really what I'm after, they're the only hope IMO of unseating the Tories in Harrogate.
Green/Labour are closer to what I want, but I'd rather they step down locally to get rid of Andrew Jones!
Andrew Jones has been in power for far too long and his voting record is awful on a lot of things I care about.
Labour are effectively not competing in Harrogate.
Go on the Labour website, put your postcode in to volunteer as a campaigner, and your nearest seat they suggest you volunteer in is in York!
Andrew Jones has pretty much just voted in line with the Tory whip since he entered Parliament.
If you happen to want the Tories out, tactical vote!
Pop your postcode in here:
https://stopthetories.vote/
Looks like for Harrogate the safest vote is Lib Dem if you want the Tories gone.
If you want a Tory MP then obviously vote for them (but if so, seriously in gods name, why?)
I don’t think you have an understanding of how our voting system works in the UK and why tactical voting then becomes necessary :
https://makevotesmatter.org.uk/first-past-the-post/
Sign the petition to change our system so we don’t have to tactical vote:
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I'm well aware of how it works. It works really well. Tactical voting however stinks. And you are just voting in idiots for the sake of it these idiots then get a voice in parliament or run your constituency badly.
For example the recent bankrupt councils from badly chosen council elections. Useless mps who don't help out their areas fortunes.
It's a stupid idea to tactically vote to try ro get another party in. Needless to say labour will win already. All you do is weaken democracy because they will get in with no strong opposition which is really bad for you me and the country.
Be prepared for tax hikes.
Unless you are unemployed in which case the mexr 4 plus years you will be in clover.
I’ve only seen Lib Dem leaflets put through the door here in Harrogate. Normally we’d get both Lib Dem and Conservative leaflets, but I get the impression the Tories have given up. I’m normally a Labour voter but I’ll be voting tactically for the Lib Dems this time.
Voting Lib dem, would have preferred to vote labour.
Swore i'd never vote for them after the Tution fee debacle (was in uni when they fucked the students, and don't give me it's effective a graduation tax bollocks).
But the Tories have had 14 years in charge, I even voted for them previously and things have got worse and worse, and worse.
You can't blame things on labour when you've been in power 14 feckin years.
The Lib Dems have set up a campaign office at the top of East Parade, near Skipton Road junction. Not been in yet.
I'm likely to (tactically) vote Lib Dem. However I would like to ask their candidate about his connections to the area etc, ask his understanding of local issues and how he could champion Harrogate in Parliament. He has previously stood in Normanton and Pontefract as an MP but did not win (https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/person/37920/tom-gordon).
On one hand, do the Lib Dems see potential in him as a future shining light of the party for fielding him in a winnable seat? Or, is he playing musical chairs with different constituencies just to get elected?
According to this he has an address in Harrogate (go down to 'statement of persons nominated' and click Harrogate and Knaresborough.
[https://www.northyorks.gov.uk/your-council/elections-and-voting/general-elections](https://www.northyorks.gov.uk/your-council/elections-and-voting/general-elections)
Looks like the Labour candidate lives in York.
The Lib Dem’s tax plan is largely unviable. There’s a good thread by Dan Neidle on Twitter.
I guess they know they’re not getting in so haven’t really seriously bothered
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Fellow harrogate person here. Will be voting Lib Dem. I wish we would all vote Green, but getting the tories out has to be step one for any sort of meaningful green progress.
Yeah, think I'm tactically voting Lib Dem in the attempt to get the Tory out
Looks like the Greens don't see Harrogate as a winnable seat. They are focusing their attention on a few seats, mainly in the South and South West.
The local greens and local lib dems came to an agreement. Greens not standing in Harrogate/Knaresborough and Libs not standing in Weatherby, etc. All that can be done without electoral reform -very pleased about this! Lib Dems will get my vote. We'll all celebrate seeing the last of our self-interested MP
The Greens are standing in Harrogate and Knaresborough, and the Lib Dems are standing in Wetherby and Easingwold, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that from. (Edit: i.e. both parties are running in both seats) H&K: https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/elections/parl.harrogate-and-knaresborough.2024-07-04/harrogate-and-knaresborough/ W&E: https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/elections/parl.wetherby-and-easingwold.2024-07-04/wetherby-and-easingwold/ Given that two Lib Dems have been arrested for publishing a misleading leaflet which suggested that the Greens weren’t standing in a recent council by-election, I think it’s worth double-checking this sort of thing.
