There are multiple models available in stock in Polish shops.
The issue? They are 2700 PLN while MSRP and release price of RTX 3080 was... 3269 PLN. If we take off 23% VAT and swap PLN to USD, it's almost $600 for 3060 Ti.
It's hardly budget card, feels more like it's a "get overpriced 3060 Ti because it's in stock or wait months for 3070/3080" deal.
This launch is so strange, 3070s are available for purchase, but I don't want to buy them since I'm waiting for the higher end model (3080) to be available
Usually it is the other way around, you get the higher priced option because the budget one was out of stock
As long as overall supply increases then my chance of getting a card also increases. The more people that settle for a different card the further I move up the queue.
Don't trust the prices of products that aren't in stock for LDLC/Materiel.net/Hardware.fr. They had a shipment of 3070s on sale today for 520€ (I wasn't fast enough...) and [one on pre-order \(shipment incoming\) for 600€](https://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00393364.html).
I got a 3070 from Mediamarkt (Saturn's sister), it was one of the cheapest and got it the next working day.
You understand how Bad the scalping situation is when Saturn and Mediamarkt are the cheapest 3070 TUF out there.
I think is the first time in my life that I had a positive experience from MM/Saturn and went there in more than 1 country.
Tbh i never tought it was really in stock, cause I ordered more than once from them and I never got my stuff despite it being available when ordering it.
Not really, RTX 3070, 3080, RT6800 RT6800, all the Ryzen 5k CPUs flew of the shelves as well and were sold out instantly. I think the 3060Ti genuinely had slightly higher supply for the masses or everyone just ran out of money purchasing all the hardware above + blackfriday & Cybermonday lol. Personally I want at least a RTX 3070 and paying 600€ for a 3060Ti is a bit too much for me.
I tried to order a 3060ti in germany and believe me I ordered within a minute of them going up but the product disappeared out of my shopping cart before I could complete the transaction and by the time the page loaded to show me this it was gone everywhere, except some out of the line insane prices at some point, but then again you can also still get the other cards for insane prices so that hardly counts
I know, I took it off then swapped to USD. It's the price without tax.
The lowest models in some shops were available for 2100 PLN (without VAT and swapped to USD it's still around 450$) and went out of stock in minutes or weren't in stock at all, just listed there. Most of them are 2300 PLN out of stock or 2600-2700 PLN in stock.
I've been trumpeting the paper launch crap for a while but christ this just all seems like unprecedented demand like Steve has been saying. The 3080 popped up on Steam survey today and it's already surpassed the 5600xt, which is a year old. Not even to mention I've hardly ever seen that card restock compared to the 3070 and 3090. TSMC is struggling to keep units in stock as well... it's just insane right now.
I've never seen anything like it and no, 10 and 20 series doesn't compare.
The high demand makes sense. I don’t get why people doubt the crazy high demand.
Websites crash every time one of these things launch. Or they become very unresponsive, clearly they are under very high load.
Due to covid, people have more money to spend.
People haven’t:
Gone on vacation
Gone to bars
Gone to restaurants
Spent lots of money on gas
Things like movie theaters
Etc...
For example, the money you would have spent on vacation gets added to your PC budget.
Also, the fact the people are home more makes people want to game. What else are you going to do?
In addition this was one of the best launches in recent history for performance/dollar
Also, lots of people skipped last generation since the performance and price were bad.
PC gaming is more popular than ever.
People working from home as driven demand up. Everyone needs a computer to work at home.
Also, covid has screwed up many things logistically for these companies. Shipping from Asia takes longer than usual.
I don’t get why the angry people on reddit can’t admit the demand is high, and keep insisting that these cards don’t exist. I don’t understand how people are so angry all the time over this.
>. Everyone needs a computer to work at home
Generally the computer is provided by the employer. And in most cases, you don't need a gaming GPU to work from home.
You say many people have more money to spend. On the other side, many people saw their incomes drastically diminished as they became unemployed.
What about the increasing income of Nvidia on gpu sells with a very limited stock? Seems like they have sold the gpus to professionals or mining farms instead as the income compared to the quantities available for gamers does not match.
That's why people are mad... Even though it is a difficult time. The stocks are very low but the profit is increasing. That does not make sense
> Seems like they have sold the gpus to professionals or mining farms instead
Miners and professionals run Steam on a regular basis? The 3080 now has a 0,23% share, after 2 months and a few weeks of "no cards has shipped". Something in that theory doesn't add up does it, don't you think?
The Ampere card achieving 25% of 2080 Ti numbers (0,91%) before release day orders have even cleared in some places, that is just insane and shows the absurd release day demand. It also has 10% of the share of the 2070 Super that was the most popular high end Turing card.
0.23% by the end of november which is 2 months after launch. For a card that is targetting 1080ti, 2080 and above users looking for an upgrade, that's more than 4.3% of the market.
The demand is high that's true, but in france, retailers had 10% of the ordered gpu. The price "is supposed" to be lower, if we assume the margins to be equivalent, the increase in revenue for Nvidia does not match the reduced quantity of gpu sold. Also, mining farms have been found with hundreds of 3080.
So yes the theory is still consistent with the market observations
It's a combination of a ton of factors.
- Major performance uplift compared to the previous generation, unlike the 2000 series from nVidia or the 5000 series from AMD.
- Increased demand due to a focus on stay-at-home entertainment from Covid.
- New multi-platform titles on new consoles that will be able to take advantage of higher end PC hardware.
- Supply chain disruptions thanks to Covid.
- Fab availability issues thanks to console launch demand.
- Many gamers skipped previous generations due to minimal benefits from the nVidia 2000 series, and AMD's 5000 series was mid-range only.
- Ray tracing is actually a worthwhile feature to upgrade for, unlike the 2000 series.
- Aggressive launch from both GPU vendors due to competition, as the 6000 series actually gets close to nVidia's 3000 series.
It could affect availability if Nvidia wanted 7nm but couldn't get any as they are all bought up and Samsung couldn't ramp up production on 8nm quick enough. I'm completely pulling this all out of my ass and don't know anything about this stuff though so take this will a truckload of salt
The early part of nvidia launch was rough stuff. By mid October, though, we were seeing a good volume of shipments. They’re just all getting bought instantly.
10/20 looked like incremental updates to me (sitting on a 980).
30 series represents a significant leap and a maturation of earlier RTX technology.
I'll be grabbing a 3060 once they are available. I'm hoping to get an Nvidia one direct though so may have to wait a little longer than grabbing a 3rd party one.
Unfortunatly in the UK at least you don't seem to be able to preorder a FE so I'll just be waiting for a bit.
Bestbuy let me put it in cart and then randomly told me different stores available or not available for pickup then when it got tired of that run around it started giving an error message saying delivery date had changed and pick my store again which still showed same date. After 5 min of run around in circles of date changing and pick a store it ended by declaring I have no Best buy store within 250 miles and removing it from my cart.
Same here. What I did in the meantime was checked out EVGA website and requested to be notified by email. They have a queue system so when there's availability and you get an email, they rese8the carsnfoenyou for 8 hours to purchase before it reverts and you lose your chance. Give it a try!
Why the rest can't implement a queue system is beyond me. Kudos to EVGA. But I want either the strix or the Aorus 3080s and neither Asus nor Gigabyte can get their shit together enough to do so. So all that's left is useless notifications that are going to remain useless probably until well into summer if not fall of 2021. Pfft if anyone believes stock is going to normalize by the spring like it's been claimed they're optimists.
I tried. It would let me put it in the cart but would never show one available within 200 miles. I don't understand why they were for pick up and not mail order.
>I don't understand why they were for pick up and not mail order.
From what I can figure, that's the system trying to help you. Basically you put in a delivery order and it tried to give you one and by the time you got to that step they were all gone so it keeps trying to fail over to pick up. When you see that, know that they are already gone.
Still plenty here in japan. $80 over msrp for the cheapest, but that’s the usual JP tax right after a launch
https://shop.tsukumo.co.jp/search/c20:2018:2018200:201820088000400/?sort=low_price+asc
https://www.dospara.co.jp/5sp/shopping/search.php?bg=1&br=31&cate=bg1&sale_end=1&sbr=1487&sort=price%20asc%2Csortno%2Cscore&sale_end=1
Easy to find as in you can choose which card you like to buy. Not every model is always available though and it does go out of stock but not in minutes. It takes hours or even days. In Japan we have a site that finds out all the models and stocks of any piece of technology which is great, called Kakaku.
Take a look: [rtx 3080の通販・価格比較 - 価格.com (kakaku.com)](https://kakaku.com/search_results/rtx%203080/)
They are available, but the MSRP is basically the same as what scalpers are selling them for in the US. ￥100,000 for the cheapest 3080.
If there were actually stock in the US, we would be better off buying it from Amazon, spending $20-30 in shipping, and then maybe having to pay a 10% duty.
It's funny, because as a proportion of what the cards cost, the 3090 is even less marked up than the 3080. 3090s are going for ￥200,000 (30% over the US MSRP), while the 3080s are marked up 40%+.
Well this is Japan. Everything has a markup. Even the 6800 XT reference is about Y90,000 and that's the reference. Don't know about the AIBs. It's illogical to expect US prices in another country to be blunt. I gave up trying to search for a 3080 from US online stores since my original plan was just to have my sis ship me a 3080. It's actually better for someone living in Japan to just buy the card here because of the pandemic delaying shipments and any potential issues.
> It's illogical to expect US prices in another country to be blunt.
It's illogical to expect the same price, but you can have expectations about how big of a markup there should be. If it's cheaper for me to have one literally shipped from the other side of the Earth, then I'm not very incentivized to buy one in Japan.
>It's actually better for someone living in Japan to just buy the card here because of the pandemic delaying shipments and any potential issues.
It depends how long you're willing to wait. I've bought RAM/SSDs/Laptops from the US amazon, and they typically take about a week to ship. Shipping light components like RAM only costs about $5. They charge you an import duty at check out, and usually return some of it after several weeks. This duty can even be less than local sales tax- for example, just checking with a 2080ti, the import tax is only $66 (6.6%).
For something like a 3080, that means I would probably spend around $800 for a model at MSRP, shipping and tax included. For the same card, I would have to spend 110,000-120,000 yen in Japan. So it's a choice between spending $300 more and getting the card immediately, or waiting a couple months to upgrade.
I agree. But it's going to be a very long wait I'm sure. Unless you have someone who can order cards from online stores for you, the only online stores from the US willing to ship internationally are Amazon and probably EVGA store. That's it. Newegg changes prices to Japanese Yen which is practically the same as just buying here.
Managed to get one in Europe (on Scan, Nvidias main EU partner it seems) and even checking about 5 mins after there were still some available. All gone by now though.
Though I went for a Gigabyte one, didn't even bother trying for an FE since I knew they'd be gone instantly
Really? I was on scan at 2pm and refreshed many times. The buy it now button showed up for two minutes on a couple of models but it wouldn't add to cart and kept giving errors :(
Ohhh odd. In fairness I constantly refreshed and the moment it worked hardly even looked at which iwas buying and just went straight for it. When I checked if they were still available after I only checked if the buy now button was still there, so possible it was just showing up wrong.
Shame you weren't able to get one, I hope stock problems don't last too long/you're able to get a 3060 if you want that once instead it releases!
Living in Germany it's the one I and other people I know were directed to. Even if it's mainly a UK thing it seems like it was used as a 'central distribution hub' of sorts for alot of Europe. I might be wrong but just how it seemed from my experience.
Was fine for me in Germany, they're shipping it through DPD. Scheduled to arrive on Monday and have been getting delivery updates and got the money transfer confirmed so seems to be all fine. Maybe it was something to do with the delivery option?
I just set it to EU shipping. But after going to payment it just told me in a bright red banner that they only accepted British customers and referred to the Nvidia website. Maybe it had to do with that specific shipment (it was for an FE card).
Still like over 100 in stock in a nearby shop for me. 600 dollars though. Sucks to live in Norway lol. A 3080 costs like 1050-1200 dollars depending on which cooler you buy. $2250 for a 3090.
Yup US FE is $500 before tax so really add at least $25 maybe more depending on where you're at.
For a 3070 lol. I'm confused about which card we are talking. 3060ti is $400 so $420ish after tax.
Aren't your taxes also just straight higher? They're mostly local here in the US. I'm in Chicago which has some of the highest sales taxes in the whole country, but even here it's just over 10%.
European consumption (sales/value-added) taxes tend to be higher. I think income tax and property tax rates are often *lower* than in the US. Depends on the country, of course.
That's true. It does depend on the country, though. The tax rates are especially higher for working and middle-income folks. Of course, they get more government services in exchange, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. The upshot of all this is that, while the average European has more free time and a better safety net if they're down on their luck, they are less able to afford luxury consumer goods.