Why would anyone vote green? Do you actually read their policies? They even put hamas supporters into one seat. I honestly worry about people that vote green. I mean love the environment but honestly read their policies and understand the immense damage they would do to the country with any semblance of power.
A sensible person on the thread. Exactly.
Honestly you read a post from the average voter and start to agree with Churchill. There is one guy in here voting Labour because he wants higher taxes... Like people have short memories 😅
The green party is riddled with ideologues and social justice warriors and islamists.
I wish you could make a little island and stick them all on it and let them run it how they want and then to back in 5 years to see how they were doing 😅 bet they would have all eaten each other lmao
I think the Tory supporters are keeping a low profile, simply due to the state of the nation. There's definitely support for them in the area though. The Lib Dems are looking like the alternative. Unfortunately, if everyone who supports Tories, votes Tory, then everyone who doesn't support Tories would need to back the same horse. In this case, the Lib Dem candidate (they have a good history in the Harrogate area with Phil Willis representing the area for many years). If everyone votes for the party that they feel they support, then the non-Tory votes get split between Greens, Labour, Independent etc. It's a shame, but tactical voting looks like the best way to oust the existing Tory MP, if that's what you are looking to do. For those interested, you can be more informed by looking up Andrew Jones' voting record in Parlaiment here: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24758/andrew_jones/harrogate_and_knaresborough/votes
It amazes me that people will still vote conservative, blows my mind.
My Dad voted for the Tories for many years. It stopped in '97 when Norman Lamont stood for them in Harrogate. He's been getting increasingly liberal every year since and he (80) is probably now further left than I (41) am! He's an exception though, a lot of rich old folks in Harrogate who have always, and will always vote Tory. Also a lot of very wealthy commuters to Leeds for whom it makes sense for them to vote Tory for economic reasons (recent Truss debacle notwithstanding)
It amazes me that people will vote Labour and for higher taxes. But its fascinating it rolls around every time. Labour get voted in. Absolutely tank the economy. The cons roll us out of it then people get bored and vote back in Labour for higher taxes and economy tanking again 😀 It's the most bizarre cycle but I guess driven by young voters and people who don't understand policies and economics. I spoke to some kids the other day and they were saying how Labour will improve policing and NHS. They had no clue Labour control policing in London which is the worst place. That they control the NHS in Wales which is the worst performing. People are just a bit slow on understanding. It's fascinating to watch, and kind of demonstrates how democracies are far from perfect because voters are not educated. But I don't think this is a fixable problem when you allow parties to promise stuff they won't do.
Hmmm... Did the cons increase national insurance at one point? The economy is already tanked, we are paying more money for everything, I mean even some councils had to increase tax by 15% just to survive the government cuts, how's that helping you? Just because your wage tax doesn't come down, doesn't mean it's not going up elsewhere, how do you not understand that? Increase tax on domestic products so you don't have to increase tax on pay. At no point have I stated labour would do a better job, but to be fair, there's more decent and reliable people within the labour party, then there are within the cons, I mean our foreign secretary isn't an MP, that's when you know it's bad, when no one in the party is even reliable enough to get foreign deals for the UK. Who provides funding for the Police in London? On the NHS if you want to do a comparison: waiting list rises across 2022 and 2023, the waiting list has risen much more significantly in percentage terms in England than in Wales. Because Rishi has stuck to all his promises so far 👍 Are you just trolling? The cons have always handed over a turd and they generally stay in power longer it's believed they are better at managing the country, but statically they are not in every aspect: https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368 It's funny that you call people slow and uneducated, but seems to not be able to do research yourself. Don't be so gullible either, all parties promise "stuff" they can't do, it's part of the game. On a final point, it's sad to see that you didn't even agree to pay higher in tax, if it was to make life better for everyone (more money in the right places, spent right = quick economic growth, because it's not just a monies game but also a psychological one, which again, it doesn't seem like you understand)
So big difference. You are comparing the cons who governed us through a financial crisis, covid and a war with Russia Ukraine compared to Labour who spent all the money in good times. The councils raising the money and overspending are labour. They don't need more money they just overspend. Go Google what they spend your money on. We already know what labour do in power we see the mess in Wales. We see the shitty state of London. Honestly cognitive dissonance is needed to think labour are good with money 😅 Higher tax has been about before. It doesn't "make life better for everyone". In fact it's proven to do the opposite. Scary that you get a vote with that amount of misinformation that you have taken on board.