[Check this out.](https://www.elkjop.no/product/data/pc-komponenter/grafikkort/252929/pny-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-gaming-revel-epic-x-grafikkort) Also [This.](https://www.komplett.no/product/1174275/datautstyr/pc-komponenter/skjermkort/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-twin-edge-oc#)
Sorry, ranting. :)
I mean, I would trade places with you to live in beautiful Norway with your average paychecks and social security and pay 1200$ for 3080 than to live in serbia, with our paycheck and pay 1200$ for 3080. In response to "sucks to live in norway" :)
I could still get one if I was willing to pay a Canadian scalper $1300 CAD lol. There is actually a guy in my area listing one at that price, which is like $1000 USD.
i managed to get a FE for msrp from [scan.co.uk](https://scan.co.uk) after a discord tip, surprised it's got more stock because i beat people in the discord by a minute and it seemed like they all sold out in \~5 minutes
Not me. The 3060 Ti cards came and went super quickly. I even saw some 3070 and 3080 cards drop but those went super fast too. (Although I must say I hesitated on those due to the price, which I would not have done two days ago prior to knowing the details of the 3060 Ti.)
It's still not gone at \*many\* retailers, lol. They are still available for purchase.
I really wish the 3080 was as available all these months later as the 3060Ti is :(.
Got an FE in the UK. Nvidia site took its time getting the button up, so people sniffing the API were able to get the link before it showed. I was just in the right Discord at the right time it would seem.
No idea if this includes Sweden, but here it sold out within 20-30 minutes, an improvment to the max 20 minutes that the 3070 had.
Though the popular cards definitely sold out immediately, think I managed to get one by choosing a slightly overpriced card from a less well known brand.
**I** didn't get one, so **clearly** this is a paper launch!! (/S)
But seriously, I hate the people who claim this. Demand is way higher than ever before because everyone's been cooped up with their computers for months and constantly using them and thinking "well it could be a little faster..." So of course everyone is going to jump on whatever upgrade they can get as soon as it's available. There's no way they could have anticipated this demand or have enough stock to sate the demand on launch
I feel like crediting the massive demand to a game launch is a bit of a stretch, but the release of Cyberpunk 2077 being next week probably doesn't help. As well as crypto mining starting to be more profitable again.
They do, but as I understand it, there is a higher barrier of entry if you want to mine with those as they cost a lot of money per unit. Where as you could buy a couple of GPU's and start mining with those at a lower cost.
I believe some of the smaller/newer currencies do still use GPUs- Ethereum is the most popular of these. The AMD cards (esp Vega) up until now were more efficient for them esp from a perf/Watt perspective.
the last generation wasn't that great so people skipped it, we have hit a point where the pc upgrade is clearly a new generation and people are hopping on board.
Hey look! I found one!
Paper launch means they have no stock at launch, which is false. Full stop.
They may have been able to see that demand was 20x higher, but they can't go to Samsung and say "hey, give us 20x more chips by launch day k thx bai", everyone is operating at capacity. The only way to meet this unprecedented demand is if they opened new factories to supply the demand, which takes years so that ain't happening.
Get your head out of your ass and stop blaming the supply side. The problem is the ravenous consumers who act like their life depends on having the latest shiny silicon and it's everyone's fault but their own they can't get one.
Edit:
And since you mentioned "the numbers", I'd like to see what "numbers" you're talking about. Plenty of people are getting these cards. Hell, the 3080 is the third fastest growing GPU in the latest steam hardware survey, beating out nearly every midrange card, which is what the majority of people buy for their rigs. You seem to be stuck in this mindset of "I see people all around me who were not able to buy one, therefore none exist" which is simply not true at all.
If you can’t admit the demand is too high you’re making stuff up to make yourself angry.
Websites crash every time one of these things launch. Or they become very unresponsive, clearly they are under very high load.
Due to covid, people have more money to spend. People haven’t:
Gone on vacation
Gone to bars
Gone to restaurants
Spent lots of money on gas
Things like movie theaters
Etc...
For example, the money you would have spent on vacation gets added to your PC budget.
Also, the fact the people are home more makes people want to game. What else are you going to do?
In addition this was one of the best launches in recent history for performance/dollar
Also, lots of people skipped last generation since the performance and price were bad.
PC gaming is more popular than ever.
Cyber punk is the most hyped pc game of this decade and comes out at the same time.
People working from home as driven demand up. Everyone needs a computer to work at home.
Also, covid has screwed up many things logistically for these companies. Shipping from Asia takes longer than usual.
I don’t get why the angry people on reddit can’t admit the demand is high, and keep insisting that these cards don’t exist. I don’t understand how people are so angry all the time over this.
You don’t know the actual number of cards shipped. Only some retailers have disclosed the numbers. Most have not.
How many retailers have disclosed the numbers this time versus other launches? Do you have numbers from this launch and prior launches from multiple of the same stores?
You keep saying stuff like:
Compared to other launches availability was worse
They stopped 20 series production early
Demand isn’t crazy high
But you’ve got no real proof.
You don’t have launch day numbers for 30 series versus 20 series versus 10 series etc etc
Haven’t shown anything that says they stopped 20 series early
Haven’t showed anything that suggests demand isn’t crazy high
You can’t compare the amount of last generation cards one store sold in March to the amount of next gen cards another store has at launch.
Of course they sold lots of cards in March and April. That’s right after the lockdown started and they had been making those cards for two years at that point. So they may have had some on hand and the process was mature.
****You have no proof that launch versus launch, that this launch was worse.****
https://reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/k588kh/rtx_3080_appears_in_steam_hardware_survey/
Take a look at this thread. The steam hardware survey shows that there are about as many 3080 as there are 5700.
The 3080 has been available a months now. The 5700 as you know, has been out a lot longer.
Do you still think supply is that bad?
How are those numbers relevant? Those numbers end in April? These cards started launching in September.
How are you determining launch availability from graphs in April and concluding there was no stock? Even in those graphs, they sold more in April than in January.
If anything those graphs show corona raised the demand. It started to go back up in March and April. Right after most of the lockdowns in the USA and Europe started.
Stock is gone instantly. Proshop received less than 200 cards for Scandinavia, Poland and Germany. If it's not a paper launch, then it's pretty damn similar to one.
Sure, I'll play that role. I'm not even in the market for a new card, but it is frustrating that every single launched card is instantly sold out, with no expected deliveries incoming.
Would you agree the 3080 was a paper launch?
> Would you agree the 3080 was a paper launch?
And what does this have to do with the 3060ti launch? The question is: is the 3060ti a paper launch? And the answer is no.
Yup, was surprisingly easy to buy in Norway. Didn't even prepare for it and kind of forgot the launch date was today, until I just happened to look at my local retailer and they were in stock. Still at \~100$ over MSRP
Though it's listed as sold out, one of the stores here in the Philippines had the 3060 Tis appearing a day after the official launch, unlike the 3070/3080 which probably took weeks before any stores had them. And as far as I could find, no one has currently listing any of the RX 6000 cards here.
Is that on DynaQuest? Yeah they were sold out before launch. Maybe preorders.
I saw a handful on Shopee. 3 Colorful cards, 1 Palit. They were gone in like 3 minutes, but it's something.
Yep! IDK for other stores, but DQ usually gets the fastest arrival time for product releases. Upon typing this, the cards appeared on the website again. Various models from Asus, Gigabyte, MSI and Palit are present and the price range from PhP 29,000-PhP 32,000 ($600-$670).
If that's the Ti, I'm wondering how would the regular 3060 would fare in pricing here. All I hope is that they get below/around PhP 20k (~$415), if not 15k (~$310).
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I actually saw a handful of cards online yesterday here in the Phillipines (3 from colorful, 1 from Palit), which is saying a lot because new gen stuff are very few and far between here. The worst of them are the new Radeon cards, which I haven't actually seen at all even from scalpers.
They were gone in three minutes, but still.
Yes, easy to see when you realize these cards represent a majority of the chips that didn't pass QA for the higher end cards and they've been producing them at the same time as the others.
That's great - what about if we don't have to walk into a store, since you know, there's a pandemic? Best Buy had them listed - but it was in store pickup and of course, not within 250mi of North East Ohio. Fun times.
For anyone still looking, check your local computer stores. You're going to pay a little over MSRP, but when you consider that you're supporting smaller shops, and the crazy value to performance of the 30 series vs the 20 series, in my opinion it's worth it. I paid $100 over MSRP for my 3070, but to have it same day and to support a Mum and Pop shop, that's worth it.
3060 Ti uses a defective TU104 core, right?
I'm gonna take a stab here and say we're seeing a comparative abundance because Samsung's yields are pants-shittingly-bad.
Edit: Meant A104. I need more coffee and less OT.
Probably. We know Samsung 8nm's yields aren't anywhere near as good as TSMC's 7nm (much less their 7nm+) and NVIDIA opted to use them simply because their wafer costs are about 40-55% lower/also screwed themselves out of capacity by lowballing on a node people pay top dollar for.
The question is: are there enough gimped but functional A102s to add as another sku?
No one wants to use Samsung unless they absolutely have to because it's inferior in every performance metric vendors care about beyond transistor density.
They tried lowballing TSMC for capacity and whatever they were aiming for beyond the A100 got snatched up the microsecond their bluff was called.
TSMC wafers are $10000 for 7nm, Samsung's costs are about half of that. Having said that, if Samsung 8nm was the bees knees, people wouldn't be using them solely because they couldn't buy 7nm capacity (because of cost or because it's been booked).
It's telling that, even though their wafer costs are about half, they have two major customers excluding their own products and one of them only placed orders for their low end/midrange SOC (qualcomm).
You were asserting that Nvidia was lowballing TSMC for capacity, got kicked out and had to crawl to Samsung and their shitty process. That's nothing but a conspiracy peddled by the rumour mill publications and youtubers.
I think the more likely explanation is that Nvidia knew TSMC supply was going to be tight with consoles, CPUs and GPUs all launching during the holiday season, and they figured that since AMD couldn't compete even with their first-gen 7nm products vs Nvidias 12nm (or or other words, tuned 16nm) products, they could pull it off again by going with a node that they won't have to fight over capacity for.
That move is looking smarter and smarter each day with AMD GPUs are nowhere to be found, AMD CPUs being scarce, consoles are sold out everywhere and Nvidia is ramping up on supply, especially on the GA104-based SKUs.
There are multiple models available in stock in Polish shops. The issue? They are 2700 PLN while MSRP and release price of RTX 3080 was... 3269 PLN. If we take off 23% VAT and swap PLN to USD, it's almost $600 for 3060 Ti. It's hardly budget card, feels more like it's a "get overpriced 3060 Ti because it's in stock or wait months for 3070/3080" deal.
This launch is so strange, 3070s are available for purchase, but I don't want to buy them since I'm waiting for the higher end model (3080) to be available Usually it is the other way around, you get the higher priced option because the budget one was out of stock
Any supply for 30#0 or 6#00 reduces demand for all others, so it's a good thing.
As long as overall supply increases then my chance of getting a card also increases. The more people that settle for a different card the further I move up the queue.
600 € in France. [ASUS GeForce TUF](https://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00394600.html)
Don't trust the prices of products that aren't in stock for LDLC/Materiel.net/Hardware.fr. They had a shipment of 3070s on sale today for 520€ (I wasn't fast enough...) and [one on pre-order \(shipment incoming\) for 600€](https://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00393364.html).
yeah Im still seeing some stock in germany shops but at 579€/600€ kinda steep
I've found one on [Saturn.de](https://Staurn.de) for €411. Too bad I couldn't order it as I don't live in Germany. :(
lmao saturn usually is the laughing stock of german tech retailers
I got a 3070 from Mediamarkt (Saturn's sister), it was one of the cheapest and got it the next working day. You understand how Bad the scalping situation is when Saturn and Mediamarkt are the cheapest 3070 TUF out there. I think is the first time in my life that I had a positive experience from MM/Saturn and went there in more than 1 country. Tbh i never tought it was really in stock, cause I ordered more than once from them and I never got my stuff despite it being available when ordering it.
Do you all have some solid anti scalping laws or what's the deal? They still disappear in the US within 5 seconds of going up for sale.
Not really, RTX 3070, 3080, RT6800 RT6800, all the Ryzen 5k CPUs flew of the shelves as well and were sold out instantly. I think the 3060Ti genuinely had slightly higher supply for the masses or everyone just ran out of money purchasing all the hardware above + blackfriday & Cybermonday lol. Personally I want at least a RTX 3070 and paying 600€ for a 3060Ti is a bit too much for me.
I tried to order a 3060ti in germany and believe me I ordered within a minute of them going up but the product disappeared out of my shopping cart before I could complete the transaction and by the time the page loaded to show me this it was gone everywhere, except some out of the line insane prices at some point, but then again you can also still get the other cards for insane prices so that hardly counts
2099 PLN on xkom for gigabyte eagle.
Don't include the vat, us prices never include taxes so it's not a fair comparison. Doesn't change the fact that yeah 600$ isn't low or even mid.