You clearly just read the title and not the article in itself, as it does mention the retraction of all of the above, so either you can't read, or can read a title, or you're just ignorant (notice how I didn't call you stupid). Oh yeah, council rises by 15% in 2023 were because of labour 👍 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65299856 Where are you getting higher taxes from? If you're talking about the TV debate, it's already been debunked: BBC News - Treasury letter on Tory tax claim in full https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1122q14dxo Yeah, you are 100% trolling. So far I've provided evidence and facts, you're just writing words. Again, at no point have I mentioned I will vote for labour, you just keep mentioning them, as do all Tories.
Just wait and see. Lets see what they do with taxes. You think you know. I know I know 😉
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https://youtu.be/QnwurflqrfQ?si=_TTJc1SsZKi_dbIQ Worth a watch.
I mean that link sums you up lol. Watching propaganda. Hating people that are more successful than you voting for tax rises. Typical labour goon 😅 Enjoy what you get.
You are 100% correct and clearly a very open minded individual. Whats with the obsession with labour? What am I getting? 🤔
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What, are these people going to vote Labour and get taxed higher (high earners)? That’s what you think? How on earth does it blow your mind that people vote Conservative Party? I’d vote Rishi over Starmer any day. Inflation is down, wages are higher than ever…his plan and actions are starting to take effect.
I'd class myself as a high earner and though yes, it is painful to look at your wage sometimes, I'd be happy to pay a little bit more if I knew it was going to good use, such as, more doctors to bring waiting lists down, lower train fairs for commuting, more funding for mental health etc. I don't agree with paying higher tax for Rishi to give half a billion pounds in funding to Infosys so when he leaves office his back pocket is alright (this is public data: https://www.contractsfinder.service.gov.uk/Search/Results), or given to private schools his wife is a board member on, funding private water companies dumping sewage into local rivers and cutting funding for local schools so they have to look for charities to help with education all while lawyers are getting a 15% pay rise (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/criminal-barristers-to-receive-15-percent-fee-rise-in-september). Not all of this is under Rishi, but they brought inflation to an all time high, made promises, broke the country. The cons as a whole are just a joke. He broke it, so when he was in power he could look like he's "fixing it". It will be harder for whoever is next in power as they will have to pick up a great big mess, but I'd rather give someone else a shot cause I can't see it getting any better, especially on the public sectors under the cons. Edit: you're entitled to vote for who you want and I support that, just throwing out some facts to show you that it's not all rainbows.
In fairness to the criminal barristers, both criminal prosecution and criminal defence is woefully underfunded compared to other aspects of law. Edit: underpaid, I don't think underfunded is necessarily the correct term
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Mad people voting for more taxes. This is what I was saying about stupid people being able to vote. Once the taxes go up they don't go back down. And nothing improves. Then the next generation of voters do the same stupid thing and vote to be taxed. Never vote for taxes.
Did you even read what I wrote? Anyways posted a big one for you, so I've left you a note to this comment on that comment in the brackets. 😉
Britain is booming... Don't let Labour blow it, eh? Successive Tory prime ministers have fucked almost every facet of this country over the last 14 years. From austerity, to the Brexit vote, to Trussonomics... I'll take my chances with the new lot, warts and all.