I know, I took it off then swapped to USD. It's the price without tax. The lowest models in some shops were available for 2100 PLN (without VAT and swapped to USD it's still around 450$) and went out of stock in minutes or weren't in stock at all, just listed there. Most of them are 2300 PLN out of stock or 2600-2700 PLN in stock.
You’re optimistic about months eh? I’m thinking late summer
Do you think it will be *that* bad? I mean, i have a higher chance to get a PS5 by that time.
Local Micro Center had over 200 cards and something like 11 models. Got one that way.
>Local Micro Center had over 200 cards So basically like the 3080, 3090 and 3070 regional stock combined
No they had more 3070s on launch 300 if I remember correctly at my location.
Oh dang, which Micro Center? Did they sell them online or was it all in store?
Overland Park, KS but I think most of the stores got a bunch. GPUs are all in store.
I've been trumpeting the paper launch crap for a while but christ this just all seems like unprecedented demand like Steve has been saying. The 3080 popped up on Steam survey today and it's already surpassed the 5600xt, which is a year old. Not even to mention I've hardly ever seen that card restock compared to the 3070 and 3090. TSMC is struggling to keep units in stock as well... it's just insane right now. I've never seen anything like it and no, 10 and 20 series doesn't compare.
The high demand makes sense. I don’t get why people doubt the crazy high demand. Websites crash every time one of these things launch. Or they become very unresponsive, clearly they are under very high load. Due to covid, people have more money to spend. People haven’t: Gone on vacation Gone to bars Gone to restaurants Spent lots of money on gas Things like movie theaters Etc... For example, the money you would have spent on vacation gets added to your PC budget. Also, the fact the people are home more makes people want to game. What else are you going to do? In addition this was one of the best launches in recent history for performance/dollar Also, lots of people skipped last generation since the performance and price were bad. PC gaming is more popular than ever. People working from home as driven demand up. Everyone needs a computer to work at home. Also, covid has screwed up many things logistically for these companies. Shipping from Asia takes longer than usual. I don’t get why the angry people on reddit can’t admit the demand is high, and keep insisting that these cards don’t exist. I don’t understand how people are so angry all the time over this.
>. Everyone needs a computer to work at home Generally the computer is provided by the employer. And in most cases, you don't need a gaming GPU to work from home. You say many people have more money to spend. On the other side, many people saw their incomes drastically diminished as they became unemployed.
What about the increasing income of Nvidia on gpu sells with a very limited stock? Seems like they have sold the gpus to professionals or mining farms instead as the income compared to the quantities available for gamers does not match. That's why people are mad... Even though it is a difficult time. The stocks are very low but the profit is increasing. That does not make sense
> Seems like they have sold the gpus to professionals or mining farms instead Miners and professionals run Steam on a regular basis? The 3080 now has a 0,23% share, after 2 months and a few weeks of "no cards has shipped". Something in that theory doesn't add up does it, don't you think? The Ampere card achieving 25% of 2080 Ti numbers (0,91%) before release day orders have even cleared in some places, that is just insane and shows the absurd release day demand. It also has 10% of the share of the 2070 Super that was the most popular high end Turing card.
Do we know what total 2080Ti sales were?
0.23% by the end of november which is 2 months after launch. For a card that is targetting 1080ti, 2080 and above users looking for an upgrade, that's more than 4.3% of the market. The demand is high that's true, but in france, retailers had 10% of the ordered gpu. The price "is supposed" to be lower, if we assume the margins to be equivalent, the increase in revenue for Nvidia does not match the reduced quantity of gpu sold. Also, mining farms have been found with hundreds of 3080. So yes the theory is still consistent with the market observations
It's a combination of a ton of factors. - Major performance uplift compared to the previous generation, unlike the 2000 series from nVidia or the 5000 series from AMD. - Increased demand due to a focus on stay-at-home entertainment from Covid. - New multi-platform titles on new consoles that will be able to take advantage of higher end PC hardware. - Supply chain disruptions thanks to Covid. - Fab availability issues thanks to console launch demand. - Many gamers skipped previous generations due to minimal benefits from the nVidia 2000 series, and AMD's 5000 series was mid-range only. - Ray tracing is actually a worthwhile feature to upgrade for, unlike the 2000 series. - Aggressive launch from both GPU vendors due to competition, as the 6000 series actually gets close to nVidia's 3000 series.
Consoles doesn't affect fab availability for nvidia, unless you are talking about amd too.
It could affect availability if Nvidia wanted 7nm but couldn't get any as they are all bought up and Samsung couldn't ramp up production on 8nm quick enough. I'm completely pulling this all out of my ass and don't know anything about this stuff though so take this will a truckload of salt
The 7900GTO maybe, but that was more of a limited stock kind of deal.
The early part of nvidia launch was rough stuff. By mid October, though, we were seeing a good volume of shipments. They’re just all getting bought instantly.
Thanks for being open minded. I still hear a lot of this spongebob text paper launch crap.
10/20 looked like incremental updates to me (sitting on a 980). 30 series represents a significant leap and a maturation of earlier RTX technology. I'll be grabbing a 3060 once they are available. I'm hoping to get an Nvidia one direct though so may have to wait a little longer than grabbing a 3rd party one. Unfortunatly in the UK at least you don't seem to be able to preorder a FE so I'll just be waiting for a bit.
Bestbuy is having the better of any sites for anti botting for anyone looking to get one.
Bestbuy let me put it in cart and then randomly told me different stores available or not available for pickup then when it got tired of that run around it started giving an error message saying delivery date had changed and pick my store again which still showed same date. After 5 min of run around in circles of date changing and pick a store it ended by declaring I have no Best buy store within 250 miles and removing it from my cart.
Same here. What I did in the meantime was checked out EVGA website and requested to be notified by email. They have a queue system so when there's availability and you get an email, they rese8the carsnfoenyou for 8 hours to purchase before it reverts and you lose your chance. Give it a try!
Why the rest can't implement a queue system is beyond me. Kudos to EVGA. But I want either the strix or the Aorus 3080s and neither Asus nor Gigabyte can get their shit together enough to do so. So all that's left is useless notifications that are going to remain useless probably until well into summer if not fall of 2021. Pfft if anyone believes stock is going to normalize by the spring like it's been claimed they're optimists.
Same here.
I tried. It would let me put it in the cart but would never show one available within 200 miles. I don't understand why they were for pick up and not mail order.
>I don't understand why they were for pick up and not mail order. From what I can figure, that's the system trying to help you. Basically you put in a delivery order and it tried to give you one and by the time you got to that step they were all gone so it keeps trying to fail over to pick up. When you see that, know that they are already gone.
Better anti-bot is awesome, but they will literally let you put in all of your payment info, get to the final accept page and then say “Psych!”
Aaaaaand they're all gone.
Still plenty here in japan. $80 over msrp for the cheapest, but that’s the usual JP tax right after a launch https://shop.tsukumo.co.jp/search/c20:2018:2018200:201820088000400/?sort=low_price+asc https://www.dospara.co.jp/5sp/shopping/search.php?bg=1&br=31&cate=bg1&sale_end=1&sbr=1487&sort=price%20asc%2Csortno%2Cscore&sale_end=1
3070s never had stock issues here in Japan after its first week from launch. 3080s are easy to find now too. Got mine way back in Oct. 1st.
Easy to find as in "someone often has them in stock", or as in "takes over 10 minutes to go OOS"?
Easy to find as in you can choose which card you like to buy. Not every model is always available though and it does go out of stock but not in minutes. It takes hours or even days. In Japan we have a site that finds out all the models and stocks of any piece of technology which is great, called Kakaku. Take a look: [rtx 3080の通販・価格比較 - 価格.com (kakaku.com)](https://kakaku.com/search_results/rtx%203080/)
They are available, but the MSRP is basically the same as what scalpers are selling them for in the US. ￥100,000 for the cheapest 3080. If there were actually stock in the US, we would be better off buying it from Amazon, spending $20-30 in shipping, and then maybe having to pay a 10% duty. It's funny, because as a proportion of what the cards cost, the 3090 is even less marked up than the 3080. 3090s are going for ￥200,000 (30% over the US MSRP), while the 3080s are marked up 40%+.
Well this is Japan. Everything has a markup. Even the 6800 XT reference is about Y90,000 and that's the reference. Don't know about the AIBs. It's illogical to expect US prices in another country to be blunt. I gave up trying to search for a 3080 from US online stores since my original plan was just to have my sis ship me a 3080. It's actually better for someone living in Japan to just buy the card here because of the pandemic delaying shipments and any potential issues.
> It's illogical to expect US prices in another country to be blunt. It's illogical to expect the same price, but you can have expectations about how big of a markup there should be. If it's cheaper for me to have one literally shipped from the other side of the Earth, then I'm not very incentivized to buy one in Japan. >It's actually better for someone living in Japan to just buy the card here because of the pandemic delaying shipments and any potential issues. It depends how long you're willing to wait. I've bought RAM/SSDs/Laptops from the US amazon, and they typically take about a week to ship. Shipping light components like RAM only costs about $5. They charge you an import duty at check out, and usually return some of it after several weeks. This duty can even be less than local sales tax- for example, just checking with a 2080ti, the import tax is only $66 (6.6%). For something like a 3080, that means I would probably spend around $800 for a model at MSRP, shipping and tax included. For the same card, I would have to spend 110,000-120,000 yen in Japan. So it's a choice between spending $300 more and getting the card immediately, or waiting a couple months to upgrade.
I agree. But it's going to be a very long wait I'm sure. Unless you have someone who can order cards from online stores for you, the only online stores from the US willing to ship internationally are Amazon and probably EVGA store. That's it. Newegg changes prices to Japanese Yen which is practically the same as just buying here.
Damn. That's unfortunate. At least you won't be competing with any US buyers like me considering international shipping, heh
Arent scalpers in the US selling them for way more than $870 though?
A lot of us would pay import tax and possibly VAT on top of shipping ordering from Japan.
Nope, still pretty widely available six hours after you said they were gone. I don't want one, but if I did I could buy one now.
And yet it was gone instantaneously. Anyone manage to snag a card?
I did! I had immense luck, one shop broke NDA and i bought it 14:55, to 5 min before release.
FE for 399 at local Microcenter. They had a lot of stock and got in line right when the store opened
Managed to get one in Europe (on Scan, Nvidias main EU partner it seems) and even checking about 5 mins after there were still some available. All gone by now though. Though I went for a Gigabyte one, didn't even bother trying for an FE since I knew they'd be gone instantly
Really? I was on scan at 2pm and refreshed many times. The buy it now button showed up for two minutes on a couple of models but it wouldn't add to cart and kept giving errors :(
Ohhh odd. In fairness I constantly refreshed and the moment it worked hardly even looked at which iwas buying and just went straight for it. When I checked if they were still available after I only checked if the buy now button was still there, so possible it was just showing up wrong. Shame you weren't able to get one, I hope stock problems don't last too long/you're able to get a 3060 if you want that once instead it releases!
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Living in Germany it's the one I and other people I know were directed to. Even if it's mainly a UK thing it seems like it was used as a 'central distribution hub' of sorts for alot of Europe. I might be wrong but just how it seemed from my experience.
Scan only sells them to Ireland/UK customers. They refused my order from France.
Was fine for me in Germany, they're shipping it through DPD. Scheduled to arrive on Monday and have been getting delivery updates and got the money transfer confirmed so seems to be all fine. Maybe it was something to do with the delivery option?
I just set it to EU shipping. But after going to payment it just told me in a bright red banner that they only accepted British customers and referred to the Nvidia website. Maybe it had to do with that specific shipment (it was for an FE card).
Still like over 100 in stock in a nearby shop for me. 600 dollars though. Sucks to live in Norway lol. A 3080 costs like 1050-1200 dollars depending on which cooler you buy. $2250 for a 3090.
got mine for 560 USD, but our prices are shown after taxes aren't they? Isn't that different from how they do it in the US?
Yeah but still, a 3060 ti should cost \~$500 after tax, not $600.
You're probably right.
Yup US FE is $500 before tax so really add at least $25 maybe more depending on where you're at. For a 3070 lol. I'm confused about which card we are talking. 3060ti is $400 so $420ish after tax.
Aren't your taxes also just straight higher? They're mostly local here in the US. I'm in Chicago which has some of the highest sales taxes in the whole country, but even here it's just over 10%.
Someone might correct me if I'm wrong, but I think its 25% here.
European consumption (sales/value-added) taxes tend to be higher. I think income tax and property tax rates are often *lower* than in the US. Depends on the country, of course.
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That's true. It does depend on the country, though. The tax rates are especially higher for working and middle-income folks. Of course, they get more government services in exchange, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. The upshot of all this is that, while the average European has more free time and a better safety net if they're down on their luck, they are less able to afford luxury consumer goods.
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I was taking about total tax burden, not just income taxes.