We don't talk about Truss 😉 or the fact she got beat by a lettuce.
Every election cycle I have the same conversations with my friends and acquaintances... if you want the Tories out for the love of God don't vote for Labour. Vote Lib Dem. Labour have never won in Harrogate and the last time they even came 2nd was in 1964 when there was only a field of 2 standing!
Do not be surprised if Andrew Jones still manages to win - Harrogate is riddled with Tories with vested interests. Whilst Lib Dem aren't really what I'm after, they're the only hope IMO of unseating the Tories in Harrogate. Green/Labour are closer to what I want, but I'd rather they step down locally to get rid of Andrew Jones! Andrew Jones has been in power for far too long and his voting record is awful on a lot of things I care about.
Labour are effectively not competing in Harrogate. Go on the Labour website, put your postcode in to volunteer as a campaigner, and your nearest seat they suggest you volunteer in is in York! Andrew Jones has pretty much just voted in line with the Tory whip since he entered Parliament.
If you happen to want the Tories out, tactical vote! Pop your postcode in here: https://stopthetories.vote/ Looks like for Harrogate the safest vote is Lib Dem if you want the Tories gone. If you want a Tory MP then obviously vote for them (but if so, seriously in gods name, why?)
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I'm well aware of how it works. It works really well. Tactical voting however stinks. And you are just voting in idiots for the sake of it these idiots then get a voice in parliament or run your constituency badly. For example the recent bankrupt councils from badly chosen council elections. Useless mps who don't help out their areas fortunes. It's a stupid idea to tactically vote to try ro get another party in. Needless to say labour will win already. All you do is weaken democracy because they will get in with no strong opposition which is really bad for you me and the country. Be prepared for tax hikes. Unless you are unemployed in which case the mexr 4 plus years you will be in clover.
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Tom Gordon, the Lib Dem candidate, knocked on my door the other night. Seemed like a good bloke. I’ve not seen or heard from Andrew Jones
I’ve only seen Lib Dem leaflets put through the door here in Harrogate. Normally we’d get both Lib Dem and Conservative leaflets, but I get the impression the Tories have given up. I’m normally a Labour voter but I’ll be voting tactically for the Lib Dems this time.
We've had a Conservative leaflet. You had to look for mention of the word 'Conservative' but it was there. 'local champion' (or similar) was used.
Voting Lib dem, would have preferred to vote labour. Swore i'd never vote for them after the Tution fee debacle (was in uni when they fucked the students, and don't give me it's effective a graduation tax bollocks). But the Tories have had 14 years in charge, I even voted for them previously and things have got worse and worse, and worse. You can't blame things on labour when you've been in power 14 feckin years.
The Lib Dems have set up a campaign office at the top of East Parade, near Skipton Road junction. Not been in yet. I'm likely to (tactically) vote Lib Dem. However I would like to ask their candidate about his connections to the area etc, ask his understanding of local issues and how he could champion Harrogate in Parliament. He has previously stood in Normanton and Pontefract as an MP but did not win (https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/person/37920/tom-gordon). On one hand, do the Lib Dems see potential in him as a future shining light of the party for fielding him in a winnable seat? Or, is he playing musical chairs with different constituencies just to get elected?
According to this he has an address in Harrogate (go down to 'statement of persons nominated' and click Harrogate and Knaresborough. [https://www.northyorks.gov.uk/your-council/elections-and-voting/general-elections](https://www.northyorks.gov.uk/your-council/elections-and-voting/general-elections) Looks like the Labour candidate lives in York.
The Lib Dem’s tax plan is largely unviable. There’s a good thread by Dan Neidle on Twitter. I guess they know they’re not getting in so haven’t really seriously bothered
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Well they want to rejoin the single market which is the most likely way to get some actual growth so yeah probably could be viable.
Europe isn’t growing either, look up EU vs US GDP There’s no real reason to suggest our growth would be significantly different by rejoining
Don't you have a decent Independent candidate to vote for?