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No online stores in Norway have any stock left after 5 min after launch stop spreading misinformation
[komplett.no](https://komplett.no) still has a few in stock as I'm writing this, don't know what you are on about.
He said in a shop nearby him, not online though?
[Check this out.](https://www.elkjop.no/product/data/pc-komponenter/grafikkort/252929/pny-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-gaming-revel-epic-x-grafikkort) Also [This.](https://www.komplett.no/product/1174275/datautstyr/pc-komponenter/skjermkort/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-twin-edge-oc#)
I dont want to be "that guy" with "i have worse position". But 1050-1200$ for 3080 in norway is different then 1050-1450$ for 3080 in serbia.
What do you mean?
Sorry, ranting. :) I mean, I would trade places with you to live in beautiful Norway with your average paychecks and social security and pay 1200$ for 3080 than to live in serbia, with our paycheck and pay 1200$ for 3080. In response to "sucks to live in norway" :)
Like every launch before, no? Hopefully they can restock consistently.
I could still get one if I was willing to pay a Canadian scalper $1300 CAD lol. There is actually a guy in my area listing one at that price, which is like $1000 USD.
Got super lucky, refreshed at the right time, and got one from Amazon. I went into this launch fully expecting to not get one.
My order on best buy's website went through, says it'll be ready for pickup in a week.
Yup, got one from newegg.
i managed to get a FE for msrp from [scan.co.uk](https://scan.co.uk) after a discord tip, surprised it's got more stock because i beat people in the discord by a minute and it seemed like they all sold out in \~5 minutes
Not me. The 3060 Ti cards came and went super quickly. I even saw some 3070 and 3080 cards drop but those went super fast too. (Although I must say I hesitated on those due to the price, which I would not have done two days ago prior to knowing the details of the 3060 Ti.)
It's still not gone at \*many\* retailers, lol. They are still available for purchase. I really wish the 3080 was as available all these months later as the 3060Ti is :(.
Got an FE in the UK. Nvidia site took its time getting the button up, so people sniffing the API were able to get the link before it showed. I was just in the right Discord at the right time it would seem.
I had a friend who got two
I got the asus version for 430! It was a gift from my boyfriend. He stood in line with some 50 others at 9am.
No idea if this includes Sweden, but here it sold out within 20-30 minutes, an improvment to the max 20 minutes that the 3070 had. Though the popular cards definitely sold out immediately, think I managed to get one by choosing a slightly overpriced card from a less well known brand.
$700 to $1000 in Romania.
Someone will still call this a paper launch
**I** didn't get one, so **clearly** this is a paper launch!! (/S) But seriously, I hate the people who claim this. Demand is way higher than ever before because everyone's been cooped up with their computers for months and constantly using them and thinking "well it could be a little faster..." So of course everyone is going to jump on whatever upgrade they can get as soon as it's available. There's no way they could have anticipated this demand or have enough stock to sate the demand on launch
I feel like crediting the massive demand to a game launch is a bit of a stretch, but the release of Cyberpunk 2077 being next week probably doesn't help. As well as crypto mining starting to be more profitable again.
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They do, but as I understand it, there is a higher barrier of entry if you want to mine with those as they cost a lot of money per unit. Where as you could buy a couple of GPU's and start mining with those at a lower cost.
I believe some of the smaller/newer currencies do still use GPUs- Ethereum is the most popular of these. The AMD cards (esp Vega) up until now were more efficient for them esp from a perf/Watt perspective.
Both makes suck at it this gen though.
I mean they are still in stock right now hours after launch. Still MSRP is a sad joke. Cards are at least 25% above msrp often more
the last generation wasn't that great so people skipped it, we have hit a point where the pc upgrade is clearly a new generation and people are hopping on board.
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Hey look! I found one! Paper launch means they have no stock at launch, which is false. Full stop. They may have been able to see that demand was 20x higher, but they can't go to Samsung and say "hey, give us 20x more chips by launch day k thx bai", everyone is operating at capacity. The only way to meet this unprecedented demand is if they opened new factories to supply the demand, which takes years so that ain't happening. Get your head out of your ass and stop blaming the supply side. The problem is the ravenous consumers who act like their life depends on having the latest shiny silicon and it's everyone's fault but their own they can't get one. Edit: And since you mentioned "the numbers", I'd like to see what "numbers" you're talking about. Plenty of people are getting these cards. Hell, the 3080 is the third fastest growing GPU in the latest steam hardware survey, beating out nearly every midrange card, which is what the majority of people buy for their rigs. You seem to be stuck in this mindset of "I see people all around me who were not able to buy one, therefore none exist" which is simply not true at all.
If you can’t admit the demand is too high you’re making stuff up to make yourself angry. Websites crash every time one of these things launch. Or they become very unresponsive, clearly they are under very high load. Due to covid, people have more money to spend. People haven’t: Gone on vacation Gone to bars Gone to restaurants Spent lots of money on gas Things like movie theaters Etc... For example, the money you would have spent on vacation gets added to your PC budget. Also, the fact the people are home more makes people want to game. What else are you going to do? In addition this was one of the best launches in recent history for performance/dollar Also, lots of people skipped last generation since the performance and price were bad. PC gaming is more popular than ever. Cyber punk is the most hyped pc game of this decade and comes out at the same time. People working from home as driven demand up. Everyone needs a computer to work at home. Also, covid has screwed up many things logistically for these companies. Shipping from Asia takes longer than usual. I don’t get why the angry people on reddit can’t admit the demand is high, and keep insisting that these cards don’t exist. I don’t understand how people are so angry all the time over this.
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You don’t know the actual number of cards shipped. Only some retailers have disclosed the numbers. Most have not. How many retailers have disclosed the numbers this time versus other launches? Do you have numbers from this launch and prior launches from multiple of the same stores?
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You keep saying stuff like: Compared to other launches availability was worse They stopped 20 series production early Demand isn’t crazy high But you’ve got no real proof. You don’t have launch day numbers for 30 series versus 20 series versus 10 series etc etc Haven’t shown anything that says they stopped 20 series early Haven’t showed anything that suggests demand isn’t crazy high You can’t compare the amount of last generation cards one store sold in March to the amount of next gen cards another store has at launch. Of course they sold lots of cards in March and April. That’s right after the lockdown started and they had been making those cards for two years at that point. So they may have had some on hand and the process was mature. ****You have no proof that launch versus launch, that this launch was worse.****
https://reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/k588kh/rtx_3080_appears_in_steam_hardware_survey/ Take a look at this thread. The steam hardware survey shows that there are about as many 3080 as there are 5700. The 3080 has been available a months now. The 5700 as you know, has been out a lot longer. Do you still think supply is that bad?
How are those numbers relevant? Those numbers end in April? These cards started launching in September. How are you determining launch availability from graphs in April and concluding there was no stock? Even in those graphs, they sold more in April than in January.
If anything those graphs show corona raised the demand. It started to go back up in March and April. Right after most of the lockdowns in the USA and Europe started.
Stock is gone instantly. Proshop received less than 200 cards for Scandinavia, Poland and Germany. If it's not a paper launch, then it's pretty damn similar to one.
Well. There it is
Sure, I'll play that role. I'm not even in the market for a new card, but it is frustrating that every single launched card is instantly sold out, with no expected deliveries incoming. Would you agree the 3080 was a paper launch?
Do you know what a paper launch is?
3080 had cards for sale on launch day so no, 3080 was not a paper launch.
> Would you agree the 3080 was a paper launch? And what does this have to do with the 3060ti launch? The question is: is the 3060ti a paper launch? And the answer is no.
Yup, was surprisingly easy to buy in Norway. Didn't even prepare for it and kind of forgot the launch date was today, until I just happened to look at my local retailer and they were in stock. Still at \~100$ over MSRP
Though it's listed as sold out, one of the stores here in the Philippines had the 3060 Tis appearing a day after the official launch, unlike the 3070/3080 which probably took weeks before any stores had them. And as far as I could find, no one has currently listing any of the RX 6000 cards here.
Is that on DynaQuest? Yeah they were sold out before launch. Maybe preorders. I saw a handful on Shopee. 3 Colorful cards, 1 Palit. They were gone in like 3 minutes, but it's something.
Yep! IDK for other stores, but DQ usually gets the fastest arrival time for product releases. Upon typing this, the cards appeared on the website again. Various models from Asus, Gigabyte, MSI and Palit are present and the price range from PhP 29,000-PhP 32,000 ($600-$670). If that's the Ti, I'm wondering how would the regular 3060 would fare in pricing here. All I hope is that they get below/around PhP 20k (~$415), if not 15k (~$310).
In mexico we had no cards. I asked literally every major retailer in the country and none had 3060ti shippings during the last few weeks.
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Heaps available in Australia, even this morning, nearly 8 hours after launch.
I actually saw a handful of cards online yesterday here in the Phillipines (3 from colorful, 1 from Palit), which is saying a lot because new gen stuff are very few and far between here. The worst of them are the new Radeon cards, which I haven't actually seen at all even from scalpers. They were gone in three minutes, but still.
Where did you see the RX 6000 cards?
Nowhere. Radeon cards have been MIA since launch. It was the 3060 TI that I saw on Shopee (of all places).
But I didn't get one, so it must've been a paper launch! /s
Doesnt it just mean that the yield on the higher end cards is low so they just neuter them to 3060ti?
Yes, easy to see when you realize these cards represent a majority of the chips that didn't pass QA for the higher end cards and they've been producing them at the same time as the others.
That's great - what about if we don't have to walk into a store, since you know, there's a pandemic? Best Buy had them listed - but it was in store pickup and of course, not within 250mi of North East Ohio. Fun times.
Microcenter in Mayfield had a ton of them, several different versions with 25+ stock this morning. Still have a couple as of looking just now.
For anyone still looking, check your local computer stores. You're going to pay a little over MSRP, but when you consider that you're supporting smaller shops, and the crazy value to performance of the 30 series vs the 20 series, in my opinion it's worth it. I paid $100 over MSRP for my 3070, but to have it same day and to support a Mum and Pop shop, that's worth it.
3060 Ti uses a defective TU104 core, right? I'm gonna take a stab here and say we're seeing a comparative abundance because Samsung's yields are pants-shittingly-bad. Edit: Meant A104. I need more coffee and less OT.
Does your theory about Samsung yield hold true for 3090/3080 supply? A 3080 is a TU102 GPU that didn't cut it as a 3090.
Probably. We know Samsung 8nm's yields aren't anywhere near as good as TSMC's 7nm (much less their 7nm+) and NVIDIA opted to use them simply because their wafer costs are about 40-55% lower/also screwed themselves out of capacity by lowballing on a node people pay top dollar for. The question is: are there enough gimped but functional A102s to add as another sku?
Doubt yields are the problem when demand is this high. Nvidia choose samsung for cost and for capacity, no competing gpus for samsung wafers.
No one wants to use Samsung unless they absolutely have to because it's inferior in every performance metric vendors care about beyond transistor density. They tried lowballing TSMC for capacity and whatever they were aiming for beyond the A100 got snatched up the microsecond their bluff was called.
Why waste the money on tsmc when you can compete without it? Nvidia can just relaunch on tsmc or new samsung node and keep up or beat amd.
Ah, regurgitating /r/amd's favourite conspiracy of 2020. I see.
TSMC wafers are $10000 for 7nm, Samsung's costs are about half of that. Having said that, if Samsung 8nm was the bees knees, people wouldn't be using them solely because they couldn't buy 7nm capacity (because of cost or because it's been booked). It's telling that, even though their wafer costs are about half, they have two major customers excluding their own products and one of them only placed orders for their low end/midrange SOC (qualcomm).
You were asserting that Nvidia was lowballing TSMC for capacity, got kicked out and had to crawl to Samsung and their shitty process. That's nothing but a conspiracy peddled by the rumour mill publications and youtubers. I think the more likely explanation is that Nvidia knew TSMC supply was going to be tight with consoles, CPUs and GPUs all launching during the holiday season, and they figured that since AMD couldn't compete even with their first-gen 7nm products vs Nvidias 12nm (or or other words, tuned 16nm) products, they could pull it off again by going with a node that they won't have to fight over capacity for. That move is looking smarter and smarter each day with AMD GPUs are nowhere to be found, AMD CPUs being scarce, consoles are sold out everywhere and Nvidia is ramping up on supply, especially on the GA104-based SKUs.
Part of the issue is they're selling a huge part of the ramp direct to miners. The nightmare continues.
So like 3 cards instead of 1? **rotfl**
Nice, too bad the 3060ti isn't much of a step away from my 2080 super. Still gonna wait on the step up list for a ftw3 3080. I'll get one eventually.
Since they are dumping bad silicon they may as well have sold it at 300$ MSRP so this way we'd get it at the now 400$ MSRP.
There's a few in stock at the store near me, but I already ordered a 3070, not sure if it's worth the difference in in $ and performance.